speedrunning

[lone pebble]

From last week?

[true palm]

yup

[lone pebble]

Thank you

[true palm]

downpatchings a process, but you shouldnt have to do it again unless you break something

or decide to run glitched categories

[lone pebble]

I've found out it's a process lol hopefully I don't mess something up

[true palm]

or god forbid 107%

statistically speaking, you probably will, and we can help

but if you're thorough you should find it to be long but simple

[vocal dove]

are there any guides or explanations for dash cancels/setupless?

[digital jewel]

setupless ismas?

[true palm]

no dash cancels for revek skip in true ending im assuming

[haughty fossil]

setupless is pinned in #all-skills

[digital jewel]

#all-skills message

[vocal dove]

not ismas, yeah revek skip

[haughty fossil]

also they're transdashes now 😤

[digital jewel]

ok I don't think there's a detailed guide on revekless

[drifting scarab]

Thanks guys for the help.

[vocal dove]

alright, that info was very helpful! i'm gonna hit up chocciadam because they offered to help a few days ago

[true palm]

lmk how it goes, the skip seems pog and im looking into getting into true ending at some point

[hearty adder]

mantis pogo is pretty tight, if you're able to record yourself doing it we should be able to help you correct your mistakes

[cursive jacinth]

the advice i was given was to go as fast as possible to prevent one from going in the lever room

basically hit the lever and gtfo of that room

[digital jewel]

you need to spend less time in the lever room

[dapper cove]

isn't that why we use vs then just rush in to hit the level and leave

so the big mantis isn't a problem

[lone pebble]

So turns out I didn't turn off auto update like a moron I'm turning it off now but all these options seem like the game will update anyway

[thorn jasper]

if steam is trying to update it, it sounds like you overwrote the default installation patch with the downpatch. that will cause problems; put the 1221 somewhere else

[hot latch]

Hey y'all i managed to spread my cpu really thin and i can take a video while playing hollowknight, sadly my cpu is very sad and could only do it if i set the video requirements really low, I'm wondering if this video is even usable for speedrun.com if i felt like using it rather than setting up a bunch of other stuff, I'll put a clip of the video up in a sec

enjoy my sad gameplay lol

[digital jewel]

I mean the timer is readable and you can clearly see all the UI

it's painful but probably verifiable yeah

[last inlet]

you should also check if it runs fine in more intensive areas

[hot latch]

That's a good idea, where would be a good area do you think?

[last inlet]

there's a lot of grass in greenpath

that's one area

anything that makes a lot of particles tbh

[hot latch]

That's true, I'll do a bit of searching to see what might yeet me

Thank you!

[lone pebble]

Finally thank you to everyone who helped now I can start to actually speedrun the game

[worthy sluice]

Lol imagine not speedrunning CP

[thorn jasper]

Nugget that's not really productive I think I interpreted the tone too negatively my b

[molten aurora]

Lol imagine not speedrunning CP

[worthy sluice]

man you guys really kill the fun in talking to groups with similar interests｡･ﾟ･(ﾉ∀`)･ﾟ･｡

Its my job to bully people, because in one week of work, they are going to be better than me and then i cant bully them anymore

Anyways hollow best of luck, i hope you play really well and enjoy speedrunning the game

[hot latch]

Thank you!!

[worthy sluice]

Now imma go rek Alprechims time real quik

[hot latch]

Goodluck nugget!

No mp4? sad

[worthy sluice]

Best of luck to you aswell

[hot latch]

Now we have the sadness clip

[molten aurora]

I can see everything that's happening at least, but I definitely wouldn't want to be the one to verify it

[jagged vault]

The main room to check is the thk fight hollow

That’a the laggiest room in the game

[hot latch]

Oh pog

That should be fun lemme check that

[worthy sluice]

Just use a macro

[hot latch]

Yeahhhh i'd feel bad having someone look at it for an hour or more

[jagged vault]

Is this 1221?

[molten aurora]

Is thk really the laggiest? I never have any fps drops during the fight, but definitely do in other areas of the game sometimes.

[hot latch]

No, its cp

1221 lagged me to death

[jagged vault]

Ah

[molten aurora]

Oh wow, 1221 would be interesting.

[jagged vault]

Aww, unfortunate

[vapid olive]

is the menu drop patched?

[molten aurora]

In current patch, yes.

[jagged vault]

Semi patched yes

[thorn jasper]

see top pin

[dapper cove]

you guys said it takes like at max a week for runs to be verified right

[jagged vault]

Yeah was gonna say

At most 1-3 weeks

[dapper cove]

but like for hk

[jagged vault]

Most runs are verified within a week yeah

[vapid olive]

what about the explosion pogo?

[thorn jasper]

for hk please be patient

[jagged vault]

Explosion pogo is also semi patched

It’s harder on CP

[molten aurora]

Mine got rejected within 12 hours

[stark birch]

neither inv drop nor epogo are patched outright, but they are both more convoluted on current patch

[jagged vault]

Still doable though

[dapper cove]

i am i'm just super excited

[vapid olive]

how do you do explosion pogo then?

i have been trying but it just wont work

[dapper cove]

i'm literally checking every couple hours bc i'm so excited to see my run at last place lmao

there's a tutorial by pisces as part of his all skills series

and i'm sure there are plenty more than that

[stark birch]

you can't pogo the explosion anymore, only the sporg projectile itself

there are a couple different setups that work for current patch, but the one that's most in vogue right now and most highly rated is the so-called "comfypogo": https://youtu.be/bYsRWyHjcmM

[hot latch]

Hey i was wondering, does debug mod have a way to get 112% completion so i don't have to beat the game to test thk fight

Also heck i thought these were the same, i'll have to check out that video thank you quack

[stark birch]

if that one is not to your liking, there is another that uses vsync and a third that uses movement alone that some runners swear by, with tutorials by emray and valignatev, respectively

[stiff delta]

you can download a save from src

[jaunty anvil]

@hot latch u can download saves on speedrun.com , if ur on current patch u can also use benchwarp to warp in there

[strong vessel]

To submit a new PB, do I submit another run or edit my old one?

[jaunty anvil]

new run

[strong vessel]

Ok

[hot latch]

Oh thank you that's good

[vapid olive]

how do i do the menu drop in the current patch?

[stark birch]

it's physics-frame perfect on current patch, it must be performed as you are walking off a ledge

[vapid olive]

oh rip

sounds hard

[stiff delta]

i mean its a 1/50 "chance"

its tough but doable

[vapid olive]

how would i get the speedrunner rank in the discord

[stiff delta]

have a verified run on src

[vapid olive]

ok

[stark birch]

once you have a verified run, link it here and ask mods for the rank

[stiff delta]

that part too

[vapid olive]

ok

dont you need a timer with gt?

[hot latch]

I'm prob just being dumb but what do you do with the save file ffrom src to use it after download?

[thorn jasper]

@vapid olive a lot of your questions are answered in the pinned messages in this channel

[vapid olive]

wait

how do i change the patch?

if that is possible

[snow dome]

@Steam a lot of your questions are answered in the pinned messages in this channel

[rugged crow]

it's in the pins

[vapid olive]

oh i just saw when you said that

[snow dome]

Go to your saves and place it in there.

[vapid olive]

thanks

[snow dome]

?saves

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[hot latch]

Oh ok, thank you

[jagged vault]

User1 is slot 1, user2 slot 2 etc @hot latch

You can rename the files to move what slot they’re in

So for example if you rename user1.dat to user3.dat, you move the file from slot 1 to 3

[hot latch]

Alrighty i figured it out, thank you!

[hallow wave]

this right?

[stiff delta]

thats the gamer patch yea

[hallow wave]

aight

[molten aurora]

Yeah, that looks good, just check around in game to make sure everything's okay.

[hallow wave]

now i need to fully set up livesplit

[thorn jasper]

now you are a maximum gamer on the flame patch

[molten aurora]

The first time I downpatched my game was totally broken.

[hallow wave]

wait one second ive heard there are training mods?

that let you reset rooms and stuff?

[stiff delta]

debug mod is the practice mod

[hallow wave]

Ah ok

[stiff delta]

theres a tutorial on how to get it on src

[hallow wave]

ill go set that up

[stiff delta]

keep in mind runs cant be verified with the mod installed so when it comes time to do real runs, either have a separate vanilla copy of the game or uninstall the modding api

[hallow wave]

Ahhhh i see

makes sense

[jagged vault]

Making a comy of your 1221 install for modded practice is the way to go

[stiff delta]

100% its way more convenient

[hallow wave]

hrmmm debug api not found

in the google drive link

[jagged vault]

Makes it both organized and convenient

[hallow wave]

hrmmm says i need the most latest patch

i need to get the debug mod for 1221

[hallow wave]

i did get one bad gateway error

[ionic sparrow]

Pinned in resources

[hallow wave]

hopefully that doesnt affect me

alright

tty

why does it say debug.dll can harm my pc:/

ehhh

idc

[stiff delta]

idk why it does but it cant

[hallow wave]

ummm i cant get modding api/ debug mod to work

not showing up in HK

at all

is this right?

[stiff delta]

yes

[knotty vigil]

Oh my god this took way too long

[stiff delta]

nice!

[knotty vigil]

It's funny though because I thought I wasn't going to get a pb due to a 4 cycle Uumuu fight

but I ended up getting queen's gardens acid skip first try so it all works out

[stiff delta]

sick qg honestly

[knotty vigil]

thank you!

It was a pretty good run but still alot I need to work on

[hallow wave]

thanks for all the help now i gotta git gud

[knotty vigil]

good luck!

[quiet saddle]

Pest WR tho O.O

I know I'm late but that's dope

Also, question: Is it rng if you get hit during the drop in the tall platform room in forgotten crossroads?

Like I know the tic tics are timed, but the fly positions are rng right?

[ionic sparrow]

yes

[cold geyser]

does anyone have specific tips for the hornet 2 fight in all skills nmg? i've watched pisces tutorial but am still struggling to win the fight consistently, let alone quickly

[unkempt goblet]

Whats a good p1 time?

[molten aurora]

Learning to play aggressively without relying on healing really helped me out. But it's just gonna come down to a lot of practice. Hornet 2 is the hardest fight in the run.

[jagged vault]

A good time is one you’ve put effort into as for comparing to other people, check the pantheon 1 IL leaderboard on speedrun.com

[quiet saddle]

Practicing without healing feels optimal to me.

[unkempt goblet]

Kay. I got a 6 48 by just smacking n studf

[quiet saddle]

What bindings?

[unkempt goblet]

None

[quiet saddle]

That time would be 56 / 61

[unkempt goblet]

I checked speedrun and it said like 3 min

[quiet saddle]

Yea, that's top level.

Top 22 times are 3 min.

[grizzled maple]

For ILs with fury you can look on the leaderboard. For 112% pantheons i would say 4:15-25 is fantastic and 4:25-40 is still really great

[unkempt goblet]

Im not good enough for fury

[harsh mason]

yeah you are

fury is easier than none fury

[unkempt goblet]

Fury is one hit

[harsh mason]

you get lifeblood

after killing 1 boss that can kill you

[somber cedar]

my entire PC just froze as I cdashed into the THK fight 😦

[harsh mason]

vk you fury after killing
gruz wont hit you
fk literally an auto fight
mmc wont hit you
hornet 1 okay you could get hit here
5 lifeblood
gorb could get hit
defender also literally an auto fight
soul warrior/mawlek/oro+mato are stuff you have to dodge yeah

[unkempt goblet]

6:25!

[harsh mason]

but if you dont overcharm you get 5 hits to do 4 bosses

[somber cedar]

can't tab out, can't get a task manager, and I just hear the ominous violins on loop

[haughty fossil]

the concept of fury is that you do enough damage for bosses to not be alive long enough for you to take damage to them

[unkempt goblet]

I get hit a lot

Ill try it

[harsh mason]

how do you get hit before getting lifeblood

[somber cedar]

I'm not that experienced with Windows PCs, but I guess this is where I hard reboot

[unkempt goblet]

Facetanking and p5 overcomes my radhog training

[thorn jasper]

if they're anything like me, by dashing directly into the enemy

[harsh mason]

you dont do damage when dashing

unbind the button

[unkempt goblet]

Whats a good charm setup

[thorn jasper]

sharp shadow though

[unkempt goblet]

Im doing strength qslash longnail and shaman

[harsh mason]

qslash, ustr, fury, dcrest (other)

i use sprintmaster+mantis as my other charms

some people use steady body+shaman

[somber cedar]

does livesplit have something like tempfiles to restore stuff from when a PC crashes?

[unkempt goblet]

How do you do sbody shaman without overcharming

[harsh mason]

but thats overcharming, if you're not overcharming, ustr,qslash,fury,dcrest,steadybody

shaman is only used for vk quick kill

which you're probably not doing

[unkempt goblet]

I can do a sbody longnail

Why is dcrest used

[harsh mason]

you stand next to every boss constantly

[unkempt goblet]

Ah

[harsh mason]

it saves 1 hit on multiple bosses

dung defender, hornet1, mawlek

which is ~.75s overall

[unkempt goblet]

Dude

I dont want to go for top times

[harsh mason]

actually dcrest saves like 6seconds sometimes

because it dodges 2nd scream if you're bad

[unkempt goblet]

I just need a distraction from p5 charm binsing

[harsh mason]

i mean none of the other charms do anything

why do you think we use a charm that does on average 2 damage to kill 3 bosses

[unkempt goblet]

Idk

I feel crippled without longnail/mop

[harsh mason]

mop is better than dcrest/steady body

[unkempt goblet]

I cant do fury strats

[harsh mason]

what

you literally just hit the boss

[unkempt goblet]

Boss hit me

I am bad

[grizzled maple]

That comes with time. You'll get better if you keep at it

[harsh mason]

you have quick slash

in my 3m14s i had to dodge 1 attack before getting lifeblood, and it was gruz mothers

[grizzled maple]

I do kinda recommend ditching the casual crutches though. Its only going to hurt you when you start getting better and want to improve faster

Pantheon ILs are so short that dying isn't a big deal and is kind of expected

[harsh mason]

https://youtu.be/XtdCKIfm28o?t=92

like this is what hornet does with qslash

[hallow wave]

how do i get livesplit to stay on the top layer

i cant see it when in HK

[stray kestrel]

right click › layout settings › layout settings › always on top

[unkempt goblet]

Sub 6 pogg

Are there boss ils

[harsh mason]

no

[unkempt goblet]

F

[harsh mason]

most bosses die in like <10s

[unkempt goblet]

Sad

Anyways im gonna go fight pv

[harsh mason]

and also everyone would have tied WR except for autosplitter differences

besides like nkg, absrad, pv

[unkempt goblet]

Id be doing pv

Since its the only boss im good at

[harsh mason]

boss ils for those bosses would be fury

[stray kestrel]

there are sorta some boss ils but those are just people practicing for a run

[harsh mason]

and also like kinda execution heavy

[unkempt goblet]

I can fury pv

Ill just stopwatch time it

[stiff delta]

Ideal fury pv coming in from HoG would have only 5hp right

[harsh mason]

you can just use livesplit

yes you overcharm and have 5hp

so you get hit once to 1hp

[stiff delta]

That would make the knight quite mad

Furious, in fact

[hallow wave]

not working.....

how strange

[harsh mason]

is your game fullscreen

[hallow wave]

yes and i cant change it

grayed out

for some reason

[worthy sluice]

I really dont like watcher knights

They have killed SO MANY of my runs

[tardy sable]

And you have killed so many of them in your runs

it goes both ways

They wake, they roll, they kill, and they die

[worthy sluice]

Yeah but ive killed alot more knights than i have uuwuus, even of you divide the amount of knights by 5 ive still killed more knights then uuwuus

They like killing my runs

I had a really solid run, it couldve been maybe a 1:04:xx with how i was playing

And of course

[hallow wave]

i cant seen to get livesplit to be ontop of hollow knight

its so strange.....

[somber cedar]

you don't want your game in fullscreen, you want it in borderless + maximised. Last item in the FAQ here covers it: https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/cg9vl

[hallow wave]

wow alt enter

that easy

alright how nice

[steady lynx]

Okay, took a few hour but finally figured out any% WK, the secret was to not die

[hallow wave]

somthings wrong with my hk install

i keep freezing

like cant move

and shoot

enemies move around me

but i cant

😦

[worthy sluice]

Gusten, why must you joke about my pain

[fair island]

shoot?

[grizzled maple]

Probably means spells

[normal aspen]

[devout wing]

hollow point 😳

[normal aspen]

@ TTacco

[hallow wave]

no i mean hit

i dont know why i said shoot

[true palm]

are you using controller?

[cold geyser]

what’s a good resource for learning hornet 2 strategies for all skills

or is it just entirely practice

[dapper cove]

Just practice

What worked for me was doing difficult scaling so I started with inf hp then upped nail damage after removing inf hp

From there just slowly lower the nail damage back down

The inf hp let me practice being aggressive bc I didn’t have to worry about healing

And then removing it put that into legit practice

[cold geyser]

ill give that a shot, thank you

[dapper cove]

Yw!

[limpid ruin]

Honestly just practice yea

Emray wrote a step by step for learning any boss and well:
1: learn to dodge them. Literally just stay in the fight for a couple minutes, hours even just dodging, learning the attacks and hitboxes
2: when you can stay alive like that, throw in nail, try to get off dmg rotation patterns that keep you safe and alive. Once you concistently survive, then
3: try to go faster, and test the boundaries even further

Ngl, that's a way better approach than my "smash my head against the brickwall" that is to try to optimise before learning the basics 🥴

[molten aurora]

Hornet wrote a guide also - 'git gud'

I'd just say be careful scaling down the difficulty, you might get used to that. I like to do the opposite, start the fight with 3hp or so. Once I get used to that, the normal fight should be easy.

But whatever works for you at the end of the day is good

[molten aurora]

You're telling me there's other ways to learn than this

[limpid ruin]

Otherwise in all skills, don't be afraid to use ddark in rough spots, otherwise for optimal fights you usually want to have her towards the centre of the arena so you can get shade soul doubles. For a safer fight ddark and keeping her in a corner is often more comfy, bc iframes. Also always try to have soul for a shade soul or ddark handy in case you need to get out of a sticky situation

Then just patience patience patience

[limpid ruin]

Optimally yes, from my pov no

[undone wyvern]

Are there any resources for someone new to speedrunning who would like to play on the switch? I imagine most things are similar but I've heard there are skips you can't do?

[formal bough]

Just generally follow a current patch guide

[median hornet]

what do you guys use for controller support for 1.2.2.1

I tried x360ce but I was getting huge delay on my inputs

[stiff delta]

i use rewasd which is like 6 bucks but joytokey is the go to for most iirc

[median hornet]

Thanks, huge help

[true palm]

What i personally do is just rename my folder every time i want to play so i can use steams controller support

if you keep all your hollow knights in the steam folder like this

[median hornet]

oh, i dont do that

[true palm]

whichever one is call "Hollow Knight" is the steam default, and will support controller inputs from steam

i recommend this if nothing else works

[median hornet]

I see

Thanks

[true palm]

no problem, i have a generic gamepad thats recognized as an xbox controller by literally every program but hollow knight so this is my work around

only problem is once in a blue moon (its happened to me once in the 4 months since downpatching) steam will decide it wants to update your 1221 install arbitrarily so having a backup is handy

[median hornet]

gtk

[undone wyvern]

@formal bough thank you!

[devout wing]

am i just trash or is explosion pogo just hard in cp

[molten aurora]

It's different in current patch, you can't pogo the explosion, just the sporg projectile.

[neat swallow]

Do you think learning explosion pogo is even worth it?

I’ve been contemplating learning it but I’m not sure because it’s not mandatory

[neon island]

Explosion pogo is definitely worth it

It certainly isn’t mandatory, per say

[neat swallow]

Yeah

I’ll probably learn the rest of the run and then the things that are just time saves

Eg fireball skip and explosion pogo

[neon island]

Ah, I see

[formal bough]

Do comfepogo on cp

[neon island]

^

[formal bough]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYsRWyHjcmM&ab_channel=mathulu it looks complicated but it is actually very nice

[neon island]

It looks really swag and is made easier than normal cp epogo

[molten aurora]

Alright, I've submitted another run, time to pray I didn't do something dumb to invalidate it

[tired oxide]

Is there an auto split for entering the black egg temple in live split?

[stray kestrel]

there's one for thk scream

basically start of the fight

[tired oxide]

I guess I have to live with that. I wanted to include the potential time it would take to bench and change charms.

Thank you

[stray kestrel]

what category?

[tired oxide]

True End, All glitches

[stray kestrel]

if you're coming from dirtmouth stag at least in NMG, its optimal to bench at dirtmouth instead of black egg but that may be different for AG

[tired oxide]

I think most people in AG do an inventory storage? I think that's what it is called (Bit of a noob to terms right now). So they can change charms at HK scream

[stray kestrel]

that would be bench storage i believe

but it would make sense that they change charms during the scream

[tired oxide]

Yeah, it's something to practice later, along with some other glitches to get the time better.

[civic hamlet]

mm can't grasp 2-3 cycle uumuu

end of that run

feels like uumuu isn't getting stuck in the platform at all

feels even worse on CP for some reason, which is where i have debug mod and practice

[short spire]

cp uumuu is completely different from 1221

[jagged vault]

current patch uumuu cannot be 2-cycled

it moves differently to 1221

overall bouncier, doesn't get stuck in platforms as much, and also takes knockback from dreamnail uses

[lucid stirrup]

theoretically can but no one has so very not worth

[true palm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Chh_BuLfdVI there you go

since he doesnt get stuck, you compensate by moving him in a way to get double hits on your VS. This strategy is a pretty comfy 3 cycle, but can lead to 4 cycles if you get too many extra attacks

[haughty fossil]

(? extras aren't hard to deal with using this setup, you just dash under uumuu from the centre plat to bottom left)

[true palm]

theyre not bad to deal with, but if you're slow to react he can get low, which when he retreats seems like causes you to get less doubles. I personally dont run current patch, this is all based on what i've seen

[molten aurora]

I'm practicing the abyss climb and I feel like I've just lost all hand eye coordination

[true palm]

abyss climbs tough

my brains too slow for that stuff, low% really slows the game down to my level

[old obsidian]

I feel you

[molten aurora]

When you hit it, it's the most fun platforming in the whole all skills run, but my brain just feels like mush right now.

[finite yarrow]

so how do people in speedruns open the kings station gate without going to royal waterways?

[snow dome]

You should check a guide

But mainly shade skipping to Blue Lake at Salubra

You can also get Tram Pass, depending on what category you're playing. But you're likely not playing a category that does that.

[true palm]

theres only a couple runs that open the waterways hatch, few runs go to waterways and they usually do so from right side COT, we open kings station gate for Lemm, not for waterways

theres only 3 reasons to go to waterways, ismas tear, flukenest, and completion runs

[somber cedar]

I tried to nitpick, but "completion runs" really covers it all

[true palm]

completion covers 106 and 112

[snow dome]

All Charms%

[finite yarrow]

Oh ok

[true palm]

im not going to go through every category extension

[somber cedar]

ah, I included stuff like all charms in completion runs

[finite yarrow]

Thanks guys

[somber cedar]

yeah nah fair, wasn't being that serious

[true palm]

point being is that nothing down there makes you any faster at the current moment

except for maybe flukenest

[finite yarrow]

I saw in a run that after talking to lemm they entered a door right of the hollow knight statue

But that door isnt open for me

[haughty fossil]

you need to open it on your first visit to right side

[snow dome]

Watch earlier

They do it before killing Watcher Knights, most likely

[finite yarrow]

oh thanks

[grand token]

I was kind of struggling with that too, i could not remember of that door should be opened before or after WK

Btw after practicing and consistently dying to WK for an hour i now know how why they are the bane for beginners in any%

[tepid osprey]

Yep the equipment and low hp makes them way worse than on a normal playthrough

[true palm]

transitioning from nail to spells is usually difficult at first, since Hollow Knights damage isnt transparent, its easy to just see soul=heal and nail=damage and never use spells

[steady lynx]

Healing is a great way to deal damage though

[true palm]

spore shroom is thk specific though isnt it?

doesnt it do full damage through his stabby phase and staggers or some BS like that

[steady lynx]

It also technically works on PV but good luck with that

I've heard that it hits all THK hitboxes with each hit as well

[true palm]

thats pretty stupid

idk it was super weird to just see people fighting thk by healing right next to them when they're already full hp

add it to the list of charms that you'd never expect to work, like 1221 flukenest

[spare beacon]

anyone know if lantern is viable in all skills?

not looking for WR

[true palm]

if you wanted to route it in you could

but the dark rooms arent hard

[spare beacon]

but dark deepnest

im not fireborn

[jagged vault]

it's only three rooms

[true palm]

theyre not that bad trust me

i run dark deepnest the category

[jagged vault]

once you learn them they're pretty straight forward

[steady lynx]

It's easier than it looks

[cursive jacinth]

^

[steady lynx]

Even I can do it, that's how easy it is

[jagged vault]

learning dark rooms will take less effort than routing in lantern

imo

[spare beacon]

damn

[jagged vault]

but ofc you can do what you prefer

either way, gl on learning the run!

[true palm]

if you were going to route in lantern for deepnest, the easiest would be after you do the dark crystal peaks room (which i think is harder than the other deepnest rooms)

[vague jolt]

I think you'd route lantern in by selling to lemm after sanctum, which comes before cpeaks

[true palm]

but you need the seal from watcher knights

which you want ddark for

[vague jolt]

With something like King's journal and seal, sanctum chest and seal, maybe MV journal and KE entrance journal or rafters seal

[true palm]

shoot forgot about kings journal

you could also pick up basin journal as well

[vague jolt]

Nah basin journal's too far away, and going to basin comes after watchers

[true palm]

if you go right after ghusk instead of quitting out, and quit out on getting it, idk if you need it with the other ones

[vague jolt]

You could, I guess. I'd assume GP stag journal is probably a little faster though (and yeah probably don't need it)

[true palm]

either way, its faster to learn the rooms than it is to route this

[vague jolt]

You're right, but if you want a more comfy speedrun I don't think that this should stop you - it'd only lose 2 or 3 mins I guess

Actually related question - is there any currently-existing speedrun category that goes through the cpeaks darkroom with lantern?

[steady lynx]

One spelless route

[vague jolt]

Oh interesting, I guess that'd be a route that doesn't do shade skip?

[steady lynx]

Yeah, it's mostly to get dreamshield but that strat is pretty dead due to people getting better at longnail strats

[vague jolt]

Oh right I forgot dreamshield baldurs lmao

[steady lynx]

It's mostly that the main reason to go there is DDark usually and if a run does that it goes through the dive entrance and skips lantern

[vague jolt]

Yeah, and 1xx gets lantern later

[steady lynx]

1xx funnily only needs lantern for no eyes

If it wasn't for no eyes 1xx would do dark deepnest

[true palm]

no eyes i'm assuming doesnt spawn in the dark? kinda lame

[steady lynx]

It is indeed lame

[hallow orchid]

If no eyes spawned in the dark we could maybe get salubras last notch

[somber cedar]

Is the THK fight much more resource intensive than the rest of the game? It completely froze my PC last night, and today I dropped tons of frames all over the place.

[true palm]

yup

slobs for me makes the game unplayable in the thk fight

[somber cedar]

This only happens when I record locally, so there's probably something to be optimised there, but idk my way around video stuff tbh

[somber cedar]

oh. well. yes, that sounds familiar

[true palm]

i swapped to obs studio purely because of it

if you're in the same boat as me you can import your slobs layouts

[somber cedar]

oh oof. yeah, that sounds worth a try

can I submit a video to src even with bad stuttering in the thk fight?

[true palm]

if game audio's consistent as well

probably also want to check the show overlays or something like that as well to show your in game fps is dying if you decide to hate yourself and keep using slobs

[somber cedar]

audio didn't stutter, I think?

[true palm]

it shouldnt stutter

[somber cedar]

that's alright then, nice

I'll definitely give obs studio a go, tysm

[true palm]

if you managed to pb with how bad that fight gets thats pretty pog

my first low% run died then and there, i just couldnt handle it

[somber cedar]

this was only my second finshed run, I PB'd by ... a lot

[true palm]

9 minutes lfg

[somber cedar]

that's still with, like, three deaths in there for moar timesave

[true palm]

anyways right here in obs studio

if you click there, it will automatically find your slobs layouts

[somber cedar]

thank you! that's really cool.

I'm used to obs studio from linux, and I kinda just assumed that slobs would be better for windows+gaming

[true palm]

ye slobs is just obs studio except they try to get you to play $100.00 a year for features that take like at most an extra minute to set up

it eats your cpu because its trying to advertise so hard

[somber cedar]

haha yikes

[true palm]

idk give it a whirl, your thk fight will go a lot more smoothly i bet

[somber cedar]

yea, I was suddenly very happy that I have invis thk experience from rando

[true palm]

if you want to do streaming and such you can go streamlabs's website for widgets as well

[true palm]

does rando make invis thk more likely?

[regal viper]

Is there a HK bingo?

[true palm]

yah, you can look in the pinged comments in randomizer about it

also type "?rank randomizer racer" to join randos if you're interested, youll get pinged frequently from people who want to do them

[somber cedar]

it does. the way I understand it is that invis thk is performance dependent and rando + other mods need more perf? but idk really, it just happens way more often there

[true palm]

bingo isn't necessarily rando but its more fun in randos

[regal viper]

I can't finish any% runs consistently yet, I just wanna try bingo with my friends

• I'm a console player, I don't think I can do rando

[hallow orchid]

randomizer bingo is the most popular here but there are vanilla bingo boards too. Just head to bingosync.com and choose Hollow Knight as the game to make a board

[regal viper]

Okay, thanks guys!

[hot pewter]

sped

[timid pelican]

What’s the route for speedrunning?

[dusk portal]

Depends on the category you are running and the version of your game

[steady lynx]

any% you get VS, dash, claw, shade skip, get dreamnail, go to city and die to Watcher Knight

[grand token]

Mood, pretty much what i'm able to do rn

[steady lynx]

(Seriously though, the routes are findable on resources on speedrun dot com)

[civic hamlet]

my previous outburst, while it still sucks, was needlessly childish and non-constructive, my b

[thorn jasper]

I think I saw you had livesplit issues? If you upload your .lss file I can take a look

[civic hamlet]

is that the times file

[thorn jasper]

yeah the .lss file has all the history and times

[sage slate]

Sorry i'm bit random here but does anyone know if lever skip ( in the city of tear ) work in the latest version ? I c'ant seem to get it

[thorn jasper]

the .lss file is just xml, so if you are comfortable with that format you can open it in a text editor

lever skips don't work on current patch

[civic hamlet]

my eyes hurt looking at this but it appears like the times in are actually just gone

[thorn jasper]

I can piece together run history a bit. Have you finished any runs? I see times up through Crystal Heart but nothing after

[civic hamlet]

no runs finished properly with it open no, died to uumuu on my furthest run 3 times

[rotund bramble]

i genuinely do not understand this game and its "optimization". i have a 5700XT and can only pull ~150 fps on 1.2.2.1

[civic hamlet]

dunno why livesplit wont show me those times anymore with that file

im guessing something corrupted

[rotund bramble]

and my gpu use is only around 25%

[thorn jasper]

so without a pb, you'll only be able to see/directly compare against "best segments"

"best segments", or "gold", is the best time you've ever done for that segment. once you finish a run, you'll be able to have that to compare to

[civic hamlet]

i couldnt get that to show

it showed up to the furthest ive gotten to ,every time i opened it before

[thorn jasper]

I think it's like right click -> compare against

[civic hamlet]

what's weird is there IS times in there

because in edit splits

they aren't even in a logical order tho

that i can tell anyway, plus GP is just missing

i see

[thorn jasper]

yeah they also aren't calculated from anything. they are saved separately. and in the .lss file, there's nothing for the greenpath split to work with

[civic hamlet]

wait where are they saved then

[thorn jasper]

still in the .lss file, but a different spot

[civic hamlet]

is there a way to make all the times embedded into the lss file re-appear on livesplit

omfg, there was a file in the livesplit folder from when i made a "just timer" layout and ALL MY TIMES WERE IN THAT LSS, i had no idea i was saving to that the entire time, not sure how the hollowknight lss had the timestamps from the other file as well because this file has em and they load

Crisis averted, thank you all for your support, i was gonna sob

[peak marsh]

||Pisces with a PB in the all skills tournament
49:57, 3s improvement + 2nd 49 ever||

[dull lion]

||I’m back to being named spiscies for a bit out of respect||

||Pisces is insane||

[hallow orchid]

Many people in the discord can't catch the races live and watch it back later, could you spoiler tag the times?

[steady lynx]

What did Pisces do?

||49?||

[dull lion]

So sorry

||yes||

[hallow orchid]

I mean I was watching so I didn't get spoiled just watching out for others haha

[median gull]

||49:57||

[dull lion]

Oh good lol

[steady lynx]

||Good damn that's a good run||

[dull lion]

@peak marsh can you spoiler that?

[peak marsh]

ok

[steady lynx]

||Coming back from +18 as well||

[median gull]

|| timesave next run ||

[slow carbon]

Is there a Quirrel% run for all Quirrel sightings?

[dull lion]

No

It probably follows the route of another category since it doesn’t already exist. I think current patch all skills left side route is basically already that

[hallow orchid]

I think it's just kill Uumuu but visit hotsprings first?

[ionic cargo]

it would be any% (minus city stuff) up to uumuu then straight to blue lake

[dull lion]

Except without an intentional death to mantis lords

[hallow orchid]

you don't have to die to mantis lords, if you enter the room and leave quirrel should spawn

[dull lion]

And a boring dash to lake of uun

Oh I didn’t know that

[ionic cargo]

actually not this, I didnt read 'all locations'

[vague jolt]

The cursed content exists https://www.twitch.tv/videos/321957818?filter=all&sort=time

[kind flume]

I have a problem on keyboard, where if I release and press jump or dash too fast, it sometimes doesn't register. I wouldn't be surprised if it's just my keyboard being bad, but maybe this is something someone else has had, too? Especially noticeable when trying to do optimal wall jumps to lurien and such

I am sure that I release the key the whole way up... Which is what makes me think my keyboard might be bad

[limpid dust]

this game buffer timing are really tiny compare to some other games

[kind flume]

I don't have the same problem on the controller though

[thorn jasper]

might be ghosting. see how the inputs get triggered here: https://drakeirving.github.io/MultiKeyDisplay/

[kind flume]

I've tested for ghosting,. Actually it's the same even standing still and just jumping on the spot

It's probably just bad keyboard :/

[lone pebble]

Quick question anyone know what pest has his split after watcher knights as it's called heart but idk what that is in terms for autosplit

[kind flume]

Crystal heart (skill) if I had to guess

[lone pebble]

Ah that would make sense thank you

[ionic sparrow]

I have subsplits on my layout, so it actually goes Watcher knights -> Lumafly Lantern -> Crystal Heart

It only shows the subsplits once I reach them in the run

[lone pebble]

Oh that's cool how would I implement that seems useful for me starting out to know exactly what's next and such

[ionic sparrow]

if you go to livesplit layout and add a component, you can add splits and subsplits

[lone pebble]

Thank you

[ionic sparrow]

you can google how to name the splits so they shrink correctly

[stark birch]

it actually has been run before, by homothety, who described it as incredibly boring and should be forgotten, lol -- but I'm 70% sure there's a video of it?

[vague jolt]

Look ~17 messages up

[stark birch]

ah sorry I glossed over all the spoilers because I assumed it was race discussion still

[vague jolt]

Oh all the other spoilers are race discussion probably

I probably shouldn't ahve spoilered it lmao

[shrewd shoal]

Is inventory drop on cp actually frame perfect? It feels way to easy to be that precise.

[kind flume]

To follow up, anyone got a good recommendation for a keyboard that isn't bad? C:

No

[vocal dove]

i think most people like razr but for budget i really like my logitech mechanical keyboard

also, yeah xbox series x controller

[kind flume]

i do like my other logitech stuff, maybe it's worth

[grizzled maple]

pins for inventory drop

It's not technically frame perfect. it's physics frame perfect which is slightly more lenient

[kindred ether]

whats the wr for glitchless rn?

[kind flume]

check speedrun.com/hollowknight

[kindred ether]

ok

[kind flume]

glitchless

so nmg I suppose

same tbh

[kindred ether]

what 33 minutes

how

lol

[thorn jasper]

you can click on the row of the table and it will bring you to the run that you can watch from there

[hard fable]

are you guys watching the full credits after every speedrun?

[old obsidian]

if your pc is fast enough you can just quickly alt + f4 out of it

[grizzled maple]

1xx% and other % relevant categories have to watch them, but some people do close the game

[hallow orchid]

I just use it as a chance to rest

what would an any% run be without seeing that wonderful 18% completion screen?

[grizzled maple]

18%

[hallow orchid]

spore shroom and soul catcher

[grizzled maple]

oh my god

[hallow orchid]

it's beautiful, em

[steady lynx]

That's how I got sub 50

Except I skipped Soul Catcher so it was 17%

[patent wedge]

Hey I dunno if I should ask this here but I usually play with a keyboard- would it be better for me to play with a controlller? I’ve been meaning to try some speedrunning

[grizzled maple]

It's pretty evenly divided. Play with whatever is comfortable to you

This game isn't so tight mechanically that it ends up mattering much at all. And there's nothing like bash in ori where mouse has some sort of advantage

[patent wedge]

:0! Thanks!

[tranquil atlas]

I just did my first p5 speedrun

[vocal dove]

there are top runners using either keyboard or controller. it's all up to preference. i even tried using keyboard just for greenpath but ultimately landed on controller.

[jagged vault]

i use keyboard and mouse like a weirdo

and it works for me

[tranquil atlas]

i used to

[jagged vault]

in the end it all comes down to preference!

[tranquil atlas]

then i switched to just keyboard

[hot pewter]

sped

[jagged vault]

#hk-meme

[grizzled maple]

<@&283547423706447872> This person has posted this more than once today

[stuck raptor]

ooh, get muted

[limpid dust]

[shrewd shoal]

I took damage while inventory dropping on cp and this happened. Is this supposed to happen? It has the inventory border stuck on the screen.

[jagged vault]

You seem to have gotten storage if some kind

this is a major glitch

Idk how that happened though, normally doesn’t happen when an inventory drop is interrupted

[shrewd shoal]

I took damage from those floating guys who spew acid at you at the ledge where I was doing an inventory drop.

It was at the start of the drop, not really during it

[steady lynx]

Did you take damage like the frame after pressing inventory button?

[shrewd shoal]

Somewhere around that timeframe

[steady lynx]

That's a purely visual glitch

It's allowed in the NMG ruleset

[jagged vault]

Oh, apologies for the misinformation

[steady lynx]

Just a bit annoying to have on the screen for several minutes

It disappears if you savequit, open inventory

[shrewd shoal]

OK, good to know so I don't panick reset in the future

[lone pebble]

So far I've learnt only upto vengeful spirit got a 4:08 shout outs to thinking I got the double aspid kill and waiting at the door for 5s to realise I didn't so far game is really fun to speedrun

[worthy sluice]

Just wait till watcher knights boss, it gets so much more fun

We all love any% watcher knights

[lone pebble]

I did watcher knights with like nothing anyway lol

[worthy sluice]

If you have questions about the route, ask! Because all of us are willing to help

[lone pebble]

Atm I'm gonna just watch fires guide so far really informative and goes over like every scenario

[worthy sluice]

Yeah its what i used, you pick up some tricks and timings with practice

But the guide is really a great tool

[lone pebble]

There is 1 thing I can't get down tho after the aspid arena the cycle in the next room always manages to hit me like the 2nd metal whatever its called and it seems fire was like half a player model higher

[worthy sluice]

There is the ledge you start on, then there is a step down and then base ground where the metal things come out of if you jump at the right time you can get onto that step down, after getting to that area you do a full jump and pogo the first the second should come up and you can pogo the second

Thats my strat, however sometimes i just wait out the cycle

[lone pebble]

Oh you pogo the 1st and 2nd?

[worthy sluice]

I cant quite remember

Im not the best runner

[somber cedar]

if one strat doesn't work for you, it can be worth either trying out what works for you, and/or watching other top runners to try other strats

[last inlet]

if you hold right the whole time, jump off that second ledge and pogo as soon as you can off the goams everything should work

if you're too low make sure you get a full height jump from the ledge

[lone pebble]

I'll keep trying I've gotten the pogo a few times but idk it doesn't feel consistent and half the time I get the pogo I fall in the pit of the 3rd one

Probably just bad timing on my end

[strong vessel]

Something that took me forever to realize about that room is that the jump off of the ledge shouldn't be a full jump

I always got hit by the second goam when I did one

But a not-quite-full jump and pogo should work the same with no damage-tank, I think

[last inlet]

i feel like this one's a difference in how different people do the room tbh

[strong vessel]

Oh I didn't even read your message

[last inlet]

since how big your jump is is gonna depend on where on the ledge you jump

[strong vessel]

That's also true

[lone pebble]

From top bit or the smaller ledge should I not full height jump from

[last inlet]

you have to jump off the smaller ledge or the cycle wont work (atleast from what i've seen)

[lone pebble]

I mean full jump from the smaller ledge or not as big

[last inlet]

you want to pogo off the right edge of the first goam, whether you need a full jump or not will depend on where on the ledge you jump from

[lone pebble]

Thank you

[dapper cove]

god i haven't done a run in a couple days bc school but i need to keep practicing

[grand token]

I've been practicing watcher knights for nearly 2 hours today, feels like im gettin a lil better but i still managed to beat them only a couple of times, any advices?

[grand elm]

getting the damage cycle on their nail swings helped me a lot

[grizzled maple]

Theres a video pinned in #any-percent-nmg that covers basically the entire idea

Something else you could do is record a fight and experienced any% runners can give advice on how to handle different situations better

This fight really is just learn the proper rotation, then throw yourself at it for several hundred hours. There's so many pattern combinations that it's not as simple as do x thing when x

[jagged vault]

Yeah watchers are a lot about getting the hang of instinctive reaction and quick decision making

[grand token]

Well i still have not got obs or similar installed so for now recording is off the table sadly

[jagged vault]

Something else to keep in mind is that the faster you kill them, the less time they have to kill you

[grizzled maple]

Then my next advice is to just watch a lot of runs on the board and watch how others handle different patterns

watching is almost as good as practicing, because once you're there, you'll realize what you could've done. at least that's how i am

i'm a visual learner though and everyone is kinda different

[grand token]

I pretty much noticed that with the first one which i can do often hitless using the nail fireball nail fireball cycle, landing many damage pretty fast (if not for my crappy laptop keyboard eating fast input)

[grand elm]

(keyboard eating fast input i can feel your pain)

[grand token]

That also seems a really good idea, i need to pay much more attention when i watch other runs

[jagged vault]

Once you get the hang of the fight and patterns: a good thing to think about is:

I am not stuck in this room with them,
They are stuck in this room with me

Offense is the best defense and all that

[grand token]

I also noticed that often healing Is just wasting soul

[grand elm]

unless you have spore shroom

[grand token]

And them rolling while out of soul is a pain, not getting those doubles or triples hurt

[worthy sluice]

Healing is always a waste of soul if you arent good enough to no hit a run you arent good enough to play the game

[grand elm]

4head

[worthy sluice]

Nah, obviously im just more inteligint then you all

[grand elm]

you have ascended

[worthy sluice]

Like gorb

Me not liking to heal probably has caused me a few runs at watchers not gunna lie

[grand token]

4k IQ, I should definitely try not getting hit sometimes

[worthy sluice]

screw it fireball the air

Homeless, just buy a house lol

[molten aurora]

Wait .... It's a whole day earlier than I thought it was, I was stressing about my physics exam, but it turns out I do have time to play HK

[grand elm]

that's... not a good way to see things

i can relate

good luck for your exam

[worthy sluice]

Whats your exam on goose

Im curious

[grand token]

Know that feel, exam in a master segrete in physics in 2 days and i'm here practicing wk

*degree

[worthy sluice]

I was about to say, im not familiar with that topic

[molten aurora]

Still just simple stuff: kinematics and dynamics, I'm only a first year.

[grand elm]

well at least if you can't answer the questions you'll be able to say "i don't know but how about i demonstrate how to defeat watcher knights with only nail 0, fireball and shaman stone"

that triggers ptsd
i'm glad i'm done with physics forever

[worthy sluice]

Ahh kinematics is super fun Vi(t)+.5(m)(v)^2 is great

[grand elm]

wish it were that simple

[worthy sluice]

Favorate equation

[thorn jasper]

Question 1 on that test: what initial velocity do you need to yeet this conversation into #off-topic ?

[molten aurora]

Ewwww, you're a .5 weirdo, it's 1/2

[worthy sluice]

Slaurent, youre such a party pooper

[harsh mason]

whats the escape velocity of #speedrunning

[molten aurora]

Sorry slaurent

[grizzled maple]

3 offtopic messages in under 1 minute

[harsh mason]

how much Δv do i need to escape hk-main too

[grand elm]

banish physics

[worthy sluice]

Yall are so mean

Imma go beat ALL of yalls times just to spite you

[grizzled maple]

good luck

[grand elm]

good luck !

what category was the time in your nickname ?

[worthy sluice]

(On console)

[grizzled maple]

i have the all achievements wr so that'll be a treat to see

[steady lynx]

Have fun with 112

[grand elm]

i think that's checkmate

[steady lynx]

All of the 112 cats

[harsh mason]

dont you only have that on technicality

[jagged vault]

Em did you run all cheevos on console?

[loud jackal]

why would you subject yourself to all achievements?

[harsh mason]

doesnt ax actually have it

[grizzled maple]

yeah monstah timer broke

[worthy sluice]

ALL OF YOUR TIMES WILL BE MINE

[grand elm]

112 cats where

[worthy sluice]

JUST YOU WAIT

[harsh mason]

oh did monstah beat it

[grizzled maple]

nah ax's was slower because he didnt know 112

monstahs was first

he just had that issue and would have to go by rta

[jagged vault]

@loud jackal it’s tradition that runners do it when they get twitch partner

[grand token]

Actually tecnically WK attack pattern is a stochastic process so physics kind of on topic (Just joking)

[steady lynx]

Nobody should ever run all achievements on console Blue

[jagged vault]

I don’t wanna pls save me

[grand elm]

what about uumuu's brownian motions

[grizzled maple]

i believe in you blue

if you manage journal better than me its free rekkie

[jagged vault]

Instead of sucking at one 112 run i can suck at 2.5 in one sitting

[steady lynx]

There's this thing with journal where you need to kill like 30 Jennifers

Who kills 30 of that enemy?

[grizzled maple]

yeah thats the worst part and my best advice

kill jenny AS MUCH AS YOU CAN before infection

like even go back for her sometimes

[harsh mason]

do all achievements ag

[steady lynx]

There's one spot with two

[grizzled maple]

there are literally two in-game left after infection and its hecked

[worthy sluice]

Alright i finished, i beat all of your times using no clip and mods

[steady lynx]

AAAG wouldn't even be too much faster

[worthy sluice]

Ez wr

[harsh mason]

even my 0 second true debug% 😔

i didn't know - time was possible

[worthy sluice]

Yep all of the runs

All dead

[molten aurora]

All the runs except your pb

[steady lynx]

I'm sorry to inform you that all mods are banned for runs

[grizzled maple]

except on hkmods where some mods are allowed

[steady lynx]

Furthermore I'm very confused how you got mods on console

[grand elm]

any% nmg with an ak-47

[jagged vault]

Val i’m pretty sure that exists on the modded boards

[grand elm]

i think so too actually

[thorn jasper]

it did but no one ran it iirc

[steady lynx]

Modded boards, right that exists

Has like 7 runs total

[hallow orchid]

there's a debug%

[thorn jasper]

gun mod got yeeted because no one ran it

[grand elm]

sadge

[worthy sluice]

My friend is streaming hollow knight and uhm well, he spelled his stream title “hallow knight”

[molten aurora]

Spooky stream.

[harsh mason]

extremely cool

[worthy sluice]

Imma backseat him thru the speedrun rouht

[steady lynx]

If he's not speedrunning this isn't the chat for this

[grizzled maple]

backseating people is kinda uncool

[harsh mason]

please write the story down

pretty much The Silmarillion 2, its that good

[steady lynx]

Can I make fun of people who haven't read the other books then?

[harsh mason]

if they havent read a nugget talk about backseating a stream called hallow knight have they really experienced the tolkien universe to the fullest

[hallow wave]

ive had alot of issues with hollowknight.... apparently right around greenpath my fps drops to 30 or lower

i will have to experiment with hollowknight when i get better hardware

its just not playable

[haughty fossil]

if you're on 1221 framerate is significantly worse

[hallow wave]

yeah as its not optimized as hard.....

[molten aurora]

At all*

[grand elm]

any% current patch is fun too, if you really can't make it work

[knotty wedge]

Can someone help with speed running tactics for hk

[grand elm]

hk as in the game or the boss ?

[knotty wedge]

game

[grand elm]

for what use ?
do you want to speedrun the game, or just get achievements ?

[knotty wedge]

both

I have most achievement tho

[haughty fossil]

for competitive runs, guides on speedrun.com will get you started
for achievements:

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[knotty wedge]

already watched and read that

[thorn jasper]

@knotty wedge if you were born in 2009 it means you aren't at least 13 which would make you too young for discord. might want to change that name

[knotty wedge]

09 stand for when i created my account sep 09

[tardy sable]

it's acutally 1909

[grand elm]

what else do you need then ?
your question was kind of vague

[knotty wedge]

how to beat game fast my latest(this morning) took 11hrs 34min

[grand elm]

so first i know it's heart breaking but you have to shave off the talk with elderbug and the 10 hours of sitting with quirrel at the blue lake

[low bramble]

there are plenty of guides on speedrun.com and fireb0rn has a great any% NMG guide if you want to get your time down

[knotty wedge]

I never sat at the lake

[grizzled maple]

[grand elm]

discord is not old enough to be on discord

[knotty wedge]

I spent 1hr taking to elder

[grand elm]

a disturbing thought

[limpid ruin]

I doubt you read that or the pins and still be in need of help tbh

[jagged vault]

Looks like #hk-help may be the place for you if you’re looking for help with the speedrun achievment

[knotty wedge]

Can someone help with the game speed run especially beating hornet sentinel

[limpid ruin]

We did, we pointed you to resources for it

[grand elm]

which one is that i always forget

[knotty wedge]

2nd

[limpid ruin]

It doesn't even matter, no one here knows that's for sure

[harsh mason]

what category

[grizzled maple]

For hornet 2 i recommend watching Pisces's All Skills guide

[jagged vault]

^

[grizzled maple]

It's the only detailed guide on that fight

[harsh mason]

because the strategies are different if you're doing TE vs AS

[jagged vault]

Not really katie

[harsh mason]

well you don't get ddark in TE

[grizzled maple]

It's similar enough only all skills dives on needle throw

[harsh mason]

so saying ddark, needle isn't valid for te

[jagged vault]

It’s pretty much the same but you can dive one attack in AS

[grizzled maple]

the goal is still shade soul doubles because shade soul is faster

[grand elm]

if you're trying to get through the game without any restrictions on things you have to collect, maybe it's better not to fight hornet 2 altogether

[knotty wedge]

thanks emray

[limpid ruin]

Eh, they are, blue, bc ddark has its uses where its faster with ddark

[jagged vault]

I guess, yeah

[harsh mason]

what if im doing good te route too

[limpid ruin]

Like whenever she's too mean to leave a corner ddark

[harsh mason]

shriek only has wraiths and vs

[grand elm]

shriek route

[lone pebble]

I finay got a sub 4 vengeful spirit split (3:58) that's pog can't wait to learn greenpath and miss every fireball skip :)

[thorn jasper]

missing every fireball skip is my specialty

[lone pebble]

I tried them casually because I saw them and I was like ez failed miserably but acid lake skips kinda free hate that they are unbufferable tho

[grand elm]

i get soul catcher so i can get the fireball skip with 3 fireballs hehe

[thorn jasper]

I tried them casually because I saw them
make sure to use quick cast and not focus

[grand elm]

plus it helps with the fireball setup for cp epogo it's useful i swear

[lone pebble]

Yeah I didn't know that was a thing until yesterday lol

[harsh mason]

3 shouldn't be much easier than 2

[grand elm]

it feels like it

or maybe i'm a dumb and i could have done it with 2 all along

[harsh mason]

most peoples issues are
turning around too much before fireballing
too much delay between fireballs

neither of which are fixable even with infinite fireballs

[lone pebble]

Simple solution get mothwing and mantis claw and just do fireball skip skip

[grand elm]

i think it kind of helps with the first ?
because if you move back slightly to the right after turning around then the backwards momentum from the third fireball can correct that ?

also it fixes the problem of not jumping from close enough to the edge

[harsh mason]

i mean usually peoples issues are purely height, not distance

[limpid ruin]

My issue is just that I'm bad at fb skips and forget how to muscle memory them regularly

[grand elm]

i think i'd be more comfortable getting a current patch explosion pogo (with the fireball stall setup) than a two fireballs fb skip

go figure

[peak sedge]

I have trouble with dark room in peaks before dd

[molten aurora]

If you haven't I'd watch the pisces all skills tutorial, he has a really easy way through the cpeaks dark room.

[peak sedge]

Ok thanks

[lapis bridge]

I am trying to decide whether to start out with All Skills or Any%, since I know both are good for beginners, but I am not sure which one to choose. Are there any other factors to help me decide besides the difference in difficulty and length?

[hearty adder]

If you like movement more, All Skills has some neat parts

Like Abyss climb for example

[molten aurora]

The most important factor is fun. That being said, all skills is a lot easier than any%

[hearty adder]

Any% is pretty linear compared to AS, so if movement isn't your forte then maybe consider that

[lone pebble]

I haven't done a run yet but all skills is probably more fun because movement based stuff while any% has fights where you have less and some cool skips

[hearty adder]

Bosses are also more challenging on any% since you barely have equipment - if you're interested in harder boss fights,that might be better (though AS has Hornet 2, which is p hard)

[stark birch]

the best intro to speedrunning category is NKG% in this essay I will All Skills has darkrooms, Isma's Tear, and Hornet Sentinel as major pain points; Any% has Watcher Knights and optimally QGA as its major ones. in my opinion, avoiding any% watcher knights is its own reward

[hearty adder]

1432 NKG% specifically

[lapis bridge]

Yeah I started out learning any% and watcher knights were quite painful

[hearty adder]

If you want to run any% on current patch, you can try sporeshroom route

Sporeshroom absolutely decimates The Hollow Knight on current patch (i think because of some weird hitbox shenanigans)

And you get to skip Queen's Gardens afaik

[lapis bridge]

I do like the idea of nice movement in AS, and although QGA is cool it would be nice to skip

[graceful helm]

Sorry to interrupt but i was recemended here by #hk-help and #archived-modding-help and i was wondering if anyone can help walk me through how to downpatch to 1.2.2.1?

[lapis bridge]

Thanks for the info, I think I'll probably go with All Skills for now because watcher knights and movement, and I can always switch if I don't like the length

[thorn jasper]

there's a guide in the pins

[graceful helm]

you surious

thanks

[thorn jasper]

if you already read the guide and still need help then say so. we get a lot of people who don't realize the pinned messages are there

[graceful helm]

thank you

[lone pebble]

Downpatching from my experience isn't the easiest pretty confusing at times and can mess up seemingly out of no where definitely do ask these people they are very helpful

[graceful helm]

you all are so kind thanks

[knotty wedge]

can someone help with speed running the game

not for achievements

[fallen forum]

is there anything specific you need help with?

its difficult to give super general advice that isnt just “go look at a guide”

[knotty wedge]

tips and tricks like someone monitoring my game play and telling me what to do

[thorn jasper]

that's a huge ask

[knotty wedge]

that's why im asking

[thorn jasper]

if you post small recordings we can give feedback

but asking for like 1-1 coaching is a lot

[molten aurora]

I've been practicing the abyss climb and got to a point where I'm pretty happy with it, does this seem okay? (Ignore the fact I listen to PoP music when I practice )

[stiff delta]

a lot of times you can figure it out pretty easily just from watching guides and or other runs and just comparing them yourself

[limpid ruin]

I hope you're prepared to pay if you want coaching on that detail level tbh

[thorn jasper]

<@&283547423706447872> sniper kid is almost certainly 11 or 12. see the message I'm replying to for earlier context

they claimed to have made the account sep 09, which is not true

[knotty wedge]

can you stop commenting like that cuz I know I cant do anything cuz it's not against the rules but it's starting to get a little... annoying.

[limpid ruin]

Kid, what you're asking is super showing of immaturity, and it's really tiresome to deal with

[coral holly]

i mean, defending yourself might be a good idea since being under 13 is against discord terms of service and will result in a ban

[stiff delta]

yo we got sock in here?

[desert kiln]

i can't be the first one to find this: is there any use for it? probably not honestly

[stiff delta]

when do we get sandal

[limpid ruin]

We've told you about resources to learn, but you keep asking for more

[grizzled maple]

nice to see you again sock

[coral holly]

is there any more evidence that they're underage outside of 'the name has 09 and implies 2009'

hi emray

[knotty wedge]

I've tried and compared my game play after some time of practice almost no change

[stiff delta]

theres a ton of little things like this around the game, cool find but im not sure it has a lot of use

[grizzled maple]

just the attitude and the fact that they have disregarded any resources we've pointed them to, showing strong immaturity

[stiff delta]

i love hk hitboxes

[limpid ruin]

Yo this is useless but omg that's a useful spot to know of for when panicking 👀

[jagged vault]

They said the 09 stood for them making the account on september 9th

Which is not true

[grizzled maple]

At the worst, they're toying with us

[jagged vault]

According to a little bird called ?whois

[grizzled maple]

if not actually a kid

[limpid ruin]

Lying online? Never

[shrewd shoal]

Their age doesn't really matter - but the attitude certainly does

[abstract shore]

Yeah

[limpid ruin]

The age does, bc tos

[stiff delta]

i mean age does matter lmao

[knotty wedge]

09 stands for sep 09 not 2009 I was actually born 2007 and will soon be 14

[stiff delta]

snail

[abstract shore]

If we know it

[stiff delta]

thank you ?whois

[desert kiln]

true, true. sorry for creating a whole 'nother conversation in the middle of a more important one

[grizzled maple]

no you're good salrei's hope

[abstract shore]

Anyway, don't toy around here and take resources seriously if people are willing to help you out. Don't waste people's time pls @knotty wedge

[desert kiln]

has anyone else found that specific one?

[grizzled maple]

Yep

It's completely useless though

[desert kiln]

lol ik

[bronze anchor]

I found that spot as well while practicing QG haha

[desert kiln]

oh cool, thank you vorime

[knotty wedge]

what ever im going to go practice on PoP

[jagged vault]

Good find! Those spots are caused by the thorn hitboxes slightly misaligning with the ground

[stiff delta]

ok

have fun

[jagged vault]

They look kinda funny which is neat

Thornwalks

[desert kiln]

yup. i panicked and that's exactly how i found it

[jagged vault]

Some are even useful

[stiff delta]

i think the most if not only useful one i can think of is PoP thorn jump right?

[jagged vault]

Like the one in PoP

[stiff delta]

gottem ggs blue

[jagged vault]

And one slightly less useful in WP

[stiff delta]

well played

[jagged vault]

Thornyump

[desert kiln]

i was practicing herra split. well, actually i'm learning it for the first time

this game is super fun to speedrun

[limpid ruin]

(Pro tip for when you grow up and experience more: reacting like this to being called out on stuff is gonna lead to big issues for ya)

[stiff delta]

this is true

[limpid ruin]

Other than that gl on pop, it's a good run

[desert kiln]

fireb0rn's tutorials are amazing, thanks to everyone who made all those strats in the community, and thank you for indirectly, and maybe directly one day, helping me learn the run!

[knotty wedge]

k thanks not like I already have way too many issues thanks to C19

[lone pebble]

Pop speedruns look so cool

[stiff delta]

they are very fun

[normal aspen]

dw infection rates are lower in children

[stiff delta]

insom lmao

[graceful helm]

so i got the steam patcher and i think it works but every time i try and downloading a version it just stops after saying its downloading

[haughty fossil]

yeah you gotta wait

[molten aurora]

Does it actually say it's failed? It doesn't show that it's downloading.

[haughty fossil]

there's no indication of progress til it's done

[graceful helm]

oh