speedrunning

[true palm]

just do an all achievements speedrun easy

[thorny eagle]

The main achievements I have left are the steel soul ones and p5

[stray kestrel]

Speeding (and playing rando) Is a good way to just get better at the game

[thorny eagle]

I've got p1-4 done, it's just the big boi left

[dapper cove]

Oh I have never even attempted steel soul

I should try that at some point

Play it safe when trying to do everything

[thorny eagle]

It's true. I'm wavering on my self-gatekeeping by telling myself I could practice for a cp any%

[molten aurora]

Steal soul really isn't too hard, I got both speed run achievements on steel soul.

[true palm]

my first steel soul run casually died 3 hours into to the elder baldurs by baldur shell

[dapper cove]

Oh rip

[true palm]

none of the achievements are overly hard though

[dapper cove]

Like for me I know I’ll be able to at least get to city

From there it depends on where I decide to go

[thorny eagle]

On my speed completion run I didn't do too much dying, but I definitely did some. I'm not quite good enough to win all bosses first try at the stages the 106% route wants me to

[dapper cove]

I could do majority of the AS route for CP

[molten aurora]

How to get to city without shade skip, pls help

[thorny eagle]

But I reckon if I took it cautious and actually got upgrades in advance I'd be okay for steel soul at this point lol

[dapper cove]

The painful platforming that requires quest

[last inlet]

darknest

tram pass

city

[dapper cove]

I think the worst part is going to be queens since the enemy health scales with nail

[thorny eagle]

I'm just a casual at this point hahah, I've never even glimpsed absrad in person yet

[molten aurora]

The real route intented by team cherry

[dapper cove]

I might at some point attempt pantheons

[true palm]

eh i could go on a rant about how deepnest is beautifully designed and placed to create a false sense of difficulty in the game and prevent anyone from getting locked to darknest while still making you feel hopeless, best designed area in the game imo

[dapper cove]

I just see spiders and stay away for as long as possible

I have very very severe arachnophobia

[thorny eagle]

On my first run I didn't go into deepnest until Hella late so I never developed the pathological aversion so many players seem to have for it. I think it's very cool

But yeah arachnophobia is valid

[molten aurora]

That's exactly what happened to me on my casual playthrough: stuggled on mantis lords for a while, unlocked deepnest, noped out of there for 20 hours.

[dapper cove]

I never went into waterways my first run

Straight up never went there

And beat radiance

[frank obsidian]

Is main menu storage when you quit out?

[alpine rivet]

i now have to submit this way better run while the other one is awaiting confirmation loool

[dapper cove]

No

MMS is basically playing two save files at once

[jagged vault]

main menu storage is the biggest glith in hollow knight

[frank obsidian]

That sounds like a major glitch

[dapper cove]

You override your current save stats somewhat by opening another file at the same time

[jagged vault]

it involves making the game think you're in the main menu state

[molten aurora]

From what I've seen in chat recently, the verifiers will just look at your faster run, since the slower one is kinda obsolete.

[dapper cove]

That’s why it’s its own category

[jagged vault]

and lets you open saves on top of eachother

[dapper cove]

Separate from NMG AND AG

[true palm]

ag IS main menu storage

[jagged vault]

with this you can dupe items, dupe rooms, load saves on top of eachother

[dapper cove]

Oh

I’m big dumb lmao

[jagged vault]

and not even category, it's an entire ruleset

[dapper cove]

I’ve never played around with glitches personally

[jagged vault]

NMMS was the old all glitches

but when MMS was discovered

[true palm]

NMMS (no main menu storage) is a separate category because of how game breaking the bug is

[jagged vault]

it was so broken that it made people make a new ruleset just for it

[dapper cove]

That’s what I was thinking of

[jagged vault]

🐌

when you're fast in the game but not in discord

[frank obsidian]

Lol

[molten aurora]

Blue, you have to just give up at some point

[true palm]

mms allows you to beat the game in under 10 minutes, nmms in under 20, nmg in a little over 30

[thorny eagle]

Glitch runs are fascinating to watch but nmg is a lot more my cup of tea

[frank obsidian]

That’s interesting

[jagged vault]

yeah the AG run depends mainly on MMS

it's what lets them dupe lurien 3 times

and spawn thk in a crystal peaks room

[true palm]

if you're interested in glitches, you'll see a lot more in NMMS than you will in All Glitches unironically

[dapper cove]

I personally don’t want to run AG bc I enjoy playing the game NMG style

[haughty fossil]

mms bad glitch (except cp mms that one's cool) 😤

[thorny eagle]

Haha, makes sense. MMS is such an op glitch that without it people have to get creative with their game breaking

[dapper cove]

I just had a question and idk if it’s relevant to speed running bc idk if you get salubras blessing in many runs

[jagged vault]

no runs get it

even 112

[true palm]

that, and mms basically lets you just cut to the end of the game instantly, the run is pick up dreamnail, duplicate lurien 3 times, and merge black egg temple and crystal peaks together and laugh as thk kills themselves on spikes

[dapper cove]

It’d definitely fall under AG though

Ok then I’ll ask it in the off topic so I don’t diverge the topic here

[thorny eagle]

I was meaning to ask actually. Does anyone do 106% nmg cp? Couldn't see anything for it on the speedrun site

[true palm]

no because 106 heavily relies on flukenest, and 106 is full game completion of 1221, 112 is full game completion of current patch

[thorny eagle]

That makes sense

[jagged vault]

for current patch people run 112 APB

[haughty fossil]

some people have considered running 107, which never enters godhome, but it's not been run seriously

[stray kestrel]

i think 106 rules say that it must be on 1.2

[haughty fossil]

correct

[steady lynx]

Imho if 107% was a real category it should require trash patch Lifeblood

[thorny eagle]

Cheers, thanks. I know pretty much bugger all about the finer category distinctions and rules at this point

[molten aurora]

If that's the case, would a 106% run be invalidated if it was on CP, assuming you get all the same % as in 1.2.2.1?

[stray kestrel]

i think so yea

mods might move it to all skills or something tho

[steady lynx]

Hive Knight invalidates the run

[digital jewel]

yes it wouldn't be valid for 106

106 is grimm troupe only

[alpine rivet]

uh, when submitting a run below 1 hour, what do i put in the hour box? do i put a 0?

[thorny eagle]

I followed the 106% route to get the speed completion achievement and just sort of shaved off a few things I didn't want to do since I only needed 100%, but that was on cp

[alpine rivet]

basically, is this right?

[verbal stag]

just leave it empty

[alpine rivet]

ohh, okay

[true palm]

0 also works

[verbal stag]

yea

[alpine rivet]

is the 03 box right?

or does that just need to be a 3?

[stray kestrel]

also milliseconds dont matter for most runs

[alpine rivet]

i put it in last time, may as well keep it consistent

[haughty fossil]

it's fine, your inputs are santised fine so you can just put in the numbers however you'd like

[alpine rivet]

cool, thanks 🙂

[digital jewel]

yeah if you submit with milliseconds it'll have to be edited

to remove them

[jagged vault]

oh really?

i thought they wer ejust hidden

[true palm]

damn i didnt know that

[dreamy bough]

just for clarity, you can dupe rooms and items without mms, it's just that mms makes it ridiculously easier

[true palm]

k i wont include them

[haughty fossil]

blue you assumed speedrun.com had good ui?????

[jagged vault]

so, should we submit without to lower moderator load?

in the future

[alpine rivet]

oh, i should remove the milliseconds?

[haughty fossil]

theoretically yes, but its no massive deal

[dreamy bough]

why do they have to be removed?

[digital jewel]

it takes you extra time to put them in and then it takes us extra time to remove them so there's definitely no point in including them

[alpine rivet]

ah, okay

fair enough

[thorny eagle]

I'm primarily thinking of trying any% nmg cp if/when I get started with speedrunning, so I'm interested to know why people dislike doing current patch runs. Is it just that some the skips aren't possible? That some bosses are more of a pain?

[jagged vault]

both of those really

running current patch is very valid though

[molten aurora]

Blue, you beat me to it, you weren't a snail

[jagged vault]

most just prefer 1221 cuz it's optimal and has all the cool tricks

[digital jewel]

the only setting on src is whether a game has milliseconds or not. there's no way to allow them for one category but not another

[true palm]

some runs in particular (like All Skills) have to completely change their route for current patch

[jagged vault]

what really xero

[dreamy bough]

quite a few speed tech things aren't doable in current patch, and for any% specifically thk is way harder

[jagged vault]

that's so dumb

[dreamy bough]

oh damn that's really dum from their side. Gotcha!

[thorny eagle]

I just like the idea of running cp more, I feel like I'd get more personal satisfaction from speedrunning on the game in its theoretically final form, you know? 😅 the cool tricks look fun though so I might well try older patches sometime

[alpine rivet]

ill keep that millisecond rule in mind for the future

[thorny eagle]

I've heard that by watching some runs. Can you say why? I'm curious what the differences are

[jagged vault]

that's perfectly fine spontaneite!

[stray kestrel]

thk is much faster, his pillars do double damage

[haughty fossil]

thk is much faster and the flame pillars do 2 damage on cp

[jagged vault]

you should run what seems more fun to you ❤️

[stray kestrel]

no spire lever skip

[true palm]

team cherry hates speedrunners so they patch things out

[stray kestrel]

and inventory dropping was made much more situational

[thorny eagle]

Oh that's a point. I've seen runners freeing grubs through walls in 106 - is that patched out in cp?

[alpine rivet]

and submitted!

[stray kestrel]

correct spontaneite

[thorny eagle]

Rip, but very valid

[dapper cove]

Oh wait I still need to do that 4ms run I promised slothy

[true palm]

inventory drops can no longer be done midair, no baldur instakills, easier aspid double spike, no spire lever, harder epogo, buffed thk, spore shroom cheese for thk, less bugged watcher knights, different uumuu setup, no devout respawns, less input lag, no soul totem for the last fireball skip, no hazard warp, increased petra health, are the major ones you'll encounter

[thorny eagle]

I personally have a lot of trouble seeing gaps between rhythmic stuff like the crystal peaks smashy pillars so I was secretly hoping the tricks I saw in the 106% runs there still work hahaha

[stray kestrel]

some of the tricks will be different between categories because their loadout will be different

106 also does more things in cpeak so some of the macro routing is diff

[frank obsidian]

imma try out AS CP

[dapper cove]

I’m gunna pick up my mail then do a 4ms run

[true palm]

another reason runners choose current patch is because current patch is more toaster friendly (its better for worse pcs)

[thorny eagle]

This is very comprehensive, thank you. I don't know what these are: epogo, soul totem fireball skip, Petra health

I've seen the rest demonstrated or mentioned in runs

[frank obsidian]

epogo is explosion pogo in funal wastes to get to mantis village quicker, IDK the second one, last one is the Mantis Petra enemy

[true palm]

epogo is pogoing off the spore, the soul totem doesnt really matter that much if you dont fail the fireball skip, and petra's are the mantis in queens gardens

to be more specific

and that covers current patch any% differences

other categories will have more differences

[stray kestrel]

all skills in particular is quite different

[true palm]

all skills varies the most out of any major category (excluding patch exclusive ones)

[thorny eagle]

Ohhh explosion pogo right. Haha yeah I'd never seen its nickname before.

I've seen that epogo is apparently harder in cp but I've never done it in any case so hard for me to say

[true palm]

its very different

[thorny eagle]

I tried it a few times in my last cp casual run but gave up when I got boomed too many times

[true palm]

in 1221 you can pogo the explosion itself but you cant on cp

[thorny eagle]

Do you have to damage tank then?

[true palm]

this is the newest and easiest cp setup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYsRWyHjcmM

its being referred to as comfypogo

[thorny eagle]

.....where did that nickname come from, I'm intrigued

[true palm]

because its comfier than pantapogo, which was the fastest setup and most common among top runners

for a minute people were going to call it schy pogo but it was a collaborative effort between mathulu and schy so thats what was settled on

pantapogo is called pantapogo because panta came up with it

[thorny eagle]

I seee

Like naming units of measurement after scientists haha

[frank obsidian]

lol

[true palm]

it tends to stick, trinomi drop is you guessed it named after trinomi and same with trinomi planks

[frank obsidian]

I feel bad for people who run long cats, I just spent 30 mins setting my AS CP splits and I still have to do the trigger times lol

[true palm]

112, 106, and the like have splits set up for them in resources

[frank obsidian]

Ah, that's nice! So they dont have to spend 2 hours setting them up lol

[true palm]

yup

you can also ask other runners for splits (its a file that you can download), which is often done for long cats as well

[frank obsidian]

Is there no regular vengefly king split?

[thorny eagle]

What's really attractive about any% is that theoretically if you're decent at it one or two runs are thoroughly achievable in evening free time

I like seeing more of the game so the longer cats are interesting but also,,,, my poor hours

[strong vessel]

Any% is nice because it's SHORT

[thorny eagle]

Exactly haha

[hazy birch]

VK is not usually a split, but also all skills skips VK anyway

[hallow orchid]

there is, it's Zote Rescued (Greenpath) or something

[thorny eagle]

Any% kills vk because it needs the geo, right?

[hallow orchid]

we split VK in 112

[frank obsidian]

Oh okay, TY

[true palm]

yup and it takes almost no time to do, categories that need more geo kill moss knights and pick up the rocks

[hazy birch]

yeah, all skills actually needs more geo so it does moss knights + geo rocks right before hornet instead

[true palm]

doing both is uncommon because there wasnt a good setup to have enough soul by the time you reached mossknights until recently

[thorny eagle]

I've not actually watched any all skills runs before, I'll have to do that

[true palm]

all skills is longer to run, but easier to learn as the proverb goes

[thorny eagle]

Nor low%, which I'm really interested in changing. @true palm mad respect for doing that cat it seems intense

[true palm]

low% hits different, but its by far my favorite category

going for record pretty soon, which i never imagined i'd be doing when i first started running

[frank obsidian]

Is there a sly rescued split

[true palm]

idk, but its not really needed

[frank obsidian]

ok

[haughty parcel]

is there an fps value I shouldn't go above generally for any% nmg? I feel like this vengefly is moving faster when my fps is uncapped but I don't know if it's placebo effect and didn't know how to test it

[true palm]

cap at 300 is my recommendation

vengefly speed is tied to fps its not placebo

[snow dome]

Vengeflies do move faster at higher FPS, you're not imagining it

Also Follies

[frank obsidian]

Vengefly do zoomies

[haughty parcel]

that's comforting

he kept hitting me on statue pogo

[frank obsidian]

I found that one out the hard way

[analog monolith]

is there any good and easy way to make the game not spend 10-30 seconds loading each room in a run other than going through the route beforehand

[true palm]

ye everything in this game is fps dependent for whatever reason

[true palm]

if you have an ssd make sure its on that and not your hard drive

[frank obsidian]

So theoretically at like 2000 fps the vengefly would be zooming

[analog monolith]

i do not

[haughty parcel]

is there a reason for not going below 300? I was watching fireborn's guide and he said below 200 is not a good idea but didn't really elaborate

[analog monolith]

i don't have an ssd or a hard drive

wait

[true palm]

i mean you have a hard drive on your pc

or laptop

[low bramble]

I have 240 and im fine

[analog monolith]

yeah

ig you're right

[true palm]

unless you're running off a thumbstick which would be insane

[analog monolith]

it's on my main hard drive

hey

[vocal dove]

someone needs to blow up their graphics card for science

[analog monolith]

that was my second option

and i would legitimately consider it if it didn't mean i couldn't use my mouse

[true palm]

generally anything between 150-300 is good, and you really want intervals of 50 for the physics engine to mesh with the graphics engine

[analog monolith]

how do you test your framerate

[fair island]

Using viva tuner statistics

[analog monolith]

got it

[true palm]

if its your default steam install, you can use steam's overlay, otherwise 3rd party software

[analog monolith]

oh

yeah steam overlay it is lol

[true palm]

its under the in-game settings

[stray kestrel]

the multiple of 50 thing doesnt really change that much tho if you choose not to

[true palm]

k it doesnt actually make a lick of difference in practice, but in THEORY you should have intervals of 50

[thorny eagle]

Speaking of system specs, my computer is glitchy in annoying ways and whenever I try to record gameplay through obs or something I get major lag in game, unless I turn the encoding resolution down a huge amount. How would I get around that if I hypothetically wanted to submit a run at some time in the probably distant future?

[true palm]

low res fps vods are fine (console players often record with their phones)

[analog monolith]

afaik it does that due to cpu overload

[stray kestrel]

there's a pastebin somewhere that has obs performance tips

[analog monolith]

what do you mean by lag though? like input lag, framedrops, long load times, etc

[thorny eagle]

The game itself lags hugely

As in stuttering

[analog monolith]

hmm idk then

[true palm]

like freeze frames?

[analog monolith]

haven't had that

[true palm]

oh ok ye thats just your cpu is overloaded, turn down your obs settings or consider just recording your monitor with your phone

[thorny eagle]

I have stuttering on a lot of anything that has either more demanding graphics or very high amounts of scripting going on

[stray kestrel]

you could also make your game window smaller

[true palm]

some freeze frames happen consistently on 1221, but thats a pc issue you're having

[thorny eagle]

🤔 well I am saving up for a deposit on a new computer, which I may be done with by maybe July, but any tips for reducing CPU lag in general?

[stray kestrel]

close chrome

[thorny eagle]

Yeah I'm aware, this computer has so much wrong with it by now

[true palm]

alt f4 discord or force quit it in task manager as well when you run

[thorny eagle]

Lol I don't use Chrome, but yeah browsers are all resource hogs

I don't use desktop discord except when I'm streaming to friends, so that's alright

[true palm]

recommend recording your monitor with your phone and not using obs (low quality recordings dont matter if we can see/hear everything)

[thorny eagle]

I always have task manager open on monitor 2 to keep an eye on my memory etc

[true palm]

close task manager when you run

it eats cpu like crazy

[thorny eagle]

Really? Wow I did not know that

[true palm]

yup its a resource hog itself

[stray kestrel]

it becomes the very thing it swore to destroy

[thorny eagle]

I've always kept it open so I can tell if something is hogging ram too much, since I get a lot of memory leaks from stuff on my pc....but it's a problem itself??? Good god this changes everything

[true palm]

yup

its kind of ironic but using task manager to monitor pc issues is the biggest issue you have most likely

[frank obsidian]

lmao

never knew that

[thorny eagle]

That's terrible, I hate everything, I owe you my life

[true palm]

well the thing is when something spikes it eats up a lot of cpu, when your pc is idle it doesnt do much

[thorny eagle]

terrible

This is awful because I'm a huge control freak who's going to feel Bad not knowing what % memory usage I'm at at all times, but,,,,, no cost too great

For Performance

[true palm]

anyways gonna reemphasize this "recommend recording your monitor with your phone and not using obs (low quality recordings dont matter if we can see/hear everything)" obs is a MAJOR resource hog, and while you can do lots of things to lower its usage, its still going to be massive period

[true palm]

you can leave it on when you arent running, but you dont need to see your cpu usage when you are running anyway

[dapper cove]

time to claim last place in 4ms

[thorny eagle]

This is true

[jagged vault]

it all has to do with how the game handles inputs. Lower framerate = more input lag

[dapper cove]

i should just be that guy who does every run once just to claim last place so people don't feel so bad if they don't do well

[thorny eagle]

I'm thinking more of when I'm playing ram hog games lol, but yeah for speedruns it won't matter

[true palm]

if its mostly a ram issue task manager doesnt take up a lot of memory, its mostly cpu/power usage

like cpu wise its worse than chrome

[thorny eagle]

Ram is a part of it, but I've never quite been able to figure out why my computer stutters on so many games, and CPU could be responsible

Even if it doesn't say the CPU % use is too high

I don't even know. My computer has highly mysterious problems with it

I'll be so relieved when I can get a new one. This was a good gaming pc 8 years ago but now.....😭

[true palm]

task manager is also notorious for not giving accurate readings unless the process is setting your pc on fire

[frank obsidian]

jeez i never knew half of this stuff

task manager bad

[thorny eagle]

Is there like. A Better task manager

[true palm]

anyways point remains that you should turn everything in obs down as low as possible, only have obs livesplit, and hollow knight open when you run

[thorny eagle]

Software that, mayhap, works??

[true palm]

i wouldnt trust any 3rd party software with the info that task manager has, nor would it be any more accurate

[thorny eagle]

It's true, that would be a lot to disclose

[true palm]

task manager has access to the most fundamental processes on your computer, not gonna go in depths about the level of privileges it has but it does its job

im saying the readings arent perfectly measured, nor do they need to be, nor is it possible to

[thorny eagle]

Theoretically when I don't need to micromanage my memory usage so much it'll be a non-issue

But I have like 11gb of ram and my pc uses it Very Poorly

[true palm]

it is unironically hard to measure the usage of a task that measures itself measuring itself and will naturally not be 100% perfect

[thorny eagle]

That's very meta

[true palm]

11gb isnt the worst, its most likely a graphics/cpu issue you're having

obs studio should give a number like right here

bottom right

my numbers high because i have a lot of stuff in my overlay

but you really want that as low as possible

[thorny eagle]

Yeah theoretically 11gb is fine, but perfectly good games and software seem to spring memory leaks when I use them so it ends up being rather not enough

[thorny eagle]

🤨 is 5.1% CPU usage high? Or are you referring to the frame rate?

[true palm]

cpu usage in terms of my computer

[thorny eagle]

Ah

[true palm]

like for my computer thats double what just recording the game would be

but this equalizer i have at the bottom left is responsible for half the usage of the program

[thorny eagle]

Nice. Anyway thank you for this groundbreaking revelation about task manager, but I must go put away my groceries now and theoretically get some writing done before bed. Seriously considering giving any% cp a go soon now

[dapper cove]

How am I struggling to get to Mawlek in 4ms what

I got the first grub so easily

Please help I can’t time my pogos right

[true palm]

its just a practice thing

[dapper cove]

I hate it

I mean I’m guaranteeing my last place like I promised lmao

And I died lmao

[true palm]

any 4 ms runner that hasnt died to mawlek is either not running the category enough or lying

[dapper cove]

i just died to him

that first death was before i even made it to the arena

i missed a jump

i hope you're happy slothy bc i'm not

[stark birch]

Can confirm, got my sub 8:30 and bounced so that I could have a spotless record without a mawlek death

[hallow orchid]

Same I did like 3 runs of 4ms didn't die once

Meanwhile I've died on the way to fk in any%

[dapper cove]

just killed him second try

woot

[stark birch]

Can’t have embarrassing any% deaths if you don’t run mainboard cats we don’t talk about spelless uumuu

[somber cedar]

Learning single fireball skips, what am I doing wrong here?

[true palm]

too high

fireball later

[somber cedar]

ty

[true palm]

like id be fireballing around here

[analog monolith]

^

[true palm]

the most likely to succeed is halfway during the fall, but right around there is my balance between speed and success

[analog monolith]

fireball resets your vertical momentum, so it's best to space them evenly between the peak and landing

[true palm]

also ur turnaround could be cleaner

[analog monolith]

in the case of greenpath main fireball skips the placement is natural bc you need the full height for the landing anyways

but this one, qs fireball skip, etc all need you to do it even spacing

[true palm]

greenpath uses mostly the recoil, where as turnaround skips use the momentum resets

[somber cedar]

yeah, makes sense. I can do it reliably with two (and no spacing), but one doesn't seem too hard

also, new keyboard, so my turnarounds are even worse than usual

nice, that seems to work. ty both

[thorny eagle]

I need to learn to fireball skip. How much of an impediment is me playing on controller going to be?

[true palm]

not at all

[analog monolith]

negative impediment

it's actually easier on controller

[thorny eagle]

Oh nice. I'd have thought it makes the turnaround harder

[true palm]

its easier on controller because you can use dpad (russian keyboard cheats make keyboard work as well)

[analog monolith]

idr what but there's a controller-only trick

[true palm]

claw grip, but thats mitigated with socd cleaner

[thorny eagle]

I've got my quick cast mapped to Y, is that a good idea or is another button better?

[true palm]

for reference, if you use analog stick in one direction, you can tap dpad to instantly turn around

[thorny eagle]

Oh that's good knowledge, thank you

[true palm]

i use bumper, but i've heard good things about mapping it to face buttons

[somber cedar]

man, this is actually pretty lenient

[true palm]

i clawgrip for consistency, i move my hand while walking from the baldur kill

[thorny eagle]

I haven't quite trained my muscle memory to use quick cast for spells in general yet, so I thought I'd ask what a good button is for it before starting that haha

I use my spells in combat from focus button atm, which is not ideal

[analog monolith]

quick cast is much better for almost everything

doesn't have the quarter second delay or whatever it is

[true palm]

i think default binds for controller are generally good, but i recommend left bumper for inventory if you dont plan on running any glitched cats

[thorny eagle]

Yeah I figured, but I went like 150 hours in HK before ever learning that quick cast is actually important hahaha, so I have a lot of retraining to do

[dapper cove]

ok wait 4ms isn't as bad as i thought

honestly worst part was getting to mawlek

[true palm]

(glitched cats use maps for inventory dropping/glitches which is why if you plan on learning one i recommend not messing with left bumper)

[thorny eagle]

Why is it useful to have inventory on LB?

[true palm]

its generally faster to hit it on xbox controllers

[thorny eagle]

For inventory drops?

[true palm]

yup

[thorny eagle]

Legit

[stuck raptor]

quick map is LB

not inventory

Both are used for glitches in different capacities

[desert kiln]

I use left shift for inventory on keyboard

[thorny eagle]

Yeah I've always used it for the maps function, but I guess it would make no difference to casual gameplay to switch inventory and maps

[desert kiln]

Right next to z and x for jump and nail

[stuck raptor]

it's good to keep quick map on LB because it needs to be double tapped

inventory doesn't need to be quick tapped like that

[true palm]

i mean thats in essence what i said if you dont plan on running glitched cats inventory on lb can be faster but dont mess with it if you plan on running glitched cats

[thorny eagle]

True. Is it important to have inventory easily accessible if you're running cp runs?

[true palm]

yup

inventory dropping on cp is important as well

[thorny eagle]

Right

[true palm]

in fact its more important for it to be easily accessible

[thorny eagle]

I've not watched any cp runs all the way through yet so wasn't sure how much of a role it plays

[true palm]

because its a frame perfect trick when walking off a ledge, theres not time to move your hand a lot

[frank obsidian]

what is the default split key incase autosplit malfunctions?

[somber cedar]

can you do all three gp fireball skips with singles?

[true palm]

you can check in the settings tab

[true palm]

yup

[frank obsidian]

ok, thx

[true palm]

you need coyote frames to single skip though on the last 2

coyote frames are when you are off the platform but can still jump

[analog monolith]

i like how you have pop in your name like it's comparable to p5ab and rhog lmao

[thorny eagle]

Oh I was wondering that thank you

[true palm]

its a reference to wily coyote because they're always hovering in the air before falling

[knotty vigil]

i had another decent run lost to the infected vengeflies in the crossroads

[thorny eagle]

I think I saw coyote frames briefly explained in a run I was watching once but it didn't go into detail

[true palm]

they exist in games as a grace period, it generally feels good to have them

[knotty vigil]

are they stronger in cp or something?

[true palm]

nope but theyre needed for single fireball skips in greenpath

[thorny eagle]

I've had enough infected vengeflies wreck delicate flower that I have a lot of animus for them

[knotty vigil]

i didn't think there were infected vengeflies in greenpath

[true palm]

oh you were talking about the flies

yes they're more aggressive on cp

[knotty vigil]

oh

well that sucks

[thorny eagle]

Interesting

[true palm]

infected vengeflies also move at almost the same pace as you move without dash so they can be quite annoying

recommend capping fps if you havent already (they go faster with uncapped fps)

[analog monolith]

i always just accept the damage and heal for the quick toll into peaks

[thorny eagle]

Also they make unpleasant sounds which is alarming when they are almost in your face

[knotty vigil]

i hate how they literally can detect you from off screen if you're going vertically

[thorny eagle]

Best method for capping FPS? I've not done that yet and probably should

[true palm]

its a good time to heal if you are uncomfortable with cpeaks but loses as much time as healing anywhere, just an easier quick toll

[true palm]

current patch has a setting for capped fps, you can also use rivatuner or your graphics cards control panel

[knotty vigil]

would having capped fps make the game look worse and harder to play?

[true palm]

no it caps to 300

[thorny eagle]

Cap to 60? Or something else?

[true palm]

its still faster than your monitors refresh rate most likely

capping to 300 is standard

[thorny eagle]

Huh

Not even sure what my uncapped FPS is

[true palm]

fps affects input delay and other things as well

anywhere between 200-300 works well

[thorny eagle]

Lemme check

[true palm]

glitched cats use anywhere between 60-150 i've heard, (i use 120, and cant get super slides with anything faster)

[thorny eagle]

Steam FPS counter in godhome has me at 250 to 280 it seems

So that's fine

[true palm]

thats good yup

[knotty vigil]

how do i check fps?

[true palm]

steam overlay if its your default install

[analog monolith]

do you have the game through steam

[true palm]

you can find it in settings

[thorny eagle]

Should I have vsync off or on?

It's off at the moment

[true palm]

OFF

[analog monolith]

vsync is almost always better off

the only reason to have it on is cp dboost epogo

[knotty vigil]

unless you're trying cp epogo

[true palm]

its only good to be on for some cursed skips (mainly vsync pogo)

[analog monolith]

which sucks and there's better options

[thorny eagle]

Hahahaha ok good. I mean I will be trying cp epogo but yes according to that video earlier there's perfectly viable fireball methods to do that

[true palm]

in addition to input delay, there is more input delay with vsync

did i mention an unbearable amount of input delay?

[thorny eagle]

Input delay bad

[meager current]

Just do comfypogo instead

[thorny eagle]

Aye

I think I'd best get fireball skips down in general though before I learn comfypogo

Or, you know, set up for speedrunning at all, which I have not yet done

Still think I want to do a few more achievements before I seriously try speedrun training, but we'll see

[knotty vigil]

i haven't even beaten pantheon of hallownest yet haha

[thorny eagle]

Me neither

I've forgotten how to fight Sly so need to get with that before I take another crack at p5

I learned him for his pantheon and then promptly didn't fight him for months

[knotty vigil]

my steam overlay isn't working

it's enabled in settings and everything but its not working when i press shift+tab

[frank obsidian]

What should the two little things on the bottom say if I want it to compare against my previous time? (PB, best, average, and something else. You can display one or two of them)

It should be set to best segments right?

[knotty vigil]

ok i figured out steam overlay nevermind

my game is consistently running at 380 FPS

is that bad?

[stiff delta]

Nice

that is really good

[knotty vigil]

but constructive cynicism said that it should be between 200 and 300

[stiff delta]

i think most people try to cap fps at like 288 or 250 with rivatuner(?), not entirely sure why but people say it

yea

[last inlet]

288 is for 144hz monitor

[snow dome]

The cap is usually for hardware rather than the game

[last inlet]

250 is for 50fps physics

[stiff delta]

Exorax with the exor facts

[snow dome]

Like there's no point in burning out your GPU for those frames

Might as well cap

[last inlet]

plus consistent vengeflies are very nice

[gloomy bane]

how i configure the splits for path of pain runs?

[stiff delta]

Just autosplit with the finish path of pain one

And manually start while in the loadzone that goes to PoP

[gloomy bane]

oh ok

thx

[stiff delta]

np

[gloomy bane]

i cant start the splitliver while im in the game

the hotkey dont work

[last inlet]

enable global hotkeys

[gloomy bane]

oh

[last inlet]

right click -> control -> global hotkeys

[gloomy bane]

was that

thx

[stiff delta]

might have to click disable for other programs if you have conflicting hotkeys but its not necessary

[knotty vigil]

so to cap fps do i need rivatuner or is there another way to do it?

and what would i cap it to?

[frank obsidian]

do i set it to best splits or pb too?

[last inlet]

i'd go with 250

[last inlet]

whichever you prefer

normally people use pb

[true palm]

i recommend balanced pb after have a few runs done

comparing to best segments is fine but you are either red or gold so it can feel bad to run against

[stiff delta]

im based run against SoB

[true palm]

balanced pb takes into account your average segment times, your best segment, and evenly distributes them to create a "balanced" pb

it tends to feel the best to run against while still allowing you to see realistic times

[copper marsh]

hey, ive done a p1 speedrun but i didnt follow this rule
"Use the autosplit "Oro & Mato Nail Bros (Pantheon)" in the autosplitter settings."
can i still submit my run?

[gloomy bane]

how can i reset my pb on livesplit?

[stiff delta]

probably, i think mods just have to manually time it themselves

[copper marsh]

alright thanks

[true palm]

clearing history will clear your pb from comparisons but save golds and pb times in the actual split file

[gloomy bane]

how i clear the history?

[true palm]

rightclick edit splits

and its under other

[gentle kernel]

Quick question, im running 1.2.2.1 with keyboard and mouse and have to rebind any controls I have to my mouse any time i reopen a save file. Does anyone know a fix for this? I'd prefer not to have to swap to keyboard only and doing this makes me lose time during my runs whenever I have to save and quit :/

[true palm]

blue.exe in resources

allows your mouse left and right to be bound to keys on your keyboard

i think h and k are defaults but idr

[gentle kernel]

ok, thanks

blue.exe is already installed or is it an extension i have to get?

[true palm]

it works out of the box, install it and run it and a command prompt comes up

while that prompt is up its working

once you're done playing hollow knight close it

[gentle kernel]

ok, thanks again!

[true palm]

np

if you see vali around thank them, they make the russian hacks for keyboard players

socd cleaner is another one i'd check out (makes fireball skips easier)

[formal bough]

smh using russian hacks to make the game playable

[true palm]

smh using russian hacks to use basic features that controller players have, unbelievable

[last inlet]

h and t are the keys it binds to

[true palm]

doesnt really matter since when they bind it it'll just work

[desert kiln]

I know someone else has probably found this, so I was wondering: what is happening here? I got this when starting a run, so I started messing around in debug trying to get it to happen again, and I got it a couple of times. It's almost like I inventory dropped, even though I didn't open my inventory.

[last inlet]

yeah true

corner fall

[formal bough]

you are just starting from full fall speed because of debug noclip

[hallow orchid]

if you slide off the edge of a platform it cancels the hardfall

[formal bough]

oh the hardfall

[desert kiln]

oh, that's cool!

[last inlet]

you drop onto the corner of a ledge and go off immediately and you don't get the hardfall animation

[patent warren]

Hey guys, Ive been trying to do current patch any% runs and Ive been trying to beat watcher knights for quite a while now and Im just completely stuck, I manage to get two of them pretty consistently but the third one almost always gets me. Does someone know any useful tips for the fight?

[desert kiln]

i had no idea that was a thing

[desert kiln]

oh man i feel you

[hallow orchid]

check the #any-percent-nmg pins for a video

[patent warren]

Okay thanks

[hallow orchid]

they are a hard boss though, it will take a while to get consistent with them

[desert kiln]

i'm still trying to beat them for any% as well, can get to last two but no further

[true palm]

current patch and 1221 knights are basically the same so any resource you find for one applies to the other

[last inlet]

just run te instead

[true palm]

i believe all skills tends to be the suggestion if you're struggling with watcher knights

[last inlet]

yeah but te supremacy

it's propaganda

[grizzled maple]

Mostly the same with a small note that on current patch they cannot start an attack from off screen, and your fireballs won't hit off screen. These are both possible on 1221

[true palm]

expect to drop quite a few hours into the fight

[patent warren]

Oh okay

[gentle kernel]

is there a specific website where I could download blue.exe safely?

[patent warren]

Yeah, Ive been going for like three hours but I guess its not without reason the hardest part of the run lol

[gentle kernel]

sorry for all the questions lol

[hearty adder]

#resources is safe

it's all made by the community

[gentle kernel]

ah ok

[true palm]

blue.exe was made by a community member, might be on valis github

[gentle kernel]

ok cool, i guess i was looking at the wrong places then

[quiet saddle]

Man the grinding I did for Watcher Knights

[true palm]

#resources message

[gentle kernel]

found it, thanks

[quiet saddle]

I fought those knights probably over 100 times before my first run

[true palm]

everything you find #resources is completely safe, and you can find lots of neat things there (socd cleaner, timer mod, updated debug mod and api, blue.exe, etc etc)

[quiet saddle]

What's the timer mod do CC?

Actually what's most of that stuff I guess lol

[true palm]

its like livesplit but in game and you can bind it to when you walk over specific points

[quiet saddle]

Like idk what an socd cleaner is

[hearty adder]

It is a mod, however, so it's mostly for practice purposes

and for testing new strats

[true palm]

socd cleaner is a macro allowing left and right inputs to override each other (if you hold right and tap left, normally you stop in place for a second but socd cleaner makes it so you turn left quickly and go back to right, used for easy fireball skips) [keyboard only]

latest version of debug mod allows you to have multiple savestates that you keep even when exiting the game, modding api is used to support debug mod and timer mod

[dull thorn]

How many hours does Monstaleh have in hollow knight?

Anyone knows?

[true palm]

not sure but i'd assume its in the thousands

[dull thorn]

Is his steam profile public?

[true palm]

i wouldnt know

[hearty adder]

Not really an appropriate question for this channel

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[true palm]

nor is it my place to disclose other peoples hours

the easiest way to find out more about community streamers and runners is to interact with them on Twitch if they stream

[dreamy bough]

it's also literally in his twitch bio

[true palm]

there you go

[dull thorn]

Didn't know that, thanks and sorry for asking in the wrong channel

[frank obsidian]

Tried like 6 runs, 4 the splits were broken, 5th I failed, and 6th one my (not really) friend started harassing me

[true palm]

what causes this out of curiosity? (current patch btw)

https://clips.twitch.tv/AntediluvianPoliteCockroachPoooound-nVmB4ezYskVf9k76

[rotund jackal]

just a very late rng spawn

[true palm]

wait so you're telling me it can spawn that late based on rng? great game

[rotund jackal]

🙂

[knotty vigil]

what causes shroom spore to shred THK so much but not other bosses?

[meager current]

🍝

[desert kiln]

What patches are superslides on? Do I have to install the 1.0.something that all glitches and nmms uses to mess around with superslides, or are they on 1.2.2.1?

[grizzled maple]

Im pretty sure they're on all patches yeah

[true palm]

superslides are illegal in nmg categories though

[desert kiln]

yeah, just for fun

[grizzled maple]

Theyre just actually frame perfect. You'll have more luck using vsync for it

[true palm]

and all glitches/nmms is 1.0.2.8

[desert kiln]

they look really cool

[desert kiln]

alright, thank you! i just want to do one to see how fun it is

[true palm]

a superslide is when you pause the first graphics frame after the physics frame of killing something

iirc

theyre incredibly hard to do, but you can use 1.0.2.8 debug mod to get them for free

i've only gotten one without it (on 300 fps)

[knotty vigil]

is there no possible way to dboost through the devouts?

[desert kiln]

second try yeah!

[true palm]

you can devout skip the first one but you need the geo

[desert kiln]

that was hilarious

[knotty vigil]

what do you need geo for?

[true palm]

dv stag

[knotty vigil]

oh

[desert kiln]

(vsync, of course)

[true palm]

you need 250 geo

[knotty vigil]

i normally get three hallownest seals and a wanderers journal which is always enough

[true palm]

if you have extra geo, devout skipping the first one is rng and takes the same amount of time and you take damage so like idk not really worth

[knotty vigil]

which seal or wj am i not supposed to take

[true palm]

which seals do you get

you only need kings station and wk one

[knotty vigil]

oh

i normally get the one on the platforms to lemm

[true palm]

rest of the geo comes from killing husks in cot

rafters seal is for nail1

and replaces wk seal

[knotty vigil]

nail1? like upgrading?

[true palm]

ye its a beginner route

[knotty vigil]

i don't normally upgrade my nail

[true palm]

then dont grab rafters seal

[knotty vigil]

i thought the wanderers journal above mantis village was for nail

[true palm]

killing a couple rows of husks in cot will replace the geo

[true palm]

it is, but you also grab rafters seal because you need to sell to lemm before watcher knights

meaning you cant sell watcher knights seal

[knotty vigil]

ah

but that's for nail upgrade so i don't need to worry about it right?

[true palm]

you dont need to

[knotty vigil]

upgrading nail seems really out of the way and not worth the time

[true palm]

just dont grab rafters seal thats all you need to know

[grizzled maple]

It's not really worth it tbh. It's a damage increase from only 5 to 9.

[true palm]

its a beginner route for easier wk

[grizzled maple]

I recommend just practicing a lot

[knotty vigil]

yeah

[true palm]

its not worth the time

point being, skip rafters seal, kill some extra husks in cot, and learn to damage tank devouts and voila easy money

[thorny eagle]

Not looking forward to how much I'll have to grind wk to get decent at them, they were always my worst boss

Well, worst ish

Pure vessel gave me more trouble overall, but pure vessel isn't in any% 😅

[knotty vigil]

THK was always my worst boss until i discovered the wonders of spore shroom

[true palm]

current patch thk hits different as a heads up

very painful

[knotty vigil]

yeah double damage pillars suck

[true palm]

sporeshroom hits all of its hitboxes simultaneously doing like 120 damage per heal

assuming it hits all of them

[knotty vigil]

but i found that if you stay still during his pillar attack he won't hit you

[true palm]

current patch thk is also just faster

[thorny eagle]

THK took me a few tries to get on my casual runs but after pure vessel it's easy. That said, trying to speed kill him....yeah I see why speedrunners dislike him on cp

[true palm]

but double heads up they're patching out spore shroom

[knotty vigil]

damn

[thorny eagle]

I legit had no idea they were still patching hollow knight

[true palm]

final patch is coming out soon

[meager current]

#hk-announcements ye

[true palm]

its on beta if you feel like testing it

[hearty adder]

don't worry, nobody else knew until they started posting about beta patch

[thorny eagle]

Wow. Wonder how much that's going to punch cp any% in the face

[hearty adder]

given how the last update had come out in 2019

[true palm]

its not going to force people to update though iirc

[knotty vigil]

if my cp run is done before that patch is it then invalid once it comes out?

[hearty adder]

1432 will be available in beta patches anyways

at least they've said as much

[true palm]

no the patches will fall under the same category (unless something arbitrarily broken is discovered/added)

[meager current]

Now all TC needs to do is put 1221 in the betas menu

So everyone can easily access it

[true palm]

but too bad tc hates speedrunners

[meager current]

Ye that's a rip

[thorny eagle]

Do we know if the patches currently in beta affect cp runs in ways other than thk spore fix?

[true palm]

idk the full list, but without a working debug mod for it its difficult to test

[grizzled maple]

Crystal Guardian isn't killable before waking him

that's basically it that impacts us specifically

there's not much

[hearty adder]

And inventory hardfall cancels were patched too

Sporeshroom got fixed

[knotty vigil]

will 1432 be it's own category when the patch comes out?

[thorny eagle]

Doesn't this mean that the current WRs in cp categories will be hard to beat, if they depend on stuff that's been patched out?

[true palm]

see above "no the patches will fall under the same category (unless something arbitrarily broken is discovered/added)"

[grizzled maple]

We don't have a set idea of how things will be handled yet

[hearty adder]

There's things we have discussed on #srcom-discussion but we won't know until it actually comes out and people run it

[thorny eagle]

Yeah that's fair

[grizzled maple]

If the mods figured something out, they haven't told us. We've talked as a community on every beta update though

[true palm]

1432 will still be available on beta patches so not really

[jagged vault]

We will see once the parch comes out

And we know exactly what has changed

[thorny eagle]

It'll be interesting to see

I sort of assumed that if I ever entered the speedrunner community it'd be well after the dust had settled and the game was in its final form, but apparently not 😅

[hearty adder]

Personally I don't think many people will run on 1.5, especially if 1432 is available through beta

[knotty vigil]

do we have any release window at all on the next patch?

[hearty adder]

If nothing has been said in #hk-announcements , then no

[knotty vigil]

oh

[meager current]

Between now and when the world ends

[grizzled maple]

This is the life of runner's who main modern games

[meager current]

But yeah HK announcements

[thorny eagle]

Whenever silksong finally drops, will there be new channels added to this discord re discussion and speedruns or will it get its own server, do you know?

[grizzled maple]

Very soon we are moving to our own server

Silksong speedrunning will be hosted there, and most of our work here will be moved

[meager current]

We are actually planning to move to a HK speedrunning server

[thorny eagle]

Oh nice

[meager current]

Ok I'm 🐌

[thorny eagle]

Will there be server announcements about that? I'm interested in joining a speedrunning server but I certainly don't have a submitted run of anything yet

[grizzled maple]

It should be soon after the All Skills tourney ends

So just stay here and you should hear something about it

[desert kiln]

Wait do superslides work on cp? I'm guessing not but still want to ask just in case

[thorny eagle]

Great. I'll keep an eye out

[knotty vigil]

will it be public to anyone or will we have to meet certain requirements?

[grizzled maple]

The server will be public, and since it's speedrunning specific we won't need to gate channels

The only reason it's like that here is because there's 100,000 casual players who literally don't realize what we're here doing lol

[meager current]

blue names need to stay though

[grizzled maple]

We will have blue names for verified runs i believe

[last inlet]

blue names peepoArrive

[grizzled maple]

People are really excited when they earn their blue names. It would feel weird to yoink that away

[knotty vigil]

yeah personally i'm super excited to get a blue name

[thorny eagle]

I do like the blue name thing

Like I only joined this server last night but yeah

It's a nice little status thing. You could even say it's a ... Mark of Pride 👀

[grizzled maple]

[meager current]

Hollow knight puns peepoArrive

[dusky ruin]

late but superslides were patched out in 1.3

[lost musk]

Would submitting with real-time be a problem? I can't seem to get gametime working on my rig. and Livesplit One (the web version) doesn't register keystrokes unless the window is active

[true palm]

livesplit one is rta only

[grizzled maple]

Real time is fine. Timing would start on file/difficulty select and end on the first black frame of the end

[true palm]

for gametime, you need to have the actual program installed

so if you are on mac/linux/console you have to use Real time anyway

[grizzled maple]

Do you use an OS other than microsoft?

[lost musk]

yeah, I'm on Linux Mint

[grizzled maple]

unfortunate

[true palm]

unfortunate

[grizzled maple]

then yeah you'll need real time

[true palm]

i believe vali installed windows just for the autosplitter iirc

[lost musk]

Got up a desktop version (https://github.com/CryZe/livesplit-one-desktop), but gametime doesn't work. However, this one at least registers keystrokes while in the game

[grizzled maple]

livesplit game time works by reading the game data, which is only possible with windows

just because no one has ever programmed it on other platforms

[true palm]

game times not gonna work on linux (vali tried)

[lost musk]

Actually came over a thread where it looked like people tried to implement autsplitting on Linux, but the last post was two months ago. Maybe they couldn't make it work

[grizzled maple]

seems like the case unfortunately

it's been a problem for as long as i remember

[true palm]

we use our own autosplitter as well which would need to be recoded, and im pretty sure Wine just doesnt recreate the functionality

[lost musk]

Seems so yes, couldn't get it to work, despite Livesplit seemingly working well otherwise. PRobably doens't get access to the right data

I'll be registering with geological time anyhow, so...

[true palm]

its very unfortunate

[lost musk]

yeah, really wish there were good solution for this on Linux too (and Mac for that matter)

[true palm]

wish we had a separate leaderboard at the very least

[lost musk]

yeah, will lose much time when quit-loading I suppose

[grizzled maple]

It hasn't been common enough to warrant a different leaderboard, and even then it wouldn't even make it fair. It's only an OS issue, pc specs still impact your real time

There's no way to balance this other than how we do now, unfortunately

[true palm]

should still get a ballpark estimate when comparing time with loads to other pcs (like all sub 40 rta times are top 23)

your leaderboard position wont reflect your speed, but you can still compare to yourself and others times with loads to a degree

[dark blaze]

Theres a bug if you take enviromental damage just before panth transition, it keeps the timer going thru the load

Happens in vk so much

[true palm]

current patch timer issues? no way

[lost musk]

yes, main thing for now is to try to get better myself. And maybe avoid the last spot if I do submit

[true palm]

beating veruleans anti wr is going to be hard its like 6 hours (and if you're somehow slower, please spend some more time learning before submitting)

[lost musk]

On current patch it's 4h:10m. I may be able to 'beat' that, heh. Have only gone through the game once afterall, and not beaten radiance

[true palm]

forgot its current patch

[lost musk]

but got intrigued by this speedrunning stuff when I came over some videos by fireborn and emray

[true palm]

fireborns the main traffic source, cool to see emray in the list of them

[lost musk]

without any upgrades (or few), I expect big problems with watcher knights and HK :/

[grizzled maple]

im always really surprised when people say they learned about hk runs from me because I'm like the most baby of the big hk content creators

[knotty vigil]

i just watched emrays true ending shade skip tutorial

it was very good

[grizzled maple]

it was a common question and we don't really have a resource for it

[frank obsidian]

Besides all achievements what is the longest 🐱 egory

[lost musk]

Not sure how I found them, or if it was a YT suggestion, but I watched the tutorials. The 5h achievement, and yesterday watched the hmm, 100% (iirc)

[true palm]

it was skurrys low% video that got me here (watched the documentary about true ending a while back but wasnt motivated to run until i saw skurrys run)

[grizzled maple]

all achievements is the longest

i mean there are longer speed games

[true palm]

*as of date, (low% nsoob used to be on the boards iirc)

[grizzled maple]

have you heard of baten kaitos 100%?

[lost musk]

I look forward to ticking off... I mean... watching Zote DIE. Got grief that guy is annoying. Ruined Dirtmouth 😦

[true palm]

we dont allow timer pauses so longer cats arent really enjoyable

[grizzled maple]

Endurance is a skill. You can't just go in and do long runs yeah.

I came from new gen pokemon running before hk, so 3-4 hours was a normal any% time

[true palm]

1xx categories do get grubfather break so thats good

[knotty vigil]

ok, what is devout skip and how do i do it? i can't find tutorials online

[grizzled maple]

so the first devout you can damage tank and go over. as for how literally no idea, but i think getting the opening you need is rng

[true palm]

devout skip is if the first devout backs up you pogo over it (its rng, dont recommend)

only category that goes for it is low%

[knotty vigil]

so just go for a quick kill then?

[true palm]

yup

the geo is also needed for dv stag normally

[knotty vigil]

i watched someone do that and it looked hard

[true palm]

fireborns video covers devout tanking

[thorny eagle]

Yeah I mainly started watching speedruns via fire, been branching out since then though. Took a few months but I'm finally interested enough to have searched this server out

[lost musk]

^^same here. except I only started playing the game a few weeks back. with some ragequits in between

[true palm]

https://youtu.be/Rwav_y5RFV0?t=2745 if you're still interested in devout skip i get it here

its 100% dependent on the devout backing up

[dull plank]

ok, time to (actually) speedrun

[thorny eagle]

Good lord. I started playing hk in late 2019. Mind you I didn't stick with it that long and there's been big breaks in between my active hk times but wow. Welcome to the game!

I've taken a very long and circuitous path to end up in this channel lol

Mind you I only have like 180 game hours for all that time so

[lost musk]

Thanks. it's been a wild ride, and I was quite pleased about getting through white palace. it looked hard as nails from a video I saw, after first giving up on the game (darn hard to step away tho.. haha)

[thorny eagle]

Hk is the first game I've ever been motivated to get all achievements for. Just feels good, man. Really nice feeling gameplay. I've certainly never considered speedrunning anything before

[lost musk]

Yes, it's a great game. Never considered speedrunning anything before either

[knotty vigil]

my controller died mid run, rip

fortunately i wasn't that far in though

i'm just glad it didn't happen during THK

[frank obsidian]

I find this mildly annoying, i mean IK its necessary and all, but for example when my friend started harassing me and said "Well if you dont answer ill [do thing] " so there went that run. And he did it anyway, so

[lost musk]

slightly related, but is there a tutorial of sorts for how to set up OBS with a timer and the game? I only have one monitor, so suppose it must rest in a separate workspace and then glue the stuff together in OBS

[vital geyser]

you can create multiple capture windows and have one game capture and one window capture

[thorny eagle]

I think I'm unlikely to ever try to do longer cats to actually submit because of this. Having to stay focused and at the computer for that long sounds neither fun nor healthy. That's potentially Many Hours of not being allowed a bathroom break or adequate hydration, after all

[vital geyser]

so one for livesplits one for hk

[lost musk]

thanks, that sounds easy enough

[dapper cove]

I think the problem with those longer cats are the beginning

[true palm]

the livesplit guide covers how to have one monitor for your timer, as for obs set up your layout while hollow knight is windowed

[dapper cove]

Bc you’re not going to be fast off the bat

[grizzled maple]

First things first, this isn't really the chat to share that, but also you are entitled to your space. If you don't want to be bothered during runs, you are entirely in your rights to ignore your friend. Also this is a general speedrun rule. No one allows pausing timers, except very niche games/categories such as BotW 100% which is nearly 20 hours long real time. If it were under 10, there's a good chance they wouldn't allow it either.

[dapper cove]

My first AS run took about 4 hours and that wasn’t fun bc I had to pee the entire time and didn’t want to stop

[true palm]

but id check out the livesplit guide, it covers windowed borderless

[frank obsidian]

Yeah, I wouldn't like it either.

[thorny eagle]

What's the reason behind not allowing timer pauses, by the way? I get it must be something important but I've not seen it explained anywhere

[vital geyser]

i dont want to @ the mods but is it possible to get the speedrunning role without having a verified run? My computer cant handle recording but i want to talk in the cp nmg chat

[grizzled maple]

No you will need a verified run on speedrun.com

[vital geyser]

darn

[frank obsidian]

would twitch streaming be less intensive on your computer?

[true palm]

as a general rule, only runs with timer pauses are for runs so long you literally can't do them without sleeping during the run which is very few games

[true palm]

you can record with your phone like console runners do

at least like some console runners do

[vital geyser]

alright ill try that

[frank obsidian]

you can turn on save vods and highlight it maybe

[vital geyser]

dont know. ive streamed to discord with some friends ok

[true palm]

game audio still needs to be present so you'll need it to play out loud

[frank obsidian]

music optional tho

if that helps

[vital geyser]

music OPTIONALL????

xD

[true palm]

and twitch streaming is a similar amount of cpu usage as recording because the video needs to be encoded

if you cant handle recording would just stick with your phone

specially if you only want role

[vital geyser]

yeah its really hard to play when i record so im going to try the phone thing out

[thorny eagle]

I've watched runs where people have game music off and their music on, which like, I understand wanting to do, but it still unnerves me when I watch and don't hear the game music 😅

[frank obsidian]

yeah lol

[vital geyser]

the THK music still makes me tense af even if the fight isnt as hard as it used to be

[frank obsidian]

Im more of an "HK OST" turned up to 100 at the dinner table

[vital geyser]

respec

[thorny eagle]

Oh big mood. I blast this ost while cooking or cleaning sometimes too

[dapper cove]

I’ve been learning it on piano

[vital geyser]

most intense cleaning ever

[dapper cove]

I know the theme and I’m working on hornet next

[true palm]

the thk music uses the same leitmotifs as the main theme, but the ending never resolves properly, causing lots of tension but this is getting a little off topic

[vital geyser]

speedrunning thk music not off topic

[frank obsidian]

All OST% when?

[dapper cove]

It’s also present, but warped, when near your shade and in the nursery in white palace

[vital geyser]

but do you have to get the action loops?

[thorny eagle]

I've learned main theme, resting grounds, about half of bonebottom, and dicked around with a half dozen other hk tracks too. Great music to play

[dapper cove]

And with broken vessel and false knight I believe

[thorny eagle]

This would actually be a really amusing piano thing. imagine trying to play the ost as fast as possible

[vital geyser]

the abyss background is like 10x slowed main theme

[dapper cove]

Yeah

It’s subtly present in so so many areas

[jagged vault]

This feels a bit offtopic to this channel

[digital jewel]

this conversation is really offtopic

[dapper cove]

Ok

[vital geyser]

mb

[thorny eagle]

Legit

So the resources channel is kind of confusing, is there a different timer thing for every category or is it more....different configs of the same timer? Is there an acknowledged best timer?

There's a lot in there, even in the pins, and I'm not sure where to start

[digital jewel]

livesplit is the timer

you need to have a splits file which contains info about what the segments of the run are

and that's category specific

[true palm]

https://livesplit.org/downloads/

[thorny eagle]

Ahhh that makes sense

[true palm]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/cg9vl

there you go

[jagged vault]

The split file you can either download or configure yourself

[true palm]

first link is download

second link is guide on setup

[frank obsidian]

Downloading split file=fast. Configuring it=fun (IMO)

[thorny eagle]

And the savestates stuff - what do you need installed to get savestates to practice on? There's lots of downloadable savestates for different cats which I can see, but I'm not sure how they work. What I've seen in videos implies it's sort of like making a quicksave?

[true palm]

the standard splits are in the categories comsob sheets in each channels pins

[jagged vault]

You need the debug mod and the modding API

[true palm]

theres a guide on src for that as well

[jagged vault]

It is recommended to have a separate install for this, seeing as neither are allowed for leaderboard runs

[thorny eagle]

Right. Okay. Do I remember correctly that during runs you're not allowed to have the modding API on?

Ah yep there we go

[jagged vault]

Yeah so pretty much you wanna have one practice install and one run install

[thorny eagle]

I'm an old hat at modding games at least so hopefully I should be okay setting that up

[jagged vault]

The guide on src is really helpful

[thorny eagle]

Although I've never done separate steam installs of the same game before except by having two separate exes, one for modded one for vanilla

Ok I've got this all screenshotted for whenever I inevitably give in and start trying to speedrun haha

Thank you

[true palm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-aCaVTAUtc&t=2s

just save that somewhere

also conveniently happens to be in a playlist for the best any% tutorial out there

[thorny eagle]

Oh I was watching those to go to sleep a few weeks ago haha. Along with various wr runs

Not the install video though

Didn't know there was one

I think I jumped in at the greenpath one

[true palm]

welp if you need another one to fall asleep to pisces all skills one is pretty in depth as well

as is vysuals 1xx

[thorny eagle]

That sounds excellent. Extremely in depth repetitive discussion of room by room movement is like.....really soothing

[true palm]

yup

i've done the same thing

[dapper cove]

i like to set up my timer myself bc i just do idk i don't have a reason it's just a preference of mine

[tired drum]

Whats the main differences between patches? Can I follow a Route on patch 1.1.1. summin on current patch for my SS100% under 20 hours

[true palm]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[true palm]

the guides for full game completion are very different

than speedrun routes

[tired drum]

Indeed

[true palm]

for ss 100% in under 20, i'll see if i can find a guide

[grizzled maple]

I have a guide on youtube for the 100% achievement

should be able to find it by simply searching

[true palm]

tbh you can kind of just wing it if youve beaten the game before

[dark blaze]

https://youtu.be/Yl9mU9Nozoc

[true palm]

that would be the one

[dark blaze]

Pastebin in desc

[grizzled maple]

yeah it should be absolutely free. the route i do is similar to the speedrun but with some safeties. dying to dream bosses will not kill you so fighting them early isn't completely terrifying

[tired drum]

Yeah I think it likely I could be fine but 20 hour steel soul save aint summin im keen on repeating

[grizzled maple]

i dont have a pastebin for this one hunt

[dark blaze]

Ohh

[true palm]

you can also pick up an extra mask by the time you leave crossroads

you can watch a 4ms run, they get it in like 9 minutes

[dark blaze]

I thought the one in desc was route but im blind

[grizzled maple]

getting dream gate by fighting the full dream bosses early ends up saving you a lot of running around stress. normal enemies are much worse than bosses

[tired drum]

Im 5H in already lol, havent got wings yet

trying to avoid back tracking

[true palm]

anyways that and the hollow knight wiki are going to be your best bets, so with that we'll send you off #hk-discussion (sorry) if you have further questions

good luck

[tired drum]

Cheers boys and Grills

[dark blaze]

Gl

[tired drum]

Ty

[tranquil atlas]

First any% run

sub 1:30 lets go

[true palm]

thk appeared to do some bullying i see

and so did watcher knights

[tranquil atlas]

yeah

[true palm]

good job finishing!

[tranquil atlas]

i just learned where to go and did barely any practice

[dapper cove]

that's how i do it too lmao

i just use it as a baseline bc if you practice before starting you may end up practicing things you didn't really need to practice

[true palm]

(meanwhile took 30 in-game hours between debug mod install and first run )

[true palm]

practice sucks but if you want to get low times its the most effective way, but while you're first learning you'll get faster just playing the game more

[dapper cove]

shhhhh

idk if you're referencing me but shhhh i know it took me a while

[true palm]

no it was me

i spent 30 hours learning the route before i could even attempt running because the category is a little bit demanding

[dapper cove]

oh lol

[knotty vigil]

i've downpatched the game to 1.2.2.1, but when i run the game, it's still 1.4.3.2 ( i opened the game with the new .exe file) , is there something that i missed ?

[haughty fossil]

did you follow the whole tutorial off speedrun.com, including the "installation" section?

[low bramble]

if you did all that, try opening as administrator

[knotty vigil]

i did the multiple patches one because i still wanna keep my current version and 1221 at the same time

alright, lemme try that

[frank obsidian]

If OST% became a meme cat would anyone run it

[dapper cove]

could you please not use that word? it's highly offensive

[hearty adder]

That's probably just 112%

[frank obsidian]

oh yeaaaaah

i didnt think that thru

[knotty vigil]

ok ? i dont know why you got offended when im talking about myself but uh... sorry

[dapper cove]

in general the word has a very horrible and offensive background

[frank obsidian]

Because the r-word is a slur

[dapper cove]

and i'd prefer if people dind't use that word at all

[knotty vigil]

ok ok, gotcha

[short spire]

the only reason it didn't get auto deleted is that you misspelled it lol

[dull plank]

mmm 50 minutes in only to stop for shade skip

[knotty vigil]

i was just having a really good run with only golds and green splits but then it didn't autosplit at beasts den and i didn't realize till later and then i couldn't remember how to fix it

[hearty adder]

If you show us your splits and your autosplits we could help

However, if the timer kept going after you killed thk, it can be retimed by a verifier

[knotty vigil]

i already quit the run

and didn't save the splits, i probably shouldn't of done that

it was the first run i've had that made it past WK since my 54:13. anyway it's probably my bad

also, should i have "end triggering autosplit" turned on?

[true palm]

its not needed

its used for meme cats that end on something other than thk/radiance/absrad

[hearty adder]

If you turned on "end triggering autosplit" on an any% run the timer would stop after you got Herrah (or thk scream, if you split there)

[knotty vigil]

ok good thing i didn't turn it on then

i should get back to running now, hopefully it goes better this time

[stiff delta]

gl

[frank obsidian]

whats the name of THK scream if u split there?

[limpid ruin]

Chains I believe

Bc I always thought of it being the chain breaking

[lost musk]

started a recording and that certainly went well. got lost, ran into gruz mother, died, and back to the bench 😂

[hearty adder]

having route notes on hand is very helpful to avoid getting lost

if you have livesplit on, it's also helpful to add some extra splits to help guide you

[lost musk]

yeah, simply not very familiar with the routes in a setting like this, and when playing I use the map all the time

have a livesplit up (sort of), but in a different workspace/screen

[knotty vigil]

at this point i've died more to infected vengeflies then i have to watcher knights

[molten aurora]

So I just inventory dropped after grabbing shade soul, now I can't move

Wait, this isn't going away even after save quitting, hmmmmm.

[dapper cove]

Mmmmm

[brittle valley]

I'm having some problems with downpatching to 1221, Is there an FAQ to show common that go wrong or can someone lemme know. The problem is that the Depot Download keeps failing, error writing chunk in the Stream Console.

[onyx spade]

all I can suggest is look at the guide on src for downpatching https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten if you weren't before, hopefully someone who knows what they're doing can help you soon

[snow dome]

You can check people's Pbs on Speedrun.com

[grand elm]

46:04, but on current patch