A lot of room to improve, but I'm pretty happy with it.
#speedrunning
molten aurora
dull lion
Once it’s verified you can post it here for your blue name and access to SR-Ducks
molten aurora
I wasn't recording because I honestly didn't think I'd finish, I'll record the next run and become part of the speedrunners 😋
thin garnet
I was about to pb by 10 minutes on console but then thk rng just made him counter and when he got to the infection phase he did the hard to dodge move and counter
zinc cairn
Guys i think it's working, i was here for like 3 hours and i have only shaw in my head but i can do it even without healing like 70% of the time
thin garnet
Can somebody help me with queens acid skip
molten aurora
Dumb question, but when I want to record a run for submission, do I need to remove debug mod?
ionic sparrow
submissions require vanilla game, eg no mods installed at all
this includes modding api
so yeah no debug mod allowed for submissions
only mods allowed are for the modded leaderboards and the load extender for glitched runs
ashen echo
Just curious who's the current 112% all bosses nmg wr holder?
ionic sparrow
monstahler
snow dome
Dumb question, but when I want to record a run for submission, do I need to remo...
If you have a modded version of the game only right now, you can create a new folder (mine is Desktop -> Games -> Hollow Knight -> 1.4.3.2 Modded) and copy all of your files into it. Then you add a txt file called "steam_appid" with just the number 367520 in it
molten aurora
submissions require vanilla game, eg no mods installed at all
Too easy, thanks for for that.
snow dome
You can then click "Verify integrity of game files" to get a separate clean install and a modded install.
steady lynx
It'll take a lot before anyone even comes close to Monstah on that
snow dome
You'll need to point mod installer to your modded files instead after that, also.
molten aurora
If you have a modded version of the game only right now, you can create a new fo...
I have current patch and a down-patch version, I'm assuming it's not possible to have 3 versions of the game? CP, down-patch with mods, and down-patch without mods?
snow dome
No, you can have as many as you want
I have this, plus the original game in the steam files
So long as each has the steam_appid.txt file (Which you will have made when downpatching) they will all work
molten aurora
No, you can have as many as you want
Oh nice, I guess I'll install another copy for when I do runs.
snow dome
Yep, this is the reason I have 4 also
2 vanilla ones (one for each patch) and 2 modded ones.
The 1221 modded patch is just Debug mod for parctice
digital jewel
you can just make a copy of your modded 1221
and then replace the modded files
here's mine
saves you having to downpatch twice
molten aurora
here's mine
Ty good sir.
haughty fossil
if anyone needs assembly-csharp.dll, i've got you 
some days you feel like having the sha1 hash of every version of assembly-csharp.dll publically available
and then proceed to do nothing with it and instead practice some fancy new epogo strat
steady lynx
It's very useful if anyone wants to practice on 1.3.1.5 for some reason
thorn jasper
if anyone needs assembly-csharp.dll, i've got you <:feelspkman:63963644282116505...
a fellow hoarder, I see 
fair island
a fellow hoarder, I see <:zote:562358113374568477>
Even synced it to one drive for extra safety
mighty girder
yo what's the best way to get a switch pro controller to work on 1221? Joy2key? My ps4 controller being stinky
snow dome
Joy2Key or similar, yes
mighty girder
Right I'm trying to ask like, which is the best choice
cuz there's like a billion programs
plus like, idk if having the game read them as keyboard inputs rather than controller will effect anything
such as dpad overwriting control stick on controller
haughty fossil
joytokey + socd cleaner
actually yeah joytokey + socd cleaner
map dpad and analog to left + right, then socd cleaner does its thing on joystick and dpad inputs the same way
mighty girder
mannn I don't wanna download TWO things LUL
I never do that anyway so I probably don't need it
but i want the option, ya know
oh also, it'll make the right stick not do the instant look thing
ughhh I feel like a xinput converter would work better for this
but idk if there's a good xinput converter out there
all the ones I've used have sucked
mighty girder
That's the one I use for my PS4 controller but that controller is failing
it doesn't work with Switch controller
at least I haven't figured out how
It's also frustrating how this is a problem that about 4000 people have had, but there's no good resources for it
what's up with that
digital jewel
🙂 I don't own a switch controller
haughty fossil
but idk if there's a good xinput converter out there
have you tried x360ce? i've also heard good things about that for directinput -> xinput, which i think switch pro is?
harsh mason
XOutput works fine
mighty girder
have you tried x360ce? i've also heard good things about that for directinput ->...
I have tried that, and it's like 7 years old and unsupported last I checked
mighty girder
XOutput works fine
I'll look into that though, thanks
one silly question though... can you map pause to something other than esc? lol
mighty girder
esc and enter are hardcoded in menus
oh shoot so for menus I gotta map stuff to enter huh
digital jewel
also you will soon learn that lots of things drop kb inputs but not controller inputs lol
like leaving kp
or after dream nail
mighty girder
so like I'll have to re-press right?
digital jewel
yea
mighty girder
ew I don't like that
ugh this spaghetti
wait does keyboard even have a "back" button in menus? Like the B button would do on a controller
esc I guess but I can't double map escape
to the b button
this sucks lmao
digital jewel
🙂
you have to do this for all glitches runs because on controller you'd have to avoid pressing A and B while you're playing with the menu up
while if you map controller to keyboard inputs you completely separate the menu and gameplay inputs
molten aurora
My brain hurts trying to set up obs lmao.
thorn jasper
as long as you start off with obs studio and not some jank like streamlabs obs, then your life recording/streaming experience should be good
molten aurora
It's all working fine, it's more trying to set up a scene with the game and live split, without it looking terrible.
Big brain play, don't submit a run until I break a WR, then I never have to deal with obs 
I'll never break a WR, therefore, I'll never need to record a run.
thorn jasper
but then you'll never have blue name 😦
jagged vault
Try putting the game then a window capture with livesplit on top
Then color key the livesplit window
For a transparent background
molten aurora
Oh, I can make it transparent? This would solve all my problems.
jagged vault
That’s the simplest and cleanest looking way to do it yeah
haughty fossil
set livesplit to a solid colour bg, then colour key in obs
molten aurora
Is there any specific colour I should choose for the bg, or to not choose for that matter?
thorn jasper
but need to beat pv
I started speedrunning before I beat p3 
thorn jasper
Is there any specific colour I should choose for the bg, or to not choose for th...
Don't choose black if you use icons in livesplit, because then the dark parts of the icons will get keyed out
mighty girder
as long as you start off with obs studio and not some jank like streamlabs obs, ...
me using Streamlabs OBS 
also this is what xoutput looks like for me
started holding A halfway through
stiff delta
wavedashing movement lets go
mighty girder
safe to say Xoutput does NOT work
idk what's up with this
pretty sure that's what x360ce did when I tried it as well
when I'm looking at the actual inputs in xoutput, they're smooth
vocal dove
streamlabs caused 97% frame drops on my old pc
i thought it was an internet issue until trying OBS
mighty girder
Yeah I've been dropping frames in SLOBS too, I gotta switch over
mighty girder
when I'm looking at the actual inputs in xoutput, they're smooth
so somewhere along the from xoutput to HK, the inputs are getting shredded
uggghhhhh why's it gotta be difficult
molten aurora
Ah yes, I too enjoy headaches.
mighty girder
second run it looks like?
molten aurora
It was yeah, but just more how terrible the text looks.
snow dome
That drop Shadow is something.
pallid sage
Any chance a mod can hook me up with the speedrunner role? https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/z18nedjy
digital jewel
grats on wr btw
pallid sage
Tyvm!
mighty girder
whoa whirl rekky
turbid wren
very nice
mighty girder
I really hope silksong has working controller support because I'm sick of trying to play the game and being told no
thin garnet
Im sad because i got a good run on switch for any percent but i cant record any runs since i dont have capture card
mighty girder
point a camera at your tv 
jagged vault
you can record with your phone or such
as long as game audio is hearable at all times
and ofc being able to see the game
low bramble
just make sure the quality is enough for the verifiers to see
jagged vault
the most important thing for that is probably that the camera doesn't shake
thin garnet
Yeah i guess
The reason why im sad is because this run would put in 15th pace which isnt that good but still
But there is no way to comfirm so i will have to record next time
mighty girder
I hate to keep spamming this channel with my controller issues but someone on this planet's gotta run HK 1221 with a Switch controller, right?
shit, even current patch doesn't work with a switch controller
the + and - buttons don't work so you can't even open inv
cool, I'll see if I can DM them.
lmao I searched v0oid and the only thing they've posted in this discord is Switch controller issues
Yeah I can see why lmao
it seems impossible
omg I think I've done it
OMG OMG
I should make a guide on this so people can find it in resources or something
vocal dove
i've definitely used pro controller on current patch
but joytokey was too complicated so i went out and got an xb controller
stiff delta
i run it
mighty girder
do the + and - buttons work? that's the issue I ran into
stiff delta
with pro controller
mighty girder
whoa what do you use TK?
vocal dove
yeah they worked for me
stiff delta
but i use a thing call reWasd which is like 6 bucks but ive never had any problems with it
mighty girder
like what program
ah gotcha
what I'm doing right now is using WiinUPro
and I had to map the buttons to Xbox buttons (like usual) but it still didn't detect start and select/+and-
so I had to map THOSE to keyboard inputs
stiff delta
ah
mighty girder
so right now HK is detecting both controller and keyboard
idk if that'll cause any issues
but I wouldn't think so
somber cedar
HELL YES finished my first All Skills run. Atrocious time because a) I'm bad and b) I died in dark deepnest 🥴
mighty girder
any run is a good run in my books!
somber cedar
(probably not going to submit to leaderboards yet because ugh that time)
but first try on spike tunnel + both isma's skips, so that's nice ig
thorn jasper
but first try on spike tunnel + both isma's skips, so that's nice ig
that's better than like....half of my runs
somber cedar
ohno
fallen forum
monomom the teacher? i think you mean professor fish
as important as practicing is getting good split names i think
somber cedar
monosyllabic split names == more brain space for learning the actual run
fallen forum
genius
somber cedar
okay, I will avoid the scolding
mighty girder
ok I think I'm realizing the issue I was having. Instead of converting the controller's input into xinput, the system was detecting both dinput and xinput at the same time
how do I make it only take one of those?
like instead of converting, it just makes another input lmao
I should just stop while I'm ahead lol
worthy sluice
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I JUST KILLED A SUB HOUR AND PB ON THE SAME DEATH!!!!!!!
IMMA KILL MYSELF
knotty vigil
that's really rough
knotty vigil
I remember losing a pb to distant village when I got too cockey
worthy sluice
First run was killed by getting hit thru a wall that i didnt think you could get hit thru
mighty girder
well now you know what to practice
worthy sluice
And second was me on 1 mask 1 screen away from a bench, one pixel away from a downward loadzone and i get sniped
My knight died halfway in the ground
It was such a pretty run too
knotty vigil
Where did the second death take place?
mighty girder
I don't know what category you're even talking about, but that sounds like either Queens Garden or Watcher's Spire
worthy sluice
Right before kings station bench, back to salubra
knotty vigil
I don't know what category you're even talking about, but that sounds like eithe...
I'm assuming this is any% NMG
mighty girder
I was... kinda close with watcher's spire lol
knotty vigil
I was... kinda close with watcher's spire lol
how do you almost die at spire?
worthy sluice
Falling down from watchers i suppose
Or the room next to watchers bench
That can be deadly if you cant navigate it right
Anyways i run any% nmg on CP
So im sloe
mighty girder
oh I mean my guess was close with watcher's spire, there's a few ways you can die in there
like the whole area, not just the top
like the room with the lever skip
worthy sluice
Anyways moral of the story i suk
knotty vigil
like the room with the lever skip
that can be crushing if you don't pull it off fast enough
mighty girder
and CP has to fight the big guy which can def kill you
mighty girder
big red guy
knotty vigil
does two masks of damage
mighty girder
yup yup
knotty vigil
Those guys suck even without the speed element
worthy sluice
Those guys suck
Im 50% consistant on not dying in that room :/
So i always safty bench
haughty fossil
cp's main debuff is not actually the great husk sentry, but cp thk sucking
worthy sluice
Thk is easy enough
haughty fossil
he's even a bully in all skills 
knotty vigil
cp's main debuff is not actually the great husk sentry, but cp thk sucking
I actually noticed that from going back to current patch for a causual playthrough
knotty vigil
I mean he's not hard, he's just harder than what most of us are used to
worthy sluice
I hate that thing
haughty fossil
cp thk has some weird ass dunning kruger effect lookin curve to his difficulty i stg
illustration
knotty vigil
I have never seen a more accurate image in my life
onyx spade
Accurate apart from the upwards slope at the end
haughty fossil
yeah sorry that should be way less steep
meager current
illustration
Ye I hate the second phase difficulty spike
limpid ruin
I hate the anything about thk 
haughty fossil
i'm talking more about how difficult the whole fight feels as you practice for more time
limpid ruin
I like your new prof pic tho, slothy 
Oh wait this isn't offtopic 🥴
But, is cp thk hitboxes just as jank as downpatched thks?
haughty fossil
as you can see here, as you first pick up cp thk he is literally impossible. but you keep on trying for 20 years and eventually kill him a couple times. then you learn a few strats and think "whoa this free". then you learn more strats, try to implement them and suddenly you start facetanking. constantly. your whole life is now reparations for trying to go fast. look at what you've done. you went from gamer to gamed.
stable flint
but with everyone not just ppl with blue role or mods
stable flint
as you can see here, as you first pick up cp thk he is literally impossible. but...
thats not just cp jamie
haughty fossil
...orange
stable flint
how was i discriminating
stable flint
and occasionally a banana
only to simo things tho mostly
grizzled maple
hey theres like 3 mods who like us too
grizzled maple
zaliant, sonia
true palm
im not sure if this is known, but you can get a fast toll by looking up first and then down if you're at 1hp, its not instant but its still faster
stable flint
that might be why i thought it was look up look down for so long
true palm
ye it doesnt work because you're characters sprites different
i only noticed look up worked because i got bullied in dark deepnest and tried it out
before i always healed because healing was faster than waiting for the toll
quiet saddle
Question: On hitting his parry, does THK not dash forward if you get him to his final scream?
Are you saying he doesn't dash?
I worded my question poorly so I'm not sure what you're referencing :P
Yea he usually dashes so it screwed me here: https://clips.twitch.tv/FilthyDifferentPastaKappaWealth-Pku41QTW6B_kGlI-
You can hear my confusion 
stiff delta
its less of a dash but more of a step forward right?
that doesnt solve the problem im just trying to clear up confusion
but i think generally assume that its 🍝
limpid dust
really quick random question, how much is pure nail dmg and how much is it with panth nail binding?
spice cradle
21 normal and 13 with binding
limpid dust
thx
hot latch
Hey y'all just got hollow knight on my pc, i had it on console but i'm wondering as speedrunners what keyboard binds are mostly used?
haughty fossil
whatever you want, a lot of people seem to use default binds w/ inventory bound to v for inventory drops (or so i hear)
playing on controller is also totally valid if you can get it to work though
worthy sluice
Playing on controller is fun, if you can downpatch and use savestates
hot latch
Thank you guys a ton!
worthy sluice
Gl
normal aspen
The main choice for kb binds is whether you prefer left or do it hand movement. I prefer left so I have wasd move and then kl;' as nail jump dash and quick cast, then inv on space and , as cdash.
haughty fossil
(just ensure quick cast is easily accessible is the main pitfall i'd see new runners falling into)
normal aspen
The philosophy behind it is just something comfortable that lets you not have to take fingers off of movement and the have 1 finger dedicated to each of nail jump dash and quick cast
worthy sluice
Also hollow if you are an xbox gamer i moved focus to y moved dream nail to right bumber and kept quick cast as b
normal aspen
I only take my finger off on nail for cdash and dnail
hot latch
Thank you guys, that all makes sense
dapper cove
the first thing i did when i really wanted to start speedrunning was fiddle with controls
i kept them the same for the most part but i hate it so i'm probs going to change it but i changed my inv key
i believe i set my inv key to s and moved cdash to v
i'm already blanking on what i did but regardless i hate the controls that are the default
hot latch
I agree, I think for now i'm going to use v as inventory cuz i is just sad but in the future if i decide i don't like something i'll prob change it around, Thank you guys again for the input!!
thorn jasper
for the input
heh
molten aurora
I use 'i' for inventory 🙂
thorn jasper
if you're on 1221 and doing inv drops all the time, it should be easily reachable
I have it on spacebar
molten aurora
I have 'i' bound on my mouse
grizzled maple
I learned today that inv is I on keyboard because I fat fingered on k which is my debug insta kill and gave myself storage 🥴
dull lion
Can you bind nail art separate from nail? Cause I was thinking about trying to move it to left bumper so movement is less 🥴 when using controller and charging art
dull lion
You’d need to setup like joy2key or something for that though right?
verbal stag
yep
dull lion
That sounds like a lot of work so I will continue to suffer lol
Thanks for letting me know it’s a possibility though
verbal stag
joy2key is really easy to use, but its up to you
urban dove
hi guys! idk where I'm suppose to request for blue name but I submitted a run which was just verified. May I join the blue name society?
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/mk7op9vy
dull lion
I’ll probably do it at some point when I feel less lazy
molten aurora
Is double spike kill different in 1.2.2.1 than it is is CP? In CP I could hit it pretty consistently, but have never hit it in 1221.
dull lion
Very much tighter on 1221
urban dove
oki no rush spicie or anyone honestly, am just excited!
steady lynx
It's extremely free on cp
dull lion
You need to be much quicker
Oh I wasn’t talking to you Vergil lol. Hype about the blue name!
I don’t have the authority unfortunately
urban dove
oh ooops lmao thank u
dull lion
Once a mod sees it they’ll promote you
thorn jasper
It's extremely free on cp
yeah on CP all you need to do is hit the spike and it takes the same trajectory. on 1221 it's like...physics
steady lynx
It's so easy on cp so even I can do it, and I'm terrible at the game
thorn jasper
for 1221, here's a reference with the spike-trigger area boxes shown: https://discordapp.com/channels/283467363729408000/283467985224466442/816726401335951372
after I was able to see those hitboxes, I was able to figure out how to delay entering that rectangle so I can hit the spike sooner (i.e. sooner after it starts spawning/falling)
molten aurora
Ahhhh, makes sense it's easier in CP, I always thought it felt easy when it was hyped up to be a hard trick.
Time to reset the room for the next 2 hours till I can get it.
steady lynx
Just keep thinking it's hard, gives you a feeling of power
molten aurora
Oh boy, time to spend way too long learning this when I really should be practicing other things.
thorn jasper
priorities 
molten aurora
Oh I hit it already, easy game.
Gotta learn the cool tricks before the important ones
molten aurora
I really do need to practice basically every room on the way to VS
dapper cove
I can get through cloak just fine
claw starts getting hazy bc I can't do explosion pogo but it isn't a massive time loss
then it all goes downhill from there
takes me at least like 2 minutes to get shade skip
i'm slow on dream platforms
and we aren't even going to talk about getting through wk
but i'm still pretty new to speedrunning
i haven't even gotten one submitted run done yet
my first complete run is just going to be a baseline for me to analyse where i need to work on
idc how fast it is i just want to use the route and get it done so i can train in the areas i need to
namely skips and speeding up boss fights
molten aurora
I'm the opposite, once I get VS and into Greenpath, I'm pretty much fine. But because I run all skills, no need to worry about scary boss fights (we don't talk about hornet 2).
I've only been running for 2-3 days now as well, I'm wouldn't call myself a speedrunner yet, more a speed walker
dapper cove
i through myself right into the wringer by going for any%
i can't do vs skip yet so i use the squib dude to bypass my inability to do it
bc that's the only one where it's crucial you get it
otherwise you're going to need to trek a ways to get back on track
grizzled maple
Those skips aren't super necessary. Each loses roughly 10 seconds.
molten aurora
Do you happen to have vsync on?
dapper cove
no
grizzled maple
Go ahead use the squit. Also check pins for fb skip advice
dapper cove
tbh idk what that is
i've looked at the pins
i just have very bad motor skills
it's entirely on me lmao
i also have naturally shaky hands so it's easy for me to mess things up
grizzled maple
Vsync is an in-game video setting. It caps your fps to your monitor refresh rate. Make sure thats off. Also make sure you're using quick cast for spells.
dapper cove
the number of times i've dashed into enemies on accident
i do use quick cast
i know that
grizzled maple
You want the most fps you can get with this game
dapper cove
i made sure i knew that button
molten aurora
Ah okay, I learnt the fireball skips with vsync on and absolutely hated it. As soon as I swapped, I could hit them pretty consistently.
dapper cove
i'll double check now i just have to boot up my pc for the day
thorn jasper
*the number of times i've dashed into enemies on accident*
✅ I'm in this photo and I don't like it
dapper cove
i doubt it's for the same reason though slaurent
not to mention having tics sometimes, stims, and all around anxiety it makes fine motor skills rough when in those scenarios
in things that i deem quick time events it takes me a hot minute to get things right
my handwriting is fine and i've played piano for years so it's not too difficult once i get my own hands under control lmao
i swear if i didn't have shaky hands i'd be the best speedrunner
thorn jasper
damn that must be rough. during my first tournament match my hands were shaking from nerves and it was really hard to play like that
grizzled maple
If it makes you feel better I have sjogrens and other motor autoimmune illnesses and my hands are horrible. Some days are worse than others but I once had top 3 in 112%
molten aurora
not to mention having tics sometimes, stims, and all around anxiety it makes fin...
I feel that, hollow knight is the first game I don't feel super stressed doing tight tricks, it just feels kinda natural.
grizzled maple
Just practice and believe
molten aurora
Question, what do I do when this abomination of an aspid moves up and to the right (more or less to the red box), it only happens 5-10% of the time, but when it does, even holding right the entire room, I can't reach him with a down slash.
dull lion
You can definitely reach it, it’s really awkward though
I think that’s technically one of the optimal positions time wise at least
dapper cove
damn that must be rough. during my first tournament match my hands were shaking ...
i have a whole concoction of mental health problems that makes me physically pretty weak and shaky so learning to work around that i'd like to think makes me a lot stronger
dull lion
Just kinda bash your head against the top platform and down slash right as you start to fall, you’ll just barely catch it
dapper cove
and depending on my level of focus it entirely goes away
i have this "magic power" of completely blocking everything out when necessary and hyperfocusing very very hard
i have some fun stories from high school because of that
albeit it was unintentional then but i'm better at controlling it now
thorn jasper
and depending on my level of focus it entirely goes away
part of the reason I choked my all skills tournament round 2 match is because my adderall wore off for the day
dull lion
There’s a chance you might be standing on the left platform too long if you absolutely can’t hit it. You don’t walk all the way to the end I don’t think
dapper cove
i'm still trying to find the right adhd medication for myself
molten aurora
You can definitely reach it, it’s really awkward though
Hmmmm, so if I get that case I reset the run
dapper cove
the one i have now idk if it had awful side effects or if it was just coincidence bc my sleep schedule got very bad the second i started the meds and i felt dizzy all the time so idk if it was coincidence or what
but according to my doctor i should've noticed a difference almost immediately and i didn't so i think it just didn't work lmao
uneven scarab
hey, how much damage does spore shroom do to thk while he's stabbing himself?
dull lion
Just keep trying and you’ll figure out how to make it work. No reason to reset after missing a small thing like that either unless you’re running 4ms
dapper cove
doesn't thk not take damage while he's stabbing himself?
or are the damage per tic charms different
dull lion
He only takes 1 per hit no matter what
grizzled maple
He takes 1 damage from anything. Unsure about spore shroom
dapper cove
theoretically speaking here
uneven scarab
cause I hear it shreds him, not sure if it's on cp or on 1221
grizzled maple
Fluke on 1221 does full damage though. Thats a more complicated question than it sounds
dapper cove
i'm putting my math goggles on
if it does 1 damage per tic
and there's 20 tics per second
then 20 dps
for however long he's stabbing himself for
uneven scarab
whistles
dapper cove
unless the damage for spore shroom works different
grizzled maple
The wiki says the info. The problem is spore shroom would basically never be worth in terms of dps
dapper cove
plus you'd have to use all of your soul to make it worth while
grizzled maple
In the self stab phase you farm soul and shred him between them
dapper cove
which you'd be better off saving for when you can do actual damage
uneven scarab
makes scream skip skip more viable then?
grizzled maple
Any spell will be more dps than spore shroom. The charm is only worth if you don't have spells or shaman. I actually memed with this
dapper cove
i'm no expert on speedruns i can just do math idk about that lmao
grizzled maple
Even shaman vs obsoletes spore shroom
dapper cove
i've been considering switching my major to maths so i think that proves it
grizzled maple
So like its an okay rando play if you literally don't find a spell
dapper cove
just depends on if i'm transfering colleges and where to
uneven scarab
yeah, that was what I was thinking
thorn jasper
i'm no expert on speedruns i can just do math idk about that lmao
speedrun Pokemon
dapper cove
the only reason i use spore shroom in my current rando is bc i literally do not have vs and can't get it
it costs 800 essence to get
grizzled maple
Pokemon is actually 90% math calcs in real time no joke.
dapper cove
it is
grizzled maple
Lemme get a screenshot
dapper cove
knowing how much damage something does
percent chances for things to be evaded
current attack stat and def stat
maximising damage output while making sure to know your pokemon's defense and hp
move sets of pokemon
grizzled maple
This is one of the first fights in the run
dapper cove
so you know what to look out for
grizzled maple
I'm a moderator for the gens 6 through switch games btw
dapper cove
oh cool
grizzled maple
Yeah I know pokemon lol
dapper cove
i attempted a nuzlock for pokemon white at the beginning of this month
stupid normal type gym annihilates me every time
doesn't matter how many pokemon i have
that one gym
mainly the watchdog
grizzled maple
(I know a little less about gen 5)
uneven scarab
tbh, since pokemon games are so long, if I ever do end up speedrunning it, I'm prolly just gonna record me playing casually and just submit it for fun :3
dapper cove
same
that's half what i'm doing for hk rn
i'm just casually learning to speedrun
i'm not trying to break records and stuff
uneven scarab
haha, with the exception of pokepark
dapper cove
know the route and do it
grizzled maple
Honestly pokemon is more strict about that. They follow the src site rule about "minimal effort"
dapper cove
as like an extra challenge
grizzled maple
If it looks like a casual run it'll be rejected
Because its MUCH more popular so the board is more strict
dapper cove
plus i like hyperfixate on things so hk is a good option for me
uneven scarab
yeah, I understand what you mean
grizzled maple
But if you like math you might enjoy learning it. Especially gen 6+
dapper cove
i can go for meme records or just try to learn all the routes
i don't have a switch unfortunately
grizzled maple
You basically play off whatever stats you get and make plays in real time based on math charts
uneven scarab
btw, is there a pokemon speedrunning specific discord or is it just the normal pokemon discord?
I mean, most of the spinoffs have specific discords
grizzled maple
We have one for gen 1-3, gen 4-5, 3ds, and switch
You can probably get the links from src
uneven scarab
ah, kk thx :3
grizzled maple
Used to be one server but it got too big
uneven scarab
yeah, Pokemon do be very popular
dapper cove
but yeah i'm just not going ham on speedruns and streaming them on twitch bc of underlying circumstance
i'm having to prep myself to flee the country possibly just to get away from my parents bc of how relentless they are
that and where i am with college expenses
i'm close to the border so hopping over for college isn't difficult
grizzled maple
Btw try to stay on topic here
molten aurora
There’s a chance you might be standing on the left platform too long if you abso...
Okay, I'm about 50% consistent with the double spike kill, and if I miss the 2nd one I'm a lot better at reacting and finishing him off. Time for the next room
Oh I did not mean to reply to that.
uneven scarab
1221?
molten aurora
Yeah.
dull lion
If you find it encouraging, I’m 20 on the leaderboard right now and I only get double spike like 60%
For all skills not any%
So like 50% is really great starting out
molten aurora
A fellow all skills friend
I wouldn't mind if I missed the double 100% of the time (I kinda would actually) I just wanted to be more consistent hitting at least one.
uneven scarab
it's much harder on 1221
molten aurora
I actually jumped into the spike and still hit the double once.
dapper cove
it's just not worth just starting out
jaunty anvil
i couldnt do it ever on 1221 until i just looked at the aspids rather than thinking about the time
molten aurora
Why is the entire VS split so hard 
vocal dove
is my game dropping a ton of inputs or did i accidentally get used to current patch yesterday?
boreal estuary
grats on first run 
neon island
Just snatched the sub 2
civic hamlet
What part of the audio on the landing of QGA skip here do you wall jump out at
i barely get the first part, but i fall into the acid from not getting the wall jump at the end on all my successful attempts
haughty fossil
i don't use audio, you can cancel the cdash right before hitting the wall and jump at the end of the animation
try cdashing into other walls and get a feel for jumping off them
keep in mind the lower you are, the harder the walljump becomes
vague jolt
i don't use audio, you can cancel the cdash right before hitting the wall and ju...
Does cancelling increase your chance of being able to get the jump? I usually just smash into the wall
haughty fossil
it makes the visual cue easier
since it's easier to tell when the animation ends as there's more movement + no screen shake
civic hamlet
thanks for the tip, im slowly losing my sanity to this trick
i feel like 80% of the 60% of runs that get past watcher knights, will be lost here for me lol
it does seem like even if the wallcling is started, crystal dash just doesn't wanna work for me, it just like, feathers the slide into the acid without ever trying to start the dash
fair island
you can go through deepnest to get to herrah
civic hamlet
is that like super slower?
ig probably doesnt matter if i have literally no runs on the board yet, thank you, literally had to stop trying qga
haughty fossil
it's 40s assuming you would do a perfect qg
civic hamlet
yeah ill probably do that instead <3
wet oxide
limpid ruin
What part of the audio on the landing of QGA skip here do you wall jump out at
I saw the other things you wrote on trying deepnest route (which really isn't an issue at all, 40 seconds with optimal play but dying in qg makes that difference a lot smaller 
), but my tip for finding the crash into wall cue is to just find a safer wall where there are no enemies or anything, and cdash into it multiple times trying to find the correct timing for when to jump. There's like a "latching on to it" sound after the crash rumble, but it's not super clear unless you know about it and look for it. Otherwise it's probably later than you'd think
civic hamlet
that's very helpful, thank you so much! 
haughty fossil
i still can't do qga, yet for some reason i'm becoming good at dashless qga using the mashing method 🥴
normal aspen
wtf jame
haughty fossil
idk i tried it 3 times and on the 3rd try i started a streak of getting it 7 times in a row
clear olive
imagine being able to do qga
true palm
aim for your eye touching the acid when you dash
like as in your eye will touch the acid when you start your cdash
if you cant get it when thats happening theres other timings your messing up
vapid lance
1h 52m 11s let's go
quaint grove
what does a VS stand for?
sonic crane
quaint grove
oh thanks
spare beacon
anyone know how to do QGA?
i can do crossroads acid just fine, but qga is just too hard
normal aspen
nah
wicked trench
i can do crossroads acid just fine, but qga is just too hard
we were having a small conversation over there 🙂
#speedrunning message
If you can give us more information we might tell you more
steady lynx
QGA is a myth made up by top runners to keep new runners to All Skills
wicked trench
you are probably cdashing too early
There is a wall on the top right of that room
try to dash into that wall and then cdash
spare beacon
ok
north hemlock
i suck at fireball skips ngl
only been able to pull off the 3rd one in the practice runs ive done
old sphinx
QGA is a myth made up by top runners to keep new runners to All Skills
Idk if a spike tunnel into 2 acid skips with a sketchy one is that easier than QGA 🥴
vocal dove
just learn true ending and you won't have to worry about any of that
blazing aspen
I find ismas all skills skip to be easier than QGA
jagged vault
it is, only the spike tunnel is very mechanically precise
the two acid skips are generally more lenient
except if you get hwurmped 
steady lynx
Isma's skips are easily easier than QGA
wise wolf
what is defined as a major glitch?
hallow orchid
there's a list of rules on speedrun.com for NMG
wicked trench
should be those one
Any Invulnerability glitch
Any Out of Bounds glitch
Any glitch that results in an invisible character or will result in a invisible character with no additional player input
Any form of item duplication
Inventory Storage
Float glitch
Superslides
Breaking Boss AI such that they are severely limited from moving or attacking
If you go to speedrun.com you can see the rules for each category
wise wolf
ok ty
spiral nest
who decides what is on the list ?
low bramble
the speedrun.com mods have the final say but we decide on most things as a community
low bramble
yes
jagged vault
yes, we do votes
hallow orchid
specific rules are voted on yeah
spiral nest
O nice Thats cool
low bramble
there should be more votes @ televator
hallow orchid
@ lever skips 
spiral nest
anyone can participate in the votes ?
hallow orchid
people who have verified runs on src
jagged vault
anyone who has the speedrunner role (which is obtainable by having a verified run on src as mathulu said)
limpid ruin
Idk if a spike tunnel into 2 acid skips with a sketchy one is that easier than Q...
I agree with this. While one qga is harder on its own in terms of frames to hit it, isma's skips is three skips (4 in 1xx% ) where all individually are tricky in their own right. One spike tunnel to demonstrate whacky hk pogo physics handling, one acid skip which isn't super hard in terms of leniency, but hwurmp potential together with little to no visibility of the knight makes it harder than it may seem, and then a third acid skip based on some of the more 🥴 obscure mechanics in the game that I doubt many players figured out on their own first time without having them explained after lots of trying and failing. Add on to that how you have 5 hp to make it through and dying is a big ouch in there especially, then it gets the heart pumping 
hot latch
Hey i tried downloading the preloader.exe from the anypercent chat pins, McAfee reallllllyy hates it, should i still download?
hallow orchid
I think the ismas skips are much much easier on their own than QGA though, as long as you know the setups. And on top of that there's a good backup bluggsac for infinite soul next to the second skip so it's a lot more beginner friendly
The spike tunnel is rough though
which is why current patch emilitia route is the best AS route
leaden python
antivirus software should never be installed on your pc unless you absolutely don't know what are you doing online or interact with usb drives that you suspect are owned by people who don't know what they are doing online. Even then autorun scripts might be banned
honest folio
sorry to disturb the conversation, but does anyone happen to have a pantheon 2 .lss?
dull lion
QGA terrifies me. I get the ismas skips really consistently but QGA I’ll get like 1 in 30
limpid ruin
I think the ismas skips are much much easier on their own than QGA though, as lo...
Yea, that's fair. I just know that I struggled way more than just tons with isma's skips when starting bc view was largely obstructed. Xero can attest to that from my messages in his chat 
leaden python
Antivitus software is scam spyware crapware useless resource-hogging waste of human effort that is irrelevant since like 2010 when windows xp was the hottest OS in the world
limpid ruin
Also yea, what vali here is saying is an accurate description of antivirus software, ngl @hot latch
kind flume
@honest folio this is what I used a while back, probably works
hot latch
Also yea, what vali here is saying is an accurate description of antivirus softw...
lol yeah looking back on the question i realize it was kinda dumb
honest folio
thanks @🧤
leaden python
I will die on this hill 😤
thorn jasper
lol yeah looking back on the question i realize it was kinda dumb
To answer the actual question directly...yes still download it
dull lion
Honestly I’ve had viruses slow my computer down less than antivirus software
leaden python
I mean, as I pointed out, if you don't know what are yo doing online then antivirus might be a semi-foolproof safety net
dull lion
Yeah and also if you have actually important secure info on your computer it could be worth
leaden python
that doesn't actually guarantee anything
limpid ruin
Antivirus software is more annoying in false positives than it is at stopping true positives
leaden python
Having just basic online/computer education is essential in 2021. It will make you safe from 99.98% of crap in the internet which is way more than any existing antivirus will ever give you
dull lion
That happened to my mum like a few months ago and i facepalmed so hard when I heard
leaden python
I think that response to getting rekd like that is not installing antivirus because nobody benefits from it (apart from antivirus companies). The response should be education
dull lion
That too lol
leaden python
I guess not everyone can afford that
although if you have stonks to pay for antivirus
vocal dove
i guess this means avast is irrelevant now?
lapis nexus
Hello, any chance speedrun notes for Any% NMG exist somewhere?
vocal dove
my friend who helped me build my computer highly recommended "investing" in a good antivirus
haughty fossil
there's the guides on speedrun.com, there's fireb0rn's video guide too
lapis nexus
Alright, thanks 
lapis nexus
cp?
haughty fossil
current patch
old sphinx
I think that response to getting rekd like that is not installing antivirus beca...
I just use windows defender and never had any problems 
dull lion
Yeah but same lol
old sphinx
I mean, it's already there and does pretty much nothing
harsh mason
windows defender works fine
old sphinx
Doesn't harm to let it lives its life 
harsh mason
its better than like 99% of antivirus
limpid ruin
Katie is completely right tho
broken sun
I just hate that I can't stop the automated file scan with a button press
limpid ruin
Good, bc the detection rate is usually 80%< false positives
If you're actually unsure drag n drop to virustotal or similar
haughty fossil
windows defender slander
harsh mason
detection rate of windows defender is like very close to 100%
haughty fossil
at least since windows 10 windows defender has been constantly kept updated and secured, it's really quite good at its job now tbh
don't know how good it was on windows 7 because i was 👶 when windows 7 was relevant
yes that's baby
blazing aspen
yea, how do you not have windows 7 knowledge
haughty fossil
yes that's baby
harsh mason
even i still use windows 7
haughty fossil
katie could your pc theoretically handle windows 10
harsh mason
yeah easy
blazing aspen
Yea same
harsh mason
i get like 400fps on hk, its not slow
thorn jasper
even i still ||work for a company whose main software product supports|| windows 7
harsh mason
i just also sometimes get 3fps randomly
leaden python
windows defender is actually one of the most useless antiviruses. Simply because it's so widespread
harsh mason
that doesn't really matter unless you're trying to get infected
99% of the shit you download will be old
if you're going on newmalware.com and running all the exes
leaden python
I mean wd is just dead weight
harsh mason
sure you deserve to have your pc bricked
ransomware is about the only thing it does do well on
and you can set up wd to 100% stop ransomware if you really want
thorn jasper
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hallow orchid
slash ban slaurent
neon island
slash unban slaurent
leaden python
yeah there are better and more reliable ways to fight ransomware than antiviruses
harsh mason
i run random af shit off the internet, and i only used WD and malwarebytes pro 
never had a virus, not even had a pup, or them trigger
leaden python
I run random af shit off the internet and use no av software
leaden python
there are three types of people:
- People who don't yet have backups
- People who already have backups
- People who have backups and regularly check that they are not corrupted
harsh mason
deserved for sharing a computer
"yet" implies ill ever have a backup
get a better password
thats not that random
set it to like e3022cb64d1e35f2cced2270
thorn jasper
there are three types of people:
1) People who don't yet have backups
2) People ...
PSA TO SPEEDRUNNERS. Store your splits files in a cloud backup service, like Dropbox. When you override them with some stupid nonsense, you will be able to easily revert to older versions
formal bough
setups secret spy camera to record you pressing the keys?
leaden python
he might've just looked over your shoulder while you was typing it
it's usually the simplest answer
haughty fossil
PSA TO SPEEDRUNNERS. Store your splits files in a cloud backup service, like Dro...
speedrunning discussion? in #speedrunning?
thorn jasper
speedrunning discussion? in <#283467985224466442>?
I was about to say, #sr-offtopic exists
haughty fossil
wait why would we use #sr-ducks for this
harsh mason
if your computer has a virus or a hacker stealing your password you cant post ducks
neon island
CapitalDColon
haughty fossil
oh i see, thanks katie
harsh mason
anyway hes definitely just looking over your shoulder and figuring out what you typed,
just set your password to something that can't be memorized or inferred from partial characters
formal bough
^Not sure if it was in 1.1 or not given that cp is my casual patch
digital jewel
anything before 1.2
thorn jasper
ur thinking of dung defender
jaunty anvil
ayyy nice
for a sec i was gnna b like “WHAT no “ n then i got the joke
i can’t sleep rn cuz im thinking of routing ideas for no spells
haughty fossil
current spelless% route seems pretty good, though there are slight improvements to geo routing to be made here and there
jaunty anvil
yeah
im thinking
overcharm fragile fury for watchers
but also i don’t know if i hate myself that much
jamie i am going to join u as a CP runner as my computer one day decided to give me freeze frames in 1221 🥴🥴🥴
oh shit that’s a good idea actually
wait a MIN
wait does it ?
nah
not if u take deepnest route
why’d u delete that mssg ,,....
ive only seen the spore THK thing once how much time does it save
yea
or overcharm
oh wait that eats time
ionic cargo
is sporeshroom really that useful?
jaunty anvil
i hate how overcharm takes like 5 seconds
i forgot that overcharm takes time like that
i think it might save on deepnest routes
ionic cargo
really, i'll try it later then
haughty fossil
it does 100 damage per spore shroom
jaunty anvil
this actually makes me wanna
haughty fossil
and ignores self stab
jaunty anvil
yeah busted
ionic cargo
and ignores self stab
thats cool
jaunty anvil
ive actually been so fuckn sad cuz my 1221 has been busted n this gives me a reason to maybe do anyCP now w/o being salty
ionic cargo
btw sorry if @ was on
haughty fossil
rando runners i believe
short spire
not sure, it's pretty hidden away there in the corner of fungal
i think it took a couple years until anyone stumbled upon it
haughty fossil
rando runners
jaunty anvil
IK SOM1 WOULD SAY THAT
haughty fossil
they're the only ones with enough game knowledge to find it
ionic cargo
not even team cherry could find it
haughty fossil
(people equip random charms for thk in rando, so inevitably somebody used spore shroom as a meme and realised it was doing really well)
short spire
yeah fun fact 106 is only called that because we hadn't yet found godhome
knotty vigil
I have a quick question about bench storage, is it possible current patch? and if so on console?
dusky ruin
yes and yes, easiest way is probably hazard early control off the spikes in king's station
knotty vigil
sorry if this sounds stupid but whats "hazard early control off the spikes" mean?
dusky ruin
inventory drop into the spikes, dash to the bench and interact. if you do that fast enough, you'll get bench storage
knotty vigil
ohh okay
thanks :D
Smol problem, whenever I hit the spikes I void out.
even if I have my inventory open while falling
haughty fossil
that is correct, you void out then get early control on the hazard respawn
immediately start dashing left and sit on the bench
broken sun
if you keep pressing left after using the bench, you will buttslide off of it
knotty vigil
ah okay
broken sun
bunch of other wonky stuff from the bench storage, but visually you will notice that first
broken sun
reequip charms while moving around. I'm not sure what other applications tbh as I'm pretty new to learning and I'm running NMG (aka I know the above because I'm trying to avoid doing it)
knotty vigil
ah okay
I just love glitches in general so I'm trying to expand my glitch knowledge
stray kestrel
are you able to downpatch or are you on console
knotty vigil
Im on console ;-; My computer cant handle many games [It can barely run minecraft at 10 fps lmao]
If anyone has any good console glitch resources I would love to do more research on them :D
haughty fossil
there aren't many since current patch removes/makes more difficult all of the cool ones, and console can't even do cp mms because no mouse
knotty vigil
yeah ;-;
yo what if you could somehow hook up a mouse, would it work or nah because you cant press esc to bring up the exit game menu?
stray kestrel
i do believe however you can run elegy% nmms on console
this is what flib did for it, you could probably reroute it a little bit to make it more optimal
haughty fossil
console version doesn't have a mouse unfortunately, pretty sure you can't click on the stored menu
hallow orchid
imagine suggesting nmms on console for elegy% instead of low% elegy
stray kestrel
because low% elegy is like kinda hard
knotty vigil
also is there any way to preserve bench storage in cp console?
dusky ruin
bench storage only goes away on quitouts or sitting on another bench and can't be preserved through either, but i feel like that's not what you're asking
ionic cargo
what can bench storage actually do?
knotty vigil
I was also wondering ^
dusky ruin
getting transition/inventory storage, out of bounds and unovercharm off the top of my head
knotty vigil
Out of bounds how? like where could this be useful and how to actually preform this?
sorry if Im asking too many questions, this is the only resource for this stuff I can find haha
stray kestrel
there really arent a ton of glitched resources around to be fair
dusky ruin
you can open or close inventory (with bench storage) while going through a transition to get oob. just know that if you open inventory and don't have a way to get control back (loading into a room, getting hit by an enemy, etc.) it will softlock you
worthy sluice
Pog
knotty vigil
Thanks so much for the help! i will be sure to test these
stray kestrel
a thing you will find with glitches is that there are many ways to softlock for seemingly no reason
knotty vigil
yes
crystal relic
Can you do true ending all glitches on ps4?
stray kestrel
if you fall out of bounds, the levels are inside a massive box so you can like climb up the walls with claw and cdash back if you need
knotty vigil
ohh pog
I still havent gotten oob yet but im working on it 
Glitches helped me get 112% on my file lmao
digital jewel
Can you do true ending all glitches on ps4?
no
stray kestrel
there are a bunch of videos in #resources and some in #any-percent about room duping that wont be helpful in the tech sense but they can help get a bit of a sense of what the outside of rooms can look like
crystal relic
I wanna discover a way to do main menu storage on ps4
So that we ps4 players have hope
any ideas?
ionic cargo
mms is impossible without a cursor right?
crystal relic
it'll require an external keyboard and mouse
ofc
but there's no "quit game?" menu
haughty fossil
afaik the cursor does not exist on ps4
crystal relic
wait what
haughty fossil
as in the game does not have a cursor and cannot accept cursor input while in normal gameplay
knotty vigil
hi, I want to get into hk speedrunning
haughty fossil
pins have a lot of details & guides on how to get started! 
crystal relic
as in the game does not have a cursor and cannot accept cursor input while in no...
Thanks Jamie
thorn jasper
i have many many questions about speedrunning, do I ask them here or
Yes here is the place to ask stuff
vague jolt
Is there a good place to learn how to do the setup for mantis pogo (after getting epogo)? On current patch
short spire
it should be the exact same as 1221
grizzled maple
mantis pogo is the same
last inlet
on the topic is 2 mantis any different with shaman stone (for te)?
since normally you upstrike to kill the mantis but it dies to one vengeful spirit with shamans on
heady yoke
I can't seem to get LiveSplit to recognize in-game time, trying to run a custom map with QoL mod on if that has any impact. Does anyone have any suggestions or ideas on how to fix this?
To clarify In-game time just always displays as 0.00 seconds
haughty fossil
do you have any autosplits set up
heady yoke
haven't set up any specific autosplits, I have the autosplitter and load remover program activated though
haughty fossil
you need at least one autosplit for it to function
you can set up an arbritrary one like mr mushroom location 7 for example
heady yoke
Awesome, I'll try it out, thank you!
distant plover
I was curious to know why console versions are in separate categories? Are there many changes between, like, PC and PS4? I couldn't find the info on speedrun.com 🙂
normal aspen
No load remover for one
worthy sluice
Anyone volunteer to kill me
I was trying to record a run for speedrun.com, screwed up bad twice in COT amd died 3 times in cyrstal peaks twice halfway thru at the 2 cycle rooms and once in the final room, i didnt wait long enough on the cycle and dashed into a lazer
And i was so pissed off at myself that i just stopped
I was about 15 or so minutes behind my pb at the time
Ive been trying to pb all week
Ducks?
Well i dont care for the ducks i want to you know, have people know im not just some guys who says hes getting an ok time
meager current
No ducks :shroompogn't:
worthy sluice
And i also want an ok time which right now
Isnt that great
Im still using baby strats cuz i cant get a hang of the meta strats
And my wk fight is 50% consistant
And 7% consistant without buffed nail
Cuz i suck
Weeeeellllllllll beg to differ
meager current
You can't suck while I exist becuase I'll always be worse
worthy sluice
Well considering you have a run verified and i dont
Its very hard to argue how you arent better than me
worthy sluice
58 minute runslothy
Thats over 10 minutes faster than my run
You still are 8 minutes faster
And some change
dull lion
you can stop worrying about being better than other people and just focus on your own time because none of us will ever be as good as Ax or Monstah
worthy sluice
Well ill believe in myself when im able to consistantly beat this game in under an hour and a half
meager current
I don't run any percent anymore
thorn jasper
Well ill believe in myself when im able to consistantly beat this game in under ...
how are you gonna get sub-1:30 if you don't believe in yourself?
worthy sluice
Well im doing a magical thing called school and im shooting myself in the arse for not doing school right now
So im not able to run consistantly
thorn jasper
oh yeah do your schoolwork definitely
worthy sluice
: (
Ill do another run..... Saturday and fail again and be pissed off at myself again
See yall then
knotty vigil
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/me93le3z still think this is pretty neat 👍
hearty adder
that thumbnail monkaS
nice time
if you want the speedrunner role, you should ask for it directly
hearty adder
Yeees
knotty vigil
dope
hearty adder
a lot of people don't wanna get the role right away (or at all, in some cases), so it's best if you mention wanting it so the mods know whether to give you the role or not
knotty vigil
i already asked for it so we good no worries 😉
true palm
just realized i have definitive proof that any% steel soul is a more optimal route than any%
still faster
just ignore the gap in placements or what world record is, dark deepnest is faster
neon island
Any% WR on Steel Soul when?
true palm
after low% grinding
stray kestrel
Any% WR on Steel Soul when?
with spore shroom?
neon island
Perhaps 👀
true palm
any% steel soul mr mushroom ending world record when?
frank cobalt
Can anyone think of a reason Blue Lake just... doesn't split for me?
digital jewel
do you have ordered splits on
digital jewel
that's why
twin swallow
do the thing
digital jewel
king's pass needs ordered as well
idk something about checking if you're coming from a certain loadzone
digital jewel
needs it
frank cobalt
digital jewel
someone brainy could probably explain why
true palm
probably spaghetti code on Team Cherrys part
limpid ruin
Oo, I actually figured out why: it's because the check used and supported by the current autosplitter uses two variables on transition for the splits: (current_)scene and next_scene. These two variables only match the conditions of that type of autosplit check for a short moment, so it's basically rng if it checks for those two while in the unordered list. I believe you might get lucky that it checks the exact correct split at the point where the TC code runs that code, but it seems practically impossible because of autosplitter non-ordered cycle almost being guaranteed to not check at the correct moment because of how it handles previously done splits to skip past 
So basically in short: jank meets jank, makes more jank 
haughty fossil
so the only reason transition autosplits currently work in ordered is because livesplit checks fast enough to catch it when it's there 
haughty fossil
jank? in my hollow knight speedruns?
hearty adder
we need delicious spaghetti for susteinance 🍝
jagged vault
Can anyone think of a reason Blue Lake just... doesn't split for me?
I’ve cursed you! You shall not pass my lake, rhinoceros feeder man!
grizzled maple
Do you think TC would be mad if I made an emote of holding 🍝
Our relationship is already held together by duct tape and pipe cleaners
Much like their game
hearty adder
Of course they know, they use people's runs as notes for future things to patch out
steady lynx
(Please look at Cyclone slash not breaking those support beam things then)
haughty fossil
no dw they specifically patched that out after noticing speedrunners were going too fast
(they tried to fix great slash hitting planks twice and inadvertently broke cyclone afaik)
true palm
tbh, kinda shocked they didnt change the shade spawn for salubras. they've changed rooms and transitions before
steady lynx
They should you know... put a shade spawn under Monomon
Just on top of the acid you either need cdash or Isma's to cross
true palm
i dont really think that would change anything, at the end of the day you still need claw for spire
good for randos
but other than that not a whole lot would change
and you need cheart for the fog canyon entrance
steady lynx
You can do it with wings
true palm
ye that would be a treat
like the ismas route was cool and all but i really dont see how even the detour to get nail 1 and shadeskipping for broken vessel would be any faster than just doing crystal peaks
steady lynx
It'd literally be mag route without mag skip
true palm
it'd be pretty swag though
digital jewel
you skip the entirety of saving sly, geo collection (including lemm), buying lantern, all of cpeaks and beast's den
true palm
oh wait i forgot wings
skipping beasts den
but you still have to go left side COT for nail one and go all they way down to basin, by the toll, die, do the shade shade skip, and climb out or you need to buy hidden station
like it makes sense with the Uumuu difference and everything
low bramble
did you bind kill self to mouse 1
true palm
i always just bound it to something else
low bramble
but i think you have to delete the registry
true palm
i think i have every arbitrary binding bound to like up arrow or something dumb
fair island
is there a way to directly unbind a hotkey?
You can open debug mod.global settings in save file location and delete the lines that you want to unbind
true palm
oh yah i guess you could just edit the lines, i only hear delete the entire thing
tired drum
Hey im fighting the AR, ive seen speed runners getting 4 nail swings in per jump on AR, could anyone explain the tech behined it?
clear olive
what kind of tech do you mean
as long as you dont upslash you should be fine
wait 4 per jump (so 8 total) or 4 including the wings jump
tired drum
with quick nail when speed runners jump, they are landing 4 hits it seems like some are side ways and some are maybe down so there is a method to keeping up and landing hits
Im not sure if they are double jumping actually ill take a look
Ahh thats it I think, they are landing 2 and then double jumping to land 2 more
Cheers boss
If anyone one has other tech for this fight id be down to learn it
fallen forum
part way through a run I died to some siblings, does what the game did next count as a major glitch? the game just threw me back into the carcass, and hornet just decided she didnt want to dig me again so i technically had to control an invisible character to dreamgate out
it doesnt like, matter a lot, cause a good chunk of this run went unrecorded, but its probably good to know in case it happens again
old obsidian
invis is a major glitch afaik
fallen forum
yea, im just not sure if it counts as beneficial
cause, probably?
i guess i would have to quit out and then dreamgate instead
or something
i have no idea how this game works when its not breaking, but i assume thats how thatd work
snow dome
It's unintentional, and you did wait for a moment to see if you were getting the cutscene which just never came.
I can't imagine anybody would declare resetting back to King's Brand from Lighthouse was beneficial, either.
old obsidian
But getting the early control where your knight is invis is invalidating your run
snow dome
"Unless unintentional and you gained no benefit"
old obsidian
ah well that's fair
devout wing
YESS PB!
devout wing
my qga skip was so bad
meager current
I might have to come back to any percent some time
Kinda burnt out on 4ms for now so I'll try it
jagged vault
part way through a run I died to some siblings, does what the game did next coun...
whoa, i've never seen that before
i wonder if you left too early the first time as well
cuz normally you would hardsave there
i've never seen a quitout that loads into the cast off shell before
haughty fossil
does optimal movement after early control get hardsaved?
snow dome
Did you dreamgate out the first time? I'm not sure on the cat so that might be obvious.
But if you never triggered the cutscene, then you see hornet going into Abyss, it could mess something up?
civic hamlet
do you need real time timer on livesplit as well, or just game time
okay, thank you
civic hamlet
another quick one, is there a solution to the cursor going to middle of screen everytime i pause, it messes up my quick quit out and file selection
civic hamlet
That's just a feature of Hollow Knight
Damn, alright, thanks for letting me know tho
snow dome
You get used to the timing of pressing down eventually
civic hamlet
I mean when I press pause the cursor snaps to the middle of the screen and if I don't move it I have to press down a bunch of times, especially when I'm trying to mash through the file selection screen, makes me end up selecting the second or third file