#speedrunning | Hollow Knight | Page 134

true palm Mar 25, 2021, 4:31 PM

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turning on hitboxes is very helpful forgot to mention, you can do it in debug mod

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not sure the default bind but its under visuals tab if you're on 1221

somber cedar Mar 25, 2021, 4:32 PM

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I'm also a bit pepega at pogoing things, so I basically press down the second I press jump, and keep both pressed until I pogo

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it's not elegant but it removes a point of failure

obtuse oxide Mar 25, 2021, 4:34 PM

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i just tried my first speedrun and got 2 hours and 11 minutes

true palm Mar 25, 2021, 4:35 PM

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pretty pog, what category/patch?

obtuse oxide Mar 25, 2021, 4:35 PM

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latest patch and i did any%

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idk how to get older patches tbh

true palm Mar 25, 2021, 4:36 PM

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not bad, you can send a screenshot of your splits if you want

obtuse oxide Mar 25, 2021, 4:36 PM

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since it was a test run i didnt do any splits but a did screenshot the end screen

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and i have no idea how to use live split

true palm Mar 25, 2021, 4:37 PM

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obtuse oxide idk how to get older patches tbh

theres a downpatching guide on src if you're interested, takes a couple hours at most to setup, and as for livesplit, theres also a guide on src

obtuse oxide Mar 25, 2021, 4:38 PM

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ill check those out

true palm Mar 25, 2021, 4:38 PM

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1221 is faster, is easier to perform the optimal route and skips, but significantly more optimzed, current patch is a little slower, with some harder skips, but has more beginner friendly routes

obtuse oxide Mar 25, 2021, 4:38 PM

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hm

true palm Mar 25, 2021, 4:39 PM

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the big difference on current patch is explosion pogo in mantis village

obtuse oxide Mar 25, 2021, 4:39 PM

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ill try current patch for the beginning until i get most of the movement down

true palm Mar 25, 2021, 4:40 PM

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1221 handles differently, so i recommend you pick one as quickly as possible

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1221 mainly has some more input delay

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if you decide on current patch though, i recommend you get ahold of debug mod for practice (allows you to use savestates, infinite soul, etc.) with the mod installer

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also check out the current patch any% powerpoint on src (its well done, covers all the differences)

obtuse oxide Mar 25, 2021, 4:42 PM

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k thanks for the help!

true palm Mar 25, 2021, 4:42 PM

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no problem, and congrats on your first run

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in game timer can also be a little jank sometimes as well, and livesplit removes loads, so your run was most likely faster than 2 hours

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 4:49 PM

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less than 2 hours for any% is really good

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I still struggle to get under 5 lol

subtle glade Mar 25, 2021, 5:02 PM

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I have a problem, the game randomly decided not to let me wake up with my controller anymore

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After getting vs

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Keyboard works just fine, it's only the controller that's the problem

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And also I'm using debug mod if that could be the problem

true palm Mar 25, 2021, 5:22 PM

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so you woke up with keyboard and the controller still worked?

true palm Mar 25, 2021, 5:22 PM

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subtle glade And also I'm using debug mod if that could be the problem

was this consistent or a one time thing?

digital jewel Mar 25, 2021, 5:23 PM

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are you using joy2key or some other program to map controller to keyboard inputs

formal bough Mar 25, 2021, 6:09 PM

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has toof gotten a blue name yet from this or is my discord just not showing me the blue name

ionic sparrow Mar 25, 2021, 6:10 PM

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fixed

hearty adder Mar 25, 2021, 6:10 PM

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Blue toof grubhappy

frank cobalt Mar 25, 2021, 6:11 PM

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slim tree Mar 25, 2021, 6:31 PM

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Anyone got any tips on how to do WK current patch

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Im struggling to beat them in my speedrun, should I upgrade my nail once to help?

hearty adder Mar 25, 2021, 6:36 PM

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fireb0rn's any% guide has a good section on Watcher Knights. The main difference between 1221 and cp being that vengeful spirit doesn't cover as much distance on cp, so you may want to keep that in mind when firing at them as they roll away

dull lion Mar 25, 2021, 6:36 PM

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Nail upgrade won’t help very much. If you’re going to go off route do shade soul route. If you don’t want to it’s just a really hard fight and you need to practice it a lot

hearty adder Mar 25, 2021, 6:36 PM

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If you're having too much difficulty, getting nail1 would be a good idea, yes

thorn jasper Mar 25, 2021, 6:37 PM

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dull lion Nail upgrade won’t help very much. If you’re going to go off route do shade soul...

shade soul any% on current patch is messed up because you have to do peaks for elegant key before watcher knights

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jamie routed it somewhere

dull lion Mar 25, 2021, 6:37 PM

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Oh right my bad

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But the above comment about nail still stands, nail 1 isn’t really worth

hearty adder Mar 25, 2021, 6:39 PM

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At least the nail1 route doesn't deviate much from regular any%, so it'd be easier to adapt once they feel more confident in their wk fight imo

leaden python Mar 25, 2021, 6:40 PM

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my biggest life achievement is hitting this gamer slash in between in three runs in a row

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 6:49 PM

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thorn jasper jamie routed it somewhere

i routed it *with the note that it was dumb and stupid and nobody should do it
if you need help beating wk, nail1 is the only sensible option sticking to any% route. it is still fairly significant though

limpid ruin Mar 25, 2021, 7:10 PM

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Also we shouldnt downplay how much of a difference a nail upgrade is. Its a sizeable dps upgrade, for sure

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Cutting a fight down from 1 minute to 50 seconds is a sizey chunk less to stay alive

vague jolt Mar 25, 2021, 7:11 PM

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thorn jasper shade soul any% on current patch is messed up because you have to do peaks for e...

For 1221, I think it's really cool that Dash Slash not only gets you shade soul, but also it gets you QGA skip

thorn jasper Mar 25, 2021, 7:13 PM

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yes! it's great

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you don't need an autosplit for the end of the game. the ending triggers a split for you

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I've never even seen "Hollow Knight Practice (Boss)" grubthink

limpid ruin Mar 25, 2021, 7:19 PM

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It's new, I hoped adding Practice would make it clear its for practice and not run ending

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🥴

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It's awesome for thk practice fight grinding

low bramble Mar 25, 2021, 7:20 PM

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yo cerp thats clutch lfg

limpid ruin Mar 25, 2021, 7:20 PM

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There's also a radiance practice split now, but I never tested that one but it might be helpful for TE? ax1uWide3

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Maybe, who knows ax2uHappy

crisp dome Mar 25, 2021, 7:31 PM

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from the deepest darkest part of my soul. Fuck WK

hallow orchid Mar 25, 2021, 7:32 PM

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mood

crisp dome Mar 25, 2021, 7:35 PM

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I keep resetting for splits even though i still take >40 mins for wk >.<

hallow orchid Mar 25, 2021, 7:36 PM

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I'd recommend practicing WK a bunch until you can get them in 1/2 tries

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worry more about survival than speed at first

subtle glade Mar 25, 2021, 7:36 PM

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true palm was this consistent or a one time thing?

Sorry I didn't reply, didn't see you answer. Yes, it happened consistantly, and I use steam controller support, no key mapping

crisp dome Mar 25, 2021, 7:40 PM

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lmao

indigo heart Mar 25, 2021, 8:04 PM

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Spore Shroom OP 🤣

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Lost my yesterdays splits but still almost 1,5min PB

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 8:04 PM

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based and sporepilled

hallow orchid Mar 25, 2021, 8:04 PM

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I'm so glad spore shroom any% is becoming a thing

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 8:05 PM

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~~now go run spelless its fun i swear~~

indigo heart Mar 25, 2021, 8:05 PM

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I was doing Deepnest route already so why not get Spore

hearty adder Mar 25, 2021, 8:06 PM

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sporeshroom hollowD

ionic cargo Mar 25, 2021, 8:06 PM

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sporeshroom is the only way to run any%

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im so glad the route also works on cp/console

hallow orchid Mar 25, 2021, 8:07 PM

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in fact it only works on cp/console

hearty adder Mar 25, 2021, 8:07 PM

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sporeshroom route is only really viable on current patch, and also it seems the beta patch also has broken sporeshroom

thorn jasper Mar 25, 2021, 8:07 PM

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do you mean "fixed" sporeshroom?

hallow orchid Mar 25, 2021, 8:07 PM

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I am pretty sure the beta patch fixed spore shroom

ionic cargo Mar 25, 2021, 8:07 PM

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oh yeah, finally cp is a better version for smth

hearty adder Mar 25, 2021, 8:07 PM

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hallow orchid I am pretty sure the beta patch fixed spore shroom

i feel i saw someone trying it and saying it worked, though I could be mixing that up with something else that was tested

hallow orchid Mar 25, 2021, 8:08 PM

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we don't have a working debug mod for the beta yet afaik so it's hard to test concretely

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but I fought THK on the first beta version with it and it did not seem to be killing him particularly quickly

hearty adder Mar 25, 2021, 8:09 PM

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Imagine if they buffed thk even more notlikequirrel

prime delta Mar 25, 2021, 8:34 PM

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thk spent the last two and a half years working out

stark birch Mar 25, 2021, 8:54 PM

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haughty fossil ~~now go run spelless its fun i swear~~

Jamie when are you coming back to spelless

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 8:55 PM

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when i get back from school

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so tomorrow FeelsInvertedMan

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(but ofc as comes first i dont wanna lose and im rusty as hecc)

hot latch Mar 25, 2021, 8:59 PM

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starts first attempt at a hollowknight speedrun

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15 min in hk crashes

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zote

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 9:01 PM

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hey that's my experience too 😄 try restarting your pc, tends to help stability for me

hot latch Mar 25, 2021, 9:02 PM

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Yeah tbh i was expecting something to go wrong recording that long lol, Thanks for the tip!

hearty adder Mar 25, 2021, 9:02 PM

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TC trying to stop speedrunners as usual smh my head 😤

stray kestrel Mar 25, 2021, 9:13 PM

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none

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but all skills is pretty close

hearty adder Mar 25, 2021, 9:13 PM

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Well, it depends on what you feel you're already good at, and how long you'd like the run to be

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But yeah, in terms of full game runs, All Skills is pretty comfy for beginners

stray kestrel Mar 25, 2021, 9:14 PM

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all skills is lots of movement optimization and any% has more boss fight optimization (with some movement still ofc)

jagged vault Mar 25, 2021, 9:17 PM

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shroompog

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 9:20 PM

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idk spelless is a pretty chill run feelspkman

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i love walking back and forth in front of a baldur for 10 minutes like a moron

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yeah but you can get better at the baldur kill

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i mean vsync epogo sucks

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so that's understandable

hallow orchid Mar 25, 2021, 9:28 PM

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if you're on console I don't think there's any all skills runs that are up to date actually, you'd be better off checking out recent pc submissions

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 9:29 PM

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make sure you don't do clockwise edge on console, otherwise i can't think of anything major besides ems shenanigans with quitouts being omega slow that were on old route

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oh yeah then thats cool

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wrs are all pretty current for all the categories, though you might want to look at jbhyperion's run if you're running current patch all skills

glass fiber Mar 25, 2021, 9:30 PM

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hey sorry to bother, but i just downpatched to 1.2.2.1 and my ps4 controller is no longer recognized. does anyone know a solution to this problem?

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 9:31 PM

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use other software to emulate either an xbox controller or kb

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joytokey is guaranteed to work

glass fiber Mar 25, 2021, 9:31 PM

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ah i'll just use joytokey then

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thanks

frank cobalt Mar 25, 2021, 9:33 PM

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To whoever was asking for wk help. The comsobs are also a good place to look.

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subtle glade Mar 25, 2021, 9:35 PM

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glass fiber hey sorry to bother, but i just downpatched to 1.2.2.1 and my ps4 controller is ...

You could also use steam's controller support

frank cobalt Mar 25, 2021, 9:36 PM

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Best broad tips I have -

1.) Play aggressive. The more scared you play, the more dangerous the fight becomes. Every time you try to walk away to try and heal or play scared, you are way more likely to get hit. You're there to beat their ass, not run away :)

2.) Stay CLOSE to the knights. Close close. You always want them to be within nail distance and never stop swinging.

low bramble Mar 25, 2021, 9:40 PM

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the faster you kill them the less time you have to die

dull lion Mar 25, 2021, 9:45 PM

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Even though it sounds like joke advice it really is the best way to increase consistency

glass fiber Mar 25, 2021, 9:51 PM

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fixed my issue by... disabling steam ps4 controller recognition?

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whatever

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it works now

idle pike Mar 25, 2021, 9:56 PM

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I don't know if this is the right place to ask since there isn't a "challenge runs" channel but did anyone pull off a "no focusing steel soul" run before?

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i kinda want to try my hand and stream it

short spire Mar 25, 2021, 9:56 PM

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skurry did a no focus run iirc

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dunno if steel soul

idle pike Mar 25, 2021, 9:56 PM

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i know but that wasn't steel soul

short spire Mar 25, 2021, 9:57 PM

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should be a trivial addition because quitouts exist

idle pike Mar 25, 2021, 9:57 PM

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if i try i will do no quit outs as well

formal bough Mar 25, 2021, 9:58 PM

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this probably isn't the most relevant place to ask but odds are like #hk-discussion wouldn't be helpful either

jagged vault Mar 25, 2021, 9:58 PM

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you can be the first do do it i guess shroompog

last inlet Mar 25, 2021, 9:59 PM

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there really isn't a great place to ask abt challenge runs atm

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 9:59 PM

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soon™️

frank cobalt Mar 25, 2021, 10:04 PM

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Doing a no-focus run would have to be Godhome ending I believe

last inlet Mar 25, 2021, 10:06 PM

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yeah

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skurry's run leaned on hiveblood for pantheons

grizzled maple Mar 25, 2021, 10:07 PM

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just do it hitless emrayIQ

stiff delta Mar 25, 2021, 10:07 PM

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It really is that simple

last inlet Mar 25, 2021, 10:07 PM

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tbf it has a decent amount of wiggle room compared to hitless

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bench every 10 or so bosses

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and heal between pv and absrad

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so even without hiveblood it's manageable

idle pike Mar 25, 2021, 10:08 PM

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the pantheons don't bother me really, the problem is the trials

grizzled maple Mar 25, 2021, 10:08 PM

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I've beaten p5 with 23 hits once while overcharmed. it's absolutely possible

last inlet Mar 25, 2021, 10:08 PM

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you dont need the third trial to unlock pantheons

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:09 PM

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so im dumb and if its in resources i couldn't find it... is there a bench warp mod for 1221?

idle pike Mar 25, 2021, 10:09 PM

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yeah i know, but doing the first two trials without healing is still a challenge

grizzled maple Mar 25, 2021, 10:09 PM

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i recommend looking at how speedruns handle colos. they're very easy

last inlet Mar 25, 2021, 10:09 PM

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second will get scary tho and i think you need it for obblobles?

idle pike Mar 25, 2021, 10:09 PM

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yeah

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:09 PM

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OH I HAVE SPEEDRUNNER ROLE AYYYY

idle pike Mar 25, 2021, 10:09 PM

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and pale ore

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:09 PM

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i feel accomplished

grizzled maple Mar 25, 2021, 10:09 PM

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we do it overcharmed and the worst part is frog rng. outside of that, positioning and soul are 100% consistent

last inlet Mar 25, 2021, 10:09 PM

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yeah if you watch some runs to get a good idea of how to do them

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no frog rng if you dont do colo 3

prime delta Mar 25, 2021, 10:13 PM

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still wonder why they let you skip colo 3 for godhome but not colo 2

idle pike Mar 25, 2021, 10:13 PM

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yeah its so strange

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you don't need to encounter god tamer for pantheon 3 but you need to encounter oblobbles for pantheon 2

prime delta Mar 25, 2021, 10:14 PM

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my theory is that there's some Weird Spaget with how you can win the fight without killing the tamer

crisp dome Mar 25, 2021, 10:14 PM

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Beating PB and then spend 1hr+ on THK 😢

prime delta Mar 25, 2021, 10:14 PM

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but it seems like that could be easily fixed by just checking that you killed the god

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:15 PM

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can someone please point me in the direction of bench warp for 1221 just flying there in debug is kinda annoying

formal bough Mar 25, 2021, 10:17 PM

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Save states do exist at the very least

last inlet Mar 25, 2021, 10:17 PM

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(there isnt one)

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at least we have savestate slots now

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:21 PM

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ok

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i just have a couple things i wanted to practice and they aren't exactly next to each other

last inlet Mar 25, 2021, 10:22 PM

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yeah i'd recommend putting them in your savestate slots (guide to set them up in 1221 debug readme if you havent already)

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:24 PM

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awesome

last inlet Mar 25, 2021, 10:25 PM

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also you might be able to find savestates in #resources

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there are a few collections of common states in popular categories

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:25 PM

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yeah there were some but idk how to move them into the right folder bc im very very stupid in case you can't tell lmao

last inlet Mar 25, 2021, 10:26 PM

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the saves are in your hollow knight saves location

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?saves

sick ravenBOT Mar 25, 2021, 10:26 PM

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Saves

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
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Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
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Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

last inlet Mar 25, 2021, 10:26 PM

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in a folder called savestates

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:26 PM

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gotcha

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i know how to get there

last inlet Mar 25, 2021, 10:26 PM

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they should be named 1-6.json

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(at least by default, you can have more or less than 6)

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so your first slot will be called 1.json iirc

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:27 PM

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...it's not there...

last inlet Mar 25, 2021, 10:27 PM

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if you havent already made a state the file wont exist yet

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put the savestate you want in and rename it to '1'

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:27 PM

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i barely know what a savestate is

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the folder doesn't even exist

last inlet Mar 25, 2021, 10:28 PM

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you probably need to enable them in the debug settings

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:29 PM

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i thought they were enabled but i'll double check

last inlet Mar 25, 2021, 10:29 PM

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i think it's called smth like debugmod.globalsettings

thorn jasper Mar 25, 2021, 10:29 PM

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debugmod.globalsettings-1.2.2.1

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everything won't be there the first time you run with the new debug mod

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you'll have to load in the game and then quit the game

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:30 PM

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...where is said file located

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i am very dumb sorry

last inlet Mar 25, 2021, 10:30 PM

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gonna be honest i dont remember exactly

thorn jasper Mar 25, 2021, 10:31 PM

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next to the ?saves

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:31 PM

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ok

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but it isn't there

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i combed through every file

last inlet Mar 25, 2021, 10:31 PM

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the settings file or the savestates?

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:31 PM

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both...

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well

thorn jasper Mar 25, 2021, 10:32 PM

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oh you also need the new modding api

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:32 PM

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there is a settings file

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but it's of a type i can't open

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not with my current software

thorn jasper Mar 25, 2021, 10:32 PM

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thorn jasper oh you also need the new modding api

second pin in #resources

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:32 PM

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gotcha

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 10:32 PM

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dapper cove but it's of a type i can't open

open it with notepad

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:32 PM

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wasn't an option

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it was a .bak file

thorn jasper Mar 25, 2021, 10:33 PM

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.bak is just shorthand for "backup"

last inlet Mar 25, 2021, 10:33 PM

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is there no other file

thorn jasper Mar 25, 2021, 10:33 PM

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x.json.bak is just a .json file

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:33 PM

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the other is a .json so it pulls up my vscode

last inlet Mar 25, 2021, 10:33 PM

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if you right click the json then open with notepad

thorn jasper Mar 25, 2021, 10:34 PM

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vscode also works

last inlet Mar 25, 2021, 10:34 PM

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you should be able to change the settings

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yeah true

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:34 PM

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okok can we slow down though lmao i need to do this one step at a time

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i downloaded the new modding API do i put that where i had the old one

thorn jasper Mar 25, 2021, 10:34 PM

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dapper cove i downloaded the new modding API do i put that where i had the old one

correct

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:34 PM

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do i delete the old one

thorn jasper Mar 25, 2021, 10:34 PM

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yes

last inlet Mar 25, 2021, 10:34 PM

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yes

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:35 PM

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and then from there do i work on the files in the save data location

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i need to take this one step at a time or else i get very overwhelmed sorry

last inlet Mar 25, 2021, 10:36 PM

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if you go into the debug mod global settings file

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:36 PM

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so my apologies if it's annoying

thorn jasper Mar 25, 2021, 10:36 PM

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at this point I would delete (or move) all the DebugMod.* files and just load up the game fresh

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:36 PM

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ok

thorn jasper Mar 25, 2021, 10:36 PM

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let the new stuff generate the default files

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load into a save, and then quit out and close the game

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:36 PM

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luckily there were only two of those files and one was the backup

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on the title screen it says it failed to load

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y'know in that spot on the top left

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 10:38 PM

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can you screenshot the title screen

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:38 PM

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yeah lemme boot it back up

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wasn't sure if it was just a thing that happened upon first time opening

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i cropped it slightly to keep my name out of view but this is the gist of what it says

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frank obsidian Mar 25, 2021, 10:40 PM

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new any% pb peepoArrive

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 10:40 PM

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why is assembly-csharp.dll in your mods folder

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:40 PM

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i asked if i should replace the old one and they said yes

grizzled maple Mar 25, 2021, 10:40 PM

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thats the problem

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 10:40 PM

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that is not debug mod

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:40 PM

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well then

grizzled maple Mar 25, 2021, 10:40 PM

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assembly goes into managed

thorn jasper Mar 25, 2021, 10:41 PM

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dapper cove i asked if i should replace the old one and they said yes

the old one should not have been there. i thought you meant the old modding api

grizzled maple Mar 25, 2021, 10:41 PM

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temp rename your vanilla one

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and put that one in, and also place debug into Mods

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:41 PM

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okok wait slow down sorry i'm very confused

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oh that

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ok i see it maybe

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still lost on that first thing with the vanilla

grizzled maple Mar 25, 2021, 10:41 PM

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the assembly determines whether the game is vanilla or modded. whichever is named correctly is the one that is active

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so you need both

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if its the modded one it'll pull the mods from the Mods folder

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:42 PM

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ok i put the debug back now what

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do i delete the old api and just replace it

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i have a backup folder with a vanilla version that i don't touch

grizzled maple Mar 25, 2021, 10:43 PM

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temp rename your vanilla one

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:43 PM

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the vanilla one is in a separate folder called backup and i don't mess with the files there

grizzled maple Mar 25, 2021, 10:44 PM

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This is mine for example. The Y tells me that debug is on

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the renamed one is the vanilla one

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so if i wanna turn it off i rename the modded one to N, and rename the vanilla one correctly

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:44 PM

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i'm confusing myself so much hold on

grizzled maple Mar 25, 2021, 10:44 PM

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try to read what im saying instead of making assumptions

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:44 PM

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no i am reading i'm just still getting confused

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i have a completely separate folder for my vanilla 1221 hollow knight

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the folder path you saw was only for the modded version

grizzled maple Mar 25, 2021, 10:45 PM

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That's wasted space

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You only need to swap drivers not entire game installs

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Games are big

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:45 PM

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i never said i was smart lol

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the tutorials said to have a backup

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so i made the new folder with the game data

grizzled maple Mar 25, 2021, 10:46 PM

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Yeah a backup is fine and worthwhile. Having an install for unmodded and modded is kinda pointless since its one driver and a mod different

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:47 PM

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me knowing me i'm going to keep it for now bc if i don't i will constantly open the wrong one

thorn jasper Mar 25, 2021, 10:47 PM

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I have separate 1221 installs because I have more disk space than brain space. So it works for me

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:48 PM

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so if i were to keep the folders separate do i just delete the version of the api in my mod folder

grizzled maple Mar 25, 2021, 10:48 PM

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i have a tb and still am miserly with space

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i'll probably never fill it up if i tried lol

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:48 PM

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i just got my new computer back in late january/febrauary so it's still pretty fresh and new

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 10:48 PM

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grizzled maple i have a tb and still am miserly with space

ax2uSip

grizzled maple Mar 25, 2021, 10:48 PM

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If you have an entirely separate modded install then yes, that driver should override the default assembly

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still might be a good idea to rename it for ease if you change your mind on file management

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:49 PM

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do i replace all three files

grizzled maple Mar 25, 2021, 10:49 PM

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three???

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:49 PM

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i'll cross that bridge when i get there

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there's three files

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 10:49 PM

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only replace Assembly-CSharp.dll

grizzled maple Mar 25, 2021, 10:49 PM

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there's an assembly and a debug

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:49 PM

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ok

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thanks jamie

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 10:49 PM

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debugmod.dll goes in the mods folder

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:50 PM

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wait nono i think you misunderstood

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there's three files with Assembly-CSharp in the name

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i'll screenshot

grizzled maple Mar 25, 2021, 10:50 PM

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no theres one

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the other two are not that name

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:50 PM

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i see three

thorn jasper Mar 25, 2021, 10:50 PM

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there's only one file with exactly that name

grizzled maple Mar 25, 2021, 10:50 PM

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^

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 10:50 PM

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Assembly-CSharp-firstpass is not Assembly-CSharp

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:50 PM

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so just replace the one with exactly that name

thorn jasper Mar 25, 2021, 10:50 PM

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ignore the -firstpass or whatever

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:50 PM

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what about the .xml or whatever it was

grizzled maple Mar 25, 2021, 10:51 PM

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dont touch anything else

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:51 PM

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ok

grizzled maple Mar 25, 2021, 10:51 PM

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literally drop the modded assembly in the folder

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 10:51 PM

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xml doesn't matter, only used for mod dev

grizzled maple Mar 25, 2021, 10:51 PM

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thats it

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itll ask to overwrite the old one

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select yes

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:51 PM

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i apologise again for my idiocracy

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oh i just deleted the old one and moved the new one in but that works too lmao

jagged vault Mar 25, 2021, 10:51 PM

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Hey, it’s okay! You’re learning grublove

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:51 PM

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thanks blue

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even in the five minutes i was practicing i managed to do ismas skip

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 10:52 PM

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its ok, its stuff like this that reminds me why i was going to make modinstaller for 1221

frank obsidian Mar 25, 2021, 10:52 PM

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guys is 1 hr 6 mins good for any%

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:52 PM

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figured out pretty quickly why i've been struggling with the acid skips

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yeah that's really good

frank obsidian Mar 25, 2021, 10:52 PM

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pog

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 10:52 PM

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good is whatever you're happy with personally tamershrug

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:52 PM

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at least in my books that's way better than what i could do

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to me "good" is just "better than last time"

frank obsidian Mar 25, 2021, 10:53 PM

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haughty fossil good is whatever you're happy with personally <:tamershrug:618272745276571658>

world record time peepoArrive /j

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:53 PM

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or if it isn't if i'm still proud of the run then it's good

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 10:53 PM

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you can be unhappy with a wr time

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:53 PM

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but the reason i was struggling with ismas is i was getting impatient

frank obsidian Mar 25, 2021, 10:53 PM

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i didnt record it tho so all i have is the final time on the save, and i had the moresaves mod on so it wouldnt matter anyway

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 10:53 PM

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it's about what you want to achieve

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:53 PM

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so i'd try and cdash too early or jump to early and all that jazz

frank obsidian Mar 25, 2021, 10:53 PM

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IDK why you cant run with moresaves on, it literally just makes more saves.

harsh mason Mar 25, 2021, 10:54 PM

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because it requires modding api

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which changes how the game works

frank obsidian Mar 25, 2021, 10:54 PM

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sadge

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:54 PM

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ok i think the new api installed

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it says 1221-41

thorn jasper Mar 25, 2021, 10:55 PM

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that sounds right

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:55 PM

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woooo ok step 1 done

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now to figure out how to actually do save states

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so from here

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what do i do with the settings file

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because i have the file location open

grizzled maple Mar 25, 2021, 10:56 PM

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F1 opens debug. in the middle right there's a window where you can set hotkeys. the save state create and load binds are not set by default

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youll need to set them in-game

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:56 PM

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ok

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i'll go for my usual

frank obsidian Mar 25, 2021, 10:57 PM

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okay so i may or may not have just crashed my game by cloning the pure vessel 77 times and attempting to fight them

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 10:57 PM

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oh god lmao

short spire Mar 25, 2021, 10:57 PM

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not really speedrunning related

frank obsidian Mar 25, 2021, 11:02 PM

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sorry...

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 11:03 PM

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ok wait there's still no savestates file

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and i know i just made a savestate

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...i think

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 11:03 PM

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did you save them to file

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using the binds set in the config

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 11:03 PM

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i set the keybinds for making and loading the savestate yes

thorn jasper Mar 25, 2021, 11:04 PM

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you might have to close and re-open the game to initialize the save state stuff

dapper cove Mar 25, 2021, 11:04 PM

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ok

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i might just stick to using the dreamgates bc it doesn't seem to be working but i could be dumb per usual

jagged vault Mar 25, 2021, 11:16 PM

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Gl! grublove

hearty adder Mar 25, 2021, 11:18 PM

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Ah, I see more than 3 people are trying to log on src at once feelspkman

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 11:19 PM

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looks like someone's verifying one (1) speedrun again

frank obsidian Mar 25, 2021, 11:20 PM

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how do i make it so it saves vods on my twitch

stiff delta Mar 25, 2021, 11:20 PM

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My bad guys

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I tried to view a forum post

tepid schooner Mar 25, 2021, 11:22 PM

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frank obsidian how do i make it so it saves vods on my twitch

there's a setting called "store past broadcasts" under stream settings

dull plank Mar 25, 2021, 11:24 PM

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speedrunning this game is hard i wish all who have done it a fantastic day

frank obsidian Mar 25, 2021, 11:35 PM

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how much does api change the game to the point where speedruns are invalid?

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 11:35 PM

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changes loads and rng and performance

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speedrun.com by default disallows modified versions of the game unless it is deemed necessary or suitable by the community

frank obsidian Mar 25, 2021, 11:38 PM

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sad

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is there like an api category or smth?

low bramble Mar 25, 2021, 11:39 PM

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there is a modded board

jagged vault Mar 25, 2021, 11:41 PM

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Yeah, as saber mentioned there are the modded leaderboards at speedrun.com/hkmods

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In these leaderboards, the api is always allowed, and individual mods are allowed depending on the category

grizzled maple Mar 25, 2021, 11:44 PM

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Note: Debug is never allowed with the only exception being abyss climb ILs for save states

normal aspen Mar 25, 2021, 11:49 PM

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And debug speedruns 😤

grizzled maple Mar 25, 2021, 11:50 PM

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wtf yall really put that on the board

hearty adder Mar 25, 2021, 11:51 PM

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i feel debug runs are too much of a shitpost

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to the point where they aren't really fun

normal aspen Mar 25, 2021, 11:51 PM

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Don't look at me

molten aurora Mar 25, 2021, 11:53 PM

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Why is all skills watcher knights harder than hornet 2 grubsad

frank obsidian Mar 25, 2021, 11:54 PM

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wait so i can get verified on a debug run

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vesselsip

jagged vault Mar 25, 2021, 11:55 PM

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Technically, yes.

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 11:56 PM

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please only submit runs in good faith for their category descriptions

frank obsidian Mar 25, 2021, 11:56 PM

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p e e p o A r r i v e

frank obsidian Mar 25, 2021, 11:56 PM

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haughty fossil please only submit runs in good faith for their category descriptions

I dont know what you mean by that

haughty fossil Mar 25, 2021, 11:56 PM

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don't submit an any% run where you had debug on to a debug board, that defeats the purpose of that board

frank obsidian Mar 25, 2021, 11:57 PM

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no like can i just do the debug% to get the speedrunner role and then once im verified start like running real categories? can i do that?

ionic sparrow Mar 25, 2021, 11:58 PM

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you can just run anything you want

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you dont need to start anywhere

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to get the speedrunner roleyou need a run submitted to src for hollow knight

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can be on the category extensions board, main board, or modded board

frank obsidian Mar 25, 2021, 11:59 PM

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sweet

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does someone have to watch my stream as it happens or no

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also for debug% can i have moresaves on?'

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cats?

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i like cats

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oh

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im dumb

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could you perhaps

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link the category rules

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idk what im doing

haughty fossil Mar 26, 2021, 12:03 AM

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go to the board on speedrun.com

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click the view rules button

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i doubt moresaves is included/excluded specifically, but i know it to be extremely buggy and highly doubt we'd accept a run with it if one comes up

hardy crown Mar 26, 2021, 12:05 AM

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You can keep backups of your saves manually, which is a bit fiddly to juggle but if you really want to keep all your saves that is a possible alternative.

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 12:05 AM

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?saves

sick ravenBOT Mar 26, 2021, 12:05 AM

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Saves

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 12:06 AM

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in case you wanna back them up manually

frank obsidian Mar 26, 2021, 12:07 AM

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haughty fossil i doubt moresaves is included/excluded specifically, but i know it to be extreme...

grubsad

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can someone link the debug% i cant find it

jagged vault Mar 26, 2021, 12:10 AM

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Speedrun.com/hkmods

hot latch Mar 26, 2021, 12:12 AM

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Hey does anyone know if 1221 wk have different ai than cp or anything?

haughty fossil Mar 26, 2021, 12:13 AM

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they can't roll from offscreen on cp

hot latch Mar 26, 2021, 12:13 AM

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Oh nice

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I kept expecting them to roll from offscreen so that's nice to know thank you

haughty fossil Mar 26, 2021, 12:13 AM

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i go peepoRun

frank obsidian Mar 26, 2021, 12:13 AM

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so jamie i cant use moresaves, right?

haughty fossil Mar 26, 2021, 12:13 AM

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i would not use moresaves, no

frank obsidian Mar 26, 2021, 12:14 AM

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ok

haughty fossil Mar 26, 2021, 12:14 AM

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hot latch I kept expecting them to roll from offscreen so that's nice to know thank you

note however they have a very literal definition of offscreen

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1px onscreen and they will roll FeelsInvertedMan

hot latch Mar 26, 2021, 12:14 AM

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Thank you lol

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Wk makes me sad

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 12:14 AM

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though sometimes you'll see them walk over to you before attacking, that looks kinda cute

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 12:15 AM

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hot latch Wk makes me sad

sam e

alpine rivet Mar 26, 2021, 12:28 AM

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I have decided that I'm gonna do some speedrun attempts in the future on current patch. What would you say is a reasonable first time to aim for? Personally, the first goal I'm gonna aim for is around 2 hours 30 minutes, but I dunno if that's optimistic.

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That is true

limpid dust Mar 26, 2021, 12:29 AM

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It all depends on wether you want to learn a route or just do it by yourself without much practice

haughty fossil Mar 26, 2021, 12:29 AM

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a time to aim for is whatever you would be happy to achieve given the time you've put in

alpine rivet Mar 26, 2021, 12:30 AM

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I downloaded the current patch powerpoint from speedrun.com

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I dunno if that's outdated or not, but it's pretty helpful.

limpid dust Mar 26, 2021, 12:31 AM

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if you will follow a route you can probably go for quite a bit lower after a bit of practice. But without 2h30 is a good goal

alpine rivet Mar 26, 2021, 12:31 AM

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My current quickest run was on my Steel Soul playthrough to get sub 5 hour achievement. I got like 4 hours 19 minutes.

limpid dust Mar 26, 2021, 12:32 AM

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never understood why tbh

ionic sparrow Mar 26, 2021, 12:32 AM

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yes

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modding api changes how the game runs

limpid dust Mar 26, 2021, 12:33 AM

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like significantly ? more than pc differences?

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curious

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I'm asking that cause on another game I'm playing we allow cosmetic mods and even a unpatching of an old strat so you can play on a actual patch that let you use mod

alpine rivet Mar 26, 2021, 12:35 AM

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On the newest patch, I take it explosion pogo is impossible? I was planning to avoid it anyways but am interested.

limpid dust Mar 26, 2021, 12:35 AM

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it's possible but harder

haughty fossil Mar 26, 2021, 12:35 AM

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there are different strats in #strats

alpine rivet Mar 26, 2021, 12:35 AM

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Yeah, I was having a quick gander in there.

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Thanks 🙂

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 12:36 AM

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there's a new strat there that makes current patch epogo much easier

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on current patch you can only pogo the spore, not the explosion

alpine rivet Mar 26, 2021, 12:36 AM

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I see

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 12:37 AM

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#strats message

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here you go

frank obsidian Mar 26, 2021, 12:37 AM

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ok chane in plans imma do my run tmrw evening SCpetpetcat

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 12:38 AM

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you don't have to submit it right away, don't worry

haughty fossil Mar 26, 2021, 12:40 AM

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we're generally much more active, though queue is growing (because im slacking zote )

limpid dust Mar 26, 2021, 12:40 AM

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depends a lot on the game/amount of verifier

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 12:40 AM

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and also the category you're submitting to

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mood

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 12:41 AM

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Ahhh. So Jamie is why my run hasn't been verified yet feelspkman

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 12:41 AM

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as long as you end up completing a run (if that's what you want), you can take all the time you need

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 12:41 AM

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Jk grublove

haughty fossil Mar 26, 2021, 12:42 AM

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myArms

normal aspen Mar 26, 2021, 12:42 AM

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garmond

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 12:43 AM

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Hehe, an hour long vesselsip

haughty fossil Mar 26, 2021, 12:43 AM

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do what i do and watch it at 5x speed

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 12:43 AM

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Probably checking the #all-skills pins would be a good idea

haughty fossil Mar 26, 2021, 12:43 AM

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stop ping replying people, we really dislike it here 02Love

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 12:44 AM

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i feel like most of the questions asked in this chat can be answered by "check the pins"

haughty fossil Mar 26, 2021, 12:44 AM

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correct welcome to public discord servers

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 12:46 AM

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I just wanna be good too zote

rugged crow Mar 26, 2021, 12:46 AM

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then zoom, but it wont be as zoom as if you learn to zoom

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 12:46 AM

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if you want to go zoom you can route to get cdash as fast as possible then just you know, cdash around the map

dapper cove Mar 26, 2021, 12:47 AM

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If you wanna go zoom do what I did: learn the route as you do the run

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 12:48 AM

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watching other people's runs is a good way of absorbing information without playing vesselsip

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I do not mean to sound condescending

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 12:49 AM

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i know zote

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 12:50 AM

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I'm just mentioning that if you don't have more than an hour to sit down and practice yourself, watching other people carefully is good

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 12:51 AM

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You come into the channel and asked for advice, you then got advice elderC

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I'm just memeing, don't mind me.

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At the end of the day though, for learning a ~1hr run, it's gonna take more than an hour to learn, no real way around that. You have to put in the time.

sick ravenBOT Mar 26, 2021, 12:54 AM

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Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 12:58 AM

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Dude i swear i cant do explosion pogo

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Its too hard

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 12:59 AM

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I really need to close src and just leave it. I keep refreshing it every 15mins to see if my run got verified, it's only been 2 days pepogrub

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 12:59 AM

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Yous is gunna win

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 1:00 AM

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molten aurora I really need to close src and just leave it. I keep refreshing it every 15mins ...

ayy we must have submitted at roughly the same time :D

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:00 AM

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And what time (perferably in est cst mst or somthing easy to figure out)

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The one where u fire two spells

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 1:00 AM

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try with three

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on what patch are you running ?

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:00 AM

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Cp

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 1:01 AM

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grand elm ayy we must have submitted at roughly the same time :D

Oh nice, hopefully we'll both be blue before long grubhappy

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 1:01 AM

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shroompog

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:01 AM

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I submitted mine a week ago about

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 1:01 AM

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worthy sluice Cp

then ye, after the dash, fireball twice instead of just once

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 1:01 AM

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Does comfy pogo work on 1221? I wouldn't try it, just curious.

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 1:01 AM

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with the proper timing to keep your height

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:02 AM

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I really just need to get good

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 1:02 AM

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if done correctly you won't even have to hold right to get closer to the spore
but ye, costs more soul

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:02 AM

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And just do it sometime

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 1:02 AM

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it's not too hard to collect enough soul on the way though

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:03 AM

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Also alprechim, expect a death at watchers

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From me

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 1:03 AM

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it doesn't take that much longer to get a few hits

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 1:03 AM

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^

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 1:03 AM

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if you wanna be extra comfy go for 3-fireball version (unless someone has already mentioned that 🐌)

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 1:03 AM

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Getting into good habits from that start and all that though.

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:03 AM

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I just suck

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I cant even do two fireball

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Its all too hard

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 1:04 AM

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3 is easier though

normal aspen Mar 26, 2021, 1:04 AM

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The real trick is to downpatch

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:04 AM

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On console zote

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 1:04 AM

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you wanna get 9 soul so bad, you wanna cast three times

normal aspen Mar 26, 2021, 1:04 AM

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If ur on console just do vsync epogo

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 1:04 AM

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worthy sluice I cant even do two fireball

two fireballs is a bit more tight, especially if you aren't already used to doing some other version of epogo

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:05 AM

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normal aspen If ur on console just do vsync epogo

Isnt that what we were just saying? Or is that another strat

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 1:05 AM

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~~comfy pogo also earns you a ton of style points~~

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:05 AM

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As of right now, all of my speedruns have me going all the way around

normal aspen Mar 26, 2021, 1:05 AM

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Vsymc epogo doesn't use soul

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It's just pogo, ouch, dash

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:06 AM

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I tried that and couldnt get it : )

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 1:06 AM

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worthy sluice As of right now, all of my speedruns have me going **all the way around**

i mean that's still a viable strategy like
you only lose around 45 seconds

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:06 AM

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I cant do it

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 1:06 AM

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yet*

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:06 AM

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grand elm i mean that's still a viable strategy like you only lose around 45 seconds

45 seconds is a ton of time

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 1:07 AM

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it depends what you are trying to achieve with your run though

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if you're running for wr then sure

normal aspen Mar 26, 2021, 1:07 AM

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I mean if ur 20 mins behind rekky 50s isn't that long tbh

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:07 AM

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grand elm it depends what you are trying to achieve with your run though

Sub hour and my pb is 1:06:22 i need any timesave i can find

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And that looked like the easiest

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 1:07 AM

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i mean my pb is 46:04 and i missed that trick

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AND the greenpath fireball skip

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:08 AM

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It makes our times look like grubsad

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 1:08 AM

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yes it is, but my point is, you don't need to get that trick to achieve a time under an hour

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there are a lot of things you can improve in a run besides epogo

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:09 AM

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I want to improve, and the easiest way is to pick up a trick that saves a minute of time

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 1:10 AM

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if you need help with vsync pogo on console, i'm sure console runners would be glad to help

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what console exactly do you run on?

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:10 AM

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One

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everyone else seems to like running on ps4

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 1:11 AM

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The loads are better on ps4 right?

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:11 AM

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POG MY RUN IS VERIFIED

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Im so happy!!!!

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 1:11 AM

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👏

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enjoy blue

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 1:11 AM

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get yourself a blue role eye

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:11 AM

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https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/yo95wg1y

speedrun.com

Speedrunning leaderboards, resources, forums, and more!

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There it is

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 1:11 AM

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(and specifically ask for the role)

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:12 AM

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May i please have blue role?

vocal dove Mar 26, 2021, 1:13 AM

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i've never had hornet turn invisible before

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 1:14 AM

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current patch moment

blissful plume Mar 26, 2021, 1:14 AM

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Anyone got any tips on how to do Failed Champion current patch with nail 0

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112%

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:14 AM

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worthy sluice May i please have blue role?

Plz

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 1:14 AM

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give the mods some time, they're probably busy

rugged crow Mar 26, 2021, 1:14 AM

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give them time vesselsip

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:14 AM

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Aight!

blissful plume Mar 26, 2021, 1:14 AM

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have lvl 2 DD and vs

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:15 AM

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Thought zana could do it

vocal dove Mar 26, 2021, 1:15 AM

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1221

blissful plume Mar 26, 2021, 1:15 AM

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(current pactch nmg)

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:15 AM

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You can always ping me

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 1:16 AM

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i love your interactions with your family in the middle of your run :D

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 1:16 AM

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blissful plume Anyone got any tips on how to do Failed Champion current patch with nail 0

There aren't many 112% runners, I'd recommend you go over #1xx-percent and try to find anything related to that. Else, just wait until a 112 runner is online and sees your query

blissful plume Mar 26, 2021, 1:16 AM

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ok ty

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 1:17 AM

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i assume it'd be similar to the true ending failed champion fight, because double/triple shade soul hits, so #true-ending could also be a good place to look at just in case

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:18 AM

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Im offically 13th on the leaderboard

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It feels pretty great

jagged vault Mar 26, 2021, 1:18 AM

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The fight is the same in TE/ 1221

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The only difference is spell twister

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:18 AM

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youre about to be 13th again

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 1:19 AM

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monkaS

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:19 AM

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: D < 3

formal bough Mar 26, 2021, 1:22 AM

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worthy sluice https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/yo95wg1y

Because its common that role requests can get missed (because you can't expect them to read all of speedrunning) @digital jewel (consequences again of being first alphabetically)

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oh oops

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ah well

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 1:23 AM

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If it wasn't for the go part he'd be last alphabetically

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:23 AM

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Or insomia

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He was just here

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Oh

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 1:23 AM

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Also I'm about to move everyone on the PS4/Xbone any% board down by one in a few days anyway

stray kestrel Mar 26, 2021, 1:23 AM

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insomnia can give role tho right b/c orange mod?

formal bough Mar 26, 2021, 1:23 AM

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He can but he shouldn't I'm pretty sure

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:23 AM

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Yo wait thats trippy

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Whut

formal bough Mar 26, 2021, 1:24 AM

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like it's light blue names job to do it not orange names job to do it

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 1:24 AM

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Just ping Krythom

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:24 AM

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Lets ALL ping him

stray kestrel Mar 26, 2021, 1:24 AM

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or just ask a question in #any-percent

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:24 AM

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@dry sluice

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https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/yo95wg1y

speedrun.com

Speedrunning leaderboards, resources, forums, and more!

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 1:24 AM

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It's what you get when you sign up for src mod

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:25 AM

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Ill just ping ALL OF THEM!!!!!

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Ahhh

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Yayay

ionic sparrow Mar 26, 2021, 1:26 AM

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you know theres a role you ping for that

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:26 AM

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Love you whoever did that!!!!

ionic sparrow Mar 26, 2021, 1:26 AM

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not the individual ppl normally

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:26 AM

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Ahhh whatever its a one off thing anyway

ionic sparrow Mar 26, 2021, 1:26 AM

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hmm

worthy sluice Mar 26, 2021, 1:26 AM

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Love you pest!!!

formal bough Mar 26, 2021, 1:29 AM

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ionic sparrow you know theres a role you ping for that

I personally feel awkward when pinging a role, and as much as I get that that pinging isn't that bad I still just struggle to actually do it. I guess I should probably just ping the role instead.

ionic sparrow Mar 26, 2021, 1:30 AM

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its what the role is there for

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like you do you if you dont want to but

stiff delta Mar 26, 2021, 1:30 AM

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@formal bough i agree it does feel hard to ping people

ionic sparrow Mar 26, 2021, 1:30 AM

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it is what its there for

thorn jasper Mar 26, 2021, 1:31 AM

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@ionic sparrow ~~ur cute~~

ionic sparrow Mar 26, 2021, 1:31 AM

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bastard

vocal dove Mar 26, 2021, 1:34 AM

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i've never had hornet turn invisible before, is this a common glitch?

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it's happened 2 runs in a row

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 1:35 AM

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If you're running current patch, random enemies turning invisible is absurdly common

vocal dove Mar 26, 2021, 1:35 AM

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i'm on 1221

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i've seen THK go invisible plenty, but never hornet

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she won't stop turning invisible even after restarting the game

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 1:53 AM

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have you tried clearing registry/restarting your pc? that's the only thing i can think of

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 2:58 AM

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I think I want to start learning 112% as a side project, I'm curious as to how hard it is, I imagine not too hard since you get all equipment right?

formal bough Mar 26, 2021, 2:59 AM

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Like the boss fights or remembering the route, since remembering the route of a 3 hour run isn't exactly the easiest thing

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 3:00 AM

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I have a really good memory, remembering the route wont be an issue, it'll just take time, more the movement and bossfights.

tepid schooner Mar 26, 2021, 3:01 AM

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pantheons can be pretty difficult, since it's at the end of a 3+ hour run

hallow orchid Mar 26, 2021, 3:01 AM

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112% is pretty difficult tbh

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Mostly because of p5 after 3-4 hours yeah

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Like I've run both any% and 112% and I'm way more scared walking into absrad at the end of 112 than into watchers in any%

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 3:03 AM

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Yeah, the pantheons scare me, I haven't beaten p3 yet, but I also haven't spent much time in there yet.

tepid schooner Mar 26, 2021, 3:04 AM

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some of the hurdles I faced when learning 112 were pantheons in general, colo 3, failed champion, and hornet 2

hallow orchid Mar 26, 2021, 3:05 AM

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Yeah 112 up to dream gate is harder than most other runs I've done, but then it's super chill from there until colos. Then it's basically high intensity for another 1.5 hours until you're finally done with p5

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But I'd recommend getting 112% casually first if you haven't done p3 yet, and consider whether you want to have to try to do p5 first try after ~4 hours rta of speedrunning

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It's a great run but it can be exhausting

grizzled maple Mar 26, 2021, 3:07 AM

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(Also dying to absrad is normal)

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 3:08 AM

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Yeah, I probably should finish the pantheons at the very least. Is there an optimal charm setup, or just personal preference?

thorn jasper Mar 26, 2021, 3:08 AM

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another thing to consider is that having a blue name makes it easier to talk in #1xx-percent gorbbrain

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 3:09 AM

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Just waiting for my run to be verified zote

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Makes it easier to talk? Makes it possible to talk gorbbrain

thorn jasper Mar 26, 2021, 3:09 AM

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possible is easier than impossible, no? grubthink

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 3:10 AM

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Damn, you actually got me there.

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Ugh, I forgot how weird CP feels. I'm not crazy right, CP feels like a different game to 1221.

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I'm used to how bad it is though, so much so that CP feels bad.

stiff delta Mar 26, 2021, 3:33 AM

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alprechim how can you be so wrong

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1221 feels way more tactile imo

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nuh uh

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you are nitpicking and biased

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i win, bye bye

hallow orchid Mar 26, 2021, 3:36 AM

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Having played mostly on CP including my casual patch 1221 feels so janky lol that's why I run almost exclusively CP categories

stiff delta Mar 26, 2021, 3:37 AM

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mathulu you are nitpicking and biased

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i win, bye bye

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cant believe im 2-0 in this debate its so ez

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 3:39 AM

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Okay, so I've come to a conclusion, I'm bad at pantheons, 106% here I come grubhappy

neon island Mar 26, 2021, 3:40 AM

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106% is actually pog

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Best 1xx% category for sure

stray kestrel Mar 26, 2021, 3:42 AM

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could also run nice% which i hear is basically like a 106 lite

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its not on boards yet tho

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 3:42 AM

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Just needs a few more people to run it gorbbrain

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be one of the nice% pioneers

stray kestrel Mar 26, 2021, 3:43 AM

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or do 100% te nmms

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its 70% but you "forget" to do colo3

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yea

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route is just diff probs

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1221 gets flukes

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here's emray's run of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv7Igd1T_5g&ab_channel=emray
i think there are route notes in #misc-runs-nmg

vocal dove Mar 26, 2021, 3:46 AM

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1221 is butt and i kind of hate it

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 3:47 AM

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Nice percent, sounds interesting, I might check it out.

grizzled maple Mar 26, 2021, 3:48 AM

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Its actually a really fun meme and we get to fight fluke 😳

hearty adder Mar 26, 2021, 3:50 AM

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flukeayaya

stray kestrel Mar 26, 2021, 3:52 AM

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#misc-runs-nmg message

stark birch Mar 26, 2021, 3:53 AM

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mayo too stronk I was just looking for those

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 3:55 AM

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Is 106% possible on 1221, or does it have to be CP?

stark birch Mar 26, 2021, 3:55 AM

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106 is locked to 1221 by convention, it's the only patch where 106 is the max completion percentage

hasty basin Mar 26, 2021, 3:55 AM

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i think if theres a 69% it should include smacking the tail of that guy in kingdoms edge

stark birch Mar 26, 2021, 3:56 AM

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112 is similarly locked to cp, although there was also a 107% run that admittedly didn't get much traction that is the equivalent of 1221's 106 (the extra % is hive knight, it skips pantheons)

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 3:57 AM

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That's all I needed to hear, time to uninstall CP grubhappy

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If I don't have CP, pantheons can't hurt me gorbbrain

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 3:58 AM

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107% should be ran on ~~Worst patch~~ Lifeblood

grizzled maple Mar 26, 2021, 3:59 AM

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I still stand by that. Like yeah cp is better to run on but it feels wrong if its not the max completion

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:00 AM

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Main issue it has is that it's not as exciting as 112 for viewers since it doesn't do pantheons and doesn't have the Fluke stuff 106 does

hallow orchid Mar 26, 2021, 4:00 AM

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tbh I think the fluke stuff is a negative for viewers

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judging by my chat at least (which tbf is biased af toward cp since I run 95% cp runs)

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:01 AM

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The Fluke WK fight makes up for all downsides

hallow orchid Mar 26, 2021, 4:01 AM

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I think it's like what em was saying though, people like watching speedruns that play like they did but really well executed

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fluke is totally foreign as an attack to most viewers I would imagine

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anyway speedrun quality shouldn't care about how good it is to watch lol

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 4:02 AM

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You're talking about the flukenest charm right? Isn't that super broken on 1221?

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:02 AM

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Wait until you see 1114 Flukenest

grizzled maple Mar 26, 2021, 4:02 AM

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In my experience people do like fluke but only when its actually impressive

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Like quick kills at a high level

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Hornet 2 in 106 is hype

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:03 AM

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Also seeing runners just do pantheon 5 in 112 which is something casuals can struggle with for weeks is probably very hype

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 4:05 AM

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How many hundreds of hours would it take to consistently get p5 done optimally I wonder.

hallow orchid Mar 26, 2021, 4:05 AM

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yeah I first started watching 112 runs because I couldn't beat p5 and I was blown away lol

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:05 AM

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I have like 800 hours and I have no idea how to do pantheons fast

limpid ruin Mar 26, 2021, 4:05 AM

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107 is for ppl like me but with better impulse control so not overpowered computers

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:06 AM

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I just mash nail and hope for the best

grizzled maple Mar 26, 2021, 4:06 AM

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I probably have at least 500 hours in p5 alone

hasty basin Mar 26, 2021, 4:06 AM

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wk with fluke was pretty fun the first time i saw it

grizzled maple Mar 26, 2021, 4:06 AM

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Like just practice excluding runs

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:06 AM

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I save time on pantheons every run so I'm probably getting better

hallow orchid Mar 26, 2021, 4:06 AM

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yeah I have 1400 hours in this game and I suck at pantheons tbqh

grizzled maple Mar 26, 2021, 4:06 AM

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Why would someone elderC that lol

stark birch Mar 26, 2021, 4:07 AM

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pantheons are another level entirely, I feel good at the game ~~sometimes~~ but nowhere near 112 good

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and certainly nowhere near GE good; I did my first p1 and p2 without full upgrades today and yiiiiiiiikes

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:07 AM

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I feel like I'm above average but if you compare me to top runners I struggle

grizzled maple Mar 26, 2021, 4:08 AM

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I grinded for months leading up to the last showcase and im still about 2 minutes behind monstah its insane

hallow orchid Mar 26, 2021, 4:08 AM

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yeah I think my 112 pb has like a 28 min p5 and I was pretty happy with that. Monstah is out there with like a 22 min p5 in 112 lol it's a whole other level

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:09 AM

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Okay, when it comes to 112 just barely only Xeph can kinda compare to Monstah

grizzled maple Mar 26, 2021, 4:09 AM

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Yeah getting that low 24 was like.. wow this is as good as I can get lol

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Xeph is pretty sick yeah

hallow orchid Mar 26, 2021, 4:09 AM

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yeah to me a 24 is nuts

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:10 AM

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No offense to the other three top 5 112 runners, they're all better than I'll be for quite a while

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Zeno bopped emray?

grizzled maple Mar 26, 2021, 4:10 AM

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Yeah

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:10 AM

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Go Sweden shroompog

grizzled maple Mar 26, 2021, 4:11 AM

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I'm getting bopped all over the place because I dont play the heckin game anymore lol

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Glad zeno is back tho. Thats what matters

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:12 AM

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As long as they don't feel forced to run 112

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My biggest issue with 112 currently is that it's so ass to get a run going

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Once I get past Sanctum it's pretty free rolling

limpid ruin Mar 26, 2021, 4:14 AM

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Can xeph even compare to monstah?

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:14 AM

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But that's such a chore

limpid ruin Mar 26, 2021, 4:14 AM

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I haven't watched her enough, but that's a high bar in regards to pantheons monkaMEGA

hallow orchid Mar 26, 2021, 4:15 AM

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xeph's pantheons are pretty damn good. Idk exactly how good though

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:15 AM

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I think Xeph pulls 23 or 24 P5

limpid ruin Mar 26, 2021, 4:16 AM

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3 minutes off of GOOD panths then 😤

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(I'm jesting)

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:16 AM

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Isn't a 20 P5 basically fake comsob?

limpid ruin Mar 26, 2021, 4:17 AM

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I do know monstah and vali have mentioned aiming for 21 minute p5s the last few months tho

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Like around when monstah got new PBs

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:17 AM

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The 3:14?

limpid ruin Mar 26, 2021, 4:18 AM

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Yea

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:19 AM

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I kinda hate how pantheons can get fake golds so easily

limpid ruin Mar 26, 2021, 4:19 AM

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Not that he necessarily got that good, but that's what he said he aimed for during that time

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:19 AM

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Just use Fury strats in 112 for the free sub 20 P5 /S

limpid ruin Mar 26, 2021, 4:20 AM

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Genuinely not free tho, bc no lifeblood so no tank strats

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Like not even hypothetically, I mean

grizzled maple Mar 26, 2021, 4:20 AM

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Yeah the hypothetical 112 fury would still be slower than ILs

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Still stupid fast tho

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:21 AM

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It's such an impossible theoretical thing you could do

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Like Isma's route any%

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Someone legit asked me when I'm gonna run the Isma's route and like

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Why?

grizzled maple Mar 26, 2021, 4:21 AM

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Fire fans 🥴

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:22 AM

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Even Fire had that issue apparently

grizzled maple Mar 26, 2021, 4:22 AM

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Just link them his tweet about it

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:22 AM

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"This is almost impossible and requires multiple frame perfect inputs"

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"So you'll do it in runs now?"

grizzled maple Mar 26, 2021, 4:22 AM

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https://twitter.com/fireb0rn/status/1371682305094262785?s=19

fireb0rn (@fireb0rn)

Me: It's a trick that's never been done in a run. It requires fifty frame perfect inputs in a row. Only one player has ever performed the trick in the history of the game. It probably doesn't even save any time.

Commenters: So you're gonna start using it in runs now, right?

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stray kestrel Mar 26, 2021, 4:23 AM

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twitch chat: *isnt very smart*
youtube comments: hold my ~~beer~~ juice box

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:23 AM

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Trust me, it'll be faster for console 1.5 any%

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Spore Shroom is gonna go rip

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Never useful for anything again

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Or TC will break something like Glowing Womb so each one deals like 200 damage to THK

grizzled maple Mar 26, 2021, 4:26 AM

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Then we could dashmaster gwomb skip ShroomPog

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:27 AM

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But that'd route out epogo

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Unless we get claw then dashmaster

grizzled maple Mar 26, 2021, 4:27 AM

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No you'd get claw and save quit on the charm

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I tried very hard to get this in nice% lol

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We still do early mantis lords tho hollowD

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:28 AM

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So you can get MoP

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That's great, MoP makes tiktik pogo free

grizzled maple Mar 26, 2021, 4:28 AM

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3 notches tho

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:28 AM

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nice% just gets Shade Soul for damage right?

grizzled maple Mar 26, 2021, 4:29 AM

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You'd use shaman and dashmaster basically all run. I just used twister instead because I hate dashmaster

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Shade soul is a fast % too

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I think it gets all the spells

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:29 AM

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And skips the hive

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It's basically the perfect category

grizzled maple Mar 26, 2021, 4:30 AM

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It really is

cold geyser Mar 26, 2021, 4:33 AM

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would ismas route even be faster for tas?

grizzled maple Mar 26, 2021, 4:34 AM

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No

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:34 AM

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For a cp TAS if the game was TASable, still no

cold geyser Mar 26, 2021, 4:34 AM

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that’s what i had thought, just wanted to confirm

grizzled maple Mar 26, 2021, 4:35 AM

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Cdash is just fast for movement on top of being fast to get

cold geyser Mar 26, 2021, 4:35 AM

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the game isn’t completely untasable, there’s that one sweet p5 tas. i know that is probably different cause it’s a boss rush and not gameplay, but still

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not to imply there will be an any% tas any time soon (or ever) though

dry sluice Mar 26, 2021, 4:35 AM

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ismas was theoretically faster before 2 cycle was discovered, now its just significantly slower

hallow orchid Mar 26, 2021, 4:35 AM

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If spire pogo was patched maybe it would be faster to skip cdash

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:36 AM

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spire pogo is intended though

cold geyser Mar 26, 2021, 4:36 AM

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would there ever exist an any% route where fury is worth it?

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sorry if these are, like, dumb questions

hallow orchid Mar 26, 2021, 4:36 AM

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Not likely. It takes too long to get and you'd need to overcharm to make use of it

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Only chance is something like CP any% where it would allow a 2 cycle uumuu

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:37 AM

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cp any% PC would optimally get Fury but you'd have to use it for every boss and big red guy overcharmed with Shaman

cold geyser Mar 26, 2021, 4:37 AM

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makes sense, i know it’s not viable to do in runs even if it’s faster

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:38 AM

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Also overcharmed QGA sounds very ass

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There's this fun unusable 112 strat where after getting dreamgate you overcharm Grimmchild, Twister and Shaman then keep that overcharm until the Grimm fight

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4 damage Enraged Guardian

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 4:43 AM

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I'm looking at scr and I see '106% TE' that's the normal 106 run right?

steady lynx Mar 26, 2021, 4:43 AM

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Yeah, that's 106%

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It just murders the Radiance for fun and also fights NKG

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The fight is less than a minute because of flukes

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 4:46 AM

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I want to throw flukes at enemies grubhappy

dapper cove Mar 26, 2021, 4:55 AM

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stray kestrel twitch chat: *isnt very smart\* youtube comments: hold my ~~beer~~ juice box

take a look at my discord status

stray kestrel Mar 26, 2021, 4:56 AM

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if you really like flukes check out 100% te nmms mathulStonks

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 4:58 AM

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Oh boy, I forgot fury and overcharming was a thing I'd need to do.

stray kestrel Mar 26, 2021, 4:59 AM

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you got invuln tho so its free

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with nmms that is

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 5:01 AM

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I was talking more about 106%, I haven't even look at a glitched run yet.

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But invuln sounds like something I'll need to not die to fury grubsad

hallow orchid Mar 26, 2021, 5:05 AM

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You don't have to overcharm fury when you start learning 1xx

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It doesn't save all that much time

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 5:06 AM

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I don't mind fury FK, but overcharmed greenpath sounds spooky.

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The dark rooms aren't too hard in all skills, I'd recommend just learning them.

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It would probably be faster to learn the dark rooms, then learn an entirely different route that gets lantern.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCXH-ajD9Dk&list=PLe3Nyw-0gXJpBqG9qLRx195qLFI3FD3_N

YouTube

PiscesFL

All Skills NMG Tutorial Part 1 Vengeful Spirit

Ask questions in the Hollow Knight discord: https://discord.gg/tqbGU89
I do runs on twitch at https://www.twitch.tv/pisces_fl

▶ Play video

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This series covers the whole run in a lot of detail.

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If you just want to dark rooms, skip around.

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I always forget to mention that, ty.

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The dark rooms should be the same tho.

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Since you're on PC, you could always downpatch to 1.2.2.1.

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But there's nothing wrong with starting out on CP.

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I'm not too sure about CP resources, but I'm sure there are people in here who can point you in the right direction.

hallow orchid Mar 26, 2021, 5:18 AM

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Plenty of runners here do run on CP, so feel free to ask. All Skills is pretty different and we have a few different routes to use so there aren't as definitive resources

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 5:20 AM

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The spike tunnel?

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The spike tunnel 🙂

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The whole skip is known as ismas skip.

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I'm not the best person to ask about this, but as far as I know, setting up the auto splitter should remove the loads.

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There's a guide on speedrun.com that'll help you set it up.

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 6:20 AM

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Every time I watch a 1xx run and I see them buy steady body before shaman stone, it gives me a heart attack, because I think they messed up.

cursive jacinth Mar 26, 2021, 6:56 AM

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livesplit keeps track of both real and loadless times

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 8:34 AM

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When I pogo off the false knight geo chest, my game freaks out and freezes for a second, it doesn't happen when I side slash it, is that just 1221 being broken?

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 9:13 AM

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Gusten would be proud shroompog

normal aspen Mar 26, 2021, 9:15 AM

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Australian hornet peepoArrive

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 9:36 AM

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M∀HS

jagged vault Mar 26, 2021, 9:41 AM

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lmao

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that one took my sleepy brain a couple seconds haha

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 9:47 AM

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Wait, I got her stuck up on the gate as well, but reset my save state before I could get a ss grubsad

jagged vault Mar 26, 2021, 9:48 AM

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yeah, if she gets stuck in the gate it's a softlock unfortunately

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 9:48 AM

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Oh really? Good thing it seems to be rare.

jagged vault Mar 26, 2021, 9:49 AM

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it's preventable to an extent, since you can know her trajectory if you have a feel for the fight

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it only happens if she gets finished and lands there in the middle of her fight end animation

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 9:50 AM

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Ah okay, makes sense, I've only just started getting used to stunlocking her so it's never been an issue before.

jagged vault Mar 26, 2021, 9:50 AM

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the animation freezes and the fight never ends

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so if you see her heading that way while she's low on health or like 1 hit away, you can slightly delay the final hit to make sure

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 9:54 AM

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I'm glad I've practice hornet 2 so much, when I first start practicing hornet 1 today, it looked like she was moving in slow motion grubhappy

jagged vault Mar 26, 2021, 9:56 AM

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yeah, making my brain separate hornet 1 and 2 as well as Broken Vessel and Lost Kin is something i'm generally pretty bad at

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 9:58 AM

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Yeah, it actually took me a while to get used to h1's timings again. I'd keep jumping into her attacks before she made them and instantly die grubsad

jagged vault Mar 26, 2021, 9:59 AM

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what i did to fix that was run Aluba% for a day haha

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instant earlygame fixer

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 10:00 AM

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What's Aluba% ?

jagged vault Mar 26, 2021, 10:01 AM

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meme category, kill an aluba as fast as possible.

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 10:01 AM

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... What's an aluba?

jagged vault Mar 26, 2021, 10:01 AM

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the floaty ones that vibe at lake of unn and outside white lady

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passive bugs

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 10:01 AM

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Ahhhhhh, okay.

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What do you need to get there, just dash and claw?

jagged vault Mar 26, 2021, 10:02 AM

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so it's pretty much any% earlygame without Vengefly king

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not even claw

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just rush hornet, kill her, don't quit out, dash to lake of unn

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then fireball the aluba

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 10:02 AM

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Ohhhh, yeah, tey're right next to hornet, I forgot about that.

normal aspen Mar 26, 2021, 10:02 AM

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and both aluba% nmg and aluba% cp have extremely cute wr holders

jagged vault Mar 26, 2021, 10:03 AM

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^

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indeed

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 10:04 AM

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Oh? I don't see it on src, I might be dumb.

onyx spade Mar 26, 2021, 10:04 AM

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speaking of aluba%, are there notes drifting around for al2ba% ?

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 10:05 AM

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And what do you mean? All hk speedrunners are cute grublove

jagged vault Mar 26, 2021, 10:08 AM

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it's on the category extensions/meme category leaderboards

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speedrun.com/hkmemes

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 10:08 AM

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i'm assuming al2ba% requires killing a second aluba ?

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the one in qg

jagged vault Mar 26, 2021, 10:08 AM

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yup! killing two alubas

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 10:08 AM

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fond rando memories

jagged vault Mar 26, 2021, 10:09 AM

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onyx spade speaking of aluba%, are there notes drifting around for al2ba% ?

sorry i don't have any but i just wanna say great pun shroompog

onyx spade Mar 26, 2021, 10:09 AM

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omg I didn't even realise

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I mean that was intended

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 10:09 AM

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haha

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i was wondering, in rando you can kill the second aluba from the room behind (so you don't have to kill tl)
does it still work on current patch ?

onyx spade Mar 26, 2021, 10:10 AM

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I don't see why not

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like with shade soul?

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 10:11 AM

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ye

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since it doesn't look like an intended interaction, there was a chance it got fixed last patch
but maybe tc doesn't care how we kill alubas

onyx spade Mar 26, 2021, 10:14 AM

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I thought shade soul going through walls is intended, maybe I don't know the aluba kill well enough though

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 10:14 AM

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I might just be hearing incorrectly, but I think I just triple hit hornet, is that even possible?

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 10:15 AM

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onyx spade I thought shade soul going through walls is intended, maybe I don't know the alu...

or maybe it's me

hardy crown Mar 26, 2021, 10:16 AM

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Shade Soul going through walls is intended, I think?

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But normal Vengeful Spirit is not.

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 10:17 AM

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i can't remember for sure if you can kill that aluba with vs as well

elfin ice Mar 26, 2021, 10:39 AM

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What are the best categories for current patch ?

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 10:40 AM

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not 106 zote

onyx spade Mar 26, 2021, 10:40 AM

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spelless zote

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 10:41 AM

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it's subjective, i'm pretty sure you can run nearly any category on cp

onyx spade Mar 26, 2021, 10:41 AM

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106 cp gorbbrain

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 10:41 AM

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nearly any nmg category rather

jagged vault Mar 26, 2021, 10:41 AM

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Any% current patch is the most popular CP category

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It’s very similar to 1221 in terms of route

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Just some tricks that cannot be performwd

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 10:43 AM

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no inventory drops, no lever skips, epogo has a different setup
am i missing something ?

onyx spade Mar 26, 2021, 10:43 AM

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THK is harder on CP

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 10:43 AM

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oh and uumuu can't be 2-cycled as far as we know, and thk is harder ye

hardy crown Mar 26, 2021, 10:43 AM

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112 is pretty good for current patch.

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🙂

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Wait can Uumuu not be 2-cycled on current patch?

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Does Uumuu have buffed health or something?

elfin ice Mar 26, 2021, 10:45 AM

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Thanks so much guys! I’m just really wanting to get into speed running but I know I can’t downpatch unless I get a good pc, can’t risk my laptop bricking itself rn

jagged vault Mar 26, 2021, 10:45 AM

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Bouncier

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And does not get stuck on platforms

elfin ice Mar 26, 2021, 10:45 AM

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Bouncy girl uuwuu

onyx spade Mar 26, 2021, 10:45 AM

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elfin ice Thanks so much guys! I’m just really wanting to get into speed running but I kno...

same

jagged vault Mar 26, 2021, 10:45 AM

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As well as being knocked back by dreamnail

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 10:45 AM

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Alright, no equipment brooding mawlek is cursed.

onyx spade Mar 26, 2021, 10:45 AM

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4ms is the cat for you then 🙂

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 10:46 AM

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molten aurora Alright, no equipment brooding mawlek is cursed.

laughs in rando

hardy crown Mar 26, 2021, 10:46 AM

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Isn't All Skills current patch a thing too?

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Or do I completely misremember?

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 10:46 AM

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onyx spade 4ms is the cat for you then 🙂

That's actually what I'm messing around with now.

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 10:47 AM

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it is

onyx spade Mar 26, 2021, 10:47 AM

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all skills current patch peepoArrive

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 10:47 AM

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i haven't seen any runs of it i saw it on sr.com

jagged vault Mar 26, 2021, 10:47 AM

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All skills current patch exists

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The route is a bit different though

onyx spade Mar 26, 2021, 10:47 AM

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src has a section for as cp

jagged vault Mar 26, 2021, 10:48 AM

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Leverskip to shade soul is an important part of 1221 AS

onyx spade Mar 26, 2021, 10:48 AM

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emilitia route 👀

jagged vault Mar 26, 2021, 10:48 AM

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And is not possible on cp

frank obsidian Mar 26, 2021, 10:50 AM

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debug% peepoArrive

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 10:51 AM

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molten aurora Alright, no equipment brooding mawlek is cursed.

I killed him after about 10 attempts, I though 4ms would take 10-15 mins to pick up grubsad

frank obsidian Mar 26, 2021, 10:51 AM

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no skills BM is a nightmare

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 10:52 AM

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what ms do you get ?

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mawlek and goam maze i'd assume

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 10:53 AM

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Mawlek, goam, sly, grubs.

frank obsidian Mar 26, 2021, 10:53 AM

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You get the BM shard, the Shard by the goams, the one for saving 5 grubs grublove and the one from sly

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 10:53 AM

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oke ty

frank obsidian Mar 26, 2021, 10:54 AM

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Time to run debug% on 2 hours of sleep due to stress related issues before my Mandarin test

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vesselsip

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 10:54 AM

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which is the 5th grub you get ?

hardy crown Mar 26, 2021, 10:55 AM

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Aren't there 5 grubs in crossroads?

onyx spade Mar 26, 2021, 10:55 AM

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yeah, you get all 5 grubs in crossroads

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 10:55 AM

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one is weird to access

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do you shade skip to it or is there a consistent setup ?

digital jewel Mar 26, 2021, 10:55 AM

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Weird how?

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Oh that grub you just pogo a fly to

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 10:56 AM

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you need to pogo a vengefly

frank obsidian Mar 26, 2021, 10:56 AM

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Grubs grublove

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 10:56 AM

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ye

frank obsidian Mar 26, 2021, 10:56 AM

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oh yeah and sometimes the goam eats it

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 10:56 AM

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but i don't know if there is a consistent setup to get the vengefly in a pogoing position

digital jewel Mar 26, 2021, 10:56 AM

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Yes there is

frank obsidian Mar 26, 2021, 10:56 AM

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How do you prevent the goam from eating it for breakfast is the real question

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 10:56 AM

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ok need to learn that then

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i remember griefing my rando race teammate by getting stuck in that room for god knows how long last time i participated

hardy crown Mar 26, 2021, 10:57 AM

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If you pogo the goams you'll be far enough up that the vengefly hopefully will avoid the goams.

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Sometimes you can't prevent that and that just kills runs, unfortunately.

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 10:59 AM

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Alright, 4ms is just brooding mawlek%, change my mind.

knotty vigil Mar 26, 2021, 11:01 AM

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Hi guys, I’m thinking about speedrunning Hollow Knight Any% NMG on my switch but I was just wondering what the differences are to pc as the best times are drastically worse on switch

onyx spade Mar 26, 2021, 11:01 AM

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switch times include loads since you can't measure loadless on switch currently

knotty vigil Mar 26, 2021, 11:02 AM

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ah right, so all strats and routes are the same on switch?

onyx spade Mar 26, 2021, 11:02 AM

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yes for any% CP, I suggest watching mathulu as he's been running any% switch recently 🙂

knotty vigil Mar 26, 2021, 11:02 AM

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Thank you so much!

molten aurora Mar 26, 2021, 11:08 AM

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Okay when I don't try to kill him like Monstah, BM really isn't too hard.

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 11:25 AM

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first attempt

elfin ice Mar 26, 2021, 11:25 AM

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Nice !

frank obsidian Mar 26, 2021, 11:25 AM

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hey speedrun.com mods

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 11:26 AM

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run was fun but i kept killing that vengefly on accident

frank obsidian Mar 26, 2021, 11:26 AM

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question

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so every time theres a cutscene my game lags and freezes because its under a lot of pressure streaming on twitch. so is my run still good or does my bad pc do me in?

kind flume Mar 26, 2021, 11:29 AM

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Check this, fluffy: https://pastebin.com/z5qVqnSQ

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Not an answer, but might help

neat swallow Mar 26, 2021, 11:30 AM

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Practicing all skills Rn (on cp) and I just got up to gorgeous husk, should I keep going through the tub and practice or start again and get better at the first bit?

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 11:30 AM

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keep going

kind flume Mar 26, 2021, 11:30 AM

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Generally it's good to practice the whole run at first. When you know the route well and know your weak points, you can target those for more practice

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 11:31 AM

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especially for beginners, the bosses that come after are the best places to save time

frank obsidian Mar 26, 2021, 11:31 AM

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Finished my run hollowD

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22min 26sec

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 11:31 AM

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grand elm

i win :^)

neat swallow Mar 26, 2021, 11:31 AM

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kind flume Generally it's good to practice the whole run at first. When you know the route ...

Ok thanks

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Yeah that’s what I was thinking

frank obsidian Mar 26, 2021, 11:33 AM

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how do i submit run

neat swallow Mar 26, 2021, 11:34 AM

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Hahah ok

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 11:34 AM

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1/post it on youtube or something similar
2/ submit it to src, it should be pretty self-explanatory
3/ wait

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also am i the only one for which src doesn't work today ?

frank obsidian Mar 26, 2021, 11:34 AM

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can it be a twitch vod

wicked trench Mar 26, 2021, 11:34 AM

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frank obsidian can it be a twitch vod

not the whole VoD but if you segment only the run is fine

neat swallow Mar 26, 2021, 11:35 AM

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I have posted one run on speedrun.com and it was a red ball 4 speedrun for IOS so that was pretty poggers

kind flume Mar 26, 2021, 11:35 AM

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It has to be permanently hosted

jagged vault Mar 26, 2021, 11:35 AM

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you need to have the vod permantly available

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you can do this by highlighting it

frank obsidian Mar 26, 2021, 11:36 AM

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guys how do i set it so i live in 2 states

grand elm Mar 26, 2021, 11:36 AM

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not important

frank obsidian Mar 26, 2021, 11:36 AM

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😦

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okay fine anyway how do i highlight it

onyx spade Mar 26, 2021, 11:37 AM

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go to video editor in the twitch channel manager, click on the vod then click highlight

frank obsidian Mar 26, 2021, 11:38 AM

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what is a custom badge in my profile

jagged vault Mar 26, 2021, 11:38 AM

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just visual flair

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not really relevant

frank obsidian Mar 26, 2021, 11:38 AM

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where is twitch channel manager

onyx spade Mar 26, 2021, 11:39 AM

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on twitch homepage, you can click on your profile on the top right, video producer and creator dashboard are there

kind flume Mar 26, 2021, 11:40 AM

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here's a guide from twitch for the whole process: https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/creating-highlights-and-stream-markers?language=en_US

frank obsidian Mar 26, 2021, 11:40 AM

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onyx spade on twitch homepage, you can click on your profile on the top right, video produc...

which one do i click on

onyx spade Mar 26, 2021, 11:40 AM

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video producer

frank obsidian Mar 26, 2021, 11:41 AM

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ok i clicked highlight