speedrunning

[true palm]

you ask for role from mods nicely, like
Can I pwetty pwease have speedwunner wole QWQ
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/mk7wgp5y

also path of pain should definitely count

[runic seal]

Pwetty Pwease Gib Wowe QwQ

[true palm]

considering theres folks who've done kings pass IL's for role

[runic seal]

Cries in Aluba%

[true palm]

aluba% pretty pog, but its not as pog as al2ba%

[runic seal]

I know my next run after I take Blue’s place after far too much practice

[molten aurora]

When you somehow miss this rule after multiple times reading the rules

[true palm]

sometimes people get it mixed up with IL rules which only have to show it at the end of the run

but take solace knowing that you aren't the only one

[molten aurora]

I do feel pretty dumb, but I know I can just record another run pretty easily, so it's not the end of the world

[civic hamlet]

is there a way to consistently not get jump interrupted into a fall when summoning false knight? only sometimes does it push me back to the ground and i dont know whats causing it

my streamlabs with my key overlay wasnt recording so thats just a shadowplay but i can assure you i was holding jump

[true palm]

you need to pogo the husks, your jump will always be eaten

but if you pogo the husks die before you fall

you lose no time to pogoing because you can slash him in the air

theres a lot of things that cause your jump to be eaten (baldur instakills, false knight, a jennifer (jumping husk) hitting the ceiling) to name a few, and directional inputs get eaten all the time (ask any true ending runner about sideslashing the true ending shade instead of parrying it), its a big complaint about running this game

[limpid ruin]

the main reason for jumps being eaten is when a physics entity bonks in the roof, and the game not controlling properly whether its the knight or something else that bonks (examples: enemies bonking, debris from a cart, the shell fragments from the Baldur, etc). Thats also similar to why Skurry look up/down tolls work, I believe, so there's a fun theme going

[dry sluice]

Yeah I don't know fsms too well but my understanding was it sends a global event and so anythin with the same name all get triggered at once. Look down/up have something like "End" and thats very common throughout fsms in the game so looking down can cause a bunch of jank at the right time

[molten aurora]

Alright, I've lowered all my obs settings, my game is starting to resemble a potato. But hey, now it won't take 24 hours to upload a run

[true palm]

you dont need amazing video quality to submit a run, so don't sacrifice game performance to record at a higher resolution/framerate than you can support

if it needs to be 30fps at 640p to get a smooth high ingame framerate so be it

youtube already compresses the hell out of the videos anyway

[molten aurora]

I have a pretty good pc, I never noticed any difference in game performance while recording, it's just the upload times.

[true palm]

ah makes sense

youtube compresses everything to death so it doesnt really matter

you can still copy the link while its uploading and get it submitted, its very unlikely someone gets to your run in the queue before it finishes uploading and processing

[molten aurora]

Actually, I do notice one difference, the kp inventory drop, it takes slightly longer to close when I record, but I think that might just be a difference in my modded version vs vanilla.

[true palm]

thats modded/vanilla difference

[molten aurora]

It took modders <12 hours to mod my run today, I don't mind waiting till it's fully uploaded to not waste anyones time.

[true palm]

the assemblies different so theres minor variations particularly with loads

[molten aurora]

I figured that might be the case, the only time I'm ever on my vanilla install is when I record, so I couldn't be sure if it was obs or not.

[true palm]

back in the day menuing was also just different on modded, you hovered over continue instead of options and default save was a different file, not sure when they changed that to represent vanilla

[meager current]

And some enemy cycles and stuff I think

[true palm]

ye thats load based differences

i've almost looked into load normalizer for low% to change a couple garpede cycles and crystal peaks cycles, but even if it saved a couple seconds, i wouldnt want to waste extra hours of my life in loadless time for a better cycle

[molten aurora]

Alright, time to record another run (with the title screen this time), wish me luck

[limpid ruin]

Gl. You got this

[molten aurora]

Haha, too easy

[neat swallow]

I’ve only just started speedrunning all-skills and I’ve been practicing the run into like 4 segments, getting really good at the first quarter of the run and then moving onto the next and I was wondering if this was a good way to get the hang of it or if there is another way to do it

[molten aurora]

I've been running it for less than a week (and speed running in general). The way I learnt, was spending about 30 hours going through and following along with the pisces video tutorials. Practiced the bosses/skips I know I struggle with till I felt comfortable, then just did runs.

But that's what worked for me, everyone learns differently.

[neat swallow]

Yeah

I watched the wr vid and basically wrote down everything they did and then looked at the route for stuff I didn’t write in notes

So I’m basically just trying to learn the route and where to go

[molten aurora]

If you haven't, check out speedrun.com, the pisces video guide is amazing, it goes into A LOT of depth. It takes ~8 hours to just watch the entire series, but it's the sole reason I can even complete a run.

[neat swallow]

Ok thanks I’ll watch that over the period of this week or so

One of the main things I need to work in is shade skip so I’ve made a file and gotten up to shade skip and I’m just doing it over and over to practice

It’s working pretty well I get it 70-80% of the time I’d say

[molten aurora]

What platform are you on?

[neat swallow]

Ps4

So I have to do current patch routing lol

I can’t afford a pc ):

[molten aurora]

Ahhhh, okay, it's a lot harder to practice a lot of things without the debug mod. But backing up saves to refight bosses and such is a good idea.

Also, that video series I mentioned is for 1.2.2.1, most of it is still very relevant though.

[neat swallow]

Ok thank you

Haha thanks

Yeah

Me and a few people in my PS4 friend group are trying to speedrun so hopefully a few of us will get somewhere at least

[molten aurora]

The fact that you're here means you're off to a good start

[neat swallow]

Haha thanks

I thought the first thing I should do is get help from people who speedrun

[molten aurora]

There's a lot of really knowledgeable people in here, just don't listen to anything that Goose guy says ...

[neat swallow]

Lmao

[molten aurora]

I've played 16 hours a day for nearly a week, what is 'burnout'

[neat swallow]

I can only really play on weekends because of school so during the week I try and get help from speed runners or watch videos/write notes

[molten aurora]

Hi

[neat swallow]

Lmaooo

[molten aurora]

Sum of best segments should be shorter than total run length, it's the sum of your best ever segments, not just in that run.

[normal aspen]

Even if you only make it half way and then reset

[molten aurora]

Oh sorry, my bad, I have no idea then.

[neat swallow]

I can’t even use livesplit because console ):

[normal aspen]

Just delete the fake golds

[molten aurora]

I hate watcher knights with a passion, I died to them in my pb just now ... in all skills

[normal aspen]

Right click > edit splits and send a screenshot of what you see

[neat swallow]

Now that I think about it how do I actually time my runs if I don’t have livesplit?

[normal aspen]

Ur wk and uumuu habe golds

So I assume u had a run make it past that and so it saved those goods

If you want to compare to pb just set Personal Best as the comparison

[haughty fossil]

sum of best is supposed to be better than your pb

[neat swallow]

I know that but do I just have to use my phone timer or something?

[haughty fossil]

it is the sum of your best times

[haughty fossil]

you don't have to, timing is done manually anyway

but can be nice to use a phone timer so you know your own pace

[molten aurora]

Alright, time to start uploading this run and pray it doesn't get rejected again

[neat swallow]

Ok thanks

[ionic wraith]

can you down grad on the xbox

[normal aspen]

No but console has it's own leaderboard

[ionic wraith]

oh ok thanks

[neat swallow]

Anyone know if there are categories up to stuff like mothwing cloak or d dive?

[haughty fossil]

aluba% goes up to cloak and a little extra

all skills current patch only goes up to dive if you're like me

[stray kestrel]

Elderbug% does basically up to dive then a bit of stuff after

[haughty fossil]

the "bit of stuff" is flower quest to elderbug 🥴

actually with no infected crossroads that sounds fine

[limpid ruin]

elderbug% is pretty much just rush dive then get flower, yea

[stray kestrel]

unless you do nmms

Then its get vs, and oob for a few mins

[limpid ruin]

glitched running on console sounds like an experience tho 🥴

[stray kestrel]

Elegy% CP NMMS I guess

[molten aurora]

Does anyone know roughly how much time playing on chinese saves over playing on english?

[stray kestrel]

depends on the category

And how much dialogue from like lemm and seer there is

[neat swallow]

I play on English and I’ve never really tried Chinese so I’m not really sure

[molten aurora]

Yeah that's fair. I run all skills if you have any ideas

[haughty fossil]

30s-40s in any%

all skills is less because of no lemm but it's still free timesave

[neat swallow]

Would it be easier starting out on doing any% before all-skills?

[haughty fossil]

top tip for any%; all stag menus are 1 down
top tip for any category; write stag instructions in your splits so you can read livesplit rather than memorising them

[molten aurora]

All skills is easier than any%, but run whatever you think you'll enjoy most.

[haughty fossil]

eg; in this split i stag by interacting, looking at livesplit and then pressing up twice

[neat swallow]

I’m gonna start with all-skills then and slowly get myself into the harder categories

[molten aurora]

I really need to do this, but I'm lazy. So I'll wait till I plateau then swap to chinese for easy time save

[old harness]

when do you think a sub 30 any% run will happen

[molten aurora]

Never, unless big time save is discovered.

[true palm]

current route would probably have a 30:XX time, but sub 30 doesnt seem probable even with perfect rng and movement

[haughty fossil]

where's the old screenshot of xero saying a 36 was "possible with near perfect execution"

[errant osprey]

Hey, want the speedrun role, told me to post here with a proof of valid run
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/ywd3oq9z

[haughty fossil]

path of pain meme

context; current wr is 2:05

[molten aurora]

Poor xero

[true palm]

but wasnt that before the thorn standing was discovered, and a different cycles?

[haughty fossil]

exactly

[old obsidian]

205*

that second is important okay

[true palm]

ye dont discredits schy's hard grind

[old obsidian]

also thorn skip saves 4 seconds

[haughty fossil]

the wr i verified was 2:06

[leaden python]

lol every time it's Xero who doesn't believe in further development of a category

[old obsidian]

exactly

im just joking btw lol

it's a good meme tho

[true palm]

idk i think the number of thorn skips level innovations it would take to lower any%'s time to sub30 without a complete route change is pretty unrealistic personally

[old obsidian]

interestingly enough the 2:17 isn't a bad run and there's not many things that have changed since then

still interesting to think that somehow there's 12 seconds of time save

minus 4 from thorn skip

[molten aurora]

Just don't heal

[true palm]

how new is dashmaster/sharp shadow (i think you use sharp shadow idk)

[old obsidian]

yea

to be fair there's been a lot of strats actually

[true palm]

also you kill the kingmoulds pretty damn quick now too

[old obsidian]

like thorn skip, dashmaster, sprintmaster, current patch, new cycle last room, cyclone drop first room

I think those are all from the 2:17

[true palm]

im assuming changing to current patch also changed inventory drops to dives which dives are faster in POP im guessing?

[old obsidian]

nop

slower

[true palm]

dang

they look fast

[old obsidian]

you just somehow save a ton of time in the last boss fight

and the cyclone slash is prob faster than inv dropping

if I guessed

[true palm]

ah makes sense

[old obsidian]

yea iirc kalasky had a 26.8 on 1221 first room and my best on cp is 27.00

should be equally fast

but otherwise it's 0.7 second time loss first room just bc of not being able to inv drop

[true palm]

oh i guess the first room has a really long drop so uncapped fall speeds nice

[old obsidian]

since the animation after ddive is very slow and you take a ton of time for standing up

and that yea

[true palm]

all in all its been insane what you've been able to do for POP, that PB streak was nutty

wasnt it like 3 or 4 pbs in like a couple days?

[old obsidian]

btw since it's kind of relevant in order to get a sub 2 minute run you'd have to get a faster 2nd room cycle, or as I call it the tas cycle and this is my current progress

[old obsidian]

yea lmao was wild

but to be fair after the 207 it took me like 2 weeks getting used to dashmaster and find all the different strats for it and I literally did not run pop at all aside of practising every single room

[old obsidian]

and that's still not optimal enough btw but it shows that the tas cycle might be possible but will be very tight to get

[true palm]

it looks like most of what the TAS did seems like it has potential to be RTA viable but very tight, nothing looked frame perfect, but I wouldnt know since i dont run path of pain

[old obsidian]

i mean as an example

this is from the timing the tas cycle pretty much

and the strat to beat the cycle would be to get fast enough there before the cycle in the end returns to jump over it

and the only reason I dont get it is frame perfect walljumps

so I don't see it being possible really

but then again my walljumps arent the best from the community so maybe someone will get it

[true palm]

makes sense, wall jumps always look easier than they are

i whiff em daily and i run the category thats just wall jumps

[old obsidian]

the amount of time you can lose to not frame perfect wall jumps is insane

lmao

a mood ngl

[haughty fossil]

low% just ignores a button on the controller

[old obsidian]

spelless as well tho

[true palm]

pressing my trigger to dash when i run other categories always feels weird

[jaunty anvil]

Low% Spelless

[old obsidian]

lmao

[jaunty anvil]

actually no fireball skips

so u would hav 2 get dash

[digital jewel]

This was a pasta lol

[old obsidian]

just pressing no button at all at that point

ah lmao

not as if I said that seriously after the 205

altho I'd still say that seriously idc

[true palm]

after my next pb in low%, planning on running some good old cursed shade cloak before mothwing cloak and shade soul before vengeful spirit

[old obsidian]

I dont see a sub 2 being possible as proven above so I'll stay by my point

pop won't be further developed

aside of perhaps a 204

mark my words

wait you can collect shade soul before vs?

[true palm]

yup

[old obsidian]

damn wtf

[true palm]

its kinda cursed

you have to do cheeky baldur kills with longnail and fury

[old obsidian]

yeaa

spelless hits diff

that sounds like fun tho

[normal aspen]

What about clawless shade cloak cyn

[true palm]

thats too cursed

[normal aspen]

Homothety will love you

[old obsidian]

you can get shade cloak clawless

[true palm]

i was looking into it

[old obsidian]

what

[true palm]

and the shades hate me

[old obsidian]

oooooooooooo

shade skip shade cloak

sick

[normal aspen]

It's spice

[true palm]

you get dreamgate

and perform multiple consecutive skips

softlocks you after you do it too

[old obsidian]

I've seen once a rando route from zv where they shade skipped dashless clawless towards sth idk for like an eternirty

looked sick tho

some rando skips are really insane

[normal aspen]

Yo I gonna do any% for much longer btw cyn

Saw u got a 42

[true palm]

might, its what i run when im sick of not dashing

[haughty fossil]

rando skips = "i think this is doable with some weird set of items. let me throw myself at it for 20 minutes"

[normal aspen]

Try like 2 hours jame

[true palm]

i was watching someone run any% and im like damn my 47 sucks ass so i did a couple runs

[haughty fossil]

then you get it and go "this is run viable lol"

[old obsidian]

rta viable rta viable

[leaden python]

I don't believe I got jebaited by a pasta 😤

[haughty fossil]

reading logic? going for dense areas? no thanks i'm shade skipping to journal below stone sanctuary tyvm 😤

[normal aspen]

Okay but wra8ths 9nly soul catcher should be in hard you can't silence me

[true palm]

eh i finished hallownests crown clawless the other day actually so maybe i'll try clawless shade cloak again

[normal aspen]

I hear there is a really cool spreadsheet for if u lile rando skips

[leaden python]

why it took me so long to realize that insomnia isn't drunk but just has one of those numbad-inflicted laptop keyboards

[normal aspen]

It's my phone kb

[leaden python]

yeah, or this

[normal aspen]

I recently made it smaller and am still adjusting

[old obsidian]

how do you type with phone

[normal aspen]

Poorly

[haughty fossil]

i have a numpad laptop keyboard

[leaden python]

do you swipe or just type?

[haughty fossil]

that also is mechanical but in the worst way to make a keyboard mechanical

[normal aspen]

I just type

Swiping feels weird

[old obsidian]

there's mechanical keyboard laptops?

wha

[haughty fossil]

don't buy them

[true palm]

whoa

[old obsidian]

i see

[haughty fossil]

they're actual garbage

[old obsidian]

sounds like it a bit ngl

[haughty fossil]

a total key travel of 0.0003mm

makes loads of noise and feels worse to type on than a normal laptop kb

[old obsidian]

ngl

[true palm]

sounds pretty quality to me

[old obsidian]

I love writing on laptop keyboards

[haughty fossil]

yeah like a normal laptop kb is pretty poggers ngl

[old obsidian]

like I mean there's some people who write above 200 wpm on laptop (altho there's obv more people writing above 200 wpm with a normal kb)

because laptop is actually broken

and I personally also write a lot faster on laptop it's a lot of fun

[haughty fossil]

100% mechanical keebs though 😤

[old obsidian]

hit diff

I need someone to gift me a blue cherry kb

[hearty adder]

Kinda off-topic maybe, but the Redragon Kumara keyboard is pretty cost effective compared to other mechanical keyboards and has cherry blues

[rough compass]

?rank randomizer racer

[sick raven]

@rough compass, you joined Randomizer Racer.

[old obsidian]

thanks for the recommendation I'll check it out :)

[hearty adder]

I'm actually getting that one today so i can tell you how it goes after using it for a week or so

[old obsidian]

sounds good

[errant osprey]

Hey, I want the speedrun role please, told me to post here with a proof of valid run, so here it is
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/ywd3oq9z

[runic seal]

Beat my PB for Aluba by 18 seconds this morning. Forgot to hit record but now I have a better goal and better splits to beat

[steady lynx]

Pulling an Ax

[runic seal]

[hearty adder]

the recordn't pb is a classic

[runic seal]

I’ve only recently started. Maybe only like 10 hours practicing this run and I hadn’t recorded anything before... yesterday? 😅

[steady lynx]

I still randomly forget to turn on game sound in obs sometimes, haven't finished a run like that though

[runic seal]

My fastest recording didn’t have sound QwQ.

[hearty adder]

recording issues are half the fun of speedrunning

[subtle glade]

Is there a way to set an autosplit when you break the king's pass door?

I want to have a king's pass split but I don't know what autosplit to use

[true palm]

you need ordered splits checked

[dapper cove]

you can use a split for entering dirtmouth

[true palm]

and theres a split for it

its a runner preference, theres some people who do it, i personally just look at my time during the load

[subtle glade]

Is there?

[haughty fossil]

King's Pass (Area)

[hearty adder]

The name in the autosplit menu is "King's Pass (Area)"

[true palm]

ordered splits means that you're splits will only check in order, so make sure you understand the route thoroughly

[hearty adder]

shoot

[dapper cove]

i just look at the time bc there's not too terribly much in the way of optimization in kings pass

[hearty adder]

was opening my splits to check but livesplit didn't wanna cooperate fast enough

[subtle glade]

Oh, so King's pass area triggers when you leave king's pass?

[dapper cove]

there's just skipping hardfalls and vengefly pogos

[haughty fossil]

correct hub

terrible name i know

[hearty adder]

King's Pass optimization is cursed

[true palm]

theres quite a bit more, i can reach a half a second difference purely by jumps

optimized kings pass is unironically hard

[subtle glade]

I thought it is used in runs that go to cliffs to split when you reenter pass, weird name

[dapper cove]

I was meaning more the ways to skip a couple seconds but yes that too

[true palm]

idk not all the split names are perfect

and theyre oddly precise sometimes

[dapper cove]

yeah

[true palm]

like Beasts Den Trap Bench

[hearty adder]

having to optimize King's Pass is probably the worse part about running very short categories

[dapper cove]

i would assume so

i'm just going to work on my larger stretches for now

[true palm]

once you optimize kings pass, you'll constantly be resetting runs to just "shit slashed too early and missed a swing, thats going to be a 53)

[dapper cove]

the ones i struggle with like hornet 2 and dark beasts den

which albeit only took me 40 minutes bc i was learning the route as i went

while i was running i had pisces' video open in the background just following step by step

[subtle glade]

This is my livesplit for now, what do you guys think?

[dapper cove]

and then i need to work on not dying in peaks

[subtle glade]

I will probably add some more city splits

[dapper cove]

it looks fine to me

you could always add a Lemm split if you want a city split

[true palm]

split chandelier, so you can time you wk fights imo

[hearty adder]

Looks good, make sure to have ordered splits on and that all your autosplits are where they need to be

[subtle glade]

Good idea

[true palm]

also following the comsob splits helps a lot for future reference

[thorn jasper]

any% route could split gorgeous husk and chandelier yeah

[hearty adder]

The autosplit for this I think is called "Watcher Spire Chandelier (event)"

[dapper cove]

i should add that to mine hold up

lemme open up live split lmao

[hearty adder]

or something along the lines of that

[thorn jasper]

and then lantern instead of lurien

#any-percent-nmg has the community golds sheet pinned. check there for "standard" splits

[regal viper]

Hey guys I lowkey want to speedrun PoP but I play on console, is there a way to repeat PoP multiple times in the same file?

[true palm]

watcher knights can have quite a bit of fight variance especially when you're learning the fight so isolating it is useful information imo

[true palm]

just quit out before kingmoulds when practicing

you'll only be able to submit a single run per file though

[regal viper]

Oof

That hurts

[thorn jasper]

one of either ps or xbox can save/reload backup saves

[steady lynx]

PS4 can backup saves

[jagged vault]

on ps4 you can extract save files to an usb

[thorn jasper]

the other just gets a time penalty if the lever is open

[jagged vault]

then overwrite them

[regal viper]

Cries on switch

Lol

[steady lynx]

Doesn't switch have cloud backup?

[stuck raptor]

you can also load saves onto switch with an SD card

[steady lynx]

You'd think I'd know this

[subtle glade]

By the way what exactly does the "ordered splits" thing on autosplit do?

[true palm]

autosplitter normally goes through and randomly checks all the splits happening every second, ordered splits means it only checks the next split iirc

[jagged vault]

^

[true palm]

splits will only split in order if its checked so you need to make sure you're following the route if you want things to split correctly and you're autosplits need to be in correct order

[subtle glade]

Oh so then in the autosplit settings I need to have them in order?

[true palm]

yes

[jagged vault]

ordered splits are required for runs that include pantheons

[true palm]

this is standard any% but they want kings pass split

[jagged vault]

you can also have them on normally to eat up less PC resources

in runs that don't have panths

just make sure the autosplit triggers are in order then yeah

[dapper cove]

My split names for any% which I have yet to fully use bc I've never finished an any% run

[true palm]

but if you have Uumuu before watcher knights for instance in your autosplitter by accident, without ordered splits your splits will still work, but if you have ordered splits checked nothing will split till uumuu, and then everything will instant split

[jagged vault]

lmao the chandelier name lol

[dapper cove]

well

[subtle glade]

Nail upgrade tho?

[dapper cove]

it works

i suck at the run ok

leave me be lmao

i need the nail upgrade

[jagged vault]

nail upgrade is good for beginners, nothing wrong with it

[subtle glade]

I probably will too, don't worry

[jagged vault]

it isn't required to do the optimal route immediately

[true palm]

its pretty optimized too

[hearty adder]

Though maybe it'd be a good idea to not have the nail upgrade autosplit, for when you wanna do runs without it?

[jagged vault]

yeah good point zana

[true palm]

you pick up the journal above mantis village and the seal in rafters, sell to lemm before wk and get upgrade, and quit out to spire bench

[dapper cove]

i'll also say i find it funny how i spent like a month trying to get the speedrun achievement on xbox hk and then got it unintentially when speedrunning

maybe idk i just have it there for now bc i've yet to even finish an any% run

bc i just get owned at watcher knights and even after practicing i've gotten nowhere closer to beating them lmao

[subtle glade]

Lemm is after or before watchers? Didn't look at city route yet and I want my splits in order

[dapper cove]

i'm better at hornet2 than wk so i went for all skills instead of any %

[subtle glade]

I'll try to learn nail0 for now

[true palm]

nail 1 is somewhat helpful, doubles your nail damage, but in particular, doesnt help that much once you learn watcher knights since most damage comes from hitting vs on both knights

where as most nail hits only hit one knight

[dapper cove]

i'm just really bad at timing so i normally go for pogo strats

[subtle glade]

Nail1 is like 9 damage, vs is 15 without shaman's

[dapper cove]

bc i can never seem to land a double on the knights

[true palm]

but you get shamans in nail1 route still

[dapper cove]

and with pogo it's somewhat easy to dodge attacks

[subtle glade]

I know but I have no idea how much it increases the damage lol

[true palm]

and you hit both knights with shamans, doing 40 damage most of the time

[jagged vault]

shaman vs is 20

double hits add up a lot tho as cynisism is saying

*cynicism

[subtle glade]

So is lemm before or after watchers?

[jagged vault]

can i call you cyni for short?

lemm is after for nail0

before for nail1

[true palm]

i'm not sure where the video for nail1 is

but the routes simple

[dapper cove]

i've been calling them cyn

[true palm]

theres a journal pick up right after mantis claw, which you grab before quitting out

after spire lever, take the bench, and go to rafters to the left of Lemm

sell to Lemm, and buy nail1

then quit out to spire bench

when picking up geo after lurien, skip the seal

[dapper cove]

i'm just thinking about all the ways i could save time on my all skills run now

beat hornet first try instead of like second or third

stop dying at peaks, kingdoms edge, ismas, and dark deepnest

and then learn the fireball skips and epogo

[true palm]

i've heard cyn, cyni, cynic, constructive, cynicism, take your pick

[dapper cove]

and boss scream skips when applicable

for me it's always just toof

[subtle glade]

Epogo is not that hard, I got it down to like 4/5 successful in like half an hour

[dapper cove]

although slaurent called me too of which i find funny

[true palm]

the only scream skip in all skills is thk at the end, which saves a few seconds, and in all skills you can scream skip skip

[subtle glade]

How do you do the scream skip skip

[true palm]

you abyss shriek before the final scream which kills him

[dapper cove]

isn't it just killing him so quickly

that he doesn't have time to scream

[true palm]

specifically abyss shriek

[dapper cove]

ok

[subtle glade]

Probably because it deals the most damage?

[dapper cove]

but you wouldn't have shriek unless you went to the overgrown mound and isn't that not the route everyone does?

or has the route changed and i'm dumb

[haughty fossil]

it's a little finicky because his health resets to 250 and then you have to do all the damage

shriek is used in all skills and 1xx categories

[dapper cove]

ok

[haughty fossil]

in any% you don't get any spells other than VS

[true palm]

all skills gets all the skills, which is the category im referring to

[dapper cove]

i thought we were talking any%

with scream skip skip

[true palm]

i was talking about how you said you needed to learn boss screams in all skills

[haughty fossil]

scream skip skip doesn't exist in any%, or at least not to any reasonable degree

[dapper cove]

ok

sorry i'm a bit frazzled all the time lmao

[subtle glade]

They said in all skills there is a skip skip

[hallow orchid]

106 uses flukes and 112 doesn't even fight THK

[haughty fossil]

i personally have got it once in practice with absolutely insane rng, though i can't find the clip in my mess of videos saved 🥴

[true palm]

any% scream skip skip is when you try scream skip at 1 hp and die

[haughty fossil]

shriek is used in all skills and in my head

[dapper cove]

lmao

why am i contemplating practicing my runs during class

that is not the thoughts of a sane person who knows what's best for them

[subtle glade]

I certainly know I'm doing that

[true palm]

a problem with all skills scream skip skip is theres a very special interaction in hollow knight where you can have your abyss shriek just not come out if you do it too fast

[subtle glade]

What class?

[dapper cove]

game development

we're presenting our games in progress

[subtle glade]

Cool

[dapper cove]

there's only three groups so

and then afterwards we're just working in our groups to check in and know what to work on

[subtle glade]

I'm currently in high school so I guess playing during class is more acceptable

[dapper cove]

true

i have to actually pay attention because gpa is more important in college but still not all that important

[ionic sparrow]

dont blow off school, its important

[dapper cove]

i know pest i'm trying to talk myself down lmao

[subtle glade]

Don't worry, I pay attention during the important lessons

[haughty fossil]

don't be like me

[dapper cove]

i'm honestly checking to see if my run gets verified everyday because i'm so excited

[hearty adder]

Stay in school fellas, hobbies are pog but getting an education is very important

[dapper cove]

or do what i did

turn your hobbies into what you're studying

i'm majoring in game programming so gaming literally is my education

i could use this to make mods and just analyse code to make everything as optimal as possible in speedrunning games i don't know much about

[subtle glade]

I'm trying to get into IT too, but I don't know what profession just yet

[hearty adder]

Anyways, best not to get too off-topic here

[humble zealot]

ew school but ok

[dapper cove]

i know i tried to bring it back

[hearty adder]

Once you get your run you'll be able to post on #sr-offtopic - remember that this channel is mostly for help with speedrunning

[dapper cove]

gotcha :)

[subtle glade]

I guess I could get one trash run early and then practise a lot

[humble zealot]

As I was coming here to say, any watcher kight tips? I'm going for the 5h achievement but Im stuck. I thought I'd ask here because I have basically the same stuff as an any% speedrun would.

[hearty adder]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[humble zealot]

ok

[haughty fossil]

if you're going for 5hr achievement you should get ddark, is good spell

[dapper cove]

yes

then ddark the living shit out of wk

[fierce egret]

helpful for the watcher knights

[hearty adder]

That's usually how everyone starts - just getting one run done will help you see where and how to improve

[fierce egret]

i did a fireball skip for the first time today

[haughty fossil]

my first any% cp run was 2:4x:xx

[dapper cove]

gotta start somewhere

i still need to complete an any% run

[fierce egret]

my first any% was sub 8hrs

[hearty adder]

My first any% cp was around ~3 hours, way before I started posting here

[dapper cove]

my first all skills was just barely under 4 hours

but my goal was sub 4 so i'm proud

just gotta polish the things i already know and then learn the skips i don't

[fierce egret]

i'm going to try to at least finish a run today

[dapper cove]

gotta commit dark deepnest to memory

i might try and to an any% run today

[fierce egret]

i can't do the fireball skip consistently

[hearty adder]

Any% will help you learn dark deepnest

Already knowing the layout will help immensely

[dapper cove]

yeah

[hearty adder]

What's the problem? We can give some tips

[dapper cove]

i looked through pisces' video and just followed it during the run which was good

[dull lion]

My first any % was 4.5 hours with ~ 30 deaths to THK. Yes I had SS and ddark. Yes I still dont understand how I managed to be that bad

[dapper cove]

i actually got a decent chunk of the way through the first room without watching the vids first

i eventually caved though bc i knew i wouldn't get it without a vid

[fierce egret]

i tend to jump too late and end up falling

[true palm]

i'm sure someone will give you tips, but mosquito pogo is pretty easy to setup and theres a husk pogo as well for when you inevitably whiff them in a run

[fierce egret]

i know there's a really small threshold you have to jump at

[dapper cove]

yeah i always go for the mosquito pogo instead of the fireball skip bc it's much much easier

the hard part for me is turning around to fireball

[true palm]

you dont need coyote frames on the last two jumps if you double fireball

[civic hamlet]

WK killed my run in a very weird way that i do not understand at all https://puu.sh/Hrs2K/a07b06d7e1.mp4

[true palm]

pause and unpause

[dapper cove]

to switch directions?

[stuck raptor]

2 timescale reset events happened at the same time

so it's stuck

[civic hamlet]

awh what....i coulda kept going? i thought it was bugged and alt f4'd out

[true palm]

pausing and unpausing resets timescale

[stuck raptor]

pausing sets timescale to 0. unpausing sets back to 1

[dapper cove]

oh for that ok

[civic hamlet]

this is good to know, thank you

[hearty adder]

at least you'll know for next time

[true palm]

won't happen very often

[dapper cove]

my problem with fireball skip though is i end up casting in the wrong direction

[hearty adder]

do you play on keyboard or controller?

[dapper cove]

keyboard

although controller to me isn't any easier

at least for fireball skip

[true palm]

socd cleaner

[hearty adder]

then you'll probably want to get the SOCD cleaner on #resources

#resources message

[true palm]

its this magical program that makes fireball skips easy mode, so you know how if you hold left, and hit right, you pause in place

[dapper cove]

i was about to ask for the specific message lmao thank you

[true palm]

well with socd cleaner if you tap right while holding left, you'll turn around for a quick second

its the equivalent of claw grip on controller

[hearty adder]

You don't need to do claw grip on controller to do fb skips though

[dapper cove]

oh ok

[true palm]

you dont need socd cleaner to do skips either

[dapper cove]

which folder to i put the file in?

[true palm]

both are just easier for people usually

[hearty adder]

I think just doing it all analog makes it easier, but that's just how i learned to do fb skips before i found out people did the claw grip method

[true palm]

i claw grip most fireball skips

i dont clawgrip any% ones

[dapper cove]

...but which folder do i put the SOCD cleaner in

[hearty adder]

the github page should specify

but i don't think it needs to be anywhere in specific

[true palm]

github page should talk about setup

[ionic sparrow]

you just run the exe

doesnt matter where you put it

[dapper cove]

thanks!

do i need to run the exe each time i boot up my computer?

[hearty adder]

also read the whole page so you can make it so the socd cleaner only runs when playing hk (or any other game you wanna use socd cleaner for)

[dapper cove]

i'm getting so frazzled bc i hear class going on and just everything is going a million miles an hour sorry

[subtle glade]

By the way, is the second fireball skip much harder than the first? I get the first one pretty consistently but I can't the second one to work most of the time

[true palm]

i'd assume that the exe doesnt add itself to start up so id run it every time

[ionic sparrow]

im pretty sure the newest release of the cleaner only does anything if HK is active

dont quote me on that but im very certain that that's how it works now

[true palm]

2nd one you need to hit coyote frames to avoid bonking

so you need to jump later

[hearty adder]

by first do you mean the Hornet one or the one after Baldur kill?

[true palm]

1st one you can jump earlier

[hearty adder]

I don't recall if you're doing 1432 or 1221

[ionic sparrow]

ah nvm there's a bit about that on the readme

[subtle glade]

First one is the hornet one, I'm doing 1.2.2.1

[ionic sparrow]

you need to change a little bit of stuff for that to work

[dapper cove]

i'm so confused do i need to run the SOCD every time I boot up my computer (like after shutting it down)

[ionic sparrow]

yes

[dapper cove]

ok

[ionic sparrow]

its an exe

it runs when you run it

[true palm]

you missed a skip on the way to greenpath then

right after the elder baldur you can avoid going the winding way

[hearty adder]

For future reference, you should probably refer to that one as 2nd fb skip or hornet fb skip, on 1221 with the quick baldur kill you have enough soul to do another fb skip

[true palm]

its a single fireball skip, saves 3 seconds

[dapper cove]

i'm sorry i combed the github page and couldn't find instructions so i'm coming here bc i am big dumb

[subtle glade]

I know, I just find it pretty easy so I stopped counting it lol, probably confusing for other people

[hearty adder]

But like they already said, using coyote frames for the 3rd fb skip is probably a good idea, or else you'll be bonking

it's kinda tight but once you get it down you get it down

[true palm]

anyways for the fireball skip by the totem, practice jumping after your feet leave the platform

[hearty adder]

plus 1221 has the soul totem there

and the little moss friend

[true palm]

focus on just not bonking

if you miss it dont double back and try again

just keep going and get the husk at the top lefts attention

he'll fall down and you can pogo him

[subtle glade]

I usually tried it twice by getting soul from the totem when I was running

Then I went to the husk

[true palm]

afaik going back and trying again using soul totem and mossy boi is only like a half a second faster than just pogoing the husk when you factor in time to collect soul and backtracking

[subtle glade]

Makes sense, I'll go to husk immediately from now on

[true palm]

if you never fireballed you're welcome to try again, or if you have enough soul for one fireball you can try for that

but waiting for mossy boy takes a minute

[subtle glade]

Oh and what's coyote frames

[true palm]

its a wily coyote reference, its when you jump when you're sprite isnt on the platform

[subtle glade]

Oh lol

[true palm]

you can jump in the beginning of your fall

you'll see your dust from your jump dip down a little

[subtle glade]

And I'm sorry for what I'm about to do, but your*

[true palm]

idc about grammer usually

i notice and go back and correct mistakes a lot

[subtle glade]

I think I did coyote frames a few times on accident before, is the timing hard?

[true palm]

not really

coyote frames are implemented in games to make jumping feel better

its a bit of a grace period for casual players

[subtle glade]

On a scale from shade skip to clawless shade skip where would you put it

[true palm]

shade skip

[subtle glade]

Alright, so not that hard

[true palm]

clawless shadeskip isnt the worst either, now clawless dashless shadeskip with 1 fireballs a little spicy

id say you can get that skip like 90% consistent

without a lot of effort

[dapper cove]

oh wait wrong image lol

there we go :)

[civic hamlet]

beautiful

"sia" best one

[dapper cove]

yuh

the chandelier gotta be good

kachow is cloak btw

claw is a reference to toy story and the aliens

umizoomie is heart

[thorn jasper]

If anyone else doesn't understand Sia, I'll save you the trouble: ||"Chandelier" is a song by Australian singer Sia from her sixth studio album, 1000 Forms of Fear (2014).||

[dapper cove]

i agree

her ableist ass deserves nothing

[regal viper]

Are there any tutorials on PoP speedrunning or do I just watch runs and start granding?

[old obsidian]

There's a guide on speedrun.com for path of pain

[stable quarry]

Fireborn has one on any%

[old obsidian]

but if you still have questions you can always hit me up

[digital jewel]

I don't think the any% tutorial is going to help for path of pain ngl

[stable quarry]

Did not know that was what PoP stood for sorry

[digital jewel]

no worries

[stable quarry]

I have prakticed the watcher knights a little today but strugle with getting 3 hits and a fireball for the damage rotation.

[short spire]

there's not much super mechanically deep going on in path of pain that can't be picked up from videos honestly, it's just a lot of really tight execution and knowing the cycles you can make. probably just wanna check out a bunch of different leaderboard runs and see what level of strats you wanna start with

[regal viper]

Yo thanks SCHY

[regal viper]

Sounds good aswell

[old obsidian]

yup agreed

the only thing I can recommend from the guide is having a lot of different strats shown with all the different times

since beginner strats aren't too bad honestly and they dont lose too much time so seeing different beginner strats to learn path of pain isn't bad

(which you wont see on leaderboards run tho

highly depends on your skill level though but yas

[stable quarry]

Is there a good place to practise that timing

[regal viper]

I consider myself above average at platforming in this game

Not as avobe average as anyone in the leaderboards but decent

[old obsidian]

I see yea fair

[haughty fossil]

god imagine being good at jumping in hk

[old obsidian]

depends on what your goals are but if you just want to get into top 3 then you shouldnt really worry about dashmaster too much since it only saves half a second (and with the wr last room cycle 1.5 seconds)
Otherwise there's probably not too much to it

also dashmaster might be fixed in 1.5 so it might be a waste of time to learn current dashmaster

also playing on 1221 loses a second overall but is overall a lot easier (depends on your pc hto)

[regal viper]

I play on console

[old obsidian]

Oh I see

well then dont mind that

[regal viper]

Okay

I'm not aming for top 3 at al btw

Sub 5 pop or even sub 10 sounds really hard

Those are my main goals for now

[old obsidian]

I see yup

[short spire]

which console are you on

[regal viper]

Switch

[short spire]

ah damn i dont think switch has an easy way to refresh path of pain

on ps4 you can use an usb stick for save files

[regal viper]

Yeah that's a shame

[old obsidian]

well you still only have the +2 second time penalty

so it doesn't matter too much

[regal viper]

I guess I'll practice without killing the guards

[old obsidian]

yea

[regal viper]

And when I eventually want to submit a run just take the +2s

[short spire]

yeah thats pretty reasonable

[regal viper]

And get all skills + awoken dn yet again

[meager current]

Most skills

[old obsidian]

dashless pop

[regal viper]

You don't need nail arts or shade spells right?

[old obsidian]

well for the quick kill on the kingmould you'll need the shade spells

[regal viper]

I guess you do need shade soul for the knights part

[old obsidian]

at least the ddark and shade soul

[regal viper]

Oof

2 hours of setup for every single run

[meager current]

Rip

[regal viper]

Do you need to finish the game to access pop?

[meager current]

No you just need awoken dreamnail and movement abilities

[regal viper]

That means I don't have to go through deepnest at all

Nor kill WK

Nor Uumuu

Right?

[meager current]

I think

[regal viper]

Ok alright

I will route it lol

[meager current]

Real all skills route

[regal viper]

If someone wants to help me getting the route down, dm me please

Bc I want to set this up fast

What charms are needed to do pop?

Do I need every charmslot?

[old obsidian]

depends on what you shoot for
charms that I'd personally suggest would be sharp shadow, unbreakable strength, shaman stone
depending on if you wanna go with or without sharp shadow it'd be at least 5-7 charm notches if I guessed

[regal viper]

Holy

This is gonna be a nightmare to setup

[limpid dust]

I mean it depends if you wanna get a close to hitless run of path of pain overcharmed or if you wanna be more chill with a few healing charm

[hallow orchid]

can you back up a switch save to the cloud, then turn off auto backups and restore when needed? Or does that not work

[regal viper]

I don't know

[mint sand]

Hi all

What is a sure way to do the lever skip in queens gardens

The one that exploits dying in a place and spawning next to the lever

[digital jewel]

what patch are you on

[mint sand]

Also do you need a certain patch for it

I dont know either

[digital jewel]

it doesn't work on the latest patch

[mint sand]

Only specific patches enable the lever skip in city of ters too right

[haughty fossil]

if you haven't gone out your way to downpatch you're on 1.4.3.2

[ionic cargo]

yes

everything pre 1221 iirc

[haughty fossil]

correct, lever skips are only available on 1221 (and white palace levers on 1.0.2.8 i believe)

[mint sand]

... i just saw go xero on fireborns video 2 min ago

[haughty fossil]

yes we are a community of cool people (iflx)

[mint sand]

Im honoured

Which patch enables all skips

[true palm]

depends, run 1221 for most nmg categories

[limpid dust]

1.2.2.1 is the best for speedruns

[mint sand]

Especially the inventory in mid air

[limpid dust]

Most of them*

[mint sand]

I still cant do it even when smashing I with a hammer

[haughty fossil]

1221 is optimal for most NMG runs (apart from menderbug% and spelless 😤)

[mint sand]

Im trying to start any percent

[ionic cargo]

1221 is terrible for god home ending

[true palm]

1221 has inventory drops, lever skips, hazard warps, baldur instakills, its what fireb0rns guide covers

[mint sand]

But im not getting anywhere without the inventory in midair

Kk thanks

[true palm]

its the fastest category for any%

[mint sand]

Yea i tried baldur instant

And got smashed

[true palm]

you can inventory drop on current patch, but its frame perfect, and on earlier patches you can map drop instead

also on current patch you can only inventory drop off ledges

[mint sand]

Now i cant open inventory in air

Yea

[true palm]

will say before you start downpatching, 1221 isnt toaster compatible

[mint sand]

Thanks for all the help everyone

[true palm]

so make sure current patch is running well before you start

[mint sand]

Im planning to practice on a new computer

When i get it in a few montha

Now i only have a lenovo t400 that frequently overheats and shows bsod

[true palm]

feels bad

[vale blade]

hi everyone, when I try downpatching the game, it tells me this whenever I enter the command in steam console, any fix ?

[true palm]

you ran the steam downpatcher right?

[vale blade]

I ran the command through the steam nav console

[true palm]

so step 1 is to download the patcher

step 2 is run the patcher

then you run the command

you dont have the privileges from steam to downpatch, so the executable overrides that

this was an old feature that was removed, and this simply reenables it

[vale blade]

I already downloaded the patcher for older portals runs I did

yet it doesn't work x)

[true palm]

you need to launch the patcher everytime you restart steam

[vale blade]

yeah ik

i'll just browse the internet for some tips dw, thanks still

[true palm]

how old is your downpatcher?

[vale blade]

eh my portal runs are 1 year old at max

[haughty fossil]

it had to be updated a few times because steam screwy, the version we use is custom from 56 (ifl56)

[true palm]

the downpatcher we use is fairly new

like this last one was like a couple weeks old right?

[vale blade]

which one ?

[true palm]

its on the guide

[vale blade]

ok i'll check everything then come back

[true palm]

sounds gucci good luck!

[vale blade]

thanks mate

[true palm]

no problem, downpatchings fickle

[hearty adder]

downpatching is arguably one of the things people get help for the most here, everyone has problems with it

if you need further help i'm sure people would be glad to assist

[haughty fossil]

now if only steam could just not take away basic features from us like downloading files they host

[true palm]

yah idk corporate brains really made a decision that has logical reason to it, and wasnt arbitrary and just inconvenient for everyone

[old obsidian]

weirdly enough on my old pc 3 months ago I read a lot about how you can't download the depot without the steam patcher but I somehow did it just with the steam console

was surprised that I did the exact same on this pc and it didnt work

[true palm]

thats weird, id assume the code they implemented to disable the features just spaghetti sometimes, further proof there's no reason for it to be there

[digital jewel]

probably you had a really old version of steam

[vale blade]

I think it's finally working, thanks for your help bois, any tips for new runners ? 😄

[true palm]

if you're on keyboard, download the socd cleaner, make sure to pick up a copy of debug mod, learn to use quickcast

[vale blade]

no worries about this, i'm on a controller

[true palm]

in terms of the hardest parts of any% (assuming ur running that) its going to be watcher knights, and qga

but recommend just following along with fireb0rns guide in debug mod

dont overstress vengeful spirit split in particular, its unironically hard to optimize

your time is better spent on later parts of the run

[vale blade]

yeah i'll be running any% nmg I think, I've already started watching some guides, but i'll keep going. Is hoping for top 50 in around a month too much or perfectly doable ?

[stable quarry]

What does the steam patcher atchally do?

[true palm]

top 50s probably a little high, in a month, assuming you do maybe 2 hours of run/practice a day you could hit a sub 38

not your first speedgame so idk everyone learns different

[noble widget]

uhh could i get some help? i successfully downpatched the game but now i'm trying to install debug mod...i downloaded the universal modding API and copied the stuff into the game files and now whenever i open the .exe the game just sits on a black screen :(

[true palm]

steam patcher edits steam to temporarily give you the privelege to download depots, which are currently still hosted by steam and theres no reason they shouldnt be just downloadable

[true palm]

did you download the 1221 Assembly

[noble widget]

i downloaded 1.2.2.1 but i don't recognize assembly no

[true palm]

assembly is the file to replace for debug mod

and modding api

did you use the mod installer?

because if you did thats where you went wrong

[ionic sparrow]

mod installer doesnt work for 1221

yep

[digital jewel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/298798821402607618/817653175586783242/Assembly-CSharp.dll

this is the updated modding api for 1221

you most likely downloaded a current patch one

[stable quarry]

How temporarily are we talking?

[true palm]

download that baby and drop it in your managed folder in hollow knight

[digital jewel]

if you close steam you need to restart it

[noble widget]

so once downloaded where would i put that?

[true palm]

download that baby and drop it in your managed folder in hollow knight

[noble widget]

ah yeah that's what i thought

[true palm]

there should be a file with the same name

go ahead and replace it

[noble widget]

yeah i see it, tysm

yay :D it's working

thanks guys!

[true palm]

no problem

[noble widget]

well it loaded

but i don't see any mods loading in top left

[true palm]

you need to download debug separately

[noble widget]

yeah aight

[true palm]

#resources message

[stable quarry]

Is there any problems with having multiple downpatches using the steam patch metod

[true palm]

so what you'll do is make a folder inside Managed called Mods, and download that thingy and slap it in there

[true palm]

if you follow all the steps, nope

[stable quarry]

I had issues making multiple with the deput? Metod earlier

[true palm]

switch pro and generic gamepads arent supported in old versions so if you need to use them you need ds4windows or joy2key

[noble widget]

ayy there we go

neat, thanks

i've downloaded mods in the past but it was thru modinstaller

[true palm]

you missed some steps probably, what were your issues?

[stable quarry]

The patch I made last worked fine but the one I did first could not find the dll

[true palm]

you have the wrong executable i'd assume, so you're saying current patch still works, but 1221 does not?

[stable quarry]

Yeah

[true palm]

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\content\app_367520\depot_367521 so if you go here

you should see an executable, drop that one in your 1221 folder

[stable quarry]

Executable would mean an exe file right

[true palm]

yup

[stable quarry]

Makes sence

Is there any advantages to deput metod vs steam patch metod?

I think there where but forgot what.

[digital jewel]

steam is easier

[true palm]

depot method is harder, but has a progress bar

[digital jewel]

some people find the other method easier though so

🤷‍♀️

[true palm]

some people also feel uncomfortable typing in steam credentials in a 3rd party program

if steam updates, steam downpatcher doesnt work

[stable quarry]

I took deput becouse I was worried something would happen to steam..

[true palm]

makes sense, both methods are equally valid

the end results the same

and both methods are safe

[stable quarry]

Thanks

[molten aurora]

Youtube, why you do this to me, I just spent 12 hours uploading that

[true palm]

ahh did you not verify or what?

[molten aurora]

I didn't know I had to.

[true palm]

youtubes dumb af sometimes

theres a 10 minute video cap if you havent verified

but they dont tell you while you're uploading XD

[molten aurora]

The thing is, I've already posted a 1 hr 30min video with no issue.

[true palm]

idk thats super jank

[molten aurora]

I looked around, and some people have said it's possible to reinstate the video, but none of the methods have worked for me. I'm guessing I just have to bite the bullet and reupload.

[true palm]

so i copied the link to an uploading video for an src submission, but forgot to let the video finish uploading, closed the tab, and got the wonderful your run was rejected message 5 days later

whats you're upload speed?

[molten aurora]

Almost non-existent.

About 0.4 Mbps

[true palm]

YIKES

if your download speeds better you might want to look into compressing the living shit out that video with some 3rd party software

youtubes going to do it anyway

[stable quarry]

content does not seem to be a folder

[true palm]

thats for steam downpatching

i didnt know you did depot downloader

[stable quarry]

oh

[true palm]

it would be wherever it initially installed to

assuming you copied the files to a new folder, and didnt cut them

[stable quarry]

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam is as far as I came

[true palm]

its in your depot downpatcher folder

not steam

[stable quarry]

ok

Hollowknight downpatching\depotdownloader-2.3.6\depots

In that one I have a folder called 367521

Would that be the app or the depot?

[digital jewel]

excuse me?

[thorn jasper]

Is this to Ekkoet or was there a deleted message?

[digital jewel]

the first

367520 is the app ID

and 367521 is the depot ID

but I don't understand why the question matters

[true palm]

its the depot im pretty sure

[digital jewel]

are the files in there? in that case you're good

[true palm]

he grabbed the wrong executable, so we have to find the install

[digital jewel]

how do you get the wrong exe

[true palm]

idk

[digital jewel]

all the files are downloaded together

[true palm]

but its the wrong executable

[limpid ruin]

its not the wrong exe it looks like?

[stable quarry]

What am I doing wrong I get that message consistently..

[true palm]

its asking for unityplayer.dll which is a 1432 exe

[digital jewel]

ekkoet what guide are you following

what are you doing with the downpatched files to get that error

[stable quarry]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten

[limpid ruin]

huh fair. Mixed it up with UnityEngine.dll

[stable quarry]

that one

[digital jewel]

describe what you're doing and I can try and figure out what's wrong

[digital jewel]

this is the downpatched folder?

[stable quarry]

Thats the forder I move that I start current patch in

[digital jewel]

where are you moving it

[digital jewel]

and that is the downpatched folder right?

[stable quarry]

Yes

[digital jewel]

if you open hollow_knight_Data

what's the last level file in there

or just scroll to the bottom and tell me the name of the last file

[true palm]

the last file

all the way to the bottom

[stable quarry]

sharedassets498.resource

[true palm]

so thats current patch

[digital jewel]

that's current patch yeah

[stable quarry]

Yes

[digital jewel]

you didn't intend it to be current patch though right?

[true palm]

i'll let xero take it over since they're cute and know more than i do

[stable quarry]

Yeah I did

[digital jewel]

you downpatched to current patch

[limpid ruin]

but then why did you want to downpatch

[digital jewel]

I'm confused

[stable quarry]

yeah

[digital jewel]

why

[stable quarry]

Its just to test if having more than one patch would work

[ionic cargo]

how can you downpatch to current patch lmao

[digital jewel]

having more than one patch does work

[stable quarry]

Not for me..

Or is it just a problem with downpatching to current patch

[digital jewel]

aaaaaa

[limpid ruin]

its 99.9% sure the reason it doesnt work is something you did wrong

[digital jewel]

the reason why your current patch "downpatch" isn't launching is because there's no unityplayer.dll

[limpid ruin]

exactly what that would be is hard to say, bc we didnt see it happen

[digital jewel]

but why did you do any of this

you could have just copied your already installed current patch

[limpid ruin]

and added steamappsidwhatever like the guide said

[stable quarry]

The thing that confuses me is that I am pretty shure I did the same thing for both and one works and the other doesent

[true palm]

because you're missing Unityplayer.dll

[limpid ruin]

then retry it but while paying closer attention to every step

[true palm]

see that bottom file?

its current patch specific

[stable quarry]

This is the one that works 1.2.2.1

[digital jewel]

yes

[stable quarry]

It is also missing the thing ..

[digital jewel]

yes

because that is 1221

it doesn't have that file

[stable quarry]

oh

[true palm]

"see that bottom file?
its current patch specific"

[digital jewel]

look is there any more problem, because it looks like you already have your downpatch set up

I don't understand why you tried to download a 3rd version of the game but on current patch to prove anything

[stable quarry]

No, not really I just thought they would be the same as I did not see any difference in the guide so I was just going to test having two and choose current patch becouse I know I would spot the difference if it worked

As I dont know the difference between 1.2.2.1 and 1.1.1.8 and so on

[true palm]

1.2.2.1 is the default fastest patch for nmg, if you're running a glitched category, you'd know what patch you need

[jagged vault]

1.0 is base release

1.1 patches are hidden dreams

1.2 is grimm troupe

1.3 is lifeblood

1.4 is godmaster

[dreamy bough]

(usually 1028 for glitched)

[stable quarry]

More like I would spot the difference on start up but I guess I could just have looked at the numer down to the left

Just so I dont think I have two different patches and they both are 1.2.2.1

[true palm]

startup doesnt vary that much, some backgrounds arent available on different patches, theres a removed controller notice

[dreamy bough]

yeah number down to the left, backgrounds

[digital jewel]

just fyi it would have been a lot easier to help if we'd known what you were trying to do at the start

[true palm]

i was under the misconception that your 1221 install was broken and 1432 was fine, not both were fine and a 3rd copy was broken

[stable quarry]

Sorry, think I mentioned it to CC

Atleast I thought I did

[drifting scarab]

How do you do the first glitch in Aluba% (or really most CP AG runs in general) where you create two menu screens? I know you're supposed to do godseeker mode + a normal mode, but I don't know how to get to that point.

[stable quarry]

Anyways thanks a lot.

I am less confused now..

[true palm]

its frame perfect @drifting scarab, but let me find insomnias guide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd-dogenag0

[drifting scarab]

Frame perfect as in physics update or frame perfect as in actual frame rate?

[true palm]

physics frame perfect afaik

timing doesnt start till after you get the glitch

[drifting scarab]

I'd say that's a relief but I'm pretty sure that's higher than my actual frame rate.

[true palm]

so even if it takes a while it doesnt matter too much

actually it sounds like its framerate not physics frames dependent according to the video

[drifting scarab]

So press Z + A at the same time?

[rugged crow]

yep!

no yeah, it doesnt matter how long it takes you anymore. Which is great because for some cats cough myla% because it was pretty much a reset if you didn't get it first try

[true palm]

also physics frame engines 50fps so if you have lower than that you might have some issues with cycles and other shenanigans

[drifting scarab]

How do you check your framerate?

I'm assuming a mod?

[true palm]

shift + tab if you have steam overlay

then click settings

in-game tab

and theres a checkbox to show fps

if your fps is that bad i assume you have integrated graphics, but with dedicated graphics, theres overlays for those as well, and last but not least rivatuner is a 3rd party program

[drifting scarab]

Okay I'm getting 160fps, I severely underestimated my PC.

[true palm]

160 in-game?

[drifting scarab]

In-game.

Or 20 in THK.

[true palm]

for aluba% shouldnt matter

[drifting scarab]

I assume framerate capping helps consistency for the glitch?

[true palm]

i suppose you could, but that affects in game as well

[drifting scarab]

Then again I don't know what Hollow Knight framerate caps at.

[true palm]

standard in game caps are 300

multiples of 50 are preferred since it syncs with the physics engine

anything above 300, and you start getting hit by a baldur in mound

[drifting scarab]

I'm assuming that I got it wrong?

[rugged crow]

myla% is shorter aluba% lol

[ionic cargo]

kings pass is even shorter than that

[lone pebble]

I'm trying to downpatch hk to 1221 and I'm currently at the part where I've put cmd in and the black box appeared in the video I'm watching they copy and pasted some stuff in from a message in discord anyone know where that message is?

[last inlet]

use the guide on speedrun.com

[true palm]

what video are you watching?

[last inlet]

also linked in

[lone pebble]

From verulean the one in the comments of fires getting started guide

[true palm]

idk how updated veruleans is with steam downpatcher

i'd focus on following Xero's text guide on src