speedrunning

[turbid wren]

i think something went wrong there, but i didn't think anything of it because it could launch the downpatched version

[dapper cove]

i tried that as well

but i had no luck

i will say something that i noticed: there was an error within the depot so something went wrong there

[turbid wren]

yea when i did it it looked like something went wrong

[dapper cove]

when i ran the depot for the first time an error popped up within the console saying it couldn't find the right repository so there must be a problem with either the depot itself or with finding the files on your computer

[turbid wren]

i think i got something somewhat the same

[dapper cove]

but if any speedrunners know how to fix that let us know bc i tried google and not much came up bc it's not a super popular problem or a super popular game in the sense that there's a lot of traffic within this section of google

[jagged vault]

maybe try clearing registry?

it usually helps with problems like these

[thorn jasper]

if you could show the error like in a screenshot that would be more useful

[jaunty anvil]

i was having weird ass issues n i just literally deleted everything hollow knight related n re installed n that worked

like even my current patch

so if u can’t find anything i recommend that

u can backup saves

[turbid wren]

ill try clearing the registry, if that doesnt work i'll try that

[dull hemlock]

Question, is everything on the mouse unbound when you start a run on 1.2.2.1? or is it just left click and right click?

as in, is mouse 4 unbound? and if so is there a program like blue.exe that can fix that?

[digital jewel]

x-mouse

it's very customisable

[dull hemlock]

x-mouse? can I find that on google?

[digital jewel]

https://www.highrez.co.uk/downloads/XMouseButtonControl.htm

[short spire]

have you considered just testing if they get unbound

[turbid wren]

quick question does clearing the registry delete save files? (i have backups, just want to know what i can expect)

[digital jewel]

no it doesn't

[turbid wren]

ok thank you

[dull hemlock]

This is confusing, I'm trying to make it work as both left click and h, right click and t, and mouse 5 and p, but it seems to only be taking layer number 1

[digital jewel]

put them all on one layer

you can add an application profile so it only works in hollow knight

[dull hemlock]

how would I put multiple things in 1 layer?

[digital jewel]

this is my setup for ori for example

[dull hemlock]

wait, I think I figured something out, apperantly there was a thing that was checked that said block original input and I just checked that off

I'll check to see if that worked

It worked! Thank you for the help!

[digital jewel]

nice

[short spire]

did you actually test whether side mouse buttons even break though

[dull hemlock]

it did break

[short spire]

cool, good to know

[dull hemlock]

np

[knotty vigil]

is there like a map i can look at for all skills? current patch

[bitter igloo]

Does anyone have footage of this fireball skip? I’ve been looking everywhere

[digital jewel]

what equipment do you have

this doesn't work with just fireball

[bitter igloo]

Oh. What do you need?

[knotty vigil]

dash

[bitter igloo]

That’s considered a skip?

[short spire]

with claw you can fireball skip it iirc

dash is the vanilla way

[twin swallow]

yeah you need claw to grab the small overhang after you fireball

[steady lynx]

You can pogo infection if crossroads are infected

[bitter igloo]

Ah that sucks. Really wanted to leave the crossroads without killing child spitter

And the only other way to leave is killing sleeping pregnant mother

[knotty vigil]

But like is there a map i could look at or no?

[digital jewel]

yep gotta get lantern if you want that

[bitter igloo]

I’m going for a pacifist run so murdering an entire family is not ideal

[digital jewel]

hmm

you already killed one baldur

[bitter igloo]

Yes

[digital jewel]

what's one more

[leaden python]

baldurs don't deserve to live anyway so it's ok to kill them

[digital jewel]

they're not an endangered species

there's two more

[bitter igloo]

They can quite literally spit their children infinitely

[digital jewel]

exact

[short spire]

hol up why do you wanna get past gruz mom

[digital jewel]

killing them is pest control really

[short spire]

if you already have vs that won't unlock anything for you

[thorn jasper]

pest

[bitter igloo]

Wait... if I die to Gruz mothers gruzzes will they go away when I return

[short spire]

you can just quit out

[bitter igloo]

If so that’s -1 kill

[short spire]

but yes

[molten aurora]

Just got my first no hit h2, was pretty quick 2, hit almost all my double hits.

[thorn jasper]

pacifist runs aren't really on topic for #speedrunning

[leaden python]

btw you can use glitches to avoid kills

like going out of bounds, for example

[bitter igloo]

Meh I’m going nmg and @thorn jasper sorry, couldn’t find footage of a fireball skip and #hk-help gave me nothing

But just one more thing: anyone know how to get geo in crossroads without killing? You can get 559 from geo rocks, required aspid kills and husks dying to false knight

[last inlet]

what do you need the geo that early for?

[digital jewel]

you can lure vengeflies to go under stalagmites

it's not murder

[last inlet]

yeah that's pretty much just manslaughter (vesselslaughter? bugslaughter?)

[hallow orchid]

Luring them into goams is probably easier

[jaunty anvil]

i mean to b fair if u slashed a knife at a bunch of ppl but never MURDERED any1 would u b considered a pacifist?

[hallow orchid]

Hey if the vengeflies try to follow you and get hit by a goam it's not your fault

[short spire]

but your honor, i did not murder him! i simply pushed him in front of a bus, the bus is the one who did the killing

[hallow orchid]

Yeah see you both get it

[bitter igloo]

@digital jewel I’m a dumbass who has honor rule that luring bug into traps on purpose is kinda murder (otherwise aspid room 1 would be murderless)

Thanks for all the help everyone

[hallow orchid]

Your geo sources will be finite in that case

[bitter igloo]

Idk reply system is dumb sorry xero

[leaden python]

yeah I really like how most "pacifist" runs in games just end up having even more perverted ways of killing enemies

"i didn't kill Myla she just slowly dissolved in the acid"

[normal aspen]

okay but nobody should feel ashamed for killing myla

[dapper cove]

lemme open up the file hold on

wait it worked i didn't even notice what

that isn't what happened yesterday

i take it back lmao

[stark birch]

says the literal developer of a category that doesn't, which he named best girl% 🥴

[dapper cove]

imma try and run the game though so that if the downpatch problem still happens i can record it

it didn't even downpatch rip

lemme try and get it to at least downpatch then i'll record to see if it does the bug or works

ugh the depot isn't working i'm upset

i'll have to wait for the stupid command to run again

[normal aspen]

Jamie named it wtf

I wanted to call it Bad Ending%

[dapper cove]

is that the error you got?

[deep viper]

hey I didn't get any error, I think you tagged the wrong person on accident :)

[dapper cove]

aw shoot

wrong raven

[deep viper]

all good!

[dapper cove]

@turbid wren

[dapper cove]

there's four people named raven i deeply apologise i thought i got the right one

[deep viper]

all good like I said! thank you for apologizing, but I don't mind at all

[thorn jasper]

when you reply like that it pings them again . reply system sucks like that, you gotta turn off ping every time if you want that

[dapper cove]

yeah i forget to do that sometimes

also slaurent that sc has the error in it but imma delete it after you take a look bc it has personal info in it upon closer inspection

[knotty vigil]

So like no map lmao

[dapper cove]

it worked literally fifteen minutes ago, but it was still cp and not 1221 and when i went to retry the downpatch the error cropped back up and i am very upset bc i want to do my 1221 speedruns

[molten aurora]

Did you put in the steam_appid.txt file?

[dapper cove]

it's there

my computer is having technical difficulties

i went to open the txt file and it just screamed at me that it was downloading something all of a sudden

[molten aurora]

Huh, that's an interesting one.

[thorn jasper]

1. you could crop the image
2. I think I saw FileNotFound ?

[dapper cove]

yeah it said file not found and i'll crop it

and that's when opening the depot right after downloading it

like on the tutorial it's the first step so I know I didn't mess up anything before hand so I'm not sure what to do in this situation

I'm looking at xero's downpatch tutorial btw

[thorn jasper]

I honestly don't know what to do with that error. I'll defer to someone more knowledgable.

[digital jewel]

what does this mean

[dapper cove]

like

there's the link to download the thingy

first step

second i open it that pops up

"1) You need to download the Steam patcher here."

and here has a link to the steam patcher i just call it depot bc that's the file name when you download it.. "steamdepotdownpatcher.exe"

[digital jewel]

did you close steam since the last time you ran the steamdepotdownpatcher

[dapper cove]

bold of you to assume i can remember anything

i can close it again and try though if that would change anything?

even after closing steam the error still shows up so whether or not steam is open has no impact on whether or not that error pops up

[digital jewel]

just asking because if you hadn't closed steam then you should still be able to access downpatching

[dapper cove]

ok

i know last night i deleted every last hk file i had effectively deleting the game and even before i did that the error popped up

and now after i installed everything again fresh it's still happening

[molten aurora]

I just tried opening up my depot downloader, and I get the exact same error, it seems if it's already done it's thing, that's the error you get.

I'm playing on 1.2.2.1 rn for reference.

[dapper cove]

ok

even still though i have gone through all the steps (multiple times at this point) and although it does download a "downpatch" it is still cp

[molten aurora]

I'm not saying you're doing anything wrong, I'm just saying I don't think it's step 1 that's the issue.

[digital jewel]

tooof?

you're telling me the download was working but you were still trying that

why

[dapper cove]

ok so i'm just going through it like a trial and error system... kinda like a scientific experiment or when you're debugging some code

pay close attention to one part at a time or change one thing you're doing and see if it fixes the problem

because the download isn't 1221 it's current patch

[digital jewel]

the steamdepotdownpatcher enables you to download specific depots through steam

so since you can do that it worked

and running it again won't change anything

did you add the steam_appid.txt?

[dapper cove]

i did

i'm deleting the files and trying again bc idk where i went wrong and the scientific method hasn't failed me yet

[digital jewel]

why

deleting everything and starting over is a really inefficient way of doing things

[dapper cove]

in case you can't tell i am very very bad at knowing the right way to tackle things so i just go with what i know will work eventually

keyword eventually

[harsh mason]

did you add .txt to a txt file

[digital jewel]

show me what the downpatched folder with the steam_appid.txt looks like

[harsh mason]

Making it .txt.txt

[dapper cove]

i have the .txt extensions shown and by now i deleted the files again and i'm downloading the downpatch again so i'll try that once it's downloaded

[digital jewel]

ok and this time please don't delete everything after trying one new thing and it not immediately working

[grizzled maple]

You might wanna yeet your recycle bin soon too if you keep doing this. games are not small

[dapper cove]

i know and i will lmao and normally depending on what i'm working on/manipulating i'll use the same stuff for a while

[runic summit]

is dash-less (low%) skip possible on switch?

[dapper cove]

normally i don't delete all files i will just do it section by section to see if i can figure out which file is broken or where i'm messing up

switch is cp so if it's possible on cp then i'd assume so

[runic summit]

alr

[grizzled maple]

Which one specifically

[harsh mason]

queen's station

I assume

[grizzled maple]

There are some that are different skips from low% 1221

[runic summit]

yeah

queens station

[grizzled maple]

Like to get to mantises you'll need to shade skip. Otherwise it's mostly the same

[steady lynx]

Nah

[grizzled maple]

Watch the console low% run is the best advice I can give. It's the only cp low% run we have rn i think

[runic summit]

also do y'all know how to stop drifting

[steady lynx]

#speedrunning message

[grizzled maple]

Nope thats a Nintendo thing

[dapper cove]

that's a problem within the console

[runic summit]

welp

[dapper cove]

you'd need to send in your switch to a manufacturer to get that fixed

[runic summit]

bruh

[dapper cove]

it's not something you can just fix yourself

[runic summit]

oof

[dapper cove]

you have to take apart the joycon and fix the centrepoint on the stick

[runic summit]

...

[dapper cove]

bc the way drifting is caused is by that centrepoint getting moved around with use and thus straying from the true centre

it happened to me sometimes when i would play SMG on the wii with a nunchuck

[runic summit]

yeah its hard to do pantheons when i try to use a spell and just start using abyss shriek

[dapper cove]

my character would just start moving in a straight line on its own although i don't think drifting was the problem it was more than likely a faulty wire because unplugging the nunchuck and plugging it back in would work most times

[runic summit]

yeah

hrm

now i really wanna try to beat the game dash less

[harsh mason]

As drift wasnt an issue on the wii

It wasn't drifting

[dapper cove]

i said what was happening was similar to drifting but probs not bc of the solution i found but ok

[harsh mason]

if you want to fix it you can buy replacement analogs, but you'll need some electrical knowledge to do it

[dapper cove]

i no longer have a wii but idk if you're referring to me or simzn

[harsh mason]

not you

[runic summit]

also bc i play on switch i have to play on the newest version

[dapper cove]

yeah that's what we call cp

cp = current patch

[runic summit]

ok

[dapper cove]

there's a speedrun category for it so you could still upload your times if you really wanted

[runic summit]

alr

ok so im probably not gonna submit a run today

but i need video proof and a timer

anyone know how tf to set that up on switch

[dapper cove]

when you beat thk it shows your time

[grizzled maple]

You'd use livesplit as the timer still and capture it in broadcasting software like obs. For the recording theres capture cards but you also can use cam. Just make sure the audio is there

[dapper cove]

they're on switch

[thorn jasper]

we don't use the in-game time because it's broken

[grizzled maple]

Yes I know please let me help them

[dapper cove]

ok sorry

[runic summit]

ok

so i have obs and it can record my mic and video

[dapper cove]

i was just confused how you'd get obs to work with switch but if you have the cable thingy that i forget the name of i guess it would work

[grizzled maple]

Thats what a capture card is but I also said you can use cam

[runic summit]

i mean the vid would be awful but i could use a cam

[grizzled maple]

Yeah if its the best you got dont feel bad. You can invest later if you get serious

[dry sluice]

cam is perfectly fine if thats all you have

[runic summit]

i mean im not shooting high i just want my name on a leader board even if its like 200th place

[dapper cove]

same here dude

[grizzled maple]

Luckily switch isn't that competitive lol

[molten aurora]

If you use a cam, wouldn't that make it like 100% certain it wasn't spliced lmao.

[dapper cove]

i tried any% but wk for now is too rough for me but my goal was just not last

and last place was over five hours so i felt like it was somewhat doable

[runic summit]

hold up

im running low%

look at this

[grizzled maple]

Yeah theres actually one run

[runic summit]

only person on the leader board

[grizzled maple]

I was serious when I said the only cp low% run

[dapper cove]

so you have a guaranteed second place

[runic summit]

haha

i could take like 3 hours

and still get 2nd

[stuck compass]

Is 2 cycle uumuu possible on current patch for Any% NMG?

[dapper cove]

with trying all skills i don't care if i get last i just want to get it done and i most likely will get last

[grizzled maple]

No it not

Uumuu takes too much knockback from everything

[runic summit]

anyways ima go now

[stuck compass]

oh ok

[runic summit]

thanks sooo much emray

and everyone else

[dapper cove]

i had checked during stream yesterday and last place for cp all skills was 1 hour 45 minutes and by them i was at almost the 4 hour mark i think lmao

[grizzled maple]

Np and gl

[stuck compass]

thanks

[runic summit]

ty

[dapper cove]

my file explorer keeps crashing so i can't even add the txt file

[steady lynx]

I wanna learn low% for PS4 and switch soon but it seems a bit hard

[dapper cove]

thanks slaurent lmao i appreciate the input /j

[thorn jasper]

if your file explorer is crashing then it's kind of beyond the amount of tech support we can give. try rebooting?

[dapper cove]

also i try my best to use tone indicators for those who have a rough time reading social cues like myself

[dapper cove]

i'm going to wait it out and see if it starts responding bc i always dread having to reboot my pc bc it makes schoolwork much harder since it requires a lot of work with git

[runic summit]

and now i leave

[thorn jasper]

yes, same person

[runic summit]

to never be seen again

[steady lynx]

cya

[runic summit]

cya

[thorn jasper]

cya

[molten aurora]

Woah, I just had my first fight where I totally stunlocked h2, I never even saw a spiky ball. I am improving

[dapper cove]

pog

last stream was the first time i beat h1 hitless

as well as the first one of those guys in sanctum that i forget the name of that is a mini boss

[harsh mason]

soul warrior

[dapper cove]

there's two of them and the second one is right outside shade soul

yes that guy thank you

[harsh mason]

or Mage Knight if you prefer internal names

[dapper cove]

i kept wanting to say spell twister but that's a charm and i knew it wasn't right

i am making discoveries about why my file explorer is crashing... it only starts crashing one i right click and it appears to be attempting to download something but there are no new downloads so more research will have to be done

[molten aurora]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you're gonna have to restart.

[loud solar]

Hi, I'm new here. I wanna run this game and I'm planning to do a blind run later today of Any% NMG but I first wanted to confirm when you're supposed to start and end the timer

[dapper cove]

i'm getting somewhere hold on

[harsh mason]

are you on pc fire

[loud solar]

I'm on Switch

[grizzled maple]

Start on file "difficulty select" end on black of fade out at the end

[jagged vault]

Console timing starts upon file select and ends upon black screen at the ending

🐌

[loud solar]

Alright, thanks

[dapper cove]

i have discovered that the file explorer stop responding when you right click... but not at all file locations which means it has to do with a specific location which means specific files

[steady lynx]

Two new people wanting to run console in one day, that's rare

[harsh mason]

it means research the restart button and press it

[dapper cove]

i would assume so

[grizzled maple]

This must be how allie feels when we get more than one AG runner

[dapper cove]

katie i really don't want to restart due to school work so i'm saving that as a last ditch effort

if worst comes to worst i will but for the sake of my sanity and my school work i'm going to hold off and see if i can pinpoint a location and work from there to see if it's a specific file bugging everything or what

[harsh mason]

don't you have your git automated

[dapper cove]

i'm working with a team so it's much more complicated plus with the game making software we're using it's a massive massive pain if something goes wrong

[molten aurora]

Oh wow, I've been practicing h2 for 2 hours, I have real life things to do, talk to you all later o/

[dapper cove]

we have multiple branches goes and the files are constantly updating as people work so i don't want to accidentally override anyone's work because if it's just my work i'll lose hours of work that cannot be saved and if i override the current version then i've overridden someone else's work and if they pulled beforehand it's going to cause a lot of problems and we'll have to do some massive work on the repo

[loud solar]

Oh, btw. I don't have a way to show both the timer and the game at the same time so I wanna know if it'd be okay if I at least showed the timer at the end of the run with the final time (+ since my phone's gonna be right next to my PC while streaming, you can hear me splitting too)

[harsh mason]

I wish we had invented merges and pull requests

[thorn jasper]

if the timer isn't on the video, the mods can just time the real time anyway

[loud solar]

True, true

Alright, just wanted to confirm that as well. Thanks

I'm still trying to get a capture card for Switch so I'm stuck recording with just my phone

[dapper cove]

i know how git works thank you very much and sometimes that still causes problems because it overrides people's work if not done properly (this happened in our last project and was a nightmare to fix and we ended up having to create a new master branch and transfer everything over)

[haughty fossil]

(we'll retime it anyway if we don't see livesplit the whole way through. i personally always retime it just to check but )

[thorn jasper]

git checkout #off-topic

[loud solar]

Fair enough

[dapper cove]

lmao slaurent

[steady lynx]

For the longest time I thought Xero approved every single console run since he approved all of mine

[dapper cove]

i'm still just going to keep going through and see if i can pinpoint a general area that file explorer stops working at

lmao that sounds like a lot of work and a lot of hours of runs to sift through

[thorn jasper]

For the longest time I thought Xero approved every single console run since he approved all of mine

[dapper cove]

slaurent you good buddy?

[haughty fossil]

i've been trying to pick up some more console runs recently so xero doesn't have to

[harsh mason]

nah make him suffer

he likes it

[dapper cove]

ok it is no longer crashing i shall try and put in the text file

fingers crossed this works bc i want to get more work done on my game after this

[steady lynx]

All the verifiers and src mods are great for volunteering to approve runs

[dapper cove]

the game is booting up let's see if it actually downpatched

it did thank god

now to test and see if the bug works (i'll record it just in case it does happen and y'all know how to fix it)

[haughty fossil]

all the speedrunners are great for going zoom zoom fast and providing me with hours of sped up content

[stiff delta]

when the playback speed is x2

[normal aspen]

Esp Jame

[stiff delta]

New wr ez with that tech

thanks insom for verifying my kp il where i got 69ms and said “thats funny”

[dapper cove]

oh everything works thank god ok imma dip to work on that game i have a lot of rope mechanics to get done because apparently my team wants to make our "original game" a ripoff of spelunky

even down to the name

have a nice night!

[stiff delta]

Gn tooo0f

[normal aspen]

I had watched the 4ms run so was like well I can't not verify this too

I watched 1 run and got to verify 5 things

[stiff delta]

thats fair lmao

[steady lynx]

I'm mostly amazed the verifiers manage to watch my meh runs

[stiff delta]

Insom with the speedtech yltsi

[dapper cove]

i feel bad for whoever will have to watch my runs bc it's so cringy to a professional to see my failure plus it takes me hours to do something where the WR is an hour or less depending on the cat

[haughty fossil]

dw i'm not a professional

[harsh mason]

wtf not a pro

[haughty fossil]

katie that can change

[harsh mason]

I want someone else to verify my runs

[haughty fossil]

pay me

[harsh mason]

absolutely not

[haughty fossil]

[harsh mason]

you pay me and I'll teach you how to draw in snipping tool like a pro

[haughty fossil]

trade; i'll do amazon prime verification for art lessons

(not srs btw and this is becoming offtopic )

[molten aurora]

I'm curious, do any of the verifiers secretly judge any of the submitted runs?

[harsh mason]

I don't even watch runs for the game I mod

[thorn jasper]

they have to watch the runs to judge their validity

[harsh mason]

I just fast forward to bits people could cheat at

[steady lynx]

I can imagine them watching runs like "Smh, didn't even get one cycle Uumuu on cp AS"

[harsh mason]

actual boss fights and movement is whatever

[thorn jasper]

for clarity, you mod a not-hk thing yeah?

[harsh mason]

yeah a different game

[stiff delta]

Yea in the game i mod theres like 2 other runners and i trust them so i just fast forward to the time unless i actually wanna see movement

[harsh mason]

But it's fairly common between most games to be modded that way

[molten aurora]

Hmmm, that actually makes me feel a lot more confident submitting runs, I get so anxious knowing people will see everything I mess up - which is a lot

[stiff delta]

The key is to be funny about it, unfortunately i havent figured that out

[thorn jasper]

I'm not a verifier, but if I were, I'd be more focused on validity than skill or whatever. Like okay they got to vengeful spirit and didn't major glitch out, cool cool

[stiff delta]

^ the first part is a joke, but no one really cares if you mess up because we’ve all messed up at some point

[grizzled maple]

When I verify runs I just watch at 2x speed and wait for "hey that ain't lookin right"

[jagged vault]

Try not to compare yourself too much to WR in this way when starting out. You’re at two very different points in experience, and everyone starts learning at some point. The important thing is that you’re doing your best and having fun

[harsh mason]

generally i fast forward at like 5x speed unless it's a short category, or close to wr

[thorn jasper]

That's a range?!?

[haughty fossil]

depending on how fast your internet is, for hk you can usually be at like 6x speed and still see everything going on

[harsh mason]

and go to 1x at non obvious glitch points, where a glitch would be same route but slightly faster

[grizzled maple]

(I actually do note stats on mons so I can notice ranges )

[normal aspen]

Yeah I do 2x and then will look extra hard for common spots to accidentally glitch

[grizzled maple]

If it makes you feel better though the mods and verifiers aren't judging. Just skimming through to make sure the run is legal

[molten aurora]

Oh, very specific question for 1.2.2.1 AS, after kings brand, when you do the dash slash glitch to get early control, it's okay to start the dash slash asap, as long as I don't release it until my character moves up a pixel right?

[haughty fossil]

yes, the release is what gives control

[normal aspen]

Yeah at the end of the day we still just like seeing more ppl running the game we love

[haughty fossil]

i'm still not verifying orange name runs out of principle 😤

[stiff delta]

lets go jamie

[molten aurora]

Thanks Jamie

[normal aspen]

Help I'm being bullied

[molten aurora]

That's the only place I can see myself invalidating a run.

[grizzled maple]

Toxic verifiers

[normal aspen]

@ scs halp

[thorn jasper]

hi

[grizzled maple]

[thorn jasper]

uhhh jamie no booli

there i did it

[haughty fossil]

toxic jamie is returning

[normal aspen]

Is that meant to be Gundyr lol

[grizzled maple]

[normal aspen]

I love it

[grizzled maple]

Yeah lmao

Its so good

[molten aurora]

Although I did have this one run when I died to watcher knights, and on the way back I took the first elevator, and my character went up the elevator, but my camera didn't ... I'm assuming that we be considered a major glitch, even though it resulted in a save quit.

[normal aspen]

Nah that's just fucky wucky cam

[grizzled maple]

Oh thats just a thing that happens.

[haughty fossil]

fucky wucky cam is my new favourite term

[grizzled maple]

Just hk things :)

[molten aurora]

Haha, so fucky wucky cam is okay then.

[haughty fossil]

psa

[steady lynx]

You get used to shit like that happening

[thorn jasper]

whenever something doesn't act correctly, just call it a fucky wucky thing

[molten aurora]

Oh that's actually really good to know.

[stiff delta]

speaking of glitches, can you not take damage if you get hit before the health bar actually loads in?

i had a run going where in kp i got hit by the crawlid but still had 5 hp

[grizzled maple]

What do you mean? At the beginningnof the game?

[stiff delta]

yea in the beginning

[normal aspen]

It's js8t visual

[grizzled maple]

Oh thats a bug. If you get hit again it would be 3 health

[normal aspen]

It updates next bonk

[stiff delta]

cool

🍝

[molten aurora]

But let's say I accidentally found an end credits warp, that'd prolly not pass verification 👀

[thorn jasper]

same visual glitch can happen after leaving shade cloak in all skills

[haughty fossil]

no benefit to the runner

[grizzled maple]

If you found a credits warp I think all the glitched runners would cry

Both bad and good tears

[haughty fossil]

thankfully a credits warp should be next to impossible

[steady lynx]

Just store a door interaction to the black egg temple so you can repost the same shitpost again

[runic summit]

Whats a good time for getting fireball switch cp

Bc world record for switch low% cp got a 5:28 for getting firball

[haughty fossil]

whatever time you're happy with

[runic summit]

Thats not...

Well

I got a 5:43

Ima run again brb

[grizzled maple]

Low% is the same as most other categories at that point (as long as it doesn't kill fk) so you can look at those too

Trombone is kinda a gamer though so it might be an actually good segment idk I haven't seen it

[runic summit]

No

They mess up a lot early on

Like in cross roads

And other places

But its gonna be hard to beat

Bc i hate watcher knights soooo much

I didnt mean that in a rude way i just think if they reset they could have got a sub 1 hour

My drifting is causing me to interact with random stuff tho

Like benches

[normal aspen]

doesnt ;low% get xroads stag foirst trip

[runic summit]

Yes

It does

[normal aspen]

yeah so thats pretty different to most cats

[runic summit]

True

But i keep drifting onto the bench in the stag station

Stupid joycons

[normal aspen]

jump over it

[runic summit]

Hrm

Think that loses time tho

[normal aspen]

lumping is same speed

[runic summit]

Ol

Ok

Also

I dont have an auto start timer

So when do i start it

Bc i have been doing it as soon as i hear the kings pass music

Or like the wind i guess

[normal aspen]

mode select

[runic summit]

?

I start it one the mode select screen?

On

[normal aspen]

it starts when u select sttel soul / regular

[runic summit]

Oo

Wait

Im on a clean prof tho

So it doesnt gove me the option

[thorn jasper]

then it starts at file select

[normal aspen]

then its from when u select the save slot

[runic summit]

Ok

[haughty fossil]

(always suggest reading all the speedrun.com game and category rules before doing runs, don't want to do a full run only to find out it's invalid because you didn't show title screen)

[worthy sluice]

Is it title screen or is it saves

[thorn jasper]

title. the one with patch number in the lower left

[worthy sluice]

Ah coo

That rule makes sense

[median hornet]

Sorry to interrupt but I was interested in speed running hollow knight on 1.2.2.1 but it seems that the steam method for down patching is outdated, and I don't own the game on gog. Is there anyway to down patch, or do I just have to settle for CP speed running?

[haughty fossil]

pins has an up to date guide

[median hornet]

I couldn't find it

[molten aurora]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten

[median hornet]

oh thank you. sorry i missed that

[molten aurora]

All good, I struggled to find it my first time too.

[molten aurora]

Okay, I finally have hornet 2 very consistent without healing, now I just need to work on getting more and more aggressive

[cursive jacinth]

may i now be based and blue https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/y8vokgwz

[sudden forge]

Trying to get the 5 hour achievement

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[cursive jacinth]

Based and blue

[molten aurora]

Congrats

[devout wing]

third successful run

[proud vessel]

congrats!

i wish i had a successful run...

[molten aurora]

It's been 20 attempts since I've had a successful run, it's good practice at the very least.

[twin swallow]

every run is practice to a certain extent, even if you don't finish the run at all

you might not feel like it, but you are improving

[exotic thunder]

feel free to ping us for blue, we might miss you otherwise

[molten aurora]

Alright, I think it's time I just did a recorded no reset run and get it out of the way.

Off to a bad start, didn't have my blue.exe running, take 2.

[dapper cove]

you got this! i believe!

i will join you one day but that day shall not be for a while most likely

I'm giving myself an hour to practice h2 then I'm off to bed as I have a busy day today/tomorrow so wish me luck on actually beating her (on 1221 this time)

[knotty vigil]

Hi ! For some unknown reason my game (1.2.2.1) have 2 issues : First is frame rate, while it's good on current patch, here on this version I have some drop rate that are realy annoying. The second issues is that why I do save quit to spawn which normaly put me infront of the starting menu, here it juste close the game, this happends too on my current patch version of the game. Any of you knows what could happend ?
I use to play HK on current patch and 1.2.2.1 mounth ago and I never encounter those issues

[twin swallow]

first problem is normal, 1221 is a less optimised patch than current and some frame drops/lag are to be expected

second I have not heard of before and will wait for someone more experienced to comment

[knotty vigil]

Alright thanks ! 🙂

If I run the 1221 on 1280x720 can it reduce the frame drop ? Right know I'm on 1980x1080 60 fps

Any switch gamers here?

[dapper cove]

There’s been a couple popping in here

Simzn is a switch player

[knotty vigil]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/367520/discussions/0/1738841319821855521/ Just found this about my second issues, didn't try it yet but if anyone has the same issues that I have it may help

[molten aurora]

I'm sad, I'm mad, and I'm happy.

You ever just choke 4 mins to thk lmao

[dapper cove]

shit happens

imma chill in hk vc if anyone wants to watch me practice h2

[dapper cove]

i'm so proud i beat hornet2

and if we're only counting attempts where i wasn't invincible or had other buffs it only took three tries

want to say i healed three or four times which in my book is really good

if i can get even better at it i'll be well on my way to having a legit run since the bosses don't trip me up that much besides h2

i get the feeling it's going to be dark room ddash and ismas that'll kill me but those are more practice and knowing what to do rather than fighting an AI

[neat swallow]

I’m about to start my first all-skills run

[main sleet]

gl 🙂

[neat swallow]

Anything I should be particularly thinking about

[ionic cargo]

not dying to hornet 2

[neat swallow]

Ok fair

I don’t actually have a timer because I play on PS4 so how do I time my runs?

[ionic cargo]

I think it'll be timed in real time by src mods

[stiff delta]

Console is timed rta so a timer is really needed but it is helpful

[jaunty anvil]

time starts when the knight falls into kings pass ^-^

[stiff delta]

Doesnt console start on difficulty select?

[ionic cargo]

the timer starts when you select a game mode

i think

[stiff delta]

Console timing

[reef lichen]

Wtf did pest just break the WR?

[ionic cargo]

pest has had wr for like 9 months

[short spire]

yes we're aware

[reef lichen]

Ye Ik

[ionic cargo]

wait what lmao

[reef lichen]

How did he shave those 7 seconds?

[short spire]

by going 7 seconds faster

[normal aspen]

he did whjat pest did but without the 7s worth of fuck ups at the end, he really messed up there

[ionic cargo]

pest is such a gamer

[molten aurora]

Alright, I'm uploading a run to youtube to submit, hopefully in a few days I can join the blue names

That is if the upload itself doesn't take multiple days

[old obsidian]

afaik was his beast den not optimal in old wr

but apparently he saved 8 seconds in thk so apparently thk fight

[true palm]

wow thats pretty pog

[round jacinth]

Ive done like 3 different playthroughs w controller now, should i try to learn keyboard if i try to start speedrunninf? Or try using the dpad instead of the stick?

[hallow orchid]

You can use whatever you're comfortable with

I run with analog stick for example, as do many other runners. All input methods are valid

[round jacinth]

alr, i know that some games have like one objectively better control scheme, i didnt know if this was one lol

[low bramble]

it doesn’t make much of a difference tbh

[ionic cargo]

I would say just use whatever you're used to

[low bramble]

there are some things that are easier with both, but even those things are very minor

[round jacinth]

thanks

[hallow orchid]

Yeah there's nothing big in this game that changes between controller and keyboard so use whatever you want

[subtle glade]

Help, steam wants to update my downpatch

[thorn jasper]

don't overwrite the default install location. put it somewhere else

[subtle glade]

But then autosplit doesn't work

[digital jewel]

yes it does

I use multiple installed versions and it works on all of them

[turbid wren]

yes?

i'm sorry for not responding earlier i went to bed

[subtle glade]

I mean some functions need the game to be the base installation on steam (so named hollow_knight.exe), like autosplit, steam controller support etc

[digital jewel]

you're confusing yourself

yes it needs to be named hollow_knight.exe

but you can have infinite installs

named that

there's nothing forcing you to put it where your current steam install is

[subtle glade]

It is very possible I'm confusing myself

But when I had hollow_knight.exe in a file not named Hollow Knight steam refused to launch it

[hallow orchid]

Just rename the folder you're using, not the .exe

So instead of "Hollow Knight" call it "Hollow Knight (1.2.2.1)" or whatever you want, then the .exe is still called hollow_knight.exe

[subtle glade]

And it will work as the main installation?

[hallow orchid]

You have to add it as a separate game on steam

But then you can launch from steam with that added game as normal

[subtle glade]

And can you have multiple hollow_knight.exe?

[haughty fossil]

heads up, steam controller support only works on the main installation, but that should only be necessary for 1221

[hallow orchid]

Yes I have 5 installs of HK all on steam at once

[haughty fossil]

1432 is actually capable of recognising controllers sometimes

[subtle glade]

Exactly, I wanted that to bind inventory to LB, but then steam decided to update the game

[haughty fossil]

turn off auto updates for HK then

[subtle glade]

Probably a good idea

By the way, how do I disable updates on steam lol

[weary root]

binding inventory to left bumper will open it but instead of closing inventory LB instead goes to the next page 🥴

[hearty adder]

You can download joy2key for the same effect

Though I don't recommend you use the shoulder buttons for inventory, as the shoulder buttons also toggle between sections in your inventory

[subtle glade]

I use B to close it, is pressing inventory again faster?

[true palm]

autosplit works on the non steam default

i personally rename all of my folders for controller reasons, steam has only forced an update on me once, and i keep backups

[subtle glade]

How

[haughty fossil]

just don't rename the exe

[true palm]

are you launching autosplit AFTER hollow knight

[digital jewel]

I just told you this already. if it's named hollow_knight.exe it will work

[subtle glade]

Oh, so it's important the exe is named correctly, but the file doesn't matter?

Alright alright

[true palm]

file does not matter, but it must be the same name on the .exe, and you should launch hollow knight first

most of us here 3+ installs of hollow knight

[subtle glade]

I have 4, current, current debug, 1.2.2.1 and 1.2.2.1 debug

I just switch the names so that the one I play is Hollow Knight

[true palm]

the only reason to do that is if you need Steams Controller Input support

[subtle glade]

So in conclusion, I can call the game folder whatever, but the exe has to be hollow_knight.exe

[true palm]

yes

[subtle glade]

Alright thanks

[subtle glade]

Is the input support important?

[true palm]

for housekeeping, recommend adding them as non-steam games and/or desktop icons

[subtle glade]

I do have them added

[true palm]

input supports only important if you use a generic gamepad (think Steam Controller, fightboxes, etc.) or Switch controllers and you dont want to install DS4Windows, Joy2Key, or some other program

since my controller isnt supported by Hollow Knight, steams input program lets me use it anyway

[subtle glade]

Is xbox series x supported?

[runic summit]

Yes it is

When you submit a run you select in the version thing

[grizzled maple]

xbox series x, ps5, and switch pro are not supported on 1221, if that's what this question was about

if not sorry carry on

If you use any of those controllers you'll need to remap buttons using an external application like joy2key

[digital jewel]

why does the series x not work

[grizzled maple]

oh does it?

i remember someone saying that none of the new consoles work with 1221

[vocal dove]

series x works on 1221!

[grizzled maple]

k so it's just ps5 and switch thats hecked

[digital jewel]

that makes more sense since series x is xinput

[vocal dove]

only thing that's weird is that i can pause with pause but can't unpause, i have to press B to unpause. maybe that can be changed in setting?

[hallow orchid]

No that's a 1221 thing

[vocal dove]

OH

that's weird. i thought it was bugged because debug lets you unpause.

[hallow orchid]

Oh that's funny that it works with debug

But yeah every time I go to 1221 I get annoyed at that lol

[haughty fossil]

understandable fix for modding api to do tbh

frick 1221 menus 😤

[vocal dove]

yeah that always messes me up while trying to do seer skip

[limpid ruin]

frick CP menus

[elder gale]

WOOO learned double dash pogo

i have been avboiding it so long because it has looked hard and i havnmt been able to do it ever but now i watched full explination and its actually ez

[runic summit]

what is all skills?

[elder gale]

category that doesnt collect all skills because it forgots dream gate

[thorn jasper]

category that is the only definition of "skill" because the game doesn't define that

[elder gale]

thats also true

[thorn jasper]

I mean your statement is wrong. We didn't forget; we choose not to include it

but yeah, it's a fun category! it's my main category, and it's great for beginners because you get a lot of damage options

[elder gale]

its any % but wk looks like hornet2 and you have to do qga 2 times but easier

and someone switched lights off from deepnest

[true palm]

since all skills was intended as beginner, i believe it was intentional to leave out dreamgate since that would most likely involve lost kin

[thorn jasper]

I don't know if all skills was intended to be a beginner category

[true palm]

it feels like it was intended that way, but im still relatively new

[vague jolt]

I wonder if Lost Kin is really harder than hornet 2 (I certainly think h2 is harder)

[hallow orchid]

yeah it wasn't constructed as a "let's make a beginner category" type of thing, people just didn't want to get dream gate so they didn't put it in the category

then it turned out to be pretty good for beginners

[true palm]

oh i guess you'd have dive for lost kin so it wouldnt be the worst

[hallow orchid]

and yeah Flib imo lost kin is easier than H2

with AS loadout for BV, lost kin can be stun locked

[true palm]

forgot how jacked you are by broken vessel in all skills

[elder gale]

i die to broken vessel in all skills

[hallow orchid]

I mean this mostly unironically, but BV is harder than lost kin

[true palm]

?

[elder gale]

?

[fair island]

Stun lock

[true palm]

doesnt lost kin run out of staggers

[hallow orchid]

you can stun lock Lost Kin and always start the fight with full HP

not before it dies

in 112 runs I'm legit more scared of BV than LK lol

[true palm]

i thought, at least in true ending, that you hit lost kins stagger count

[hallow orchid]

you definitely don't in 112 which would have the same damage as AS

[elder gale]

i mean bv is bigger timeloss

[hallow orchid]

I honestly wouldn't expect to hit it in TE with shade soul either though

[true palm]

i thought it was really low, but then again, i havent actually ran any category that kills lost kin or broken vessel

[elder gale]

should i learn better strat for dark room

is it worth 3hours before tournament match

[true palm]

consistency is king

if you can get a better strat thats just as consistent go for it

dark rooms in particular have very little leniency because you respawn at the beginning

and thats splits pretty tight health wise

idk how easy either method is

but messing up that room, particularly near the end, can be a 10+ second time loss

[thorn jasper]

absolutely not. you don't have time to do it in several runs for consistency

which is a shorter version of what construct said

[runic summit]

can someone give me tips for low% watcher knights i've never been good at them but now i gotta run them at nail 0 with no dash or shamans

[true palm]

yup, grind it out

have you done the any% fight before?

[runic summit]

no im new to speedrunning

i always fight them with nail 1 and 6 masks

bc i can get that easy through crystal peaks

[true palm]

do you understand the damage rotation for low%? on the first kight?

[runic summit]

no

[true palm]

slash pogo slash fireball

i'll make a quick 2 second video give me a minute

[runic summit]

ok

umm alr

im running switch low% cp

btw

[true palm]

that won't change this fight that much

[runic summit]

ok

[true palm]

you wont have bugged knights but thats it

[runic summit]

and i should use the chandler right because i've heard some people say its a time loss

[worthy sluice]

Not a pb but I have it recorded and its going on the leaderboards

[mental berry]

hey

[thorn jasper]

106% is the only time when chandelier is a timeloss

[worthy sluice]

How do I save

[grizzled maple]

the single category that doesn't is 106% because you literally delete the wk

they instadie to fluke

[mental berry]

can someone hook me up with a savefile that has P5 unlocked?

[thorn jasper]

if you have it recorded, upload it to a permanent hosting site like youtube

[fair island]

unlocked and beaten or only unlocked?

[worthy sluice]

How do I upload twitch vods

[grizzled maple]

Also has completed HoG

[thorn jasper]

did you stream? you'll have to highlight your vod and then you can use that

[mental berry]

wow that was quick

thanks em!

[worthy sluice]

How? Im stoopid

[thorn jasper]

(as in, you can link the twitch highlight in the submission)

[grizzled maple]

I got whatever people need on standby

[thorn jasper]

https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/creating-highlights-and-stream-markers?language=en_US

[runic summit]

watcher knights be ending my runs like

[warped token]

Hey there! I'd like to learn all skills NMG but I wasn't able to find a map of the route in the guides section of speedrun.com, does someone have one by any chance?

All I could find are video tutorials or a pastebin route, which are great already but a route highlited on a map would be very usefull 🙂

[ionic cargo]

this explains the route pretty well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCXH-ajD9Dk&list=PLe3Nyw-0gXJpBqG9qLRx195qLFI3FD3_N

[thorn jasper]

@digital jewel are you working on those maps? I think this is the third ask this week for maps

[warped token]

Thanks! I'll do with the video I guess if there's no map yet

[digital jewel]

no I haven't done any work on them recently

[thorn jasper]

@warped token are you doing 1221 or current patch?

[warped token]

I saw you made maps for the first 2 segments already, those are very neatly presented, nice work 🙂

1221

[ionic cargo]

heres xero's pastebin if it helps https://pastebin.com/X2kivfc0

[digital jewel]

thank you. I might be able to finish them this month since I have a break

[warped token]

Thanks @ionic cargo, I'll look at it. And thanks guys for the help, guess I have no more excuses to learn it haha. Have a good rest of your day o/

[worthy sluice]

Its very hard to make a twitch vod a highlight from your xbox

I don't get it

[ionic cargo]

np

[true palm]

chandelier is only a time loss in 106%, its a timesave in every other category afaik

anyways the videos still processing but here

https://streamable.com/7ebonh

bit of a rough fight since its my first one of they day, but low% watcher knights is arguably one of the hardest bosses of any major category

at the end of they day, any completed low% run is truly an accomplishment, especially on current patch

[runic summit]

thanks this will help sooo much

but should i run to watcher knights and then just practice

[true palm]

yup

[runic summit]

alr

[true palm]

so you know the first one spawns alone

[runic summit]

yes

[true palm]

and then two more spawn

[runic summit]

yup

[true palm]

after the two spawn, just quit out to spire bench, and restart

when you're practicing

[runic summit]

ok

[true palm]

and at first, focus on killing the first knight before the next two spawn

[runic summit]

and i can practice moving around and dodging in godhome

ok

[true palm]

dont focus on just dodging, focus on attacking and still avoiding damage

[runic summit]

yeah ik

[true palm]

audio cues are also pretty important, since knights can start bounces off screen

if a knights bouncing, you want to not be in the air

[runic summit]

also steam finally refunded me 🙂

pog

[true palm]

btw are you just learning the fights, or have you practiced the route yet?

[runic summit]

i know the route all the way to mantis

but thats it so far

[true palm]

are you shadeskipping or doing the current patch low% epogo

[runic summit]

shade

[true palm]

or are you fireball skipping into mantis

shade ok

[runic summit]

yeah im just watching the first place spot for the route

[true palm]

k so theres a new epogo, let me find the video

[runic summit]

ok

[true palm]

saves enough time where you could take a death to watcher knights and still get world record

[runic summit]

nice also the 1st place run makes a lot of mistakes early on

[worthy sluice]

Aight, i submitted my run!

[true palm]

#low-percent message

check that out its hard to do, would recommend practicing

[runic summit]

damm

[worthy sluice]

I should be 13th when the mods give me the ok

[true palm]

yup complete negates the need to shadeskip

[runic summit]

yeah

so i wont have to bench

and i can just run past

[true palm]

indeed

[runic summit]

omg

[true palm]

saves quite a bit of time

[runic summit]

pog

[true palm]

you can practice it on any file, doesnt need to be a dashless one

[runic summit]

yeah ima do it on my main

but there is one skip that i fail a lot

[true palm]

also my guide on speedrun.com for the skips is still relevant

[runic summit]

and its queens station fireball skip

[true palm]

yup thats a classic

i clawgrip it

[runic summit]

ok

ill try that

brb ima go get my switch

thanks for all the help btw

[true palm]

np

[mental berry]

Modinstaller wont open for some reason

[fair island]

check #archived-modding-help first pin

[true palm]

idk it wasnt opening for me yesterday either, just installed another copy

[mental berry]

And it generated this file

[true palm]

oh wait thats just the pin

thought that was something else

updater broke in it so just follow the first pin

[hearty adder]

Hey, does anyone know if there's a strat to get hitless shopkeeper's key on cp? Shardmites are bullies

[vocal dove]

the shortest short hop possible?

[true palm]

can't you just fireball to kill it?

[thorn jasper]

for modinstaller problem, see the top pin in #archived-modding-help

[hearty adder]

I'm doing NKG% so I need to preserve soul for Crystal Guardian

[true palm]

do you not have dreamnail at that point?

[hearty adder]

Yeah, I'm trying to not waste too much time farming soul with it though

[true palm]

if not, you could just dash into the other section like in any% and then go back

[thorn jasper]

I feel like jb posted a video of hitless shopkey but I can't find it

or it was someone else. I think it was about all skills on cp

[hearty adder]

Yeah, i feel like I've seen it before but i can't find it

[vague jolt]

Start here, scroll down, might be what you're looking for? #speedrunning message

If you're doing cg maybe it's faster to kill it before going back for shop key though? IDK

[hearty adder]

That's it, thank you Flib

[true palm]

thats actually a dope hitless strat

[runic summit]

hrm this is really out of the way for anyrun but you can use greatslash in stead of a fire ball to stall

[shrewd shoal]

do you have any expo pogo current patch tips? My success rate is about .5%, so I'm starting to get frustrated.

[hallow orchid]

which method are you trying out?

[runic summit]

anyone got a route for low%

[true palm]

considering the time to charge it, its not viable in any fights, but you can use it for early control in some falls

[true palm]

check pinned comments in low%, theres a written route

[runic summit]

ok

[true palm]

the other options are to watch a run, or parse it together from what i do in my skip tutorial on speedrun.com

which btw, outside of lever skip, epogo, and mosskin pogo, is all current patch relevant

[runic summit]

i forgot about tram pass

is it possible to blue lake shade skip with 0dash

[true palm]

nope because gruz mother is in the way

gruz mother = 1%

so alas we cannot

[runic summit]

damm

[true palm]

in fact we do blue lake dashless from the other direction to get to sly

[runic summit]

oh yeah

dolphin strats

[true palm]

so ironically we do dark deepnest to get lantern

the routes actually super well done, there was some geo routing changes, so we no longer get fungal rocks but pick up more geo in dark deepnest

not really beginner friendly, but something to look into

[hearty adder]

If you aren't already, I recommend you try going for comfypogo
https://youtu.be/bYsRWyHjcmM

[shrewd shoal]

thx

this looks easier

[hallow orchid]

yeah it's much easier

go for the 3 fireball version at first if you're struggling with the 2 fireball version

[haughty fossil]

this epogo is 10/10 amazing love it so nice and comfy

[true palm]

if you're on console, or are willing to enable vsync, theres also that epogo, but this one is infinitely easier than panta pogo

[haughty fossil]

rando skip feels

[vague jolt]

This epogo doesn't work if you have many lag spikes

[shrewd shoal]

I'm on PC

[true palm]

ye so you can do the 60fps epogos if you enable vsync in the room, which is pretty beginner friendly as well, but i think the new ones just better

[shrewd shoal]

I'm 75 hz. Will that affect anything?

[true palm]

i'm not sure thats enough to make a difference, i know 144 is too high

[hallow orchid]

it'll still be possible but tighter. Imo (I'm biased ofc so take it with a grain of salt) comfypogo is easier than vsync epogo even

and it's a bit faster

144 is not actually too high

it's just insanely tight

I've gotten 144fps vsync epogo a handful of times in practice

[true palm]

its hard enough to where you should just do something else at that point

[hallow orchid]

yeah not worth

[fair island]

For the first few attempts you can use debug mods slow down to make it easier

[true palm]

the point of vsync pogo is to be easy, which 144 is not

just stick with comfy pogo

[haughty fossil]

vsync also sucks no matter what the cap is

and doing mantis pogo with it on is fake

[true palm]

i'm pretty sure you just disable it after doing it right?

ur not telling me people do the entire run with vsync on?

[haughty fossil]

that loses time to letting the quitout

the quitout destroys your settings if you menu correctly

[true palm]

i see

[haughty fossil]

ie cancelling out of vsync menu w/ the pause button makes it so it forgets your settings changes on quitout

[hallow orchid]

in 112 it's not worth because we don't quitout for 100 years but in a category that quits from claw you optimally leave it on for mantis pogo

anyway, all of that is now slower than comfypogo which requires no menuing or terrible input lag so

[vague jolt]

Vsync sanctum

Many hugs

[haughty fossil]

comfypogo requires me remembering to gather soul though

[fair island]

Just turn on infinite soul

[steady lynx]

I know it's faster, but I'm used to damage tank, and it's free because console runs at ~40fps in that room

[true palm]

isnt it faster to do the vsync method anyway on console

because no soul collection

[steady lynx]

Probably

[hallow orchid]

possibly? Soul collection is only about a second

the damage tank itself is probably about that much

[steady lynx]

Xeph pogo is faster so like

[true palm]

i mean you have to air stall with fireballs as well

[hallow orchid]

yeah but that's opposed to waiting for the sporg at the bottom

with comfypogo you're leaving the room as the sporg explodes

[haughty fossil]

comfypogo best pogo 😤

[hallow orchid]

pantapogo is still fastest

[steady lynx]

The only reason I'd move to one of the other epogos would be if I really wanted to carry a fake fury all the way to Soul Master

[true palm]

doesnt soul collection for 3 fireball lose even more time?

so i guess vsync pogo is probably faster than 3 fireball but slower than 2

[hallow orchid]

on console, maybe

[true palm]

for console

[hallow orchid]

I think the menuing is still slower than soul collection for 3 fireball version

[twin swallow]

yeah menuing is hella slow

[hallow orchid]

yeah on console it's probably similar

[steady lynx]

Just do whatever you're more comfortable with

[hallow orchid]

3fb version loses about 1.5s extra to the 2fb version I believe

but yeah the important thing is getting a first try epogo on cp haha

[true palm]

either way it seems like whatever you get first try is the fastest 🐌

[steady lynx]

If you have to retry comfypogo that's a big timeloss

[ionic cargo]

tl;dr just do what you can do

[steady lynx]

I have other stuff I wanna try out on console first

Like skipping sanctum bench and just stagging back to storerooms after key

And variants of AS routes

[true palm]

have you tried just not getting all the skills, i'm sure you dont need them all

[steady lynx]

Great Slash skip

[worthy sluice]

Hey lads, love yall!

How long will it take for a speedrun to get verified

[twin swallow]

depends on how many other things are in the queue

[haughty fossil]

a period of time depending on how much we're procrastinating/actually doing runs

[worthy sluice]

Id imagine everyone is gunna be focused on analyzing pests run

[true palm]

i dont think it needs to be hyperanalyzed by everyone

[haughty fossil]

one person will watch pest's run, check it follows rules and doesn't major glitch, then verify it

[hallow orchid]

pests run won't take any longer than usual

[haughty fossil]

we have v. consistent standards between all runs on the leaderboard for integrity's sake

[worthy sluice]

Aight, I'm not opposed to holding the best to a higher standard but I definitely understand

[austere osprey]

Hello, I have freeze when i try to play with the 1.2.2.1 version. If someone know how to fix it ?

[true palm]

when and how often does it freeze

[steady lynx]

Every run deserves the same level of carefulness

[haughty fossil]

the point is that everyone gets held to the same high standard, we don't want cheating on a leaderboard whether that happens in 1st place or 200th

[true palm]

the point of verifying is to make sure the runs valid doesnt matter if its 1st place or 10th place

[worthy sluice]

Yeah makes sense

[austere osprey]

when i hit something, ennemy or decor

[harsh mason]

then why am i bribing src mods

[worthy sluice]

Hahahaha

[steady lynx]

Because you know how to make mods without them being visible on the title screen

[true palm]

what are your computer specs like?

[steady lynx]

(Tbf, anyone could do that)

[runic summit]

leo i was having similar problems but on cp and when a big enemy came in the room / on screen eg false knight so i had to refund it on steam

still got my 112% on switch tho

[true palm]

usually a computer spec issue

[steady lynx]

I kinda wanna know if the verifiers have to fight over who gets to verify pest's run though

[true palm]

do you have integrated or dedicated graphics?

like do you have a graphics card?

[austere osprey]

yes 1060 nvidia

[true palm]

1060 6gb or 3gb?

[austere osprey]

3Gb

the game blow up my processor

but idk how to fix it

[haughty fossil]

we're very civilised i'll have you know

[true palm]

its probably gonna be slow but it shouldnt be the slowest, do you know what your framerate is?

[austere osprey]

144Hz

[true palm]

and is this 1.2.2.1 with debug or without?

[austere osprey]

without

[true palm]

not refresh rate, your in game fps

[steady lynx]

So you do an All Skills race and the winner gets to verify?

[ionic sparrow]

jokes on you I’m going the verify my run

/ s

[true palm]

speaking of all skills race, anybody seeing wats going on right now?

very unique race

[austere osprey]

more than 350 FPS

[steady lynx]

speedgaming or speedgaming2?

[true palm]

speedgaming

pretty sure we might see path of pain in an All Skills run

[steady lynx]

Wth

[stiff delta]

Aprils doing pop

[ionic sparrow]

it’s certainly something

[stiff delta]

Idk what pryoz is doing

[ionic sparrow]

I’m a bit annoyed at it but

[stiff delta]

either way its uhhhhhhhhh

[true palm]

its annoying its not being taken seriously but at the same time its content

[stiff delta]

[thorn jasper]

we've been going on at length about it in #races-discussion

[steady lynx]

Is Aprilomat going for TE?

[thorn jasper]

I think just PoP

[harsh mason]

if they've agreed to not run AS together surely thats a DQ for both

[dapper cove]

Mmmm imma do some birthday all skills runs tonight

[stiff delta]

i remember someone saying something about them planning this

[dapper cove]

Fingers crossed I can beat hornet2 bc I practiced yesterday

[stiff delta]

Gl tooo0f

[dapper cove]

I got a win off yesterday and I think my method of practice works for me so

When learning fights I’ve found doing difficulty scaling really helps me

So I’ll do some runs with max health but not invincibility

Then up the nail damage or spell damage then lower it to where you’d be

[turbid wren]

is there any way i can change the place the downpatched version downloads to so i don't have to do it manually after it finishes installing?

[dapper cove]

I don’t think so

What I normally do is have where the file goes already open on my pc as well as the folder I want it in so I just drag it once it’s done

[turbid wren]

k thanks

[dapper cove]

I did it so many times trying to get my downpatch to work

[turbid wren]

its mainly because of download errors because of disk space problems

ill try to fix it

[dapper cove]

I just deleted hollow knight then reinstalled everything and that works

I just moved the mod loader for cp though just to save time and sanity

[worthy sluice]

Besides mask geo and soul inconsistency, what are other ways to catch a fake run

[thorn jasper]

timer inconsistency

[worthy sluice]

In the most non suspicious way possoble

[ionic sparrow]

lmao

[thorn jasper]

execution that clearly does not match your skill

[haughty fossil]

audio makes it quite easy to detect splices because of ambience too

[thorn jasper]

like if a random person submitted a 32:xx any%, then it's probably fake

[worthy sluice]

Ngl I did some dope crud in my run

[ionic sparrow]

if someone unknown submmited a 36 i would still be a little confused by it

and would watch it pretty close

theres alot of fine details that you just dont get without slamming your face against runs for awhile

[worthy sluice]

In crystal peaks I did this wierd thing with the god pixel crystal guy, I still don't know what happened

And thanks

And congrats on new wr pest

[hearty adder]

god pixel peepoArrive

[thorn jasper]

other ways to catch a fake run involve the person submitting it to ask these questions beforehand

[worthy sluice]

Good luck finding anything fake about it : D

Yall gunna reject it to spite me for asking "how do you fake a run"