speedrunning

[soft jolt]

@true palm I have to change from run to run because PS4 is Real time, not Game time

[dapper cove]

yeah so i usually check it every 2-3 days or so

[true palm]

if you do change to current comparison

[dapper cove]

you could do two different layouts which might help you if i remember correctly

[true palm]

you'll be able to compare by just swapping between those two buttons

[soft jolt]

I created both layouts. .. Now I'm setting the PC one

[dapper cove]

if you have a second layout for ps4 you could tailor the settings for that one to real time instead of game time so all you have to do is swap layouts

[knotty vigil]

so if i beat my time before it's verified, do i just edit the time and change the vid or do i have to make an entirely new submission?

[true palm]

its under timing methods btw

under my first screenshot yours are probably set to either game time or real time (mines set to game time because i only do pc)

[dapper cove]

don't quote me if i'm wrong but you can upload a second submission and they'll disregard the slower one

[knotty vigil]

ok

[true palm]

if you change that to current timing method you can swap between real time and game time in the same layout easily

[knotty vigil]

imma go try not to die in beasts den twice in my next run and hopefully get a sub 50

[soft jolt]

@dapper cove you are right... I lowered my pb 3 times one time before verification... Sent all three

[dapper cove]

ok :)

[soft jolt]

It is fun to send all so that you keep track of you whole progress

[dapper cove]

i've gotten into the habit of uploading all of my pbs to youtube with the stats for it

[knotty vigil]

and sending another run won't waste their time right? cause they won't look at the slower one

[dapper cove]

like the date recorded, time, placement if verified as of uploading

yeah they ignore the slower run

[knotty vigil]

ok

wish me luck!

[dapper cove]

gl!!

i believe in you!

[stark birch]

to specify a little; if verifiers see you've submitted multiple times, we will properly verify the fastest time, and then assuming that checks out just give the others a cursory glance and verify them all in one swoop, so you can see your run history if desired

but yeah only your best time will show up on leaderboards

[true palm]

sometimes they will miss your best time and have to do all of them though...

[dapper cove]

plus if you keep them all as separate runs, if one doesn't get verified for some reason, the others are still an option

[soft jolt]

About the timing method I noticed that it doesn't save in the layout, but in the proper splits instead

So if I load the pc splits, now it goes to game time and if I load PS4 splits it goes to real time

I change the layout just for the written stuff and so that both timers show on PC run

[dapper cove]

I'm super super big into keeping everything organised so that I don't have to remember to do things it's more of a subconscious thing. So I'll keep all my layouts organised into folders by game, and sometimes by cat depending on how many variants of the cat I run, and I have so many folders lmao

I have a folder for all things twitch and within that folder are some links and then two folders, one of which is speedrunning. And then within that folder is three more folders for three different cats and those folders usually have an image of the route and then a doc listing the specifics of the route, and guides if I find good ones

[knotty vigil]

i fell in the acid in fungal wastes 4 times and reset in my run just now:/

i struggle with that bit way too much

[low bramble]

which part of fungal

[knotty vigil]

vertical section that branches to leg eater

i try to remember to go left, right, left, left, right but then i accidentally fall in the acid and don't remember where i am and which direction to go

[stone flame]

main problem I have in this part is I often hard fall

oh, I got the speedrunner role, thanks! (don't know who did it)

[dapper cove]

you mean the drop section?

[knotty vigil]

yeah

[dapper cove]

first room or second?

[knotty vigil]

?

the one that goes to leg eater

[dapper cove]

ok the first room

the second room is much shorter and not as bad imo

[knotty vigil]

is it an alt path or what?

i don't know which second room you're talking about

[dapper cove]

i'm bad at explaining it's more of how i remember it

[knotty vigil]

ah

[dapper cove]

after you get to the bottom of the first room and go right

that room

[knotty vigil]

isn't that just the room with shrumal warriors? or am i misremembering the layout?

[dapper cove]

are those the roly bois

[knotty vigil]

yeah

[dapper cove]

that shout WAAAHH

nono before that

the first room with the bois that shoot the explosives i believe

[knotty vigil]

my mind is blanking

[dapper cove]

and there's the bouncy bois

i'm so bad at explaining im so sorry

[knotty vigil]

OHHH that one

that one is much easier

[dapper cove]

ok just looked at the map i misremembered the layout

but yeah the second drop room

i have aphantasia i can't visualise the layout i just have to hope i remember it

[knotty vigil]

ah

if you don't mind me asking, what catagory do you run?

[dapper cove]

so my apologies if i confused you

[knotty vigil]

nah it's fine

[dapper cove]

i run AS but I want to branch out at some point

[knotty vigil]

wait, i can't remember what AS is

[dapper cove]

the first cat I tried was any% but I suck at wk a lot and I need to practice a lot more

all skills

[knotty vigil]

ohhh

WK are mean

but im getting more consistent with them

one of my bigger enemies in speedrunning is those god damn obbles in the vertical greenpath room

they get me all the time

and infected vengeflies

it feels like the obbles are just 100% RNG and if they decide to send you to the bottom of the room they will

[leaden python]

they are quite random, but it's pretty easy to react to their patterns, you'll learn it with practice

there aren't many of those patterns and only a couple of them are a bit annoying

[knotty vigil]

ok maybe i should practice that room then

[stone flame]

I am running AS and I have a lot of trouble with Uumuu one cycle

I practiced it for like 2 hours and I got one cycle 2 times lol

[leaden python]

hey it's better than not getting it at all. If you think that you don't understand why you're missing 1 cycle, you can post your failed attempts clips. I think #all-skills is better cuz it might get lost here

[stone flame]

Thanks. Sometimes I feel like I should have gotten it but I find hard to notice if I the second shade soul doubled or not

[true palm]

recommend turning on hp in debug mod as well

the hp bar

and the enemy ui will also tell you how much health they have even if uumuu is still oob

[knotty vigil]

is there any strat to double hitting hornet with VS or is it just random?

[true palm]

basically, the last hit before stagger should be a vs

[knotty vigil]

how do i know when she'll stagger?

[true palm]

if she stays still during the stagger and doesnt take a doulbe shes "broken"

its 5 hits iirc (i havent fought hornet in forever)

needle throw resets the count

staggering her into a wall breaks her as well

[knotty vigil]

and it should be the same on cp right?

[true palm]

i believe they increased her counter iirc but i dont know, itd be the combo counter on the wiki

[knotty vigil]

and what does it mean to "break" her?

sorry for all the questions

[true palm]

i said it in the "if she stays still during the stagger and doesnt take a double"

[low bramble]

its one more hit to stagger on cp

[knotty vigil]

ohhh

i misread my bad

[true palm]

basically if she doesnt fly across the room when you stagger her she s broken, and she will be broken the rest of the fight

while shes not broken you want to knock her back and forth

once she breaks you keep her in a corner

[stone flame]

"needle throw resets the count" when do you start counting again? as soon as the attack begins?

[true palm]

i believe thats when it is

but i barely fight her and kind of just wing it when i do

so im not the how to fight hornet manual

[last inlet]

yeah 5/6 to stagger on 1221/cp

[knotty vigil]

wait, ive played hollow knight since it came out and had no idea that staggering was related to combos...

[true palm]

theres a flat counter and a combo counter

[knotty vigil]

i thought it was related to damage entirely

[true palm]

combo counter is reset if it takes more than a second for you to do damage

staggering is based on hits not damage

for both flat and combo

[knotty vigil]

oh

[frank obsidian]

🤯

[last inlet]

2 seconds for hornet 1

1 second for hornet 2

[frank obsidian]

I literally never knew that, all that stuff abt staggers

That's insane

[dapper cove]

at this point in time, for me at least, I don't aim to one cycle or two cycle uumuu, or in general beat most bosses as fast as possible

[stray kestrel]

do staggers work properly with cyclone slash?

[true palm]

afaik

some with abyss shriek as well id presume

[dapper cove]

i do try and beat bosses quickly, i'm just not trying to be as quick as possible... especially with harder bosses like h2, wk, hk, and uumuu (in terms of one cycle for uumuu)

[leaden python]

yes, they should. Abyss Shriek works as well

[subtle glade]

Some bosses, like lost kin, have a limit on how many times they can be staggered tho

[dapper cove]

in my last AS run I beat wk hitless and i was so goddamn proud even though i played a little on the safer side

[true palm]

all bosses have a limit, for most its 9999 staggers though

[dapper cove]

there were definitely instances where i could've damage tanked for some extra damange but i don't trust myself enough to pull it off lmao

doesn't lost kin have a cap of like 12?

[true palm]

idk the details, all i know is the wiki is fairly accurate on everything but thk

[stray kestrel]

also a lot of the time you deal so much damage, the stagger limit isnt relevant

[true palm]

lost kins stagger isnt even relevant in te with nail 0

[dapper cove]

true

[true palm]

the only time you see stagger limits really is breaking logic in randos

[dapper cove]

but i know it does have a fairly low stagger limit

[stray kestrel]

the most relevant one i can think of is hornet 1 in any% nmms when you dont have vs

[true palm]

nmms is all sorcery youd expect things to go weird

[dapper cove]

i remember my first time fighting him i entered the arena on accident and i had like nail1 and level 1 spells it was rough

but i did do it first try so i'm not scared of fighting him during speedruns if need be

[leaden python]

I think lost kin has unlimited amount of staggers on CP

[stray kestrel]

nmms is nothing compared to dropping a mountain on thk in AG

[dapper cove]

i went into the abyss before peaks so i didn't even have dive and i really only used vs

[true palm]

you dont really drop a mountain as much as bring a him to a mountain

[dapper cove]

i entered the abyss from not the normal route in terms of speedruns but i'm blanking on the exact route

[true palm]

and then he just walks into some spikes because thk no longer has a brain

[dapper cove]

i want to say i went through resting grounds

[stray kestrel]

you're right, but dropping a mountain on him sounds cooler

[dapper cove]

ok just checked a map ignore me lmao

[knotty vigil]

does anyone know when the all skills tournament will be over?

[dapper cove]

well it depends on how far into the bracket we are and any more drop outs and reschedules

[knotty vigil]

oh

[leaden python]

by the end of June

[true palm]

jokes on you its an endless tourney

[frank obsidian]

so wait, I can use debug to set naildmg to like 1 or 0, and then just wack them and bc its based on hits not dmg, itll stagger them?

[true palm]

naildmg 1 yes 0 no

[frank obsidian]

oops reply ping was on

[true palm]

0 technically doesnt hit

0 wont even break doors, its only applies knockback

[frank obsidian]

Primal Aspid torture peepoArrive

[knotty vigil]

i remember accidentally setting my -5 damage keybind to mouse0 and wondering why i couldn't attack things

[frank obsidian]

LMAO

[true palm]

but yes anything thats coded as a stagger is based on hits

pufferfish grim for instance is based on health

[frank obsidian]

I still cant get over that i never knew that

[true palm]

and same with thk screams

[frank obsidian]

pooferfish

[knotty vigil]

i also remember softlocking myself by somehow accidentally setting both my save state and reload buttons to mouse0

it made practice in speedruns very difficult

[frank obsidian]

I softlocked by setting hazard respawn to left mouse, couldnt even exit to menu

[last inlet]

one time i set 'kill self' to mouse

that was fun

[fair island]

Delete debugmod.globalsettings from the saves file location

[frank obsidian]

Oh I already fixed it, but thank you. It was a while ago, I just brought it up.

[knotty vigil]

oh, what i did to fix that is i went into the notepad file and changed the numbers around

my way was probably way more complicated than it needed to be

[frank obsidian]

I just uninstalled the game /j

[fair island]

That works too but saying delete the file is easier

[frank obsidian]

Delete system 32 /j

[regal viper]

I got QGA

Never again.

[dapper cove]

lmao

that was me with spike tunnel and basically all of the isma split

[true palm]

just run any% ss or low% or all skills or any category that doesnt do qga like i do

[dull lion]

Any% silk song is going to be hype but they can’t exactly do that yet /s

But seriously, you can also just not do QGA, it loses like 30 sec to go around

[regal viper]

I'm learning any% and I thought hey why not trying to get qga once before learning fungal wastes route

And after 6 hours

[dapper cove]

yep that sounds about right

[dull lion]

If you’re on current patch it loses way less cause spore shroom

[dapper cove]

spore shroom is so pog

[frank obsidian]

Deebnest

[regal viper]

I can say it was worth

[dapper cove]

dee🅱️ nest

[regal viper]

What's wrong with sporeshroom?

[dapper cove]

the second i found mr.mushroom and discovered you could talk to him with sporeshroom i went on a MISSION to find him

no guides just straight searching

[true palm]

sporeshroom is a very different strategy and loses time

[regal viper]

But how is It used in runs?

[dull lion]

I thought it saved time optimally? My bad then

[regal viper]

Oh okay

[true palm]

it only saves time optimally if you arent doing qga

[dull lion]

It’s glitched on cp and does tons of damage

Well yeah that’s a given

[true palm]

but optimally doing qga and not grabbing sporeshroom is like 10 seconds faster

or something like that

[regal viper]

Should I grab sporeshroom?

[true palm]

if you arent doing qga use sporeshroom

[dull lion]

But difficulty wise it makes it much more appetizing to skip QGA. Only if you’re on current patch

It doesn’t work on 1221 right?

[regal viper]

I am on cp

[true palm]

does not work on 1221

[dull lion]

Then yeah

[regal viper]

And I'm not doing qga ever again I swear

[true palm]

if you want a category that does sporeshroom OPTIMALLY any% ss picks up sporeshroom

(in CP)

[regal viper]

What does ss stand for?

[true palm]

steel soul

[dull lion]

Steel soul

[pliant lagoon]

i am confused

[dull lion]

Or like any other item in hollow knight

[regal viper]

I die 5/10 times to watchers every run

[true palm]

basically spore shroom does 120 damage to thk per heal on current patch

[pliant lagoon]

so there is a sporeshroom route?

[dull lion]

It’s in the path of the no QGA route

[regal viper]

Steel soul os not the way to go

[true palm]

so qga is a bitch right and so people go through fungal to deepnest, and sporeshroom is on the way

sporeshroom saves time in thk

but because fungal is slower than qga it loses time overall

[pliant lagoon]

aww

i see

haven't seen that before qaq

[true palm]

any% steel soul already goes that way because they need tram pass

[pliant lagoon]

guess too much to learn

[regal viper]

Is there a video on cp thk?

With sporeshroom

Just to check

[dull lion]

It’s relatively new I think so that’s probably why

[vocal dove]

check out mathulus switch any% wr

[regal viper]

Omw

Thanks!

[true palm]

https://www.twitch.tv/mathulu/clip/SarcasticHelplessSpaghettiPRChase-RIORAiLSXiwZVnYN

heres another one

it mostly kicks in late into the fight

since it applies during screams

it does the same dps as shamans abyss shriek for reference

too bad theres only quick cast and not quick heal buttons

[dapper cove]

well the regular focus button is basically quick heal since we don't use it for anything else

[true palm]

still has a delay though

because the first part of the input doesnt do anything because its waiting for you to release it in case you cast a spell

[dapper cove]

true

[regal viper]

Okay spore shroom looks funny

[true palm]

spore shroom hits different man, and its also kind of hard to die doing it

its probably going to be one of the most free fights you'll ever do

[regal viper]

Nice nice nice

I like that

I love/hate watchers and uumuu

[true palm]

basically if it kind of looks like thk might not hit you, just heal and eventually they'll just run through the spore cloud

[regal viper]

I want to do an easy fight

[true palm]

switch wr is done with sporeshroom because why not and its also console friendly

because console input lag is not fun for qga

[regal viper]

I'm in switch

[haughty fossil]

switch wr is done with sporeshroom because why not and its also console friendly mathulu is a goddamn legend

[true palm]

mathulu is a legend without sporeshroom though

[regal viper]

6 hours to get a single qga I'm never doing that again

[stark birch]

also if you want to truly feel the power of spore shroom as a damage source in a cp-optimal category anyway, run spelless

[true palm]

i mean spelless works too but any% steel soul though

[stark birch]

but spelless has no dark deepnest

[true palm]

but baldur

[stark birch]

and is functionally steel soul for most of the run anyway since you're running around with fragile strength on

[true palm]

you cant tell me baldur is fun

[stark birch]

baldur is fun interesting a good time a part of the category, yep

[true palm]

id rather do darknest any day of the week than baldur kills

but y'alls baldur kills are kind of disgustingly fast ngl

[stark birch]

the only situation I will ever advocate for vsync lol

[true palm]

wdym you dont do uncapped fps baldur kills? i take back everything i've said or thought about spelless runners, y'all arent true gamers

[stark birch]

first of all, no one has ever accused me of being a true gamer

[true palm]

"accused"? hot damn thats some word choice, y'all are even more messed up in the head than i thought, maybe i'll have to run it at some point

see if spelless really hits that hard

[dapper cove]

if you were to do spelless it'd be a while before you could get to greenpath as i'd assume you'd need spore shroom to get past the baldurs guarding greenpath

[stark birch]

you can't get spore shroom spelless

[dapper cove]

welp

[true palm]

you do longnail fury strats

[stark birch]

there are two methods; you either farm 1800 geo in crossroads for early lantern to kill them with dreamshield (longer, but waaaaaay easier)

or you use longnail and perform a basically frame/pixel-perfect slash as the baldur uncurls 4 times as fast as you can

[true palm]

its both frame AND pixel perfect, not one or the other

[dapper cove]

1800 seems like a lot from crossroads alone although gathering grubs would help

[true palm]

grubs, false knight chest, theres ways

[stark birch]

the fastest farm method we found before all selling our souls and switching to longnail involved psychologically torturing the grub by false knight

because two aspids spawn there as long as he hasn't been rescued

so you farm those two aspids and the big husk in the next room for 57 geo in about 30s, rinse and repeat

plus false knight chest and all the geo rocks on your way

that said I highly recommend the category, it's great 🙂

[dapper cove]

sounds terrifying

i'd never survive wk without my plethora of op spells

[stark birch]

you get nail 1 strength at least

and spore shroom for thk

[dapper cove]

still not gunna jive with me

[true palm]

so is that nail 1 and fragile strength or just fragile strength

sorry for ping accident 🤦‍♂️

[stark birch]

nail 1 + strength

done because 3 cycle uumuu

2 cycle with those + overcharm fury if you're feeling crazy

[onyx spade]

talking about spelless 👀

[dapper cove]

Yes lmao

[desert kiln]

YES! FINALLY!

[dapper cove]

Woooo poggggg

[desert kiln]

now i just have to be able to kill them like 20% of the time instead of 1 in like 100 attempts i've done

[dapper cove]

Which cat?

[desert kiln]

any% nmg

[dapper cove]

Ohhhh yeah I couldn’t do it so I switched to AS lol

[desert kiln]

i'll probably learn something else later on but i just want to do a run of any category rn lol

and i saw fireb0rn's tutorials and was like: welp, looks like i'll be doing any% nmg, and now i don't want to learn another category until i get a run of this one

[dapper cove]

Pisces has amazing tutorials for AS so I’d recommend those if you do end up switching

It even explains the dark rooms and the optimal ways to navigate every last section

[frank obsidian]

I had a fun as cp nmg run going. Got to Hornet 2 at ~2hrs. Gave up at 3.

[dapper cove]

Oh rip

You see I’m stubborn so when I spend 20+ minutes on hornet I still finished the run lmao

[knotty vigil]

is there a setup for mantis pogo or do i just hope they cooperate with me?

[neon island]

There is a setup actually

Double dash is the most used one

I think fire covers it in his any% guide

[true palm]

double dash has no rng but less visual cues on current patch

[knotty vigil]

ok

[hearty adder]

mantis pogo is very annoying very precise imo

where's emray's doc when we need it

the one that has a pretty detailed write-up about mantis pogo

[true palm]

if you continue struggling with double dash 3 mantis is more likely to work when it comes to winging it

[knotty vigil]

i looked up fireborns guide, but what if i don't go for e pogo? is the setup different?

[sand nacelle]

welp i'm back and it's spring break now.

[true palm]

if you dont go for epogo then you need to do 3 mantis

which is rng

[knotty vigil]

damn

guess ill need to practice epogo

[true palm]

fire does cover 3 mantis though

[knotty vigil]

i tried practice on epogo cp once and i got it once in 2 hours

i had vsync on but im not sure if thats what did it for me

[true palm]

vsync ruins non vsync pogo trust me

vsync is the single worst setting in the game

[knotty vigil]

what is the point of turning vsync on?

[true palm]

if you have a bad computer it helps with framerate

[knotty vigil]

(for that skip)

[true palm]

more knockback

comfy pogo doesnt use vsync

[knotty vigil]

i don't know what comfypogo is and can't find a guide

[true palm]

if you are going for vsync pogo though you have to have it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYsRWyHjcmM

[knotty vigil]

god damn that looks hard

[true palm]

its not

trust me

[haughty fossil]

comfypogo actually easier than vsync epogo w/ practice tbh

way less precise

[true palm]

theres also a no turn around setup as well

[hearty adder]

it looks harder than it is

the 3 fireball version is very very lenient

[knotty vigil]

just curious, how much time does epogo save?

[hearty adder]

even if you aren't high enough the explosion usually pushes you enough to get through anyways

[grand elm]

roughly 45 seconds

[haughty fossil]

more like 30

[knotty vigil]

damn thats a lot

[stiff delta]

imma say about 30

[grand elm]

oh ye my 45 seconds was including mantis pogo for some reason

[knotty vigil]

looking at it again comfypogo doesn't look as bad as my initial glance

[true palm]

its honestly not that bad

[knotty vigil]

how much harder is it than a fireball skip?

[grand elm]

i find it easier

[true palm]

depends on the skip

generally easier

its easier than the old method which if you decide to use is here

https://youtu.be/4wdfFMLblz4

[knotty vigil]

im like 80% consistent at fireball skip (although i generally use 3 fireballs)

[true palm]

generally people go for comfy pogo once and then will go for pantapogo or vsync pogo

[true palm]

if you need 3 fireballs ur jumping too early

which doesnt apply to this setup at all

[knotty vigil]

oh yeah i do remember watching that second tutorial for like 2 hours and couln't get it

[true palm]

so you should be fine to do comfy pogo

[stiff delta]

honestly i still do 3 sometimes if i feel like it

fireball skip is still faster than not doing it

[true palm]

the issue is doing 3 on the second makes getting soul for the third slow

[stiff delta]

what if i am not good enough to do the third

[true palm]

then ur jumping too early

simple

[knotty vigil]

third as in the next room fireball skip?

[true palm]

grab your coyote frames and theyre easier

[stiff delta]

ayo bro im having like a heart attack dude

"jump later"

shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii did not think of that one

[grand elm]

how much time does the third fireball skip compared to the backup pogo ?

[true palm]

ik ik low% brains pretty massive

[stiff delta]

a lot

do third fb skip

[knotty vigil]

i have never gotten the third fb skip during a run

[true palm]

saves like 3 seconds to manpogo

[grand elm]

oke ty

[true palm]

just run low% and you'll be good at fireball skips, ez

[grand elm]

or die trying

[stiff delta]

low percent propaganda

dont be swayed

[grand elm]

learn low% so when you'll return to any% it'll look easy by comparison

[true palm]

you'll instantly get better just learning the route (indvidual performance and results will vary, consult a doctor first before trying low%, this product is not intended to diagnose, cure, or prevent any mistakes)

[dapper cove]

or just do AS bc you're too shit at everything else like i am

[hearty adder]

or just run meme categories saying you're using the to practice movement for main board runs

and then never run main board cats again

[knotty vigil]

im getting too many suggestions

[dapper cove]

i could do that with 4ms lol

[knotty vigil]

imma just stick with cp any% nmg since i don't wanna downpatch

[hearty adder]

yeah that's valid

[grand elm]

let the all relics run grind begin

[hearty adder]

eventually you'll know what you want to do

[knotty vigil]

and smaller leaderboards

[hearty adder]

You know what leaderboards are small? Category extension leaderboards

[grand elm]

run 111%

[stiff delta]

theres 106% which is the real category

and then there is 105 which just forgets something

[true palm]

just run whatever seems fun, dont let people tell you what to do, if you cant get epogo dont sweat it, if you cant get every skip dont sweat it (pest is 3rd in current patch and didnt learn any patch specific tricks like epogo)

[knotty vigil]

true

that being said im gonna go practice epogo now

[dapper cove]

i've made it my mission to try and do almost every cat once just to claim last place

[true palm]

like dont die, dont heal, follow the route, and just go through the rooms without stopping and you'll get a decent time

[grand elm]

that shouldn't be too hard if it's last place you're aiming for

[knotty vigil]

i tend to heal WAY to often

[grand elm]

except king's pass

you're going to have to beat 24h

[knotty vigil]

did 24h get verified?

[dapper cove]

but you see i am very very bad at the game

[grand elm]

yes

[dapper cove]

i can't beat wk on any%

i've spent hours trying and i just can't

[hearty adder]

any% watcher knights are a hurdle for everyone

don't beat yourself up too much over that

[grand elm]

uumuu is worse

[knotty vigil]

im (almost?) consistent at WK but it took hours and hours of practice

[grand elm]

i hate any% uumuu with every fiber of my being

[knotty vigil]

and uumuu is still a 7 cycle for me:/

[true palm]

uumuu is ass

[hearty adder]

I don't think there's any person who likes uumuu

[neon island]

Gwonkee does

[true palm]

just grind out getting the 150 dmg rotation on the first cycle before trying to learn the dreamnail timings

[knotty vigil]

why does any% have like, the worst bosses? apart from hornet

[true palm]

idk te has some pretty dogshit ones

[knotty vigil]

WK THK uumuu false knight are like my least favorites

[true palm]

i think elder hu in true ending is worse than any% uumuu personally

[grand elm]

isn't it more like ~135 on current patch ?

[frank obsidian]

False Knight

[grizzled maple]

elder hu is terrible in every category just for the record

[frank obsidian]

Pancake man bad

[grizzled maple]

he's got unique terribleness in every single one

[dapper cove]

any% uumuu isn't bad it's just long

[grand elm]

ha i disappear now fuck your pb pace

[frank obsidian]

[knotty vigil]

elder hu% when?

[frank obsidian]

this is elder hu's pancake stack

[true palm]

idk 106 has it pretty good dont they just triple flukenest elder hu?

[grizzled maple]

yeah but he can teleport out

[true palm]

XD

great game

[grand elm]

i like any% watcher knights, it's hard and i suck but it's a fun challenge at least

[grizzled maple]

i've had him disappear on my quick kills before. 106 is the best of the 3 but 112 is just as bad as TE because worse rng

[frank obsidian]

Hornet Sentinel in AS CP NMG is

[grizzled maple]

he can only tp to left side on 1221, its actually random on cp

[true palm]

oh i guess that makes it really fun

[frank obsidian]

She ended my AS CP NMG run

[stiff delta]

i mean once you practice absrad it really is just trivial yknow

5 minutes spent on qga made me better than ax

[frank obsidian]

Moth god bad

AbsRad was the bane of my existance for a solid 3 months

[knotty vigil]

(me who hasn't beaten the PoH yet)

[frank obsidian]

GL man

[stiff delta]

just practice then

[grand elm]

dw any% watcher knights don't show up in poh

makes it basically free

[frank obsidian]

[grand elm]

i can't remember who it was who described wk as "free with ddark and terrifying without"

[grizzled maple]

this person has not seen the 106 fight

[grand elm]

it was during a race commentary

flukenest doesn't count hehe

[frank obsidian]

https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes/thread/d3x25

This is

[true palm]

the 106 fight is so fast they dont get chandelier because it just takes too long

[frank obsidian]

That's crazy

[true palm]

106 is this category where you grab flukenest and then just pump em into everyboss in the game

[grand elm]

1221 flukenest

[true palm]

1221 doesnt even have the best flukenest

its still scary but it used to be scarier

[grand elm]

look how they massacred my boy

[true palm]

i mean thats why they've been adding new verifiers

[grand elm]

no silksong + pandemic = lots of hk speedrunners

[stiff delta]

more people is always good

as long as they are good people

[grizzled maple]

This is exactly what they volunteered for. We have TONS of people on the verification staff.

[frank obsidian]

Yeah I personally feel bad. My first ever run was verified in 3 hours, and then I immediately PB'd and submitted like 1 hr after the first one

[grizzled maple]

We've added a lot in the last year alone to help with submission volume

[stiff delta]

whats this silksong you are talking about

i dont either?

what is silksong

[frank obsidian]

[stiff delta]

thats pretty cool!

[frank obsidian]

[stiff delta]

when does it come out?

[frank obsidian]

holp

[grand elm]

don't pay attention to silksong
look into my eyes
it's not worth your time
the wait is temporary
any% watcher knight is eternal

[frank obsidian]

Also emray if u read this, ur tips helped my friend make our emote for our server

no

'twas intentional my friend

[stiff delta]

no one knows basically anything about silksong rn

it could be the sickest game ever

it could totally blow lmao

[frank obsidian]

Someone ping me if something cool happens IGTG eat dinner

[stiff delta]

okay

[frank obsidian]

ty

[grand elm]

wow photograph just made a cool joke that is cool enough to ping

zote is my idol

[vocal dove]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[knotty vigil]

after trying to get comfypogo for 20 minutes i already hate the sound that the spores make

im gonna need to learn eventually

[stiff delta]

good mentality

[knotty vigil]

I DID IT

ik it's not that impressive but im still happy with it

[stiff delta]

Good job!

[knotty vigil]

and i just did it again

you guys were right, it's SO much easier than it looks

my biggest problem is the spore getting stuck on the lip, idk how to avoid that

[hearty adder]

probably you moving too soon/too late, causing it to get stuck

[knotty vigil]

ah

[hearty adder]

can you record yourself? that way we'll be able to tell more clearly

[knotty vigil]

i actually find it easier to go for 2 casts instead of 3 cause that way it doesn't explode before i can pogo it

if you look closely it bounces off the lip and doesn't go as far

[analog monolith]

too far to the left

need to move back right before the first fireball

i think

[knotty vigil]

yeah i always forget to do that

[wind spear]

I've successfully completed, and had it verified, my Any% - Current Patch NMG run. I was wondering if there was someone specific who I should ask about getting the discord rank. Sorry if I'm being a bother

[analog monolith]

nah just post the link and ask for the role

ask nicely tho

[wind spear]

The link? To the leaderboards, or to the recording

[analog monolith]

to the src link

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/yd92ngvz like so

(this is your run)

[wind spear]

Oh right on! And do I ask for it here, or somewhere else?

[analog monolith]

here

[stiff delta]

<@&284848710960021504>

hook them up

[analog monolith]

or if you feel uncomfortable with that like dm a mod

[wind spear]

I guess it's alright here, just didn't want to bother 'em y'know. They're pretty busy people

[analog monolith]

indeed. not a bother though ^^

[knotty vigil]

im really hoping mine gets verified, idk why but having a blue name is very enticing to me

[stiff delta]

It is cool ngl

[knotty vigil]

does the blue name stay for other channels or just the speedrunning ones

[stiff delta]

its a server role so you get it everywhere in the server

[grizzled maple]

Its server wide

[stiff delta]

snail gg

[knotty vigil]

damn that's awesome

[grizzled maple]

It only exists to keep casuals out of the speed channels

[neon island]

It is enticing to many

It is like a rite of passage

[grizzled maple]

Because most people have no idea what this section is for

[wind spear]

Oh, I'm colorful now. Thanks!

[stiff delta]

how to get 5 hours cheevo?

[grizzled maple]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[grizzled maple]

Smh tk

[stiff delta]

i dont play on steam i cant read that guide

[grizzled maple]

You know. Im surprised I havent seen that one before

[stiff delta]

innovation that excites

[knotty vigil]

i just got another epogo!

[stiff delta]

lfg

[knotty vigil]

its getting way easier

and i just did it for the first time without taking damage

but the sound of taking two masks of damage will forever be ingrained into my brain and will haunt my dreams

[hot latch]

F i n a l l y i d i d i t

First speedrun pog, idk how to screenshot the splits for y'all

[maiden bane]

alt + printscreen works on windows to capture the window in focus

then paste it into a channel

[hot latch]

Oh heck i have it small for the splits but here's the frame

Thank you btw

Everything that could go wrong in a run went wrong

it was great

Except for QG skip surprisingly, i got it first try somehow

[knotty vigil]

cool! did you record it?

[hot latch]

Yes! it's currently being uploaded, I was worried because i recorded in mkv but apparently youtube accepts that, I was wondering how i would go about submitting to src though?

[knotty vigil]

there should be a "submit run" button on src

and from there it's pretty straight foreward

[hot latch]

Alrighty, sounds easy enough, thank you!

[knotty vigil]

also don't fill in milleseconds

[hot latch]

Oh alright, I already have an account so i think it should be pretty easy, Thank you again!

[knotty vigil]

i just got 5 epogos in a row!!!

im getting way better at it

i was told not to

i think it's only for top place tiebreakers or something

i could be wrong though

[hot latch]

Oh, I'll put them just to be safe

[stiff delta]

you dont have to

milliseconds are for like path of pain

In like top 3

[hot latch]

152nd place pog, thank you guys! i submitted it

[dapper cove]

i'm pretty close to last in every cat i've submitted

that being 2 cats lmao i'm last and second to last

[knotty vigil]

im getting really good at epogo, i think i'm ready to try a run with it

im at like 70% consistency

[stiff smelt]

how do you chat in any% room?

[dapper cove]

you need to have the speedrunner role

[stiff smelt]

oh ok. i thought you needed to just submit a run

[modest scarab]

You have to ask a moderator to give you speedrunning roul

To get a speedrunner roul you have to have a verified run

[stiff smelt]

oh ok. i have a verified but its not urgent i get put in. i was just wondering how it worked

[ivory vapor]

why can I not send messages in most of the speedrunning chats?

[modest scarab]

Btw congrats on sub 50

[stiff smelt]

thank you!

[ivory vapor]

also, I recently started on any% nmg and can do through mothwing cloak with relatively good efficiency. Is there anyways to get better other than watching fireb0rns runs and such

ok

I have but I meant other than watching other people runs and stuff like if theres any tips

I figured not but just wanted to check

ok lol

[true palm]

fire has a guide, vysuals has a guide

recommend just segment grinding

randomizers are a great way to get good at the game in general without grinding a single category

[ivory vapor]

ok cool thanks

Yeah I have a randomizer playthrough rn

at the dreamers

[stiff smelt]

ya i liked practicing with debug a lot too

using save states and all that

[true palm]

as for just learning category, i recommend learning the route at a minimal level, ie you have it memorized and know how to do everything, do some runs, and then look at individual segment times, see what needs the most work and go from there

making a spreadsheet will help for efficient practice

as you can see, my time is best spent practicing thk for instance, and not grinding low% pogaxe

point isnt just practice, its efficient practice

and you arent going to get that without a baseline to work from

[stiff smelt]

very true. thats good advise

i should check my splits i was slow on in my sub 50 and try to fix some of those

[true palm]

its not realistic to grind out your any% vs to a 3:30 for instance, if you could already have a run done by the time you get there

so practice the route, memorize it, learn the skips, learn general room movement, do some runs, and then segment grind, do runs, segment grind rinse and repeat

[ivory vapor]

ok another question

when I open HK I need to go windowed for livesplit to show up on top of it

is there a fix for that?

[dapper cove]

how is your recording set up?

[true palm]

if you check speedrun.com, they have a livesplit guide which covers how to set your game to windowed borderless

[ivory vapor]

ok thank you

[true palm]

the other option is to open livesplit while hollow knights still launching, but if you alt tab itll get covered again

[stiff smelt]

i think fireborn shows it a bit too

[ivory vapor]

could you try to find me a link please? I cant find it

[hearty adder]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/cg9vl

in the FAQ

[knotty vigil]

just did my second run, if i had a way to record and submit id be in 22nd place for switch any%

how much time does queens gardens acid skip and taking that route save opposed to beating mantis lords and going to herrah from there?

[stiff delta]

thats like

[ivory vapor]

it simply says to go to windowed borderless but I cant switch off of fullscreen other than altenter

[hearty adder]

you can go to deepnest through the room next to sporeshroom

[stiff delta]

maybe the slowest way to go about it

[hearty adder]

fighting mantis lords would take a very long time

[stiff delta]

yea do the deepnest through the area by moss prophet

thats the tried and true safe strat, only loses 40 seconds

[hearty adder]

Did you read the bit about your steam settings too?

[hearty adder]

at least that's loadless time i assume, i dunno how much it'd lose on switch/rta

[stiff delta]

does deepnest route have more loads overall?

[short spire]

i think deepnest route has longer rooms in general

[knotty vigil]

oh ill try to memorise that route to herrah, i only did lords bc its the one I've memorized

[short spire]

at least the ones that are actually in deepnest

maybe not tho, the qg arena one is pretty long as well

[stiff delta]

thats true

[knotty vigil]

i got a 1hr 37m 48s which im hella proud of

[stiff delta]

i mean optimally it would just come down to "how many transitions do i walk through"

[knotty vigil]

why does pogoing off of a moss charger thats been knocked off a platform not work? is it just an oversight in the code or what?

also, i killed mossy boi for the geo, was that worth it or did that waste time

[stiff delta]

big moss charger

?

the massive big one

[knotty vigil]

ye

[stiff delta]

were you getting extra pickups?

like upgrade nail and stuff

[knotty vigil]

i only did upgrade nail cuz it was close to how to get to lemm, but otherwise i only bought shamans as a charm

i have no idea about most of the routing, i was sorta just doing my own thing

[stiff delta]

you should check out the main route

[knotty vigil]

that would probably help

[stiff delta]

its the same as any% current patch nmg just a little worse because switch

or watch mathulu's switch wr, its pretty sick

[knotty vigil]

ill try to remember that next time i have the motivation to do a run, thanks y'all

also

[stiff delta]

showcases the strat of getting spore shroom, which you do if you do safe strat to get to deepnest

[knotty vigil]

whats the difference between current patch any% (on pc) and switch any%

[stiff delta]

nothing really

console is timed rta

pc timed loadless

[knotty vigil]

then why are the wr so different

i used igt to determine my time btw

[stiff delta]

otherwise yea switch is just objectively worse lmao

ah

the igt kinda sucks ngl

[knotty vigil]

how so?

[stiff delta]

some all skills runs come out at like 7s

[short spire]

the igt is just inaccurate in every way

you should basically just ignore it

[stiff delta]

but yea its really inconsistent, so real time is used, starting at file/difficulty select and ending at the fade to black

[knotty vigil]

so how do i time it

rta?

(this is what i meant by my previous message btw)

how do i time that, i have a shitty laptop but idk if that would skewer the time

[desert kiln]

wait a second can you crystal dash off air if you have wallcling storage?

[stiff delta]

you can just look at how long the video is

[knotty vigil]

i know but i was doing that for demonstration

[short spire]

while the moss charger is in the crawling back into the ground animation it doesn't have the property that causes nail knockback on you when you hit it

[knotty vigil]

ah

[short spire]

so sideslashes wont knock you back and pogos wont pogo

so basically just an oversight yeah

presumably anyway

[knotty vigil]

i cant record bc i dont have a capture card, and if i play the game on my pc it runs at like 20fps

[stiff delta]

you can record with a phone

[knotty vigil]

you can?

[stiff delta]

and if you want to submit to leaderboards you will need a recording

[short spire]

just manually start a timer when you start the run and then end the timer when the run ends

[stiff delta]

yea as long as its watchable and you can hear the audio

[knotty vigil]

oh ok

ill do that next run ig

thanks lol

i just had a weird glitch where the knight didn't do the jump animation but i wasn't recording :/

[stiff delta]

🍝

[knotty vigil]

is that something that happens sometimes?

[short spire]

wym, like did you get the walking animation in the air or what

[knotty vigil]

no just the standing animation

[short spire]

probably just airwalk

that can happen if you jump near ledges

[knotty vigil]

for future reference, is airwalk a major glitch or anything?

[short spire]

nah youre good

[knotty vigil]

ok

[short spire]

it's even utilised in a couple spots

[knotty vigil]

how?

[short spire]

to get another dash in the air

if you dash out of that state the game will think you dashed off of the ground

and therefore will let you dash another time in the air

[ivory vapor]

did they patch the insta balder clear at the entrance to green path?

[short spire]

yes

[true palm]

grab extra soul in the elevator

if you enter with full you only need one baldur spit

[ivory vapor]

yeah ik

I was just checking to make sure I wasnt screwing up the glitch

and that it was patched

[true palm]

y'all dont need to do the fireball skip so thats cool at least

[ivory vapor]

I get to greenpath in ;like 6:50

which fireball skip?

[true palm]

the one right after the baldur

right before greenpath

[ivory vapor]

oh yeah

the three second one?

[true palm]

yup

[ivory vapor]

I always screw up the one to get to hornet tho

[true palm]

ye its a little tight

[ivory vapor]

like when she first appears

the second fireball skip is way easier for me

luckily the first one u can pull up the little fly and pogo so its not too bad

[true palm]

the last one also has man pogo which isnt that bad

[knotty vigil]

have we tested if epogo still works on the newest patch(the one in public beta)

[ivory vapor]

epogo?

[knotty vigil]

explosion pogo

[true palm]

yup

[knotty vigil]

the one where you pogo off the shroom spore

[true palm]

the only big changes are no crystal guardian cheese, no spore shroom, and idr the last but it was minor

also its going to be an optional patch

[stark birch]

almost all the speedtech behaves exactly like 1432 on the beta patch, with the exception of dashmaster working better and inventory hardfall cancels (not drops, just ending your hardfall a little early after you've landed) being patched out

and what cynicism said lol

[true palm]

you'll be able to select being on patch 1.4 from the beta options so it wont really affect us

[knotty vigil]

yeah im probably gonna keep going for 1432 once it comes ouit if it has it's own catagory

[true palm]

as it stands it wont even have a separate category, we'll just change cp to 1.4+

[knotty vigil]

really?

[stark birch]

^that's not 100% confirmed yet, but that is still very much on the table

[true palm]

not confirmed but thats what i've been gathering as most likely

[ivory vapor]

thats nice

[true palm]

point remains that 1.4 will still be accessible

without needing to downpatch

[knotty vigil]

that's nice

[true palm]

not sure whats going to happen to console, if consoles even getting the patch

[hearty adder]

i'd assume they will

[true palm]

ye idk this patch is a little weird though

and didnt consoles get an extra patch too?

porting issues apply as well

[stark birch]

some but not all consoles got a 1.4.3.3 with no major differences to the tech

[true palm]

either way it doesnt matter too much since consoles a separate category but since mathulus switch record would be patched out might mkae a difference

[vocal dove]

why does hitting the record button make me play bad?

[true palm]

cuz hollow knights spooky

and knows youre recording

and adds input lag because of it

[vocal dove]

i need to ignore the pressure that recording adds

[molten aurora]

Just record whenever you play and eventually the pressure will go away.

[vocal dove]

laughing at myself because this issue applies to playing music too

but thats good advice

[true palm]

i think its mostly because once you hit the record button you get a little pysched out from feeling like you cant make mistakes and have to get things the first try

the time stress applies to me

[vocal dove]

yeah its like exactly that

and then i go messing up early game over and over

[true palm]

its like fuck i have 2 hours to run, better pb on this try or i wont have time

and then 20 minutes later i make it out of kp

i'd focus on getting a baseline no reset run

just accept that your first run wont reflect where you're really at

[vocal dove]

good idea, just gotta get a run on the board. and then its just easy improvement after that.

[true palm]

yup thats what i did with low%

died like 5 times to wk but i was just like i need to start somewhere

[quiet saddle]

Finished a 1:08 run today, so I empathize lmao

thanks! :)

[stuck compass]

Can I have the speedrunner role? Here's my run: https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/yw078g0m

[molten aurora]

I finally got uumuu 1 cycle consistent (outside of extra attacks)

[tired oxide]

Hey, can I get the speedrunner role? my run is at: https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes/run/zp3v37xm

[molten aurora]

<@&284848710960021504>

[ionic cargo]

eyy skurry

[tired oxide]

Thanks ^-^

[stray kestrel]

also dimros there too

[patent warren]

If i want to submit a run to speedrun.com and im playing on pc but on the microsoft version of hollow knight, i still have to choose pc, right?

[molten aurora]

Yup.

[patent warren]

Okay thanks

[molten aurora]

Gotta love when my internet can't handle uploading a 20mb clip to discord.

Do youtube videos embed if you post em on discord?

[limpid ruin]

yea, if you do <link-url-here> with the <> around it doesnt tho

[molten aurora]

Okay cool, guess I'm uploading it to YT then.

This question was supposed to be quick

[limpid ruin]

🥴

cant you upload it straight here tho?

[molten aurora]

.

It just fails every time I attempt it.

[limpid ruin]

i though all the boosts in hkmain let it do so. Timeout bc slow internet then maybe

oh yea sorry, i saw that, just confused in spite of it

[molten aurora]

I don't think slow quite describes this

[ionic cargo]

[molten aurora]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA1b3TvKQ70&feature=youtu.be

Okay, so my last fireball will rarely not double hit and I'm not sure what the reason is. Does anyone know why?

[limpid ruin]

you shot your first fb LATE

like usually i fire my second one to double by the time you shot your first 🥴

[molten aurora]

Oh okay, I knew my timing was a little off, but I didn't think it was a big enough error to cause that, thanks.

[hot latch]

Hey small question, I can't use transparency on my live split cuz the filter will kill my cpu, I was wondering if showing all these splits at once covers too much of the screen for verification

[lucid stirrup]

i think you should be fine, although, if you wanna make it a little better you can go to layout settings and click on splits and click the down arrow so make it so less splits show up at once

[hot latch]

Alrighty, I'll test my fate and keep it, thank you! I had it so that it scrolled down but i like to be able to see it all at once ya know?

[lucid stirrup]

yeah that makes sense

[limpid ruin]

id recommend trying to make it a not game fullscreen layout when no transparency filter

that way you guarantee full game view at all times, reducing chances of the splits to invalidate anything

having runs invalidated by layouts is one of the worst feelings, can confirm that much

[dry sluice]

yeah, definitely a much safer approach to just not have livesplit over the game if its not transparent

[elfin vortex]

Would a run played on parallels desktop be valid? Im asking this cuz livesplit's autosplit doesnt work on mac through WINE and bootcamp keeps giving me a could not partition error

[molten aurora]

Would there me any issues with my binding two separate keys to the same bind (ie dash), I can't imagine there would be, just figured I'd ask though.

[limpid ruin]

im not sure exactly what you mean, not used to mac things, but i assume the livesplit load remover dont work either then? or can you get footage with that still?

you can have as many keys to one function as you want, only one function to each key tho @ goose

[elfin vortex]

Basically since livesplit is an exe the only way I can run it is through WINE but the problem is that while most of it works, the autosplitter and its related features do not

[limpid ruin]

[analog monolith]

then unfortunately you might have to record realtime instead of gametime. human start/stop isn't accurate enough to do gametime

[molten aurora]

Cool, ty, I just want a 2nd bind on my mouse for dash, because my left pinky isn't great for mashing out of transitions.

[analog monolith]

unless you can get the autosplitter working somehow

[analog monolith]

hold up

mouse???

[molten aurora]

What's wrong with mouse?

[analog monolith]

nothing

just

i have never heard of anyone playing a 2d platformer

with a mouse

[limpid ruin]

i dont see why doing it on parallels desktop (assuming the livesplit works there) wouldnt be allowed as long as you can capture game audio and game visuals. May be forceed to use RTA/realtime for timing tho

[elfin vortex]

I can have it working through use of parallels desktop but im unsure if its legal for runs. Also if any fellow mac user could assist me in bootcamp it would be greatly appreciated

[limpid ruin]

mouse is all cool, it helps with comfy split of the arms

[molten aurora]

Haha, I only use mouse for nail and quick cast, everything else is on my left hand.

[analog monolith]

dang

weird af but go off

lol

[molten aurora]

I know it's weird, but it's super comfortable for me, except for the one case of not being able to mash dash fast enough.

[analog monolith]

mm

if you have a third mouse button you could def use that. there aren't any rules against binding multiple keys to the same action

[limpid ruin]

mashing dash D:

[analog monolith]

just you can't have a fireball skip macro or anything

[molten aurora]

I have 15 mouse buttons

[analog monolith]

[molten aurora]

Haha, just out of transitions, the timing for dashing is really easy. (Though I did used to mash all the time )

[elfin vortex]

Sorry if I wasnt clear enough but parallels is a Virtual Machine on mac which allows you to use windows

[digital jewel]

Run the game and Livesplit on the vm?

[elfin vortex]

Yh

But is it legal

(In runs)

[hot latch]

(It's late so i'm not gonna ping but thank you cerp2u!!)

[honest folio]

has anyone had the issue of Livesplit not starting on 1221 before? My livesplit only wants to start when i get into a game if i have DebugMod on it

[somber cedar]

can't imagine why it wouldn't be, as long as autosplit works and game performance isn't abysmal (and even then, legality would be the least of your problems)

[lucid stirrup]

one reason this can happen is if you open LS when the game is already open, otherwise not sure

[elfin vortex]

Mhm. Also yh the performance is abysmal now that I've tried it. Guess ima have to find a way to fix the bootcamp issue

[honest folio]

wait, really? i thought you had to open livesplit AFTER you launch the game, not before

i'll try that out

[lucid stirrup]

er wait

i said that wrong

open LS after game, not before, mb

[deep kernel]

My any% NMG run has been verified and I was wondering if I could get the speedrunner role? (Driko68 on Speedrun.com)

[onyx spade]

link your run on src

[molten aurora]

If you can link the run here the mods can do their thing.

[honest folio]

i see, well ty anyways

[deep kernel]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/y9nq3ekz This is it

[molten aurora]

<@&284848710960021504> the mods are gonna be sick of me before long

[grand elm]

by the way yesterday during any% cp practice i got a damageless cycle on the cdash room, which looked exactly like the usual damage tanking strat except i didn't get hit by the first laser
is there a consistent setup for it or did i just get lucky ?

[digital jewel]

https://clips.twitch.tv/SparklyMoistPotatoFailFish-T4cHALM7xAT1ToHQ

it's consistent

runners for longer categories tend to do it

to conserve hp

[grand elm]

nah it wasn't like this

here you wait for the laser you usually tank to expire then dash, when i got it i arrived before that laser even went off

[digital jewel]

oh

can you send a clip then?

[grand elm]

i wasn't recording sadly

i'll see if i can do it again with obs on later today

[digital jewel]

the cycle for those lasers starts when you're quite far away from them

so your movement through the room affects the cycle

probably you waited long enough for the laser to fade

rather than going so fast that your arrived before it started

but if it is the latter I would be interested to see the movement

[grand elm]

possible but wouldn't that change the other laser cycles as well ?

[bright grotto]

so... this is a total meme and was so worth testing for... but... It IS possible and has been done... right now... in under 3 hrs... a "BENCHLESS" true ending speedrun

[old obsidian]

lmao bless

[grand elm]

the only difference is what, you can't equip charms and can't setup any quitout points manually ?

[molten aurora]

This might be a dumb question, but can even get void heart without benching?

[digital jewel]

no you can't

well

not glitchless

lol

[last inlet]

yeah i think it's a benchless* speedrun

[digital jewel]

benchless* (with benches)

[last inlet]

i think it's just (with bench)

[molten aurora]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[grand elm]

almost benchless speedrun

just go pantheon ending, no need for void heart ez fix

[last inlet]

you still need voidheart to enter p5

the only ending you can get benchless nmg is the any% ending

[grand elm]

oh hecc

[digital jewel]

if you didn't need voidheart to enter p5 we could skip it in 112%

[wide stratus]

Anyone have tips for vengeful spirit jumps, I can't reach the hornet jump, do I just practice or is there something I'm missing?

[molten aurora]

Use quick cast.

[glad lark]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/zp3d2onm
<@&284848710960021504> Here is my verified run page, thanks.

[wide stratus]

Ohhh

So rb right?

On controller

[molten aurora]

I don't use controller, but I pretty sure it's rb yeah.

[wide stratus]

Ok thanks!

[molten aurora]

Even with quick cast though, it's a hard trick, you will need a fair bit of practice to get it down.

[wide stratus]

Hmm ok

[glad lark]

thanks

[strange gale]

I get paralysed every time i try to menu drop

am i doing something wrong?

[jagged vault]

What do you mean by paralyzed?

Hardfall?

[strange gale]

i cant move after i do it

[jagged vault]

You have bench storage

It’s a glitch where the game thinks you’re still on a bench

Are you in debug mod?

[strange gale]

yeds

[jagged vault]

Always get off a bench before loading a savestate

If you’re on it you’ll get bench storage

[strange gale]

damn

[jagged vault]

And if you open your inventory yiu get stuck

[strange gale]

so i have to bench every time before i try it?

[jagged vault]

When you have bench storage

No

Just step off a bench before savestatung

[strange gale]

alright

[jagged vault]

So that you’re not on a bench

[strange gale]

ty

[knotty vigil]

So What are you recording Runs with?

[limpid dust]

Obs

Easy to use free and good performance

[knotty vigil]

Thanks!

[bright grotto]

so actually... the trick we figured out was that there are 2 particular points in the run where savequitting "forces" you onto a bench regardless of whether or not you "sat" on one actively. And we abused that to equip kingsoul and shaman stone.

• first one is JUUUUST after leaving the vengeful spirit room
• second on is just after seeing the "GODHOME" text on screen once you simply enter godhome

We technically never manually set any spawnpoints that the game just doesn't do anyways, and we never interacted with a bench in any way. Would this still be considered okay?

[jagged vault]

Yeah hardsaves are a loophole here for sure

[hallow orchid]

Grey mourner hardsave also puts you on a bench. I'm not sure of any others

[soft briar]

Hey guys! Not to brutally stop the current conversation but for some reason I can't perform the baldur instakill in 1432. Any help?

[hallow orchid]

Oh black egg temple as well

[normal aspen]

its patched

[hallow orchid]

^

Doesn't work on current patch

[soft briar]

well fuck

what is mine?

oh

wrong chat?

[jagged vault]

Yeah lol

[soft briar]

XD

[jagged vault]

Happens

[rare quiver]

Hello!
Can anyone help me with mantis pogo? I really struggle with it.

In 1.2.2.1

[old sphinx]

https://youtu.be/HLaYY7BhzO4

[rare quiver]

Yeah that's the tactic I use but I can't get consistent at it. Maybe it's just timing.

Oh

I always forgot to dash after hitting the lever lol

Ty for the help!

[patent laurel]

im trying to install the debug mod for the first time but i dont know where the modding api for 1.2.2.1 is. I looked https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1CeAvoiU5Ijj3iSf5Z_jstZxn4baVtRqT here but theres only 1.4.3.2 there. Any help would be appreciated.

[last inlet]

#resources message

[patent laurel]

thank so much!

[vocal dove]

finally fixed my 1221 game, hornet kept turning invisible. psa: remember to run the steam patcher before pasting the command y'all.

[frank obsidian]

I mean I want to downpatch but it seems too confusing so imma just not lol

[vocal dove]

1. run steam patcher
2. paste command into steam console
3. create text file
   4.????
4. profit

[neon island]

Downpatching is very worth if both your computer can handle 1221 and if you like all the speed tech used

I’d personally recommend that you downpatch but if it is too confusing, that’s completely understandable

[young sun]

is cdash a hard save?