speedrunning

[frank obsidian]

and theres this wierd yellow bar in the middle of the thing

the video length thing

[kind flume]

I'm sure you can figure this out, and this isn't really fitting for #speedrunning

[haughty fossil]

.

[frank obsidian]

sorry, just trying to submit a run and i have no idea what im doing

am i supposed to highlight the entire thing

ok

[jagged vault]

the process should be pretty intuitive

[frank obsidian]

is the final time on the end screen with or without loads?

[normal aspen]

With

[jagged vault]

the in game timer is extremely inconsistent and inaccurate, and therefore we do not use it for validating leaderboard times

[normal aspen]

But 8ts also horr8bly innacurate

[jagged vault]

it's kind of with, but is also really bad

[frank obsidian]

well shit

[jagged vault]

sometimes it shows times like 7 seconds or 1 second

etc

[digital jewel]

fluffy a lot of of your questions could be answered by just reading the rules on speedrun.com

[hearty adder]

You can just go over the run yourself and get the timestamps of when you started and when you ended

[digital jewel]

weren't you already directed there?

[jagged vault]

yes, read the pins and read the rules

they should answer most of your questions

[frank obsidian]

ok so it started at 1:38 and ended at 26:19 so for loaded time i would put 24 mins 41 sec?

and leave loadless blank

[low bramble]

you can't submit without loadless time

[true palm]

you can

[low bramble]

TIL

[true palm]

i mean ah you can submit time with loads

and it will be compared to time without loads still

[haughty fossil]

correction: a verifier will edit your run to use time w/out loads even if it has loads. on full game runs boards this means you have the same time for time w/ and w/out loads

[frank obsidian]

ok cool

so i can leave theloadless blank, right?

[haughty fossil]

sure

[frank obsidian]

ok, ty

[frank obsidian]

okay so it says they will notify me, i assume by email?

[rugged crow]

not sure about email, but you'll get a notification on src

[frank obsidian]

oh okay

[rugged crow]

it shouldn't take long for it to get verifed, just check back every so often

[molten aurora]

I was just practicing the start of 106%, in the room with the 2 big mushrooms that gives the charm notch, I purposely went down to 1hp for fury. But when I got the full heal from the charm notch, I still had fury, is that considered a major glitch?

[ionic sparrow]

no

[frank obsidian]

I dont think so

because ive seen people use it

its because the charm notch heals u, but the game doesnt recognize that u healed, and u still have fury. But if you get hit, it updates and fury goes away

When it says "no debug dreamgates" it means that you cant use the dreamgate tab, regular dreamgates are fine, right?

for debug%

[old obsidian]

exactly

[kind flume]

Yeah, with this option

[idle pike]

what was the program that shows your inputs so you can overlay them onto your stream?

[kind flume]

I use nohboard

depends if you're on controller or keyboard

[idle pike]

i intend to use keyboard

[haughty fossil]

gamepadviewer is a good obs studio plugin, but most people use nohboard anyway, seems easier to set up too

[kind flume]

What're you confused about? :) Auto-splitter pauses timer automatically during loads, so as long as you set the timing method to Game Time it should be all good

[haughty fossil]

in game timer != livesplit "game time"

livesplit "game time" = load time removed by autosplitter

in game time = random number generated by will smith

in game timer is not used by us, no

[kind flume]

livesplit is not inaccurate, is all you need to know :P

[haughty fossil]

livesplit "game time" is what we use for almost all leaderboard timings

[somber cedar]

the only really inaccurate thing is the game time reported by the game itself, because it's inconsistent and buggy af

yeah, it's unintuitive. that's why we use livesplit. (also please don't ping reply)

[kind flume]

you shouldn't turn autosplitter off though

[haughty fossil]

it reads the game's memory to see when certain events occur

[kind flume]

good luck! which run are you doing?

fun! good luck :D

[haughty fossil]

verify integrity of game files in steam

assuming you're on current patch, open steam, right click game, local files > verify integrity

no the steam client

[burnt yacht]

Watcher Knights are the embodiment of suffering

The run was like an hour before WK, it's like my 2nd attempt at speedrunning, I got a bunch of the skips off, then I spend 2 hours on WK

Good timesave for next time but still aaaa

Mhm, I got timing for double fireballs pretty good like an hour 30 in

Into the fight, not the run

I can do the fight decent as long as it's not One Rolling One Bouncing

[molten aurora]

I've been practicing mantis pogo for about 2 hours at this point. Not being able to get it at all, before realising I'm meant to upslash the mantis warrior

I can hit it now at least

Practice.

[haughty fossil]

russian cheats 😄

[molten aurora]

General tips though, jump as late as possible, and try and get your turn around as fast as possible.

Oh and use quick cast.

And turn off vsync

[haughty fossil]

unironically there's an socd cleaner (when you tap right you actually move right rather than having to release left first) in #resources

[hallow orchid]

Yeah if you're on keyboard the answer is unironically russian cheats

[molten aurora]

What do you mean, I find keyboard fireball skip easy

Unironically.

And I can confirm I'm not russian.

You controller people are the real ones who are cheating.

[haughty fossil]

the cheats are russian because vali made them

the socd cleaner does what controller dpad override does but without dumb claw grip

[molten aurora]

I should try out that socd cleaner, but I also don't want to have to overwrite my muscle memory.

[haughty fossil]

you don't have to

[hallow orchid]

There's an allowed program in #resources to help make fireball skips easier for keyboard specifically

These we affectionately refer to as russian cheats

[ionic sparrow]

It’s allowed because we want all input methods to be equal so there isn’t one superior method

The controller has an advantage due to analog and dpad priority so the socd cleaner emulates this behavior on kb

[haughty fossil]

afaik vys was using smashbox with hw socd cleaning too before asking about it so we were kind of forced into that discussion

[ionic sparrow]

As well, you could buy a custom controller like a smashbox or something similar and have the behavior anyways

[normal aspen]

I mean controller has dpad overwrite

[haughty fossil]

use whatever you're most comfortable with, just don't argue about which is better because you will be wrong

[molten aurora]

Dance pad is a close second.

[haughty fossil]

idk guitar hero con seems like an ideal input method @ math

[ionic sparrow]

Anyone who is running a category where kb is easier to@mash on can just mash on kb, it doesn’t require you to know how to play the game efficiently on another input device

You can just mash on kb and move using controller

Either way to two scenarios aren’t the same

Socd cleaner was custom controllers already having the capability and regular keyboards not being able to

To not have a pay to win hardware advantage like that, just equalize the playing field

Yes it could, but as a community we decided against it

So we allowed it

We voted on both suggestions and this was the outcome lol

[hallow orchid]

Yeah there was a vote and iirc it wasn't all that close, it's really not a huge thing until nail turnarounds become the meta

[ionic sparrow]

Download the exe from the link in resorces

Run the exe

For any other question consult the GitHub page first and then come back

[normal aspen]

I mean if nail turnarounds become meta controller players just switch to claw

[hallow orchid]

Claw grip sucks though so no

Like I already don't do claw for fireball skips

[normal aspen]

Yeah I never did it

Just gotta be sick on the stick

Fwiw I did mag ismas agaim on controller with just analog so controller players can't say shit

[haughty fossil]

shit

[normal aspen]

Damn Jamie when did you switch to kb

[tired oxide]

So silly current patch all glitch category question: in MMS godhome is there a way to fight grim or is he forever glitches with godhome save?

[hallow orchid]

You can't fight grimm in the overworld with godhome MMS from what I've heard

And if you reenter godhome I think the game crashes

[tired oxide]

So that notch and % is forever locked out then?

[hallow orchid]

Yeah afaik there's no way to do 112% with MMS

[tired oxide]

Huh, I need to check that with no mods

[patent needle]

you start with the notch

godseeker gives you all notches

[tired oxide]

You do start with the notch but you can get more glitched notches

[patent needle]

it's just the %

oh cool, didn't know that

[tired oxide]

There is a few other things as well

I think all glitches 112% is possible with mms goshome

But I do need to do a test run without mods as I run debug and bench warp for testing and I got back into goshome without glitches

And if it crashes when you go into goshome without mods it's not possible XD

[hallow orchid]

Even without that, you can't get the grimm%

[patent needle]

I don't think it crashes

but once you enter godhome you can't leave it

so you need to get 108% before entering

[hallow orchid]

That's not so bad, since you can just finish in godhome like nmg 112

[tired oxide]

And you need credits to roll too

[hallow orchid]

I mean 112 AG would need to do p5 as well anyway

[tired oxide]

Godhome saves don't roll credits after p5

[hallow orchid]

Oh, that's interesting

But yeah unless the grimm quest is figured out I think it doesn't work yet anyway

[patent needle]

the category technically doesn't require godhome ending though, just all pantheon bosses

[tired oxide]

Yep

So you can 1: so please first then glitch out

[patent needle]

so if you could leave godhome you could just kill THK after

[tired oxide]

Also some pantheon bosses count towards %

[hallow orchid]

I think the issue is Videos must show completion percent at the end of the credits.

so if you can't get the completion screen you're in trouble

[tired oxide]

Yeah and to so that credits must roll so you MUST end on THK

[hallow orchid]

you will still need to go through all p1-p5

[tired oxide]

Yeah as you must do p5

And kill absolute.

My testing says you keep your percent when you mms

[patent needle]

does beating p4 open the entrance to the p5 room, or can you just not interact with it until you beat p4?

[tired oxide]

You have to beat p4 but I haven't tried skipping it

But p4 is a %

[patent needle]

you can get extra percent from masks and vessels though?

[hallow orchid]

generally 1xx AG categories have source requirements understood I believe

[patent needle]

or do you not start with the % from your current masks?

[hallow orchid]

I could be wrong but otherwise you'd be at near 112 from load in

what does TE AG end at?

[tired oxide]

Just masks

I got a bit of a muddled document give me a second

[patent needle]

you'd still be a missing a lot, 30% is from bosses

[digital jewel]

you start with around 80% iirc

[patent needle]

I think you start with 73?

[tired oxide]

You start at 74%

[hallow orchid]

anyway, again, is there a way to get grimm's %?

because if not it's all moot

[tired oxide]

This is what you need

Getting extra masks gives %

Get 2% and you negate the need to do grimm

[hallow orchid]

is there no source requirement?

[patent needle]

it's unclear from the SRC rules

[tired oxide]

Its do p5 all bosses. And 112% at end screen with credit roll

But unclear

[hallow orchid]

I would imagine e.g. 100% TE AG wouldn't have done much at all if they could just dupe masks for a ton of extra %

[digital jewel]

can't you banish?

[tired oxide]

Nope

[digital jewel]

I feel like I could banish for that % when I tested

[hallow orchid]

you still need the TMG fight

[tired oxide]

Its locked

You need to fight grimm before banish is unlocked

[digital jewel]

my bad I remembered it progressing to the final stage already since you have the full charm

[tired oxide]

It doesn't seem to count as you're at the end of the quest when I did

I got i think the first talk grimm chat then its all locked and I can't NKG

[digital jewel]

ok you're right

[tired oxide]

But what you can do is do go through the wall for NKG I think

Ans get a %

[digital jewel]

nice memory

[tired oxide]

As there is an AG for NKG%

If we copy the tech there we could go down to 1% locked out. We can get up to 4 masks which seem to give bonus percent

So we can negate doing some lengthy tasks with what is currently written in 112% AG

[patent needle]

yeah looking at 100% for comparison, I think source is required for 112%

because otherwise 100% could just dupe mask shards to 100%

so I guess you can't use godhome mms for 112?

[digital jewel]

also yeah source requirement has been the rule

[tired oxide]

So I'm a noob but source requirement means?

[digital jewel]

so you can dupe shards but you can't get more than 4% total from masks or 3% from vessels etc

[tired oxide]

Thank you XD

[digital jewel]

basically you need to gain your % from the original source that would provide it

[tired oxide]

Ok so if we want 112 godhome mms we need to figure out how to do grim...

[digital jewel]

yeah

we could have no source requirement is like a misc cat or something? but the normal 112/106/100 are source requirement

[patent needle]

would it be more correct to say that you can still get extra % from dupes, but it doesn't count towards the category goal (so you could theoretically get extra masks for safety and end at 116%)

[digital jewel]

uhh yeah I guess so

[hearty adder]

The closest option would just be having a 1432 mms max% cat, but I dunno how many people would run that

[digital jewel]

at least for me when I found out you couldn't get the full 112 it kinda killed the idea for me

I'm a bit of a purist though

[true palm]

pantheon counts BUT you have to beat the boss first to unlock them in the pantheon

actually for any boss that counts as a percent completion you need to beat them

[tired oxide]

Godhome saves have all of them don't they?

[true palm]

i believe so

[tired oxide]

I really want to figure out a way to do it still

[hearty adder]

?saves

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[hearty adder]

don't mind me

[dry sluice]

Having no source requirement would be extremely 🥴 for early patches, you would juat get the same thing 100 times

[grizzled maple]

it would be a lot easier to help if you recorded

which patch are you doing?

and which method?

there's like 30 different epogos

[true palm]

current patch?

so panta pogo is really tough

comfy pogo is much easier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYsRWyHjcmM

[grizzled maple]

yeah i dont recommend panta pogo

do comfy pogo or vsync pogo

vsync is in resources and requires that your monitor refresh rate be 60

[true palm]

vsync pogo is the easiest but you lose some time to having to menu

[grizzled maple]

This one requires more soul collection so it's a trade off

[true palm]

comfy pogo is actually a lot easier than panta pogo

[grizzled maple]

I haven't personally done it so I'll let others help if you decide to go that way

[true palm]

when you're learning i recommend the 3 fireball method

[grizzled maple]

basically it uses fireballs and dash to airstall and position the spore correctly

it's apparently very lenient

[true palm]

personally vsync pogo is the easiest, but you lose time to menuing, especially if you dont want to do mantis pogo with vsync on

[grizzled maple]

It's only 2-3 seconds to the menu for a really safe epogo

and that 2-3 seconds is collective for both menus

[true palm]

all in all, any method that allows you to epogo the first try is the fastest method for you

or even epogo at all

[grizzled maple]

Comfy pogo is a similar speed because you need to do top row in owen wilson room for the extra soul

so vsync is still on the table

[true palm]

if you can't get comfy pogo down, recommend also trying out vsync (think emray has a tutorial in resources for that one)

vsync does require a 60hz refresh rate (heard its possible at 144 but really tight)

[grizzled maple]

vali is the only person in the community who believes 144 is reasonable

[true palm]

but dont feel bad about current patch epogo, its arguably the hardest skip of any major category

if you're struggling with keyboard fire ball skips, check out the socd cleaner in resources

basically, it lets you override inputs with other ones (ie if you tap left while holding right, you turn around left for a quick second instead of staying still)

and if you ever feel bad about current patch epogo, you can watch any current patch runner and you'll see a lot of runs die then and there

nothing will make the skip easy, and at the end of the day, if thats whats holding you back from doing a run, i recommend finishing a run without epogo and then adding it in later

[low bramble]

in my experience, comfypogo is easier than vsync as well

[grizzled maple]

vsync is really easy to me, but thats because i worked it down to a science. so if you go that route, just ask me and i'll help you get it

[north hemlock]

i feel like this could potentially be faster than the 1.2.2.1 explosion pogo, but i dont have a timer so i dunno

[north hemlock]

only thing i could see going wrong with this is soul collection possibly being a time loss if even a problem

[dreamy bough]

there is a (probably) faster version for 1221 epogo where you dash into the sporg to make it explode, then pogo the explosion. The explosion happens faster, you don't have to collect soul or wait for the sporg to start shaking around before pogoing it. It's called ouipogo

[north hemlock]

a

[hearty adder]

More people should use ouipogo, use your 1221 privileges for something

[north hemlock]

mac not having livesplit is still depressing for me

[old obsidian]

code your own

[north hemlock]

wait thats a thing

[frank obsidian]

A speedrun doesnt have to be good to count, right?

lol

[frank cobalt]

wrt to the vsync vs. other epogo methods on current patch - it's also important to note that your monitor's refresh rate plays a role as well

for example, my monitor is 165hz (and no I'm not lowering it), so vsync epogo probably wouldn't even work for me.

[frank obsidian]

I hope my speedrun isnt denied on the basis of it froze during cutscenes

[frank cobalt]

eh... how badly?

and for how long?

[frank obsidian]

because that was on account of HK+TwitchStudio=99-100% CPU

[frank obsidian]

Bad. Usually from the first second of the cutscene to the last 3ish seconds. You can hear the sound splutter and cut out too.

The thing is besides getting a better computer, I cant do anything so I really hope it doesnt get declined bc of that

Generally whenever I stream HK, through Discord or Twitch or something else, the cutscenes kind of die

Ive tried

Its just the large cpu load

I have one but it also skyrockets during HK+stream

[jagged vault]

just record insteadd

and upload to youtube or something

as long as the video is hosted permanently

[frank obsidian]

Good idea. But does this mean the run with the lag is going to be denied?

[jagged vault]

it depends. i can't speak for the mods

[frank obsidian]

Also space is an issue, Im already low on space, IDK if I can film a 24 min video

Thats like over 1gb of space

I have like this much space

[jagged vault]

simply go even faster than ever before to save storage

[grand elm]

lower your time

[frank obsidian]

[hot latch]

I have a similar issue as i have a sad laptop, I have gotten the cpu load off of some other stuff and can record at a good resolution but with 10fps

[frank obsidian]

How do i know if my run is accepted or not? Like where does the notif go?

[hot latch]

You have to look into every option and see what might take load of cpu the most, but it might work if you stretch it enough

[formal bough]

You can check on speedrun.com and there would be a notification if it was approved or rejected

[frank obsidian]

EXTERNAL HARD DRIVE peepoArrive

I put random stuff on the EHD, and then have space to record the speedrun, and then once i upload the speedrun to YT i can delete it off my CPU since its permanently on YT

Unless YT as a company shuts down and blows up all their servers

No IK how computers work lol

Blue said just record it and upload it to YT

but i said low storage space

But i can make more storage space by moving stuff to an external hard drive, so i can record the speedrun

when i said "delete it off my CPU" i meant computer

like an abbreviation

[formal bough]

It's discussing how to record the speedrun and deal with lag

[frank obsidian]

Were talking about how i can record my speedrun without the game freezing at all the cutscenes

Blue was like just go faster to use less storage

It is?

[true palm]

if ur low space lower the resolution and fps

[frank obsidian]

Imma just do my EHD plan, I think it should work. If it doesnt, ill try that.

[uneven pike]

Can we have a Pure Nail speedrun where you get it as fast as possible? It seems like that would be fun to run/watch

[true palm]

if you and two other people run it, you can suggest it for the boards

[uneven pike]

no it doesnt

is that 2 people running it?

[true palm]

happy couple is get pure nail and then let nailsmith live and see him in sheos iirc

[uneven pike]

thats like the same thing tho

you need dash, heart, and claw anyways so theres no reason to have 2 runs

[frank obsidian]

Elderbug%

[uneven pike]

yeah but happy couple% doesnt exist

[true palm]

point being if you run it you can get it on the boards

[uneven pike]

yeah

[true palm]

assuming you can get another person as well

[uneven pike]

i wanted to get it on the boards

[ionic cargo]

just becuase it isnt on src boards doesnt mean it doesnt exist

[frank obsidian]

AnyRad%

doesnt exist^

imagine tho

[true palm]

any rads a mod

[uneven pike]

actually ynow what

[formal bough]

That is not a constructive comment tbh, just kind of memeing around which should not be happening in #speedrunning

[frank obsidian]

sorry...

[uneven pike]

ill put a 20$ bounty on the fastest happy couple speedrun time by april 10th

[frank obsidian]

Is Menderbug% a thing?

[uneven pike]

not on the leaderboards

[true palm]

check the category extensions

it is on the boards

[uneven pike]

oh it is now?

[ionic cargo]

yes it is

kp+rng

[uneven pike]

where?

im confused

[true palm]

https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes/Kings_Pass

[uneven pike]

ahok

[true palm]

wr gets it first try

so the category is basically have a frame perfect kings pass 200 times in a row and hope you get it

[uneven pike]

its 50 times in a row but ok

2%

[true palm]

1/4 softfall chance

[frank obsidian]

Well how do you kill Menderbug without spells?

[uneven pike]

oh

[true palm]

pause buffering

[uneven pike]

still, on the note of happycouple%, fastest time DM'd to me gets 20$ in steam moneys

by april 10th

[stark birch]

will you accept purity > happy couple like a cultured individual?

[frank obsidian]

no

[uneven pike]

no

[true palm]

you could probably post it on category extension forums, it seems like the most appropriate place to advertise it

[uneven pike]

ok

[true palm]

https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes/forum

[stark birch]

it's been a thing for a while there are several runs

[uneven pike]

link me that?

[stark birch]

I've run purity, em and math have run happy couple iirc?

it just hasn't had enough consolidated interest for a board

[true palm]

the point of a category isnt just enough initial runs, but overall pursuit in developing the categories limits

[uneven pike]

which is why i think happycouple% would be dope

[true palm]

hence why meme runs like low% te haven't had any rules adjusted for them, because the category isnt suitable to be on the boards in its current state

[uneven pike]

wdym its not on the boards?

[frank obsidian]

LOw% TE is insane.

[uneven pike]

its in catagory extensions isnt it?

[true palm]

in order for a run to even be considered for the boards, the timer cannot be paused

[frank obsidian]

You spend like 48 hours in one room

[uneven pike]

ok then

[true palm]

low% te is and will most likely never be on the boards due to 1) length 2) unlikely to be repeatedly ran/solved 3) lack of runners

[stark birch]

which is not to say there is no value in showcase/challenge runs, eyeing clawless shade cloak

[frank obsidian]

45 hours?

[true palm]

similarly, low% current patch is one of the only major categories to not have its own separate board due to the fact it has 3 runs, and there have been strats developed to shave 4 minutes off record, yet it has never been ran

[true palm]

the time went down due to the discovery of a collo quit out glitch, allowing you to get gpz essence

[formal bough]

yeah you generally don't create splits/new cats that won't be run

[vague jolt]

Wait is that a glitch?

[true palm]

glitch/exploit

[vague jolt]

I assumed it was intended behaviour

[true palm]

certainly not intended

[vague jolt]

IDK I also assumed that the CG1 sleep kill was intended, what do I know

[stark birch]

the fact that % updates on the pickup makes sense, I don't think they assumed anyone would quit out before getting the shiny lol. Call it an exploit maybe

[true palm]

i'd assume beating the collo, and having after effects of beating the collo, would award you the percent, but that is not what happens and seemed to be an exploit to me

[frank obsidian]

ooooh i didnt know dat

[uneven pike]

https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes/thread/arl3q

[true palm]

the point still remains, theres a lot of reasons that there aren't a million meme categories on the boards. as it stands, verification is volunteer work, and it takes time and energy to maintain the boards. Over cluttering the extensions page with meme categories is something we'd like to avoid. We're very lucky as a game to have as many categories and runners as we do

[uneven pike]

There

its on the forums now

[true palm]

anybody who follows the extensions page will get a notification, so your thread will be looked at, in the mean time, it would help if you could get ahold of emrays notes and attach them as well

[uneven pike]

@grizzled maple see above message

[true palm]

you might also find it on their youtube (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCd5p0u1QCj9KaPY_PMGibFw)

[uneven pike]

theres not anything up

on the happycouple speedrun

[stark birch]

yeah I went looking for the time a while back to document and it seems the video evaporated

[frank obsidian]

sorry wrong chat

[grizzled maple]

Why was I pinged?

I'm not following and not sure why I'm relevant

[uneven pike]

somebody said you ran a lot of happy couple

[grizzled maple]

I did one happy couple run which i forgot to highlight and its gone now. I did route it though

It's largely based on the kill nailsmith route used in all achievements so that's usually where I direct people who ask about it

Just some different grubs really

[jagged vault]

i ran it as well

i might have the highlight

[stark birch]

do either of you recall your times?

[jagged vault]

an hour 40 ish i think

either that or like 2 hours 20

i don't remember

i do remember my route sucked

and i sucked

[uneven pike]

if you have the highlight could you post it in the replies to my post?

[jagged vault]

sorry, i do not seem to have it

might run it again soon with my 112 knowledge i have know

because i love nailsmith and want him to be happy with the love of his life

[grand elm]

e o

[vague jolt]

Out of curiosity do you remember which route you took? I'm wondering specifically whether you got dive or not - I think that's probably the most interesting question wrt the routing

Actually, does the kill the nailsmith in all achievements need dive? At least it needs grimm (IIRC) so that probably just routes it for you

[uneven pike]

why does it need grimm?

[vague jolt]

Because in all achievements, you have to do a run that banishes and a run that kills nkg in the tent

[uneven pike]

oh yeah

[true palm]

all achievements has to get all the two option achievements

[vague jolt]

Whereas that isn't an issue in happy couple, so you don't have to kill grimmkin

[frank obsidian]

If im doing a speedrun and i have to pause the game to do something (like help my cat down from the top of the fridge ) does that count towards my time?

[formal bough]

yes

[uneven pike]

yes

[strange gale]

aaaa

guys

help

[frank obsidian]

When the cat goes on the fridge and it kills your speedrun

[hot latch]

You good Kizo?

[formal bough]

is this help that goes in #hk-help ?

[strange gale]

i wanna downpatch and when i type dotnet DepotDownloader.dll -app 367520 -depot 367521 -manifest 648876203478229944 -username kizo, it doesnt let me type in my password

[kind flume]

what happens exactly? sometimes passwords just don't show when you write them

not sure about steam console tbh though

[strange gale]

im not doing it on steam

[dreamy bough]

the command (according to the guide) needs you to put dotnet DepotDownloader.dll -app 367520 -depot 367521 -manifest <manifest> -username <username> -password <password>, you did do the password thing right?

[strange gale]

it says enter your pasword and it doesnt show up

[dreamy bough]

oh that might be normal, type and press enter?

[strange gale]

when i try to do -password (password) its says wrong password

[kind flume]

it still works then probably, just doesn't show (for security reasons)

[formal bough]

If you mean it says:
Password:?
Then it doesn't show what you are typing there for security reasons

[strange gale]

so i just type it with invisible pen and click enter?

[kind flume]

yeah

[strange gale]

ight

[crimson sphinx]

anybody know how to kill elder baldur with longnail

i know its really really hard but im obsessed with the idea

[frank obsidian]

Are you sure you want to do that

[formal bough]

here is an example

https://clips.twitch.tv/BelovedChillyPandaKippa-cAajMNShuenYKFLy

[bleak jungle]

Has anybody routed a Quirrel/Witness%?

[frank obsidian]

Although that does raise an interesting question: How do you get to Salubra without the dash?

[bleak jungle]

Or a all Quirrel Dialogue %?

[crimson sphinx]

Yes

[crimson sphinx]

already did

shade skip

[frank obsidian]

ah

[crimson sphinx]

I at least want to take a good crack at it

worst comes to worst I can farm up geo and get dream sheild because apparently thats slightly easier

[kind flume]

60fps helps with long nail baldur (vsync on)

[strange gale]

InvalidPassword still even though i logged in with that password a minute ago 😦

[formal bough]

Double check username as well?

[crimson sphinx]

well Ig I should ask if its even possible on switch

[formal bough]

yeah it would be. Want to record so that the experienced longnailers could say where you are off?

[kind flume]

yeah, switch has 60fps by default

[frank obsidian]

I mean for me personally, it would be harder to input correctly

[crimson sphinx]

ugh idk how

[sharp glacier]

I’m just new to speed running hk as I have 112 can u guys guide me

[formal bough]

Chec the pins whis

[sharp glacier]

Ok

Where are the pins bruh

[haughty fossil]

hi im a semi experienced longnail baldurer

top right

[frank obsidian]

[crimson sphinx]

is there any recordings of longnailing baldur?

[formal bough]

this

[haughty fossil]

check speedrun.com/hkmeme too, look for spelless

[frank obsidian]

in the top right , its the thumbtack thingy

[sharp glacier]

Lol

[crimson sphinx]

that would be super helpful I can only find one of somebody doing it with dreamshield

[hallow orchid]

all the top spell-less runs do longnail baldur

[haughty fossil]

wrong, quack is faster than me and does dreamshield

[hallow orchid]

wdym quack does longnail now

[frank obsidian]

What else would they do?

[formal bough]

this is a long nail baldur fury clip, like insanly fast

[haughty fossil]

wait what

[dreamy bough]

you are typing your steam password, not your computer password, right? Checking

[haughty fossil]

when

[dreamy bough]

quack does longnail

recently

[crimson sphinx]

oh thanks I didn't even realize you were responding to me

[haughty fossil]

don't enter the password as an argument and enter it when it tells you instead

so remove the -password <pw> from the command

some characters break up the password field, and if they're in your password they will do that

[strange gale]

yes

[crimson sphinx]

whats the most common problem when doing this

is it the timing of the pause

or the timing of the attack

like does the attack need to be timed

[strange gale]

IT FINALLY WORKED

[crimson sphinx]

VDUIASG

[strange gale]

thanks guys

[crimson sphinx]

I GOT ONE

11 more to go baby

[dreamy bough]

kizo, what fixed it? For future reference for others that might have a problem

and gratz - hope you enjoy the patch :)

[true palm]

its usually where you pause from what i found

[haughty fossil]

tip: always slash twice when you unpause, you can get 2 hits for the price of one

[stark birch]

yes, check homothety's vods on twitch

also yeah jamie smh get with the longnail program

[strange gale]

im justt a dumbass

i was putting in the wrong username...

[haughty fossil]

im sorry quack i thought you said you would never do it, then i remembered that was rhino

[dreamy bough]

ha, that happens

[strange gale]

and my thing just stopped downloading at 20%

[true palm]

this is the detail i use for reference

that little dot

[haughty fossil]

its likely donwnloading one of the larger files, just be patient

[crimson sphinx]

yeah its probably just luck tbh

I just gotta try to hit that perfect spot I can't really time it that well humanly

[haughty fossil]

it feels like it sometimes, but there's definitely improvement

[crimson sphinx]

thats probably true

[stark birch]

it is hell! and it's even worse when you consider that you have to do any% without spells for 40-50 minutes after that

[haughty fossil]

you wanna pause so early there's no movement of the baldur during the pause screen

[stark birch]

that said everyone should run it it's a great category

[true palm]

its definitely rough to do in a run, i dont mind it in randos

[crimson sphinx]

thats the part I want to get to

[stark birch]

you say that now, once you can get to spelless uumuu you will want to go back to the baldur grind I stg

[true palm]

i recommend you check the rest of the run before you commit fully to baldur

[crimson sphinx]

I mean who cares

getting to greenpath without getting the spell is enough for me

[true palm]

i for one committed to a category with a hard skip and sunken cause fallacy is why i keep running it

[crimson sphinx]

I don't really think a spell-less run could be really that hard anyway if anything Id like the little bit of challenge

im not trying to speedrun people just told me you guys knew how to do this I should probably stop spamming the chat

with stuff other than the trick

[stark birch]

it's not that hard to run except for longnail baldurs which is a bullshit myth designed to depress you but it is hard to optimize as a speedrun. If you want it as a challenge run alone, go for it, it's a ton of fun

[hearty adder]

I'd argue that a good chunk of skips are skill and not rng/luck

[crimson sphinx]

how far can you get without getting dash

[haughty fossil]

quack how long was your pb's baldur kill? want to know how long i should practice

the whole game

consider watching runs on speedrun.com, they're very entertaining most of the time

[last inlet]

the whole game

[crimson sphinx]

cool

ill do that too

(if I get to it)

you need claw tho right

[frank obsidian]

holy shit really?! I never knew that, I thought u had to have it!

[stark birch]

my 51:10 entered gpath at 12:56

[true palm]

if you're interested in low% (the category that runs dashless) you should check out my skip guide on speedrun.com

doesnt cover the route but covers every skip we do

[crimson sphinx]

Id rather figure as much out for myself I just wanna know if its possible at all

ill come here if I get stuck (like I did with this)

or I mean just look at the guide

[true palm]

i mean you're unlikely to figure it out naturally, but low% gets 11% total

the guide is oriented for speedruns and not challenge runs

[crimson sphinx]

probably not gonna do like all low% I just want to take the weirdest path through the game possible

[haughty fossil]

?srpsa in that case

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[crimson sphinx]

alright Ill go bye bye and grind sorry

thanks for the help

[crisp dome]

So I'm still kinda new to speedrunning in general. Though my autosplits seem to be borked

In particular, trap bench didn't trigger when it should have and the timer didn't stop when THK was defeated

[stiff delta]

Send pic of autosplits?

[dreamy bough]

trap bench is supposed to trigger when you break free i believe, right?

timer stops not when thk is defeated, but about 20s after

first dark frame after absorbing them iirc

[haughty fossil]

(timer will also not stop if you are not on the last split iirc)

[crisp dome]

Mantis Claw and Gruz Mother sometimes get mixed up as well

[true palm]

if you wouldnt mind sending your splits in a format like this we can help a lot

[hearty adder]

Mantis claw and gruz mother getting mixed up is a classic

[stiff delta]

Yea we need to see the autosplits

Not just the splits

[crisp dome]

Sorry

[haughty fossil]

nothing wrong here

[stiff delta]

huh

Neat

[dreamy bough]

you need the end triggering autosplit, no?

[haughty fossil]

no

[stiff delta]

no

[dreamy bough]

huh. TIL

[stiff delta]

dangit jamie

[hearty adder]

Would ordered splits do anything?

[haughty fossil]

end-triggering autosplit is for runs not ending on a game ending

[true palm]

end triggering isnt necessary unless you're running something like gh% or something that ends on not beating the game

[haughty fossil]

ordered splits should be used basically all the time fwiw

[digital jewel]

unordered splits might be a little messed up with the latest livesplit update tbh

just select ordered

[true palm]

ordered splits are less cpu intensive, split more accurately, and in your case since autosplits are correct should just be checked

[haughty fossil]

some splits don't work without it, and it's more performant/accurate too

[crisp dome]

Still pretty terrible at this, so was a 3+hr run lmao

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/964095534

but can see there it doesn't split when it should

[haughty fossil]

you weren't on the final split

[true palm]

herrah never split

[haughty fossil]

oh you went deepnest route

with qg split

[true palm]

ah

[haughty fossil]

so never entered qg so you missed a split

[crisp dome]

oh

i've got the big dumb

[haughty fossil]

if you're planning on always taking deepnest route, you can split on deepnest spa. otherwise just press numpad2 to skip to the next split if this happens

[true palm]

i use this personally for deepnest route

but you can also split on spa

[crisp dome]

Don't think I noticed. Flicking through the powerpoint and always get lost in deepnest haha

[grand elm]

also if you go deepnest route you can grab spore shroom along the way

[formal bough]

this is 1221

[grand elm]

nevermind then

[formal bough]

spore shroom isn't broken on 1221

[haughty fossil]

powerpoint for 1221?

[hearty adder]

just run on cp, ez

[haughty fossil]

fwiw the current patch guide isn't as high quality as some other guides out there

[true palm]

the powerpoint, made by a cutie, is for current patch

would recommend fireb0rns video series for 1221

[haughty fossil]

wait this is on cp

[true palm]

oh it is

[grand elm]

then you can go for the lever skip in spire instead of killing the husk guard

[crisp dome]

Yeah, I'm playing on current patch.

[grand elm]

oh okay then spore shroom it is

[true palm]

i see, then spore shroom is something you could look into if you wanted

but is not necessary and is slower

its signficantly easier though, so if you're dying to thk its faster

[grand elm]

i mean the deepnest route is slower as a whole

but the spore shroom doesn't lose too much time and is much much more beginner friendly

[formal bough]

oh it is cp why do your splits say any% 1221

but yeah get spore shroom then

[true palm]

i mean ideally, even if you're going deepnest route, you'd want to transition to QG, its better to not have to learn a different fight entirely

[crisp dome]

I just downloaded the split from somewhere and wiped them lol

probably where i went wrong

[true palm]

set up your own splits (ask insomnia, borrowed mine and they were messed up) unless its like 112 or something long

[crisp dome]

Doesn't it need to be a set order to be submitted?

or am i dumb

[true palm]

no you can use whatever splits you want

[dreamy bough]

no, you technically don't need any splits

[true palm]

splits exist to compare from run to run

[dreamy bough]

i, being a subsplit addict, have waayyyyyy too many splits compared to anyone

[grand elm]

those are the splits i use with deepnest route

[dreamy bough]

(i do recommend subsplits btw they're neat :3)

[formal bough]

splits are for yourself. All you need is the stopping capabilities

[hallow orchid]

when you run as many meme categories as I do you start asking for splits it's exhausting making new ones

and I don't even run as many memes as e.g. quack

[dreamy bough]

tbf quack makes his memes

[true palm]

but subsplits give messed up golds so if you're interested in comsobs and really grinding a category out recommend staying on standardized ones until you know 100% what you're doing is fast

[crisp dome]

Is there a reason to go for sporeshroom?

[true palm]

like i was super slow on low%, and being able to see this is what time i have in this split and this is what time i could have showed me where to practice

[crisp dome]

is it not just a waste of time?

I barely used the charm on my main savefile

[grand elm]

on current patch it destroys the hollow knight no yoke

[true palm]

it hits all of thks hitboxes simultaenously, doing infinitely more damage than shaman stone

[crisp dome]

oh

[grand elm]

you can heal and do sick damage

[haughty fossil]

it's like 150 damage per shroom compared to 20 per fireball

[formal bough]

https://www.twitch.tv/mathulu/clip/SarcasticHelplessSpaghettiPRChase-RIORAiLSXiwZVnYN

very fast

[grand elm]

since you seem to struggle with the fight a lot this is going to save you a lot of time

[haughty fossil]

and 5 per nail hit

[true palm]

its quite disgusting, and almost made cp deepnest faster

[crisp dome]

9 cus i'm bad and need the up lmao

[true palm]

also current patch thk is a bully, and spore shroom hits different

[crisp dome]

yeah I cut through THK on my savefile but he doesn't fuck about when you got barely any upgrades

[frank obsidian]

That's insane

the thing

[crisp dome]

Just gonna wipe and start fresh - so this is the play for deepnest?

[grand elm]

ye

[crisp dome]

pog

[jagged vault]

something you could do is remove the deepnest split entirely, so that when you switch to QG route you don't have to change the autosplits and stuff

[frank obsidian]

Imagine being smart enough to use livesplit, couldnt be me (i m dumb)

[jagged vault]

but that's up to you

[crisp dome]

you need to go to deepnest anyway to get herrah though?

[frank obsidian]

People go thru Queen's GArdens sosmetimes

sometimes*

[jagged vault]

oh, i meant which way you go to get to beast's den

whether you do deepnest or Queen's Gardens route

QG route is optimal, but much harder

[formal bough]

QG route goes through qg to enter depenest which is faster

and deepnest route enters deepenst through fungal waste

[frank obsidian]

But you need to do QGA

[jagged vault]

saves around 25 seconds in current patch

[crisp dome]

I need to save 2hrs so im good

Think the deepnest route would be better for me anyway so I can get spore shroom since its supposed to be busted

[frank obsidian]

My cat got stuck on top of the fridge and i had to pause and go help him, and it destroyed my pb pace any% run

[jagged vault]

you already said this

[frank obsidian]

it happened again

[jagged vault]

oh lol

rip

[old obsidian]

lmao

cats are weird

[frank obsidian]

he likes it up there because its warm and cozy but he CANT GET DOWN (he can but he doesnt realize it lol) so he just meows for help unitl someone helps him

[hearty adder]

pb paces getting lost due to things completely unrelated to your run is just part of life

[old obsidian]

that's why I dont have a life

[dreamy bough]

making another warm and cozy place, putting stuff on top of fridge that he can't easily push, all solutions

[frank obsidian]

Assuming no more cat fridge, should I route in Shade Soul to my any% run? (CP) I feel like I die so much to WK, that it might be worth it

[grand elm]

make sure your cat stays near you at all times when you play for moral support

no

it'd require you to enter cpeak before the fight to get the key

and collect an extre 900 geo

not worth it

[crisp dome]

Just put a box up there and then they'll eventually sleep

[frank obsidian]

The first suggestion: There are like, 12 different, arguably more cozy spots in the house. Suggestion 2: Might work actually

[grand elm]

what could be worth it is to grab an extra relic above mantis village then go upgrade your nail to +1
it loses time ofc, but if you manage to get good at an easier watcher knights then eventually you'll be able to drop the upgrade and still do well

[stray kestrel]

there's a route for a 1221 shade soul any% route in #any-percent-nmg i think

[crisp dome]

what is this 1221?

[grand elm]

a different patch

[frank obsidian]

The zoomies patch

[crisp dome]

ah

[grand elm]

on which you can lever skip to shade soul

[crisp dome]

That the one where its easy to menu drop

[grand elm]

ye

[frank obsidian]

IDK how to downpatch and im scared, it seems risky.

[jagged vault]

the patch in which runs are done optimally in NMG categories

due to different skips, strategies and glitches that were later patched

[crisp dome]

I need to save more time elsewhere anyway before doing all the micro optimisations

so current patch it is for me

[grand elm]

why would they patch inventory dropping 😔

[jagged vault]

the downpatching guide on speedrun.com is in depth and reliable

[grand elm]

anyway peach they are two different categories

[crisp dome]

I think there's a mod to add it into current patch but it's not allowed

[grand elm]

current patch has its own leaderboard

[crisp dome]

yeah i seen

[grand elm]

ye, the qol mod

[jagged vault]

current patch has it's own leaderboards to provide even competition for runners that use that

[frank obsidian]

I mean comparably, inv drop is a pretty smol timesave compared to some other ones

[grand elm]

no

[jagged vault]

it triggers upon starting a new game

if you've set it up properly

[dreamy bough]

technically on kp starting/godhome cutscene (for godseeker mode) i believe?

[frank obsidian]

I did 112 APB speedrun, only 174 hrs, 23 mins 13 sec!

[stiff delta]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[grand elm]

i hope nobody will have to verify that hehe

[hearty adder]

What do you mean?

[civic hamlet]

um, i finally finished a run with livesplit open but it just never split at herrah or HK

[old obsidian]

you technically only need a split at the beginning and end anyway

[civic hamlet]

i dont know what went wrong tho

[old obsidian]

oh

[jagged vault]

yeah splits are only about comparing against yourself

[grand elm]

did you import an autosplitter with the qg route and went to deepnest ?

[civic hamlet]

AH yeah...

thats probly it

[hearty adder]

if you recorded it, it could probably get retimed

[grand elm]

then that's why, it's always going to be one split behind

[civic hamlet]

i did record it

[jagged vault]

but not in loadless time unfortunately

the mods would only be able to recover the Real Time timing of your run

[hearty adder]

If their timer was correctly displaying loadless time despite not splitting, wouldn't it still be loadless?

[grand elm]

^

[civic hamlet]

yeah my timer never broke, just never wanted to split

[jagged vault]

as long as it stopped at the correct time

but since the THK split never split, i take it the timer never stopped?

[civic hamlet]

my timer kept going after the credits on the title screen, but i did record it all, was worried about it

[dreamy bough]

yeah, retiming should be doable then i think

[crisp dome]

How do you setup livesplit for loadless?

I assumed it would just be baked in

[hearty adder]

autosplitter gives you loadless time

[civic hamlet]

what should the autosplitter be instead of queens gardens if i go the deepnest route instead

[crisp dome]

I use autosplitter but the timer still runs regardless

[hearty adder]

deepnest spa

[civic hamlet]

ah, in place of qg?

[hearty adder]

are you comparing to real time or in-game time?

right click on livesplit and go to "compare against..."

[grand elm]

straight up remove the qg split

[crisp dome]

Ah, i see the option

mb

[grand elm]

and it'll work just fine if you go with the deepnest route

[dreamy bough]

you also need at least one autosplit i believe

[hearty adder]

If you do deepnest route you'd never trigger the QG autosplit, so yes

[civic hamlet]

good news is the trap bench did split tho so really just dont have herrah or hk

[hearty adder]

after fixing that everything should be ok then

if you want you can submit this run and it will be retimed, or just record another run with fixed autosplit and submit that one

[civic hamlet]

if i can't get a better run today, i'll submit this one

thank you all for the help ^~^

[hearty adder]

If you need more help, feel free to ask here again

[civic hamlet]

because in that run i was scared of the timer being weird and i let it go through credits and back to title, do i only crop the run to the point when the HK ending cutscene starts?

[hearty adder]

If you wanna be 100% sure, crop it until credits start

[civic hamlet]

okay,

[hearty adder]

or like, at some random point in the cutscene

[civic hamlet]

thanks again <3

[hearty adder]

when you either buy them or pick them up

The last grimmchild upgrade splits after NKG's death cutscene iirc

other charms are pretty straightforward iirc

[strange gale]

Is it possible to play 1.2.2.1 version of hollow knight on pc with switch controler becouse i can use big picture mode when i play the newest version but i cant change the controls for the older version?

[hearty adder]

Yeah, joy2key - basically it will bind your controller inputs to keyboard

[strange gale]

oh i see thanks

do i need to pay for it?

[dreamy bough]

also for when submitting your screen, at the start, be sure to show the starting screen

it shows if you have any mods on or not, it's needed for verif afaik

[hearty adder]

it's 100% free

[civic hamlet]

Im so angry, just realized my key visualizer wasnt even WORKING on my run

just kinda there nothing ever lights up

Visual paperweight lol

[hallow orchid]

so first of all you can go around instead of doing epogo, it's only about 30s slower

second, which epogo are you trying?

(related to that, which patch are you on?)

I assume you've seen the fireball version (usually called comfypogo) - I think that's a lot easier than vsync

but yeah if you fail it, just go around, it's not that bad

until comfypogo was found I didn't do epogo in a single one of my pbs and I run current patch almost exclusively lol

yeah just go around until the 30s becomes your biggest time save

[stray kestrel]

I believe in debug mode you can slow the game down to make it easier to learn the inputs

[hallow orchid]

I think that's a separate mod mayo? But there is a mod that does that

[hearty adder]

nah, debugmod can also slow stuff down

If you can't wrap your head around epogo right now, it'll become easier as you get more general game experience and you get used to handling stuff with awkward inputs like that

di?

[hardy crown]

I don't think that's a thing in this game.

[hearty adder]

So what you're saying is that you instinctively react in a way that isn't really applicable to this game?

[somber cedar]

what do I download to get the current DebugMod (1.2.2.1)? The README just says "the contents of this zip" https://github.com/cerpintext/DebugMod

[hardy crown]

I'm like 99% sure that holding an input after you've been hit does not change the amount or direction of the knockback you take.

[last inlet]

download debugmod.dll (might be in a zip)

[digital jewel]

it's pinned in #resources

[somber cedar]

lol, yes, but download from where

[last inlet]

the github

[hearty adder]

If anything the only thing holding a direction while getting hit does is make you move as soon as the hit animation is over

[hardy crown]

Well, if you can bring some verifiable, measureable data on it, I'd be happy to change my mind.

[somber cedar]

duh, I'm an idiot, thank you. I expected it to be on GitHub for some reason

[last inlet]

ah shit yeah mb it's just in resources

sry

[dry sluice]

di isn't a thing in HK

[hearty adder]

Hey, while bringing up game behavior you think hasn't been explored yet is good, it'd be best to treat the people who have been running the game for a while with some respect

[hardy crown]

You realize that you're the one claiming DI is a thing in HK? It's on you to prove that, not on me to prove it doesn't.

[dry sluice]

knockback distance only depends on framerate

[hardy crown]

This sounds more like a case of confirmation bias than DI to me.

[hearty adder]

If your problem is that you aren't getting high enough with the damage boost, then you were probably too low when the explosion went off

[dreamy bough]

emray was mentionning knockback direction iirc, not speed

[hearty adder]

it's possible you're conflating DI with knockback distance

[haughty fossil]

the knockback angle has DI, not the distance iirc

after you've been hit there is no DI though

[shut beacon]

sorry, whats dl ?

ahh thanks

[haughty fossil]

basically holding a direction while getting hit doing something different to just being neutral

in hk's case, the knockback becomes a little flatter and you don't get quite as much heght

[true palm]

out of curiosity, just want to confirm your monitor refresh rate is 60 HZ and not 144 HZ, and when you show fps in game you are getting 60 (makes a huge difference for vsync pogo)

as has been stated earlier, knockback is framerate dependent, and its incredibly difficult to get enough at 144 fps

if you open the steam overlay you can check in game fps as well

in your monitors video settings or the games?

because the game will say 60, but you can have 144 on your monitor

and vsync goes off monitor, not game

the easiest way to check is to use the steam overlay to check in-game fps

in Steam, go to Settings -> In-Game, and there should be an fps counter

default setting is off

so you'll want to change that, boot up Hollow Knight, and you should see an fps counter

[dry sluice]

I don't think this is true either tbh

[haughty fossil]

idk i've never noticed anything to do with it since i've always just held down

em says it exists though

[true palm]

k thats good, glad we double checked

wouldve been miserable trying to do 144

[frank obsidian]

speedrun.com mods i have a question for u: will my run be denied because the game kept freezing during cutscenes? I asked before but someone said they cant speak for the mods.

[true palm]

you can always <@&284848710960021504>

they're more likely to see it that way

[ionic sparrow]

post an example and we can answer that better

[frank obsidian]

oh i didnt want to @ them incase they didnt like pings

[frank obsidian]

should i link the run i submitted?

[ionic sparrow]

sure

[frank obsidian]

ok

[true palm]

link a short clip or timestamp preferably of a freeze

[frank obsidian]

okay

btw the volume was pretty quiet but if you turn it up you can hear it, i tested it

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/963600712

0:56

THK Cutscene freezes

6:52 Dreamer Scene Freezes (Monomon)

12:48 Dreamer Scene Freezes (Herrah)

[haughty fossil]

i think that's a debug quirk right?

idk i could be woozy

[frank obsidian]

21:25 Dreamer Scene Freezes (Lurien)

[true palm]

the audio sounds consistent with the freezes to me, and the fact it only happens during cutscenes seems more like a debug issue to me

[ionic sparrow]

ah insane the vid is only 720p 60 so my internet says no

sad

[frank obsidian]

sorry if that was on my end

[ionic sparrow]

its fine lol

you can change that in recording settings but its ont a big deal

[haughty fossil]

(60fps streaming largely unneccessary for hk but )

[ionic sparrow]

idk i cant watch the video rn cuz my internet is dead

[frank obsidian]

The low volume wont be a problem bc u can just make it louder right? Bc its there, but quiet until the end when i realize my dumbass had the vol low

[true palm]

idk it seems fine to me

in the future you can go through the video with an audio normalizer with like vsdc editor or something free

[frank obsidian]

I can also try to not leave the volume on 5 like a smol brain

lol

[true palm]

i mean runs dont have to be perfect, i somehow managed to accidentally put a green chroma key filter on my game and it still got verified

occasional screen tears like this happened

[frank obsidian]

That looks trippy

[true palm]

outside of greenpath and fungal wastes it wasnt really noticable

but it super hella bothers me to this day

[frank obsidian]

It looks like the void is trying to break thru your computer

[true palm]

and because im inconsistent and wont stop resetting thats my run on the boards to this day

its definitely unpleasant to watch

[frank obsidian]

What is that? I dont recognize the splits

[true palm]

low%

my sob has gotten 8 minutes lower since that run and i still cant pb XD

[frank obsidian]

Rip lol

[true palm]

but one day some day (unless someone else runs it seriously) i'll have rekky in that category

[frank obsidian]

what is rekky

[true palm]

record

[frank obsidian]

nice

[true palm]

i keep throwing runs though, like I had one that was like 20 seconds ahead of record at Crystal Peak and then for some reason i went back to Crystal Peak

and thats the problem with overresetting early game, is you end up choking any good run you get anyway

[frank obsidian]

i usually dont reset

then again i have only ever done 5 runs

[vague oyster]

hi i'm back in this server because watching skurry's all grass% speedrun motivated me to download hollow knight again

[limpid ruin]

ngl, consistent > fixing it suddenly. Although the main thing is clearly hearing the game audio, so as long as there's no music or anything louder than it it should be all find 👍

[true palm]

ie dont have your discord friends screaming 20db louder than the game to the point where verifiers get ear trauma

[true palm]

if you're interested in doing runs, check out the guides on speedrun.com/hollowknight

[haughty fossil]

🙂

[copper walrus]

Hey! How does the trick where you use the menu to cancel landing animations work?

[true palm]

current patch or no?

[haughty fossil]

you have to be on an older patch to open it in midair

[copper walrus]

Ah I see

[true palm]

on current patch you open it as you hit the ground iirc to shorten hardfall animation

[haughty fossil]

you can also open it same frame as you leave a ledge to get a menudrop the whole way through

[true palm]

hardfall animation shortenings good if you go for rng softfall in kings pass, the drop from kings pass to dirtmouth, and in a pinch

but for the most part you'll want to be going for either the frame perfect inventory drops or using a pogo/dash to cancel the hardfall

[copper walrus]

Alright

Thanks

[true palm]

if you have any current patch questions you should look here as well (covers all the differences pretty well) https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/gq0g3

fireb0rns guide is mostly applicable but that powerpoint is your best resource for current patch routing/tricks

[copper walrus]

Ah ok

Thank you

[true palm]

thank jamie, she made it

[copper walrus]

thanks to you as well

Oop

Sorry lol

[hallow orchid]

now it'll be a ghost ping lol

it's not a huge deal though

[haughty fossil]

spooky

wooooooooo ghost ping

[copper walrus]

Lol

[hallow orchid]

Jamie did you update the guide with comfypogo?

[haughty fossil]

i haven't updated the guide with much in a long time 😅

[hallow orchid]

no worries haha it's a lot to upkeep

[haughty fossil]

at this point it's better to completely remake it but tourney is stopping me from doing that rn

[hallow orchid]

yeah don't stress yourself out about it too much

[true palm]

most current patch runners ask about epogo anyway

[hallow orchid]

but given it's a beginner guide I think making a spore shroom route explanation etc is probably worthwhile eventually

[haughty fossil]

math i knew this was about to come up

[hallow orchid]

[true palm]

spore shroom needs an honorable mention

[hallow orchid]

spore shroom needs an honorable mention center stage

[haughty fossil]

i mean i fully support it, just think that you should probably learn the actual fight

[true palm]

but its not faster, and its a completely different fight with spore shroom

[haughty fossil]

even if learning the fight takes 20 years its a fun fight imo

[hallow orchid]

yeah actually learning any% thk is probably worthwhile

[hearty adder]

Sporeshroom is a fun meme, but thk is a fun fight

[haughty fossil]

maybe that's the stockholm syndrome talking tho

[hallow orchid]

however, spore shroom

[copper walrus]

So there isn't a NMG category for Console Runs. I assumed this is because Console versions of the game are automatically current patch and they patched out major glitches. Is that correct?

[haughty fossil]

console ag is possible, just nobody does because there's like 2 glitches possible

[hallow orchid]

yeah there are glitches possible on cp but it's not very popular to run because most are patched

[copper walrus]

I see. That makes sense

[true palm]

the only big glitch on current patch (MMS) is computer only

[dry sluice]

questionable

[hallow orchid]

I mean there's still invincibility

[dry sluice]

^

and float

and a bunch of other shit

[true palm]

but i mean nothing super run changing or fun

[dry sluice]

oob isn't run changing til

[haughty fossil]

and making certain stuff once per quitout is also

and running on console is also

[hallow orchid]

running on console is great, you can get wr in any% with spore shroom

[copper walrus]

I'm gonna be running on switch lol

[hallow orchid]

so I endorse running on switch if that's all you have access too but I am legally obligated to tell you that running this game is both much easier and more satisfying on pc

[true palm]

running on console is great, you can get low% wr by doing it on any non switch console for free

[copper walrus]

I don't think my laptop is good enough to run hollow knight so that's how it's gotta be lol

[copper walrus]

Naturally you'd endorse it. Aren't you the world record holder? Lol

[hallow orchid]

lol as of a few days ago and because of spore shroom memes, but yes

[copper walrus]

Epic

[true palm]

but per contractual reasons, i unfortunately have to inform you that switch input lag is not enjoyable

[copper walrus]

I'm an avid fighting game player and I practice combos and stuff on switch so I'm well aware of how that is lol

[true palm]

aw but you see fire ball skips with input lag are very um

[hallow orchid]

if your laptop can run it at all it may be worthwhile to try to get debug mod for practice there, that's the worst part about console running imo

[true palm]

even if its 30 fps, you will find a lot of value from being able to use savestates and infinite soul alone

not to mention the other variety of tools

[copper walrus]

Man. My laptop always meets all the needed requirements except the graphics

My laptop is actually pretty damn good for not being anywhere near a gaming laptop. But the graphics is always where it's lacking

[frank obsidian]

lol dw it was just game audio

[true palm]

ye ik i listened to some of the video, but it has happened in the past (people don't check the bars in obs and earaches result)

[frank obsidian]

Yoooo Cynicism is comms in speedgaming race!

[desert kiln]

Hey, I'm learning any% nmg, and I'm having a hard time on watcher knights (of course). I can usually just get one fireball and two nail swings before having to dash to the other side when a knight is doing a nail attack. Are there any tips for beating these guys? I can beat thk pretty consistently, and I have to practice uumuu more, but wk are the only big thing stopping me from recording and submitting a run.

[dreamy bough]

are you doing nail fireball animation cancels?

that's necessary to get the three hit patterns

[desert kiln]

I... do not know what that is

[dreamy bough]

(basicly : casting a spell right after nail attack makes the fireball animation replace the nail animation)

[desert kiln]

casting a spell with no soul?

[dreamy bough]

and so you attack faster

erm

[desert kiln]

ah

[dreamy bough]

sorry brain is bad, fixed that x)

[desert kiln]

lol np

so nail fireball whenever possible?

[dreamy bough]

yes, usually pattern (for the watcher using its double slash attack) is nailfireball nail nail dash over

rince and repeat

[desert kiln]

ah ok cool

[dreamy bough]

important also to mention : getting the muscle memory for the height for doubles with vs on their roll attack is very much needed

[desert kiln]

yeah, i almost never get the right height