speedrunning

[stray kestrel]

sometimes it can be finnicky but you can learn a setup

[knotty vigil]

ok

thank you guys, this has been very helpful!

hopefully you will see me on the leaderboards at some point haha

im gonna go practice more now

[sand nacelle]

i might practice later

[trim sonnet]

anybody have the splits for 112?

trying to set up livesplit right now

[haughty fossil]

there are some on speedrun.com but i'm not entirely sure how old they might be

[trim sonnet]

havent seen anything for 112 on that site

[rotund jackal]

#1xx-percent message

[civic hamlet]

whats the average run verification wait time? around 4-5ish days? (tone is hard to tell through text, i am simply just curious is all, luv you moderators )

[true palm]

depends on queue size, i've had anywhere from 5 days to same day verification

[civic hamlet]

i see

thank you

[uneven scarab]

I’ve had a 2 week period once, but it wasn’t really the moderators fault

[true palm]

unless theres been a lot of runs submitted today, id guess it'd be a couple days

[uneven pike]

how hard is qga in comparison to say, comfypogo+mantispogo

[haughty fossil]

qga harder than comfypogo by a long shot

[grizzled maple]

qga is one of the hardest tricks used in hk speedruns

Its something even top runners spend time practicing

[haughty fossil]

its not very input complex, just very precise

not hard to get your head around, just hard to build the muscle memory for kind of thing

[grizzled maple]

It only loses about 40 seconds to go through deepnest. A 34 any% time is entirely possible without qga

So if you practice and feel like its a wall its by no means required

[molten aurora]

Today's the day I go for sub hour all skills

I know, took me a while

[hot latch]

Hey y'all, I keep running into a problem while fighting wk where i can't stay near a wk often enough to get them to go for the nail swing and they just end up both going brrr around the arena, was wondering if anyone had any tips for getting better with that

[dull lion]

No

Since the fight ends right after it’s allowed

If her sister breaks mid fight though it’s an invalid run unfortunately

Ai not sister wtf autocorrect

[molten aurora]

I just wanted to be apart of the fun but my internet hates me and it took 3 mins to upload

[steady lynx]

Do I have to upload?

Look at my pfp

[grizzled maple]

Yes and she's glued to the ground

[steady lynx]

It happens when she "dies" if she's in the dive attack right before she hits the ground

[grizzled maple]

Can't hop

[steady lynx]

Wait, that's a major glitch

[grizzled maple]

Yeah

[steady lynx]

Not if it happens when you kill her, that's allowed

Just if it happens when she staggers and she gets stuck in the ground

[molten aurora]

I swear half of my attempts in runs get reset because I forget to open blue.exe

[true palm]

forgot what caused this, but anybody know what causes lag when opening inventory in cp?

asking for a friend

blue.exe is a program that lets you bind mouse buttons to hollow knight easier in 1221

made by russian hackers for blue

[molten aurora]

A program the presses 'h' whenever I left click and 't' whenever I right click, 1221 really does not like mouse inputs.

Oh was it actually made for blue? I just assumed the name was coincidence.

[true palm]

afaik vali made it for the community, and named it after blue since blue was the one having the most trouble

[haughty fossil]

iirc after he made socd cleaner blue asked vali to make it and vali did

since vali is very good hacker man

[molten aurora]

Ah okay, that's fair enough. I'm glad it exists either way, because I wouldn't be speedrunning without it h

[true palm]

vali is pretty pog

[molten aurora]

Oh yeah, downside of blue.exe is the random h's in messages.

[true palm]

honestly the fact this community has so many cool resources programs and an autosplitter is amazing

[trim sonnet]

hey all. so rookie speedrunner here. When doing a run, do you need to remove the mods like debug and other stuff?

[haughty fossil]

yes, you cannot have modding api active at all

(so no text in the top left of the title screen)

[trim sonnet]

got it. thank you.

[true palm]

easiest way to deal with it is have multiple installs by copying your current patch folder (see the multiple installs portion of downpatching guide on src)

[trim sonnet]

okay, I'll check it out. thanks

[true palm]

your welcome, good luck with the runs

[molten aurora]

So my run died after a 12 second gold in sanctum

But I have a question.

2 rooms before soul master, with that 1 annoying soul twister that follows you through the whole room. In my run he just didn't spawn. Is that reproducible, or was I just lucky?

[true palm]

rng

afaik

[molten aurora]

Makes sense, because I do that room the same every time and I've never seen it before.

[haughty fossil]

he can occasionally spawn outside the window but he should end up teleporting back in bounds eventually

then again twister rng is literal garbage so makes sense it would just die

[molten aurora]

Hahaha, I really hope that's what happened, I hate those guys.

[civic hamlet]

I legitimately cannot catch a break with my livesplit woes, i PB'd Technically (left), but it must've been minimized by accident and streamlabs DID NOT CAPTURE THAT WHOLE RUN'S LIVESPLIT (right).....

not even bothering uploading this one, just gonna cry and try again later lmfao

[molten aurora]

Streamlabs

[true palm]

livesplit cannot be minimized unfortunately

[civic hamlet]

that was the same problem i had when my key overlay wasn't working, just didnt know i minimized livesplit this time

[true palm]

also fyi recommend avoidng SLOBS and using OBS studio

[civic hamlet]

why's that

[true palm]

better on in-game performance

[civic hamlet]

i always thought they were same

ah

[true palm]

nope

slobs is obs with ads that eat your cpu

you can import all slobs layouts into obs studio though pretty easy

[civic hamlet]

my pc sure does get hot with this current setup

[true palm]

like so

when you click that obs studio should find your slobs layout

if you plan on streaming and want streamlabs widgets you can do that from their website using browser sources

ingame fps makes a huge difference (even the first vengefly you pogo in the run moves faster at higher fps) so it makes a difference trust me

[civic hamlet]

i do use rivatuner to cap at 250, but thank you for the obs info, had no idea slobs was making my pc melt, because if it's not that it's something else lol

[molten aurora]

How do I get livesplit to always compare the previous segment to my gold? Not just my pb.

[haughty fossil]

change the comparisopn in layout settings

you can get it to compare to both or just best

eg: this shows delta to current comparison / delta to gold

[true palm]

if ur worried about aesthetics pretty layouts are also pretty easy to set up in obs studio so theres no reason not to swap

[molten aurora]

I love the rainworld, but that colour scheme kinda hurts my eyes

[civic hamlet]

how does it make it easier

[true palm]

it doesnt make it easier but its easy to setup

[civic hamlet]

ah

[true palm]

it also looks less bright on stream due to how colors are sent on my pc

[haughty fossil]

neither one is easier, slobs is just obs studio w/ easy access to the widgets, which you can get from the streamlabs dashboard anyway

[civic hamlet]

and yeah rainworld rocks, i just could never beat the second area lol

[molten aurora]

Ah okay.

[true palm]

my first low% run died to when unbearable lag started up in thk fight, swapped to obs studio and it never happened again

[molten aurora]

Ty Jamie, took me a bit, but I got it figured out

[true palm]

theres also extra comparisons you can choose from here

balanced pb is particularly beneficial to some

[neon island]

Wait, worst segments is an actual thing built-in to LiveSplit? 🥴

[true palm]

yup

[neon island]

That is hilarious

[civic hamlet]

wHAT

thats amazing

[molten aurora]

Time for a 3rd comparison, even if I mess up, something will always be green

[pure vault]

Balanced PB was a lifesaver for me

[true palm]

it turns your run prediction into a worst possible time

that 1 hour vs was from me forgetting to reset timer after my last run

[civic hamlet]

average of pb times does sound way better than wanting to reset everytime you slip up and see the number turn red

also that is a beautiful livesplit background

[true palm]

thanks!

[molten aurora]

Learning not to care when it's red is an important skill to learn.

[pure vault]

you don’t have to lie, we’ve all had an hour long VS

(:

[true palm]

ye mb it was a rough run

[dapper cove]

Speak for yourself I’m a god /j

[true palm]

aspid arena really got me

[pure vault]

my buddy died to FK on his first playthrough and said “okay clearly I’m not supposed to fight him yet” lmao

[dapper cove]

But on a serious note I’m consistently getting around 4 minutes so I’d consider that a win

[true palm]

that was ME

[molten aurora]

I die to FK all the time still

[dapper cove]

My play style is more brute force

[true palm]

i actually stopped playing because i was confused as to where i was supposed to go

[dapper cove]

I never went to waterways my first run

[molten aurora]

Is that really a bad thing?

[civic hamlet]

when i got to markoth i just assumed he was like post game content and ignored him for a long time

first time casually^

[sand nacelle]

welp i haven't practice.

[molten aurora]

Time to practice then

[dapper cove]

i just never opened the pathway to waterways so i never went in

and i never found the shortcut thing with the crack in the wall

i went all the way through literally everything before i did that

like i had 70 hours in the game, was ready to fight radiance, and still hadn't done waterways

[true palm]

as it should be

waterways is cursed

[stark birch]

waterways has emilitia 😤

[true palm]

like low% runner who does dark deepnest daily still detests the waterways noises

its actively the most terrifying and disgusting part of the game

[civic hamlet]

back when i played for the first time i was not aware that some sounds would play full volume anyway despite your in game sound amounts, and i was also not aware deepnest spiders screaming as they spawn in was one of those sounds 🥴

[sand nacelle]

brug

ye i plan to do a actual speedrun tomorrow

[civic hamlet]

make sure you never minimize it and that your start/stop run/reset run key is not being accidentally pressed

[true palm]

did the timer change colors?

thats the default color for paused

[molten aurora]

Assuming you used default colours, that looks paused.

[civic hamlet]

~~haha i get it "26" the funny number ~~

[molten aurora]

Have you double checked the keys since it broke? Just in case they somehow changed?

Maybe you need to reinstall live split? I haven't seen anyone having these problems before.

[true palm]

usually happens if its not run in admin iirc

[molten aurora]

I don't run in admin.

[true palm]

global hotkeys dont work from downloads folder and some times anti virus can get picky if not run in admin

ye idk then

[molten aurora]

For consistencies sake, maybe try removing the auto splitter and see if you're still having these problems.

[quasi stirrup]

Quick question, I bought HK on switch, and was wondering if I could submit a run by just recording my TV with a phone or something like that. I can’t hook it up to my computer sadly.

[verbal stag]

yep that works, make sure the sound is captured too

[quasi stirrup]

It might not be audible at some times, (noise suppression maybe idk, just happens in disc calls, might happen with recording) so I’ll hope it’s ok

Just hoping my storage won’t die from a 1-2 hr play session

Welp, cya’ll

[civic hamlet]

moments before disaster, was a good run and all my overlays were working

dashed a little too early

[lucid stirrup]

@grizzled maple sad hk photos?

[civic hamlet]

I made a small memorial for said run, tis just a funny 15 sec clip, can i post that here

[molten aurora]

Go for it

[civic hamlet]

might be loud from discord auto being full blast

turn down to like half

not earrape tho, just discord making vol full

[molten aurora]

TIL just how bad my early game really is.

[meager current]

trust me, mine is worse

[molten aurora]

I'm calling it now ~30sec pb incoming.

[meager current]

Gl

[mossy sapphire]

Lmao I could have submitted my 4h07 run for any%

I wasnt even speedrunning

[stiff delta]

neat

this channel is for speedrunning though

[mossy sapphire]

I thiught it was related

Too bad

[molten aurora]

Hehe, I died after hornet, before killing the aluba, at 15 seconds ahead. Please kill me

[last inlet]

is this the best way to deal with the husk spawning to the left of the platform or am i missing something

it feels like there might be a better way since you have to stop for a moment in order to pogo the husk

[digital jewel]

when you enter do two dashes then a neutral jump. start holding left near the top of the sign and pogo it

then it's dash, jump+dash, pogo+dash

[last inlet]

ah ok thanks

[normal aspen]

you want to make it so ur pogo on the husk gets u high enough to dash and land on the transition pl;atform instead of having to walljump

[digital jewel]

yes that too

but that's tough and depends on his position too

[normal aspen]

yeah i just meant for the specific case of the husk spawn in the vid

[last inlet]

yeah that makes more sense ty

[molten aurora]

Question, the the crawlid and vengefly at the start of the vengefly king room, are their positions always the same?

[digital jewel]

no

[frank obsidian]

Ngl, even with the few issues I got with it, livesplit was worth it!

[molten aurora]

Sad, I accidentally did this really cool thing where I jumped between them and down slashed, and hit both of them, without ever letting go of left.

That'd be nice for all skills at the very least if it was consistent.

[frank obsidian]

That sounds cool!

[digital jewel]

yeah you can do that in certain situations

[molten aurora]

I might mess around with it for a bit, because for just a moment, I felt like a real gamer

[normal aspen]

Shouldn't ever be needed in all skills but it's certainly nice if you miss the moss knight double

[snow dome]

Good for the VK route

[normal aspen]

Yeah VK without moss knight d9uble really appreciates it

[snow dome]

It's pretty consistent in current patch

I get it most of the time

[molten aurora]

I've neglected to learn the mossknight double

[snow dome]

Moss Knight double is a myth anyway

[molten aurora]

I know roughly how to do it, nail, fireball, jump at his face, fireball.

[normal aspen]

Especially for cp imo

Mainly coz I refuse to learn but let's ignore that

[frank obsidian]

Sometimes I waste like 10 seconds trying to get a CP inventory drop, but when (if) I pull it off, it feels like I'm a GAMER!

[molten aurora]

Ah yes, cornifer storage, the most useful glitch.

[jagged vault]

Interaction storage?

[frank obsidian]

[jagged vault]

Can be used to open tolls and such while moving, so it does have a use

[molten aurora]

Oh really? I've never seen it before, I just assumed it was useless.

[jagged vault]

Makor thougy

Though

[frank obsidian]

Also I cant find it on the src rules, it doesnt specifically state when the timer ends for the 4MS run. I think it's as soon as I get the shard.

[jagged vault]

It does

Under category rules

On the autosplit for the fourth shard

[frank obsidian]

Ohhhh is it in the pastepin link?

I didnt realize that was a link

Corndog storage is major glitch

[molten aurora]

This game never ceases to amaze me, I just stored a jump in a nail swing somehow

[somber cedar]

is there a way to look at old runs, apart from looking at xml or taking screenshots?

would be great to browse them, even better if you could see "this was a gold at the time"

[digital jewel]

what do you mean?

your own runs?

[somber cedar]

with livesplit I mean

yeah, my own runs

[digital jewel]

you can read the file directly with a text editor

[dreamy bough]

To be exact it's as soon as you get the health upgrade, autosplit split on that

[dark blaze]

trying colo ILs and livesplit doesnt activate when i start it in the loading

it just stays paused, the real timer works

[frank obsidian]

you mean when it shows me with 6 masks?

[dreamy bough]

Yes, basicly. the autosplitter splits then

[frank obsidian]

ok, thanks

got a new 4ms PB! 26:56!

[dark blaze]

does anyone know a fix to this then? Also Gg fluffy

[harsh mason]

did you start livesplit after the game or before?

[dark blaze]

after

[harsh mason]

usually just restarting the game/livesplit fixes it

[dark blaze]

alr will try

ty

[frank obsidian]

I got really good RNG on this run, first try vengefly pogo (he get eaten by goams) and first spit baulder, and first try Mawlek!

[cedar basin]

Does anyone have tips on fireball skips?

[hearty adder]

Did you go to ancestral mound?

[hearty adder]

Use quick cast, don't mash but rather learn the timing of the fireballs

Usually you gotta jump as late as possible (or at least pretty late)

[cedar basin]

Tnx, bit im comfused because i use quick cast bit i fall down

[harsh mason]

because you're pressing it like 10 frames too slow

[cedar basin]

Maybe

[frank obsidian]

yes, because im a nub

[hearty adder]

If you timed the fireballs correctly and still fell down it could be because you either jumped too early or started firing too early/late

You have to fire at the apex of your jump

[cedar basin]

Ok thanks

[hearty adder]

If you take too long to turn around you'll start falling and you'll bonk

[harsh mason]

which fireball skip are you even doing

[cedar basin]

And is there a infinity soul mod

[hearty adder]

Debug mod

[cedar basin]

2nd one in green path

[hearty adder]

Check #resources

[harsh mason]

apex usually isn't optimal

if you're firing 1 burst of fireballs: you'll get more distance by doing it 50% between target platform and apex
if you're firing 2 bursts of fireballs: you'll get more distance by doing it 33% and 66%
and 3 is 25/50/75%
4 is 20/40/60/80
etc etc

apex is actually the least efficient point to fireball

[frank obsidian]

I should submit my 4ms run under NMG or CP NMG?

[harsh mason]

which one was it

[frank obsidian]

CP

so cp nmg ig

[harsh mason]

wild

[frank obsidian]

Submitted my run! Hope i get on the boards!

[steady lynx]

Gl

[frank obsidian]

ty!

[dry hazel]

My first run just got approved, and am wondering if I could get speedrunner role?
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/yw0o853m

[jagged vault]

The mods tend to lurk the channel a lot, so in a bit they’ll see this and give you the role!

If they don’t see it in a long time, you can ping them

But there’s usually one around, so that probably won’t be necessary

[harsh mason]

@digital jewel

[dry hazel]

Thank you!

[molten aurora]

Livesplit, are you feeling okay?

Mantis claw to gruz mother in 9 seconds? Something tells me I'm not that good.

[harsh mason]

did you press your split button

[molten aurora]

I have it unbound.

It didn't split until after I killed gruz mother, but it was the totally wrong time when it split, it was really strange.

[harsh mason]

do you have your splits set up incorrectly

[molten aurora]

I've haven't had in issue with 30+ runs past gruz mom, and I haven't touched anything in that time. This was my 3rd run of this session actually.

[harsh mason]

livesplit splitting wrong is usually pebcak

[molten aurora]

I agree for sure. I just don't know what I could have done to broke it.

I'll check all my splits just in case.

Everything seems to be okay, let's just hope it was a freak accident I suppose.

[deep kernel]

I've learned any% and done some runs but I think I would like to run a different category, any suggestions? I'm thinking of TE or Elegy%

[grizzled maple]

Do you have a recording of that segment? This seems like a layout issue

The space from claw to gruz makes sense on the delta but not the timestamp

So that column could be set wrong

[molten aurora]

I don't, I wasn't recording anything this session.

The delta is totally broken too, it was a bad gruz mom split.

Gimme 10 mins, I'll get to that point in the run again and see what happens.

[deep kernel]

`.

[hearty adder]

Why would you like to run a different category?

That should help us know what route could be best for you

[snow dome]

All Skills

The answer is All Skills

[hearty adder]

TE is very cool but also very hard, see Failed Champion and Radiance

[snow dome]

Whatever you want, All Skills has.*

[steady lynx]

All Skills is great for learning a lot of the general movement in the game

[snow dome]

*citationn needed

[low bramble]

all skills current patch*

[snow dome]

Ew

[low bramble]

D:

[steady lynx]

crypt route

[snow dome]

Shade Soul Lever Skip all day

[hearty adder]

Just cite yourself saying it right now and then you won't need a citation

[snow dome]

Power gamer move

[steady lynx]

All Skills is also a gateway into learning 1xx

[hallow orchid]

Elegy% is great!

[harsh mason]

those bosses are easy if you do shriek route.
but see lk/h2 with just wraiths and vs

[hallow orchid]

You get to save all the grubs!

[deep kernel]

I think I would prefer a bit longer route since a longer route allows me to still catch up on the run in any% if I make 2 mistakes I should basically reset (+I love grubs)

[steady lynx]

I have tendencies to skip grubs

[hallow orchid]

I unironically recommend elegy%

[steady lynx]

And kill Nailsmiths

[hallow orchid]

It's pretty fun, and only has one really hard trick (nosk skip)

[steady lynx]

mathulu recommends low% Elegy% on switch

[harsh mason]

thats how any category will be

[snow dome]

All Skills takes about an hour once you've got it down

[harsh mason]

just the longer the category the less optimized your pb will be

[deep kernel]

Is there any guide for it? "cause you need to do dark deepnest (also I have tried/practiced the nosk skip before)

[steady lynx]

Check src on category extensions

[deep kernel]

Alright I'm gonna learn elegy%!

[hallow orchid]

Unfortunately I am almost certain no guide exists

[harsh mason]

unironically why p1 is the best category see a +0.1 and you can reset

[hallow orchid]

Driko are you on 1221 or current patch?

[ionic cargo]

nah, trial of the warrior is better

[steady lynx]

The best and most optimized category is any% PS5

[hallow orchid]

If you need route notes I can post the pastebin here in a bit (or someone else can) but there's no guide to go with them just "go here, get that", so you would want to watch some videos

[deep kernel]

I might just watch the wr make notes and then practice the difficult parts

[hallow orchid]

Yeah that's the way to go most likely. If dark deepnest is troublesome I'd recommend checking out the All Skills tutorial series by Pisces for a couple of the rooms, but note in the big room you have to take a detour to save the grub

Also if you're on cp and not 1221 some things will be different but the route is mostly the same

[sand nacelle]

well imma try 1221 without the particles and hopefully it won't lag

and yes i do plan to practice today

[uneven pike]

@frank obsidian wait what mask shards are you getting for 4ms

[frank obsidian]

I get the goam maze, the 5 grubs, buy one from sky, and mawlek

[uneven pike]

oh ok

your using the route i assume?

[molten aurora]

Okay, this time it split normally, I'm just gonna say livesplit broke and pray it never happens again

[frank obsidian]

I sort of made my own because I’m a noob and need vengeful spirit for mawlek lol

[uneven pike]

tip: no you dont

[frank obsidian]

[uneven pike]

the time it takes to get vs is just as much time as dying to malek twice

[jagged vault]

mawlek with barebones abilities is gonna take some practice

but it's very worth timesave

[frank obsidian]

I’ll practice it with debug savestates

[uneven pike]

learn mawlek barebones

[harsh mason]

stand at max nail range when he attacks jump and move away slightly

[uneven pike]

i generally just tank mawlek and heal with the soul i get from that

if you need to heal do it during the jump

[frank obsidian]

Tanking a 60-hit boss

[uneven pike]

yeah

[frank obsidian]

Lol

[uneven pike]

tank, back up, pop a heal, go back in

[frank obsidian]

I’ll start practicing when I get off the road

[haughty fossil]

ping reply since chat has moved on, you did nothing wrong here, gruz mother split occasionally just does that. you can undo it using the undo split hotkey, default numpad8, and you have a decent amount of time to react to it at least.

wait did I actually not ping reply

[frank obsidian]

Lol

Force of habit probs

[haughty fossil]

discord mobile is being today

[frank obsidian]

Btw feel free to ping me so the notif pops up if u want to talk more abt 4ms peeps

[uneven pike]

My 100% steel soul run started with 4ms just cause

[molten aurora]

Ah okay good to know, I was extremely confused when I saw it happen. Haha, no you pinged.

[haughty fossil]

OK then discord mobile is actually the worst

show me when I reply ping people. gdi

[frank obsidian]

Yeah it showed as a non ping for me too lol

[hallow orchid]

I hate reply pings as a feature why don't they just not ping and you can add in your own ping if you want to?

[haughty fossil]

I mean I use a plugin to ping only on opt-in but I suppose its for larger servers where its harder to follow chat? idk

[hallow orchid]

I understand that you're more likely to need the ping on reply but you can already just ping in the message so it feels unnecessary ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Idk as opt-in, sure, but opt-out is definitely terrible lol

[near ledge]

Hi, I try to install the debug mod to train the current patch but I don't find how to setup it. I checked the SRC guides pages and resources pages but the google drive which contains mods folder don't work. Is there another way to do it ?

[digital jewel]

do you have the mod installer?

that's the easiest way for current patch

[near ledge]

hum i don't think

[digital jewel]

https://radiance.host/mods/ModInstaller.exe

[near ledge]

it's installed

[sand nacelle]

oh no uh

i tried playing current hk and it took me to 1221

[true palm]

ah well heres what i need you to do, show my the folder where your hollow knights are contained like this

[near ledge]

ok I did it, thank you @digital jewel 🙂

[true palm]

double check that you have steam app id files in each of your hollow knights

and then check that you are launching from the correct shortcut/steam game/folder

[sand nacelle]

i should be launching from the correct shortcut

crap

darnet idk what i did wrong

it was working fine earlier until i did the 1221 debug mod thing

[true palm]

Did you check the steam app id thing and can you give me a screenshot of your folders

those are the other steps i mentioned before we can diagnose a problem

for reference steam app id is that text file you created in the multiple installs step of downpatching

[true palm]

ok and they all have steam app id files?

[sand nacelle]

not the current one

[true palm]

copy one from 1221 and put it in there

the only way you dont need a steam app id folder in a Hollow Knight install is if the folder is named "Hollow Knight" and since that one is named "Hollow Knight Current" it needs one

[sand nacelle]

the 1221 mod one was called hollow knight but i renamed it

[true palm]

so whenever you launch a hollow knight game, if there is no steam app id file, instead of launching the game from that folder, it launches whatever game is called "Hollow Knight"

[sand nacelle]

oh

[true palm]

so because 1221 mod was called "Hollow Knight" it launched that one

[sand nacelle]

well now it's updating my game

on steam launcher

[true palm]

ye that can happen if you rename a 1221 folder to "Hollow Knight" without using steam app id files in all of them

which one got updated?

[sand nacelle]

the current one

it's still updating

[true palm]

ok everything should be fine then, but if you have any further issues you can ask here

[sand nacelle]

k

[true palm]

once its done updating slap a steam app id file in there

[sand nacelle]

i already slapped the steam app id file in it anyways

[true palm]

its probably gonna wipe it

because steam 🤷‍♂️

[sand nacelle]

dang

[true palm]

we wouldnt have as many of these issues if steam wasnt dumb but alas we do what we must

[sand nacelle]

but ye i do plan to do some practice things

if i can finnally beat p3

because i've been trying for like a month now

i never really tried messing with files so i didn't really know what i was doing

[true palm]

file management and manipulations pretty new to a lot of people who come here, dont worry about it

[sand nacelle]

anyways

i am hoping to do my first actual run today if i get the motivation to.

[true palm]

its pretty intuitive after a while

[sand nacelle]

and i'll try not to expect it to be perfect

since it's my first

okay it done updating

okay everything is normal again:)

[true palm]

sweet sounds good!

[sand nacelle]

okay spike tunnel practice time also is there a way to teleport the the places

[alpine rivet]

how does this route make sense

i killed my run because i could figure out where to go

i tried the qga skip for over an hour and it never worked

so im kind of relying on this strat

[true palm]

basically, QGA is the hardest skip of any% right?

and because people can't do it

[alpine rivet]

yes

i need this deepnest route

but this routing doesnt make sense to me

[true palm]

fireborns guide covers it

at the end of the queens garden section he goes through deepnest route

just to show it

but trust me it makes sense when you do it

theres breakable floor

[sand nacelle]

ugh i still can't do the fireball skip consistently

[limpid ruin]

Otherwise there's some top runs that do it. Djnattie on the leaderboards does it i know, and some others I think as well

[somber cedar]

Sometimes PBing feels worse than not PBing. Died to Dash Slash hoppers (of all things), Hornet 2 and THK and still ended ahead by 20s.

[limpid ruin]

800 hours in and me neither 🥴

[true palm]

hey a pb is still a pb

even if it feels bad

[limpid ruin]

Yooo Pbing compared to a deathless run shows a frickton of general improvement tho 👀

Lfg rixx!

[true palm]

plus that should feel good to run against

early death makes for lots of free time save, and deaths on bossfights make running against it a lot less stressful imo

also i think hopper deaths are a lot less uncommon than you think... (aspids are mean)

[somber cedar]

ooh you're right, comparing against this should be amazing. I'll hold off submitting and see if I can get a better one after the races tonight.

[sand nacelle]

i hate debug mode sometimes

sometimes i am stuck in a transition

then i have quit the game

ugh

i hate how long it takes for me to get to the tunnel skip

[alpine rivet]

a breakable wall

i spent over an hour on qga and isma skip

and it was just a breakable wall

[limpid ruin]

@sand nacelle what versions are you playing? That shouldnt be an issue about debug unless you end up doing something that would break the game in vanilla as well

[sand nacelle]

1221

[true palm]

don't load savestates when you get hit, die, in transitions, from benches, while paused/inventory

otherwise you've just noclipped to far

[true palm]

oh the mushroom wall, ye its breakable

[alpine rivet]

pain

[sand nacelle]

geez i'm feeling mixed emotions about speedrunningt

like there is many stuff that can go wrong

[true palm]

i forget that ones not obvious because i run 2 categories that have to go that way

[true palm]

speedrunning is not easy, and takes a lot of dedication

[alpine rivet]

if i want to add a split that doesnt have an auto variant, what do i put?

[snow dome]

You can add that split to your list and just manually split when you get to it

[true palm]

i always do mr mushroom 6 as a trigger (its just a placeholder)

[alpine rivet]

because im gonna add a split for breakable wall just so i never forget

[true palm]

you need to have a placeholder trigger so everythings in the right order

you can just name your deepnest split (Break wall) or something if you're worried about it

[sand nacelle]

i might do it when i have spring break which starts on friday

[alpine rivet]

also, when i did a run earler, i got mothwing cloak and it split for both cloak and claw

is that an issue? i can just reverse the split, right?

[true palm]

for instance i've spent a total of 51 hours over 580 attempts on low% to complete 7 runs, (which is a definitely on the extreme side because i reset a lot) but that just shows the level of dedication to the hobby, and this play time does NOT include practice or route learning

[true palm]

you can just reverse the split but you should check ordered splits

[alpine rivet]

ah, yeah

[stray kestrel]

Also does the Mr Mushroom spot 6 work?

[true palm]

its a manual split

breakable wall isnt a trigger, so when Twix breaks the wall they will have to manually split

[stray kestrel]

Ah okay

[true palm]

mr mushroom 6 is just a placeholder, if its not there when they manually split it will prevent Trap Bench from triggering

[sand nacelle]

maybe i should do current patch any % nmg

because all skills is just

alot and ik more about any % nmg than that

so might do any % nmg

[true palm]

all skills is easier to pick up imo

watcher knights is going to take a WHILE with only VS, shamans, and Nail 0

[sand nacelle]

fine then all skills still ig

because if i do any % then i have to do another livesplit setup

[true palm]

if you are on a time budget, i recommend 4 mask shards or another extension category

[somber cedar]

the difficulty spikes in any% are harder, but if you know more about it already, you could just see if you can get the hardest parts down and decide based on that

[true palm]

but remember this is a hobby that most people go into expecting to do long term...

[sand nacelle]

i mean i want to do speedrun but it might take me awhile to actually do it

[stray kestrel]

Myla% is also basically another extension that is basically the first half of any% without watchers

[sand nacelle]

but i'll still do all skills

i mean i can do most of the bossfights

the only ones i'm worried about is wk and hornet 2

[stray kestrel]

Wk isn't as bad in all skills, hornet 2 tho can be rude

[snow dome]

WK in all skills is very straightforward. Hold down and press cast 3 times

Repeat as necessary

[sand nacelle]

ig i'm just worried about the skips

espically spike tunnel

[stray kestrel]

The learning curve is just steep

[ionic cargo]

practise helps a lot

[somber cedar]

spike tunnel and isma skips were just an afternoon with debug mod and infinite health for me, and I'm pretty bad at computer games

spike tunnel in particular is more lenient than it looks

[snow dome]

Isma's is about being very mechanical with your inputs

It is very consistent, but requires you to just do the same thing every time, which can be quite hard under pressure

[alpine rivet]

Okay, so now that I actually know there's a breakable wall, I am gonna cool off and take a break.

And do another later

[sand nacelle]

brug

i'm stuck on a black screen again

why

the game won't let me freaking practice the skip

[true palm]

most likely no clipped too far

[sand nacelle]

but i didn't

i went into the transition

[true palm]

if you no clip when taking damage or loading a state you go oob

[sand nacelle]

i went in there with no clip normally

and it was the same spot too

ugh

[true palm]

i can't be certain but it sounds like you're having issues with no clip, which is fine, just load the state, and if you can't, quit out, reenter the file, and then load the state

[sand nacelle]

sigh

i hate having to go there everytime

i wish there was a way to teleport

[true palm]

Savestates?

check your keybinds under misc

set one for save state

[sand nacelle]

ye i already set key binds but

[true palm]

set one for load state

then use them

[sand nacelle]

i am not at the point where i set one

i am not at the spike tunnel

i haven't even reached it yet

[true palm]

then set another one...

like overwrite the last one

[sand nacelle]

finally made it to the tunnel skip

[dapper cove]

Tunnel skip takes a little while but isn’t bad

[sand nacelle]

bruh

i can't even do it bruh

[true palm]

are you doing setup or setupless (are you wall jumping first)?

[sand nacelle]

ye i'm walljumping

[true palm]

so if you haven't gotten it at all, would recommend decreasing the timescale so you can get it once just for visual comprehension, (default bind is keypad minus, to reset timescale pause and unpause)

(decreasing timescale puts the game into slow motion)

[sand nacelle]

bruh everytime i pogo i get hit by the top spike

[true palm]

you almost have to hit dash at the same time you pogo

[sand nacelle]

i get close everytime

but i just barely miss it

[true palm]

you can also turn on hitboxes as well (forgot the default bind, but its under the Visuals tab)

[sand nacelle]

this is getting frustrating

[haughty fossil]

it's not an easy trick

[true palm]

as i said, decrease time scale with hitboxes on

[ionic cargo]

just practise, and just try to find your own techniques with guidance from tutorials, I did that while practising that skip (granted it did take some trial and error)

[true palm]

just to make sure that you have the right idea on how the trick is performed

[snow dome]

If you are getting hit after you Pogo, you are likely pogoing too early

[haughty fossil]

and make sure you're buffering the dash immediately, you shouldn't wait basically at all between the nail input and dash input

[sand nacelle]

i can't find the hitbox command

[short spire]

as long as you hold the dash button you can literally press them a frame apart and the dash will be buffered

possibly even same frame depending on which one is prioritised by the game?

i think that might be dash though

[true palm]

under visuals unless you're current patch, in which case idk if and where it is

[haughty fossil]

on cp it's a separate mod

[sand nacelle]

i can't freaking do it UGH

[molten aurora]

While practicing soul master, I accidentally overwrote my savestate after I killed him, twice

[ionic cargo]

according to your status you've only been going for 10 mins, it'll take quite a bit longer than that to fully get the trick

[stray kestrel]

there's a respawn boss button for that goose

[true palm]

make sure to leave the room though before respawning him because an invisible ceiling spawns and can be quite buggy

[sand nacelle]

UGH

[molten aurora]

Does it work with soul master, considering the floor is gone ? I've actually never used the command before, so I'm not sure how it works.

[sand nacelle]

this shouldn't be hard

like bruh

[molten aurora]

It is hard though

[ionic cargo]

its 'not intentional' so its going to be 'hard', just keeping trying (and know that at least you have debug unlike console players)

used quotation marks because its subjective

[true palm]

spike tunnel is hard because it was intended to not be possible

as such dont stress struggling with it

[molten aurora]

That spike tunnel almost looks like TC is trying to show you it is possible, with the way that wall is placed. I wouldn't be surprised if they knew it was possible.

But that's just a theory

[sand nacelle]

i keep getting close

[molten aurora]

It's pretty much all about the timing of the pogo, once, you figure that out, the trick gets a lot easier.

[sand nacelle]

i'm taking a break

it's starting to give me a headache

[still rock]

anyone know how to do WK

by that i mean does anyone have any advice on how to do watcher knights

[stiff delta]

fireb0rn has a good guide on it

[hallow orchid]

there's a short guide pinned in #any-percent-nmg

[still rock]

i have watched that but i still vant get past more than 3

[hallow orchid]

yeah they are by far the hardest part of learning any%

no amount of guides will make them easy I am afraid, they will take quite a bit of practice to get down consistently

[low bramble]

biggest advise is don't try to play them super safe, its actually a lot easier to try and go moderately fast

[still rock]

thanks got watched it aand then got side tracked cause pest got a new WR

[plush loom]

how do I make something like this where there's the main event then the sub events in it
also transparent background

[leaden python]

this is livesplit component called "subsplits"

transparent background is probably achieved through the color key in OBS

[last inlet]

transparent background isn't in livesplit itself

needs to be done via a colour key

i believe there is a program that lets you put a duplicate window of livesplit with a colour key over your game, cant remember what tho

[knotty vigil]

How do you put the game in borderless windowed to see livesplit?

[leaden python]

you need to practice more photograph. Stucking on this fight for 10 mins is nothing

but if you need to just learn how not to die then take a time to practice dodging her attacks and properly learning where her hitboxes are

don't be too hasty in doing a run to just have a time, the leaderboards won't go anywhere. Generally, try not to make the same mistake over and over again. Think about what went wrong and try to consciously prevent that from happening instead of just repeating the same thing

[knotty vigil]

i was told yesterday that spore shroom is a good charm for fighting THK in current patch but which charm notch do i get? like which one is the least out of the way of the rest of the run?

[old obsidian]

you dont need a charm notch tho

since you dont need shaman stone

unless you mean something else

[knotty vigil]

oh really?

i thought you needed shamen stoen for thk

[old obsidian]

shaman stone doesnt increase the damage of spore shroom and afaik you just dont equip it and it's fine

[knotty vigil]

i do a lot of VS during the fight though

[stark birch]

shaman VS does 20 damage to thk, spore shroom does more like 100. Overcharming both on is technically optimal (we think), but the timeloss to get spore shroom is already stark enough that you don't want to also detour for a charm notch, and damage tanking and healing will generally whittle him down faster than VS will

[knotty vigil]

ok thanks

[stark birch]

and honestly the overcharm might not even be worth it because of the opportunities early on in the fight to intentionally tank damage early in an attack and heal while he's finishing/starting the next attack

switch WR unequips shaman in favor of spore shroom

[knotty vigil]

yeah i was having lots of trouble with thk

and WK

but i don't know what a good strat is for WK

i do lots of pogos and spells

[hallow orchid]

for cp any% you can pick up soul catcher and end with catcher/spore shroom instead of shaman

I think it ends up being overall worth but it's kinda iffy

for WK check out the video pinned in #any-percent-nmg

[knotty vigil]

ok thanks!

also if i ever submit a run, do i just upload the video captured from obs?

or are there other steps

[last inlet]

as long as you follow all the rules about ui/audio/etc you can just use the raw obs footage

[knotty vigil]

ok

[hallow orchid]

Yeah just upload it to youtube or any other permanent host site and then link the video is the src submission

[steady lynx]

A bit off topic, but don't run on console, setting up practice files is terrible

[shrewd shoal]

Nice! Right now I'm practicing for any% but at the pace I'm going it'll likely be 2 months until I actually submit a run.

Thanks. The main reason I'm taking so long it because I'm kind of a perfectionist which doesn't work that well with learning a speedrun lol

[alpine rivet]

Hollow Knight beat my ass

First true speedrun

Where does LiveSplit save completed run splits?

[true palm]

ur runs pb is saved in segment times

[neon island]

It saves your times within the split file istelf

Also GG!

[true palm]

you can share your split file to splits.io if you want to archive the times (has some minimally useful features if you get a premium account)

[dull plank]

quick question: can you auto time console runs

[true palm]

nope but console times are compared to other consoles anyway

[alpine rivet]

Ah, I saved my segments

[dull plank]

so

[true palm]

so you dont need to worry about that

[dull plank]

i gotta self time it though

i suck at self timing

[frank obsidian]

Just got home after 6 hr road trip, time to practice no-upgrades mawlek for 4MS

[true palm]

when you record it to submit the timing is manually verified anyway

[alpine rivet]

Watcher Knight and Hollow Knight took so much time from me ;~;

[dull plank]

oh so do i gotta use livesplit at all?

[true palm]

no but you should check this out

https://one.livesplit.org/

you can use it on your phone or wherever

[dull plank]

i dont have a phone lol

[true palm]

you can use it on a laptop or whatevers accessing discord

[digital jewel]

self timing is pretty easy. just take the start and end times and do a little maths

[dull plank]

well time to attempt to speedrun

[true palm]

point being is that livesplit is not downloadable for consoles

[dull plank]

wish me luck

[true palm]

would recommend you read submission rules first quickly

if you havent already

but then good luck!

[frank obsidian]

Yeah thats what I did for my first 2 runs before I installed livesplit

YOOOOOOOOOO MY RUN GOT VERIFIED!

<@&284848710960021504> may i have zoomies role https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes/run/zqgn5q1m

[dry sluice]

ye

[frank obsidian]

Yay

ty!

[alpine rivet]

when submitting, can the link be a twitch highlight?

oh cool

so, is this fine?

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/966877671

[grizzled maple]

Yeah you just can't use a vod because they expire

[alpine rivet]

no

[grizzled maple]

you have to actually highlight it

[alpine rivet]

That's a twitch highlight

[haughty fossil]

i mean the end time being in the title is a pretty dead giveaway its a highlight

unless you're on some nostradamus shit

[alpine rivet]

lol

also, what is prioritised? in game time or real time?

okay

[hearty adder]

Game time is a more fair comparison to other players, as every pc has different hardware that will greatly affect loading times

Console runs can use real time reliably because they're all the same performance

[alpine rivet]

where is says submissions must include the title screen, does the file select count or does it have to go from title to file to game?

[haughty fossil]

needs to go from title to file to game

[alpine rivet]

okay, thanks for the heads up

ill do the highlight again

[hearty adder]

It's to make sure there's no mods active nor modding api on the main menu screen

[frank obsidian]

It says only the load normalizer mod is allowed in src

[haughty fossil]

also easier verification of what patch you're on

the load normalizer assembly is separate to the one on modinstaller fwiw

it does not use modding api, so doesn't affect how the game works as much

[alpine rivet]

i have never touched the mod api

[frank obsidian]

thaaaats why i couldnt find it

No upgrades mawlek practice is suffering

[grizzled maple]

its only a specific version of the load normalizer, for the record, and only for 1221

i dont want misinformation out there

modding api is entirely banned

[alpine rivet]

what about stuff for after the run? do the credits need to be there?

[grizzled maple]

not unless the category needs a % total

[frank obsidian]

thaaaaaats also why i couldnt find it

[frank obsidian]

except for the modded runs

[grizzled maple]

if it has a requirement youll need to watch credits. otherwise you're good

[honest folio]

Hey, i recently got a run denied because my layout was obstructing some stuff, i changed it a bit and i was wondering if a verifier could maybe tell me if this is good? Thanks in advance

[frank obsidian]

lol the webcam is cheddar

[honest folio]

Gouda cheese* ^^

[grizzled maple]

are the splits covering part of the game? I would avoid having anything permanent on top of it. an example of non permanent would be like an alert pop up

[alpine rivet]

okay, so i can cut the highlight right after the cutscene end for a nmg any% current patch run?

[grizzled maple]

make sure the game is entirely visible

yep twix

[alpine rivet]

pog

[haughty fossil]

yeah this seems fine

[grizzled maple]

you can even end it once the timer is done. just a lot of people like the cutscene in the vod

[alpine rivet]

ill keep the cutscene in

[honest folio]

Just a teensy tiny bit, wil change it tho. Ty for the advice!

[hearty adder]

It's a very tiny bit, and the HUD isn't covered, so it's probably ok

[frank obsidian]

Cutscenes are cool unless you're on my computer and they freeze if I have literally any other app open. Luckily my run was verified regardless so pog

[grizzled maple]

still if you don't have the entire game feed visible that could become a problem later. say something sketchy happens over in that little corner

there's no reason to cover it if you can avoid it

[honest folio]

I have had some runs denied for dumb stuff on my behalf so ty for all the advice

[honest folio]

Cool, not an issue luckily! Ty!

[dull plank]

dang cant find a controller grip to speedrun :/

[frank obsidian]

I talked to Elderbug during my speedrun. It's not about money runtime, it's about sending a message.

[knotty vigil]

i finally got sub 1 hour any% CP NMG

i got 54 minutes 13 seconds

[hearty adder]

That's a pretty pog time

[knotty vigil]

unfortunately i didn't record it

i think it's good for my 3rd day of speedrunning

[frank obsidian]

[hearty adder]

Now you gotta get a sub54

[knotty vigil]

the spore shroom absolutely shredded THK

[hearty adder]

sporeshroom route, trully a person of culture

[shrewd shoal]

Wait, does sporeshroom actually save time? I thought it was just a meme

[haughty fossil]

no, but it is a much easier way to kill thk

(on current patch)

[shrewd shoal]

But it does like 0 damage

[haughty fossil]

it does a lot more to thk

like 200 damage per heal

[frank obsidian]

it hits all of its hitboxes at once

[meager current]

It does like 250 damage (?) To THK

[shrewd shoal]

How much time does it lose?

[haughty fossil]

around 50s to qg route, minus however much time you can save in thk

which i'd probably cap at around 20s, its fast but not that fast

[hallow orchid]

it's 100 damage ish

Jamie you labbed it how are you spouting the wrong number lol

[true palm]

isnt it 120 if you hit every tick

[haughty fossil]

idk i recorded something while listening to hey there delilah i didn't lab anything

[knotty vigil]

spore shroom is really good for new people like me who die to THK a lot

[shrewd shoal]

That's a relief. For a sec I was afraid I would have to undo all my fungal wastes practice

[hallow orchid]

Spore shroom is a pretty viable strat on cp any% tbh

on pc panta got a low 37 with it

onmi's first 37 was with it too I believe

and switch WR has it now lol

[knotty vigil]

i also am scared of QG route

[hearty adder]

However, if you're a newcomer it'd also be a good idea to learn the THK fight; if only for the sake of getting more general combat knowledge for the game

[shrewd shoal]

Personally, I'm learning each section one at a time in order, so It'll likely be the last thing I do

[meager current]

If you can't do qga route, probably worth picking up spore shroom tho

[true palm]

if you cant do qga sporeshroom is optimal

iirc

[haughty fossil]

absolutely correct

[hearty adder]

if you're already on the way to deepnest, you might as well get it

[meager current]

Also

[knotty vigil]

idk i've never tried QG route but im scared to try it

[meager current]

When is the best time to equip spore shroom?

[shrewd shoal]

Hey, It's much prettier than Deepnest at any rate

[haughty fossil]

deepnest route is far easier than qg route

[true palm]

dirtmouth or beasts den bench id assume

[knotty vigil]

in my run i did it at black egg bench

[shrewd shoal]

You can equip a charm at beasts den bench?

[true palm]

black egg is slower because you have to cancel

[knotty vigil]

ah

[true palm]

the one by the breakable ground not the trap

[hallow orchid]

beasts den bench is the fastest yeah

[true palm]

after devouts

[haughty fossil]

den bench is probably fastest, but you then miss the inventory drop unless you're a god gamer

or you don't prebreak the floor ig

[true palm]

just dash over/ jump over the ground probably

dont do it at hotsprings because devouts and dont do it at black egg because you cancel cdash and theres forced walking animation before the load zone

[knotty vigil]

any tips for devouts? i lost a lot of time to them

[frank obsidian]

I think u should do it at black egg bc if you jump you move faster like in dirtmouth

[true palm]

you dont

[haughty fossil]

black egg is definitely slower

[true palm]

its been labbed

[haughty fossil]

black egg > dirtmouth > den > hot spring (maybe? unless spore shroom is also op on devouts, which i seem to remember disproving)

[frank obsidian]

Devouts

[true palm]

slash twice, dash into them, hit two more times fireball

[alpine rivet]

for milliseconds, is it three integers or two?

because livesplit has it to two

[true palm]

put a 0 at the end

[alpine rivet]

thanks 🙂

[haughty fossil]

milliseconds are removed anyway for all but wr tiebreaks ( and some shorter ILs)

[true palm]

the timers not 100% accurate with that short of time (i've seen it round up in transitions randomly)

[hallow orchid]

you disproved that spore shroom is op on devouts yeah

smh I remember Jamie's labbing better than she does 😤

[haughty fossil]

i was jamming to hey there delilah instead of focusing

[hallow orchid]

respectable

[shrewd shoal]

Hey, I was wondering why people don't inventory drop on current patch more. It seems pretty low risk and I get it about 50% of the time during practice. However, only the top runners use it, and they don't use it a ton.

[hearty adder]

current patch inventory dropping has been partially patched

[shrewd shoal]

I know, I do it off a ledge.

[hearty adder]

if you haven't practiced it enough, it could be a timeloss to go for it and lose time

plus there aren't many huge falls that guarantee going for it

[haughty fossil]

yeah its not worth the potential timeloss on many falls

that being said i am a current patch runner and i go for the ones that only save 0.2s 😤

[hearty adder]

plus with how it was discovered you can cancel the hardfall animation with inventory, it's easier to recover

[hallow orchid]

I go for like all of them and miss like way too many of them

[dry sluice]

god, hey there delilah, I haven't heard that song in like 12 years

[hearty adder]

the only inv drop i get 100% of the time is the one on the way to Howling Cliffs from Greenpath, with the two baldurs

[haughty fossil]

math bullied me for having it on repeat while labbing stuff

[grizzled maple]

what's it like in new york city

[shrewd shoal]

Still, I feel like more 20-40 ranked people would go for them since a lot of them do actually hard stuff like QGA and Mantis Pogo

[dry sluice]

I couldn't stand to hear it more than once a year at this point lol, I heard it way way too many times in the past

[alpine rivet]

👀

I reviewed the submission rules and it seems fine

[sand nacelle]

dang people already did runs

man i really should practice the spike tunnel skip again

[hearty adder]

any% cp isn't as optimized as 1221, so missing inventory drops isn't a deal breaker even for top 50 times

[shrewd shoal]

Ok, makes sense

[sand nacelle]

why did i get 4 hmmms

[hearty adder]

1221 inv drops are literally free, but cp inv drops actually have the potential of just losing time

ultimately it's personal preference

[hearty adder]

what do you mean by this?

[grizzled maple]

because you said "dang people already did runs" about a game that came out over 3 years ago

[sand nacelle]

i mean new speedrunners

[frank obsidian]

Surprisingly calm if you live in the right place, very scenic as well!

[sand nacelle]

not everyone

lol

[grizzled maple]

there's new people every single day

[sand nacelle]

bruh

i'm just gonna ignore i ever said that

[hearty adder]

There's new speedrunners everyday, don't feel like you gotta compare yourself to them (or anyone at all)

[grizzled maple]

hk is one of the fastest growing communities tbh

there will always be new people and always be people who have more experience

[frank obsidian]

Silksong hypers is my guess why it's growing, besides the fact that, you know, amazing game, amazing lore, amazing OST.

[hearty adder]

In the end, especiallly in a community as big as this, it's best to focus on your own personal progress

Especially if you're going for a category as competitive as, for example, any% or All Skills

[frank obsidian]

Im last on the 4MS CP NMG leaderboard, but that's fine by me. I can only go up from here!

[true palm]

low% peepoArrive

[grizzled maple]

You're all zoomers

[jagged vault]

..yes

[grizzled maple]

It's a song 👵

[sand nacelle]

there's not wrong with being a zoomer

[true palm]

zoomer peepoArrive

[grizzled maple]

please listen to hey there delilah, you're welcome in advance

[frank obsidian]

hk ost peepoArrive

[jagged vault]

the good thing about being a zoomer is that i can call myself a zoomzoomer due to being baby speedrunner

[grizzled maple]

now back to our regularly scheduled speedrun discussion

[frank obsidian]

How does one "Do the no upgrades Mawlek?"

[haughty fossil]

don't get hit

(watch top runners and see how they avoid damage)

[hearty adder]

Watching other people's runs will probably help you pick up strats

[meager current]

Great idea, I'll try that

[hearty adder]

Now that you have a blue role, you can check #misc-runs-nmg to ask for further help

[hearty adder]

Wait why do I get the snail, on my end it display Jamie's message second

[meager current]

Because for everyone else it shows your message last

[haughty fossil]

impartial 3rd party retiming yltsi

[hearty adder]

damn, got a new snail pb

[sand nacelle]

time to practice tunnel skip again

[frank obsidian]

imma do another 4ms run, hoping for a new !

[hearty adder]

4 mask shards

Very cool category extension

[alpine rivet]

Oh yeah, I got the double stalagmite kill in my run. Had never attempted it before, so I'm pretty happy

[jagged vault]

Yup

[meager current]

The best category extension, actually ok tied with nkg%

[sand nacelle]

i still can't do it ugh

[hearty adder]

Slothy coming with the good taste

[alpine rivet]

Slick

[hearty adder]

It just takes time; if you want some help, you can record yourself doing it and we can give tips

[alpine rivet]

I wanted to share it, but if it's clogging the channel I'll remove it

Understandable

[sand nacelle]

great hollow knight isn't responding

[frank obsidian]

Guys whats the program called that i can use to screenrecord HK and livesplit at the same time? someone told me last night but i forgot

[grizzled maple]

OBS

specifically OBS Studio is what you want

[frank obsidian]

okay, thanks

[true palm]

not really

[grizzled maple]

It's really easy if you sit down and learn what all the shiny buttons do

[true palm]

its the best recording software out there

slobs looks easier but eats your pc and isnt easier

and other software just doesnt cut it at all

[grizzled maple]

slobs is also extremely limited compared to studio

[frank obsidian]

i assume i trust OBS studio

[true palm]

yup

[frank obsidian]

ok, thx. it didnt say that in the guide.

[true palm]

probably need to add a noise suppression or noise gate for your mic

and play round with it

[sand nacelle]

couple of attempts i did.

[true palm]

are you submitting...

[sand nacelle]

no

it's attempts of the tunnel skip

[true palm]

for future ref you should remux the recording to mp4

helps so we dont have to download anything

^

[hot latch]

Hey y'all just a quick question, do you guys usually keep livesplit visible over hollowknight? (i'm not talking about recording i mean like while you're playing what you see)

[true palm]

most people use a two monitor setup, theres a section to setup livesplit for single monitors in the livesplit section

[meager current]

I have everything on one monitor becuase I don't have 2

[hot latch]

Alrighty thank you!

[true palm]

because livesplit doesnt stay on top of fullscreen hollow knight

[hot latch]

^

[true palm]

so you have to force enable windowed borderless or use other programs

in addition to checking settings in livesplit

so a section was added to prevent questions

[hearty adder]

Can you force enable windowed borderless directly from the .exe or do you gotta open it from steam?

[uneven stratus]

crap you found my strategy

[true palm]

you can hypothetically do it from the executable its easier with steam though

[haughty fossil]

you can add arguments if you make a shortcut, not sure straight off the exe

[true palm]

nope theres a setting to for always on top

[hearty adder]

if you open livesplit after Hollow Knight it will stay on top, but if you tab out it will stay under it

which is very annoying

either that or it just will stay below it

[hot latch]

No, mine doesn't, it randomly was on top one day and it was nice so i'm trying to get it to do that now

[true palm]

windowed borderless is the best option

[frank obsidian]

Yeah will my run get denied if livesplit covers part of the game?

[meager current]

Depends what part

[true palm]

depends what part and how much

[languid spindle]

Question is keyboard and mouse preferred over controller or are they on the same level cause I’m considering learning to play keyboard and mouse

[haughty fossil]

same level, top runners use both

[verbal stag]

theyre all the same, just preference

[frank obsidian]

ill send a screnshot

[hearty adder]

Gladly Hollow Knight is the kind of game where you can go with the control scheme you find most comfortable

[true palm]

the best option is to use a color key filter in obs, set up a layout @frank obsidian , or make it small

[sand nacelle]

more attempts

[hearty adder]

have you watched Pisces' All Skills guide?

[grizzled maple]

you should go watch my guide because its gonna tell you everything i'm about to tell you here

[languid spindle]

Yeah okay thank you all for your advice i might mess around with it set up some key binds I’m comfortable with

[hearty adder]

it includes a section on spike tunnel

[true palm]

pogoing too early

[verbal stag]

you want to hold your jump through the whole skip

[grizzled maple]

hold left the entire time dont hesitate, you can pogo later than it seems

[frank obsidian]

no idea what that means or how to do it

[haughty fossil]

you should be doing a full jump

[grizzled maple]

my video also shows the hitboxes

[frank obsidian]

i can figure how to make it smaller

but idk what that first thing means

also is it possible to make a shortcut to open livesplit so i dont have to go into files every time or no

[true palm]

yup

[frank obsidian]

how

[hearty adder]

Color key is an obs filter that will key out the color you want, making the source transparent

people use that to have transparent livesplit on their layout

[true palm]

click on that and a file will be created

[hearty adder]

however, it's more gpu-intensive, so it may not be ideal if you're tight on resources

[true palm]

drag that shortcut on your desktop

bam

you have a shortcut

[frank obsidian]

yeah, my gpu is alr pretty stretched, so ill just make it smaller

[hot latch]

I went into layout settings on livespilt and Always on top was already checked and it's not doing that is there something i'm missing?

[sand nacelle]

i just can't seem to do it

i try holding left all the way

idk what i am doing wrong i'm going lower

[true palm]

windowed borderless requires the game to be launched windowed first, if you dont know what im saying read the guide on src for livesplit

[meager current]

Or if you are cool, you can make livesplit horizontal and have it along the bottom of the screen, sadly, im not cool enough to do this

[hot latch]

Thanks a bunch!

[true palm]

dont let livesplit cover your hud, dont make it huge, simple as that

[hearty adder]

You can also check Jamie's OBS tips guide to make it more gpu-friendly
https://pastebin.com/z5qVqnSQ

[sand nacelle]

YO I DID IT

[hearty adder]

basically record the game at 720p 30fps, you can go as low as 480p but lower will probably be too much

[knotty vigil]

to submit a run do i need to have game time and real time displayed on livesplit?

[hazy birch]

real time not required, game time yes

[knotty vigil]

ok

[hazy birch]

well if you want them to use your loadless time anyway, otherwise they'll time it RTA but that's not good for you

[knotty vigil]

i want them to use loadless

[true palm]

loadless needs to be displayed at all times

time with loads never does

[knotty vigil]

just downloaded OBS, hopefully i'll be on the leaderboards at some point soon

is there anything else that could get my run rejected that i shouldn't do?

[haughty fossil]

check the rules on speedrun.com

everything is there