speedrunning

[graceful helm]

i didnt know that

thanks

i thought some messages would come up or sum

[normal aspen]

if you want to be sure its stil going, the folder size will keep going up

[molten aurora]

Yeah it's pretty strange, it will tell you when it's finished downloaded though.

[normal aspen]

bt yeah it looks like its ding nothing til it says its done

[desert kiln]

this fall is actually so fun what

just the proximity to spikes is so weird

to quote someone in this channel before: hk hitboxes are weird

[jagged vault]

Yeah that one is neat, it’s cool that there happens to be just enough wiggle room to drop through

[stiff delta]

this game is broken

[desert kiln]

a g r e e d

laughs in any%

the spikes killing thk is crazy

i watched one run and had to put down my phone

[stiff delta]

glitched categories are sick

[desert kiln]

also menu

[stiff delta]

lowkey nmms is more fun to watch though

super fun

[desert kiln]

nmms?

what's that?

[hearty adder]

No main menu storage

[desert kiln]

oh

[knotty vigil]

All Glitches drops a mountain on THK
This is the height of entertainment

[stiff delta]

its the microwave sound

nmmmmmmmmmms

[desert kiln]

that's why the menu was the star of the show

any% yes main menu storage

ymms

[hearty adder]

All Glitches uses mms

[desert kiln]

yup

[knotty vigil]

How fast should my PoP before submitting? My best is 3:45 so far.

[normal aspen]

i mean someone submitted an 8 min time

[stiff delta]

as fast as you want

[thorn jasper]

I submitted a slower PoP time ¯_(ツ)_/¯ (*I'm reading that as 3m45s)

[stiff delta]

if youve got a recording and its good enough for you then whatever

[jagged vault]

There’s no requirement- submit when you want to!

[hearty adder]

There is no speed threshold you need to reach before submitting a run to any category

Just submit when you're ready to

[stray kestrel]

some people like to submit for the pb history, so you can look back and see your progression

[short spire]

3 hours 45 minutes is a pretty good beginner time

definitely submit it

[molten aurora]

At what point would no verifier want to touch a run? Like a 24hr any% run maybe?

[grizzled maple]

i mean, if it's single segment, and follows the rules, the mods likely won't reject it

but they probably wont watch every second of a stupid long run either

[haughty fossil]

any 10x speed and do something else simulator

[lone pebble]

The only reason mods will reject long runs is if it doesn't have the intention of going fast that's what Ive learnt from celeste

[grizzled maple]

only some games are strict about that

[thorn jasper]

there's a 24hr king's pass shitpost on the boards

[grizzled maple]

i know for a fact hk has verified achievement runs on the board in the past

there used to be a like 8 hour any% time too. idk if they yeeted it

[haughty fossil]

verulean moment

[molten aurora]

What's if I was close to WR but talked to elder bug? Intentional time loss ∴ not taking run seriously, would it get yeeted

[knotty vigil]

Yes, that's read right!

[grizzled maple]

shame his 70 hour run isnt there anymore

[neon island]

Veru had a 70 hour run?

lmao

[grizzled maple]

yes

[haughty fossil]

that was for good reason tho

[grizzled maple]

it required bird farming to get dgate to get out of uumuu after glitching in

[haughty fossil]

low% nSooB

iirc

[knotty vigil]

What happened to the 70 hour run?!

[haughty fossil]

category got yeeted

[knotty vigil]

[haughty fossil]

so it's on an excel sheet somewhere

[grizzled maple]

the category no long exists because worse glitches were found

what is currently NMMS used to be all glitches

and the midcategories just had to die

[knotty vigil]

How fast is proper all glitches now?

[grizzled maple]

i mean, its a ruleset. it applies to every category

so idk how to answer that

[haughty fossil]

if you mean any% all glitches, like 11mins off the top of my head

[grizzled maple]

wasnt it 8

[haughty fossil]

9:32

apparently both of us are 🥴

[grizzled maple]

we were both off

[knotty vigil]

Wowzers

[grizzled maple]

yeah mms was so broken it shifted the entire board

[stiff delta]

its cool the first time you see it

Thats it

[grizzled maple]

and ndlg and nsoob werent as popular

[knotty vigil]

32 minutes for speedrunning this game is incredible

[stiff delta]

It can go down to 31

but thats a hard maybe

[grizzled maple]

you should uhh watch the end of that AG any% run

its probably my favorite glitch used in hk runs

[stiff delta]

yea that dupe is sick

At least i think its called a dupe

[haughty fossil]

smh they still don't incorporate the black egg door storage in runs 😤

[grizzled maple]

just the hollow knight instadying is hilarious to me

[normal aspen]

serena quote moment

[stiff delta]

Lmao

[thorn jasper]

...what?

[stiff delta]

Any%

ag

The thk fight

[thorn jasper]

omg

lol

[haughty fossil]

ok that's my new permanent name for that dupe

amazing

[knotty vigil]

[molten aurora]

What have I done? And how do I never do it again.

[knotty vigil]

Thou hast ascended beyond the chains that so vex mortal man and are now liberated to move unconstrained!

[haughty fossil]

video won't load but debug is on, is it bench storage? like press jump and and you fly up?

[molten aurora]

It's basically like I have no clip, without no clip turned on.

It wasn't from a bench though.

[haughty fossil]

did you load saves tate after dying

[molten aurora]

Yeah.

[haughty fossil]

wait until Knight wakes up first

before pressing load saves tate I mean

[molten aurora]

Ahh okay, so it's save states freaking out, which means I can't do it in a run, good to know.

[haughty fossil]

yeah pretty much, there's like 1 other way to accidentally get bench storage in NMG so you're pretty safe hopefully

[knotty vigil]

Alas, whilst thou'rt beyond physical law, the iron rod of the judge of the run preventeth thee from flying freely. 'Tis a shame.

[molten aurora]

Speaking of major glitches, if one were to happen in a run unintentionally, if I just saved and quit, I would still be okay right?

[grizzled maple]

If you don't gain any advantage then it's usually fine if you fix it

if you get the ddark one for example, just leave the room and rebench and youll lose bench storage

there are some major glitches that are hard bans though, an example of that is doing the early control too early after kings brand

[molten aurora]

Yep, makes sense.

[knotty vigil]

What's the early control?

exactly what it says on the tin, I suppose

[grizzled maple]

you release the nail art too early and get control while invisible

which is big MG

[molten aurora]

You know, learning all the glitches might be a good idea, then I'll know how to do them and more importantly, how to avoid them.

[haughty fossil]

there's a few

[grizzled maple]

idk if it's necessary. There's not too many you'd run into without actively trying to be broke

[knotty vigil]

It is NMG; if you accidentally get a minor glitch, I don't think that kills you

[molten aurora]

Knowing my luck I'd be on really good pace and get a glitch that kills my run

Also, learning a glitched category sounds fun as well.

[median gull]

Any glitch that happens accidentally and doesn't give you any advantage is fine and won't dq your run.

[slim geyser]

Glitched categories are done on a different patch because they became much harder to do on 1221, the normal nmg speed patch

If you get out of bounds accidentally be sure to let us know because that would be wild

[dry sluice]

they're not really much harder on 1221

all 1221 is missing is opening map during transitions basically

[desert kiln]

Yeah if you accidentally get inventory storage in a 1.2.2.1 run, is it automatically invalid?

[dry sluice]

if you do anything with it yes

[desert kiln]

Aright

[lucid stirrup]

yo

anyone else's dgate not splitting?

[neon island]

I mean, last time I used my 106% splits, it worked fine

[olive rivet]

Hi there !
I followed the speedrun. com guide to have multiple versions of the game (patched and downpatch) and I was wondering if I could delete the file it was dowloaded in (Steam\steamapps\content\app_367520\depot_367521), or would it mess everything up ?
(it's located on C and I'd like to keep it without video games inside)

[true palm]

the hollowknightData folder and hollow_knight.exe aren't necessary, but i do recommend keeping a 1221 backup because its fairly easy to screw up 1221 installs and downpatching isnt fun

so if you want to move them to a new drive or something thats chill

[olive rivet]

Thanks !

[dusk portal]

What's the name of the KP Door Autosplit? I changed my settings and cannot find it

[haughty fossil]

kings pass (area)

nerds ordered splits

[limpid ruin]

Nerds

But yea, that

It's the best autosplit, tbh

[dusk portal]

What does ordered splits?

[limpid ruin]

Basically it makes sure the autosplitter only checks one autosplit for each livesplit split, so it manages to check properly for transitions, bc hollow knight and the autosplitter are basically equally jank

So extra bandaids are needed 🥴

[dusk portal]

So I don't need to change the other splits?

[limpid ruin]

Nah, not if they're properly set up in order already

[haughty fossil]

I'm on mobile leave me alone

[worthy nova]

Hey guys, i may be interested in learning to run the game, but i dont really know where to start for a beginner, all skills look great for beginner but i was wondering if any% with a few adjustements like a nail upgrade or something would be okay too, if anyone has any advice on where to start :p

[short spire]

those are both good options

there's no one right category to start with so just go with what looks fun to you

there's lots of resources in the pins here as well as in the guides section on speedrun.com

[somber cedar]

yeah, what ax said. any% is shorter which is easier on the attention span, but has significantly harder boss fights. All Skills is longer, and you focus more on movement, in comparison (because you're overpowered in most fights)

both have really good guides too, and people around here are super helpful

[worthy nova]

Well i was more interested in any% at first, but im afraid WK will kill my soul, and i dont really know what is okay to do (not to slow) to make them easier, is it an option to get a nail upgrade or maybe shade soul i dont know ?

[jagged vault]

Getting a nail upgrade is a valid option for beginners

it's only like 2 min slower

either way, watchers are a big roadblock regardless, and are gonna take a lot of practice to get good at

[fair island]

You can collect the wanderers journal above mantis claw and follow this route for nail upgrade

[wicked trench]

if you downpatch in 1221 I guess you can get dashslash and lever skip
(for the fireball2)

[old obsidian]

shade soul makes wk v comfy

[worthy nova]

Hmm okay i think ill try with the nail upgrade and see how it goes, thanks for the help guys !

[jagged vault]

gl!

[hexed galleon]

speedrunning hk seems to be lotta interessing

gl y'all

[grand token]

I wonder how slow is for beginners going Dash slash -> shade soul -> WK, the problem i guess is geo routing

[true palm]

its not the worst, you pick up rafters seal, hoppers and mantis journal

pretty similar to nail 1

its still decently slow, but its incredibly comfy, as shade soul doubles your VS damage

shoot you also pick up a journal in greenpath

and one other thing i forgot

[grand token]

Yeah, I guess nail 1 is faster than shade soul, the latter being much easier on fights

Even though Uumuu nail0 and ss should be pretty fast (1 cycle maybe?)

[true palm]

its a harder set up without wings, if its possible

i dont think it is though, or would require an undiscovered setup

and nail1 uumuu 2 cycle is pretty comfy

shade soul / nail1 is actually not that huge of a difference, damagewise, you already do 12 extra with 3 nailswings on nail 1, shade soul increases damage by 20, the only real damage increase on shade soul comes from when you actually hit both the knights, which by the time you're doing that the fights pretty easy anyway

[grand token]

Anyway I guess both of the options add less than 5 min of time if done well

[true palm]

i strongly believe the reason people struggle with any% watcher knights is they're not using vs enough anyway, which nai1 helps with

[grand token]

I should try one of them, but I'm kind of stubborn in wanting to learn wk nail0

[true palm]

as such i stand by that people should avoid shade soul, and if they need a comfier fight just do nail1

[hallow orchid]

You can one cycle with shade soul nail 0 even without wings. The all skills setup doesnt exactly work because no wings but you can pretty much set up the same thing with just claw and dash

[true palm]

in that case shade soul would be all right if you could get the one cycle

[normal aspen]

Shade soul you can also do xd cycle for a 1 cycle

[leaden python]

yeah I did wingless shade soul 1 cycle offline just to see how it goes

It's pretty awkward but doable

[jaunty anvil]

dear chums , how does 1 go about finding the sum of best segments ?

[somber cedar]

you can add it as a new line in your livesplit layout

[jaunty anvil]

is there a way to do it w/o editing the layout

[somber cedar]

I don't think so. I guess you could upload to splits i/o, they probably show sob too

[jaunty anvil]

ah thanks

[dull lion]

While we’re on the topic of live split, how do people get the best possible time thing that updates as the run goes on? I’ve looked a good bit for it and can’t seem to find it

[haughty fossil]

iirc it's a submember of "Run Prediction"

[short spire]

information -> run prediction
in the settings for that change comparison to best segments

[haughty fossil]

irc!!!!!

[dull lion]

Thanks

[molten aurora]

My quick cast inputs are getting eaten like crazy today

[frank cobalt]

after learning both, I'd heavily say that All Skills is a better beginner category. It introduces you to so much more of the game, and there are way fewer "run killers" than in any%. It also forces you to really focus on your movement, and I preach up and down that good boss fights are overwhelmingly just good movement.

there's things to make the any% route more easy, nail 1, deepnest route, etc., but I still think All Skills teaches better overall understanding of the game.

(potentially unpopular opinion - nail 1 really doesn't make any of the difficult parts of the run any easier)

[grand token]

That seems really good advice, still I'll stick to any% for now, as it overall feels a smaller time commitment in learning the route, but I'm definitely in for learning all skills sometimes in the future

[frank cobalt]

yeah for sure. I started with any% as well and I'd say I turned out fine 🙂

fwiw though, holy crap did AS help my movement. after 3 months of AS I've come back to any% recently and am COMFORTABLY averaging 15 or more seconds ahead of my old PB at the midway point

[regal viper]

Today I did my first pop "run" without DDark and without Shade Soul

Just 40 minutes

[grand token]

Anyway having just started I can't say I'll not get frustrated enough with wk that I'll change category, that's in the realm of possibility for sure

[frank cobalt]

people start with all sorts of things. we recently had a runner start with low% even

[regal viper]

I'm going to keep doing pop until I get sub 10 or so

[grand token]

I think I've just seen one run of low% and THAT fireball skip seems insane for a beginner

[frank cobalt]

haha

it's a fun one

crystal heart room without dash is very sketch

[molten aurora]

As a beginner I can say that the all skills route was very easy for me to learn, I got it down in a day. So if you decide you hate wk too much, I can definitely recommend AS

[grand token]

I'm pretty stubborn and I just practiced wk for like 3-4hours total, I'll get a better idea around the 15/20hour mark I guess

[frank cobalt]

To give a realistic expectation - most top runners have probably put ~100 hours into that fight if not even way more

it's an excruciatingly difficult fight to do well

don't get discouraged or give up ❤️

[fierce pelican]

Can someone say me how to do the initial glitch?

[frank cobalt]

do you mean the inventory drop into king's pass?

[fierce pelican]

Yes

[frank cobalt]

first question - what patch are you on?

[fierce pelican]

Let me check, im new at this

I just start yesterday

[frank cobalt]

ah, if you haven't downpatched then you're probably on current patch

if that's the case - you can't do it

[fierce pelican]

Oh

I play on xbox

[frank cobalt]

ah, then yeah definitely can't do that trick. it's been patched out

[fierce pelican]

Do you have a guide to do it in console?

[frank cobalt]

I personally do not, but what I'd recommend is going to the speedrun.com boards and watching some of the top console runs

[fierce pelican]

Oh, ok thanks

[vocal dove]

console is locked to current patch so you can't do mid air inventory drops

[grand token]

I guess you cannot downpatch in console, so that trick unfortunately is not doable

[frank cobalt]

for running on CP/Console, Jamie has this guide:
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/gq0g3

one thing to note is that Console runs are all timed RTA, whereas PC runs are timed loadless

so certain strats you find may not be completely relevant

I can't think of any of the top of my head, but something to be aware of

[fair island]

Like Falling down before seer arives?

[thorn jasper]

you still want to go for seer skip on cp/console if you aren't quitting out after dreamnail

oh, nevermind, you're talking about the entrance. yeah don't do that one

that doesn't even save loadless time on current patch on pc iirc

anything where pc does a save/quit strictly to save loadless time is probably not worth on console. e.g. the s/q after getting shade cloak, or possibly an s/q from grimm to dirtmouth bench

[hallow orchid]

yeah in categories that get dream gate often save/quits should be replaced with dream gates

outside of that if you can get back to the S&Q spot in ~30s or less it's not worth on switch

[sonic crane]

Leaving the screen and returning to toll benches is also timeloss in RTA

[vocal dove]

i was under the impression that it isn't worth it to go for seer skip on console because of how hard it is to get.

the pause and failing it loses time opposed to just waiting to get up normally

i think i've only seen console seer skip once ever

[distant temple]

hi frens, can i get the speedrunner role? just got my first verified run!
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/ylojdd2y

[hallow orchid]

wooo congrats Thistle

[distant temple]

thanks math!

[stiff delta]

This is a new record

Never seen them take like 20 minutes or so

A testament to how good the mods are

[hallow orchid]

it just depends entirely on whether they're actively reading this discord when the message is posted

[hearty adder]

Yoooo sick time

[stiff delta]

I remember when i first joined i said “can i get role” and then ax pinged src mods and bam

Mods are cute

[limpid ruin]

Yoooooo thistle gg

[distant temple]

thanks!! ||though just missed that 69th place , gonna need 2 people to bop me pls||

thanks cerp!

[formal bough]

somebody had an unrecorded pb that would be 69th and so they are sad that they missed that as well lol

[limpid ruin]

Tsira

[raven roost]

Can you watch speedrunner here. Sorry if I misspell something.

[hallow orchid]

Ok I see only Xero was pinged earlier and it has been quite a while so <@&284848710960021504> can you hook thistle up with the sr role?

[stiff delta]

pavel imma be real im a little confused by the question

[true palm]

if you go to speedrun.com's hollow knight page, you can watch any speedrun you want

we also have guides there on how to get started

[thorn jasper]

and here are people currently streaming speedruns live: https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Hollow Knight?tl=7cefbf30-4c3e-4aa7-99cd-70aabb662f27

[stiff delta]

Whos that ax2u guy

[true palm]

idk might be a top runner or something, might have had some world records or something, also a real cutie i've heard

[formal bough]

Can someone please explain to me what the deal is with "Ax2u". I've heard people talk about him, but I've never seen him live. Is he a runner's myth or something? Sorry, but I don't feel like that's fair. All these runners are baiting new runners into thinking this "Ax2u" exists, while actually, it’s just fake, intended to make new runners waste time trying to watch his streams. So wr of these veterans never get broken.

[thorn jasper]

pre-emptively: please don't flood this channel with pasta. take it to #sr-offtopic if you must

[vocal dove]

mfw math got switch rekky with spore shroom

[hallow orchid]

spore shroom op

[vocal dove]

i was already considering trying for a better switch time but now i have to

[hallow orchid]

It's slower than QGA by something like 20s probably, but it's also like 30x easier than qga

also if you're willing to overcharm soul catcher for WK it's probably more worthwhile

[digital jewel]

did you time qga vs deepnest rta?

[subtle glade]

Hey, the game won't allow me to disable fullscreen, any idea why?

[fair island]

press alt enter

[hallow orchid]

not directly but I was comparing to WR which did first try QGA

[digital jewel]

are you on a modded game?

[hallow orchid]

I lost around 45 seconds going through the spore shroom route coming from monomon to trap bench

but record had a relatively slow THK so I was able to save >1 min there. I think optimally I could only save like 20s to a perfect THK with spore shroom

[dull lion]

Overcharmed any% watchers is a whole new level of cursed lol

[hallow orchid]

especially on switch lol

[dull lion]

I just got my capture card in today but I only have Xbox so I can’t try and steal it from you at least I can try and make Xbox record a spore shroom one too

[hallow orchid]

The switch record is definitely improvable. I think spore shroom route can go to a low 47, mayyyyybe even a 46

but perfect execution + playing the game at 60 fps are not a combo I want to chase

[dull lion]

Understandable lol

[hearty adder]

I'm practicing any% because I wanna try sporeshroom route, and completely forgot how bs WKs are

[subtle kite]

Congrats Ax 🙂

[indigo heart]

Getting closer to that 40min mark

[bronze anchor]

hell yeah let's go fasu

[indigo heart]

Watching you and Onmi really helps

[manic lantern]

hey, any recommendations for good beginner runs?

[ionic cargo]

all skills or any% are traditional starter speedruns

[manic lantern]

okay, thanks! are there links or guides on how to do strats etc.?

[ionic cargo]

then maybe just all skills then

[ionic cargo]

are you on pc or console?

[manic lantern]

pc

[ionic cargo]

do you know how to downpatch?

[manic lantern]

no...

will it effect current playthroughs etc.?

[haughty fossil]

dont open casual saves

other than that you're fine

[manic lantern]

aight

[haughty fossil]

you should back them up anyway just in case™️

[true palm]

backing up saves takes literally 30 seconds

theres no reason not to

[ionic cargo]

great becuase neither do I, tbh its your choise whether you run on cp or 1221. Their routes arent extremely different

[manic lantern]

okay

[true palm]

current patch is harder to run imo

at least at a high level

[ionic cargo]

well thats true with any speedrun

[true palm]

eh not necessarily

[haughty fossil]

celeste

[true palm]

sometimes in games they patch out harder tech as well

[haughty fossil]

you physically can't run on old patches of ori 2 because they wipe the leaderboards with every patch

[true palm]

yikes

[ionic cargo]

I meant any hk speedrun

[true palm]

anyways big differences between current patch and 1221 is harder inventory drops, harder epogo, no spire skip, more baldur rng, easier aspid kill, longer queens gardens, less buggy watcher knights, buffed THK

[haughty fossil]

significantly buffed* thk

like i see any% runners die to cp thk

[true palm]

if thk's a problem just spore shroom him

but yes thk is significantly harder on current patch

[manic lantern]

right, so i should backup game files and down patch. is there a link to a tutorial for the speedrun? or notes etc.?

[haughty fossil]

pins

[true palm]

check 1) pins and 2) guide section on speedrun.com

[manic lantern]

oh okay, thanks

[true palm]

one benefit to running current patch is its less optimized (obviously being newer and less popular) so that can help mentally if you plan to grind pretty hard

[ionic cargo]

thats why I run console lmao

[manic lantern]

i think ill have a look at both and see which one i want to do

[true palm]

1221 is also not toaster friendly, so make sure you have dedicated graphics and the like for it

[manic lantern]

thanks for the help peeps

[true palm]

no problem, good luck!

[granite field]

maybe 4 Mask Shards is interesting too, if you search for very short categories

[ionic cargo]

true my first category is going to be trial of the warrior

[granite field]

Pretty pog, I love colloseum

[true palm]

my first category was low% but i see you're somebody who wants to have fun

tbh collo runs look fun but i kind of hate using nail arts ngl

[pallid sage]

Aren’t collo runs mostly fury and quick slash?

[granite field]

great slash pre-shots are useful

[ionic cargo]

not necessarily, for trial of the warrior its mostly shade soul and fury, mixed with some nail arts

[granite field]

I guess cyclone is nice too

[true palm]

collo has been super optimized, so it has a nice variety of damage rotations for different waves

[pallid sage]

I guess the range helps too. Lots of spread out enemies in colosseums

[granite field]

personnaly I like nail arts in general but I understand it can be annoying to use

[ionic cargo]

thank monstahlar for that

[true palm]

eh i just hate how they feel like crap to input, mostly dash slash/great slash issues and then cyclone slash/great slash

also i really just hate jumping on controller while holding down nail, end up mashing my thumb a little too hard

[pallid sage]

It’s not much easier on keyboard

[granite field]

that's exactly what I was talking about, and somehow it isn't annoying to me lol

[pallid sage]

Although for me, dashing while holding the nail button is the tricky part

[granite field]

Idk I don't bother really

[true palm]

i'll probably avoid nail art categories as much as possible, simply because of how easy it is to misinput and because its not fun on my hands, like low% already kind of hurts sometimes with the long vertical rooms

its the repetitive motion that kind of hurts, having dashes and pogos space things out at least

[desert kiln]

uhh...

is this just debug mod being weird?

probably

but is it funny?

yes

[thorn jasper]

wallcling storage is also a thing that happens in the game anyway

[desert kiln]

that is true

but just sliding down a wall?

i thought it was dashing into a despawning wall that triggered wallcling storage

[haughty fossil]

can just happen on some walls

can just happen in midair in places

[desert kiln]

woah what

more reasons to say this game is broken

[thorn jasper]

🍝

[desert kiln]

thank you for enlightening me

[desert kiln]

oh is that emoji for spaghetti code?

[thorn jasper]

basically yeah

Team Cherry Spaghetti

[desert kiln]

yep

[dapper cove]

YOOOO MY RUN GOT VERIFIED

LAST PLACE BABY

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/mk7wroly TEEHEE

[true palm]

if you dash into a gate as its dropping, you can get intentional wall cling storage for speed. If you've watched any speedruns you've probably seen it

[desert kiln]

yep, i've seen it. and done it. gruz mother and CoT bridge

ok, but:

[true palm]

that wall in particular seems pretty bugged

this is one of my favorite storages

[thorn jasper]

if you want the role you should explicitly say so

[desert kiln]

i bet you could go really far with that one

[dapper cove]

i'm just happy my run got verified dude i don't care about the role (no offense)

[true palm]

the best one for that stuff is in white palace, saves like 2 seconds to get

[thorn jasper]

cool cool just checking

[true palm]

unfortunately, hitting a mushroom cancels it usually or sends you in the wrong direction

i can only get timesave by consistently hitting the top one

we do that storage in any% steel soul

if you do it at the very top you can skip both mushrooms and land at the bottom but dumb husk bean usually hits you, his cycles messed up because of savestates

[desert kiln]

oh dang

[true palm]

if you're interested in glitches krythoms been making an any% nmms tutorial which is pretty cool

you get to do a superslide in the first 30 seconds of the run which are super satisfying

[digital jewel]

you get to attempt a superslide in the first 30 seconds*

[true palm]

fair enough

at least you get two attempts

[stray kestrel]

three if youre lucky

[dapper cove]

i'm gunna try another all skills run today to try and cut down my time

[stray kestrel]

but everytime the second vengefly comes up, you either miss them all or get it first try

[dapper cove]

after i get all schoolwork done of course bc i have a lot

[ionic cargo]

cant vengeflies only live 2 hits?

[stray kestrel]

if the other vengefly comes up with you

[true palm]

you have to kill things for superslides, not get hits afaik, but the vengefly you first pogo to skip to the platform will follow you up sometimes if you take too long to superslide

the normal backup to failing the vengefly is the crawlid but that ones a little weird because you have to get the jump as well

[thorn jasper]

https://www.twitch.tv/jenkar12 is streaming 4 mask shards nmms right now if you want to see some fun stuff

[grand elm]

apparently it's any% nmg pb day today, so i just got a new pb on current patch nmg

[dapper cove]

Congrats!

I still need to work on any% but I need to work on my watcher knights fight a lot more

I have a tier to what I need to work on because getting good at one specific run is nice but being good at the components and being able to apply it to any kind of run to me is more important

I’m not sure if I want to specialise in one kind of run or just go for any run I feel like so that’s why I’m taking that approach

[thorn jasper]

I found that grinding down a single category made me better at the game in general, and therefore gave me a better foundation for other categories

so like if you grind all skills until insert goal time, then you'll naturally be able to pick up other cats easier. probably

[dapper cove]

If that’s the case then is there one category that’s best to use as a kind of foundation

[grand elm]

thanks
that is a good approach
that being said, i don't think the any% watcher knights fight is applicable to a lot of other runs, since most categories already have ddark by the time they get to them

[dapper cove]

My goal for all skills is definitely sub 2 hours because I wasted a lot of time trying to learn the run as I went

Namely dark deep nest

[ionic cargo]

I'd personally recomend doing any run you feel like, you'll feel much happier just doing whatever you want (and less sad if you get bumped) all of this is imo

[dapper cove]

Like I currently have a solid last place in all skills

I’m in last place by around an hour and a half

I’m not trying to beat other people I’m trying to beat myself

[ionic cargo]

good mindset right there

[dapper cove]

My goal was sub 4 hours and I got it

[thorn jasper]

all skills is pretty good for this imo

[ionic cargo]

shudders in hornet 2 with 5 masks

[dapper cove]

Now I’m going for sub 2 hours considering I analysed my own run and where/how I lost time

It’s not that bad actually

It sucks I won’t deny that

But it’s honestly not that bad of a fight

[thorn jasper]

i personally find the all skills hornet 2 much more manageable than the any% watcher knights

[grand elm]

what scares me the most about as is dark deepnest

[somber cedar]

That's three rooms, and two of them are pretty easy

[thorn jasper]

my first all skills runs had lantern

[ionic cargo]

dark deepnest really isnt too bad

[dapper cove]

For me wk in any% is worse solely because I have to try juggling multiple enemies at once

With hornet I can focus on just her

[somber cedar]

analysing splits is a good point, btw, and should be so much easier

[grand elm]

for me uumuu in any% is worse because watcher knights are hard but at least they're fun

[dapper cove]

Yeah it’s more just memorising a route and there’s only three enemies in the pathing if you go quick

Wk is the bane of my existence

[somber cedar]

like, I get that livesplit is only a timer, but there's not really much in the way of .lss-analysers apart from splits.io (and idk about 9$/month for that)

[dapper cove]

I use Streamlabs obs and record the run physically

Or if there’s big things that happen I’ll make note of it

There were some bosses that I did hit less on my run and I was in shock that they were hitless

Because it’s rare for me to do a boss hitless

[thorn jasper]

i think toof meant analyzing their run, not their splits times

[somber cedar]

yeah, sorry, it just got me thinking

[dapper cove]

I want to say I did hornet1 and soul master hitless and I’m proud of that

Everything is food for thought

[somber cedar]

actually, splits.io is open source … are the premium analytics open too, or is that a closed component?

[toxic pelican]

does it matter if i get the game from microsoft instead of steam?

[limpid ruin]

When grinding for general improvement I very much support all skills, as its very wide in abilities you have access to and optimise, while also being short enough to not take hours after a bit of practice

[dapper cove]

i feel like that would do something with downpatching but i'm not sure

if it's on console then you'll be restricted to cp

where a lot of my lost time came from was dying, losing all my geo, and save quitting in spots that weren't worth it

[limpid ruin]

Definitely get it on steam or gog instead, if you can. The Microsoft one is completely different to support from the modding side, aka you lose out on both cool mods to both chill and practice with, and also downpatching if I remember correctly

[dapper cove]

i died in four locations, six times total, and lost all of my geo twice

[toxic pelican]

i thought downpatching was banned?

[dapper cove]

i lost my geo at kingdom's edge going to dashslash and trying to do ismas

[toxic pelican]

or am i an idiot

[dapper cove]

downpatching isn't banned that's how we play on 1221

[thorn jasper]

downpatching is allowed. modding is banned

[toxic pelican]

oh ok

must be thinkin of a different game

[dapper cove]

it has to be a vanilla world but you can downpatch it to whatever version you want to run on

[limpid ruin]

Nah, downpatching ain't banned. Having a misconception or being inexperienced doesn't make you an idiot either :3

[grand elm]

downpatched is a different category though

[dapper cove]

also depending on the category glitches are banned too

[limpid ruin]

There's also modded categories actually

[dapper cove]

most common categories are nmg so no major glithces are allowed there

[ionic cargo]

then there are all glitches runs

[dapper cove]

i think what imma do before my run is just try and commit dark deepnest and dark ddive rooms to memory

for me personally i don't think i'd run glitches runs because it removes the parts of the run that i find most enjoyable

[limpid ruin]

That's what I said before as well, but now I actually do have nmms any% on my to do list 👀

[dapper cove]

i don't know what nmms is lol

[grizzled maple]

no main menu storage. it's a ruleset

[dapper cove]

for me with glitches i thoroughly enjoy the challenge of having to play the game mostly as intended

oh gotcha

[grizzled maple]

basically the good glitched any%

[dapper cove]

gotcha lmao

what's the difference between nmms and nmg and all glitches

bc i've seen that but i have no clue what the differences are

[grizzled maple]

No Major Glitches - Does not do any major glitches
No Main Menu Storage - All glitches are allowed excluding Main Menu Storage
All Glitches - Whatever goes

[lone pebble]

How much geo should I have before grabbing vengeful spirit? Any% nmg

[dapper cove]

i don't know what main menu storage is

[grand elm]

is main menu storage the glitch that lets you copy godmaster save files progression ?

[grizzled maple]

That's a lot harder to explain. Essentially you store the main menu allowing you to open two files on top of each other

[stiff delta]

40-50 geo usually

[dapper cove]

gotcha

[lone pebble]

Ty

[limpid ruin]

Yea valaar

[dapper cove]

yeah i know what you mean it's basically playing two files at once right

[limpid ruin]

In short the single most game breaking glitch

[stiff delta]

the minimum is 206 after claw on 1221

220 on cp i believe

[grizzled maple]

This in the case of Any% allows you to load THK in cpeaks killing him instantly, and in the case of True Ending allows you to open a godmaster file on a fresh file, giving you all charms and skills at the beginning

its extremely broke

[dapper cove]

yeah that still doesn't seem like it's for me lmao

but power to those who enjoy it

[grizzled maple]

most people don't like MMS because of just how broken it feels

[limpid ruin]

Thank you i was starting to try to find alternative word, but you 🐌ed me

[grizzled maple]

Also NMMS has a lot more cool stuff

[stiff delta]

gottem ggs

well played

[limpid ruin]

Wr

[stiff delta]

what a save!

what a save!

what a save!

[limpid ruin]

But yea, nmms is much better for variety of stuff, and just how fun the stuff are to do, apparently. Less rng horrible stuff apparently

It's really cool tho for theorycrafting 👀

[dapper cove]

yeah with me it's just i like to play the game without breaking it

[stiff delta]

games broken anyways tho

[dapper cove]

it can be fun to break it the first time, but at the same time it can ruin the fun of the game

[grand elm]

no shaman stones allowed

[dapper cove]

like i want to use the resources that are built into the game not adding in my own to make it easier

if that makes any sense

[stiff delta]

are you referring to the load extender?

[dapper cove]

just glitches in general

in my mind glitches modifies the way the game is played

therefore changing the resources available

[stiff delta]

i disagree however i do not care, you do you bb

[dapper cove]

and you do you

i just personally have always enjoyed doing things "as intended"

[stiff delta]

keep in mind that nmg doesnt mean glitchless

[dapper cove]

i know

[stiff delta]

optimal play does a ton of little itty bitty things

[hearty adder]

Well, technically we could go on and on about if NMG even does everything in the "intended" way or not

[dapper cove]

yeah lmao

[stiff delta]

yea this could be an endless argument

[thorn jasper]

team cherry intended us to have this argument

[stiff delta]

oh okay then

[dapper cove]

no two people are going to see it the same way

[stuck raptor]

if it's in the game, clearly TC intended it to be done

it's in the code. all glitches are intended

[dapper cove]

not necessarily

[stiff delta]

tc intended for their game to be awful

[ionic sparrow]

god i miss televator

[stuck raptor]

they made it, so they want it

boom

[dapper cove]

there are some glitches that just happen to get past developers

[stuck raptor]

ez argument

[limpid ruin]

Hai toof, you just play it exactly how you want to, if that changes infinite times or stays the same forever, you do you

[stiff delta]

televator should be nmg

its cool

[dapper cove]

even if it's not a glitch they probably never expected mag skips to be a thing

thank you cerp <3

everyone's perspectives are different and can change so it's all just a personal opinion

[grand elm]

i'm sure tc placed that breakable background object that lets us access watcher knights without wings on purpose

[thorn jasper]

that one they actually did on purpose

[dapper cove]

there are some things that definitely seem intentional

and others that might not be intentional but was found during play testing and they chose to keep

like i doubt they planned on shade skips from the very beginning but it was likely found during play testing

obviously i wasn't there so i don't know but to me that makes sense

you aren't going to know all skips right out the gate when you make it but they're going to be found through play testing

[stiff delta]

some of them are intentional iirc

like spire pogo

[dapper cove]

yes

and with level structure i'm 100% certain they knew what they were doing when organising levels the way they did

where there are spots that require dash or wings or ways to bypass that stuff

[ionic cargo]

some things have been stated to been intentional, others are just us being and sequence breaking

[hallow orchid]

I'm 90% sure that a bunch of jumps being possible with wings and not claw is mostly coincidental, 2x jump height walls just look nice

[ionic cargo]

they work, so why cant we exploit use them

[dapper cove]

it's personal preference

i enjoy the skips

the glitches i'm on the fence about lmao

[ionic cargo]

the glitches are often so broken that I'd rather not argue with them

[stiff delta]

I like the one wcs glitch where you just skip the cheart gauntlet

[dapper cove]

i'm moderately ok with the tiny glitches

like how in all skills you use the dashslash to open levels behind doors

i also just think things like televator is fun

but others i'm more on the fence about

[novel bluff]

I miss the tab falling speed glitch

I mean it's back if you get QoL mod

But like

Unmodded

[haughty fossil]

1221 is always there

[ionic cargo]

unless you're on console

[novel bluff]

Lmao

[cold geyser]

i am sad :(

i could not for the life of me get spike tunnel

[ionic cargo]

probably in like 2 or 3 weeks will be when i submit my first trial of the warrior speedrun

wdym?

it mostly because i have tests for the next few weeks but then I'll be on break

[subtle glade]

Can you make livesplit transparent?

[haughty fossil]

not the window itself, but you can make a chroma key in obs to filter out the background

so the recording/stream has livesplit transparent to be over the game

[subtle glade]

I wanted that so that I can see the corner while playing

[hearty adder]

you can try making livesplit smaller

or using horizontal splits instead of vertical

[haughty fossil]

ooh actually uh

https://github.com/LorenzCK/OnTopReplica/releases/tag/v3.5.1-fix

creates a replica of any window, which you can then make transparent

[grand token]

TIL hungry walls in wk fight are reeeeally hungry

[hearty adder]

The wall feeds off pb paces

[subtle glade]

How can I give myself geo in debug mod? I want to practise the gruz and dream nail split

[haughty fossil]

items panel

there's a geo button

gives 1k

[subtle glade]

Thanks, found it

[subtle glade]

What could have caused this

[haughty fossil]

your encoder setting set to record as mkv

[ionic sparrow]

make sure you fully land on the ground before interacting with that

[haughty fossil]

interacted too early

[ionic sparrow]

if you interact with it too soon out of a dash, the game thinks you arenton the ground

just take a sec and walk into it

[subtle glade]

Ok thanks

[subtle glade]

Kept it as default, what should it be?

[haughty fossil]

the same, but it won't embed. you can remux to mp4 if you want stuff to embed

there's a setting to do it automatically when recording ends

though this means you have 2 of the same recording every time, one as a resilient format and the other as mp4 for discord stuff

[subtle glade]

And just making sure, if I don't want to softlock myself I can't interact with it from a dash?

[haughty fossil]

you can, just wait a moment

you want to be in the standing state by the time you interact, so don't press up/down immediately

[subtle glade]

So first I fully land, then I interact with it, gotcha

[desert kiln]

here's a weird proof of concept that my friend came up with while i was practicing any% nmg:

dashless claw%

i recorded a video but it's too long for youtube and too big for discord lol

idk if it's been thought of before

it's really dumb tho

[grizzled maple]

You should watch a Low% run

All you need to beat the game without major glitches is
1%: Vengeful Spirit
2%: Mantis Claw
1%: Dream Nail
2%: Crystal Heart
1%: Watcher Knights
1%: Uumuu
1%: Lurien the Watcher
1%: Monomon the Teacher
1%: Herrah the Beast

[desert kiln]

oh do they get claw without dash?

[jagged vault]

Yes

[desert kiln]

that's cool

nvm then

[jagged vault]

That run skips dash

[grizzled maple]

Hornet + dash is 3% so it's way too much

[desert kiln]

my meme category is even dumber than i thought

lol

thanks for telling me tho

[grizzled maple]

yeah np

nothing wrong with thinking up memes, just a lot have either already been done or can fit into another mold

[stone flame]

is the run valid if you skip the last cutscene? no one does so idk

[thorn jasper]

as long as you don't need to see the ending percent, you're fine to end after the last split ends the timer

[grizzled maple]

Current patch its not skippable. But 1221 runs probably dont because people like the cinematic in their pb vod

[dapper cove]

I can confirm I do enjoy seeing it

[steady lynx]

Why would they make a cutscene non-skipable? That makes no sense- wait nvm, this is TC

[leaden python]

It actually makes sense if you think about it. I'm sure casuals were skipping it on accident and then complained. But as tc always does it, the fix was a bit scuffed

[stone flame]

Thanks!

[steady lynx]

Just add an option to skip all cutscenes please

Half a minute at the start of console runs is so meh

[worthy sluice]

40.6 seconds

Last i timed it

[steady lynx]

Landing with good mashing is at 33 seconds

On switch

[worthy sluice]

Well, im not good at mashing on xbox

[steady lynx]

On PS4 it's 35 seconds

(With preload btw)

[worthy sluice]

And landing sure but you dont have control of your character until the hardfall stops

[steady lynx]

37 seconds

[worthy sluice]

I must just suk at mashing

[steady lynx]

Idk, Xbox might be different time on the intro and oh no

[worthy sluice]

Oh no what?

Also geez it takes so long for a speedrun to get verified, i just want my blue name

[twin swallow]

mods/verifiers are people too

[worthy sluice]

:/ i know im just inpatient

I also have a 1:06 i could put on speedrun .com but im waiting for my first run to get verified

[steady lynx]

Seriously though, I'd love an option to just auto skip cutscenes

[worthy sluice]

seriously i would love to have no clip as a speedrunning tool for my runs

[worthy sluice]

That also does sound nice

[low bramble]

you can run debug mod i think thats a thing

[worthy sluice]

Not on xbox...

Gusten imma name my hornet split after you

[fair gorge]

is qga possible on current patch?

[low bramble]

yes but its harder

[hallow orchid]

yep, it's the same on 1221 as cp

wdym it's harder aerto?

[low bramble]

I thought i heard somewhere that it was harder

[fair gorge]

that probably explains why i can't latch onto the wall even with invincibility on

[low bramble]

probably not

do you have ismas?

[steady lynx]

Only if you manage to get the upside down glitch once

[hallow orchid]

I'm 99% sure it's identical

[fair gorge]

don't have ismas's

[digital jewel]

it's 100% the same

[low bramble]

TIL

[fair gorge]

this isn't an official run, just trying to do this stuff for the challenge

[median basalt]

Can I have the speedrunner role? Here's my run https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/ylojj52y

[fair gorge]

TIL i just suck

[hallow orchid]

QGA is a very difficult trick, it definitely takes a lot of practice to be able to do

if you're never starting the cdash, it is likely you are pressing cdash too early

[median basalt]

definitely worth it tho, when you nail it it feels so nice

[fair gorge]

will try during holidays

schedule is tight atm

[worthy sluice]

Help explosion pogo on cp hard

[median basalt]

try the new fireball pogo, it's supposed to be a lot easier

[worthy sluice]

** new fireball pogo???? **

[median basalt]

I think it's the schy pogo in the strats channel

correction, it's the fireball setup by mathulu vid. Muri posted the links a week or two ago

[hallow orchid]

comfypogo #strats message

[median basalt]

has the added benefit of looking absolutely swag when you do it too

[slim tree]

hey, quick question, if you need DD or Lantern to get into peaks, could it be faster to go thru soul sanctum to get dive instead of lantern? it would make killing some bosses faster i think and would take out a lot of relics and needing to find lem

[median basalt]

sanctum takes much longer than collecting the 1800 geo for the lantern, or so I've been told

[hallow orchid]

if you mean for any% then unfortunately dive is simply too slow to be worthwhile and the 1800 geo is not hard to collect

[grizzled maple]

Dive is a hard save so its much slower even considering how slow the boss is

[hallow orchid]

If dive wasn't a hard save it might be more viable, yeah

[grizzled maple]

Money is just super fast thanks to daddy lemm

[worthy sluice]

Thank you explosion pogo is hard

[slim tree]

fair enough

[hallow orchid]

go for the 3 fireball comfypogo nugget it's much much easier imo

although on console the vsync setup is consistent too

[halcyon quail]

Has anyone done a All Elderbug Dialogue% ?

[stray kestrel]

There's an all dialogue which would include elderbug

Not sure if it's been run or just routed

[halcyon quail]

Do you know the route?

[thorn jasper]

aprillomat was routing all dialog. otherwise no one has done this

[hallow orchid]

are any 2 lines of dialogue mutually exclusive?

[stray kestrel]

All I know is it takes like three save files or something

[hallow orchid]

ah, there's my answer lol

[halcyon quail]

Many

[thorn jasper]

for existing categories, there is Elderbug%, whose goal is to deliver the Delicate Flower to Elderbug

[stray kestrel]

jinn/jiji

Probably for elderbug too

[halcyon quail]

Elderbug has different dialogue when you go past him, talk to him first time and go past him into the crossroads.

[stray kestrel]

kp ils peepoArrive

[halcyon quail]

First encounter - Ho there, traveller. I'm afraid there's only me left to offer welcome. Our town's fallen quiet you see. The other residents, they've all disappeared. Headed down that well, one by one, into the caverns below. Used to be there was a great kingdom beneath our town. It's long fell to ruin, yet it still draws folks into its depths. Wealth, glory, enlightenment, that darkness seems to promise all things. I'm sure you too seek your dreams down there. Well watch out. It's a sickly air that fills the place. Creatures turn mad and travellers are robbed of their memories. Perhaps dreams aren't such great things after all...

First encounter (if walked by him the first time) Oh! You came back! You walked straight past me, I thought maybe I'd faded away along with this town.

First encounter (if visited Forgotten Crossroads before listening to him) Oh! You're back! You walked straight past me and descended down into the ruins without even saying hello! I thought maybe I'd seen a ghost. The mind sometimes plays tricks on you when you spend a lot of time alone.

[dapper cove]

ok i kinda want my speedrunner role now i'm done celebrating lmao https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/mk7wroly

that's my official last place speedrun

[dull hemlock]

Hey guys, I'm using x-mouse and for some reason whenever I use the button on the mouse it doesn't respond well and sometimes doesn't press, has anyone experianced this and knows how to fix it?

[stray kestrel]

In #resources there's a thing called blue.exe that binds your mouse buttons to t and h

[low bramble]

#resources message

[stone flame]

Hey people, if you press a directional exiting King's Brand and can hear footsteps, the run is invalid?

[dull hemlock]

I've used that, and it works great, but I also want to bound mouse 5 and 4, but blue.exe doesn't have that

[thorn jasper]

not necessarily

[stiff delta]

what type of mouse do you have

[stone flame]

I'll try to send a video

[dull hemlock]

I'm not sure what kind of mouse I have, and for some reason my control pannel won't show me

[digital jewel]

what's this setting here for you

[stiff delta]

weird

[dull hemlock]

yeah I have as mouse button is pressed

but I'm not blocking the original input, is that a problem?

[digital jewel]

coul be yeah

try it

[dull hemlock]

Give me a bit then

I'll have to bind the actual mouse clicks to the keyboard though

[dapper cove]

i know at least from a coding standpoint there's a big difference between on down, on press, and on lift so i'm not sure if there's an option there but there might be

i've never personally used that but it could be something

[molten aurora]

@dapper cove Grats on the verification, I just saw you on src

[dapper cove]

ty goose :)

my solid last place is something i value greatly no joke

i put in the effort and i did it

i want to try and speedrun minecraft too and some other hk categories but schoolwork is my priority for now

[stone flame]

Does this invalidate the run?

[dapper cove]

i don't think so... but i'm also not one of the mods so i'm not the best person to be answering

[dry sluice]

no

[limpid ruin]

That's just the game being bad at handling control and states. You naturally have control before the game takes it away from you for the cutscene, but it doesn't reset the state properly and you get walking effects etc

[dull hemlock]

It's still not working :(

I've found a way to test it though

if I try to spam as quick as I can, and start as soon as I jump, I can get three down swings with the original keyboard input, but only two using x-mouse

I'll also test it with actual left mouse now

yep, I can get three with actual left mouse too

[stone flame]

Thanks, everyone!

[dull hemlock]

so it's definitely a problem with x-mouse or my settings on it

[digital jewel]

Do you run it as administrator

[dull hemlock]

I think so

can it work without doing that?

[digital jewel]

Idk just something to try

[dull hemlock]

so do I right click it and run it as administrator to do that again?

[digital jewel]

Yeah

[dull hemlock]

it didn't work 😭

I'm gonna go for now, if anyone has any suggestion or solutions, please @ me to let me know!

[dapper cove]

to me it just seems like there's a delay on the read... so for when you hit it three times it only registers the first and last because of like a latency i think is the word for it

[waxen nymph]

hi, can you tell me where to download hollow knight patch 1.2.2.1, thank you in advance

[fair island]

check pins for downpatching guide

[verbal stag]

check the pinned messages for the guide

[waxen nymph]

thanks

[true palm]

I'm assuming the main issue is a slight input delay, but also spamming means you actually have slower nail swings, i'm also wondering if its being input so fast the game doesnt detect it. Something to try is changing the key press to option 3 "During". If nothings working, you could also just prove that it is input delay by setting the it to option 6 "repeatedly." Another option, most mainbrand gaming mouses, or nicer mouses (assuming you have one based on the fact that you want to bind mouse4 and mouse5) have apps where you can actually change bindings. Afaik, this change actually affects drivers, which would have no input delay. The last option, one i am less familiar with, is AHK, which I've heard good things about.

[devout wing]

choke choke choke

[true palm]

current patch thk is a bully

have you tried spore shroom?

would highly recommend until you're looking for sub 45, i've heard great things about it

[devout wing]

the charm?

[fair island]

yes, it shreds cp thk

[devout wing]

pog

[stray kestrel]

If you're taking deepnest route it's optimal, I've seen also some people picking up soul catcher and using that up until shaman stone then for the thk fight with spore shroom

[true palm]

basically spore shroom hits all of THK's hit boxes simultaneously

so instead of casting spells you use sporeshroom

this is inherently easier because you also heal in the process

you also to get to go through deepnest, which is easier than queens gardens and qga, and this route when performed optimally is only like a minute slower than the current route

[fair lagoon]

so, skipping the rant where I air out my frustrations on being unable to get low% GE and that I'm giving up on it for the time being for the sake of my own enjoyment of my hours, anyone else have issues with autosplit lately? For some reason, my run autosplit when I save-quit after beating Xero and I absolutely do not have any settings on that would do that (my only auto is a Mr. Mushroom)

[short spire]

ive had random autosplits happen on quitouts on occasion as well

no idea why it can happen but you can just press the undo split button

[haughty fossil]

it happens fairly commonly with gruz mother autosplit for me on claw quitout 🥴

[short spire]

yea thats the one where ive had it as well lol

[fair lagoon]

I see. I didn't even realize I could undo the split

[leaden python]

wasn't that the issue with non-ordered splits?

[haughty fossil]

if the timer stops then you can't, but by default i believe it's numpad8

i use ordered splits, pretty sure i always have

[molten aurora]

I just danced around with hornet 2 for about 15 minutes without attacking and I didn't get hit once. I've come to the conclusion she isn't hard to dodge, she's hard to smack

Is there any way to set spell damage to 0 with debug? I know I can set nail dmg to 0, but don't see anything for spells.

[wicked trench]

you can set enemy hp to (almost) infinite
press "f9" and then you'll see 3 buttons, one to duplicate, one to delete and one to give a lot of hps

[molten aurora]

Oh nice, ty

[wicked trench]

[tight night]

how do I switch back to current patch from downpatch?

[subtle glade]

You should have the files of the current patch still, you can launch it from there

[molten aurora]

Assuming you didn't overwrite your default installation, you just need to find that, else you'll need to reinstall.

[tight night]

👌 got it

thanks

[subtle glade]

The default "Hollow knight" on steam will be the one with the folder name "Hollow Knight", so if you want to switch that rename your files

[knotty vigil]

What's your version?

[fair island]

isn't this a #archived-modding-help question

[knotty vigil]

Oh yeah

[molten aurora]

Am I doing this right? I know I'm getting the storage, but something just doesn't look/feel right.

[old sphinx]

You're probably too far from the door when you dash

[molten aurora]

Ah okay, I just get scared of getting too close, because I seem to fly off in the wrong direction when that happens

[old sphinx]

Dash a bit later then

It's because you touch the door before dashing so you dash to the other direction

[molten aurora]

Yeah, I definitely don't have the timing, I just messed around with it for 5 mins.

But basically get as close as possible, without touching the door?

[old sphinx]

You don't need to be as close as possible, but a bit closer should be better

But try to not overthink it too, you'll get used to it pretty quickly, it's not a pixel/frame perfect complex tech

[molten aurora]

Alright, that's good to know, I was kinda worried it would be super hard to get consistent.

Not that the ~5sec of time save over the whole run is important right now, it just looks cool

[old sphinx]

Nah don't worry 🙂

[molten aurora]

Okay, I'm starting to get it, I just need to remember to not dash again while I'm still in the air. Unless there's a way to get rid of the storage mid air?

[old sphinx]

Jumping

But not a good idea

Except if you dash to the wrong direction yes

Wait no, even if you dash to the wrong direction it'll be even worse

[molten aurora]

I'll probably just fly out of the room with that speed

[old sphinx]

You can also just set a savestate and try different timings

[molten aurora]

Okay, I have a new favorite room in AS.

[old sphinx]

Are you pressing left?

[molten aurora]

yeah I am.

[old sphinx]

Try to dash sooner/later maybe

Probably later

[jaunty anvil]

later dash later

and space is alil mor back

[molten aurora]

Yeah, I think I dashed too early in that clip, it felt like I got stuck.

[dull hemlock]

Thanks for the ideas! I’ll try them as soon as I can and I’ll come back when I know if they’ve worked or not

[molten aurora]

Woah, you can dash way later than I though.

[jaunty anvil]

yeah it took me getting used to

u can basically go once it’s like fkn completely closed

[molten aurora]

Yeah, that's weird, I thought you kinda had to hit the top of it as it was just starting to move.

Now that I understand the timing a bit better. my dash is going way further.

[jaunty anvil]

yeah

i use the audio as a cue for how long it lasts

som gate storages r like rlly fkn hard 2 hit for me tho

so im rlly not the best person to help

[molten aurora]

I'll need to find myself an audio/visual cue, I'm just go by feel atm.

Nah, I appreciate it, you helped me out a lot, you too Pharest

[knotty vigil]

Would this be the place for a question about a route to take?

[hearty adder]

If you're interested in competitive speedrunning, yes

[stiff delta]

Pins should have them

[hearty adder]

If you're interested in getting the 5 hour achievement, however

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[knotty vigil]

Thanks y'all!

[molten aurora]

'Competitive' speedrunning? Guess I need to take on monstah now

[stiff delta]

Do it

Run all skills

[steady lynx]

Don't take on Monstah

[stiff delta]

or dont because all skills is not as good as any% imo dont @ me

[steady lynx]

He's too good for mere mortals

[haughty fossil]

4ms cp tho

[molten aurora]

That's it, 3rd ever sub 50 all skills incoming.

[stiff delta]

4ms worst category

Arent there already 3?

[steady lynx]

4ms nmms

[molten aurora]

Are there 3?

[haughty fossil]

yes there are

[stiff delta]

Monstah picses ax

[molten aurora]

I know pisces hit sub 50 in a race, when did ax hit it?

[stiff delta]

Yesterday

49:51

[steady lynx]

Monstah is still rekky right

[molten aurora]

Damn, what a gamer. Time to quit all skills, it's already dead

[stiff delta]

Think so

[haughty fossil]

correct

[stiff delta]

Ax is only like 3 seconds behind tho

[steady lynx]

1221 AS is dead*

[jagged vault]

Speedrunning isn’t always about being the fastest!

Or comparing to others

It can be a competition against yourself as well

[molten aurora]

It's about the friends we made along the way

[jagged vault]

Or one agaist the game

Also that

[steady lynx]

You already got the meme down

[stiff delta]

smh blue why call it “speed” running if no speed? why not just call it running smh my head

[molten aurora]

I actually don't think I could play cp again, it feels so floaty to me after exclusively playing 1221.

[jagged vault]

Not gonna lie that’s genuinely my favorite aspect about speedrunning

[dapper cove]

drugs /j

[jagged vault]

The friends i’ve made and the cool ppl i’ve met

[stiff delta]

This is true

Ive met blue and look at him

Gamer

[dapper cove]

I’ve meet goose

They pop up on my streams and help coach me when I’m doing runs

[molten aurora]

Don't trust him, he's upside down.

And bad at the game.

[dapper cove]

You or blue lol

[molten aurora]

Goose 👀

[dapper cove]

I mean

He’s better than me at the game and that’s better than nothing

Do I need to pull out the pbs?

[molten aurora]

I mean, for all you know, I've lied about all my pbs, you're the only one verified

[dapper cove]

...I’ve seen clips from your runs... if your pb is worse than mine than you must really suck at some very specific sections

[molten aurora]

KP is hard, leave me alone

I actually hate kp though, not gonna lie.

[dapper cove]

...it’s just platforming?

The only annoying part is getting that hard fall when the ground breaks

[molten aurora]

The most brutal and precise platforming in the game.

kp > ismas

[dapper cove]

Define “precise” because in my eyes dark ddive was way worse in terms of precision

And dark deepnest

[haughty fossil]

im with goose here, kp is impossible to do fast

[molten aurora]

The thing with kp, is it's SO optimized at this point. I've only hit 53s once and I was very happy with that, iirc 51s is possible, correct me if I'm wrong.

[haughty fossil]

only ever had 1 shoutouts kp

[dapper cove]

I’m also a beginner speedrunner though and I haven’t tried to optimise my splits to that level

[stiff delta]

50 is doable

[haughty fossil]

51 is a good kp for top runners

[dapper cove]

I’m still working on taking my 40 minute splits and cutting them to at max 10 minutes

Which shouldn’t be too difficult granted the reason they were so long

[stiff delta]

I mean if you wanna get technical 38 is doable

[molten aurora]

That's what makes kp so brutal, I'm really happy being 2-3 seconds slower than top runners in the simplest platforming in the game.

[dapper cove]

Platforming has never been a super big strong suit of mine

I’m usually around the 1 minute mark id need to see my run to check the exact time

[molten aurora]

That I'd like to to see, glitched I'd assume right?

[dapper cove]

I was at 1:01

[stiff delta]

Yea thats glitched

[dapper cove]

But also iirc I fell at one point

[molten aurora]

I'm bad at platforming too. I watched the pisces/vali race today and realized just how much I need to improve my platforming. God damn is top level movement sexy though

[dapper cove]

Yes

I just need to work on reaction times

Very present in ismas

God I suck at that whole split

[molten aurora]

It's fun when you actually hit it though. I agree though, I get spooked coming up to it in a run.

[dapper cove]

I get spooked when I hit it

Like when I actually get it I’m just like omg I actually did that

[molten aurora]

Haha, that's fair, it is a hard trick.

[true palm]

that happens with a lot of tricks i think

i know i've forgotten to let go on QGA before because i thought i missed it and my brain just didnt register that i was actually ready to fire across the acid

[molten aurora]

I really need to try out qga, because every time I see it, I think it looks easy, but I know it's pretty much the hardest skip in the game. I need to see for myself how hard it really is

[true palm]

its definitely the hardest acid skip, and the hardest skip in any%

wouldnt venture to call it the hardest skip in the game

probably the hardest skip of any main category

[molten aurora]

I've just heard that thrown around, I have no frame of reference.

[tired oxide]

Is there a good guide on OOB on current patch? Or is it basically the same as earlier versions just more frame perfect? Or just the same?

[true palm]

iirc the only main form of out of bounds you can get is from MMS on current patch

if you're looking for nmms or mms categories, highly recommend you downpatch anyway because all of the fun glitches were patch out

as for the MMS out of bounds check this out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd-dogenag0

its covered at the end

[tired oxide]

I have noticed all the fun ones are patched out XD I wanted to do my first run on current patch true end using mms
I was getting annoyed in my practice runs in queens garden and seen some current runs with oob in the area

[true palm]

for any glitched category where this Current Patch is optimal, (ie short category extensions) this covers the trick ( not available for console users)

hmm, not sure then, you'd probably find out more than me by watching the vods

looking for the key presses

afaik the tech for 1.0.2.8 OOB is patched out, so it would be a different method (1028 uses inventory/map iirc)

[tired oxide]

Thank you anyway :)
Yeah i was hoping there was a good guide going over it so I could learn it better

I'm trying to avoid doing too many techs for my first run so I can actually get something down sooner and then expand.
Not sure if its a good way or not but I love full glitch categories

[true palm]

you should really check out Aluba% All Glitches, its short and sweet, and pretty unique

its a good way to get a run done to get a blue name, where you can ask misc-runs (theyd know more about current patch glitches)

[tired oxide]

Thank you, I'll have a look!

[true palm]

anyways krythom is incredibly knowledgeable about glitched categories, and you should give her stream/youtube a look

shes currently doing an nmms guide for any%

[haughty fossil]

(her)

[true palm]

mb mb

[dapper cove]

I’m terrified to try qga

It took me so long to get isma which is on the easier side

[sonic crane]

theres saves on speedgaming if you wanna try it out without set up hassle

[dapper cove]

i usually just use debug as that works well for me

[true palm]

the saves are to get you to the right spot with the right amount of geo, dreamers compete and abilities

[dapper cove]

true

[cold geyser]

does anyone have good advice for spike tunnel skip in all skills?

sometimes I just get it first try but I’ve had occasions where I just can’t get it at all

[true palm]

are you doing setup or setupless?

[cold geyser]

I’m not sure what to do differently

what’s the setup?

[true palm]

setups with the wall jump

[cold geyser]

ok yeah I am doing that

bottom of the wall, right?

bottom of the wall, wall jump left, pogo spikes and immediately dash

[true palm]

its a tough skip, not the toughest in the game, but its hard to tell if somethings going wrong with your skips without a video

spike tunneling in general can help you get better at that specific skip

if you've ever seen rando skips, check out spike tunneling

theres an extra input, but the pogo dash remains the same

[cold geyser]

spike tunneling with vs you mean?

those seen very difficult

[true palm]

spike tunneling with vs/wraiths/airstall

its difficult

but the extended sequence can help you get the rhythm down

you dont really need to do spike tunnel first try in your first run tbh

its pretty easy to get soul in ismas

(you can dreamnail the rancid egg if worse comes to worst)

[somber cedar]

What helped me was looking at hitboxes and figuring out every time what I did wrong, specifically. Like "This pogo was slightly early" etc