speedrunning

[short spire]

no

any% quits out of there

[young sun]

oh okay

thanks

[alpine sapphire]

how come in 106% TE you need NKG?

[hearty adder]

are there any skill pickups that are hard saves other than dive and shade cloak?

[young sun]

i think in 106, its just part of the category rules

just makes things more interesting

[alpine sapphire]

yea

[remote scarab]

when does the timer start and end in king’s pass%?

[fair island]

Start after the third cutscene and ends when you finish kp

[remote scarab]

so it ends when the final door breaks?

[knotty vigil]

how much time does getting nail 1 lose, i dont know how to do 2 uumuu cycle with either so i didnt think it mattered much

[true palm]

we opted into nkg, same thing with p5 and gpz in 112

[true palm]

its a couple minutes, but if you follow the route for it its not the worst

[digital jewel]

vs is a hard save

[true palm]

Nail1 Route

1. Pick up the journal above mantis village before quitting out after mantis claw
2. After Spire Lever Skip, bench at Spire Bench
3. Instead of going to Watcher Knights, head left to leftside city of tears
4. Collect Rafters Seal to the left of Lemm
5. Sell to Lemm
6. Purchase Nail 1 and quit out
7. Defeat Watcher Knights, and collect Lurien
8. Skip Watcher Knights Seal when collecting the chest
9. Proceed as normal

[knotty vigil]

is that for 1221 only?

[true palm]

you can do it in current patch as well, but the spire lever skip is replaced with killing the big Husk Sentry

[knotty vigil]

ah

i hate that thing

[true palm]

it saves less time on current patch usually because it is less helpful for uumuu

on 1221 it makes 2 cycle free, on current patch you'd most likely still get a 3 cycle

if you play at the level needed to 2 cycle with nail 1 on CP Uumuu, you dont need to get nail 1

[knotty vigil]

btw how many vs/nail hits does it take to kill uumuu? i still can only get 5 cycles

i just wanna be able to count the hits

[true palm]

uumuu has 300 hp

vs does 20

nail0 does 5

[knotty vigil]

vs with shamans stone or without?

[true palm]

vs with shamans

at minimum you will want 4 vs hits and 4 nail hits

[knotty vigil]

per cycle???

[true palm]

per cycle

[knotty vigil]

god damn that would be hard

[true palm]

your priority should be getting dreamnails off

in between cycles

[knotty vigil]

i normally get two of them at the start

[true palm]

even if you take damage doing it

[meager current]

I think it's nail, Vs, nail, Vs, nail, nail, Vs, Vs (?)

[true palm]

thats the rotation

but normally its a lot less tight because you should get at least 1 double per rotation

[knotty vigil]

oh

[stuck sage]

are there any visual/audio cues for getting doubles?

[true palm]

instead of a duh, you hear a duh-duh

[meager current]

The Vs hitting an enemy sound plays twice

[knotty vigil]

i normally get my fireballs eaten by the platforms even when im facing away from them

[true palm]

thats standard

vs hitbox goes behind you

its increased by shamans

so walls eat your fireballs that way

walls eat fireballs a lot less without shamans but it still happens

[knotty vigil]

same thing with watcher knight gates

[true palm]

yup happens with every wall in the game

[meager current]

Hungry walls are pain

[true palm]

its because if vs hitbox touches a wall its considered a collision

and that applies to the hitbox behind you

so an automatic collision check succeeds and your fireball stops the second you cast it

thats poor hitbox design

whats worse spell design is abyss shriek

double tapping quick cast on shriek can cause the second one not to go off

but still use your soul

🍝

[ionic cargo]

making a game is hard

but i agree 🍝

[knotty vigil]

thk is so much fun with the speedbuild wth

[true palm]

low% is even more fun

[knotty vigil]

im scared to try low% bc of the fireball thing in queens station

[hearty adder]

what's the low% loadout?

[true palm]

its not as hard as it looks, just use claw grip or russian cheats

[ionic cargo]

just fireball right?

[true palm]

no dash no shamans

because no shamans doubles matter a lot less and are harder to get, and that makes the fight a lot less stressful to optimize

[knotty vigil]

what's thk speedbuild? is it just spore shroom and soul catcher?

[subtle kite]

Congrats Monstah 🙂

[stoic sluice]

yeah great run

[dark blaze]

2nd run after being gone from p2 pog

wouldve been world record if sheo was nice

[frank obsidian]

RIP

[golden bobcat]

What mask shards do you get för 4MS?

[grizzled maple]

grubfather, mawlek, goam, sly

[hearty adder]

Watching runs or reading route notes will probably help you figure out exactly how it works

plus there's a 4ms map in #resources to help further

[desert kiln]

Lol I just forgot the any% nmg route for a second do you get king’s station when you first get there (when you get the seal) or later?

[true palm]

later

[desert kiln]

When?

[true palm]

after watcher knights

[slim geyser]

you shouldn't have enough geo when you get there the first time

[true palm]

^

[desert kiln]

Yeah I had exactly zero

[true palm]

you should kill some husks on the way

[desert kiln]

I forgot to grab it from the husks lol

[true palm]

but not 300

[desert kiln]

500

[slim geyser]

[true palm]

you beat watcher knights sell to lemm, and then go to kings station

[desert kiln]

I think?

[slim geyser]

2322 is the magic number for leaving city of tears in 1221 patch

[desert kiln]

ooooohhhh right, hardest jump in the game

[true palm]

you get 420 from ghusk, 655 geo from chest, 1100 from selling

the rest you get from city husks

[desert kiln]

Right, thank you!

[simple ice]

ayy

[stiff smelt]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/zx6rg1ez

would It be possible to be assigned a role now that my run got verified??

[soft jolt]

Can't I use the same run, same video, for 2 categories at the same time if it fulfills both requirements?

Got a run reject saying it was a duplicate

[stiff delta]

It depends

[soft jolt]

Current patch and any%

[stiff delta]

Thats the same run what lmao

[soft jolt]

Wanted to use my cp on any %

[stiff delta]

current patch any% is a category

[soft jolt]

I know

But there is pure any%

[stiff delta]

if you play on current patch it goes in the current patch category

[soft jolt]

Which you can run cp or not

But it has 2 leader boards... I'm confused

Lol

[stiff delta]

No you run the cp category on cp, you run the not cp category on not cp

[grizzled maple]

the cp category exists for people who literally cannot downpatch for whatever reason or for people who strongly prefer cp

[dark blaze]

monstah grinding pantheons again?

[grizzled maple]

so cp is cp exclusive. the main board is everything else

[soft jolt]

The Else part that I didn't know

I thought I could be on both leaderboards with the Sam cp run

[stiff delta]

Im pretty sure the category rules say something about it

[grizzled maple]

it used to be but not anymore

[soft jolt]

They dont@stiff delta

[grizzled maple]

1221 is only the main board patch because its actually the fastest

it's not technically required, but cp isn't allowed there because it has it's own space now

[soft jolt]

Sad... I recommend adding that to the rules though

Of any %

[grizzled maple]

I don't think it's necessary. The Current Patch NMG subcategory specifies 1432. The main NMG board doesn't need to specify. It's implied.

[stiff delta]

basically every category with a split like that has its own designated board for current patch and not current patch

[slim geyser]

if you know enough about speedrunning to submit a verifyable run to SRC

you probably know enough to find that CP has its own category

[soft jolt]

You people are not understanding what I'm saying, feels like

[stiff delta]

I think its the inverse

I get what you are saying

[soft jolt]

I know how to submit, but I submitted for both leaderboards since my run obeyed both rules

[stiff delta]

Cp runs should be able to be submitted to the main boards

But

There is a board for cp

[soft jolt]

That's why I'm saying it is not "implied".... It should be written on any% rules "all patches but cp"

[stiff delta]

i mean i guess but most people figure it out because its implied

[soft jolt]

Don't fell it is implied, lol

But ok

[slim geyser]

I mean

[soft jolt]

Not my place to argue about it... Just a suggestion to avoid misunderstandings

[slim geyser]

duplicate submissions are weird

100% is technically valid for any% leaderboard

since it is literally "any percentage"

but they wouldn't want a 100% run there

[digital jewel]

by the same logic you could do a 106% nmg run and submit it to like 10 different leaderboards

[stiff delta]

because it belongs in the 100% category

[soft jolt]

@digital jewel yep, and what is the problem with that?

Since you can do any route

[slim geyser]

it doesn't make for a leaderboard of comparable times

it's just disorganized

[stiff delta]

The categories exist to categorize things

[slim geyser]

iri in the name

[soft jolt]

For someone that doesn't have the skill to do the actual route it does... It motivates to be on the leaderboard

And a buncha other games allow this submission of the same run on other categories

[stiff delta]

what

[soft jolt]

But anyway... As I said, just a suggestion

[jagged vault]

there is a difference from doing a beginner or easier route and submitting another category to another leaderboard

[hearty adder]

if you "aren't skilled enough to do the actual route" you can still do another any% route and be on the leaderboards, but you will be at a disadvantage because you won't be playing optimally if you were to submit an any% cp run to the any% board you'd be at a disadvantage because you'd be missing out on the 1221 speed tech

[soft jolt]

@hearty adder yep... And what is the difference in reality? None...

[jagged vault]

there is a big difference

[stiff delta]

they are different boards lmao

[jagged vault]

one is playing on another patch

[hearty adder]

while both routes are very similar, there are differences (and enough people running both patches) that guarantee splitting the board to make competition fair

[jagged vault]

and one is doing an easier route

[soft jolt]

And the ones that are not on 1221?

[stiff delta]

Theres a reason the rekky’s between boards are so different

[soft jolt]

They also don't run on fastest patxh

[jagged vault]

runs that are not on 1221 are still similar in scope and tricks performed

[stiff delta]

So they get their own board

[hearty adder]

Any% nmg is run on 1221 because it has all the speedtech of pre-lifeblood without most of the awful spaghetti of 1.1 or 1.0

[soft jolt]

@stiff delta they don't, that's the point.... Only cp has it

[jagged vault]

if you were to downpatch for NMG categories there is no reason to downpatch any other one

than 1221

[stray kestrel]

there's no demand for other patches

[hearty adder]

cp any% nmg exists because, while not optimal, a lot of people run it anyways, but it's not fair to compare to 1221

[stray kestrel]

in this context

[stiff delta]

im going insane what

[stray kestrel]

there's white palace on 1006 and 1005 exclusively

[jagged vault]

there are not enough NMG runners of other pre current patch categories to warrant separating other patches than 1221 to their own leaderboards

at least for fullgame runs

[digital jewel]

current patch has its own leaderboard for people who can't run older patches, or don't want to. there are current patch categories for a lot of games

and everything that's not current patch goes in the other category

[jagged vault]

for example, we don't need a 1.2.1.1 leaderboard

because next to no one runs on it

[stray kestrel]

another way of looking at it is that its one category, but the boards are just filtered

[stiff delta]

time to downpatch

[soft jolt]

@digital jewel perfect... As I said: why not WRITE THAT on the rules to make it clear... It is not implied... That's my point...

[digital jewel]

that's a good way of explaining it mayo

[grizzled maple]

I said earlier, the reason that the board exists at all is to allow people who cannot downpatch for whatever reason to compete fairly, or for people who strongly prefer current patch.

It didn't always exist and it was a deterrent to some runners.

Now it's fair

[soft jolt]

I agree emray

[hearty adder]

if you look at all the runs on the leaderboard and see they're all 1221, plus a separate board for 1432, i think that's a good enough implication there

[stray kestrel]

like there's no cp nmg TE board becasue there's no demand for it

[soft jolt]

@hearty adder nope... A buncha of other patches

[stiff delta]

what

[grizzled maple]

If someone tries to submit a cp run to the normal any% board a mod would just move it. It's really east to tell for a lot of reasons. And really it's doing them a favor anyway

[soft jolt]

Don't think it is clear

But I managed to get 72 people talking... Lol

[grizzled maple]

Also cp TE is actually the same run only you cant lever skip spire

[soft jolt]

I won't bug anymore lol

[grizzled maple]

1 cycle uumuu is still possible and you get shade soul the intended way. there never will be a cp board

[soft jolt]

As I said, it is a suggestion

[grizzled maple]

its pointless

[soft jolt]

Now I'm talking about something else in life... You have a ruleset... Isn't it good if the ruleset makes it clear for everybody and not be implied? Specially if other rules of other stuff in life that is not implied? My point... Of course, if the community feels it is implied and period, I'm the one not getting it in my way and have to deal with it.... And I really don't mind

[grizzled maple]

I think this is maybe the disconnect:
Generally speedrun boards will not specify things that aren't necessary to mention unless it is a major restriction. The patch doesn't fall under this. Technically Any% NMG is unrestricted by patch, but CP NMG is. So only CP NMG should mention its own restriction.

Rules shouldn't be too wordy or people won't read them.

[digital jewel]

I think you might be the first person ever to complain about it

[soft jolt]

"Any patch except current patch" is not too wordy

@digital jewel probably, lol

[true palm]

it also has spire lever skip, which is ONLY on 1221 and no other patch, which single handedly saves 40 seconds

its one of the biggest if not the biggest instance of speed tech in the run

(thats been patched out)

[stiff delta]

what

Cynicism please

Are you /srs or /j

[grizzled maple]

you can definitely get a competitive time in TE on current patch

[digital jewel]

what tk3?

[haughty fossil]

City levers are only wallhackable on 1221

[stiff delta]

am i dumb

Im thinking of spire pogo

Are you talking about the lever skip

[haughty fossil]

yes

[stiff delta]

I am ape brained

[true palm]

im talking about the lever ye

sorry

[stiff delta]

Dw

[digital jewel]

spire pogo saves a lot more than 40s

[true palm]

spire pogo also wasnt patched

[hearty adder]

nothing in the rules of any% nmg indicates you can't run on current patch, but if you try to submit it to that board a verifier will just move it to cp any% so it can be correctly categorized

[true palm]

runs always go to the most appropriate category, you will not see a steel soul 106 run in any% steel soul for instance

the same applies with glitches, if you dont do major glitches, you will be put in an nmg board

[grizzled maple]

That was a whole debate a few days ago because one person didn't understand why they couldn't put a NMG run in AG

[hallow orchid]

one question I had is what happens if you submit a meme run (that's on the meme boards) to main board any%? Can verifiers move it to the other board or will it just be rejected with an ask to resubmit to the meme board?

[grizzled maple]

Like, it's about what's best suited to the run you did for fairness. Learning about the board is your responsibility before submitting. If you submit wrong, a mod will move it as part of their job.

[haughty fossil]

it has to be rejected

[stiff delta]

I dont think you can move games

yea

[digital jewel]

we can't move runs across games

[hallow orchid]

yeah makes sense

[dreamy bough]

if categories are sufficiently not distinguished, they will get merged i believe

(4ms nmms vs 4ms ag for instance 👀)

[true palm]

even some categories that are distinguished are merged (rip cp any% ss)

[hearty adder]

Would mms even do anything for 4ms

[dreamy bough]

from what i recall in the last discussion we had, it's too early to tell, but probably not

the changes to the nmms route were pretty recent

[stray kestrel]

could you like noclip with cp mms and kill mawlek fast and get shard?

or does that not work

also duping

lets move this to #misc-runs

[patent laurel]

im trying to use livesplit with hollow knight but its not staying above the game, can anyone help me?

[grizzled maple]

Are you using steam?

[patent laurel]

i used my steam account to downpatch to 1.2.2.1

[grizzled maple]

Step 1: In livesplit settings, select "always on top"
Step 2: Go into steam settings and in "launch options" put -popupwindow
Step 3: to activate press Alt+Enter

that should work

[vital seal]

New PB

[patent laurel]

thx

[quiet saddle]

Question: Is there any sort of "trick" to getting the THK scream skip? I can generally judge the timing of it (and I know they'll port to middle-ish if they're far enough to either side) but I find I often will dash above them and the scream will knock me just to the side of them. Is there a direction I need to drift? I usually hold towards them but I'm not sure if drift even exists after the scream hits you. Should I just try to be closer to their head vertically? I'm often at full jump height above it

[haughty fossil]

yeah you need to be close to his head

you completely lose control during the scream so holding directions won't do anything

[quiet saddle]

Ok then, I'll just need to dash at a lower height. Thanks for the info!

[rugged comet]

Does shade soul have different pushback than VS when you’re doing fireball skips?

[desert kiln]

happened when i was practicing the split lol

[grizzled maple]

yeah that can happen

if it does, be careful to not hit the spikes or grab the side. those can give you elevator storage

[dark blaze]

is there a way for this on GOG?

or is the pop up thing steam onnly

[haughty fossil]

gog should also have launch options

if not you can make a shortcut and add launch options on that shortcut

[shrewd shoal]

That exact thing happened to me yesterday lol

[dark blaze]

Ic, will check out. TY

[grizzled maple]

yeah i just don't know gog personally so i can't help with that

[frank obsidian]

What’s elevator storage

[verbal stag]

you can do it in gog galaxy, its under manage installation - configure

[knotty vigil]

thanks hollow knight, very cool

and now im softlocked

can't even close the game

[elfin vortex]

Lmao oh dear

[frank obsidian]

What’s the difference between a soft lock and a hard lock

[verbal stag]

yeah infinite loads can happen sometimes

[strong vessel]

The game is still playable when you're softlocked

Technically

[knotty vigil]

sorry i meant hardlocked

[strong vessel]

Like, you can control your character

[frank obsidian]

So getting stuck in scream position if you kill VK at the rigtt time is a hard lock?

Right?

[strong vessel]

I think? I'm not sure though

[haughty fossil]

the hornet 1 infinite load

[knotty vigil]

that's a thing?

i thought it was just random

[stuck raptor]

hardlock: inputs not accepted
softlock: inputs accepted, but you can't progress

[digital jewel]

you can infinite load anywhere technically

[haughty fossil]

nah I just have had it a few times at that transition

[digital jewel]

but it'll happen more often on intensive scenes

[haughty fossil]

we have a bad habit of calling hardlocks softlocks for some reason 🥴

[stiff delta]

its just nicer to say

[quiet saddle]

I got infinite load on one of my first transitions after installing debug mod; I thought I fucked something up lol

[stray kestrel]

I've also seen hardlock defined as you are literally locked out of progressing further without resetting your save whereas a softlock you just close and reopen and you can keep going

[quiet saddle]

Was pretty funny

[knotty vigil]

so is infinite loading even a hardlock then?

[somber cedar]

the hell happpened to me here? why'd I float?

[stray kestrel]

But you could say your file is hardlocked/softlocked vs the game being hard/softlocked

[stray kestrel]

The game itself is hardlocked yes, but your file is not

[knotty vigil]

ah

[true palm]

i've been wanting to run file softlock% for a minute

[haughty fossil]

you got hit by
you got struck by
jank hitboxes

[stiff delta]

🍝

[true palm]

that devout hitbox is cursed btw

you can float there and farm soul indefinitely sometimes

[somber cedar]

unintentional + no time gain means it wouldn't invalidate the run, right?

[true palm]

pretty sure that ones not even a major glitch though

[somber cedar]

great, so my shitty PB stands ig :/

[knotty vigil]

ive been trying to figure out for the past few days what the spaghetti means

[true palm]

spaghetti code

[knotty vigil]

oh

does anything avoidable cause infinite loads or is it just complete randomness?

[true palm]

floats a separate glitch, but if anyobdy would like to confirm doing that weird thing with the devouts ok thatd be cool

[stuck raptor]

The only actual softlock example in HK I can think of is if you get to monomon without claw or ismas with glitches, and you die in the next segment. you will respawn at monomon and be stuck there forever

[dry sluice]

That's just how devout collision works, not a glitch

[frank obsidian]

What abt killing Hornet 1 on top of the gate

[stuck raptor]

you can save quit

so the game is not softlocked

[dry sluice]

Mick you could also set your bench to a room that doesn't have one

[stuck raptor]

you can still progress by escaping the loop

[true palm]

i mean the shade cloak before mantis is a softlock, and benching in basin with nail 0 is a softlock if you dont have mantis claw

[stuck raptor]

I'm not familiar with that one kry, but sounds like it

[dry sluice]

Or go to void heart without shade cloak and be unable to leave

[hot latch]

Hey y'all, I'm wondering if anyone knows how i can edit my submission on src? I accedentally set it to nmg 1221 rather than cp

[stuck raptor]

yeah sounds right. a softlock means you cannot progress on that save ever. no matter if you save quit or anything

so in some respects, softlocks are far worse than hardlocks

[true palm]

find your run under pending actions, go to the submission, and hit edit run

[stuck raptor]

at least with hardlocks you can alt+f4

[true palm]

both the basin ones are solvable with really low fps (like.1) i've heard but that feels like a glitch to me

[frank obsidian]

That's scary to think abt

[hot latch]

Thank you!

[quiet saddle]

There's no RNG in the laser crawler things in Godcycle/pixel room yea? It's all just cycle based?

[last inlet]

i believe so yea

[digital jewel]

in god cycle room there is rng

[last inlet]

wait are laser times rng

[digital jewel]

the laser bugs can fire at different times

[quiet saddle]

Oh for real Xero?

[digital jewel]

yeah

[last inlet]

ah yeah good point

[quiet saddle]

So how do you consistently get through the room without being hit then?

[last inlet]

positions are cycle based, laser timing is rng

[quiet saddle]

Oh, so probably just playing around the positions then.

So laser or not, you won't be hit regardless

[last inlet]

#strats message this strat is most consistent i think?

idk if you're already doing it

[grizzled maple]

The fact that the lasers are rng is why god cycle and god pixel are actually identical cyclewise, and also why on current patch you can be hit by the top left bug in this room.

I've only seen someone be hit there on 1221 once so it's pretty rare

[wind spear]

Do y'all have any tips on how to beat Mawlek faster in a 4 mash shards run?

[frank obsidian]

I mean Im a nub, I got VS

[wind spear]

Ah jeez, that'll speed up the fight, but I'm not sure if it's faster for the run as a whole

[last inlet]

it's slower overall

[wind spear]

Yeah, figured as much

[last inlet]

i dont run 4ms tho so idk mawlek strats

watch top runs for how they dodge attacks and deal damage

i think 60 nail hits kills so if you're into counting hits that might be useful

[grizzled maple]

I know it's obvious but you essentially want to be constantly dealing damage as often as you have a nail swing opportunity. So it's all about learning your spacing and windows. With that in mind, study the top runs to see how they do this.

[wind spear]

Alrighty, thanks for the help!

[stiff delta]

You can ideally get 3 hits in between each claw swipe but its very tight

Otherwise pray for the big spit attack, you can curl up real close to mawlek and upslash away

[quiet saddle]

What's a 4 mask shard run?

[stiff delta]

its in the name

[quiet saddle]

Getting 4 mask shards as quickly as possible?

[stiff delta]

get 4 mask shards

or 1 total mask

[quiet saddle]

Ah, I see.

[stiff delta]

Its a pretty fun category

[dapper cove]

I agree

Mawlek is the worst part though

[knotty vigil]

after doing enough randomizers, mawlek isn't as bad

[stiff delta]

far and away the worst part is gruz mother

nothing is worse than losing pb pace to zigzag slamboni attack

[dapper cove]

I mean I can see that

[stiff delta]

At least with mawlek its like the 2nd thing you do

[dapper cove]

Once you get good enough though it won’t be as much of a time loss

I just struggle with getting to mawlek

The fight itself is fairly easy

[hearty adder]

For future reference, if you want help with a meme category, you'll get better luck asking on #misc-runs-nmg , since that's where the people with most experience usually are

[knotty vigil]

gettingto mawlek is harder than fight

[stiff delta]

It is?

[knotty vigil]

for me at least

[hearty adder]

But on mawlek, basically you'll want to stay as close as possible constantly, but also learning the rhythm of how to dodge efficiently

[dapper cove]

Yeah

His jumping attacks are the worst

[stiff delta]

I disagree

Most free damage you can get out of the fight

[dapper cove]

I struggle to dodge

[stiff delta]

just move

[dapper cove]

...easier said than done lmao

[hearty adder]

You can bully mawlek plenty on the jump and the big spit

[dapper cove]

I bully him on the spit

[dark blaze]

Yeah jump attack is the worst imo since less dps

[stiff delta]

You can get at least 6-7 hits on the jump attack

[dapper cove]

Ty hunt lmao

I get maybe one or two

[hearty adder]

I personally find it harder to dodge on the normal slash attack, i get too impatient lol

[stiff delta]

Yea i do the same thing

[knotty vigil]

ive gotten worse at epogo since last time, can someone tell me what im doing wrong?

[stiff delta]

Too low/too far right i think

[hearty adder]

You waited too long for the first dash, and fireballed/dashed too late on the second one

[knotty vigil]

ok

[hearty adder]

You ended up with the spore too close to you and you were too low

[dapper cove]

Albeit though I only did one 4ms run just so I can take last place from slothy

I’m going to slowly try and take last place in most cats

[stiff delta]

catch me in sro real quick

[hearty adder]

I personally start dashing once the spore is around here (for 3fb)

[dapper cove]

Sometimes people need the confidence boost of not being last so I’m going to try and get last place in a lot of cats

[hearty adder]

Practicing with showHitboxes mod on will let you see how high you can do the second dash without bonking on the wall

[uneven pike]

Most important is debug mod tho

[knotty vigil]

ok thanks! im getting much more consistent with it now

just got 4 in a row without getting hit

[stiff delta]

Dub

[frank obsidian]

Do it in 4ms cat CP nmg i mean what

[knotty vigil]

for mantis pogo double dash do i need to do the mini hops that fireborn does in his tutorial? i don't know what they do

[last inlet]

which mini hops specifically?

[knotty vigil]

(the mini hop right when you land in the first room of mantis village)

[last inlet]

nah, that just makes you fall faster

[knotty vigil]

in cp too?

[grizzled maple]

yes

[last inlet]

since you start gaining downward velocity before your character is off the ledge

[grizzled maple]

but on cp you can do a wiggle because you get horizontal control sooner, so there you would not hop, just dodge the platform

This is basically the idea:

1. hug the wall left before the first dash left
2. dash high, as high as you can. this manipulates the right mantis's height.
3. walk a tiny step before the fireball.
4. fireball and dash out of that animation
5. upslash the mantis and while holding left jump and swing the nail at the lever
6. dash right immediately

[knotty vigil]

ok

[grizzled maple]

If you're still having any trouble, recording would be really helpful for us to pinpoint whatever the mistake might be. The inputs are really consistent so just seeing how the mantises move can tell you what went wrong.

[knotty vigil]

ok

im gonna go do a few runs, hopefully i don't get infinite load again:/

[knotty vigil]

how do i fix livesplit completely skipping splits in the main menu? like what is the button to go to the previous split?

just had a really good run ruined bc of it

[wanton tartan]

hotkeys are customisable, right click on the livesplit window and find settings in the menu

[knotty vigil]

oh yeah i forgot

[haughty fossil]

numpad8 default i believe

[knotty vigil]

yeah

just checked it

would it be retimed by a verifier?

[haughty fossil]

as long as the start time and end time are correct there is no need

[knotty vigil]

really? i thought it would reset the timer when i undo it

[haughty fossil]

no

it only undoes the split, the timer continues as normal

[knotty vigil]

ok

[haughty fossil]

splits are more like markers on a continuous timer than a bunch of segments - the only time they are treated individually is for comparison

[knotty vigil]

ok thanks

yeah, i was really mad when that happened cuz i finally got epogo and 2 fireball vs skip both times in that run and then it thought i got a 12 second gruz mother

which would be very impressive

[haughty fossil]

gruz mom does tend to split early often for some reason happens to me a lot too, i just undo it whenever it does

[knotty vigil]

ok

[stiff marsh]

Hi! I'm new to the server so please excuse me if this is an easy question, but does anyone have current info on the 100% NMG route? I tried looking through the guides on speedrun dot com but all I could find was 100% "Legacy Route".

[haughty fossil]

100% isn't a very well run category, more often 106% and 112% due to being on better more recent patches
i believe neither has a "current" route notes because both have often significant reroutes

your best bet is probably to ask for splits & watch recent runs on the leaderboards

[stark birch]

Yeah, 100% has to be run on a patch where 100 is the max completion percentage iirc, which is before either of the two majorly run speed patches

[haughty fossil]

cp
speed patch

[stiff marsh]

Yeah I'm aware of the downpatching. Thanks for the info! I might just start with all skills first and then dip into 106%

[stark birch]

yeah 106 is the sort of default "do everything" run, unless you are very into either current patch in general or specifically pantheons

[stiff marsh]

Was mostly hoping for a completion run avoiding NKG tbh 😅 which is why I was leaning more to 100% instead of 106

[frank obsidian]

You could always Banish

[stray kestrel]

not for 106%

no its in the category rules to defeat nkg

[stark birch]

106 has the NKG fight as a category rule much like 112 has P5

[haughty fossil]

106 TE includes NKG as a requirement

[frank obsidian]

Oh rip

[stiff marsh]

Yeah like 112% includes the all bosses to make you do zote :P

[frank obsidian]

in 112 u can banish, but the APB part is

[stray kestrel]

i think i might have route notes for 100% TE NMG typed up somewhere if you really want, i'll be able to check in about half an hour, would you like me to ping you with a txt if i find them?

[stark birch]

but also NKG is so much fuuuuuuun everyone run NKG%

[frank obsidian]

NKG% peepoArrive

[haughty fossil]

in 112 you fight grimm in godhome anyway though so you're just moving nkg later

[frank obsidian]

^

[stiff marsh]

Sure if it's not too much trouble I'd appreciate it ✨

Thanks for the help! This is my first official attempt at getting into speedrunning so I'm excited and nervous :P I'm also open to controller suggestions if anyone has them, I was probably gonna go with xbone wired but if there's anything I should know (as a d-pad platformer player) that would be appreciated

[frank obsidian]

GL!

[stray kestrel]

controller is mostly all personal prefernce, the best one is the one you're most comfortable using

[frank obsidian]

Guys should I do some HK Zoomies?

[stiff marsh]

I'm only familiar with playing HK on switch joycons (bc the pro controller is garbage ime with celeste)

[frank obsidian]

vote

[knotty vigil]

what is zoomies?

[frank obsidian]

speedrun

[knotty vigil]

ohhhh

im dumb

[hallow orchid]

Xbone controller works well, a bunch of controller players use it myself included, though I used analog not dpad

[frank obsidian]

3yes 0no aluba% peepoArrive

[stiff marsh]

Gotta go fast

[digital jewel]

I use the xbox one dpad and I like it a lot

I think if you tried 106 you might find NKG easier than you expect

flukenest on old patches destroys him

[haughty fossil]

flukes

[frank obsidian]

[knotty vigil]

hey mathulu (if you're still here), i just wanted to thank you for the current patch epogo tutorial. it was super helpful!

[hallow orchid]

Glad you found it helpful! Thanks for letting me know

[stiff marsh]

Thanks for the confidence Xero

[elfin vortex]

Def this. I like the xbone controller with dpad but honestly even give keyboard a go. You may prefer it over controller

[knotty vigil]

im pretty consistent with epogo now and couldn't have done it without the tutorial

[frank obsidian]

lmao imagine being able to epogo, couldnt be me

[last inlet]

just play on 1221

[knotty vigil]

do some people not use dpad on their controllers????

[tardy sable]

i only use dpad for interaction and fireball skip

[haughty fossil]

analog is easier for my stupid thumb to think about

[hallow orchid]

I always use analog except for menuing yeah

[knotty vigil]

wait, i meant analogue lol

didn't know people ever used dpad

[haughty fossil]

i mean some people prefer dpad

[stiff marsh]

Yeah I got into the habit of d-pad with celeste and haven't been able to go back :P

[hallow orchid]

Haha on the other end of the spectrum plenty of people use dpad exclusively as well lol

[elfin vortex]

Analogue makes me unsure of my actions unlike dpad

[stray kestrel]

or keyboard

[hallow orchid]

For games like celeste I think it's much better other than feathers, but for hollow knight either works

[stiff marsh]

Big same

[grizzled maple]

I like the precision of analog. My brain can't understand directions without it

[knotty vigil]

me too

[last inlet]

feathers on keyboard are painful but yeah on the whole kb is nicer imo

[knotty vigil]

although it sometimes messes me up by accidentally talking to npc's or interacting with things

[olive smelt]

does anyone have a link to a completed all skills run guide?

[elfin vortex]

Celeste i can only play on keyboard but cuz of feathwrs i use contr for those chapters

[elfin vortex]

Is there not one on speedrun.com?

[haughty fossil]

there is one on speedrun.com

under the guides section, funnily enough

[stiff marsh]

Yeah but it says "in work"

[elfin vortex]

Ah

[stiff marsh]

(I was just there earlier lol)

[haughty fossil]

it's pretty done i think

i think the only issue is pisces teaches a method of early control after king's brand that is illegal 🥴

[olive smelt]

i checked. its not complete.

[elfin vortex]

Could watch vids and learn from them or maybw theres a wayback machine archive of the guide?

[olive smelt]

yeah probably, i’ll figure it out, thanks!! @elfin vortex

[haughty fossil]

pisces has a full video guide playlist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCXH-ajD9Dk&list=PLe3Nyw-0gXJpBqG9qLRx195qLFI3FD3_N

[elfin vortex]

Good luck

[elfin vortex]

Wow thats a great playlist

[shut beacon]

i got a question .... i saw someone post a video of them killing thk in the #any-percent-nmg (just above the 2 ppl who posted their pb's) and they used spore shroom ..... is there any point trying this ? i run console btw

[haughty fossil]

yeah its op on current patch (which is what console is locked to)

[last inlet]

spore shroom kills thk very fast on cp

[shut beacon]

Why

[haughty fossil]

switch wr does it i believe

[hallow orchid]

Spore shroom does unreasonable amounts of damage to thk yeah

[haughty fossil]

because this game is well made

[hallow orchid]

It does yeah jamie

[last inlet]

something something 🍝

[knotty vigil]

isn't it bc of multiple hitboxes or something?

[haughty fossil]

we don't actually completely know why

[shut beacon]

Do I have to over charmto do it ?

[haughty fossil]

no

just use spore shroom

[hallow orchid]

It's not optimal for cp any% because going through QG is faster than deepnest but if you're taking deepnest route anyway, grab spore shroom and swap shaman for it

[knotty vigil]

use soul catcher too if you want

[shut beacon]

Oh no shamen stone ?

[haughty fossil]

that takes time to pick up

yeah your main damage output becomes spore shroom

[shut beacon]

I use deepest anyways so ill try it

[hallow orchid]

Switch wr also gets soul catcher

[haughty fossil]

spend entire time healing basically

...math why

[hallow orchid]

But yeah I think no soul catcher is probably also optimal

Listen jamie it's a good charm

[haughty fossil]

understandable motive

[knotty vigil]

i do it for less hits in greenpath and elevator

im bad at optimizing in elevator

[haughty fossil]

....what is elevator referring to 🥴

[last inlet]

gruz drop room

but going to greenpath

[knotty vigil]

ive heard people refering to gruzzer drop as elevator

[hallow orchid]

I think catcher comes close to breakeven in spore shroom route fwiw

[haughty fossil]

thats gruzzer room though what

[knotty vigil]

sorry if it wasn't as clear as i thought it was

[hallow orchid]

Because of gruz room, greenpath, and now fungal soul collection plus thk fight

[haughty fossil]

zoomer language

[hallow orchid]

I think elevator room is actually some level of boomer language

I've heard it before long ago

[haughty fossil]

boomer language

[elfin vortex]

Lmao i cant even remember the names of hk enemies lol. Had to google gruzzer

[hallow orchid]

When they hit you out of your frame perfect inventory drops you'll remember their names as you curse them

[knotty vigil]

i have most of them memorized and i didn't even practice the names

[last inlet]

best use for soul catcher in runs is clearly overcharm te radiance

[elfin vortex]

I just call them flies

[knotty vigil]

but what about vengeflies?

[elfin vortex]

Mosquitos

[haughty fossil]

what about squits then

[knotty vigil]

but what about the squips

squits*

[elfin vortex]

Green mosquitos ig im thinking about the corrext enemy

[knotty vigil]

the one you pogo if you fail fb skip

[grizzled maple]

squit, his name is Eric

[elfin vortex]

Ye i still call them mosquitos lol

[knotty vigil]

he has a name???

[elfin vortex]

Annoying little bastards

[last inlet]

we have names for a lot of enemies

[grizzled maple]

the community named some enemies yeah

[haughty fossil]

the leaping husk on the way to gruz mom is jennifer

[knotty vigil]

what about the stupid gluttonous husk in watcher spire?

i hate that one

[last inlet]

it's always very sad when we have to kill jennifer for soul

[haughty fossil]

there are several of those

and 1221 doesn't deal with them

[grizzled maple]

jennifer ended up becoming interchangeable with leaping husks in general but Jennifer is THE Jennifer

[knotty vigil]

i mean the one in the sentry room

[stiff marsh]

@olive smelt btw I'm gonna be learning/practicing all skills soon so I might do some graphics work to flesh out the guide

[knotty vigil]

oh yeah, i forgot lever skips existed

[elfin vortex]

Really annoying yh. They look like eggs tbh

Is there a way to see all hitboxes?

[knotty vigil]

mods i think?

[haughty fossil]

in 1221 debug it exists, in cp you have to get a separate mod showhitboxes from the installer

[elfin vortex]

Huh cool

[knotty vigil]

why did they remove it in later versions?

[haughty fossil]

cp is not the most up to date debug

[knotty vigil]

really?

[haughty fossil]

1221 debug is more up to date due to more demand

[last inlet]

it's more that it was added into 1221 after cp debug

[haughty fossil]

1221 gets multiple save states

[last inlet]

1221 debug is a separate thing since the mod installer is cp only

[elfin vortex]

Does the mod show hitboxes for enemies only or everything?

[last inlet]

yeah multiple savestates are an absolute godsend

[haughty fossil]

shows hitboxes for most stuff, some are missing but walls hazards and most enemies work

[last inlet]

you can toggle through none, enemies and surfaces, and everything on 1221 debug

[haughty fossil]

i think its only some bosses it doesnt work on

[last inlet]

not sure about the show hitboxes mod

[haughty fossil]

showhitboxes is just on/off

[elfin vortex]

Nice feel like that'll be rlly useful

[knotty vigil]

what version are you running?

[elfin vortex]

For me atleast

Cp

Or were u asking jamie lol...

[knotty vigil]

was asking you

really? there's a lot more cp runners than i thought

[elfin vortex]

Rn im learning 112%. Is the funnest imo

[haughty fossil]

yeah theres a few cp runners

[knotty vigil]

less than 1221

[last inlet]

still aren't really cp runners on less popular cats though

like there's separate boards on any%, all skills, 4ms

but stuff like te and low% i think just have 1 board for any patch

[haughty fossil]

yeah because most people don't run the less popular cats and cp has only really grown in the past half a year tbh

[hallow orchid]

Holy hell any% cp has 200+ runners now? 🥴

[elfin vortex]

Do people still run PoP?

[hallow orchid]

I remember when there were like 25

[jagged vault]

yes

[haughty fossil]

we add cp boards when there are enough runners on cp to justify it; but lots of people won't run a category there is no board for. it's a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point

[jagged vault]

it's under the individual level boards

[haughty fossil]

the most recent pop wr was like a couple weeks ago i think

[elfin vortex]

Yh ik. Wondered if it was a dead cat but seems it isnt

[last inlet]

if you want to check pop wr just look at what schy's nick is

[jagged vault]

not the most active category in terms of runner amount. but Schy has been getting lots of records recently

[grizzled maple]

in reality cp categories are nearly as popular as the downpatched ones because downpatching is actual ass

[hallow orchid]

There's a bunch of cp runners on the meme board btw, the meme run community mostly runs on cp

[knotty vigil]

i could probably figure out downpatching eventually, i just want a smaller leaderboard for easier high positions

that's why i do cp

[stray kestrel]

you could do elegy% nmms on CP

[last inlet]

raw position number is kinda meaningless tho

[grizzled maple]

cp any% is also pretty optimized though. top runners of 1221 have run it

[knotty vigil]

true

im not too focused on position, i just think it'd be cool to be in top 100

[elfin vortex]

Ngl i just cba to wrestle with my comp more than neccesary and just want to play so thats why im doing cp. That and 112 is a good cat imo

[last inlet]

just complete any te run

[hallow orchid]

If you want to eventually run 112 running on cp is a good idea

112 is awesome btw

[knotty vigil]

ive thought about it

[elfin vortex]

112 is only cp right?

[last inlet]

yes

[knotty vigil]

might do it after i get in top 100

[last inlet]

no other patch can get 112%

[hallow orchid]

I guess you could technically run it on 1424 or whatever the other godhome patch is but no one does

[last inlet]

well i guess earlier 1.4 patches technically work but why would you downpatch to an old godmaster version

[hallow orchid]

Yeah afaik its only useful for pantheon bindings

Where nail arts weren't affected in the first godhome patch

[last inlet]

either way not useful for an entire 112 run

[knotty vigil]

if i wanted to do 112% i'd need to actually beat the PoH which i haven't done yet...

[dreamy bough]

i mean could be a thing for fury pantheons

[knotty vigil]

haven't even gotten all the grubs in my first save file haha

[last inlet]

fury pantheon ils or fury pantheons in 112?

bc good luck getting people to use fury on pantheons in 112

[elfin vortex]

This is a possible habit of mine but I think i may reset way too often at the smallest mistakes. To check if i am resetting too much how often do u guys reset?

[last inlet]

if i'm learning a run, almost never

[knotty vigil]

i have that habit too

[hallow orchid]

I almost never reset unless I die somewhere really bad

[last inlet]

if i'm going for a pb, only if i genuinely dont think i can make up the amount of time

[knotty vigil]

i reset if i miss gruz room inv drop or double spike...

[last inlet]

yeah don't do that unless you're just instantly going for super optimised times

[knotty vigil]

or if i get over 59 seconds on kp

[elfin vortex]

Huh. I just hate not meeting my avg time in a room

[hallow orchid]

Especially early on, just live with those small timelosses. You'll have much bigger time saves later in the run

[knotty vigil]

like my two deaths in beasts den

[elfin vortex]

Then in that case yh fuck it i wont reset

[last inlet]

yeah exactly, you'll do better just playing well later on compared to doing early game insanely well and then screwing up late game bc you never get there in runs

[hallow orchid]

Plus just mentally if you can learn to accept small mistakes speedrunning will be so much more enjoyable, at least imo

[knotty vigil]

i also tend to reset if i get over 3:55 vs split

[last inlet]

yeah that's another good point

[elfin vortex]

Esp in 112 with the bosses ig

I need to kill them quicker

[hallow orchid]

Yeah in 112 I have brought back literal minutes of timeloss routinely

My pb loses like 1.5 minutes in early game lol

[stark birch]

generally, the more you reset the less you practice the end of the run, which tends to be where the real reset points are

[elfin vortex]

Mhm

[last inlet]

another tip i would recommend for practice in general - spend more time practising bosses than you think you should, they generally have huge potential time saves

[knotty vigil]

i find the end of the run really easy(except for uumuu)

[stark birch]

like unless you're running a 10 minute category, a 1:01 kp is never going to hurt you as bad as say a 5 cycle Uumuu goddammit

[knotty vigil]

yeah

[onyx spade]

imagine getting a 5 cycle uumuu

[stark birch]

speaking in the general case of course, no reference to anything

[elfin vortex]

I have bad habits I got from radianting hall of gods so i kinda need to relearn the way I fight bosses

[prime delta]

I remember watching a video a while back about why there's always a couple records set in practice rooms during marathons and the answer is pretty much "because they don't reset"

[last inlet]

advice that is true of basically every boss in this game while speedrunning: stay close to the boss

[elfin vortex]

Lol yup

[last inlet]

if you're on the other side of the arena you should probably get over to the boss

[knotty vigil]

i normally get 6 cycle uumuu...

[last inlet]

about the only exception i can think of is if you're performing certain quick kills with double hit vs/shade soul

[knotty vigil]

i can't get better than 5 cycle uumuu for the life of me

[elfin vortex]

I just rlly need to grind speedkilling those bosses then

[stark birch]

I mean, on the one hand, that's why boss practice is good (tm), but on the other hand, if that's your baseline, then in a PB-run context getting 5-cycle is good

[knotty vigil]

yeah

[stark birch]

like if your only goal is PB then anything you do better than your past self is to be celebrated kinda by definition

and then you work up from there

or give up the category and rediscover zote% or something don't trust me

[knotty vigil]

i spent like 2 hours practicing uumuu last night and i think i got a 4 cycle once(?)

could be wrong though

[last inlet]

if you're improving that's the main thing

[elfin vortex]

I have a rlly shitty mindset in 1upping myself but yh u guys are 100% correct

[last inlet]

as long as you're getting better at the fight then the practice is worthwhile

[knotty vigil]

i feel like im barely making progress on the uumuu fight even with all the practice

[elfin vortex]

Think I may as well grind speedkilling bosses in p5 then

[elfin vortex]

What problem r u facing?

[knotty vigil]

idk just falling off the plats while quirrel slices uumuu's shell bc of knockback

steady body is one of my fav charms

[elfin vortex]

I've never used steady body lol

Hate the idea of it

[stark birch]

yeah charms that change your physics tend to be rough going for speedruns in general -- although the P5 TAS uses steady body and it's glorious

[knotty vigil]

there's a TAS?

[elfin vortex]

THERES HK TAS'S????

[knotty vigil]

i love TAS runs so much

[elfin vortex]

same

I read that theres too much rng for tas of hk

[stark birch]

HK TAS in general is impossible because of too much pc-dependent/random stuff, but someone TASed P5 specifically

[elfin vortex]

Could u link?

[jagged vault]

there is a P5 tas and a PoP tas

it's on MethylPalladium's Youtube channel

this channel is for speedrunning discussion only

[elfin vortex]

Thx. Am hyped to watch them ngl

[jagged vault]

to have general conversation, please go to #off-topic

the p5 tas is nuts

the way one is able to handle flying bosses is pretty amusing

just quickslash steady body pogo-sideslash combo hovering inside the bosses

or next to them rather ig

[knotty vigil]

im gonna go try a full run without resetting at all and see how that goes!

[onyx spade]

good luck

[elfin vortex]

Good luck man!

Hope I see u on speedrun.com

[knotty vigil]

maybe i can get a better time before my other pb gets verified

[elfin vortex]

Oh my god ur so feckin right its stupidly fast

15:34!!!!

Like holy hell

[jagged vault]

please stop

[elfin vortex]

Tch

[jagged vault]

<@&283547423706447872>

[elfin vortex]

Ffs

[verbal stag]

<@&283547423706447872>

[elfin vortex]

Hahaha

Hilarious

Truly

Fucking grow up

[jagged vault]

wtf

[last inlet]

cool

[potent mountain]

stop what

[leaden python]

mods blessed

[jagged vault]

that

[elfin vortex]

Spam

[potent mountain]

stop what

[spice cradle]

sorry abt that

[leaden python]

Zaliant protect me uwu

[potent mountain]

i dont see anything

[jagged vault]

yikes some people

[haughty fossil]

zaliant

[jagged vault]

ifl the mods

[last inlet]

thanks mods

we have been saved

[radiant carbon]

I hate the mods ):<

[true palm]

theres also a kingspass TAS

[frank obsidian]

What is TAS

[gusty vortex]

tool assisted speedrun

someone basically goes in frame by frame and determines the most optimal inputs

lets you do some real wack stuff

[elfin vortex]

Yup. In games like celeste TAS runs do stuff pretty much undoable in a human run

[last inlet]

'pretty much'

[gusty vortex]

makes me sad that hk is mostly untas-able

un-tas-able?

for full game runs n stuff

[elfin vortex]

Rng problems i think

[prime delta]

hk cannot be assisted by tools

there is no helping it

[gusty vortex]

yeah its already good enough it doesn't need anyone's help

[desert kiln]

Where is the thing that lets you override your arrow keys when you press another one? I don't see it in pins. Also, is that okay to use in runs?

[last inlet]

too much is fps dependent for tasing

[stiff delta]

resources i think

yes allowed in runs

[last inlet]

like half of flying enemy movement

[elfin vortex]

Should be cuz xbone controllers give u it

[last inlet]

it's called socd cleaner

[frank obsidian]

imma do an hk zoom

[gusty vortex]

on a completely unrelated note has anyone had issues with gruz mother autosplitting?

I load into mound after claw and it just spilts itself sometimes

[leaden python]

make sure that you're using ordered splits

and that your autosplits are in correct order

[gusty vortex]

ah

thanks!

[elfin vortex]

What does enabling ordered do?

[leaden python]

it makes sure that your splits are only split in the order they defined in autosplitter. Coincidentally, it improves autosplitter and livesplit performance

[elfin vortex]

Damn guess ima enable that. Idk too much about setting up stuff for runs since I only managed to get bootcamp working and switch os today

[leaden python]

are you playing on mac with windows installed through bootcamp?

[knotty vigil]

not my proudest moment in speedrunning...

i lost all my geo and had to reset

never even seen that animation before

[last inlet]

that reminds me my pb any% run has a cpeaks death

also rip

i might return to any% at some point

[knotty vigil]

cpeaks is BY FAR my worst area

what cat are you currently running?

[last inlet]

te

my cpeaks is much better than it was

[gusty vortex]

I wanna get into TE but by jove does it look terrifying

and my boss fights kinda suck rn

[last inlet]

te cpeaks is almost the same as any% but with shopkeeper's key

only changes that one room

[elfin vortex]

Yup

[knotty vigil]

ive never actually practiced that section before outside of my runs

[limpid dust]

is there a pop tas ? never found it

[jagged vault]

i was told there was an actual tas the other day

not just the slowdown timescale one

[last inlet]

don't be scared to try difficult categories (although i'm not gonna pretend it's an easy run)

[jagged vault]

"actual" here being one of the predetermined input kind

[gusty vortex]

Yeah, I just think I wanna get my current patch any% time down a bit first

[elfin vortex]

If PoP tas is a thing can someone ping me the link

Sounds brill

[last inlet]

also downpatching is strongly recommended for te since it has no separate board for cp/1221

[gusty vortex]

good to know!

[leaden python]

do you mind me asking what specs do you have and if the game + livesplit performance is good enough? like what fps are you getting and stuff like that. Asking for a friend (c)

[grizzled maple]

Just search in this chat using discord "pop tas". Someone linked it not long ago.

[elfin vortex]

Not at all. I'll ping u the technical info (fps/specs) later cuz im in the uk and its nearly 1am so I obvs dont rlly want to get on my comp at this current time but it works well for me now that I have it working. Smooth and feels better than when playing on macos oddly.

[elfin vortex]

How do you search in a discord channel?

[jagged vault]

top right

[elfin vortex]

Oops

Guess im blind lol

[jagged vault]

"in: #speedrunning"

[grizzled maple]

The one with nightwish playing is apparently the wrong one, someone linked the correct one a little below the one i linked

when you find the conversation

[leaden python]

yeah the one with nightwish was done by human at a lower timescale

[elfin vortex]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1St4y1e7Eb?from=search&seid=5797693935026955187 is this it?

Not loading for me so idk

[leaden python]

nono, this is not the real tas

this is the one:
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV155411E7c9?spm_id_from=333.788.videocard.2

[last inlet]

isn't the real one a 1:54 or something ridiculous like that

[grizzled maple]

Yeah that's the one with nightwish

you want the other

[elfin vortex]

O cool

[last inlet]

1:56 close enough

[elfin vortex]

Whats nightwing?

[leaden python]

this tas isn't perfectly optimized but it's still really cool

[grizzled maple]

the band playing in the first video lol nightwish

[elfin vortex]

Ahhh ok

bilibili link isnt loading for me. Pain

[stray kestrel]

@stiff marsh https://pastebin.com/YjRxAM5q put it into a pastebin, this is the route that monstah took in his current 100% TE NMG rekky, some of the new reroutes done in 106 and 112 would be faster here too

[stiff marsh]

Thank you!

[uneven pike]

@true palm Hey can you walk me through dark deepnest

im suffering

[stone flame]

hi, just want to vent and say I am dying a lot during the mothwing cloak split

and I hate it

[dapper cove]

pisces did a tutorial for it if you're on about AS

he has a whole series for the route up on youtube

[uneven pike]

No its just 1 room

and a really weird room

[dapper cove]

is this AS?

[uneven pike]

whats as?

[dapper cove]

or low%

[uneven pike]

neither

[dapper cove]

all skills

[uneven pike]

its happycouple%

in which theres a grub by weaversong that i need

[stone flame]

oh yeah that's a terrible dark room

[uneven pike]

can you help me with it?

[dapper cove]

ohhhh maybe try asking in the misc runs chats?

[stone flame]

I don't know it

I just watched mathulu do it yesterday

[dapper cove]

they're more knowledgeable on the more obscure cats

[uneven pike]

all i need is someone to pull up the lightroom version of the room and show it to me

[dapper cove]

if you know the room code you could always look up a picture

[jagged vault]

Practice the room in debug

[uneven pike]

what the room code?

[jagged vault]

This way you can set up a savestate outside

[dapper cove]

so in debugger it'll show the "official" name for a room

like deepnest_east_40 or something like that

[jagged vault]

Then give/remove the lantern

And do it in the light, then in the dark

Repeat this and figure out consistent movement

And boom you’ve formed muscle memory

[stone flame]

Does anyone else have this problem that you practice a thing a day and start getting it consistent but then can't do it the next day?

[stark birch]

https://scripterswar.com/hollowknight/map if you don't know it as a resource

Also, mathulu and I ran purity vs. happy couple last night, so you can see a dark deepnest playthrough for that grub specifically on his channel or me backing up that grub with iirc cpeaks mimic grub instead

[uneven pike]

Wait you have a video of running purity?

also you are aware theres a 20$ bounty on happy couple by apr 10th

[stark birch]

yes I ran purity specifically to get happy couple runners to go for your bounty

I will not be running happy couple

[uneven pike]

poggers

whats your route

im suffering

[stark birch]

I'm technically at work rn so I can't dredge it but I will ping you in #misc-runs-nmg once I am free and you can check vods on my/mathulu's twitch for two slightly different routes

[knotty vigil]

for getting my future runs verified, am i allowed to have a video on livesplit to compare to?

[haughty fossil]

i guess sure, i find them a bit obnoxious/unhelpful in this game since you can't really see what's going on but to each their own
as long as gameplay/ui is not obscured you can do what you like

[knotty vigil]

i just wanna try it out a bit, not sure if ill like it though

nvm it just crashes when i try to trim it

nvm it didn't crash it just took a while to save it

aaannd nevermind, i need a certain plugin for vids to work

[true palm]

are you on 1221 or cp and which part of darknest?

is it the hotsprings to DV part?

for that section, if you kill the husks on the way, you can oneshot the ground spiders with vs if you dont want to memorize all the spikes positioning

for beginner strats, in the big room, right when you wall jump up and theres the two spiders, kill those with your nail, then vs the rest and its pretty comfy

[uneven pike]

im doing happycouple cp

so i just need the grub

[true palm]

the easiest way to learn a dark room is doing reps of one try with lantern, one try without, in debug mod

i presume you approach the big room from the bottom right?

[uneven pike]

yeah

ill try that

[true palm]

walk slowly, use sound cues if you dont want to memorize

make sure that your dashes are always in the same spot

and try to avoid dashing near gaps and spikes

look for visual cues

Weaver spawns have an rng time after you hit a certain trigger to activate if thats confusing you

but they always spawn in the same spots

battery made up a rhythm, so they count as they go through and do the same thing on each number

[normal aspen]

You just paste it in over the top on title screen and open it again

[true palm]

you can also backup saves on console as well

if you're running it there

[knotty vigil]

If I’m trying to do the 100% in 20 hours, which 12% is the slowest

[true palm]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[knotty vigil]

Oh my b

[true palm]

tbh you can just wing it though

[grizzled maple]

i have a video guide

https://youtu.be/Yl9mU9Nozoc

If you have more questions, you can go to help, otherwise gl this guide should help a lot

[knotty vigil]

Thanks!

SUB 50!!!

im really happy with that run!

when i started speedrunning 6 days ago i never thought id be in the top 100 already

[dapper cove]

woooo

[knotty vigil]

idk how im gonna improve on that, pretty much everything apart from greenpath went pretty good

also my gruz mother was bad

[true palm]

welp you see

you begin by porting all your times to a spreadsheet

compare your times to comsob

and see where you're losing time

[knotty vigil]

yeah

i don't think i'll ever get a 3:41 vs split though

[true palm]

something like this

you dont need to get comsob

or even be close to it

but it'll tell you where you have the most time

[knotty vigil]

cool

[true palm]

if you want a template i can give it to you

[knotty vigil]

quick question, what does delta mean in terms of speedrunning? ive seen it used a lot

nah im good

[true palm]

timeloss/save

the change

[knotty vigil]

ah

[true palm]

so the +11 is the delta

and percent delta is how much of that difference is compared to the whole

3:41 vs is pretty rough, id be aiming for a consistent 3:47

[knotty vigil]

my best is 3:51

[true palm]

what time are you leaving kp?

like a range

[knotty vigil]

about 58 seconds

[true palm]

thats good

what about aspid arena?

[knotty vigil]

normally around 1:55 i think

could be wrong though

i always try to get sub 2 minutes on the aspid arena

in my pb i leave it at 1:54

but ive done way faster

[true palm]

its pretty variant based on inv drop

[knotty vigil]

yeah i suck at those

[hazy birch]

do you of course, but i probably wouldn't grind too hard to shave 10 sec off the VS split at this point, probably more timesave elsewhere

[true palm]

theres more timesave elsewhere

im just point out that every split most likely has a fair amount

[knotty vigil]

like greenpath, i fucked up both fb skips i think

[true palm]

makes sense

[knotty vigil]

and hornet was terrible

[true palm]

but by the time you get mantis claw theres a minute to save on your pb

like an easier minute

[knotty vigil]

that being said, now that im 82nd i might try a different cat

im taking suggestions

[true palm]

what time frame and what meme level are you going for

and are you still playing on cp

[knotty vigil]

yeah

and no memes

any timeframe

[true palm]

i still want somebody to run any% steel soul current patch