speedrunning

[true palm]

no but the way you're talking right now is kinda weird

[worthy sluice]

: (

Guys I cheated, look at my run

[stiff delta]

Gonna start submitting runs by putting “this is fake” in the notes

[true palm]

like i dont mind being curious about verification and stuff

[hearty adder]

Yeah, I'd be wary about even jokingly implying these kinds of things if you're a newcomer to a community, nobody knows you well enough to tell if you're joking and by how much

even if it's just a joke it leaves a weird impression on people

[digital jewel]

it'll get looked at just wait

[worthy sluice]

Sorry, I wouldn't do anything not legit

I don't have the resources or the want

[true palm]

but keep in mind that verification is volunteer based as well, so asking for random suspicion and pestering can be taken in an unfavorable way

[worthy sluice]

Aight noted

Ill shut up now in that case

[true palm]

its okay we all make mistakes, i had a bad macro that kept me typing

[hearty adder]

However, like they already said, being curious as to the verification process is ok

[true palm]

:

and "

and not noticing

[runic summit]

queens station keeps killing my run 😦

[true palm]

wouldnt recommend doing full game runs till you hit 80% on QSS

[grizzled maple]

that skip is much much harder on switch because of the input delay that the console naturally has, on top of hk having terrible input responsiveness at 60 fps

[true palm]

yup

[grizzled maple]

i wouldnt be too hard on yourself

[true palm]

its a very hard skip

every low% runner whiffs it semifrequently

[grizzled maple]

i mean, in general, but we're talking switch here

[hallow orchid]

Yeah that's definitely one of the hardest skips in the run

[grizzled maple]

its like 30x harder

[true palm]

switch is definitely harder

[hallow orchid]

And yeah it is worse on switch

[runic summit]

do i need full soul to do it?

[true palm]

but the entire games just harder on switch

yup

[grizzled maple]

yeah simzn

[hallow orchid]

You do yeah

[runic summit]

ok

[true palm]

on switch you do for sure, its almost frame perfect to do a double

i've never personally landed for a double, and i dont know any runner that would go for a double on any platform

would recommend not resetting immediately if you miss the skip, the 20-40 second loss is frustrating but it's going to take a lot longer to get a run done

do you use joycons or a pro controller?

[worthy sluice]

I still aint good enough to do qga, much less anything that difficult on a switch

[true palm]

qss is a different skip

[worthy sluice]

I know but I don't know what its like

[true palm]

its a triple fireball skip in queens station to skip dash

[worthy sluice]

So I was trying to relate it to something I knew

[grizzled maple]

when i run any% switch all i practice is thk and qga

normally if i pick up any% i dont need to practice anything on pc, muscle memory can just cover it

but switch is yikes

[worthy sluice]

Wk is harder than thk to me, is it harder on switch

[true palm]

thk current patch is spooky, and input lag makes it worse

[grizzled maple]

thk is harder for me because im an old runner and thk on 1221 is much slower than cp

wk is the same at least

[worthy sluice]

Ah input lag would make things a tad hard

[true palm]

watcher knights is a lot easier to react to in terms of reaction time

especially when you've run a lot, you've already seen all the positions the knights can be in, so you know how to react to each situation

[worthy sluice]

Yeah makes sense to me

[true palm]

THK is just a pure reaction time + input lag difficulty test

[worthy sluice]

I have a friend who has hollow knight for switch and for the memes I did a speedrun on switch, i had to leave before i could finish... sooooooo not good

[stiff delta]

Switch is kinda uhhhhh

it sure is a way to play this game

[worthy sluice]

Aw yeah, 1:3x:xx should be easy he says no problem he says

[true palm]

current patch already plays weird enough on pc compared to 1221, swapping between that and switch seems a little um special

[worthy sluice]

Then i got stuck on wk for 20 minutes

[stiff delta]

Honestly when i went from switch to pc there was such a noticeable improvement that i just couldn’t go back

I tried once and thought to myself “what am i doing”

[worthy sluice]

Yeah and i was playing on a switch light so no detatched controllers and i was not familiar with how to hold a switch

So i sukked

[vocal dove]

you have to jump like a year early on CP THK

ope messages didn't refresh my b

[worthy sluice]

Your good

[steady lynx]

switch HK isn't too bad... It's just... Special

[worthy sluice]

Hk is never bad

[grizzled maple]

thats a weird way to spell bad

[stiff delta]

hk is a bad game

switch is a bad platform

[steady lynx]

Yeah, it's terrible

[stiff delta]

I mean put 2 and 2 together

[vocal dove]

same tho once i got my pc working i never played on switch again

[true palm]

hk is a great concept, but poorly put together

[steady lynx]

Hey, I practice bosses on PC

[worthy sluice]

: (

[stiff delta]

Gusten just make the swap

[worthy sluice]

Hk is the best game ive ever played

[vocal dove]

yeah, gusten.

[stiff delta]

Dont get me wrong hk is my favorite game ever

[true palm]

you watch an all glitches any% run and you tell me again that hollow knight was put together well

[stiff delta]

But its horrible

[ionic cargo]

I play hk on switch, and I'd much prefer pc if I could

[worthy sluice]

I play on xbox i would perfer pc if i could

[steady lynx]

But I wanna reach the 4:25:xx goal

[ionic cargo]

it would take time to get used to the controls but it would be worth it

[true palm]

they literally kill THK on crystal peaks spikes, like the games not coded well

[ionic cargo]

🍝 code

[worthy sluice]

They arent coding the game to be randomized? Is that what you mean

[true palm]

no its not randomized

watch a run

its 10 minutes long

[stiff delta]

Smh gusten just go get wr already and then make the swap

[true palm]

all done without mods

the game is so bugged, they can load two rooms at once

[stiff delta]

Any% glitched is so cracked

[worthy sluice]

Ah ok

[ionic cargo]

all glitches is so broken lmao

[worthy sluice]

Still better than sonic 06

[steady lynx]

But if I move to PC I can beat Skurry's GE run

[true palm]

like the fact that we have to avoid inventory dropping out of transitions to prevent inventory storage which can cause float glitch which can cause elevator storage which can cause out of bounds should tell you a lot about how put together it is

[worthy sluice]

Thus the patches

Youre playing on 1.2.2.1

[true palm]

go check out main menu storage on current patch

[haughty fossil]

most glitches are still available on cp

[ionic sparrow]

mms on cp is funny

[true palm]

like you can still softlock your game easily

[ionic sparrow]

mms is quite insane tho

[ionic cargo]

if only it could be done on console

[stiff delta]

Something i really want to do is hook up a controller to pc and switch and just see with the same inputs how quickly switch gets off because an input gets dropped

[worthy sluice]

Im too spagetti to pull anything off

[true palm]

its incredibly easy to softlock the game on any patch

[stiff delta]

Pest did you mean nmms for one of those

[ionic sparrow]

no I meant mms

[stiff delta]

cool

[true palm]

most of the patches dont actually fix game breaking bugs, they just patch out some speed tech

[ionic sparrow]

mms in general is wild

[stiff delta]

Maybe im goofy but the way it was phrased it sounds like compare/contrast

[ionic sparrow]

On 1432 it’s a diff kind of weird due to godseeker mode

Ye maybe

[ionic cargo]

I just hope ss is a better speed game

[ionic sparrow]

I can see that

[steady lynx]

Yeah okay, I'll just get switch 112 WR, do acceptable runs on the other console cats and then move to PC

[stiff delta]

Good

[true palm]

imagine thinking silk song is a game, and not a conspiracy

[steady lynx]

How hard can it be to do a good any% run on switch?

[worthy sluice]

Define “good”

[steady lynx]

WR

[ionic sparrow]

Harder than pc due to lack of debug for practice

Oh

[worthy sluice]

Pretty hard

[grizzled maple]

any existing top 20 any% runner on pc could demolish the existing wr

just no one wants to kekw

[stiff delta]

Wr might be tough to get

[steady lynx]

As a pepega once said

[ionic sparrow]

Yeah that requires playing on switch which is hard and scary

[steady lynx]

sub 50 is free

[grizzled maple]

my pc pb on 1221 is a 37 guys. that's where my switch time also stands in terms of skill

[true palm]

considering how unoptimal pc current patch is id imagine switch is free

[grizzled maple]

for reference

[worthy sluice]

Gusten quit bullying me

[grizzled maple]

like im not an any% runner, a 1xx% runner got that time

[steady lynx]

How would you compare your console 112 in skill?

[grizzled maple]

not too far behind. probably a 3:3x

[hallow orchid]

Why do qga on switch when you can do spore shroom?

[grizzled maple]

i got that pb immediately after the sub 3:30 on pc

[hallow orchid]

Wait should I grind for switch any% wr with spore shroom

[steady lynx]

Isn't Spore Shroom slower?

[grizzled maple]

do it math lol

[stiff delta]

math no

[hallow orchid]

It's like mayyyyybe 15s slower Gusten

[stiff delta]

That means you have to play on switch

Its not worth it

I dont want to lose you

[steady lynx]

brb, gonna learn Spore Shroom route

[worthy sluice]

I still do deepnest route

[hallow orchid]

Tk I did low% elegy on switch

[worthy sluice]

Too bad to do qga

[ionic cargo]

plz someone make sporeshroom viable in any%

[runic summit]

queens station makes me wanna die

[ionic sparrow]

Oh did the timing for spore shroom get finished?

[stark birch]

and to this day no one knows why

[hallow orchid]

I have seen the darkness and it has stared back there is nothing left to fear

No pest

Nobody has done concrete thk timings yet afaik

[steady lynx]

math, get Xbone any% WR with Spore Shroom guitar controller

[worthy sluice]

Y’know what, imma get wr on xbox

Make ya work for it

[true palm]

i've spent maybe 9 hours in queens station, and im on pc, cant imagine the pain you're going through, as someone who started with low%, i firmly believe low% is not a beginner category

[ionic cargo]

im going to get a 106% all glitches wr /s

[true palm]

pretty sure NKG isnt available in all glitches

and neither is TMG if iirc

[grizzled maple]

youre only thinking of 112

with a godhome file

[true palm]

oh

[grizzled maple]

mms is still possible to do in a 112 run

just cant cheat all the skills

[steady lynx]

Time to bop Xero

[stiff delta]

Perfect split names

[runic summit]

how do i set that up?

[stiff delta]

I love how nine is a number but everything else is typed out

[true palm]

thats a pc thing mostly

[stiff delta]

Livesplit

[steady lynx]

There is a Split ten

[stiff delta]

Yo

Fr?

[true palm]

you need a computer to run it

[stiff delta]

Split 10 kinda nice

[true palm]

not split 10 split ten

get it right

[stiff delta]

s h i t

[true palm]

you monster

why is it split 10 and not split ten

[true palm]

i feel betrayed

[steady lynx]

I don't even know what split 10 is

Probably Herrah

Should add a split 9.5 for Spore Shroom

[stiff delta]

Lets go

[true palm]

you mean split nine point five right?

[stiff delta]

nine.5

[worthy sluice]

I need 5 splits vengeful, cloak, claw dream nail and wk thats it

[stiff delta]

give the splits icons but make the icons numbers

[steady lynx]

Better idea

[stiff delta]

i mean you technically need no splits

[runic summit]

live split doesn't work for mac

[worthy sluice]

I dont have splits i legit use a phone timer

[true palm]

use livesplit.one

[stiff delta]

If it works it works

[quiet saddle]

Not really a speedrunning question but: what is it that generally goes on in the voice channels in the server? They seem pretty active. Is it like racing or something?

[grizzled maple]

most speedrunners dont use the voice channels unless races

[worthy sluice]

We dont really speedrun in the vcs

[true palm]

thats hk discussion folks

[uneven pike]

speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/y8vo13xz

can i have speedrunner rank?

[quiet saddle]

Ok cool, good to know. Thanks!

[grizzled maple]

oh i missed the link

[stiff delta]

lfg

iflg

[ionic cargo]

perfect splits

[worthy sluice]

Why bidoof

[runic summit]

wait wut

[steady lynx]

Why not?

[runic summit]

livesplit one

?

[ionic cargo]

why not bidoof?

[true palm]

https://one.livesplit.org/

ta dah

[uneven pike]

<@&284848710960021504> speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/y8vo13xz can i have speedrunner rank?

[haughty fossil]

you already have it bud

[digital jewel]

you already have it

[true palm]

fam

[uneven pike]

oh lmao

[steady lynx]

Nice

[uneven pike]

bonk me

[steady lynx]

Can we snail you?

[uneven pike]

go ahead

[leaden python]

welcome

[worthy sluice]

:_ (

[uneven pike]

btw do you have to get all bindings on p5 as well for land of storms

or just the 1st 4

[steady lynx]

All bindings on all five

But doesn't have to be done at the same time

[uneven pike]

hmm

ik

im almost done with all bindings on the 1st 4

[worthy sluice]

Not all of us can play with a dance dance revolution mat gusten

[uneven pike]

but all bindings on p5 will be a struggle

[worthy sluice]

Some of us have average skill

[steady lynx]

Use DK bongos then

[worthy sluice]

...

[true palm]

or POP with a guitar hero guitar

[worthy sluice]

Pop with a steering wheel

[steady lynx]

Colo3 with guitar tho

[true palm]

drumset%

[worthy sluice]

Discord speedrun rank% with piano

[uneven pike]

the 3 horsemen of hard things in the base game: P5, POP, Colo 3

do them all with dance pad

[steady lynx]

The 4th one is jumping

[uneven pike]

LMAO

[steady lynx]

Impossible

[runic summit]

how do i split on one livesplit?

[uneven pike]

also is your pfp an actual picture of in gmae

[uneven pike]

hit the button that says "autosplit"

[hallow orchid]

Guitar PoP and Colo 3 have been done but p5 is too big an ask imo. Dance pad no

[runic summit]

k

[uneven pike]

enable it

[steady lynx]

My pfp?

[uneven pike]

then in options it has a bunch of toobles

[uneven pike]

toggles

[haughty fossil]

livesplit one does not have autosplitter support

[uneven pike]

he isnt using livesplit one is he?

hes using livesplit 2 right?

[haughty fossil]

w

what

[uneven pike]

it was a joke

[haughty fossil]

i assume this means livesplit one, in which case manual splits only

[uneven pike]

the newest version of livesplit

@runic summit do you want to get in a vc and have me explain it

its kinda a pain in the a**

[runic summit]

sure

[uneven pike]

join speedrunning

[runic summit]

uhh

where

[uneven pike]

below general 2

[runic summit]

yeah

i only have afk

[uneven pike]

k well dc from that

and then rejoin speedrun

[runic summit]

umm

no like

i dont see speedrunning

[haughty fossil]

speedrunning chat is locked

[steady lynx]

You can't see that vc without the role

[uneven pike]

oooooooh

bonk me

general 2 then

[steady lynx]

Oh, time to disable my PS4 and switch from auto updates in case 1.5 comes out

[ionic cargo]

same, I need to look up a guide for that

[vocal dove]

sub 50 switch any% is free you say

i might have to try for a PB again because i've gotten a lot better practicing on PC

[steady lynx]

It's a joke

[grizzled maple]

Honestly I imagine once this happens this will become the default for future runs, with 1432 and 1433 being grandfathered on the board

So I don't think you'll have to worry about that, otherwise new runners would just be hecked and that's unfair

[ionic cargo]

maybe I should've put '/s' to signify my sarcasm

[steady lynx]

I think if we grandfather old runs will depend entirely on if 1.5 is faster or slower than 1.4 for a specific category,
For example if 1.5 is faster than 1.4 for like All Skills there's really no need to grandfather the old out since they're slower anyway
But if 1.5 is slower than 1.4 we definitely need to grandfather out 1.4 runs

[dapper cove]

yeah i feel like it's if anything gets updated that somewhat drastically changes routes

or just main functionality of things for that matter

[steady lynx]

For console there's one thing that determines it

New unity version = possibly faster loads

[digital jewel]

that might be true for console you're right

[dapper cove]

if things that are commonly used in runs are altered to where it might be used less/more and certain skips become available or unavailable, then i can see it becoming a new category

unity is just funky like that

[steady lynx]

Console 112 will already be drastically faster thanks to dashmaster being usable

[true palm]

also if 1.5 kills MMS thats pretty huge

[digital jewel]

does it?

also why would that matter?

[steady lynx]

Not really

Console can't use mms and PC can just downpatch

[true palm]

it doesn't afaik, but i'd imagine thats something that could be a last minute change, but i think thats enough to separate some categories

[hallow orchid]

yeah on pc going to 1.4 will be trivial because it'll be a steam beta

[ionic sparrow]

the only categories that use mms are all glitches

and those arent locked to 1432

[true palm]

oh are all glitches not current patch seperated?

[steady lynx]

We don't even have glitch subcats on console so it's even more useless there

[ionic sparrow]

all glitches are any patch

it just so happens that 1432 is the fastest for TE

[digital jewel]

all glitches just runs on whatever is fastest

without mms an all glitches current patch would be pointless

[true palm]

relatable, but still a little off topic, idk if you can claw grip on Switch, but its something to try

[runic summit]

wdym "claw grip"

[true palm]

dpad input overrides analog input on pc, so i hold right on joystick, and tap left on the dpad at the same time. This causes me to hold my controller in a claw shape

[runic summit]

should i not have quick cast as lb?

or l

[true palm]

it doesnt matter what quickcast is on as long as you can use it with nail comfortably to nail cancel and you can preform fireball skips

[runic summit]

alr

im just really bad at queens station skip

for some reason

[true palm]

i mean its incredibly hard

Queens Station Skip, Watcher Knights, and Crystal Heart are all why this category has the infamy it does

probably doesnt help that you most likely have joycon drift piled on with input delay

[vocal dove]

joycon drift isn't really an issue with the pro controller

[ionic cargo]

can we all just pray that 1.5 never comes

[short spire]

umm this is a sidenote but unless I'm reading this incorrectly i think you're misunderstanding the term "grandfathering". the meaning of it in this context is that 1.4 runs getting grandfathered would mean that those runs get to stay on the board due to being valid when first verified but no new 1.4 runs would be accepted. sorry if I misread how you were using the word but just pointing this out to avoid miscommunications

grandfathering does not mean removing the runs which is how i understood it from your message

[hot latch]

Hey I just down patched hollowknight (1.2.2.1) and i'm having a slight concern upon first bootup, There is a secondary hollowknight window open under the same icon that just has a constant save icon in the bottom left, Is this normal? i can't close that window but i can close both, thank you in advance!

[true palm]

1. What does task manager say and 2 does this happen every time?

[hot latch]

Task manager didn't seem to have a problem with it until my pc crashed and restarted but it seems fine now lol, sorry about that

[true palm]

most likely it double launched and freaked out, each instance of hollow knight reads and edits the same files in the registry and appdata folder so they dont like having multiple instances open

[hot latch]

Oh i think that's what happened cuz i did notice the regular version of hollowknight starting up when i first opened it, I'll keep that in mind in case it happens again, Thank you for your help!

[true palm]

no problem, that shouldnt normally happen if you double launch, it normally throws an error

[hot latch]

Oh also quick question with the save data, is it good if i leave a pre done save file as long as i don't open it in the downpatched version? Thanks again

[limpid ruin]

yea that should be fine. Nothing will happen unless you open it in too low a version

but always smart to back saves up somewhere if you want to keep them

[true palm]

yup, would recommend having a backup just in case, and you also want slot 1 available for speedruns

[limpid ruin]

?saves

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[true palm]

heres like a 4 minute explanation on save management, backups and practice files

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xse63RKYqyg&t=15s

new savestate system makes it obsolete for practice, but it still works

[hot latch]

Thank you all a bunch! I already made a backup but i'll check out the video to double check what i did

[true palm]

it mostly talks about which files are important and how to rename .dat files to move their positions and have practice files

[hot latch]

oh that's cool, Thank you

[true palm]

no problem

[worthy sluice]

Yaaaay pb

[true palm]

thats pretty good

[worthy sluice]

Best part is

I recorded this one

[true palm]

welp, if my weird habits could get any weirder, they have, because i now swap to dpad for statue pogo room, so i now do 20% of my run on dpad and the rest on analog stick

[twin swallow]

hey, if it works, it works

[true palm]

idk, wish i could move away from claw grip, and stick to either dpad or analog stick, easier on my hand

either that or use load normalizer so that way i have more time to transition

[ionic cargo]

just use a bot for your inputs

[true palm]

just creates a macro for fireball skips

[worthy sluice]

just say you have a certain time when you really havent touched the game in 5 months

[lone stratus]

pb yay

i didnt use livesplit nor record i really should start recording these could be good runs

[digital jewel]

gg

[worthy sluice]

Nice job!

My pb is only a bit faster, a bit more practice and youll beat me no problem

[subtle glade]

By the way I forgot to ask, is fireb0rn's guide on any% NMG up to date or are there some new strats?

[ionic cargo]

its up to date afaik

[subtle glade]

Alright thanks

I have been practising with that, I'm at mantis pogo for now

[thorn jasper]

there might be small room optimizations since then, but nothing worth remaking a video section for

[thorn jasper]

one thing that I didn't glean from fire's guide on this is to make sure you pogo high up off the first mantis. you want to basically go into the ceiling before dashing right

[subtle glade]

Ok thanks, I did have some trouble getting height, which resulted usually in me pogoing the second mantis twice

[grizzled maple]

Pogoing the second mantis twice is extremely safe though and barely loses time, so if that's easier, do it

[subtle glade]

The only thing I have trouble with now is the first mantis flying too far left, but I guess that's just because I'm too slow

[thorn jasper]

when I was first learning, I thought I had to get much closer to the lever than you really need to. try hitting the lever from farther away so you don't go in as much

[subtle glade]

Do you move left while jumping to the lever?

[grizzled maple]

barely

[subtle glade]

I was holding it, that's probably it lol

[grizzled maple]

once youre doing the upslash on the mantis, you should be nearly in range of the lever

and i mash dash right out of that nail swing to move back as soon as i can (note: some people have less success with mashing than me lol)

[subtle glade]

Didn't have much time today but I have high hopes for tomorrow, maybe I can finally move on from the claw split

It took long to get explosion pogo and mantis pogo, I'll be glad to move on

[grizzled maple]

i respect the effort to actually learn rooms and do a lot of practice before getting into runs. fungal is definitely one of the worst sections honestly

[true palm]

spending time learning how to do skips properly instead of winging it is going to help long term

[subtle glade]

I timed myself, my best is 8:31 on cloak split, I'm adding splits and practising until I'm satisfied with the time

[true palm]

fungal in particular is often overlooked because of how short the split is and how little hp matters

[grizzled maple]

as someone who spends a lot of their day helping new runners, it makes me really happy to see people like you. it's a lot easier to help someone who has an idea of what could be wrong

[thorn jasper]

is that 8:31 from game start until cloak, or is that timed from vs/greenpath?

[subtle glade]

From beginning

[thorn jasper]

that's better than I do on average and I've been running for months

[true palm]

thats really good for a new runner, means you're actually learning the rooms

[thorn jasper]

and executing them well

[subtle glade]

I am, and I am proud to say I get double aspid like half of the time

[true palm]

do you go for high plat or low plat?

[subtle glade]

High, low doesn't work for me for some reason

[shrewd shoal]

Aspid is annoying, but statue/mosiquito room is what KILLS me

[true palm]

so high plat has an rng chance to work even if you mess up, but its harder to get consistent

[thorn jasper]

same; I need to work on my statue pogo

[true palm]

the reason is the aspids will move differently

[digital jewel]

statue pogo is a very minimal timesave

[ionic cargo]

but the minor swag

[shrewd shoal]

yeah but I keep screwing up and taking damage and losing 5 seconds

[subtle glade]

I literally never got a statue pogo, and I still get hit by the white dude when I attempt the mosquito pogo there so it's not the best

[last inlet]

i would never mess up statue pogo

[true palm]

i've unironically dropped probably an hour to statue pogo

[hasty basin]

btw is it easier to do double aspid on cp?

[true palm]

yes the setups different though

[ionic cargo]

wait really?

[shrewd shoal]

What I do is that I jump, hold left for a second, pogo on the statue and then immediatly pogo on the mosquito and then go onto the ledge to the right

[subtle glade]

What's cp

[ionic cargo]

current patch

[true palm]

current patch

[subtle glade]

Oh ok

[digital jewel]

yes the spike always gets hit at a consistent angle on current patch

that makes the timing a lot more lenient

[true palm]

but aspid spawns aren't synced

so you need to wait a tinsy bit longer

on current patch your spike should land on the platform iirc

on 1221 you want your spike to land by the grass

[grizzled maple]

The only way to fail the cp spike pogo, assuming you do it right, is if you get unlucky spawn rng

sometimes one decides to 🐌

[true palm]

1221 is 100% you messed up if you fail it but current patch isnt always your fault

[subtle glade]

One other thing I have trouble with for some reason is the room to the bottom left of the aspid arena, in particular the dash and buffer a jump thing

[digital jewel]

oh yeah

[ionic cargo]

great I can blame it on the game

[digital jewel]

don't hold a direction going into that room

just neutral dash then start holding left after you start your jump

[hasty basin]

i dont even plan on running cp tbh i was just curious because i got it there several times in a row when testing a skin while i can do it only sometimes on 1221

[true palm]

jump as your dash is slowing down

[subtle glade]

I always fall to that platform below, I can't get the timing quite right

[true palm]

thats either because you a) didnt hold neutral or b) you jumped too early/too late

[subtle glade]

c) both

[true palm]

"buffering" a jump doesnt mean you can input a jump the second you dash

you want to jump as you approach the end of the platform

[subtle glade]

I know I know, but I the timing is still weird

[true palm]

its honestly not the biggest time save in the world, since you have to slow down anyway to get the dash

[subtle glade]

If I can't get it consistantly I'll probably just stop doing it

[hasty basin]

i always forget how to do it so i just walk

[true palm]

if you send a video of your inputs, we can tell you whats wrong with it

[thorn jasper]

we might be able to tell without seeing the inputs if you don't have that set up

inputs are preferred though

[subtle glade]

How do you show the inputs

[true palm]

you can set it up in obs by adding a browser source with gamepad viewer

[grizzled maple]

Keyboard: nohboard
Controller: gamepadviewer

Nohboard is an app. Gamepad viewer is a browser source for obs

[subtle glade]

I'll probably do it in like 10-11 hours, as it's late in europe so I don't really want to look for those things now, I'll probably go sleep soon

[thorn jasper]

[subtle glade]

Thanks

[soft jolt]

Omg

Pest lowered more the wr

[thorn jasper]

omg hi

oh yeah that happened

[soft jolt]

Congratulations to Pest

[thorn jasper]

[soft jolt]

Yesterday was watching again fireb0rn's reaction to the wr

"32 is the category killer"

Pest: lowers MOAR

😂😂😂😂

[true palm]

the category can still go lower too

[stiff delta]

why doesnt fire just do ismas route and get wr

[true palm]

i think its scary that we're coming up on a point where you can lose world record pace to baldur spits

[thorn jasper]

i've seen pisces reset on 3+ baldur spits when he was trying to lower his 50:00 all skills record

[true palm]

but it wasnt necessary

[stiff delta]

i feel like most people reset after like 4 spits

like if it goes past that then you hope for rekky

[grizzled maple]

after 4 i stand there and see how far it'll go

[stiff delta]

yea

more than 4 it better go to like 15

[grizzled maple]

i'll only for real reset though over like 8 or something insane because 1xx is very forgiving. I can literally save that on twister if rafters and hell room are nice

[true palm]

pretty sure any% is on the crux of being completely RNG dependent

ie single spit baldurs, rng softfall, double fast attack Uumuu, few parries from THK, etc etc being required

[stiff delta]

Yea hollow knight is a bad game i agree

[true palm]

i think thats when any% feels bad, because at this point, it feels like its been rare to have a run truly die to RNG outside of extra attack Uumuu and baldur spits

[last inlet]

the only baldur spits i care about are 1-3 and 10+

[stiff delta]

Rhino talks about it a lot but it would be nice if you could mess up and not blame the game

[last inlet]

anything else is just kinda lame

[stiff delta]

Like losing a run to baldur is infinitely more infuriating that losing a run to like qga (not counting for like the amount of time in the run)

[last inlet]

yeah it always feels good to know that you can actually fix mistakes you make

[ionic sparrow]

there’s so much in any% that isn’t gated by rng

[last inlet]

if the mistake was 'got bad rng lol' it just feels bad

[ionic sparrow]

The category is so far from rng

Lol

[true palm]

im not saying the category is at that point

[ionic sparrow]

Ppl just haven’t pushed execution enough for that to truly matter

[true palm]

im saying you're on pace to take it there potentially

i'd never even considered it probable to push the category to its exceptional limits

[thorn jasper]

pest how low do you think you could get?

[true palm]

but it feels like sometime in the future, the category will be one where no matter how well you play, there will be runs where you can't get a record (outside of baldur spits)

[ionic sparrow]

idk 2x rn

the game has so much left to be doscovered that it’s not very useful to ask that yet

It’s not developed enough to hit a peak

[digital jewel]

why don't you discover it then

[ionic sparrow]

Cuz I’m lazy

[digital jewel]

oh right

[stiff delta]

lmao

[ionic sparrow]

And it’s hard to find stuff

[digital jewel]

I've dreamed before about some funky walljump to do wingless beasts den skip

[ionic sparrow]

the dream

[digital jewel]

idk where else you could even do anything

the only optimisations left seem to be movement based

[thorn jasper]

something something wallcling storage

[ionic sparrow]

I don’t disagree but it seems like you always hear about games being cracked wide open again like 5 years after they were considered dead

I just have a lot of doubts that hk is even close to that yet

[digital jewel]

yeah but how many games do you not hear about because that doesn't happen

[ionic sparrow]

I could be wrong but I hope I’m not

[digital jewel]

that's some form of bias

[ionic sparrow]

Fair

It’s just kinda hopeful thinking because I like watching this game get pushed more and more

I don’t like to think of it peaking

Lol

[digital jewel]

yeah same

[limpid ruin]

Inb4 whacky routing difference makes mag isma's the new meta together with whatever else magical to sub 30

[digital jewel]

I mean maybe there's enough in movement to make 31 possible?

[ionic sparrow]

Prob

[digital jewel]

at a crazy high level

[thorn jasper]

what other dreams have you had 👀

[digital jewel]

not suitable for this chat

[stiff delta]

uh oh

[harsh mason]

do they involve me xero

[digital jewel]

nothing involving balloons

[thorn jasper]

this is some kinda #431954544419667971 ngl

[harsh mason]

nothing involving bb guns?

[digital jewel]

[harsh mason]

dont block me

[true palm]

i'm concerned for my safety peepoLeave

[stiff delta]

what

help

[thorn jasper]

don't worry nothing wrong here

[hasty heron]

im thinking about trying out speedrunning this game. Im curios does anyone know how many hours the top runners have put in to the game?

[digital jewel]

why is that important to know?

[hasty heron]

im just curios

[digital jewel]

I think there are a few people with over 3000

not sure who has the most

[thorn jasper]

the more important thing to think about is how you spend that time

[grizzled maple]

Hours don't mean much. Zeno has around 700 and beat my 112 time and I have 2700.

[thorn jasper]

yeah pisces got all skills wr at around 700

meanwhile I have like 300 on switch + 1000 on pc but a majority of that was casual nonsense

[quartz bramble]

I have over 1200 but at least half of that is rando

[hasty heron]

im not suprized

[grizzled maple]

Yeah a good chunk of mine is rando too. and 300 on console

[thorn jasper]

the kind of video gaming experience you have before hk also matters

i spent a lot of that time sucking at both video games in general and also at hk

[grizzled maple]

I personally just like to go in and do runs, and pratice after the fact once I know what I need to work on. So it also depends on the kind of runner you are.

I would wanna die if I sat there and did room grinding. But if you wanna get sick at the game, that's probably the answer.

[hasty heron]

i would probably just stick to any% but its a little early to say tbh

Well this will be a grind for sure, just need to think if its worth it lol

[grizzled maple]

speedrunning is mostly a hobby. you can always just mess around and decide you don't like the category or even the game as a speedrun

[hasty heron]

Yeah thats true, i have not even tried speedrunning HK so, probably should just do that first 🕵️‍♂️

[harsh mason]

i have like 500hrs

18hrs 100%ing it casually
472hrs doing nkg with dumb rulesets

10hrs having bad subtraction ability

[digital jewel]

100% reason to remember the name

[stiff delta]

thats a uh

A reference

[harsh mason]

it is

[stiff delta]

I like that song

[harsh mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729784178329124875/822977050607485007/maxresdefault.png

[digital jewel]

[thorn jasper]

are any of those dumb rules....hyrule?

[knotty vigil]

hi

[stiff delta]

Hello

[dull lion]

I just recently passed 400 hours which doesn’t sound like much but then you consider that I got the game like 3 months ago and it gets kinda sad lol

[jagged vault]

900 hours in 11 months🥴

[normal aspen]

I have like 2k 🥴

I think maybe 25% of it was actually helpful to speedrunning

[rugged crow]

750 in like 9 months 🥴

[stiff delta]

like 20 in the last 3 days

[molten aurora]

Oh question, I've wondered about this for ages, with the mound baldur, why is that you only shoot 2 fireballs before you get the baby baldur, rather than firing all 3 straight away?

[stiff delta]

Most people shoot 2 and then shoot during/right after the first spit, and assuming you get a first spit, its kinda like you got the fireball for free

[digital jewel]

it's because of the baldurs stagger after getting hit

it's long enough to fire 2 fireballs and him only stagger once

[stiff delta]

That too

[digital jewel]

so you lose 0 time from firing the 2nd one

[jagged vault]

Yeah we want it to start spitting as quickly as possible

[digital jewel]

but if you fired 3 then he'd stagger again

and that would delay the spit

[jagged vault]

^

[molten aurora]

Ahhhhh, okay, that makes a lot of sense, it's one of those things I'd always just done without knowing why, it's good to know the reasoning behind it.

[hardy quartz]

as a complete beginner to hollow knight speedrunning should i run any% nmg or any% nmg current patch

or just another category completely like all skills etc

[molten aurora]

I'd say all skills for a total beginner.

[hardy quartz]

oki

[dry sluice]

Youa sgoudl run whatever looks most fun to you

Anfs any% nmsms losoks moest fun yo you

[molten aurora]

But yeah, at the end of the day, whatever you think will be most fun.

[dry sluice]

So rhn yhag

[jagged vault]

Kry are you okay

[hardy quartz]

whats the major differences between current patch nmg and downpatched

[jagged vault]

Lever skips

[hearty adder]

any% nmg isn't very different between patches, the differences are very minor. I'd say watch some runs from both cp and 1221 to see which you like best

[hardy quartz]

oki ty guys

[hearty adder]

however, other categories show more differences, like All Skills

[hardy quartz]

[dry sluice]

[digital jewel]

she is very drunk

[dry sluice]

No j epeilnd nevere

[digital jewel]

yeah ok

[hearty adder]

Trying to help newcomers even when drunk yltsi

[harsh mason]

you should run whatever looks most fun to you
and any% nmms looks most fun to you
so run that
not even that drunk

maybe like 2-3% maximum drunkness

[marsh phoenix]

how can i fix the lag in the downpatched version?

[jagged vault]

Older patches have a lot worse performance

[marsh phoenix]

like it runs perfectly in the current version but its crappy as hell in the 1.2.2.1

[hearty adder]

Lowest graphic settings, lower game resolution if you can handle it visually. Older patches are very badly optimized, so there's not much to do

[jagged vault]

If you cannot reliably run them, might wanna run current patch instead

[marsh phoenix]

and that sucks when i try any%

ñeñe

[hearty adder]

Any% current patch is very much an option, lots of people run it

[marsh phoenix]

i may wait to speedrun when i get a better computer

otherwise ill get frustrated

[hearty adder]

Running on a downpatched version of the game is not a requirement

[grizzled maple]

If you're getting near constant stuttering, I recommend deleting the registry.

[marsh phoenix]

i know

[digital jewel]

you could still run current patch though

[grizzled maple]

If that doesn't help, run current patch

[marsh phoenix]

but i love the lever skips and so

[grizzled maple]

downpatching does occassionally cause registry issues which kinda hecks the game

[molten aurora]

I remember when I first downpatched, my game was all pink.

[marsh phoenix]

xD

[molten aurora]

After 10-11 hours of uploading my run to youtube. I'm never gonna have a blue name

[digital jewel]

what bitrate did you record it at

[molten aurora]

Ahhhhhh, yes.

Whatever obs decided, I didn't change any settings.

[digital jewel]

ok

[molten aurora]

It's more my internet is garbage.

[digital jewel]

high bitrate -> big file -> many hours of uploading

[molten aurora]

It's about a 7gb video.

[digital jewel]

when you have bad internet you really have to care about that

because yeah

[molten aurora]

I'll check real quick.

[stiff delta]

7gb video kinda a lot ngl

[molten aurora]

2500 kbps

[digital jewel]

for hk you can go very low

[grizzled maple]

oh is it maybe not mp4?

or

[digital jewel]

maybe try to record stuff as low as 600kbps and see what that looks like

[molten aurora]

it is mp4, but it's ~ 1 hr 30mins

[grizzled maple]

pjii has stupid huge files like that too and he just uses raw footage

obs should automatically encode it

[molten aurora]

Okay, I'll give that a try.

[grizzled maple]

Also are you doing 1080p or 720p?

Going down to 720 could save you a chunk

[digital jewel]

on that internet, you should record in 480p30fps

at max

[molten aurora]

The poor verifiers 😦

I think I'm recording at 1440p lmao.

[thorn jasper]

480p is plenty

[stiff delta]

1p

thats all you need

Thats what my old switch runs used to look like lmao

[molten aurora]

It's okay, my pretty video will make up for the garbage run.

[jagged vault]

Wait is it P J I I? I thought it was P I J I all this time. I guess i’m blind lol

[thorn jasper]

it's piji

pee-gee

emray got it wrong

or am I the wrong one?

[normal aspen]

Was gonna say had my whole life been a lie

[jagged vault]

The pronounciation sure

But the spelling?

[wet marten]

Hey just to know, how do you create a new category in the category extensions ?

Like you have to have multiples people doing it?

[thorn jasper]

holy shit https://www.twitch.tv/pjii

[jagged vault]

Get enough people to run the new category and the mods will create the boards

[thorn jasper]

wtf

[digital jewel]

wtf

[thorn jasper]

my life is a lie

[stiff delta]

em always spelt it pjii right?

[digital jewel]

this is like the bearenstein bears

[jagged vault]

A soft rule is 3 runners having done runs of it

[digital jewel]

I thought it was piji this whole time

[thorn jasper]

@wet marten usually people run existing categories first to get familiar with the process/idea of doing speedruns

[wet marten]

Oh yeah yeah

[thorn jasper]

and then once they know how this all works, do they start coming up with ideas

and knowing what happens in existing categories helps

[wet marten]

I mean we'll have to do that first, my friend created a path for the best bench% run possible, with skips from actual speedruns

[thorn jasper]

does that get wings?

[wet marten]

So for the moment we have to practice the already existing categories

[thorn jasper]

because I know there's a cursed shade skip to get up to hidden station bench

all stag stations uses it

and you can get to the hornet 2 bench with an aspid pogo

[wet marten]

Oh wow

I actually didn't know that

[stark birch]

no reason not to get wings if "bench%" refers to all benches; you have to get to WP anyway

[thorn jasper]

oh I forgot about the wp and godhome benches

[stark birch]

That's a common problem with a lot of proposed categories, the hard requirements behind True Ending in particular (and sometimes categories like elegy%) mean that a lot of other speedruns are just "TE but here's this slight difference", which makes it hard to drum up interest

[grizzled maple]

The H2 aspid pogo used to actually be the All Skills route

[thorn jasper]

there's a bench locked behind void heart and p1-p4 in that case

[grizzled maple]

That was the first route I learned in hk speedrunning

[thorn jasper]

it's in the latest proposed cp reroute

[wet marten]

May i share you the map?

The first one for the moment, we still have to make (huge) improvement and there's not the WP and Godhome already

[stiff delta]

You’d have to get black egg and godhome and also p5 that sounds uhhhh kinda not all that fun if im being completely honest

[thorn jasper]

oh right, there's benches in p5

so that's godhome ending with extra steps

[stiff delta]

at least you dont have to do all of it

Just most of it

[wet marten]

Uuuh maybe the pantheon bench will not get included

[stiff delta]

Then is it really all benches

[thorn jasper]

"all overworld benches" ?

[wet marten]

Because they don't make you respawn

[spice cradle]

all benches except that one in godhome%

[wet marten]

No i mean the one in godhome yes but there's bench in the pantheons if i remember correctly?

Between the fights

[thorn jasper]

correct

[wet marten]

Yeah i'm talking about these ones

Because that include to make all pantheons too

[stiff delta]

Would trap bench count

[wet marten]

He sent me the map, you want to have alook at it?

[grizzled maple]

what are we discussing because i already ran max% benchless

[wet marten]

You need trap bench to get to the nest bench, no?

[stiff delta]

that but in reverse

[wet marten]

Oh no there's a skip

[stiff delta]

No you can do a cool thing

[thorn jasper]

this is the opposite, any% all benches

[grizzled maple]

You're only locked out of the 2% from Grimm and Banish/NKG, and you're locked out of Pantheon 3 and 4 because of those.

[thorn jasper]

*all benches

[grizzled maple]

Oh gross

[wet marten]

Lmao

[stiff delta]

Wait why are you locked out of grimm?

[stark birch]

can't bench to equip the charm

[spice cradle]

grimmchild

[thorn jasper]

🟪 noob path

[wet marten]

It's the first version of it

Yeah lmao

[jagged vault]

This doesn’t tell much if we don’t know the color order

[wet marten]

I can tell you this

One sec

[stiff delta]

Oh thats a funny reason

[wet marten]

Nevermind i can't he went to sleep lmao

All i know is that it start with red (obviously)

[copper patio]

spedron

[digital jewel]

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[sick raven]

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[digital jewel]

yeah not surprising

[stiff delta]

why the ron got sped tho

[wet marten]

I've deleted the map because we're going to optimize it before actually start to practice it

[soft jolt]

Rons are supposed to be sped

[thorn jasper]

when the ron is ||sus||

[dull hemlock]

anyone know why it takes forever to wake up after vengeful spirit?

I'm spamming jump and nail and it's taking 50 years to wake up

[thorn jasper]

if you're on 1.2.2.1 on keyboard, mash the default keys

like zxc

[dull hemlock]

oh, the bounded ones don't work?

[jagged vault]

Yep

[thorn jasper]

Team Cherry wrote Good™ Code

🍝

[dull hemlock]

I see, thanks for the help!

[soft jolt]

That they don't patch... Absurd explosion pogo, LES PETCH

[thorn jasper]

yes we denpetch to wentwetwewen to pego explesion

[jagged vault]

Whatdoes this mean slaurent lol

[thorn jasper]

yes we downpatch to 1221 to pogo explosion

but mugsley said petch so i rolled with it

[jagged vault]

wentwetwewen?

Ohhhh

1221

[thorn jasper]

onetwotwoone

[soft jolt]

Lok

[thorn jasper]

[soft jolt]

Lol*

[copper patio]

spedron

[thorn jasper]

please don't shitpost here

[copper patio]

all i said was spedron

[thorn jasper]

which is a shitpost

if you're not here to talk about speedrunning, please leave

[copper patio]

also you literally just did like 20 minutes ago

[thorn jasper]

oh no you're right

but i've also done a lot for the community, and you have done zero

[distant jetty]

nice cat

[thorn jasper]

thanks

[stable flint]

awso cuz FUCK SANCTUM

pardon the strong language

[hearty adder]

Frick Sanctum

[stiff delta]

Sanctum is cool

i said it

[hearty adder]

Sanctum has Hell Room and that immediately lowers its quality

[stable flint]

tk you sad soul

[stiff delta]

sad soul sanctum

i think sanctum is cool, clearly its called hell room because no one is good enough

[grizzled maple]

I had a SICK hell room in practice today which means I am 100% dying in the marathon

[stiff delta]

Nvm someone is good enough

[stable flint]

wait till u have 3 soul twisters teleporting into your dash

[stiff delta]

Dash better 5head

Not that hard

[hot latch]

Hey i have a question if y'all don't mind, ab my downpatched version i got earlier today (I have 1.2.2.1) and i also got live split, unfortunately i have a lower-end laptop that's having a hard time living with both of the open and running, I'm experiencing small lag and delay as well as a drop in framerate, I'm wondering (other than the obvious turning down graphics and resolution which i already did and also just straight up getting a better pc) if there was any reason this might be happening or any way to further optimize it. I also realized i have the 32bit version of 1221 and was wondering if the 64bit version would be better for my 64bit running laptop (never saw an option to choose between them though)

Sorry for the phat paragraph suddenly lol

[stable flint]

first thing, is v-sync on?

[hot latch]

No i made sure lol

[stable flint]

k good

[thorn jasper]

1221 runs like trash and is horribly optimized. it might not work out in the end

[grizzled maple]

1221 is just horrible especially on laptops. Running current patch might be your only option

[hot latch]

sadness

[grizzled maple]

Yeah its unfortunate

Thats the patch immediately before optimization

[tardy sable]

current patch still has a competitive leaderboard, you can totally still have fun running the game

[hot latch]

Oof

[thorn jasper]

if you're interested in current patch any% i have a really cool streamer for you https://www.twitch.tv/onmiwe

[grizzled maple]

People in your situation are one of the main reasons we made current patch boards.

[hot latch]

Definitely, I'll just have to reinstall it lol

[hollow mesa]

All Skills CP, any% CP, 112%, and pantheons are great

[stark birch]

and all of the mainboard cp cats are in the midst of a routing/running renaissance rn, it's arguably the best time in at least the past 6 months and possibly longer to be running cp

[leaden python]

yeah any% CP is literally the second most runned category in this game

[tardy sable]

TE CP when

[stark birch]

when I run out of memes to run name. soon (tm)

[hollow mesa]

I have general route notes for 112% in #resources, and pantheons are basically just watch the vods and practice

[hearty adder]

Clearing registry, lowering graphic settings, lowering resolution is all you can really do. Don't have any programs open that aren't the game, livesplit, and obs, too; stuff like Discord and Chrome can really hinder you

[thorn jasper]

onmiwe would be 8th if he submitted

[hollow mesa]

My first verified run was pantheon of the knight, it's always worth running

[hot latch]

Noice, I'll have to see about reinstalling the latest then, i'm gonna miss the freedom of inv dropping

The whole 2 seconds i had it lol

[hollow mesa]

You can inventory drop in current patch, too

[hot latch]

I know it's just uncomfy :(

[hollow mesa]

It's just physics frame perfect when you walk off the edge, so it's harder to execute

[hearty adder]

Hey, cp has many nice things; being actually able to run it is one of them

[hot latch]

Thank you all this was really helpful

[hollow mesa]

Of course

[thorn jasper]

I think you'll be able to spedron quite well

[hot latch]

Thank you sir!

[bright grotto]

hey I have a question:
In order to record IGT on livesplit... do you NEED an autosplitter?
what if I just want the game to recognise when it's in a cutscene?

[thorn jasper]

no need for autosplitter splits

[bright grotto]

oh?

[thorn jasper]

buuuuuuuuuuuut the load remover and autosplitter are the same entitty

so to get it to work you need to add at least one autosplit

so I miswrote

[bright grotto]

o... okay... I wanted to add my own splits to help me remember the run a lil better would it still work?

[hearty adder]

To do that you'd probably want to use autosplits, so yes

[tardy sable]

you can still add your own splits and split manually

[stark birch]

yeah! Verifiers literally don't care about your splits as long as you're ending at the correct time (which for any% is on game end and handled automatically as long as you have at least one split). Make whatever splits will help you along the best!

[bright grotto]

so i'm basically using an auto splitter to Start and Finish

and the rest is up for me to choose?

[hearty adder]

If your run ends in one of the game endings, it will split automatically

[tardy sable]

yea, you can have 1 split or 100 splits, whatever you want

[bright grotto]

okay thank you thank you thank you! this is exactly the info I needed

[hollow mesa]

Going waaaaay back here, you'll probably have less system overhead running the 64 bit version of the application. WoW64 is a great translation layer, but on a lower-specced system the more resources you can have the better.

[bright grotto]

this makes so much sense now

[thorn jasper]

but to reiterate, the load remover won't work if you don't have at least one autosplit in those settings

so you can add something like mr. mushroom location 6

it won't get triggered obviously

but it needs to be there

[bright grotto]

that's alright... I'm only running true ending so I'll just use vysuals auto splitter for it

that should work and then I can just meme the splits in the middle to be my own

[hearty adder]

Checking this guide will probably help further
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/cg9vl

[bright grotto]

bows profusely in thanks

[thorn jasper]

you can rename what they are called and have them split on the pickups. like if you want, you can name vengeful spirit as "butt fart"

but it can still split on vs

disclaimer: butt fart is a bad split name, don't use it

[bright grotto]

I basically ONLY want the beginning and end splits to be auto and EVERYTHING else to be me

[thorn jasper]

ah ok

[bright grotto]

I find splitting manually to be extremely satisfying when I'm on pace

[thorn jasper]

just don't accidentally reset

[bright grotto]

but that button is so far awaaaaaay

[hearty adder]

then probably what slaurent said would be a good idea, setting up one split trigger that you won't actually use so you can still use the loadless time

[bright grotto]

h-how do I... do that

I'm not vewy good at this

[hearty adder]

The guide will help you

[bright grotto]

oh o.o okay thonks

[hearty adder]

Basically once you reach the part where you add autosplits, just add something you won't come across in your run

eg. if you're running any% you probably won't be going to the Hive, so you could add the Hive (Area) autosplit. It will never trigger because you will never go there, and you'll be able to split manually and have in-game time

[molten aurora]

I think I'm gonna change my discord name to match my speedrun.com name, just for simplicity's sake when I do actually start submitting runs.

[thorn jasper]

Jesse is pretty cool I don't think we have a Jesse

who like goes by Jesse

is it one syllable or two

[molten aurora]

I would love to hear someone pronounce Jesse with 1 syllable.

[hollow mesa]

Jesse with a silent second e

[thorn jasper]

GESS

[molten aurora]

Ahhh okay, i see.

[thorn jasper]

yes

[hearty adder]

geese

[tardy sable]

jes

[thorn jasper]

goose

[molten aurora]

^

[hearty adder]

Oh shit

[thorn jasper]

[bright grotto]

wh-... how did you get from jesse to goose?

there isn't even a "guess" in between

like how

[thorn jasper]

GESS -> GEESE -> GOOSE

[bright grotto]

BRUH

[thorn jasper]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[molten aurora]

You no what, no memes, I kinda like Goose.

[thorn jasper]

[molten aurora]

Awwww, I don't think I can change my spedron.com name.

[jagged vault]

You can! It’s under the account settings

I’ve done it once

[molten aurora]

You can?? I'm under edit profile, but can't seem to find a way.

[thorn jasper]

https://www.speedrun.com/slaurent/settings/username but replace slaurent with you

[molten aurora]

Ewwwww, you're a savage, light mode.

I'm officially a goose now.

I blame slaurent for this

[thorn jasper]

and I blame @barren valve for goosing my life

(he speedruns Untitled Goose Game as well)

[barren valve]

Hmm? I've been summoned

[thorn jasper]

Jesse^ is now a Goose

I thought you should know

[jagged vault]

Thundar ur cute is the rundown of it

[thorn jasper]

also that

[barren valve]

most excellent, another has joined the glorious flock that rules over the tiny town in England

[thorn jasper]

[worthy sluice]

Im watching back one of my runs, have i always sounded this terrible? Like i sound like an annoying child

[thorn jasper]

almost everyone gets that feeling about their own voice on recording

[worthy sluice]

The run looks nice tho 👌

[cursive jacinth]

At least it wasn't asmr

[thorn jasper]

...are you an annoying child?

[jagged vault]

I am

[worthy sluice]

Annoying yes child not really

I mean technically and legally i am

[thorn jasper]

Child yes annoying not really

[jagged vault]

Child yes annoying yes

[worthy sluice]

Honestly me too

Okay so, why do i suck

[worthy sluice]

All i needed to do was hit left, and dash but me and my infinite wisdom said you know what, that acid looks appealing

[jagged vault]

Kinda spittin facts doe jake

[worthy sluice]

I have so much time to save on movement alone its tragic

[hearty adder]

that's just how it is at the start, before you know it you won't know where to get more timesave from

[worthy sluice]

Obviously i can always save seven seconds from good rng from parry knight

[cold geyser]

Huge PB, it will be difficult for me to beat this without actually learning proper movement past fungal wastes

[worthy sluice]

Jeez

[median basalt]

I think movement is the most fun thing to practice, you get to play full splits instead of practicing a single trick over and over

[cold geyser]

pretty much all i've learned is the major boss fights and isma's

[median basalt]

plus it feels really nice when you nail it, especially crystal peaks

[cold geyser]

ignore the death on broken vessel that was a big choke

also ignore the large amount of timesave on great slash and howling wraiths, those aren't actually the amount of time i saved

[worthy sluice]

Thats almost better than my any% : O

So much gold!!!

[cold geyser]

indeed, there was a lot of gold

[worthy sluice]

I like gold

[median basalt]

[worthy sluice]

I just realized thats 30 minutes faster than your last all skills

[cold geyser]

that can't be right

i think its 17 minutes faster, probably just didnt post my last pb

oh i see what you see

[cold geyser]

its cause of this, i messed up the route in my old run and my solution was to change the splits to be far longer than i'd ever take in a run so splits weren't messed up

[hearty adder]

Yoooo, look at all that gold

[edgy kiln]

lol

[grizzled maple]

I'm sorry that zote exists

[normal aspen]

They call me Zote

[hard agate]

[molten aurora]

That is the single best emote I have ever seen.

[dull lion]

I’m practicing proper any% watcher knights for the first time and I want to say huge shoutout to whoever does this as their first category. I have over 400 hours hk speedrun experience and after like 2 hours I’m getting it like 50%

[true palm]

watcher knights is the single largest time commitment for a new runner (outside maybe QGA or current patch epogo)

[scenic stag]

holy shit that's nuts congrats

[true palm]

idk i found any% watcher knights pretty easy, but thats because i threw my head against a wall for hours and hours learning low% watcher knights

[scenic stag]

I wish I had the patience you guys have

[true palm]

you see, i have this thing called the sunken cause fallacy

[dull lion]

I’m just a stubborn son of a bitch

[true palm]

if i dropped that many hours in queens station skip, thinking it was the hardest part of the run, only to discover that was the tip of the iceberg, i dont give up, because i've already wasted too much time

at that point imma get a damn run done

[scenic stag]

I have some insane adhd so just learning the route to fireball took me like 2 days

and I still can't do goam room

[true palm]

i have the opposite, i'm uncomfortable learning new things sometimes so i over grind, ie practicing crystal peaks for hours and hours to avoid uumuu

[scenic stag]

I forgot that I have to learn crystal peaks, I can't even do expogo

I'm doomed

[true palm]

and tbh, i don't regret that one bit, dashless cpeak is cool, uumuu is ass, low% runners are fools, uumuu is still ass

[scenic stag]

oh yea low%

you must have some super powers to run that category

[true palm]

eh not really, just an unhealthy masochist tendency and love for corner wall jumps

[dull lion]

I have ADHD as well HARME but I was lucky enough to find myself hyperfocusing on this game. I know the struggle.though, learning the SMS any% speedrun took me like two weeks

[true palm]

SMS seems like an ass game to speedrun without race files, especially with i think theyre called Petey? what i know about the run is that its pretty rng heavy

like the King Boo fight as well

[dull lion]

yeah its a bit. I haven't got super into it but probably will a bit soon. They recently passed a rule wher eyou can use hacked save files to start from after all the long cutscenes so im excited to give it another try

King boo sucks and Eel is just not fun

but the movement sections are really satisfying

[true palm]

i'm glad race files we're implemented, but i'm afraid its a little late for them

[scenic stag]

I am super motivated to do this but it seems impossible to practice without debug mod and I'm not big brain enough to download it

[true palm]

its gotten a reputation as the worst 3d mario game to run at a high level

[dull lion]

my suggestion to keep you focused early on from my personal experience is to just start doing runs. don't worry if its a two hour run just go for it. Seeing the improvements as I learned one new strat at a time really helped keep me motivated early on

[true palm]

dont reset in vs split when you're first starting period

[molten aurora]

I'm in this picture and I don't like it.

[true palm]

you most likely have so much time save in the rest of the run that you're more likely to get a pb by never resetting in vs than you are by resetting over even a 10 second timeloss