speedrunning

[unkempt goblet]

Idk

[daring tangle]

thank u all for help i appreciate

[stiff delta]

I wish you could juggle hornet

[daring tangle]

ahhaa

[pallid sage]

You can almost stun lock her...but not quite

[stiff delta]

You can pretty effectively lock hornet

[pallid sage]

But if you can goad her into throwing her needle, you can very nearly kill her in one go

[daring tangle]

how?

[unkempt goblet]

Stagger up spell stagger ip

[stray kestrel]

this attack resets her stagger counter

[pallid sage]

Shriek is risky on Hornet. She can bounce around and land on you if you’re not careful

[unkempt goblet]

Ye

[stray kestrel]

shriek tends to suck hornet into you

ddark and shade soul are generally whats used

[stiff delta]

The general strat or at least the one i go for is after a stagger, hit upslash hit hit (ie follow her jump) then slight jump fireball and pray for a double

Rinse and repeat

[stray kestrel]

shade soul also is really good for clearing out the barbs she puts out

[stiff delta]

Oh wait

H2

Im ape brained

[daring tangle]

does anyone here know anything about menu storage or inv storage idk what it means

[pallid sage]

Well, not if you’re doing fury strats in P1

[jagged vault]

Those are major glitches tv

[daring tangle]

what are they

[jagged vault]

They store a game state

[daring tangle]

not the same as inv drop

[jagged vault]

No

Different

Very different

[daring tangle]

sorry for asking lots of questions

[pallid sage]

That’s what this channel is for

[hazy birch]

i mean tbh h2 kinda be like that too, just with the ddarks mixed in on nail throws

[daring tangle]

tanks

[stiff delta]

Neat

[daring tangle]

ok gtg continue school lol

[stray kestrel]

basically if you have control of the knight when you have your inventory open

[daring tangle]

OH

ive seen that in gitch runs

[stray kestrel]

there's a bit more to it than that but that covers a lot of it

yea glitched runs abuse it a ton

[spiral plank]

grass% is hype lol but i think rag% would be better

[unkempt goblet]

The abyss shreik ouched me

[low bramble]

*two races

[unkempt goblet]

Im done grinding for now

[knotty vigil]

i just lost a really good run to those infected vengeflys in the crossroads

[stiff delta]

F

[hearty adder]

infected vengeflies are bullies, don't worry about it

if you're just starting out, imo it's best to keep going rather than resetting

[stiff delta]

Worst enemy in the game ???????????

[knotty vigil]

i had like a 3:51 VS split which is really good for my standards

[onyx spade]

3:51 VS on CP is v good

[stiff delta]

Thats only like 10 ish seconds off comsob right?

[onyx spade]

Yeah comsob is 42 or 43

[normal aspen]

41

[onyx spade]

Ah

[normal aspen]

onmiwe just hasnt updated it

[digital jewel]

41 is on par with a sub 3:30 on 1221 right?

you lose 8s from the later split timing and you lose 6s in kp

[true palm]

basically, especially since cursed elevator inventory drop

[knotty vigil]

what is comsob?

[true palm]

community sum of best

[knotty vigil]

ah

[grizzled maple]

they're in pins in their respective channels

[digital jewel]

the best time anyone has gotten

[true palm]

the closer your golds are to comsob the more you know about the category

[knotty vigil]

how do you even get 3:41? do you skip something that you don't normally skip in any%?

[jagged vault]

The combined best splits in the community

[digital jewel]

no?

[grizzled maple]

this seems like a bad way to word this

[jagged vault]

No, just near perfect execution

[digital jewel]

you're probably just going slowly through a lot of rooms

[true palm]

probably not the best

[grizzled maple]

it just means that your max potential is near the max we know is possible

[digital jewel]

and there's some rng as well

[true palm]

are you hitting the first inventory drop?

[knotty vigil]

yeah

[jagged vault]

I mean we get what cyn’s intention with it was

[grizzled maple]

my 112 golds are near world record. that does not mean i can get world record

just means that i've tapped that over several runs

[jagged vault]

There’s a corellation at least

[true palm]

consistency and knowledge are different

point being a 3:51 is incredibly good starting out

[grizzled maple]

knowledge and experience are also different

[true palm]

it usually takes quite a while to get times that low

[grizzled maple]

i can pick up hk and beat most runners after months off. that's not knowledge, that's experience and muscle memory

i also know a lot about any% but have a solid 37

they are not compatible comparisons

[true palm]

at this point we're getting into semantics imo

i agree word choice was not the finest but the concept was conveyed

[knotty vigil]

in cp is it better to inventory drop after breaking the big wall or do i just jump off?

[digital jewel]

there's no benefit to inventory dropping there

[onyx spade]

you can hard fall cancel when you land

[digital jewel]

you only lose right movement

[knotty vigil]

how do you hard fall cancel in cp?

[onyx spade]

by opening and closing your inv when you touch the ground

[knotty vigil]

oh

[onyx spade]

it only saves a few frames though

[knotty vigil]

so probably not worth it

[hallow orchid]

It saves 0.4

[onyx spade]

I mean it’s not hard at all, so might as well

[hallow orchid]

It's free timesave so do it yeah

[knotty vigil]

i guess yeah

[hearty adder]

Yeah, you lose nothing by doing it

if you miss-time it you just get regular hardfall

not that big a deal considering people started doing it very recently anyways

we take that free timesave

[knotty vigil]

im just bad with inventory navigation and getting the timing of closing the inventory

[stark birch]

if you go for underplat you have no reason not to inv hardfall cancel

and if you don't go for underplat you have to make up those frames with the inv hardfall cancel

tl;dr do inv hardfall cancel

[knotty vigil]

ok

[hearty adder]

if you don't go for underplat then are you even living

[knotty vigil]

idk what underplat is

sorry im new

[stark birch]

spoken like someone who has never lost a run to the underplat dunk

[onyx spade]

what is underplat here

[stark birch]

underplat is a swag trick in crystal peaks where you go under a platform instead of over it

[knotty vigil]

oh that one

[hearty adder]

i almost did the other day, everyday i'm closer to being a real speedrunner

[knotty vigil]

ive seen that before

[onyx spade]

I’m sitting here thinking there was some new KP underplat lol

[stark birch]

oh yeah no probably my bad I just wanted another trick that saves a negligible amount of time that people go for

[onyx spade]

also I have never lost a run to underplat 🙂

[jagged vault]

Same😤

[stark birch]

ok we get it i'm bad

or alternately crystal peaks just enjoys punishing me for running myla%

[low bramble]

you’re not a real runner until you dunk in underplat

[analog monolith]

attempt 2 of asking for speedrunner role https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/y42076km https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/mk7wgp5y

edit: it worked

[onyx spade]

I’m not a real runner

[hallow orchid]

I've never lost* a run* to underplat

• All things that are lost are gateways to that which is found. With each lost run comes the hope of a better early game

[low bramble]

@digital jewel

[analog monolith]

i have legit never tried underplat in a run and probably should

[low bramble]

absolutely should

[hallow orchid]

Underplat is more meme than timesave

[analog monolith]

i have actually never tried dboost cycle cdash gauntlet

[hallow orchid]

It's like .5 lol

[analog monolith]

granted i've completed like 2 runs but

[stark birch]

honestly is it that much? I thought it was like half that much timesave lol

[hallow orchid]

I have no real idea tbh it's too much of a meme to know the actual timesave

[analog monolith]

most of the timesave probably comes from doing 2 dashes in the single airtime rather than only getting 1

[low bramble]

saves 4 years and guarantees good rng

[analog monolith]

i can see it being half a second

[hearty adder]

i dunno if that much

but timesave is timesave

[stark birch]

the only trick that saves 4 years is overcharming soul eater for colos

[analog monolith]

i might actually do a run later

[stark birch]

all else is secondary

[analog monolith]

ok question

do i do a run offstream

or do i stream it

[hallow orchid]

Also shoptimization

[analog monolith]

streaming it runs the risk of lagging the hell out of screen transitions

but also i want to stream either today or tomorrow

[hearty adder]

shorter loads are good for the soul (as in, you won't suffer as much)

[stark birch]

"also shoptimization" -- mr math "i will never overcharm soul eater because oblobbles bullied me" thulu

[analog monolith]

no like

i get 40 second load times sometimes

[hallow orchid]

Quack oblobbles are fine, obbles bully me

[analog monolith]

obbles are free soul

for moss knight quick kill

[stark birch]

ok then how do I get oblobbles to not bully me

specifically pantheon oblobbles with the florist loadout

[hearty adder]

don't play on stream if your pc struggles that much

[hallow orchid]

You die to obbles

Ah, well

You die to cg1

[analog monolith]

fair

i mean

recording is almost as bad tbh

[daring tangle]

oblobbles suck

i get hit way too much

[short spire]

#hk-discussion

[frank obsidian]

i was about to pb on aluba% and died to the hecking mossknight at the lake

[knotty vigil]

I don’t know if I’m supposed to be here

[grizzled maple]

are you looking for speedrunning info?

[knotty vigil]

Kinda

Any clue on hornet skip.

How to do?

[grizzled maple]

hornet skip?

You'll need to be a little more specific

[frank obsidian]

Do you mean the fireball jump in greenpath?

[analog monolith]

i feel like that might be like

hornet 2 aspid pogo

[grizzled maple]

There's a large amount of things they could be asking about

[digital jewel]

it could be like 10 different things. queens station fireball skip for example

[analog monolith]

mm

that would indeed skip hornet

[digital jewel]

[hallow orchid]

clearly they're asking about cdashing past hornet to skip the fight using dialogue storage

[knotty vigil]

does anyone know which is faster? skipping the hornet dialogue with a VS or using the VS to deal damage in the fight?

[digital jewel]

the full answer is complicated

but usually the dialogue skip is not going to be worth it

[knotty vigil]

ok

[hallow orchid]

rule of thumb I use is go for it if I'm on full soul, don't otherwise

[digital jewel]

yeah that's a good rule of thumb

the logic is that usually you'd prefer the fireball damage instead of the fireball skip

but if you end the fight with 3 hits of soul or more, then you could have done the skip for free

the exact numbers depend on how many fireball double hits you get in the fight though

[daring tangle]

green path skips are hard i.e fireball skip i usually mess it up and end up doing the fly pogo

[frank obsidian]

GN everyone!

[gloomy bane]

i can do path of pains runs in a save file that already completed it in pc? i know i get the penalty but even i prefer to do get it than playing in save file that dont have it

[normal aspen]

No, only consoles where you can't just load in the save allow the time penalty

[gloomy bane]

so i have to get a save file and use it every time i want to do a run?

[normal aspen]

Just download the PoP file on SRC and paste it in whenever you hit the lever

[gloomy bane]

src?

[desert kiln]

speedrun.com

[gloomy bane]

oh

[quiet saddle]

Question: Does this invalidate my run?

https://clips.twitch.tv/GlutenFreeResolutePlumberOMGScoots-vZzLBPpHuZ31CuUb

I got float accidentally and quit out to get rid of float

[short spire]

generally any glitch that's accidental and doesn't save time will not invalidate anything

[grizzled maple]

Yeah if you just get rid of the glitch you're good

[leaden python]

nice float setup tho

[quiet saddle]

Rofl, that was so tilting at first when it happened

Cuz I had the shaman stone on, but a chatter asked if I had it on and just, by coincidence, I was going through a transition so I inventory'd right after to show it

Queue almost-heart-attack XD

First ever completed run (on non-debug mod) :D

Pretty happy with it; sub hour was my goal

[analog monolith]

:o

[grizzled maple]

Pretty solid first run honestly

[analog monolith]

nice!!!!

[quiet saddle]

I got mad fortunate in it

I don't think I accidentally died at all

1st tried all the bosses, didn't die in Peaks/Herrah. It felt nice.

[leaden python]

that's legit bonkers time for a first run. GG!

[quiet saddle]

Thanks!

The practice grind paid off hard

I feel like the bosses would've merked me if I didn't practice them as much as I did

[leaden python]

yeah that's a wise choice for an any% run

[quiet saddle]

I can't imagine if I'd just tried to yolo Watcher Knights

[true palm]

welp youd start with a 2 hour run probably

[quiet saddle]

Yea, they were brutal

I probably attempted to fight them over 100 times by now

[leaden python]

my story in hk speedrunning started with an any% run where I died to WK for like 2 hours and then I spent another hour on infected vengefly room before cpeaks

[quiet saddle]

Bruh, that room sucks

[low bramble]

current patch im assuming

[leaden python]

no wonder I don't have any% run on a leaderboard lol

[low bramble]

that room is BRUTAL

[quiet saddle]

Prob my least fav individual room in the game

[leaden python]

yeah current patch aerto

[low bramble]

yea that rooms brutal on current patch

[quiet saddle]

What's diff on curr patch?

Are the flys...even faster

😭

[analog monolith]

luckily it's a bunch of vengefly pogos to get soul and heal with

[leaden python]

yeah, they're a bit more aggressive, and tiktik cycle is a bit tighter

which summed up makes this room pretty cursed

[quiet saddle]

Yea, that sounds brutal

Can't wait for my blue name >:)

[knotty vigil]

is this allowed? never seen it happen before

[stiff delta]

Thats kinda funny

but otherwise its basically just a slide so it should be allowed

[knotty vigil]

ok

[stiff delta]

Doesnt look like it saves time and it doesnt seem intentional so that applies too

[analog monolith]

yes

it's one of those things where you hit a slope during a menu drop and it sends you nyoom

but without the slope

afaik

[grizzled maple]

Ah yeah thats just inv dropping jank. Theres even some practical uses

For example watch valignatevs 106 run going from spike pogo grub to gruz mom. Its right after cpeaks and dream nail

I think he does it there

[limpid ruin]

Yea, it's just inventory dropping on slopes makes woosh go fast and sideways a bit

[grizzled maple]

Confirmed he does but im on mobile so I can't post timestamp

[limpid ruin]

Like 30 minutes in ish?

[grizzled maple]

About 31

Almost even

[exotic thunder]

that bounce off the bottom plat lmao

[leaden python]

that looks so swag

[quiet saddle]

Hey, for submitting my run, what do I enter as real time? Like do I just grab the timestamps from when auto splitter starts then ends and do the math?

[stark birch]

that works

you can also toggle the livesplit comparison to real time

but if you've already reset+saved the splits to go to submit just do the math

[jaunty anvil]

if u dont put anything the verifier will put it in

i beleive RTA starts as soon as u choose ur gamemode

[grizzled maple]

If you used livesplit go to edit splits. Theres a left tab for real time and game time is the default

It tracks both even if real time isn't visible

[jaunty anvil]

why did the knight fall so so fast here ?

[quiet saddle]

Sick, that's perfect

Next question: for ms, do they want the percentages or do they want the actual MS?

I'm guessing percentages since that's what autosplitter shows

[grizzled maple]

Wait whats ms

[quiet saddle]

milliseconds

[stark birch]

MS is removed unless it's a specific IL or a tied wr, don't worry about it

[grizzled maple]

Yeah just leave that blank always

[quiet saddle]

Ok dope

Thanks everyone! I look forward to being blue soon

https://clips.twitch.tv/CrazyProtectiveTitanPeteZaroll-NznoIIVWNe3yolDJ - this is my reaction to the PB (warning: F word used a lot)

[jaunty anvil]

why the melee icons

[quiet saddle]

My main game is SSBM; I've been playing it competitively since 2018

So i thought it was a cool shout out to my "roots" as a gamer :)

[thin garnet]

Yo nice run compared to mine

[analog monolith]

inventory drop: opening your inventory uncaps your vertical speed, making the knight continue accelerating until hitting the ground. also makes it so that you can immediately act out of a long fall. on current patch, only possible off breakable ground or with a frame-perfect (0.02s window) inventory input

[analog monolith]

smash 👀

[thin garnet]

Only works on pc for inventory drop

Because older patch

[analog monolith]

current patch is mentioned yes

[jaunty anvil]

@analog monolith yeah i fucking know what a menu drop is but why did that one work like that like why did the knight fall even faster than normal

[analog monolith]

oh lol

my bad

[jaunty anvil]

all g haha

[dry sluice]

it didn't, the camera just doesn't always follow properly

it was a normal inventory drop

[jaunty anvil]

right]

[analog monolith]

that looked about normal yeah

[jaunty anvil]

why does the camera fuck up

[stiff delta]

spaghetti

[analog monolith]

it sucks at following fast knight

[stiff delta]

like everything

[analog monolith]

bc not made for fast knight

[dry sluice]

an earlier inv drop

[jaunty anvil]

well yeah

[stiff delta]

this game was literally made at an olive garden

[jaunty anvil]

wait so it happened cuz i did it more early than normal

[dry sluice]

yes

[jaunty anvil]

we dont hav olive garden in aus

[stiff delta]

inferior country i guess /shrug

[jaunty anvil]

tfw no olive garden

[normal aspen]

[analog monolith]

mcdonalds cheeseburger code

then

[stiff delta]

insom you are missing out

[dry sluice]

if you inv drop before the camera starts moving down you'll fall faster than the camera goes, if you wait for it to start it'll follow you properly regarless of how fast you fall

[analog monolith]

hmm

actually didn't know that that's cool

[jaunty anvil]

thanku krythom

[quiet saddle]

👀

[analog monolith]

dm

[stiff smelt]

First run ill ever be posting if it recorded well.
I had a very bad thk fight and died twice because of stress haha. But im Still very happy i got a sub 50.

[true palm]

solid time specially for a first run

[stiff smelt]

Thank you.

[true palm]

wait thats current patch too

damn

[stiff smelt]

Ya its current patch

[true palm]

thats really good

[obtuse dome]

Hey! I also did a sub 50 pb that i'm going to submit as my first run! What are the odds!

[stiff smelt]

hahaha thats funny.

good job on your run

[daring tangle]

thats super good

do i have to get the timer to submit a run?

i am wondering bc in superliminal there was a timer top corner that ment u didnt have to use the timer w splits

[jaunty anvil]

i mean

if u want loadless time u need livesplit anyway

so u may aswell

fireb0rn has a rlly good guide on how 2 setup n use it

[daring tangle]

true i have a slower computer so that would help

[daring tangle]

hes such a great content creator he has everything

[honest folio]

Isnt the steam one outdated? Correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought the steam console downpatch doesnt work on newer versions of the steam client, i used Verulean's method with DepotDownloader

[quiet saddle]

Fireb0rn guides carry me

[quiet saddle]

I got mine to work with Steam. Did it a month ago

[honest folio]

Oh, huh, guess i'm wrong then haha

Just keep it in mind as a backup method if the other doesnt work

[grand token]

I was wondering where I could find the current All Skills tournament brackets/standings/pairing and at which time the runs are on stream, i looked at the pins on #races-discussion and #all-skills but I only found MonStah spreadsheet

[verbal stag]

https://smash.gg/tournament/hollow-knight-all-skills-nmg-community-tournament/details for the standings/matchups

http://schedule.speedgaming.org/hkas for stream schedule

[grand token]

Thanks!

[devout wing]

finally, my first recorded run

[golden bobcat]

Can I ask someone questions about LiveSplit here?

[jagged vault]

yeah, ask away and we might be able to help

[golden bobcat]

I've created a section for any%, if I rename it and start making splits for All Skills. Can I switch back to any% and play without the spliys being ruined or do I need to do anything more to save my any% splits?

[snow dome]

You will want to just create a new splits file for a new category

[kind flume]

If you do it this way, make sure to choose Save As... instead of Save, so you don't overwrite the old setup

[snow dome]

Click "Save as" and then type in the new name for your splits first

That way you can't mess it up! 😄

[golden bobcat]

What splits should I use for All Skills?

[snow dome]

You'll want to look at either a run on the leaderboards, or the ComSoB sheet in #all-skills

[deep kernel]

Is there a way to not need to go into the keyboard settings after quitting out every time when using mouse inputs on 1.2.2.1?

[jagged vault]

heya! there is a solution for this

if you check in #resources , there's a downloadable executable called Blue.exe

this will, when active, make all your left clicks turn into an "H" and all your right clicks turn into a "T"

so all you need to do, is bind your left and right mouse inputs to "h" and "t" ingame

and run the program while playing!

[serene raptor]

if you speedrun why do you get lumefly lantern instead of desolete dive

[onyx spade]

getting geo for lantern is faster than going through all of sanctum

[steady lynx]

Dive slow

[serene raptor]

has any 1 testet it

[last inlet]

yes

[steady lynx]

Yes, multiple people

[serene raptor]

okay

[weary root]

A lot of time is lost as well cause dive hard saves you when you collect it, so you have to walk all the way out of sanctum instead of quitting to a bench

[steady lynx]

The only categories that get dive pretty much hard require it for the category

All Skills, 1xx, Elderbug%

[digital jewel]

speedrunners stopped getting dive almost 4 years ago already

and skipping it saves minutes

[steady lynx]

If it wasn't for the autosave it'd almost be viable for TE

But that'd be a completely different route with dash slash

Did you get dive before the shade skip was found?

[harsh mason]

dont let the naysayers stop you

be the diver you want to be testet man

[digital jewel]

umm I'm pretty sure they knew about shade skip for a little bit before they routed dive out but idk

people were already doing lantern route by the time I joined

[steady lynx]

Most of the early 2017 runners aren't around much anymore right

Could check the first run on src later though

[frigid rapids]

Pretty sure Serena, Monstah and Fire are still around 😏

Simo too, maybe Mick joined in 2017 as well

[steady lynx]

I'll just ask Monstah next time he appears

[deep kernel]

all i get is this

[jagged vault]

that is correct

now your clicks do h and t

try it on here in the chat box

[deep kernel]

ht

;)

[jagged vault]

now just bind the left and right clicks to that ingame and you're good to go

[deep kernel]

k thanks :D

[jagged vault]

the program is a bit annoying when doing other stuff, just a lot of random "h"s everywhere

so make sure to quit it when not playing

[deep kernel]

k

[jagged vault]

gl on running the game! ❤️

[elfin rampart]

Just got my first sub 40😁

[lost musk]

Asked yesterday about Linux. Got Livesplit to run with Wine, but the autosplit didn't work, and actually not even the ingame timer (but realtime). Bit disappointing

Is video required to submit btw? Just in case I manage to get it up and running, with a shitty time

[frank obsidian]

It took me a solid minute to realize how to get to the aluba in aluba% my first run lol

[leaden python]

Are you running the game on wine as well?

I'm not sure if running native hk will work with wine livesplit

video is required, yeah. you can check submission rules on speedrun.com

[frank obsidian]

You technincally dont need to use livesplit, but it looks cool, and is fun, and it MASSIVELY improves your time.

[untold sigil]

is there a completionist speedrun
like for getting every collectible

and hunters journal completed

[lost musk]

Neh, I'm running the game natively. Maybe Livesplit then can't access the memory (sounds like that is how it works?) since the game and Livesplit is sort of in different areas

[haughty fossil]

closest is all achievements, which is more of a challenge run for twitch partners than a speedrun but

[digital jewel]

yes livesplit needs to read the memory to do game time and autosplitting

[haughty fossil]

if both can run through wine then maybe? i know a few people dual boot windows just for hk running though

[frank obsidian]

What do u mean for twitch partners?

[haughty fossil]

it's a tradition that when you get partner you do an all achievements run

[frank obsidian]

ah

[lost musk]

Possibly, tho kinda strange to run it in Wine when there is a native build. I'm surprised there aren't better timers for Linux tbh. I've looked around but not found all that much

[frank obsidian]

guess im never running it then

wait are u allowed to run it w/o partner?

[jagged vault]

yes

it's just a category

it's 10 hours long though

[frank obsidian]

oop

Yeah I cant record that

[jagged vault]

which is why it's tradition for partners to force themselves to do it as a meme

[frank obsidian]

Maybe if i strim it and highight it

[jagged vault]

i mean either way you're sitting 10 hours in a single sitting

and 7 hours of the run are on steel soul

so any mistake will kill you

[frank obsidian]

How close are you to partner? Asking for a friend

[jagged vault]

it's like two 112 runs in a row but slightly different and harder

[frank obsidian]

I mean in theory it sounds fun, but in practice it sounds like a nightmare

Mainly bc I forgot steel soul achivs exist

[digital jewel]

the tools exist for windows and not linux, and it's a lot easier for linux users to dual boot rather than creating new tools

[haughty fossil]

one day livesplit will exist on linux jk i mean one day livesplit one will get autosplitter support
there's no winning

[lost musk]

Aye, but then I'd need to have Windows installed 😄 (even if in dual boot)

I did years ago, but then removed it at some point as I never used it anyway (and it was probably very insecure when I did given Win7's state)

[haughty fossil]

in any case, i'm pretty sure livesplit autosplitters will only work on windows, unless you can do some black magic to get it to work in wine, because of the memory access shenanigans

[lost musk]

Yeah, looks that way

[digital jewel]

you can just time in real-time if you don't care much about being competitive

[lost musk]

True, and maybe I can get one of the other timers to work, even if autosplitting won't work (which would be REALLY handy)

[leaden python]

yeah the only reason windows exists on my pc is livesplit

[lost musk]

😛

[haughty fossil]

keep in mind it's not just autosplitting, but the autosplitter also handles the load time removal, so any time RTA will be incredibly uncomfy

[leaden python]

I guess I started playing other games on windows since I already installed it, but livesplit was the original reason

[lost musk]

I'd be nowhere near competitive anyway, so for now it's just to get this thing working, and maybe lower my times with more experience

Boggles the mind how you guys can win the game in barely half an hour!

[frank obsidian]

imma pretend I understand what's being said right now

[frank obsidian]

11ish mins if ur willing to break the game

[lost musk]

Hah, that's nuts. Anyway, if I can do it in 5 hours for the achievements, that would be a good goal

[frank obsidian]

Watcher Knights be like

[lost musk]

Haha, those guys are brutal. The fights against them and HK look like black magic to me. Incredible skill

(and abuse I suppose, but that goes with the territory)

[frank obsidian]

Lol

[lost musk]

...meanwhile, Radiance kicked my arse in about 7 seconds 😄

[frank obsidian]

saaaame when i first tried

[untold sigil]

what's 105 percent?

[digital jewel]

106% but you forgot something

[untold sigil]

ohhh
so like
if you're doing a 106% but you forget something you just put it there

[true palm]

ye its a bit of a meme

[untold sigil]

is there anyone who does it competitively

[digital jewel]

no

that would defeat the point

[untold sigil]

ok

I've heard great hopper% is insane

like
way too cursed

[true palm]

basically, it does the true ending shadeskip but harder and than another cursed shadeskip, aspid pogos and thats the category

[frank obsidian]

whats te shadeship

[low bramble]

no claw shade skip

[frank obsidian]

oof

[low bramble]

very cursed you can look up a TE run and see it

[jagged vault]

used in True Ending NMG

it's not too cursed really

[low bramble]

and the one in gh% doesn’t have dash either

[frank obsidian]

and whats the cursed one? that he mentions seperately?

[jagged vault]

it looks a lot harder that it is

[low bramble]

(says the TE runner)

[last inlet]

as a te runner i can confirm it's not that bad

[elfin gulch]

Is it possible to skip crystal heart and instead get ismas tear? I just want other opinions on weather or not it'll save time. (Not tryna change the subject sorry)

[last inlet]

hold on let me get a clip real quick

[jagged vault]

it loses a lot of time

[elfin gulch]

Really

[frank obsidian]

oooooh is it the one blue used to do with the parries and fireballs?

[jagged vault]

crystal heart is a lot faster

[elfin gulch]

Huh

Ok

[jagged vault]

it was theorized to be faster years ago with an alternative route that did a near impossible skip

[low bramble]

if you can do mag skip it doesn’t lose a lot of time

[frank obsidian]

^

[sonic crane]

early ismas is very cursed

[jagged vault]

that route died once runners started doing nail0

[low bramble]

https://twitter.com/ins0mniasr/status/1325753650635923456?s=21

ins0mnia (@ins0mniaSR)

I got a skip that had been proven possible by Magolor9000, one of the original pioneers of randomizer skips, over THREE YEARS ago. https://t.co/rTNiKtpxmR

▶ Play video

Twitter · Nov 9, 2020, 10:54 AM

[elfin gulch]

Yeah im working on the skip. Its is. . . nearly impossible

[jagged vault]

not worth learning (imo)

cdash is both easier and faster

in every way

[frank obsidian]

I think they're the only two who have gotten it

[low bramble]

unless u just like skips

[elfin gulch]

Im losing my sanity trying to do it haha

[low bramble]

i don’t even think mag even got the skip

just theorized it

[elfin gulch]

Skips are my friend

[frank obsidian]

[low bramble]

somnis nutty at skips

[frank obsidian]

So only one person has EVER done it?!

[jagged vault]

somni gamer

and cute

yes

[frank obsidian]

That's scary

[low bramble]

damn aussie

[frank obsidian]

It makes QGA look like a statue pogo

[jagged vault]

that's why the route died (besides from being slower ig)

[sonic crane]

wall slash turnaround fireball is uh, something

[jagged vault]

like, one person has gotten it while grinding it

imagine doing it every run

[last inlet]

a little late but here's te shade skip

[low bramble]

with saves states too

[sonic crane]

and thats just one part lol

[frank obsidian]

You also had to upgrade ur nail so u can get monarch wings too

[jagged vault]

yes, and once nail0 uumuu 2cycle was proven possible

people stopped upgrading nail

[low bramble]

i think you have to upgrade your nail to pogo your shade

[frank obsidian]

Yeah that's what Blue used to to!

[low bramble]

nail1 one cycle when

mag skip back in the game

[jagged vault]

yes, because i ran the category

[short spire]

nail0 was the meta long before uumuu 2cycle fwiw

[jagged vault]

oh, apologies

that's on me then

[frank obsidian]

I always wondered why u didnt just do it the regular way Blue, i didnt realize u didnt have claw bc i am smolbrain

So it's possible to TE without claw then? Or do u need it later

[jagged vault]

no

claw is needed later

we do it so we can have dreamnail

and get elder hu on the way to claw

so that we don't have to go to wastes twice

[last inlet]

gonna see if i can get gh% shade skip

[frank obsidian]

That's bigbrain

[low bramble]

as with everything in te, its elder hu’s fault

[molten aurora]

So much gold for such a garbage run - I even had a ~20 sec gold on claw due to first try epogo and mantis pogo.

[last inlet]

update: no

[untold sigil]

hello

[last inlet]

hi

[untold sigil]

this is a person with whom i have a shared understanding that darknest is hard

[true palm]

depends, but darknest isnt that bad in most categories

[untold sigil]

i tried doing it in a casual playthrough recently

[true palm]

oh casually its rough

because its not intended

[hearty adder]

You just need practice

[true palm]

spikes are thrown around pretty randomly and no hazard respawns

[hearty adder]

All Skills Darknest isn't that bad

But you gotta be already used to the room layout

[true palm]

darknest just involves memorization

in all categories

[jagged vault]

it only takes a bit of debug practice to learn darkrooms really

do a room with then without lantern

rinse and repeat

until you can do it consistently dark

[molten aurora]

I still go through the darkrooms having no clue what room I'm in

[true palm]

the only category that really had any stressful darknest was low% when we were fireball skipping to a platform in the dark

but once you've really ran a category, you'll find you're more comfortable doing dark rooms in the dark than in the light

[jagged vault]

oh yeah i forgot low% had that

cursed

[true palm]

low% thankfully does a way comfier wall jump now (which Battery knew about but Homothety of course just had to style in record and make the category infinitely harder for me to run when i first learned it)

[untold sigil]

I'm also trying to get to hornet 2 wingless in the same playthrough

[true palm]

wings dont really help with hornet 2 tbh

[untold sigil]

i think it's possible but the aspid ai is making it pain

[true palm]

oh getting to hornet 2

thats not terrible if you have claw

you just have to speed through

[untold sigil]

i do
fuck i should have tried clawless deepnest

[true palm]

not really reasonable

[untold sigil]

is that even possible

[true palm]

depends on what you're trying to get

[normal aspen]

It's one pogo then 2 dash jumps

Don't try do it all pogos

[untold sigil]

the first pogo is really hard

because the aspids just stay a certain distance from you

[normal aspen]

You want to be below and to the left of the aspid

[untold sigil]

makes sense

then the pogo should be fine

[true palm]

you can get clawless tram pass but its not consistent (Carver Hatcher Pogos are cursed), but most of deepnest (including DV), is wing/claw locked

[untold sigil]

is there any category which does wingless hornet 2

[normal aspen]

CP AS new reroute does

Getting into deepnest wingless clawless is the hard part

[deep kernel]

I was 3 minutes ahead and died twice from the last devout in beasts den.... ended up losing 6 minutes and not PB'ing ima submit it anyways since its my first recorded run

[lost musk]

About the Isma's Tear discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsS3X0XwEYg

[untold sigil]

hm yes
the true acid skip

[true palm]

most if not all of us have seen it, and a large portion of the older community were likely here for the discussion, but its a dead discussion due to mostly nail 0 uumuu 2 cycle

ismas had nail 1 routed in which would allow for a 2 cycle uumuu pretty easily

[normal aspen]

Oh whoa who's that guy

Might be theoretically opt for cp btw

[untold sigil]

i think grimmchild
seems to be born from fire

[true palm]

oh because cp could get 2 cycle with it possibly right?

[normal aspen]

Yea

[strange gale]

Question: can you submit runs in 30 fps?

[true palm]

yup

[molten aurora]

Yes

[strange gale]

👍

[true palm]

many do, youtube compression is so bad anyway it doesnt really make that big of a difference

[untold sigil]

what about 0 fps
just a still image of the finished time

[molten aurora]

I'm assuming this is ironic, but just in case, no you need a video

[jagged vault]

runs need video proof

[untold sigil]

is joke

[jagged vault]

🐌

again cmon

[true palm]

this channel isnt really for memeing

[untold sigil]

sorry

[true palm]

sometimes it happens when we talk about relevant information

[molten aurora]

After this many snails, we might need to take away your blue name

[jagged vault]

D:

not my blue name

[true palm]

blue speedruns hollow knight, but cannot speedrun discord, feels bad

[strange gale]

blue whats your pb?

[jagged vault]

what category

https://www.speedrun.com/user/BlueSR

here's my profile

[true palm]

most of the folks here run multiple categories

[jagged vault]

if you're wondering any%, 34:34

[strange gale]

damn

madman

[low bramble]

blue is very good at the game

[strange gale]

I just started learning to speedrun current patch

i wanna get top 50

[normal aspen]

Hri

[low bramble]

have you heard of current patch all skills

great catagory

[jagged vault]

my self deprication is being censored

wth somni

[normal aspen]

Idk what ur on about

[strange gale]

Nah im just doing current patch any%

[elfin gulch]

Yo found you bro

[alpine rivet]

My big goal for future runs is to get sub hour, which I can do if I play very well.

Any% NMG Current Patch btw

[low bramble]

sub hour is a great obtainable goal

[strange gale]

i need sub 44

[low bramble]

but then once you get that you go for sub 50 then sub 40 then...

[alpine rivet]

I lost so much time in my first run because I choked on Watchers and Hollow Knight heh

[low bramble]

current patch thk

[true palm]

and suddenly your stuck running low% because you think records obtainable when you meant to run it only till sub hour

[jagged vault]

yes, that is in fact me

[untold sigil]

does no oob any% require claw?

[alpine rivet]

Yeah, I get the nail upgrade lol

[strange gale]

is thk any different then odler patch thk

[jagged vault]

no oob is not a current ruleset

[alpine rivet]

the spire attack does two damage

[untold sigil]

oh?

[jagged vault]

we use NMG, NMMS and AG

[low bramble]

yea its faster and some attacks do more damage

[true palm]

all dreamers are claw locked (herrah can be done with heavy blow and wings)

[low bramble]

you can still do if if you want

[jagged vault]

No Major Glitches, No Main Menu Storage and All Glitches

[digital jewel]

a no out of bounds run would be very broken still

[normal aspen]

The only runs that don't get claw are a few AG cats and possibly low% nmms

[untold sigil]

that's the first time I've heard heavy blow in a positive light

[true palm]

its the only time you will

[normal aspen]

No OOB is basically just an AG run

[jagged vault]

heavy blow?

[true palm]

you can upslash corpse crawlers onto the wall to pogo

very cursed

[jagged vault]

does it not just know enemies back more on nail hits

oh

damn

cursed indeeed

[strange gale]

What is the hardest part of any%

[jagged vault]

watchers probably

or beast's den, queen's gardens

[true palm]

think its technically possible without heavy blow but i've never gotten it without heavy blow

[jagged vault]

it depends at what level

and difficulty is subjective

[lost musk]

can you knock or manoeuvre the unkillable foes?

[alpine rivet]

I can't do the QGA skip, so I go the Deepnest way.

[untold sigil]

heavy blow is desperately trying to make you believe you need it and can't do it with nail only

[true palm]

watcher knights is the hardest boss (thk is still rough on current patch) and epogo and qga are the hardest skips on current patch

[true palm]

regardless the skip is so hard we'll never see it in rando logic (ask rando about logic if you're curious)

[jagged vault]

if televator were legal would Low% skip claw?

no wait

ignore that

i did a brain dumb

[normal aspen]

Wanna think about that one blue

[jagged vault]

televator doesn't help at all

[normal aspen]

Ur thinking of like clipping with them?

[jagged vault]

i was thinking about the lurien climb but there's an.....elevator- there

[untold sigil]

what's televator

[true palm]

even if dreamers could be done without claw, we'd still get it because claw is less % than dash so...

[strange gale]

How fast do you need to be to get speedrunner role for current patch any%

[jagged vault]

major glitch

no time limit

[true palm]

speedrunner role is any submitted and verified run

[jagged vault]

you just need a verified run on src

[strange gale]

ight

[digital jewel]

blue claw is hard required for monomon

[jagged vault]

televator is a glitch that makes an elevator travel to the highest point instantly

yeah xero i did many stupids in that question 🥴

[alpine rivet]

If i get a better run, can i submit it before my other run has been verified or should i wait for the first run to be verified? i wanna know for future reference

[normal aspen]

Damn my claw is red most runs

[jagged vault]

you can submit both

[normal aspen]

No wonder I can't get monomon

[jagged vault]

verifiers will look at the faster one generally

and skim through the slower one

[alpine rivet]

Ah, okay

Thanks 🙂

[jagged vault]

because at that point the slower one doesn't matter as much

[untold sigil]

does nmms need claw, heart and dash
same question for ag

[true palm]

ag doesnt need anything but dreamnail

[normal aspen]

Just look on src

[untold sigil]

src?

[normal aspen]

No offense but we're not here to tell you what 2s on src can tell you

speedrun.com

[true palm]

watch an nmms run, and krythoms been doing an epic tutorial on youtube (all glitches is kinda meh)

[normal aspen]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight#Low

[untold sigil]

ok

sorry

[frank obsidian]

Time for stress relief speedrun.

[alpine rivet]

Stress relief

Markoth

[frank obsidian]

where's emray's pastebin for cp as?

[low bramble]

cp as 👀

https://pastebin.com/qSGRDiBZ

[frank obsidian]

ty

[frank obsidian]

yes, tried downpatching and my computer got the big sad

[elfin vortex]

not sure if this is the right channel but is there a autosplitter for speedrunning on mac? Keep forgetting to split manually and cant switch to windows anytime soon

[strong vessel]

I don't believe there is

[frank obsidian]

im trying to rename my splits and i put one in the wrong spot but it isnt letting me delete any of them, anyone know why?

[elfin vortex]

oh well thats a shame

[strong vessel]

It's very sad

[hazy birch]

unfortunately not, i created a windows partition pretty much solely for this reason

[strong vessel]

I used to play on mac but I was lucky enough to be able to switch to windows

I still do play on mac actually, just not for speedrunning

[elfin vortex]

I tried making a windows partition and switching for speedrunning but it doesnt seem to work on big sur (for me at least)

[molten aurora]

What's the auto split for king's pass?

[elfin vortex]

just says disk could not be partitioned. Tried all fixes I found but they didnt work. that or i did them wrong

[strong vessel]

Yeah, I can't help you there, my windows partition was already set up by someone else and I have like no computer knowledge :/

[strong vessel]

Is there one for entering Dirtmouth? Not quite the same thing but it's pretty close

[elfin vortex]

shame. Thanks for the help anyways

[lost musk]

I have the same problem, but for Linux. Can't find any good solutions either. And being new to this, splitting myself at the right times are unlikely to go well. Bound to forget something

[frank obsidian]

why are a bunch of the left side options inaccessible

[robust mango]

yo, i found a weird glitch, but i don't really know if there's a list of known glitches somewhere that i can reference to make sure it isn't already known

[fair island]

Click on a box in segment name

[last inlet]

it's probably known but describe it?

[robust mango]

i did a wall jump at the end of a dash, when dashing away from a wall

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/968200045?t=1h6m13s

[short spire]

thats called wallcling storage

[molten aurora]

Wall cling storage. I haven't seen it done like that before though.

[robust mango]

had a feeling it was known, but i figured i'd check anyway

[short spire]

it can happen in a lot of random places for no apparent consistent reason

[robust mango]

never know when something might be useful

[frank obsidian]

I did, it still didnt work.

[leaden python]

it's probably either permission issues, or split file got corrupted somehow

have you tried to close the splits and open them again to see it if works?

Generally, try to keep away everything related to livesplit out of c:\Program Filex

[frank obsidian]

Restarting my computer worked

[normal wadi]

hi, so im learning how to speedrun this game and im trying to do some skip where you hit a lever behind a door in city of tears but its just not working out for me lol

ive worked at it for a while and i get you need to attack upwards to hit it at least but ive tried every angle and nothings working

[burnt mango]

Are you on current patch? If so, it's patched out.

[normal wadi]

oh, really? that sucks worried that was the case

[burnt mango]

Yeah, you'll have to down patch to 1.2.2.1 for that

[dull plank]

Whats the strategy for the watcher knights

[ionic cargo]

use a fireball right over them as they are rolling away to get double or triple hits on them

[low bramble]

make sure to watch fire's and pest's guides on them for damage cycles

[hushed orchid]

Here's a idea. What is the slowest speedrun you can make without ever not doing something reasonable? (Probably stupid but I was curious...)

[sonic crane]

Low% TE probably

If you want something well defined but slow

[last inlet]

i would argue that spending 30 hours killing birds is not reasonable

[hallow orchid]

Max% clawless would be even longer than low TE I think we've been theory crafting that in misc runs lol

[hushed orchid]

I'd agree with that lol

[hallow orchid]

But yes also not reasonable

[ionic cargo]

i mean someone did a 24 hour king's pass so...

[hushed orchid]

I mean in order to do that they had to be wasting time?

[hallow orchid]

Yeah they were not playing most of the time

[hushed orchid]

Basically longest speedrun with out wasting time

[hallow orchid]

I mean define wasting time. Is grinding birds for 40 hours a waste of time?

[sonic crane]

Low% TE at least resembles a category

[hallow orchid]

Like it's the fastest way to complete the goal

[sonic crane]

Even if it’s, boring

[hushed orchid]

I mean it would definitely feel like it.

[ionic cargo]

is speedrunning a waste of time

[sonic crane]

All achievements

[hushed orchid]

I feel like it would have to be something with God home ending cause wouldn't that take longer then te?

Actually... That's a good point

All achievements.

[hallow orchid]

Running low TE is a waste of time I think we can all agree (unless you want those youtube stonks ) but the fastest way to do it is like 30+ hours of grinding birds

[digital jewel]

gotta be honest this discussion really doesn't seem productive

[hallow orchid]

All cheevos is about 9 hours

You're probably right Xero lol

[hushed orchid]

What. I have a long trip and want to watch a speedrun. But only can get one channel up to do so...

[hallow orchid]

It you just want a good long HK speedrun to watch check out a 112% run, they're about 3.5 hours long

[hushed orchid]

It's a two day trip...

[hallow orchid]

All achievements is about 9 hours long but a couple of those hours are grinding enemies to complete the hunters journal

[digital jewel]

maybe #hk-discussion can recommend you some fun videos to watch

the purpose of this channel is not really to entertain you though

[hushed orchid]

I though speed running cause I want to get into speedrunning hk

But thx for the suggestion anyway <3

[strange gale]

Watch fireborns speedrun guide for any%

[snow dome]

That's actually a really good shout

It's like over four hours, and really good

[strange gale]

I am slowly going over it

[snow dome]

I have no idea how long it is it might be much longer than 4

[strange gale]

I am watching and practicing at the same time

[snow dome]

That's how I started. 😊

[strange gale]

I skip some rooms though

[snow dome]

Followed along

[strange gale]

Yes yes

[snow dome]

What do you mean skip some rooms?

[strange gale]

If you are watching greenpath video i skipped some of his explaining couse sometimes he overexplains it

and its sometimes really easy

[snow dome]

Some of the things he talks about in those rooms are really I'm important, though.

Things like soul collection etc

[strange gale]

But for hard rooms i listen the whole thing and practice multiple times

[low bramble]

a lot of the smaller movement is good to pay attention too

[strange gale]

Well i am aiming for top 50 any%

[snow dome]

Jesus

[low bramble]

what time is that im dum

[strange gale]

I am not doing every timesave possible

sub 44

[snow dome]

That's a really tough goal

[low bramble]

oh you should be good then

[snow dome]

I mean, you do you, but I played any% for a few months and my best was 49:XX

[strange gale]

It doesnt hurt to try

[snow dome]

If you want a low time you need to pay attention to every room, though

My point isn't "you can't do it" it's "you can't do it by cutting corners"

[strange gale]

I do

[snow dome]

Except the ones you skip 🙃

[strange gale]

but i dont do every little skip

[low bramble]

for sub 44 focus on not dying and your boss fights

[strange gale]

for exaple i dont use statue pogo before false knight

I baisacly mastered the path to hornet and hornet fight

Still a long way to go

[vocal dove]

it's good to be ambitious and have a goal in mind, but it can be pretty harmful to your mental health if you're aiming for top times without fully understanding the amount of work that it's gonna take

[strange gale]

I practiced 2 weeks only path to hornet

Its fun

thats like 1/5 out of whole run

[vocal dove]

i have about 300 hours into speedrun practice, which is nothing compared to the more experienced runners. you're gonna need to put in a lot more. just sayin'

[strange gale]

The guy who is 50th in the world in any% current patch missed both fireballskips, and fights bosses slower then me

I am willing to put in time to try to beat em

dont kill my hope xD

[vocal dove]

not trying to kill your hope, just want you to be reasonable with your goals!

[low bramble]

50th is a totally reasonable goal

[honest folio]

I have got this weird glitch where my best segments don't show correctly (i have no subsplits so every split should be the same time as the segment) when i edit either of these, the other once changes. i can't seem to get them to be the same

does anyone know a fix for this?

[molten aurora]

That's working correctly.

[hardy crown]

The investment difference needed to hit 50th in the world

[barren dew]

Im trying to downpatch hollow knight to 1.2.2.0 and I seem to have gotten it but it says that I need Unity Player dll. I looked this up and everything gave me virus warnings. Did I do somwthing wrong or am I missing something?

[hardy crown]

Is incredibly lower than needed to hit 5th in the world.

By several orders of magnitude.

[honest folio]

How tho? I might just be rlly dumb here but shouldn't the segment time be the same as the split time if they end at the same moment?

[digital jewel]

you've done something very wrong

1221 does not require unityplayer.dll

that's current patch

[hardy crown]

Seriously, do not underestimate just how much you're going to need to dedicate to get a top 10 or top 5 time.

[barren dew]

That does not sound good

[honest folio]

[digital jewel]

can you explain your steps

[molten aurora]

The segment time is is how fast that specific segment was, the split time is the time in the run when you split.

[digital jewel]

and I can maybe tell you what went wrong

[honest folio]

yeah but the segments ends at the time i split, right?

[barren dew]

Ok. So what exactly happened?

[digital jewel]

.

[honest folio]

ohh sorry i understand no goose

now

i was just being an idiot haha, ty!

[barren dew]

Oh I didnt see that

[molten aurora]

All good

[barren dew]

So I watched a video to start speedrunning. Then I went to another video to get the dated downpatch guide. After a bit I had gone into the codes and was typing in the game code and patch. Then it said that something wasnt working. So after trying it multiple times I went to another video. That video walked me through an easier setup and it seemes to work. I had put the game and patch code into stean console setup and created another Hollow Knight copy with a different patch. Then I did some folder work and created a shortcut. When I clicked on the shortcut it said that I needed unityplayer.dll. I did some research and that seems to be a virus and I dont trust it

[signal meadow]

is there a loadless timer for mac?

[digital jewel]

unityplayer.dll isn't a virus it's just a file that's in current patch installs

can you screenshot the downpatched install for me

the files in that folder

[barren dew]

Do you mean the data?

[digital jewel]

the files

take a screenshot

[barren dew]

Wait im on mobile so give me some time. Sorry

[digital jewel]

whatever's in Hollow Knight

[true palm]

different patches have some different dependencies, but 1221 shouldnt need unityplayer.dll, which means something went wrong. The written guide Xero made is very thorough and detailed and I'd recommend that over any video

[barren dew]

For some reason I forgot how to screenshot so heres a photo

[digital jewel]

so if you launch that .exe there you get an error?

[barren dew]

Yes I get an error

[true palm]

can you send a picture of whats in this folder

[honest folio]

printscreen or Snipping Tool to screenshot for future endeavors

[true palm]

the bottom number is what we're looking for

also for a snip Windows Key + Shift + S is the shortcut

[zenith bane]

does anyone khow a p5 livesplit i can use?

[true palm]

i dont have access to a p5 split but the 112 splits will work just delete everything before p5

#speedrunning message

[honest folio]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/resources might be here

[true palm]

its not

[honest folio]

nope nvm

[zenith bane]

yeah

[barren dew]

The screenshot went to my clipboard and I dont know how to send messages from that so hopefully you can make put the photo

[true palm]

Ctrl + V to paste it

[honest folio]

ctrl v

[true palm]

also we need the bottom file

if that file is your bottom one it didnt finish downloading

[true palm]

and thats your bottom files?

your last file should be sharedassets391.assets.resS and if its not you never finish downloading

[true palm]

k so thats current patch

you downloaded the wrong command

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten this is the most recent guide for downpatching

[zenith bane]

seems like i will not be able to find a livesplit for p5

[digital jewel]

what did you do with the files that were downloaded

[barren dew]

They should have been put into the Hollow Knight folder

[digital jewel]

no they shouldn't

if you combined your original install with the downpatched files then that might be the issue

you want them separate

[true palm]

whatever guide you used is either outdated, wrong or you didnt follow it, and I understand its confusing but that link I gave you should clear any issues you might have

[barren dew]

This is going to sound very dumb but my steam games dont pop up in my folders and I dont remember how I got to them in the first place. Sorry for making you have to walk me through simple computer stuff

[true palm]

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common (default installation for steam games)

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\content\app_367520\depot_367521 (where downpatched files are placed)

[barren dew]

Ok. I made two folders hoping for one to be the downpatch but both appear to just be the exact same

[true palm]

you're going to need to redo the downpatch (it appears you copied a current patch code into the console based on earlier screenshots)

[barren dew]

Ok. So I just have to redo eveything from scratch?

[digital jewel]

how did you downpatch the files

what did you use

[barren dew]

I used the steam console feature im pretty sure. Should I just show the video that I used?

[true palm]

ye

im guessing its relyea's/fireborns

[barren dew]

https://youtu.be/hL9hp1Geeq4

[true palm]

lol idk how you found mine

but you just copied the wrong code then

the 1221 code and 1432 code are next to each other so its a common mistake

[barren dew]

Where do I put in the codes?

[true palm]

the steam console, you did everything right, you just copied the wrong command

use this one

download_depot 367520 367521 648876203478229944

[barren dew]

is that code for 1.2.2.1?

[true palm]

yup

[barren dew]

And again, how do you go into your steam files?

[digital jewel]

cynicism just told you the file location

#speedrunning message

up here

[barren dew]

So I did everything again with the new code but it still says that UnityPlayer was not found

[true palm]

did you copy the right executable?

can you send screenshots like that please

[barren dew]

Do you mean the number in the steam_appid document?

[true palm]

no not that

i'm assuming there was a different mistake but i cant confirm unless you send those pictures

[true palm]

thats an old executable

the "hollow knight" program

you need to copy the one that was in this folder

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\content\app_367520\depot_367521

this file i highlighted is a current patch one

[digital jewel]

why do you files have different dates on them

[true palm]

thats why they have different dates, its a current patch one

[digital jewel]

did you ignore the part where I said not to combine the installs

you shouldn't copy the downpatched files over your already existing install

or the opposite

[barren dew]

Wait so when I copy them I do them one by one? Im somewhat confused

[digital jewel]

what?

ok everything that was downloaded

is its own separate install

you put an older hollow_knight.exe file in there

don't do that

[barren dew]

So how do I find a newer file?

[digital jewel]

you downloaded the files

you downpatched

[true palm]

at 4:19, I copy both the files in that folder

and i make a new folder

[barren dew]

So you copy them at the same time?

[true palm]

yes

[alpine rivet]

ez

[barren dew]

Okay. It finally decided to work. I know I was a bit hard to work with but thank you a lot for helping me with this. I have no idea how I would have done this without any help

[true palm]

you're all good fam, its a process

[alpine rivet]

i feel bad about submitting my other run, because it's complete crap lol

[barren dew]

Now im going to take a break before I work on the other steps because I have drained myself of focus

[alpine rivet]

this was way better

[true palm]

don't feel bad, i only pb in intervals of multiple minutes while im waiting for runs to be verified

[dapper cove]

I’ve always wanted to try any% but I suck too much at wk lmao

I need my five

Dive

[thorny eagle]

Big mood. I'd have to get a lot better at them

[dapper cove]

Yeah... I can do it no sweat in AS but that’s way way easier

[thorny eagle]

All skills will do that haha

I've not done any speedruns yet, or tried to. Got my eyes on it though, if I git gud enough

I want to get all achievements first

[dapper cove]

I get that... in my eyes I’ll get the achievements naturally in doing the speedruns

Like on console I have all achievements except the speedrun ones and pantheons

[thorny eagle]

That's legit. I'm just sort of gatekeeping speedrunning for myself so that I don't do that thing where I sink hundreds of hours into something without ever achieving my initial goal, i.e. all achievements

[molten aurora]

Meanwhile I'm content pretending the pantheons don't exist

[dapper cove]

Me too goose dw

I’ve never beat P1

[thorny eagle]

I finished getting the last speedrun achievement two days ago, the speed Completion one