speedrunning

[knotty vigil]

ok thanks

[frank obsidian]

so obs will record both if i have window source and game source right?

[sand nacelle]

idk if this is the recording i got it but here

[meager current]

4:02

[haughty fossil]

what you see on the preview is what gets recorded.

[sand nacelle]

also i did slow time for that

[true palm]

as a low% runner, i give the best advice of all "hold a direction. don't stop holding that direction"

[meager current]

The time they get it

[sand nacelle]

i can only do it when lower the time scale

[meager current]

Anyone that uses steady body would have a problem with that

[leaden python]

1. Don't stop holding left, as other pointed out
2. don't stop holding jump
3. jump from as low on the right plank as you can, you tend to jump from too high

[knotty vigil]

is pogoing the hollow knight back and forth so it doesn't attack as much considered "breaking boss AI"?

[haughty fossil]

no

[leaden python]

no

[last inlet]

nope

[haughty fossil]

breaking boss ai is generally considered when it actually gives a significant advantage, eg soul warrior walking forward endlessly or hornet getting stuck in the floor

[knotty vigil]

ok

[frank obsidian]

it works jamie, ty! ill do a run after dinner, hopefully new

[knotty vigil]

also what's a superslide?

[sand nacelle]

imma do another recording rq brb

[true palm]

a 1028 frame perfect glitch

[last inlet]

also breaking boss ai tends to be when the boss actually can't do its normal ai rather than just manipulating it into doing certain attacks or less attacks

[true palm]

killing an enemy and immediately opening your inventory to go zooming

[knotty vigil]

so im probably not gonna do it accidentally then? haha

[true palm]

you will not

the only major glitchs that happen accidentally to runners are inventory storage, boss ai breaking and some other minor storage

[haughty fossil]

in terms of nmg, don't open inventory to skip screams, don't release dash slash too early after picking up king's brand are the 2 i'd assume are the ones most likely to be seen from a new runner not familiar with nmg
the rules that matter more are the game rules, which include guidelines on the recording to make sure we can verify your run

[frank obsidian]

i assume one of those was the time i got hit and just started rising diagonally left

[somber cedar]

how do you decide if you'd benefit from more segment practice or more full runs btw?

[true palm]

most likely a form of elevator storage @frank obsidian

[true palm]

segment practice till your sob is significantly lower than your pb imo

[knotty vigil]

and im also assuming sleep skipping isnt a major glitch either

[true palm]

low% is 90% holding a direction and walking with no gameplay

[somber cedar]

damn. alright. wish segment practice was less awful

[hearty adder]

segment practice lets you focus on smaller movement optimizations, full run practice lets you practice actually putting all the parts together + learning how to handle less than ideal situations

[true palm]

segment practice sucks but so does never pbing for weeks and months on end and runs just dying on repeat or ending behind

[hallow orchid]

that's why you never do segment practice and instead find different meme runs to do

bam, always a pb

[hazy birch]

i enjoy segment practice actually but i also have a super short attention span so

[true palm]

also just do full segment practice with livesplit and dummy splits, and then copy golds from practice into your real splits

[knotty vigil]

anyone know how i get the manifest thing that in here for fallout 4

[true palm]

its motivating imo

[knotty vigil]

trying to downgarde

[stiff delta]

downpatching guide on src

[knotty vigil]

src ?

[true palm]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[true palm]

check out the guides on speedrun.com, we're happy to help if you have questions, but also make sure to use the resources provided first

[dreamy bough]

just fyi, superslides are actually pause menu, not inventory, right after killing an enemy

[sand nacelle]

welp i couldn't beat it normally

[true palm]

oh shit misspoke

[sand nacelle]

and the recording is too long great

[stiff delta]

time for practice

[sand nacelle]

that's all the attempts for today

good thing ik i can do it

[stark birch]

this but unironically

[sand nacelle]

but idk why i can't do it normally

i think i'm not pogoing enough

i sometimes do a normal slash

[stiff delta]

what are you grinding? thk?

ah

[somber cedar]

you can start holding down when you leave the wall, that removes one source of failure

[sand nacelle]

not a bad tip

but i'm tired rn so imma be done today

i'll continue thursday

because restrictions

[crisp dome]

When you're making good time and fuck your run by spending 10 minutes on acid skip.

[stiff delta]

yea

[sand nacelle]

dang

i haven't even practiced the acid skips

i've been busy with spike tunnel

i did

like hours ago

well i'm done for today because i don't want to overstress myself

once i learn the isma's skips i should be fine for the run

[hearty adder]

if you're having too much difficulty, you can also go for wings first

it will help in the last isma's skip

[sand nacelle]

oh

i was about to say

[hearty adder]

more segment practice

better movement will have you getting hit less at random

[sand nacelle]

but i haven't even practiced the acids skips yet

that's why i am doing spike tunnel skip first

once i get consistent i'll do the acid skips

[hearty adder]

it'll probably help to watch some people doing them with a closer eye and trying again tomorrow

you can absorb a lot of info by just watching other people do the thing

[trail abyss]

Do you guys know if explosion pogo or Queen's Garden acid skip saves more?

just wanna know which to practice

[last inlet]

qga does if you execute qg very well, however it's much harder and requires more difficult execution after

[hearty adder]

epogo is good because it lets you avoid having like 4 flying mantises following you around

[last inlet]

you should learn epogo first

[hearty adder]

qga can be avoided by learning deepnest route

[true palm]

epogo is easier unless you're on current patch

[sand nacelle]

well you see

i can't be on computer tommorow

[last inlet]

qg is like 40 seconds faster than deepnest

but a lot harder

[sand nacelle]

also i don't need to practice epogo

i just pogo when it explode

[hazy birch]

CP epogo also easier than QGA thanks to comfypogo

[trail abyss]

comfypogo?

[last inlet]

#strats

[sand nacelle]

i'm on 1221

[true palm]

its a type of epogo (there are almost a dozen types at this point)

[last inlet]

#strats message

there

[trail abyss]

thanks!

[hearty adder]

comfypogo isn't as hard as other current patch epogos, however imo it does require already being somewhat used to more complex/awkward input combos so you can react quickly enough

[true palm]

low%, low% cp, panta, comfy, vsync, fast damage, slow damage, standard, and left are the ones i know

[hazy birch]

yeah definitely not free or anything but QGA is super hard in comparison, at least to me

[hearty adder]

qga is really finnicky for me, i really dislike it lol

[shrewd shoal]

QGA is extremely hard, as well is Mantis Pogo

[true palm]

qga is the hardest of any% skips, outside of maybe pantapogo

[shrewd shoal]

I do comfypogo, so I only have 2 on me

[sand nacelle]

anyways thanks for the tips everyone

[trail abyss]

yeah thanks everyone for the epogo strats <3!

[frank obsidian]

whats pantapogo

oops srry for ping

[true palm]

a current patch epogo

its damageless with no fireballs

[frank obsidian]

[true palm]

its also incredibly tight and the bane of current patch runners

[frank obsidian]

Ismas any% skip is the hardest i think tho

[hearty adder]

You can check it out over in #strats too

[true palm]

but its not in any%

[haughty fossil]

mag isma's is not used in any% due to being slower

[frank obsidian]

and also being this close to impossible

[hearty adder]

Well, if it was optimal at least some people would grind it

[haughty fossil]

(only slower due to discoveries that were made after the any% isma's route was theorised, most notably nail0 uumuu 2 cycle)

[frank obsidian]

oh i was referring to the one fire made a vid abt

[true palm]

i dont see people go for damageless but you can get hit

[frank obsidian]

anyway imma do a sr attemt, hoping for a new !

[true palm]

the original one does, but theres not really a point in going for the damage variant because its almost as tight, and harder than comfypogo

[stark birch]

the timing window between damageless and damage tank pantapogo is veeeeery slight so it's not like I'm aiming for one over the other it's more "am I taking 2 damage today"

[frank obsidian]

if i start recording with obs and then open livesplit will it start recording livesplit when it finishes opening?

[hearty adder]

yes

[frank obsidian]

phew, ty!

[sand nacelle]

aight

but i have to go to bed in like 2 hours in a half

[hearty adder]

watching a whole run could be too much; however, if you need help for specific parts of it then people will probably be more willing (if they have the time to of course)

[haughty fossil]

blue is pushing for partner on twitch and is 14

[sand nacelle]

i'm 15.

[true palm]

TOS

not legality

[sand nacelle]

woah

tos

[haughty fossil]

discord tos 🥴

[hearty adder]

i think it's 13

[sand nacelle]

discord is for 13+

[grizzled maple]

Uhh might wanna delete that then

[sand nacelle]

anyways

i do plan to do speedruns during spring break

which starts friday

so ye

i don't have it yet:(

but ye when i do i'll do some runs

and hopefully get a verified one

[shrewd shoal]

Best of luck to you

[sand nacelle]

but that's not until thursday so ye

i'll let you know when i get consistent with um the tunnel skip

gl

[somber cedar]

A run just died on a really good pace due to stupidity (also, it's 2am), so I'm committing to a week of segment practice now. Gonna get some big PBs next weekend.

[stiff delta]

Segment practice kinda busted tho

like the cheat code of speedrunning

[true palm]

i did a week of segment practice and pb'd by like 3 minutes

[somber cedar]

I'll cheat by doing segment practice for two categories though

[true palm]

in addition to obtaining 5 comsobs

segment practice = best practice

[stiff delta]

I kept throwing runs to late game and cpeaks, did maybe like an hour each of segment practice and then got sub 40

[frank obsidian]

People I beat my 4MS pb! 24:42.71!

Even tho i did a lot worse, the loads being removed was enough to get me the pb

yes im sorry, everyone i know uses "guys" as a gender neutral term

ill do my best to stop

I edited it to say peoples 🙂

Sorry if this is stupid but where do obs recordings save to

yeah! although now that u say it i realized i pluralized people lol

[neon island]

You can also change where you want your OBS recordings to save if you don't like where they are

[frank obsidian]

yeah i want them to save to where my game bar recordings go if possible

[neon island]

In that case, you'd go to "Settings" -> "Output" -> "Recording Path" and change it to the file location of the game bar recordings

[frank obsidian]

okay, thanks!

[knotty vigil]

does upslashing the walls in kings pass save any time on CP?

[trail abyss]

like instead of hitting them normally? I'd think so bc upslash doesn't push you back but sideways hits do

[haughty fossil]

no on cp it saves no time, the doors don't hit you back

[knotty vigil]

thats what i thought

[haughty fossil]

its good practice to upslash anyway if you want to switch to 1221 and not retrain muscle memory

[trail abyss]

I always thought they knocked you back either way... I learned something today. ty

[stiff delta]

Sometimes on 1221 it doesnt push you back tho

No clue why

Better to upslash them anyway tho

[haughty fossil]

only some of the doors knock back on 1221

think it's just the middle 2, still might as well pogo them all for infinite timesave

[stray kestrel]

doors 2,3 and 5 knock you back

if you hit them with the tip of your nail they dont push you back

[jagged vault]

Same principle as trinomiplanks

You hit with the linger of your nail hitbox

[stiff delta]

Pogo door is so swag

Its unbelievable

[jagged vault]

Instead of the very start of the hot

Hit

Or at least i think that’s how it works

Might be wrong on that🥴

[stray kestrel]

i've definitely hit the doors with the initial hit

and gotten no knockback

it also feels inconsistent how far away you have to be

[jagged vault]

Oh yeah like the phantom hit on the last door

I see

[stray kestrel]

yea the last door is extra jank

[trail abyss]

I've always wished you could pogo on the final door that takes a bunch of hits

just thought it would be fun...

[frank obsidian]

Somehow, in my first 4ms run, I got goam maze vengefly pogo first try, grub vengefly pogo first try, first try baulder spit, and good mawlek rng. THIS TIME, I got goam maze vengefly pogo 9th try, grub vengefly pogo 4th try, and 5th spit baulder, AND bad mawlek RNG, and somehow I STILL pb'd by a little over 2 mins! I had no idea how much of a difference the loadless time makes!

[stiff delta]

yea loadless time does that

[jagged vault]

You can jump and downslash it

But no pogos sadly

KP door pogo would be a blessing

[frank obsidian]

Btw i can leave time with loads blank, right?

for src?

[normal aspen]

you can but we judge you

[civic hamlet]

the one place i need to practice is that room with the big vengeflies just outside stag before c-peak entrance, i legit always get hit like 3-4 times and just say f it and keep damage tanking

[jagged vault]

Switch comparison and get both times

[civic hamlet]

they are just so quick

[hearty adder]

infected crossroads is cursed

[normal aspen]

yeah that one I learned after I took 4 dmg there on pb pace

3:27 is comsob

[jagged vault]

One you’ve put effort in

[normal aspen]

starting off 3:45 is fine

[stiff delta]

Good is whatever is good for you

[jagged vault]

”Good” is subjective

[stiff delta]

make your own goals

[jagged vault]

^

[stiff delta]

That being said 3:26 or bust

[normal aspen]

you're not gonna miss wr coz of a bad vs

[frank obsidian]

why

[normal aspen]

ur gonna miss it from the 20 mins of timesave u have after

[stiff delta]

New wr is behind at vs lmao

[frank obsidian]

what?

[haughty fossil]

we then have to manually get the real time from the video

[frank obsidian]

oh

okay then ill do it

i dont want to make more work for u

[hearty adder]

right click livesplit > compare against... > real time

[jagged vault]

Speedrunning isn’t always about comparing against others

[hearty adder]

If you're just starting out it's best to focus on just improving against your own time rather than anyone else's

especially comsob

[civic hamlet]

splits are for personal growth

[hearty adder]

early game isn't really that important

[leaden python]

you can check world record for good times. But it's not very productive

[stiff delta]

imo there isnt a “right” way to speedrun but also imo you should do it for fun, not for glory, because if its not fun, why bother

That being said you can still have fun doing it for glory, its a person to person thing

[jagged vault]

For some the fun lies in the ”glory” which is also valid

[leaden python]

speedrunning for glory is a perfectly valid thing too I'd say. Because for many people glory brings fun

[stiff delta]

doing it for glory is the only thing keeping me sane in 4ms

[frank obsidian]

steel soul swag strats

[jagged vault]

Each and everyone can determine what this hobby means to oneself personally

[stiff delta]

Blue does not miss

[hearty adder]

ilfb

[jagged vault]

I miss PB and important skips

[frank obsidian]

except when he runs on steel soul for swag, dies to sanctum, forgets he's on steel soul, and starts reassuring chat "it wont be too big of a timeloss guys!" before the steel soul screen pops up

[stiff delta]

Blue moment

[frank obsidian]

Blue moment

[jagged vault]

If you want something to refer to objectively, 3:26 is comsob, and most experienced runners land between 3:30 and 3:40 on their runs

For VS

[frank obsidian]

Until they get 15 spit baldur

[jagged vault]

That is after VS

[normal aspen]

if you're going for like sub 1h all skills a sub 3:40 vs is fine

[frank obsidian]

oh yeaaaaaaah

[hardy crown]

3:30 is for any% right?

[normal aspen]

if youre trying to do your first run any vs that you dont die is fine

[jagged vault]

Yeah zeno

Any% and AS

[hardy crown]

112 just casually losing 1m30 to having to pay grandpa stag

[normal aspen]

and furry

[hardy crown]

And I guess also killing False Knight

[jagged vault]

Did you color key it?

[frank obsidian]

Me after talking to Elderbug in all of my speedruns: It's not about money timesave, it's about sending a message.

Maybe I should stop, but it feels so wrong

[jagged vault]

You already sent this

[frank obsidian]

when he calls to you

[hearty adder]

Please do not send the same message more than once

[frank obsidian]

ok srry

[hearty adder]

unrelate to that, but it seems both your splits and the timer are a bit hard to see with that background

[jagged vault]

Yes

The text is hard to see

Over the light green background

[hearty adder]

i'd recommend something that contrasts more, with darker colors

[strange gale]

Is inventory dropping still a thing in current patch?

[jagged vault]

First pinned message

TLDR: yes but it’s more precise

And more limited in use

[strange gale]

Oooh alright

good to know

[frank obsidian]

You have to time it SUPER good

and you usually end up losing more time than saving it by trying, right Blue? 🙂

[strange gale]

I probaboy wont use that then

[hardy crown]

Eh, it's usually still worth going for.

[knotty vigil]

should i be going for inventory dropping? i only really use it in the gruzzer room in the crossroads and the room before crystal heart

[stiff delta]

It depends on the fall

[strange gale]

I just started learning to speedrun and i want to get top 50 any% current patch

[frank obsidian]

Unless ur on crumbly ground, that crumbles a sec or 2 afer u dive on it, it probs isnt worth

[stiff delta]

if its a big fall like the one gnome just said big worth

Especially cpeaks one

saves ten years

[jagged vault]

Yeah go for the big drops

[hardy crown]

I try to inventory drop basically everywhere I remember it.

[jagged vault]

Like lurien

[hardy crown]

Even the small drops.

[strange gale]

Do you reccoment using it in fungal waste?

[hardy crown]

Blue does not know what this "sleep" is.

[frank obsidian]

and crossroads ladder room to a lesser extent

[stiff delta]

Aerto did this cool drop thing off like the lurien statue it was pretty sick

[jagged vault]

Take care of yourself

[frank obsidian]

wait what time is it for blue

[jagged vault]

Late

[knotty vigil]

i use controller so i find inventory drops harder when they are from the left

[strange gale]

Its 2:28 for me too

[frank obsidian]

[hardy crown]

Why does controller make inventory dropping harder for you?

[jagged vault]

Inv dropping to the right on cp is a lot haedwr for me

[knotty vigil]

only from the left side, just the way i have to move my hands

[hearty adder]

you can use a program like joy2key to remap the select/inventory button somewhere more convenient

[jagged vault]

Because inv bind is f

[hearty adder]

i use joy2key to remap inventory to the Y button, makes inv drops very comfy

[frank obsidian]

Blue you need to

[knotty vigil]

then what do i map dreamnail to?

[hearty adder]

i have dreamnail on left shoulder button, personally

[frank obsidian]

I feel that my PC controls are very comfy, although everyone says that abt theirs lol

[strange gale]

So you dont use map

[hardy crown]

As long as your controls are comfortable and you can use them they're good enough.

[true palm]

maps only used in glitched runs

[hearty adder]

i don't recommend you map inventory to any of the shoulder buttons/triggers, since those are also binds for flipping through inventory pages

[true palm]

and would be bound to inventory button

[hardy crown]

Why would you even have a map, buying maps take time.

Only glitch runners can unlock the arcane mysteries of that piece of paper anyway.

[true palm]

in 1028 the initial drops performed with the map button, and i think OOBs is as well

[hardy crown]

For us NMG runners it's illegal

[knotty vigil]

wait, to remap my inventory button do i need to install something?

[true palm]

you can do it in game i believe, but i do it with steam controls and do a bunch of other jank stuff

[hearty adder]

joy2key

in-game can only rebind keyboard inventory button

for some reason

[knotty vigil]

so is joy2key a downloadable thing?

[hearty adder]

yes, it is a program you can download for free

[knotty vigil]

one more question, if i submit a run to src does that mean i get a blue name or is that something else?

sorry idk how this stuff works

[true palm]

Ye thats how you get blue name (when its verified)

[knotty vigil]

how long does verification take on average?

[snow dome]

Once it's verified, post a link to it here

[jagged vault]

Varies

[snow dome]

Between about 3 days and a week

Depending on the week

Sometimes it can take longer

[jagged vault]

Mods are volunteersn who verify in their free time

Sometimes queues get very long

Sometimes not

[knotty vigil]

ok

[jagged vault]

Generally within two weeks though

[knotty vigil]

i should get back to speedrunning now if i want that verification

[snow dome]

glhf

[true palm]

queues have gotten large because all skills tourney and just rapid growth

i'm still relatively new myself, as are many here

[stone flame]

And what happens if I submit another run while a previous one hasn't been verified yet? Is the previous run ignored?

[jagged vault]

Verifiers look at the faster one

[hardy crown]

Generally, they'll just verify the faster one.

[jagged vault]

And validate both

[stone flame]

Makes sense

[hardy crown]

Just like people will read Blue's message but not mine

Because I am 🐌

[jagged vault]

So you can keeep your PB history

[jagged vault]

No u are cute not snail

But also snail

[stiff delta]

Snails are cute smh blue

[stone flame]

Also, has anyone encountered a problem that makes the timer split during save and quit?

Happened to me twice already

[hardy crown]

Yeah, there's a few particularly common spots for it.

[knotty vigil]

i had that problem but i turned on ordered splits

[hardy crown]

The one I encounter most regularly is it splitting False Knight as I SQ out of King's Pass.

[knotty vigil]

i haven't had the problem since i turned that on

[stone flame]

And how do you proceed when that happens?

[uneven pike]

Whats the input logger thing that monstah uses?

that shows what keys your pressing

[leaden python]

nohboard I think

[stone flame]

what is that?

oh, I found it

[hardy crown]

Ordered Splits is a thing where the autosplitter will only check for the direct next split.

Even if you fulfill conditions for other splits, it'll only split if the split directly following the current one gets fulfilled.

[stone flame]

I see, thanks!

[hardy crown]

Notably, 112 needs to use Ordered Splits because otherwise pantheon splits don't work properly.

So the problem that sometimes the autosplitter will split something despite it not being done can happen even with Ordered Splits on.

[grizzled maple]

Its generally recommended because of the better performance thing since its not checking for 30 splits

[knotty vigil]

i haven't had that problem since but i've only done like 10 runs since i turned it on so it could still happen

[hardy crown]

Yeah, with only 10 runs since you've probably just been lucky.

It's semi-rare that it happens already.

[true palm]

only reason not to use it imo is if you're afraid your splits are wrong, in which case double check your splits

[uneven pike]

can somebody help me set up NohBoard

[hardy crown]

Or you can just do what I do, see that your splits are wrong, skip the split and say to yourself "remember to fix this afterwards" then repeat this another 5 days because you keep forgetting

[stone flame]

lol, I am sure my splits are correct

So, I will definitely be turning this on

[knotty vigil]

my first full run i forgot to get rid of the QG split and it messed everything up

[hot latch]

Hey y'all, I was wondering if cp uummuu and 1221 uummuu are the same (i'm looking at fireborn's vid on it currently)

[true palm]

theyre not

give me like 1 sec

[hot latch]

Alrighty take your time

Ty btw

[true palm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Chh_BuLfdVI

here you go

[hot latch]

Thank you!!

[true palm]

you're looking to 3 cycle by abusing extra double hits

[hot latch]

Noice

[true palm]

most of the other stuff fireborn covers (Extra attacks, long attacks, short attacks, etc etc) are still relevant, the setup and how uumuu gets stuck/doesnt get stuck is not applicable

3 cycles not the hardest to get on current patch, but dont stress about 4 cycle

4 total VS hits and 4 nail hits is enough to do 100 damage in a cycle, and Uumuu has 300 hp, so look for that as a minimum

[hot latch]

Thank you, It seems just a tad easier than 1221, the guide was helpful as well

[knotty vigil]

i think i need to practice uumuu...

[true palm]

no problem

[true palm]

uumuu practice is pretty soul draining, make sure you have some music or something to watch

[knotty vigil]

also do you need music on for submitting a speedrun or just sound?

[jagged vault]

Just sound

Music is optional

[true palm]

make sure if you have any other audio in your recording (like your own music, discord buddies, or whatever) that its not too loud where game audio is masked or where it causes ear damage to verifiers

[knotty vigil]

ok

thank you all so much for the help

i think i need to go practice uumuu now so im no longer getting 8 cycles

does anyone know why uumuu only sometimes gets knocked back from the dream nail?

[bright grotto]

I think it depends on whether they're in an attack animation or not

usually bosses will change their ability to take knockback based on their current animation

I know markoth interacts with platforms while using his shield attack and failed champ has more hitboxes when in certain animations

[knotty vigil]

huh ok

it just seems very inconsistent

is a triple hit on uumuu possible?

[hardy crown]

With just Vengeful Spirit?

[knotty vigil]

yeah

[worthy sluice]

Did... pest just get pb

[stiff delta]

hea

yea

wr

cool gamer

[haughty fossil]

yeah he got a wr then didn't post in #any-percent-nmg 😤

[worthy sluice]

You're kidding

How many times is this man going to get wr

Save some time save for the rest of us

[haughty fossil]

hey, this pb had uumuu extra attack

[stiff delta]

wr free?

[worthy sluice]

Ok so he needs perfect uuwuu rng and then he has an unbeatable world record

Or somthing like that

[stiff delta]

not exactly

no wr is ever gonna be unbeatable

[worthy sluice]

Well if he keeps improving his times as fast as he is, could there possibly be a 31:xx break or is that impossible

[stiff delta]

31 is doable

idk if pest has a 31 sob but ik ax does

even then it'll basically always be hypothetically possible to beat the record

getting a run equal or faster than comsob would just be too improbable

[worthy sluice]

What is comsob I'm a scrub

[neon island]

Community sum of bests

Basically the fastest time anybody in the community has done a segment ever

[stiff delta]

ie ax and pest on a google spreadsheet

its pinned in the any percent nmg channel

[serene iris]

trying to install the debug mod, but the .dll file isnt working. tried a few different link, none work

[limpid ruin]

Mm gimme a sec

Have you watched the pinned video on how to install it?

Oh yea, first of all: what patch are you on?

[serene iris]

yes

1.2.2.1

[haughty fossil]

get the modding api and debug mod from. #resources

[limpid ruin]

Yea, basically that, and then do like the ax2u video from the pins

[serene iris]

doesnt work still

its opening with firefox, what should i open with

[haughty fossil]

don't open the dll file

are you following the tutorial?

[serene iris]

ye

[haughty fossil]

then it should tell you the folders to put the files in

[serene iris]

not the problem. i do that just fine. .dll file into mod folder

[haughty fossil]

then launch the game

[serene iris]

im braindead ig. cant tell you how many time ive tried. working now tho. thanks

[molten aurora]

It's 2 left from english iirc.

[slate breach]

check pins

[stiff delta]

left 2

[haughty fossil]

2 left from English is definitely chinese

[stiff delta]

what is it then photograph

np

[quiet saddle]

The Pest WR tho

[finite yarrow]

whats the difference between 1.2.2.1 and current patch in speedruns?

[dreamy bough]

there are a lot of them : you can pogo explosions, you can inventory drop in midair, ennemy behaviour is different, wallcling storage works everywhere....

enemy placement and amount is also different

uumuu is less bouncy

Vengeful spirit/shade soul go farther out

[hardy crown]

Wait, can you not pogo the hidden spikes in White Palace on current patch?

[dreamy bough]

i think so

[hardy crown]

That explains a lot.

I tried it once but I thought I was just being bad at timing.

[jagged vault]

you can zeno

at least in the Kingsmould skip room

i've done it on current patch

it's exactly the same

[hardy crown]

I shall go back to assuming my timing sucks, then.

[dreamy bough]

wait really blue? damn

i just also suck D:

[molten aurora]

The more I practice, the worse I get Every run is consistently minutes behind if I even finish at all.

[hardy crown]

I went through something similar a while back, consider taking a small break/rest for a few days perhaps? It helped me back then.

It's not always easy to tell but sometimes if you build up a lot of stress/pressure on yourself when practicing/doing runs you'll start performing worse. It can be important to unwind.

Rest Days isn't just a concept applicable to physical exercise.

[molten aurora]

Maybe I should take a break, I've been doing really dumb stuff in runs lately. Like forgetting how to do epogo and messing up shade skip

I just wanna play the video game though.

[steady lynx]

I had that a few weeks back, then I must've passed some mental barrier and just managed to get good times again

[steady lynx]

How much does getting soul catcher in any% lose estimated?

Just for Greenpath to make soul route comfier

[hardy crown]

Does buying Shaman Stone trigger the little instruction message popup that appears when you pick up your first charm?

[steady lynx]

No

It's only on the first charm

[hardy crown]

But Shaman Stone is the first charm in any% right?

[steady lynx]

Unless the first charm is Fury, then its skippable

[hardy crown]

Wait you can skip the tutorial text on Fury?

[steady lynx]

Shaman is obtained after claw

It skips faster on fury

For no reason

[hardy crown]

Yeah, but in any% Shaman Stone is still the first charm obtained, right? It doesn't pop up the tutorial message there?

Or do I completely misremember the route and there's another charm you're getting?

[steady lynx]

If it's the first yeah

Usually any% only gets shaman

[hardy crown]

Okay, so when you buy Shaman Stone in any% runs, does the tutorial message pop up?

[frank obsidian]

I thought that was just me lol

[steady lynx]

Yes

[molten aurora]

Yes it does.

[hardy crown]

Alright.

Then I'd estimate getting Soul Catcher loses like 20-25 seconds to picking it up, benching, and equipping/unequipping it in total.

Dunno how time it'd save in collecting soul but I'd wager very little.

[steady lynx]

I'm used to the 112 soul collection which is free

So going to any% is weird

why did I basically start with 112?

[hardy crown]

Starting with 112 is the optimal strat

Trust me I started with 112

🙂

No bias whatsoever

[steady lynx]

I technically started with as but that was mostly to get blue name so I could type in the chats

and see the duck chat

#zeno

[hardy crown]

I may or may not have made sr-offtopic a duck chat

[steady lynx]

Ill just do left side crossroads room and hope a gruzer comes in my way

[hardy crown]

That's usually what I do in 112

Although I guess 112 requires more soul for the baldur in general.

[steady lynx]

Oh I'm on switch (cp) so I need nine hits

Just wanna hard focus any% before 1.5 fixes spore shroom

3 cycle Uumuu kinda free if I can get full soul in time

[hardy crown]

Ah, current patch any%

[steady lynx]

When 1.5 drops you'll need to be actually good to get good console any% runs

But 4:20:69 112% will become much easier to get

If you want switch 112 WR just do what I did but don't mess up as badly in hive

I really fucked up there

[ivory vapor]

I've been working on doing an any% speedrun but I'm not able to do the jumps that use vengeant spirit (such as the jump up to hornet). How can I do this?

[last inlet]

https://youtu.be/v5iOqvckUrg?t=840

this tutorial covers it pretty well

try and follow it and then ask if you have other questions about the skip

[dull plank]

practice but i beat hornet 1 21 minutes in

[ivory vapor]

Did you go the long way around then?

[steady lynx]

Even if you mess up fireball skip you can still do the backup by pogoing that one enemy

[alpine rivet]

I did a really quick calculation on my run if I didn't die to Watcher Knights or Hollow Knight multiple times. Would have been 1 hour 6 minutes if I first tried both. I have a goal to work towards now.

[lime nova]

i really want to get into speedrunning

it looks like a lot of fun but i need to practice watcher knights nail 0

[ivory vapor]

How so? Which enemy

[frank obsidian]

For making new splits for a new category, I can switch to the old one at any time, right?

[jagged vault]

yes

go under "open splits"

there livesplit should show prompts to all other split files you've opened on the device

[slim geyser]

well practice is good, you can also learn the nail 1 rout which should help a bit when you're starting out, or all-skills where spell damage is much better

[steady lynx]

Okay, there's a Squit under where you spawn basically, just lure it to fly to the top left and pogo it onto the ledge

Does anyone have a video of it?

https://youtu.be/6wCb1I0gago?t=572

Like that

[frank obsidian]

Blue loading the layout loads the splits too right?

[jagged vault]

no

layout and split files are separate

[frank obsidian]

ok so save the SPLITS and then change them for a new cat and i can load them back later?

[frank obsidian]

okay wtf is going on? I switched my splits to aluba% and the game keeps FREEZING AND LAGGING FOR NO REASON AND I CANT FIX IT. What the heck is happening?

[hearty adder]

do you have other programs open other than livesplit and hk?

[frank obsidian]

obs

obs studio

[hearty adder]

Were you recording while that happened?

[frank obsidian]

yeah

[hearty adder]

If so it's probably your obs settings making your pc struggle

[frank obsidian]

but this is the first time it happened

[hearty adder]

Are you using discord or any other programs on your pc while having hk + livesplit + obs open?

[frank obsidian]

no

i checked my task manager

[hearty adder]

just to test if everything with obs is ok, do a small test as indicated here:
https://obsproject.com/forum/threads/please-post-a-log-with-your-issue-heres-how.23074/
And adjust your settings accordingly if you need to:
https://obsproject.com/wiki/General-Performance-and-Encoding-Issues

If there's no problems with obs: did you switch out your splits while the game was open?

[frank obsidian]

no i didnt, im running the test rn

[knotty vigil]

whats the best charm build for speedy p1

[steady lynx]

Fury or no Fury?

[knotty vigil]

just optimal

im down to do some fury shit lol

[hallow orchid]

Check out the pantheon speedrun leaderboards for their charm build

[steady lynx]

Mostly it's Fury, Strength, Shaman and Quick Slash

[hallow orchid]

Generally it's overcharmed and with fury but it depends on the pantheon I think exactly which charms are used

[knotty vigil]

ill check the leaderboards ty

[hardy crown]

You can squeeze in Steady Body and Nailmaster's Glory if you overcharm Shaman Stone.

Which is very very good for consistently outputting max damage.

[frank obsidian]

Steady Body takes a lot of getting used to however

[knotty vigil]

i am used to steady, i couldnt find anything on the leaderboards so i was thinking strength qs steady fury overcharming with shamans

[jagged vault]

check the IL leaderboards

Individual Levels

it's a dropdown on the src page

that's where the pantheon leaderboards are

[knotty vigil]

i found the pantheon leaderboard son src, i just couldnt find the charm builds

[fair island]

You can guess the charms by looking at the gameplay

[knotty vigil]

im exceptionally bad at that for some reason lmao but i think i have a good build now, ty all

[hallow orchid]

I think monstah's runs tend to show charms at the end?

could be wrong though been a while

[knotty vigil]

damnit died on dung

im prolly gonna ditch shamans for MoP

[grand elm]

[knotty vigil]

first run 5:09, im so much more used to MoP than shamans

[carmine widget]

Well i didnt know you can get softlocked like this 👀

[hearty adder]

Yeah, that's why people usually wait until after scream to land the final hit if they missed one

at least now you know for next time

[hardy crown]

I like to think that this softlock happens when the Knight kills something as big as the Vengefly King and they just start contemplating the meaning of existence.

[hearty adder]

the Knight questions their morality for all eternity after slaying the King of the vengeflies

[frank obsidian]

SHould i try another zoomie?

Well then, i shall zoom. Say no more!

[frank obsidian]

[pallid sage]

For P1 charms, fury, strength, and quickslash are pretty much nonnegotiable. Shaman stone is heavily advised. And if you’re overcharming, some combination of defender’s crest, steady body, or nailmaster’s glory is typical.

[deft flame]

say you do a run without livesplit recorded on PC

is it possible to retime it afterwards?

[lost musk]

Have no experience with speedrunning and am struggling with some bosses in the game. Normal Grimm kicked my arse -- hard. But have seen some videos, and am a little intrigued. However, I'm on Linux. Does this Livesplit work on Linux? With the most recent patch? (I'm on GOG and don't use Galaxy)

[deft flame]

for submission?

[deft flame]

pretty sure livesplit doesnt work in linux, not that i've ever tried running it in wine

but i suspect the auto splitter wouldnt work even if livesplit itself does

[lost musk]

Hmm, that's a shame. Not even through Wine? Usually many things work there, but I don't know about this/these programs

[deft flame]

you can always try, just to be sure

[quiet saddle]

Hey, I'm streaming my very first run tonight. Is there a channel in the discord that's for self promotion of streams?

:)

[pallid sage]

I think I’ve seen one or two cases of this on the leaderboard. But since you can’t estimate loadless time, it pretty much always comes out longer than it should

[deft flame]

i've seen runs that were retimed to RTA

im asking bc im doing a marathon run tomorrow and want a livesplit recording just in case i somehow PB (not gonna happen but im paranoid lmao)

and i cant have livesplit because of the restream for the marathon

[pallid sage]

There is a Livestreams channel under offtopic that you can use for self-promotion

I don’t know the details of the rules, but can you not have livesplit running invisibly, and later sync it to the video of the run?

[deft flame]

i'd have to record livesplit anyway though

rn im thinking of having 2 OBS instances, one streaming without livesplit, and one recording locally with livesplit

[quiet saddle]

Thanks Lex

[deft flame]

@digital jewel @dry sluice sorry for the ping but maybe one of you knows anything about this?

[hearty adder]

yeah, i think that's what people have been doing

[deft flame]

i see 🤔

[deep kernel]

Debugmod isnt activating on my 1221 patch

[hearty adder]

it doesn't seem like you have moddingapi

[frank obsidian]

[deep kernel]

oh wait im dumb i forgot to do that when i downloaded my version again 🤦‍♂️

[dark blaze]

hey guys wanna see something painful

[ionic cargo]

sure

[last inlet]

oh no

what is it

[true palm]

dead run i presume

[stiff delta]

Damn

[dark blaze]

haha sub 19 go bye bye

[true palm]

ah fun

[stray kestrel]

It still autosplit?

[dark blaze]

no i just did it

[stray kestrel]

Ah

[dark blaze]

it autsplits as cutscene plays

its around 33 seconds so wouldve been sub 19 i think or at least close

[true palm]

pain

[ionic cargo]

Isnt the boss absolute radiance, not absolute 🍝 (seriously though, I feel really sad for you)

[dark blaze]

is the triple nail hit at the start of mmc rng or good timing

[hearty adder]

@ team cherry

absrad has so many problems lol

[hollow mesa]

Damn hunt I can just see you getting up and walking away for like five minutes after that

[hearty adder]

But hey, if you got that close to sub 19 once, you'll get it again

[alpine rivet]

nooooooooooooooooo

[frank obsidian]

wait does that count?

[digital jewel]

count as what

[frank obsidian]

as a finished run? bc the livesplit counted it

[hearty adder]

^^

[digital jewel]

no it didn't

also no it doesn't

[frank obsidian]

omg that hurts to watch

[shut beacon]

is there a glitch with thk when he is doing the weird slam attack

where he gets stuck sliding on the floor

[hearty adder]

yeah, just pogo and hope for the best

[shut beacon]

yeaa its really anoying

i got it twice in a row

is there anything else i can do ?

exept pogo

[hearty adder]

If you're running a category that has dive, use that

[shut beacon]

na ... it was true ending

[cold geyser]

what's the optimal menuing for save+quit and reloading?

[hearty adder]

depends on the patch

cp is one up, 1221 is one down

[knotty vigil]

how do i add a real time and a game time in livesplit?

[storm jacinth]

Are there any runs of 100% steel soul? I feel like giving myself some pain

[hearty adder]

Second pinned message has a guide on livesplit

[digital jewel]

any run of 100% can be done on steel soul

they don't have any intended deaths

[honest folio]

Is there a verifier here that knows if it's an issue if i cut a small part of the audio in my run i want to submit out? My little brother walked in to talk to me so would be kinda embarassing to keep that in

[storm jacinth]

Oh, didn't think about that. Guess I just assumed that 100% also included shade skip into blue lake

[limpid ruin]

Yea, it requires game audio all the way through technically

[knotty vigil]

is there any rules about livesplit obstructing the screen view for submitting runs?

[honest folio]

is it allowed if i put the sound lower, tho?

gotta work with what i have

🥴

[ionic cargo]

depends on how much it covers

[honest folio]

try to make sure it doesnt cover anything, i have had a run denied bc of it

[knotty vigil]

is this too big? sometimes it covers the character like in the ancestral mound

[last inlet]

that's probably fine, might be better if you make the background a solid colour and key it out in obs

[knotty vigil]

as in like make it transparent?

[last inlet]

as long as you can see what's going on clearly and you can see the hud it's allowed

you can set the background to a solid colour in layout settings

then add a 'colour key' filter to it in obs

to make that colour transparent

[knotty vigil]

ok

does it matter what color?

[last inlet]

no

as long as it isn't the colour of your timer/splits

[knotty vigil]

ok

[last inlet]

since you dont have icons you can just set it to black

[knotty vigil]

where do i find the color key option?

[true palm]

obs

right click the source

hit filters

and click the plus

[honest folio]

just a reminder so this doesnt get lost in the sea that is #speedrunning

[haughty fossil]

as long as game audio is audible throughout it's fine

we're not gonna judge you for having bg noise though

[honest folio]

haha ok, ty!

[knotty vigil]

ok i've created the color key and set it to black, now what do i do? sorry i'm really new to this kind of stuff

[dapper cove]

i don't use obs entirely but you just need to set it up to key out that colour key

so then whenever that colour shows up it goes transparent

[haughty fossil]

just tune the sliders until it looks transparent

[honest folio]

ok wow, my screen lagged right when quitting to menu

the audio and music still runs perfectly there tho

oh my pls dont tell me this gets rejected now

[hearty adder]

lagging once is fine

lag is a problem if it makes your run as a whole unwatchable

[honest folio]

yeah no but it is right as i quit to menu so im afraid a verifier is gonna think its spliced

[haughty fossil]

can assure you there is worse lag currently verified

[strong vessel]

My runs are incredibly laggy, as Jamie has seen lol

[honest folio]

https://streamable.com/mdxfar this is what it looks like

[honest folio]

thats a relief haha

the rest doesnt lag at all i think

[knotty vigil]

so it's showing it as transparent in the smaller window but not anywhere else

should i just give up and hope my run doesn't get denied?

i think instead of turning it transparent its just turning it black again

[haughty fossil]

wait you're using a display capture

🥴

[knotty vigil]

idk what that means

[haughty fossil]

you need 2 separate captures, one for the game and one for livesplit

[knotty vigil]

ohhhhh

[hearty adder]

Game capture for the game, window capture for livesplit

Display capture takes a lot of resources iirc

[haughty fossil]

if you want to see livesplit over your game use something like https://github.com/LorenzCK/OnTopReplica to get it to appear over the top w/ transparency

[knotty vigil]

to submit a run do i need two separate captures?

[digital jewel]

oh

yeah you should do game capture for hollow knight

and window capture for livesplit

using display capture is a really bad idea

[knotty vigil]

do i remove my display capture completely?

[digital jewel]

it's resource intense and you're also risking notifications and stuff popping up above

yes

[knotty vigil]

and if i set it to display only hollow knight will it save that setting or will i have to do it again the next time i open obs?

only the hollow knight window*

[haughty fossil]

obs will save your settings when it closes yes

[knotty vigil]

ok

tysm for the help!

i plan on submitting a run by the end of today!

if i can get a good run that is...

and now the transparency is working and my computer is running much better i think

[digital jewel]

great

[knotty vigil]

sorry but i have one more question

do i need to include the full game credits in my recording?

[last inlet]

no

you just need up to where the timer stops

[haughty fossil]

only for categories that require a certain %

[knotty vigil]

yeah im doing any%

[last inlet]

actually yeah if you're doing 112 or smth you need it

[knotty vigil]

ok

[hearty adder]

that's what will determine if your run goes to the 106 or 105 boards

[last inlet]

but yea any% doesnt need it

i'd recommend leaving final time in the recording for a few seconds at least so it's obviously finished

if you cut it super close it just looks a bit weird

[knotty vigil]

yeah

ok thank you!

[unkempt goblet]

P1 poggers

[brittle valley]

Hey, I wanna learn All Skills NMG on PC and I have a few questions. Is the speedrun better when you down patch or can I play current patch? Am I able to get my hands on a prac mod? (wasn't able to find it on SR. com) Are there any resources to help guide me through the route or it better to watch runs? (I saw an All Skills NMG Guide, but it's for downpatched versions, I'll use if it is better down patch). Thanks.

[last inlet]

1. downpatch (1.2.2.1) is faster but the run is possible on both 2. debug mod and the modding api are pinned in #resources 3. pisces' guide covers downpatch well, not sure abt current patch guides

[hearty adder]

Current patch has like 2-3 variants for the route

[last inlet]

another note is that 1221 and current patch are separate leaderboards so dont let it put you off immediately just bc it's slower

[onyx spade]

look forward to seeing you run logic

[jagged vault]

The run is different between current patch and 1221

Both have their own leaderboards

So you can have even competition whichever you run

Exo answered the rest

Oh wait

I got snailed

Nvm exo answered all of it already haha

[last inlet]

you said it more clearly so i think you escape the 🐌 this time

[jagged vault]

🐌

[brittle valley]

Lmao, thanks for the help everyone

Thanks Quatopine, looks fun so wanna give it a good crack

[meager current]

Unintentional egg puns at Easter 👀

[hallow orchid]

By the way should probably mention the run is much easier on 1221 than current patch so it's faster to pick up that way

Since more resources exist for it as well it's definitely better to do 1221 as your first AS run, as much of a current patch shill as I am

[meager current]

Betrayed us current patch runners, smh

/s

[true palm]

all skills probably varies the most in routing between current patch and 1221 than any other category (obviously patch exclusive categories are an exception) so its extra important that you watch current patch runs,, and it has various different routes as well

[brittle valley]

I guess I'll do 1221 runs as it is easier/faster

Fuzzy giving me the warmest welcome 😳

I saw a YT guide on 1221, will probs use that as I'm gonna downgrade

No probs

So it drops more inputs but it's easier than current patch?

[grizzled maple]

You just have access to all of the speed tech where current patch is mostly vanilla gameplay

The most notable minor glitches in 1221 are lever skips and inventory dropping (This is still in current patch but see pins)

[brittle valley]

Ok cool, I messed with Inventory dropping when I was practicing a lil bit, I only got it once and thought it would be that hard everywhere, but good to know it's easier in 1221

[grizzled maple]

yeah it's free on 1221. you can open inventory literally anywhere.

also btw cool to see you interested in hk

the only real reason not to downpatch is if you genuinely like the current patch version of the run, or your pc is too potato to run 1221

[brittle valley]

I haven't tried 1221 so I'll give it a go before I chose which one I prefer, also I'm happy people are welcoming, watching runs has been real fun and playing it is sick

[alpine rivet]

I did some practice on stuff I had trouble with in my first run, like the Crossroads acid skip and the Hollow Knight fight. I got them very consistently. Hopefully that means my next run will have a lot of timesave potential.

I have no excuse for dying on the Hollow Knight so many times in my first run lol

[hallow orchid]

One more reason not to downpatch for All Skills in particular is if your real goal is running 112% later which is locked to CP

CP All Skills has route variants which are basically 112% but short and easy

[true palm]

if you plan on running 112 stick with current patch, 1221 All Skills is imo a better category, but if you're not planning on running it long term you should really stick on a single patch (specially when you're starting) every patch handles differently

1221 drops some inputs in some spots and has a little more input delay, in addition to some minor variations to everything, the patches have months and months of changes and work put between them so its a lot easier to stick with just one

that being said, starting on 1221 doesnt mean you're locked to being on 1221 forever

[daring tangle]

hello

i wanna start speedrunning whats my best bet to start w

what should i do first

[true palm]

first step is finding a category

what time length/ difficulty level are you looking for?

[jagged vault]

Check the pins for some great starting resources!

[daring tangle]

probs any % or god home ending

[grizzled maple]

Uhh not godhome ending

[daring tangle]

god home ending seems rough but fun so ill try that another time once i get the chance

[jagged vault]

Godhome ending is a very very brutal category to start with

[frank obsidian]

Aluba% and 4ms were nice starter cats for me

[daring tangle]

yeah i wont start

[true palm]

god home ending is not beginner friendly, but you are welcome to run whatever you like

[daring tangle]

w godhome

[grizzled maple]

Any% and All Skills are generally recommended. Godhome Ending is a category that even seasoned 112% runners struggle to even complete

[daring tangle]

all skills looks fun

[grizzled maple]

Either way pins is the place to start

[daring tangle]

thank u

[true palm]

godhome ending is the hardest main category fyi

[daring tangle]

lol

[grizzled maple]

All Skills is great if you want to branch into more complex categories like 1xx%

[daring tangle]

1xx%?

whats that

[dreamy bough]

106% or 112%

[true palm]

106 or 112

[jagged vault]

106% and 112%

[daring tangle]

ahh

[jagged vault]

Snail again heck

[grizzled maple]

[jagged vault]

Heck

[frank obsidian]

[daring tangle]

is 106% full completion on grimm dlc

[dreamy bough]

you could also go glitched for more complex categories 👀

[jagged vault]

Snailed the snail

[grizzled maple]

yep tv

[daring tangle]

:D

[grizzled maple]

its run on the normal NMG patch so it has all the fun speed tech and a lot of unique quick kills on bosses.

[daring tangle]

i like NMG runs bc its interesting to watch the art of perfection

[grizzled maple]

where current patch 112% has to fight bosses in a more vanilla way and has less overall speed tech

[unkempt goblet]

New p1 pb poggers

[dreamy bough]

106 uses flukes to basicly nuke everything to smithereens

[true palm]

all skills takes about an hour and ten minutes for an average time (assuming no deaths) and is the fastest to learn

[daring tangle]

aye nice job

im doing pantheon of the knight atm

[hallow orchid]

I don't really think cp has a lot less speed tech. There's less but not much less, just very different

[daring tangle]

its probs my fav and the one i find easiest

[true palm]

after picking a category, you decide whether or not to downpatch (1221 is faster, but is more cpu intensive and takes a minute to set up)

[daring tangle]

all the bosses are good and fun except no eyes and markoth but its not that hard

pv is hard

[unkempt goblet]

P5 is prob my favorite

[daring tangle]

how do u play on previous patches that lets u menu drop?

[frank obsidian]

Has hitles P5AB ever been done?

[daring tangle]

AB?

[frank obsidian]

all bindings

[unkempt goblet]

No, some guy did it in 4 hits tho last time that was the best

[grizzled maple]

I differentiate tech (exploits, abuses of mechanics, etc) from strats (cyclone dropping etc)

[frank obsidian]

I mean that's pretty hecking good

[daring tangle]

oh makes sence

se

[grizzled maple]

most tech was patched

[daring tangle]

i watched skurrys all binding p5 which they did first try after a while

[dreamy bough]

see https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten

[daring tangle]

thanks

i also kinda know how to do shade skip to dn

[dreamy bough]

also, the bosses play way differently casually (where you're just trying to beat it and survive) and speedrunny (where you're trying to survive but also go FAST)

[hallow orchid]

I guess that's fair em but I think from a learning a speedrun standpoint they're pretty much the same, like people wouldn't do cyclone drops in their casual playthrough

[daring tangle]

mmmm okay sounds good

i am worried about watcher knights

everything else looks chill

deepnest might be a pain

[jagged vault]

(Skurry goes by they/them btw )

[daring tangle]

sorry forgot

[dreamy bough]

honestly every section is just a matter of training them a lot - eventually most sections are ok because you went through them in practice

[daring tangle]

u think i wouldnt forget although i watch them alot

[dreamy bough]

(except for rng (frick uumuu))

[daring tangle]

uumuu rng lol

the run im doing rn of hk is about 111% w p4 to go

[flint flare]

trying to learn any% nmg rn and realizing i rely too much on dd and wings to beat watcher knights casually xd

[daring tangle]

thanks for reminding

[grizzled maple]

sounds like a good reason to run all skills

[hallow orchid]

Heads up you used him again here...

[daring tangle]

crap sorry

ill get better i need to not screw up

[pallid sage]

That’s what makes any% watcher knights so hard. There are lots of skills that make the boss fight easy and you have none of them

[hallow orchid]

It can take a while to update in your brain I mess up too with it, just good to watch out for

[daring tangle]

up spell makes watcher knights ez

[pallid sage]

So does quickslash, shade cloak, dive...

[dreamy bough]

dupes make watcher knights easy 👼

[unkempt goblet]

A 4 51

[daring tangle]

legit any spell makes watcher knights ez

[unkempt goblet]

At what time should i start recording my runs

[jagged vault]

Not really true

Any% watcher knights are very difficult

Low% even more so

[unkempt goblet]

True bu theyre fun

[daring tangle]

low % looks like a pain though i watched a few runners do it and it looks rough because the movement is so unique

[pallid sage]

Any spell can punish watcher knights. Unlike some that can’t be shrieked, or some that can’t be dived. All three work on Watchers

[daring tangle]

the wall cling jumps are sper cool

yeah watcher knights are pre fun

whats the best charm for speedrunning other than dashmaster and shamans

[jagged vault]

Depends

[stark birch]

depending on your patch, flukenest or spore shroom

[ionic sparrow]

flukenest

spore shroom is only good vs thk on cp right

[daring tangle]

spore shroom?

[ionic sparrow]

just the bugged interaction

[daring tangle]

what does it do

[stark birch]

yeah it's just cp thk

[daring tangle]

also hi pest

[jagged vault]

Dreamwielder and spell twister are commonly used in longer categories as well

[ionic sparrow]

alot of damage

[hallow orchid]

There's a couple enemies but thk is the only useful one

[daring tangle]

jeez are there numbers for spore shroom dmg on wiki?

[ionic sparrow]

yeah thk is the only one i had seen

[stark birch]

it deals roughly quadruple damage to thk including full damage through self stab phase but only on 1432

[stiff delta]

omg hi pest

[unkempt goblet]

Hornwt jumped on me :(

[stark birch]

the best overall patch agnostic answer after the ones you listed is probably spell twister

[low bramble]

omg is that tk3

[stark birch]

more spells, it turns out, is pretty good

[daring tangle]

hornet is really easy after u beat her once

hornet 2 too

[hallow orchid]

PV is also affected as you might imagine, as well as the great husk sentry but you don't have spore shroom then

[stiff delta]

omg is that beatsaber streamer aerto

[jagged vault]

Not true at all tv, bosses take a lot of practice to do quickly with low gear

[daring tangle]

mhm hornet 1 is easy for me low gear

[jagged vault]

Tossing out calling things ”ez” like This isn’t really helpful or productive

[stiff delta]

Aerto practiced H2 a ton and still died to them in a race

[daring tangle]

true

[pallid sage]

Too much Hornet 1 with fury has made me scared of her

So many runs dead in early game...

[daring tangle]

hornet 2 is a pain sometimes but when u have right gear its not too bad but TE any % hornet 2 would takes lots of practice i imagine

[jagged vault]

Bosses take a lot of work to learn hiw to do in an optimal fashion, as well as reacting to patterns and knowing how to deal as much damage as possible

[daring tangle]

fury is a risky charm

[stiff delta]

fury is cool

[unkempt goblet]

Hornet 2 was my first death

[daring tangle]

any one who can use fury on p5 is a god and i highly respect them

[unkempt goblet]

Boss death

[pallid sage]

Hornet 2 was my first steel soul death

[jagged vault]

It’s all different when you’re going in with the goal to be fast instead of just survivng

[daring tangle]

yeah

id imagine so

ill try and do my first run 2nite when im home

ill probs txt this channel to see how it goes

and u have to reccord a run right?

from begin to end

[stiff delta]

I mean you dont have to record a run

But if you want to submit it than yes

[daring tangle]

well if u wanna submit

yeah okay sick

i used to speedrun super liminal

[stiff delta]

you need to show the title screen too

[daring tangle]

that game is super interesting to run

[daring tangle]

oh thats interesting

[stiff delta]

Its to show that you dont have mods/modding api on/installed

[unkempt goblet]

Why cant i do fury hornet 1 anymore

[daring tangle]

are skins allowed?

[stiff delta]

No

Thats a mod

[daring tangle]

okay so would i have to disable before i do

[stiff delta]

You need to uninstall modding api

you cant have it on

Basically no text in the top left

[daring tangle]

aaaa

okay ill work on it

[stiff delta]

Most runners have an install with and without modding api installed

[unkempt goblet]

Imagine having mods

[daring tangle]

rip grimm knight skin

[pallid sage]

Is she jumping on you?

[stray kestrel]

there is a modded boards

which allows certain mods

depending on the run

[daring tangle]

where are rules for speedrunnnign

[unkempt goblet]

Maybr

[stray kestrel]

next to the submit button on src there are game and category rules

[daring tangle]

@unkempt goblet would hitting up help or no