#speedrunning
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That won't go well
I am trying to get sub 44, did you use any inventory drops in your pb run?
Both fireball skips or just 1
both
I fail 2nd one most of the time
i don't even go for the second, i go for the backup on the other side
annd i missed it as well
Yeah i do too after i fail it lol
the only run i submitted i forgot to capture the main menu at the start so the run was invalidated
should have payed more attention when reading the rules hehe
from personal experience if you're making the first but not the second fireball skip you likely need to jump later for the second
it's not quite as important on the first bc there's no platform above you on that skip
i suck a lot at fireball skips for some reason
let me see if i still have one somewhere
nop
i've been using triple fireball setups a lot recently, and i struggle way less with it
but it also means i can't go for the fireball skip after
the second fireball skip only saves 2 seconds over the backup
if you can make the first consistently with 3, it's better to fireball skip there and do the backup than fail it, get the squit backup and make the second
especially if you aren't consistent at the second fireball skip
sloppy run cause I died at wk and forgot to sit at dirtmouth bench but overall quite happy with the result, especially THK
Bottom % yust reach the lowest part of the map
As fast as posible
So get the kingsoul and go to the brithpace
no
That’s called True Ending NMG
except without the fun bit at the end
Bottom% is just kill Xero
When ur on PB pace but u forgot to plug in ur computer 🥴
Okay let's say hypothetically I record my zoomies while streaming on Discord to my boi Warlordofdawest. As long as I dont have a capture for Discord set up on OBS, you won't hear him critiquing my every movement input, right?
Yes you would
Obs is capturing the pc audio as a whole
If you wanna capture only a specific source's, you'd need another program
having discord buddies is fine as long as they have an appropriate volume
like pop world record has Schy and Gwonkee chatting
cool
This is good to know, I like streaming to my friends and haven't figured out how twitch works yet
Or even if my computer will agree to twitch stream
new src mods pog
congrats doveless and 56
ok so for some reason obs isnt capturing hk
In sources, make sure you're using 'game capture'.
game capture or window capture don't really matter, but it should be one of those
also, if you're doing game capture, make sure that you launch hk before any other application that are reading video buffer (such as riva tuner statistics server, for example)
Window capture only works if the game is windowed though right? Because I know window capture doesn't work for me.
You can set a specific game display that only can show Hollow knight, you have to have it running in the background when you're setting it
Via game capture
window capture works for fullscreen windows for me
Yea but if you close the game while you're streaming wont it turn the screen black ?
Or show your desktop ?
if I close the game when I'm streaming, it will turn the screen black. But when I open the game again it'll capture it just fine
I guess it works for you, with game capture it wont turn black though
I think they mean minimising it during a run
During a run or when streaming
minimizing the game during the run will just freeze the frame you're minimizing on, it won't turn the screen black in my case
Oh ok
it also doesn't matter if the game is windowed
yeah
You can do both then
yes we are
I might sound dumb ^^" but what does it do ?
Hey, can anyone help me understand what I'm doing wrong in my mantis pogo?
you want to hit the lever sooner
ie with a smaller jump
the mantis is getting too close to you so you can't pogo off it
gotcha, thank you 
Enorax I love you I was also stuck there 0-0
Hi guys! I started playing Hollow Knight a few months ago and I really want to speedrun it (I don't want to go for an hour or even less, under 10 hours would be more than enough). I prepared the timer using LiveSplit, I watched some speedruns and stuff like that, there's only one thing: my pc is soooooo fucking slow. Also i probably won't be able to use OBS because my 8 year old pc would explode. So, I have two questions: first, are there any recording programs that don't require a God-Tier pc? Second, are there any mods or anything I can do to make Hollow Knight go faster? (Of course if these mods aren't allowed in speedruns I'm not going to use them)
Well, OBS doesn't really require god-tier pc, so your options are very limited 
Are you playing on current patch?
try recording at a lower resolution
yes, it's 1.4.3.2 right?
I figure you could use something like fraps to record your whole screen if you can't find a solution at all
i don't even have it but they would be the lowest possible
Recording with a phone or camera is also acceptable
You can also disable Vsinc and particles if you didn't do that (in the game)
I want my recordings to be a little decent to make them viable
Phone or camera recordings can be decent, many people use those
i'll think about it then
what does exacly Vsinc do? Just for curiosity
It's a thing that prevent a rare display bug that could happen if your monitor has a good refresh rate but you don't have enough Fps. If you have like 15 fps and a good monitor it could make the game display weird for like one or two frames, but I find it playable without.
It synchronise the framerate and the refresh rate of your monitor
Yea
generally vsync is going to make hk run smoother if you have a terrible pc, tho
Depends because if he got a good monitor and low fps then I'll do nothing.
Vsync can only lower Fps to match the refresh rate soo
it'll be better than having no limiter
definitely get rivatuner and cap your fps tho
Oh thanks ! (I play on controller though)
where can I find it? It would be cool to have it
Yea, Fire-ball skips are fairly easy with a controller, I heard that with a keyboard it was super hard
thank you!
well the reason it's not a problem on controllers is that the analog stick or dpad are each just one complete piece
so it's physically impossible to hold opposite directions
only on some uncommon 3rd-party controllers will you find separate buttons for the dpad
also socd cleaner is under #resources
That's fortunate
Does anyone have some tips for someone who wants to start speedrunning on ps4?
ps4 runs current patch and 60fps, so current patch resources are what you want
60fps also means you can use vsync explosion pogo without changing any settings, so you are all good there
i recommend you run any%, as it will be the most cohesive and easiest to learn on current patch
if you go to speedrun.com you can find lots of great resources
as for some differences for running console:
- you dont have access to livesplit which is the timer pc runners use. however your times will be compared other ps4 runners so you're all good there. in addition, timing starts on file select
- for recording, you can record your tv with your phone, no need for a capture card, as long as game audio is there and you can see the gameplay
- console doesnt have access to as many practice tools, but i'd look into learning how to backup saves to the cloud so you can use them for practice
Ok I think I understood. Thank you 🙂
socd cleaner is pinned in #resources , just download it from releases page
When ur on track to get a good AS CP run, you get to Hornet 2 with 2 hrs, and finally give up at 3 
RIP 4 hours
I've been following that but I can't find if there is any info if there is an error, so just can't progress + don't wanna do the other version of downgrading because of the reason listed in that post.
wdym you don't want to do the other version?
Is there any way to get consistent constant DPS on winged nosk, his hitbox is so scuffed and it just ends all my good paces
When I first got to P5, SoB was pretty easy to get down constantly. Winged Nosk? Harder than abs Rad for a while
Talking about p5 speedruns
It's not hard, it's just annoying since he just flies to the other side of the room every attack and flies away from you
I can't speak for fury strats but in 112 I've found that incorporating a lot more shrieks is helpful
you can go for doubles with shade soul and get three nail slashes in on each sweep attack
but I find shriek after nail hits to be better. If you need more nail swings because fury strats I'm not sure
Ic
The post says it's awkward and has dependencies, was hoping I wouldn't have to do it
but if the first version doesn't work I'll bite the bullet
what was the problem exactly with the first version
Mentioned in my previous post, the problem is that the Depot Download keeps failing, error writing chunk in the Stream Console.
do you have room on your hard drive?
Yeah
does it fail immediately?
New AllSkills Current Patch NMG WR! By valgnatev! 57m 04s!
eyy 

Congrats to valgnatev! 

now I'm even more sad for missing 56, because 56 verified my run 
56 will you verify my run if I get 56? 👀
gotta get a 56 in 4ms now
lfggg
Absolutely destroyed the 19 

I failed collector and WD skip so theres more room for improvement
wp hunt 
whats WD
white defender
oh lol
i missed his scream skip which is important for him cus hes bulky
yeah collecter scream skip is so important you can take like 1/3 of his health
Hello! I would like the speedrunner role please, I have a verified All Skills run.
Please link it here
Oh ok
What the heck did I just do?
nice mms
console?
Didn't think it was possible on console
why would it be impossible on console, it's TC we're talking about 
Okay, I think I got rid off it, back to resetting early game
I thought that part was possible but you couldn't do the next part where you select the new file because cursor
yeah
It doesn't, it goes for a minute, then fails.
any chance I could g et a speedrunning tag so I could chat in the sr channels?
i see
yes thank you
❤️
I recently downpatched to 1221, and steam is having trouble recognizing my switch controller. it can read my directional inputs from the controller, but is forcing me to use the keyboard to do actions (jump, slash, etc.) has anyone else run into this problem?
switch pro controller isn't natively supported on patches before godhome; if you want to play the game on an earlier patch you need to use a program like joy2key to bind your switch controls to keyboard inputs
I used to use switch controller and have never had that specific thing happen
But yeah, switch pro wasn't supported back then
Do both of the files in this zip just go in Mods?
#resources message
thank you ❤️
Yes Rhino
Is there anyway to keep the splitlist for livesplit without having the timer visible
I want to use the autosplitter for hitless runs, but I have no use for the timer
and it kind of sucks to see a bunch of red splits
Yep, you can just remove the "Timer" component in the Layout settings in LiveSplit
there's a hit counter program that hitless runners use
that's not livesplit
maybe this is more your thing
I couldn't find a way to make HitCounter split automatically
The splits still have a timer on them
oh yeah there's no way to have autosplit
just set all your golds to 0 or something and then change the color idk
benji what you can do is override the colour so that everything is the same
ahead, behind, whatever
Yeah I could try that, thanks
and then on obs you could just crop out the left portion
i mean right
so you could just move it up like this i guess
and then not have the bottom section
Yeah, the only downside is the counter number is also on the far right
but maybe I can move that
Trying to find the option for cropping a window capture in OBS
Haha, I died in ismas after getting the tear, so I had to do the spike tunnel again to get my shade.
As I said, really dumb time loss 
I honestly think just leaving my shade in there for the rest of the run might have been smarter.
oh yeah that's a fat rip
this may be dumb of me to ask but if you knew you were about to die couldn't you have SQ?
leaving the shade would mean you wouldn't have geo for bv bench
you never intend to die, and s&q is always timeloss so 
I didn't realise I was gonna die, I got trapped by pufferfish.
yes but i don't mean if he intended to die, i meant more if he saw that death was imminent
gotcha
that happened to me once at ismas
But yeah I could have s&q, but it only would have saved around 30s running all the way back from lurien was the big time loss.
i was on two hearts at the final room before grabbing ismas
i made the jump, my shade was there, and my shade + a hwurmp knocked me into the acid
so i got double hit and lost everything
you were there for that actually
now that i think about it
Yeah, I remember that, that was a really sad death.
it hurt so much
Oh yeah true, I forgot geo is a thing after WK, because I usually never need to think about it again.
i had tears welling up in my eyes after that one
Ismas tears 
i wanted to quit but i wasn't about to let myself give up after getting as far into the run as i did
sure we'll call it that
Highlights of today's runs;
Got torch game during vibration storage
Got my first 1:26 KP which probably is good for console
Died to WK like six times total
vibration storage
Sometimes when I leave the FK room the screen keeps shaking, Idk why
It disappears when I enter mound
fun
You know the game is 🍝 when storage starts happening irl 
Console has a heap of timeloss before kp due to no load remover. Do we know how much time it is exactly?
fade in at 29
Imagine having to wait 30s before each attempt then just resetting at kp 
Around 200 resets like that total
Can I record my friend's speedrun through discord screenshare and then send it to him and he submits it?

Hmmmmmmmmmm.
Like they though Steam was a computer virus at one point
okay im sorry i was just answering xero
false knight so fat that even the next room over is shaking
As opposed to 60fps and dropping almost every input like the console version usually does
Seriously, how do people main any%? This category is ass
I will never explain my split names or why I keep using Bidoof as thumbnail
I don't mind numbering them, but 'split 9' hurts me inside a little.
Split 10 is named split 10 as well
Spore Shroom split is named "Split nine point five"
I would have been happier not knowing that 
Owning a switch is great because no matter how much pc hk tilts me I know it can always get worse
Wait, can the screenshake storage not happen on PC?
This is bs, makes the console version almost unrunnable
Something tells me fixing the screenshake storage wouldn't make console runnable 
I'm living proof as to why running on the console version is a bad idea
Oh my run got approved 
Thanks Xero 
And thanks Jamie for the any% approve
I really appreciate all the love my category is getting
So are you telling me if I were to run on PC with loads my time would still improve Cuz console just is bad?
Yeah i mean its a standard .1 second delay
Nothin’ huge
Still better than stadia
Because My inputs could make it to mars before a stadia picks them up
How do you preform the fast fall?
Inventory fast fall.
Then yes pins
Explain?
Click the pin button at the top right of the chat
Oh NVM... Dumb moment
Ok. Thx.
I saw on some speedruns people could move when they fell into kings pass. How does that happen? Or is that something else?
That is different
Thats a pause for early control which is also pre lifeblood update
You pause and unpause the game quickly to gain control
Oh. Ok. Thx.
2 runs, 2 pbs 
After a week of playing like total garbage, it's nice to see I am actually making progress 
i just realized why it didn't split last time in beasts den...
i forgot to get rid of the queens garden split in the autosplitter settings
Uh
this is console kp wr
oh sorry for the ping
57.1 equivalent on computer
i completed my first recorded run!
Congrats!
also PLEASE tell me this doesn't invalidate my run
Any accidental glitches that provide no benefit, should be fine.
rule of thumb, if the glitch isnt helpful you are unlikely to be penalized, and the storage got canceled immediately
yeah i knew it probably wouldn't be bad but i still needed to confirm
im also a little hesitant to submit it cause i died TWICE in beasts den and im a little embarrassed about it
also that isnt a mjor glitch
Don't be embarrassed we all do stupid stuff in runs. Especially starting out.
I do know the feeling though 
My last 2 pbs have had deaths in them, so I'm not submitting them.
Just means timesave for next run :)
fam i think i died 5 times to watcher knights on my first submitted run
its about the journey
with all the deaths i still managed a 53:08
That's really good.
without the deaths i probably could have gotten sub 50
yeah 53:08 is still a minute better than my previous pb
but im still thinking about what could have been if i hadn't died
And next time, don't die it beasts den, easy sub 50 
true
Don't focus on what could have been, you pb'd now, and that's awesome.
thanks
(At least that's what I'm telling myself after choking 2 sun hour AS runs in a row)
Even fire, monstah, pest, all the top runners, there's always things they wont be happy about it runs, even in WRs. Downside of being a speedrunner 
a pb with something catastrophically wrong in it is great because then your next run you can make 100 mistakes and be like "yeah but I can save 2 mins in beasts den"
When starting out, finishing as many runs as possible is a really good idea, even if you have a garbage early game.
my only case where i was worried was when i accidentally slid when going down the abyss
But then something else catastophically badd happens 
Typing is hard
i'm going to be very mad if that invalidates my run though bc that was my pb in AS
even though I died three times ish in the abyss
should i submit my run? like what if i get a better time tomorrow and the verifiers have to watch another run? i don't want to waste their time
i'd still submit it
They just look at the faster run, go for it, submit it and become blue 
i don't like waiting on "what ifs" to come true
ok imma submit it now
poggg
if i can figure out how
you gotta have a recording of the run, the in game time and real time, and that's basically it
yeah i have those
(The recording must include the title screen .............)
and in the recording make sure you see the title screen
Verifiers and src mods signed up to do this, you aren’t wasting anybody’s time :)
yeah i accidentally submitted a run without the title screen bc of clipping the full stream
so i just made a new clip and submitted that
how long do i need to show the title screen for?
I submitted a run without the title screen, but it wasn't on twitch, so it was just a dead recording 
bc on the title screen you can tell if mods are being used
so the top left of the title screen is the part they want to see
and also the bottom left for the patch being used
You can tell on save and quits too, I think it might be more for the patch #
ok i have a fps counter in the top left of the screen is that ok?
just wanted to help while taking my break from homework i'm off again
Is QGA different on current patch?
Yes, this is fine, we’d still be able to see if installed mods were there
nah, its the same
damnit I thought it was the game but it's just me. It's so hard
Hypothetical here, let's say I was really dumb and forgot to record the title screen, but I realized mid run. Would it be fine to record through the credits and show it after the run, and let the verifiers know in the comments?
unfortunately no goose
No I understand ( :
unless its an IL (like pantheons, pop)
Haha, all good.
I figured as much, was just curious.
unrecorded/unverifiable pbs are unfortunate but still something to be proud of
Oh my I just practice QGA for like 30 minutes and didn't realise I didn't have C dash
If you're on current patch and taking deepnest route anyway, pick up spore shroom for thk. It only loses like 20s or so at that point (maybe even will save time for you if your thk is bad)
I'm going for like 40-45 minutes so timelosses are ok
Yeah grab spore shroom and take deepnest route if you want then it's much comfier
is it possible to submit a run without having a youtube/twitch link?
The run needs to be hosted somewhere permanent but it doesn't have to be twitch/youtube necessarily
what else could i use?
bilibili is used a bit
^
bilibili, lbry, odysse, bichute, cant think of any other major ones
But yeah also you can just upload them to yt unlisted
No src can't host videos
ill just make an unlisted yt video
Yeah that works
either way the runs going to be public to an extent, since anybody can click on your profile and watch any run you do
i think i figured it out?
you just click on that
yeah i did that just now
i think i can figure out the rest
oh god this is gonna take a while
uploading can take a while depending on internet speed dont worry about it
just dont close the tab
If upload times are an issue, you can always lower your obs setting and turn your recordings into a potato.
you can still copy the link and finish the submission process on src
im gonna wait for it to be done uploading just in case
do i need to set a date for my vid to be published or can i just leave that blank?
sorry ive never done this before
ah ok
yeahh boii menu dropping in cp
Oh, speaking of inventory dropping, do you want to close your inventory before you hit the ground? I noticed in my last run I'd get no fall animation when I did then, but If I left it open when I hit the ground, there'd be a short delay where I couldn't move.
this seems Less Than Ideal for speedrunning
you can't move for like a third of a second after pressing close inventory
that's probably what it was
usually best to close a bit before touching the ground so you can move right away
but if you close too early, you get hardfall
So as long as I close it before that 1/3 second, I should be fine, good to know.
I never realized there was more to it, I just assumed you opened your inv and that was it.
it depends on the drop, but for 90% of inventory drops in the game, you're only going low so you can move left or right later, so you want to be moving as fast as possible
you want to close your inventory as early as possible while still avoiding hardfall to gain horizontal movement in time
this applies to kingspass as well
I always opened my inventory early in kp, I just never put 2 and 2 together and thought to try that in other places. I am the big dumb 
you can save half a second to just moving right before opening inventory and closing it in time in KP
Time to learn the timing of every drop in the game to save the frames 
the most important one to do that on imo is middle drop in gruzzer room, you really dont want to hit the ledge
if you close early enough you can drop straight into the transition
Huh, that's kinda cool, I always drop on the right, middle seemed kindaa spooky.
(middle drop is superior btw, you get hit less)
Wait really?
Huh, I'll need to mess around with it then. I know if you get hit in the middle, you're screwed.
you get hit in middle almost half as much as right drop
you can pixel perfect save middle drop
but ye if you get hit in middle, specially near the top you just lose 2 seconds
I fail basic jumps sometimes, don't hit me with that pixel perfect 
its not really pixel perfect
but its tight
you have to cancel inventory early to wiggle past tik tiks
That would look really cool, I don't how I'd go attempting that though.
i mean i dont
i kind of hop between middle and rightside, its a mood based thing
but considering ax2u and pest and a lot of other top runners go for middle it does kind of suggest a trend
If I get hit on the drop down, it makes me want to reset, less of a chance getting hit sounds nice.
if you're going to reset on getting hit, moving to middle drop seems like the strat
because you get hit about half the time on right side drop
I don't actually reset, my early game is way too garbage to consider doing that, it just feels really bad.
Yeah, I always just thought it was way more risk, for not much reward, that's why I never tried it.
like you lose an extra second if you get hit and move right
in exchange for getting hit half as often
you can get double hit though after moving right
so small chance of a really sad drop
i usually aim for just slightly right of the wire in the background
but you should already middle drop for uumuu split, so not to hard to swap to middle
Yeah, middle drop for uumuu is fine, I'm used to having dash there though.
my first run got verified, now to wait for the improvement to be verified
oh yeah, i guess i could ask for the speedrunning role now
if you dont get your role soon you can @ src mods
i can wait a bit
Newm
what
eyy gusten 
112% console runs 
32:45
What a world
I'm going watching that
Tangentally related, the only other game I run also!
(That is obviously not me, ftr)
Jesus that SoB from Pest.
Sum of Pest
A couple days ago, i found a weird glitch that i somehow removed my voidheart, do you know if this was already found?
heya! I'm having this issue where the timer on livesplit doesnt start and turns red.
I'm really new to this so im probably just missing something obvious. I do have global hotkeys on tho.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Are you starting Livesplit while Hollow Knight is on the main menu?
nah, I have it open b4 opening the game
should i start it while hk is on teh main menu?
yes
ok, the timer works in the menu, but doesnt in game. It just turns blue 🤔

Hi, I have some noob questions. I'm running on a pretty old computer and struggling to record decent video, I wonder if there are settings I can tweak to improve things or do I just have to accept that my hardware isn't good enough?
I recorded this to give you an idea, I'm guessing this quality wouldn't be good enough to have a run verified 😛 https://youtu.be/5mlk6-JzyI8
Do you have particles on minimal? It seems fine until you use stuff like void dash or wings
yes, I do
at least, I have particle effects on "low", there doesn't seem to be a "minimal"?
Setting particels to low does almost nothing
Is it only the recording that sucks or is your game lagging too?
if you won't be able to find decent recording settings, you can record your screen with a phone if you have a decent enough camera
the game is okay mostly, it gets a bit laggy in the THK fight
Maybe lowering the video quality will help? I don't know much about recording so sorry if I can't help too much
no worries, thank you for trying to help 🙂 I'll try that and see if it's any better
I was gonna run elegy% but ive changed my mind and im torn between TE and 106% TE (dont want any% cause I hate devouts)
It's a little better but stilly choppy in places. I just don't know whether it's good enough to record a run that would be verified
If you're gonna run 106 I'd suggest starting with all skills since it includes a lot of skips 106 does
te is a pretty hard category but it's absolutely possible to start with if you want to
i've run any% too
regardless it's a difficult run (but dont let that put you off, it's also very fun)
havent tried 106 so i cant advise you about that
I think im gonna learn true ending because of white palace + radiance without it being too long
@tough breach Sorry to bother, but I got a run verified earlier. might need to scroll up a tiny bit or I can repost it.
ye there you go
cheers 🙂
true ending is such a fun category but be prepared to practice those bosses like, a lot!
Radiance in TE is surprisingly hard
surprisingly?
i'm personally not surprised that radiance with 5 masks nail 0 shade soul is insanely hard
i had this weird glitch, i finished the dialogue but i got stuck, the game didnt teleport me into the dream world for the dream nail, what did i do to cost this, and how do i avoid this ?
you gotta be on the ground before you start the interaction
fully grounded and stopped
Yeah it can also happen due to dashing on the slightly uneven ground there
And interracting immediately
Hey! Sorry to bother again, I got this verified run, could I have the speedrunner role, please? 
Just make sure to always stop a little bit before interacting and make sure you’re just walking
Akustor if src mods don’t see your message in a while it’s fine to ping them
Oh ok
Thanks, Red that is not blue
Lmao
red that is not blue lmao
(I’m Blue, but dumb april fools joke haha)
(ik)
want to share some of my happiness with somebody i just finished my first after 200 hours of practice
Sub 40 is a gamer time
nice!
thanks
uumuu is a shitty boy i just missed last fireball and its not 2 cycle
it was so close
200 hours of practice before a first run?
That's a lot
I would not be that pacient
do you have the steam_appid txt file
could you screenshot where your downpatched files are
What's inside the text file
what's the last asset file number in data
that should all work
you can try replacing it with mine
I don't see why yours shouldn't work though
thank you discord very useful embed
I don't think that's the problem
sharedassets391 is also the last file in my 1221 install
i had this same problem and i think i fixed it by either uninstalling main hk then reinstalling or restarting pc
silly question but are you sure you're launching the actual 1221 exe in that folder
@knotty vigil I would honestly just make the 1221 your default installation
steam can't update it if it's not your main installation
Did adding it to steam as a non steam game not work?
make it your main install by changing the name of the folder it's in to just Hollow Knight
also make sure to put it in the same drive as your other saves
which should always be steamlibrary>steamapps>common
Isn't it just Steam/steamapps/common?
havent really followed this entire conversation so might be wrong but
oh sry that might be bc its my 2nd drive
Is there any RNG in collector Scream skip in godhome?
not sure but it sucks
because sometimes it feels a bit inconsistent when getting up or when scream starts
Then you might want to downpatch again if that doesn't work
show me your entire "common" folder
yeah mbe just do it again
doesnt take too lonmg right
hold on
you've tried putting it in the same folder as your current install, changing the folder name to Hollow Knight, and launching it?
thats literally just what you need to do, that should work
make sure to change your current hk install (so the one named "Hollow Knight") to something else before changing the 1221 file to that
what happens if you launch it straight up from the folder
just the executable
like i said i haven't really followed this conversation so im sorry if you said thios already
try to launch it from steam mbe
no problem
tried doing any of these?
for now just try downpatching again
downpatching again should fix it anyways
yeah exactly this happened to me, too
so you're using depotdownloader and .net right?
speedrunning
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where can i find vengeful spirit icon for livesplit
thanks, your a homie
no worries
Ew blue, what have you done, change it back 
3 runs - 3pbs
I bled so much time throughout this run though.
no that's a real thing
Yeah, walls are very hungry.
the fireball hitbox starts behind your character facing backwards
so it can hit the wall right at the start and be stopped
I think livesplit does it automatically
But livesplit doesn't work on my operating system
pc
Yea get livesplit, it does it for you
I'm gonna start speedrunning soon probably on PC but does anyone know a good timer for linux?
i have this but havent tested it yet
suffer
Cry
lmao
is this gonna save when i turn off the pc?
I got an extra attack todaay and went from a 1 cycle to a 4 cycle because I'm a pepega 
If you save it then yes it will save
help :(
Theres a save button if you wanna be really sure
And save splits too
Done
im trying to upload a run unlisted to yt so i can submit but it's stuck processing at 99% is there a fix for this or do i just reset it?
ok
how do i make it so i can see live splits in game?
When i open the game my splits are in other tab
you have to turn fullscreen off in-game
wait, i think i have to verify my yt account in order to upload vids that are longer than 15 minutes. thats why it wasn't working
press alt + enter
is verifying a yt account difficult?
No, it's really easy.
yeah it's basically just verifying the email and doing 2FA
Yo does anyone have tips for QG skip?
Try practicing it on a wall not above acid to get the c-dash timing down. You actually have to delay it a little
Alrighty thank you, it is a bit weird timing wise lol
your c-dash will also not start if you're too high on the wall. you need to be lower than you'd think
Hmm ingeresting
u also need to wait for the dash into the wall to finish then start your c dash
im not sure where to ask this but i just got modinstaller working and i want to start learning speedruns what mods should i install?
debug mod
Debug mod would be pretty important for practice.
And Benchwarp mod for getting around quicker to places so you can practice them
ok thx ill start with those
Guys, I run PS4 and I'll give a try on PC... How can I not mix the splits for each run-on live split?
Just save your splits file as another file like any%-pc.lss
if i got a notification on my computer while running, does that ruin the run or anything?
just making sure
LETS GO
@mathulu#1444 oh, good... Ty
wp driko 
Guys probably I figured out what was the problem with my pc being fucking snail speed: it probably was my processor overheating. I use a laptop and an SSD so almost all the work my pc does goes to the processor, which isn't that powerful and doesn't have a proper dissipator or not even a dissipator in the first place. Now I'm just letting it cool down and see what happens next!
Congratulations! What place is that on the speedrun.com leaderboard?
in debug mod is there way to save and load? if not is there a diffrent mod that does that?
ok thx i just found it
qga is one of the hardest skips in any%, you want the tip of our eye to be touching the tip of the acid. you can turn on invincibility to practice on the actual qga wall without dunking in acid (if you have ismas, it will not work). Practice starting your cheart without sliding down the wall at all, and practice jumping off the wall. I personally use sound cues from the end of my dash. Overall you'll find that lower on the wall, and pressing the cdash button later, and pressing jump at the end later than you think will work better. Sorry for the ping, but i think the trick deserves a fair amount of explanation due to its difficulty. Practice not sliding down with invincibility, and then once you are no longer sliding, just practice the trick normally.
Thank you that makes sense! It's ok for the ping btw i'm never doing anything important lol, I've just been trying it with infinite health but that makes sense i'll have to try practicing like that, Thank you!!
is there a way to attack cancel? feel like speedrunners swing their nail alot faster than i do lol
you can cancel nail attack into a spell cast
but for general attacking it's just about timing
ok, thanks!
spamming is actually slower, so to get it down just practice getting in a rhythm
the nail hits have a huge buffer to them anyway so it's pretty easy to get the optimal slash timing
Any tips for Mantis Pogo?
202nd place
That's a lot deep in the classific but still a good place
How can I do inventory drop in 1.4.3.2?
While in 1.2.2.1 you just have to open inventory in midair, right?
Uh, guess I'll have to downpatch then
Actually as someone who plays cp it gets kind of easy after a while of trying it, I'm still a little inconsistent with it but i haven't been doing it long
current patch is compared to current patch (inventory drops on cp only save a collective 10 seconds)
if your motivation to downpatch is purely inventory drops you're not looking hard enough
Oh ok, what are other advantages of downpatching?
lever skips mainly, and a million other tiny room optimisations
there's a hazard warp in qg that saves around 8s I believe?
dropped inputs 
epogo
uummuu 2 cycle is dead
epogo is also on CP, just different and harder
if you ever run a darknest category weavers spawn in more annoying spots
What is epogo?
a skip where you pogo off an explosion to get to mantis Village quickly
Oh that
the explosion is pogo able on 1221 making it easier
whereas on CP you have to do a more precise lineup to only pogo the spore as its about to explode
also thk is buffed and actually quite spooky
Mmh, so basically on 1221 glitches are easier to perform?
I still need to learn epogo on cp
basically 1221 has more glitches, and all of them are easier than what 1432 does
1432 isnt THAT much harder but its definitely quite different
Another thing is 1221 is poorly optimized so if you need spare cpu then staying on cp may be better (my personal experience)
the only reasons to not downpatch is if you are 1) on a toaster 2) want less optimized categories 3) dont want to spend 2 hours to downpatch 4) plan on running a Current Patch exclusive category (such as 112)
or somehow actually enjoy current patch
I'm all of these except the 4 so yeah
We got the best toast tho 
idk people enjoy and opt into current patch all the time and the tricks arent necessary for a top time (pest is top 3 without epogo iirc)
so dont feel bad about current patch
tricks do make it faster so you should learn them
current patch also tends to be a little less consistent is the main thing, which doesnt matter unless you want a top time
i wanna ask a quick question
if i speedrun with only one mod called MoreSaves mod, does my run count?
i commonly use it so, if it doesn't count then i'm OK with uninstalling it/reverting my game back to unmodded
having modapi installed at all will cause issues
revert to unmodded button does not fix that
moresaves will still be saved in the saves folder iirc
?saves
Saves
Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)
Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\``` ** ** Mac File Paths: ```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/ Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/``` ** ** Linux File Paths: ```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/ Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```
Verify gamefiles pog
but you are going to need to verify game files in steam
no problem
i uploaded my run to yt but it's buffering a ton and lowering the quality very frequently. is there a way to fix it? im not buffering with other peoples videos
just post the link here and we'll tell you if its buffering on our end
if you just uploaded it it might need time to finish processing before being HQ
Were there any spots you saw specifically that were buffering?
It looks fine to me
It seems fine to me as well
its perfectly fine dont worry about it
ok it was buffering like every 10 seconds for me
its not buffering on the discord link but still is when i watch it on actual youtube
im worried it'll make it unwatchable to the verifier
maybe i'll restart my computer
I checked it on youtube and it still seems fine, even for thk fight so you should be fine
Np
even if it is I GUARANTEE you verifiers end up watching weirder stuff (i had a green chroma key filter on my game for one of my pbs by accident, which made greenpath a little uncomfortable to watch)
ok do i need to fill in the hours if it was sub 1 hour?
ok was just about to ask that too
if you're interested in seeing the low quality footage i've submitted heres a time stamp on an old pb
the void really starts tearing through here
ok i just submitted my first run!!!
Looks like someone fused Greenpath, Fungal Wastes and the Abyss all together 
That must have been painful for the moderators to watch
hopefully my run gets verified and i can finally have my blue name
i think there was one part where i almost accidentally deleted my save file
mood though lmao
wait

is there a way to take down a run awaiting verification?
you can edit a run if needed
for some reason it says my time is 56 minutes without loads
you just need to edit it then
ok
you'll see runs under awaiting verfiications
just click on the run
and there will be an option here
over on the right side
utah 0_o
regrettably but yes
i'm really really trying rn to move to canada
but alas i'm trapped here until i get more stuff figured out
namely the financial stuff lmao it's so complicated
right sorry thought we were there already
ok its saying i need to wait to edit my run but how long?
nvm it worked
turns out im a big dumb and accidentally didn't set it to current patch nmg
and set the wrong time
lol i've been there
okay everything is figured out now i gtg
any% is the only run that has been done hitless afiak
probably not timed, resetting after 2 hours just doesnt sound fun to me
specially since hitless p5 itself is also pretty rare
Yh It is def a collosal task
any% is very fortunate to not have to go through too many risky areas and is also very short
People have done p5 hitless, and any% hitless. Nothing else afaik
112% hitless would be absolutely insane
the reset rate would be just too high
I can only imagine lmao. Im learning the 112% route and the number of times I got hit stupidly is already super high lol
hitless would require rerouting for a couple cats though
it would also just suck imo, one of the joys of 1xx categories is fury strats
It would be a pretty minor reroute for 112 just execution level way beyond what anyone would want to attempt
wait does glass soul activate fury?
not sure bc i haven't toyed around with mods much
As a 112 runner I can promise you fury strats are anything but a joy lmao
because if so you could get really juiced with all of the lifeblood
i don't believe it does
rip
i think AS wouldn't be too bad to attempt hitless considering you pass a couple lifeblood cocoons
Glass soul gives damage boosts from lifeblood
But presumably these runs would be on vanilla
yaeh
oh im sure they're not once you reset to them but theyre fun in concept
fury just takes too long to grab and is less effective than shamans unfortunately
fury in low% 
any% ss current patch gets spore shroom though so thats cool
too bad furys a percent, otherwise i would've routed it for low%
could you remove a percent elsewhere?
if we could remove a percent elsewhere, wed remove that percent and not grab fury
swap something out so the category would still work?
low% has no possible percent to be removed (at least for nmg)
get shrumal notch and overcharm fury sporeshroom and shaman for anyss
i don't entirely know what gives percents and what doesn't but i have a general idea
low% AG is the same as any% AG
you need to pick up the ogres notch, and im also not running current patch because i dont hate myself that much
lmao
if anyone wants to run any% ss on current patch though grab soul catcher and spore shroom because its optimal
steel soul
ohhhh
i've never completed steel soul
but i might go for it at some point for any%
i've run any% ss once and it was fun but current patch isnt fun
i'm more confident in myself doing any%ss than AS ss
ss is shade soul, shaman stone, soul sanctum, steel soul, spore shroom, and silksong
just gotta get good at wk
and probably five other things
ss has 10000 acronyms we've gone over them before we dont need to do it again
screenshot don't forget screenshot
in this context any% ss as a category stands for steel soul
I've never seen someone use ss to mean screenshot in my life but I suppose it's valid
why not just call it any% steel though just to make things easier to understand lmao
i've seen it all the time
having so many different things that aren't entirely related be abbreviated to the same thing is lowkey confusing
idk because jenkar and i, the only people whove run any% ss recently that've talked about it called it that
so thats just the acronym i've used
i'll try my best to get accustomed to it lmao
i do want to eventually attempt ss in some cat and maybe i'll turn that into a yt vid idk i've never been good at editing or making content lmao
any% ss is a separate cat because its a completely different route due to no shadeskip
the only main categories that i know can do steel soul without a separate route are low% and 1xx categories
i guess you can't do shadeskip in low% because of no claw or something? i don't entirely know which skills are skipped
speaking of which my low% steel soul time is faster than my any% steel soul time 
or was it dash that you skip?
might need to run any% ss again
gruz mother is a % so we cant
that's kinda funny lmao but it's probs bc of the route not changing
ohhhh
all bosses are a percent right
even the mini bosses
like mmc
some of them arent (vk and mossy boi are not)
ok
dream versions are not additional percent
huh
theres a whole page called completion on the wiki
but there's no benefit really to doing dream variants besides getting essence to use so ig there's literally no point in runs that don't need TE
true
anyways this is what low% gets
1%: Vengeful Spirit
2%: Mantis Claw
1%: Dream Nail
2%: Crystal Heart
1%: Watcher Knights
1%: Uumuu
3% Dreamers
CP all skills wr route can run on steel soul 
vali don't you dare go run the other cp as route and bop yourself
why does heart and claw give 2% when everything else give 1 that's weird
is it bc it's classified as a skill?
movement skills are 2%
ok
ie wings, dash, ismas, etc
i'm trying to think if there is a route where its possible to not need claw but with uumuu i don't think it's possible
https://clips.twitch.tv/ArbitraryWiseNuggetsAsianGlow-wVlILCqOYu8VmyXv - Never got all these cycles at once in a run :)
kings brand also gives 2%
the percent we skip from any% is hornet, mothwing cloak, gruz mother, shamans stone, which is a 5% diff
what's the final % for a low% TE run ?
oh idk the number
it's quite a lot, since you need wings and crystal dash
lmao xero had a brainfart
i can only quote low% godhome ending and low% all bosses percents
i didn't mean the last thing that counts as a percent i mean what is the overall percent for low% TE
its a lot because dash, wings, traitor lord, king soul, woke nail, and some other stuff are required
gotcha
think skurrys video covers it though
yeah it's too bad that white palace requires both wings and crystal dash
one of the things that really puts me off low% te is just you get all the movement, and the whole point of why i like low% is dashless movement
you get cdash anyway for monomon so thats not additional
like i think with wings and dash and cursed fireball skips you could replace it
but relative to vanilla low% we already get it
what about TE and 100% and AS including variants based on patch if there is a significant change between patches
I actually think it is additional. you have dream gate and shade cloak required so you could skip the cdash to monomon by getting sharp shadow instead I think
that would be 1% less
i was talking relative to vanilla low%
different patch variations tend not to have percent differences
getting to broken vessel requires cdash in low% as well
Yo, CC, I'm explaining Low% to my buddy and I wanted to send him an example of some funny tech you guys have to do
You got any good clips?
no
the shade skip there requires either nail1 or an extra mask
low% doesn't get wings
pinned comments in low-percent has most of the skips, i also have a skip compilation on src
because nail1 and an extra mask
ok
low% te
Yo, where's that skip compilation
and i guess the tradeoff isn't worth
What's src I mean lol
Kk, thanks :)
it would be worth if cdash wasn't also required for white palace
a shame you need wings for wp :(
for that final room i think where you cdash through the thorns
but the top low% runs are shorter than the skip video tbh
because i walk through how to do them
if theres any part thats just like wow epic cool its the cheart room
Oh man, that sounds brutal without dash
thats homothety doing it
god there's so many things i want to do speedrunning wise i just wish i had more time lmao
that video is damageless cycle
this one is the fastest possible cycle https://youtu.be/Bue_dGAwgAc?t=156
Probably another 3 seconds of timesave, but i was done grinding for the day.
so there's a damage tank strat
man i feel like it's just me but intentionally damage tanking causes me so much anxiety
bc it reduces my room for error and then i panic and heal and waste a bunch of time trying to play it safe
damage tanking becomes more comfortable with practice, and for cpeak theres a damageless fast cycle for every room
in all skills, i recommend not tanking in cpeak so you can damage tank in mound
also makes dark room comfier
cpeak should just be one of your most practiced areas since everythings cycle based you benefit a lot from practice there
Quick question about livesplit... My sum of best segments is showing the sum of real time and not game time... How do I change that?
i don't tank anywhere
go into the layout settings for livesplit
and there should be an option under the sum section to switch between game time and real time
use my screenshot for reference
Yep
Starting to do some PC runs here... Getting a bit dizzy by dealing with 2 layouts between PS4 and PC
if you set everything to current comparison you'll have some more success
so now that ive submitted a run, how will i know if it gets verified, do i just check my pending actions from time to time or do i get a notification or an email?
ok


