(do it fast before i get tempted to run spelless optimal route)
#speedrunning
haughty fossil
took me 3 minutes to kill the baldur having just come back, maybe i should come back to spelless after all 
haughty fossil
some days you win, other days you're a minute behind and haven't landed a single hit 
new modded IL btw 
onyx spade
'this stupid' - very correct
onyx spade
fair enough
haughty fossil
im now wondering how much is nail2 really worth
stark birch
you def want nail 2 or nail 1 + strength for uumuu 3 cycle
onyx spade
I think i'll go for nail 1 + fragile strength
stark birch
MMC en route to claw baybee
onyx spade
in my test run I got the hallownest seal left of lemm, not sure if you need it though
but I was doing lantern after watcher knights so I have a pretty different route
stark birch
especially in the universe where you have to get lantern through relics instead of a 20 minute farm grind, I'd rather just get strength while I'm there the first time; probably a universe where you like bench at hotsprings and grab strength just before uumuu
haughty fossil
nail2 route is pretty blessed imo, having cdash before wk is chef's kiss
oh yeah oops that route does change w/ longnail 🥴
ig i'm back to nail0 wk
onyx spade
nail 0 wk :monkaS:
I actually find wk easier without spells, casting fireball just messes with me
haughty fossil
do you think shrumals is worth even with any% claw routing quack? thinking for fury + longnail, but then swaps fury out for thk anyway...
stark birch
I think shrumals is worth either way because strength + spore shroom
but ymmv on a strengthn't route
onyx spade
yeah that's what I was using
stark birch
plus that also factored into my strength geo iirc, I'd have to go back and watch my run
haughty fossil
i'll go praccy nail0 wk for a bit and see if strengthn't nailsmithn't is anywhere close to reasonable
onyx spade
pretty sure the geo mattered, I watched your run this morning
haughty fossil
makes sense, that's an extra 100 geo iirc? add that to the 200 from mmc
where else did you get geo from?
stark birch
yeah iirc my exact specifics were something like farm to 1900 instead of 1850 at first + baldur + AS rocks + MMC + shrumals = 50 + 50 + 170 + 300 + 90 = 660 which plus incidental gpath geo gets you to the 685 for strength
oh I also got boomer rocks and a couple other rocks around gpath because I was also getting QS stag
it's a lot of geo, go figure, but after 20 minutes in crossroads still a breeze 
haughty fossil
incredible fight
ok so i just died to wk while thinking: what if we do herrah early so that we have spore shroom for wk
stark birch
I do that; it doesn't help that much
haughty fossil
yeah but you have nail1 strength
stark birch
maybe it's better if your nail is doing 5 yeah
haughty fossil
i think the fastest you can get this fight is basically this unfortunately
and there's not enough geo to get early lantern 
which does mean dark deepnest 
stark birch
aaaaaaaand i'm retiring from spelless, quatopine you seem lovely, if you wanna catch up w me I'll be over here running ghostbusters and/or nkg
stark birch
bop is free, sending you all my energy 
true palm
anybody know the cursed pogo coming from the stag station in crossroads where you scale up the left side?
i've heard of its existence and i want to know the setup
haughty fossil
what am i but consistent ig. nail0 wk is extremely cursed, do not recommend
nail1 for comparison
haughty fossil
this is for spelless. my any% wk is much better than 3:14 
serene coral
on 1.2.2.1, what's the keyboard bind for Cancel in menus? e.g., Confirm is bound to enter
runic apex
molten aurora
I think hornet 2 might be my favorite fight, god damn do I hate it though.
true palm
reference photo for cursed jump im asking about... heard it was in the magalor video
serene coral
Escape just closes the menu
looking for the button that will go back in the menu instead
true palm
looking for the button that will go back in the menu instead
isnt that focus cast
molten aurora
hOh I agree, but that makes it so satisfying when you nail it. Which I still can't do yet lmao
serene coral
my focus cast bind is not doing anything in menus
that's what it is on gamepad, though
true palm
dont know if there is one then
serene coral
uhhh, there must be, right
primal grail
true palm
we just talked about that, hes on keyboard, and focus cast doesnt work
dawn adder
how do i get livesplit to auto stop during loads and/or auto split and/or auto start/end?
this is what it's saying is being used but nothing different happens
i ahve not because i was scared and confused but ill try now
fair island
how do i get livesplit to auto stop during loads and/or auto split and/or auto s...
stop during loads -> right click on live split -> compare against -> game time
dawn adder
wOW i thought it was just a blank menu i'm new to livesplit
omg i can make a split for every grub i love this
and to make it auto start do i make an auto split for kings pass?
o maybe my lame not auto splits were messing with it before
haughty fossil
there needs to be at least one autosplit in there for it to be active
otherwise it starts on game start and ends on game end
dawn adder
last question i promise:
autosplits correspond to the normal split which is in the same position as itself, right? or did i just do something wrong which is why theyre invisible
haughty fossil
you need a set of normal splits and a set of autosplits
each autosplit acts as a trigger that basically just presses NUMPAD1 (or equivalent) for you
dawn adder
oki thank you see you in 9 hours when i finish or give up trying my first run
haughty fossil
the actual splits are what show up on the layout
molten aurora
Question about submitting my first run, is there a certain time I should aim for for before submitting, because I already know I'll have have many deaths in my first runs.
Alright cool, I guess I'll practice for a few days, cry at ismas skip for a few more days, then submit a run 🙂
dapper cove
I'm gunna keep practicing wk since I'm completely new to speedrunning hk in general and I don't have a working controller atm lmao
I mess up my inputs so often it's insane
I know... it's just not what I'm used to lmao
I played hk for two years with controller and now I have to play keyboard
Fine motor movements aren't my strongsuit so getting used to semi-quick-time things is gunna take a while
i have naturally shaky hands so sometimes i'll accidentally press a key which can ruin an entire boss fight
or run
molten aurora
I wish I had that excuse, I'm just bad 🙂
dawn adder
it's beautiful
dapper cove
I'm also just bad
dawn adder
rat pfp + rat badge = amazing
dapper cove
I had my one bragging moment with friends when I accidentally started lost kin fight not knowing it was a boss fight (my first dream variant boss) and beat it first try
other than that i'm mediocre at basically all games but with practice i know i'll get better
just gotta get not last for my first run
that's my only goal
and last place is just about 5 hours
any% nmg
dawn adder
how do i get time with loads to show up
dapper cove
i saw cat the first time and got confused sorry
didn't realise you meant category
1221
dawn adder
oh i can just measure the video length im stupid ignore me
dapper cove
i did cp on console for a while and always tripped up around wk
and when i was going for the achievement it was always ddark that killed me
I have one with real time and one with game time
I need to work on naming my splits though
they're kinda weird and one is literally just called "kill the pregnant fly"
roly polies from hell
that's another one
i gotta get my coding homework started/finished i'll stop by when i'm done if it isn't too late
it's kinda 3:30am rn so
molten aurora
I'm curious why all skills is considered a better newbie category than any % nmg, the hardest parts of any % seems to be watcher knights and and QGA, wouldn't that be about the same difficulty as hornet 2 and ismas skips? And 15-20 mins shorter.
I haven't tried any % mind you, so I could be totally wrong.
Hmmmm, so never swap to any %, noted 🙂
molten aurora
Disregarding difficulty, I think I enjoy all skills more than I would any %, maybe because I've seen the any % route dozens of times and I've never really seen all skills.
stiff delta
Thats fair
If you’re ever starved of all skills content theres a tournament going on right now for it
dapper cove
i can confirm any% is fun
albeit a pain to learn
i somehow keep messing up my debug mod to where the level generation gets completely destroyed so I have to basically create a new save file whenever I want to run wk again
molten aurora
I really do need to watch some all skills, it'll help me pick up on things I might otherwise miss.
I keep accidentally giving myself 0 nail damage, so I feel you.
stiff delta
You can set dreamgate data to different key points in the map if you want a fast way to switch over to fights
For example i have one set at WK, uumuu, qga, and cpeaks
dapper cove
my point is more when resetting the boss data (making it to where the boss respawns) somehow the entire level goes haywire
most of the time it just spawns in a bunch of their nails and breaks the terrain
how
i only got debug mod today
and started speedrun attempts like a day or two ago
jaunty anvil
hit f1 2 get le menu up
then on the map buttons to fkn
the lil box that let's u assign shortcuts 2 all the debug things
map smthn to save and load state :)
i use ; and '
dapper cove
ok
i normally try to use keys I won't accidentally press
like my page up and page down keys
home and end
that jazz
tawny coral
so i downpatched hollow knight properly and it works perfectly, except that it wont register my controller
how should i fix this? pro controller btw
snow dome
When you downpatch it is possible to open the game without opening steam, it is very possible you did this.
(It's also possible without down patching, but having separate installs is how I found out.)
snow dome
so i downpatched hollow knight properly and it works perfectly, except that it w...
Old versions of hollow knight don't have support for switch Pro controllers. You'll need to download a program like xmapper to assign your controller buttons to keyboard buttons.
snow dome
xpadder right?
Possibly. I've never used it myself, so could've got the name wrong.
The best performance is getting your Dream No More achievement. 😭
tawny coral
thats just the first thing that came up and it says it does that
snow dome
Especially when it's on stream
I beat 112% on stream at the beginning of this year for the first time but wasn't logged into steam so got no achievements.
The "best performance" includes the one that has the outcome you want.
haughty fossil
any SAM 
snow dome
Yes
snow dome
Unlikely to be useful in a run because you just go straight over it, but yeah.
haughty fossil
this could be used for the ultimate underplat technique though
snow dome
Shame there's a bunch of stuff like this that has no use
onyx spade
completed my first spelless run! wr by 8 seconds lol
jagged vault
haughty fossil
longnail route cracked yltsi
onyx spade
my baldur kill took 9 mins notlikethis
my best is 3 in a half minutes
so 5 mins of free time save basically
haughty fossil
that's a mood
onyx spade
sub 1 hour is easy
haughty fossil
w/ good any% execution I could see competition for sub 50 tbh
onyx spade
I got impossible jump in this run so it's good in my books
here's how my better run died
kind flume
Spelless looks fun (except maybe baldur kill..). What route are you using?
onyx spade
yeah it's pretty fun apart from baldur kill
haughty fossil
baldur kill the best part 
onyx spade
idk if my route is good but I was getting fury then longnail then killing the baldur, after cloak I bought fragile strength from legeater (requires some geo farming). rest is like any%, except I get nail 1 before watchers, and get spore shroom after uumuu
kind flume
I knew you'd say that Jamie ;)
If you're going back to King's station after wks anyway, you could wait with gorgeous husk until after nail 1
haughty fossil
i believe that's what me and quack were talking about in #misc-runs-nmg
onyx spade
I was killing gorgeous husk for geo for nail upgrade
since I have basically 0 geo going into city
haughty fossil
nail1 should come from preselling relics
onyx spade
hmm
haughty fossil
then you skip the lemm trip after spire
onyx spade
I was thinking I should sell relics to lemm before wk
but I would have been short on geo for lantern in the run that I did
kind flume
So sell relics -> nail -> WK -> ghusk -> Kings Station?
haughty fossil
i'm in school rn but i'll sit down and fully geo route this at some point today, including the farm for longnail
sounds right glov
onyx spade
I think I've worked out the farm for longnail, fragile strength is a different story though
haughty fossil
handwavey but this is what quack said and he's run strength route: #misc-runs-nmg message
onyx spade
interesting, I was benching at queen's station then staging to crossroads after getting claw
but this route seems better
true palm
so steam arbitrarily decided to update my 1221 install for no reason, anyone got a solution to prevent this from happening
theres not a single option to disable updates that i see
haughty fossil
spending 140 geo when you're already struggling for strength geo seems unoptimal
haughty fossil
so steam arbitrarily decided to update my 1221 install for no reason, anyone got...
steam should not be able to update a game added as a non-steam game 
did you remove/rename/edit steam_appid.txt?
kind flume
Davequit there from dash and claw
And from long nail purchase actually
haughty fossil
hot springs is too out of the way
haughty fossil
route benches at gp stag to warp out of hornet 1, then goes down to mmc
or waterfall bench actaually
which is comfier because then you can unovercharm
onyx spade
wait is waterfall bench faster?
haughty fossil
could be, it is closer to stone sanctuary exit if you have dash
onyx spade
yeah I was benching there to unovercharm
true palm
steam should not be able to update a game added as a non-steam game <:palehmm:59...
i have to rename my hollow knights to make them default installs for generic gamepad support
ie 1221 becomes my main install whenever i play
molten aurora
I finally 1 cycled uumuu after like an hour of not knowing what I was doing wrong.
Turns out, I still have no idea what I'm doing wrong lmao.
snow dome
Me, except I haven't ever 1-cycled Uumuu.
molten aurora
I just back dashed ?
Like was facing forward, pressed dash, dashed in the opposite direction I was facing, and my character never turned around during the dash either.
digital jewel
This isn't the place kairo
You can go talk about a streamer in their own chat and community server
onyx spade
who do I ask to get the blue speedrunner role? I have a verified run here https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/mr40qxdz
kind flume
Yeah you just ask here, the mods are usually quite quick :D
gritty remnant
This isn't the place kairo
Oh ok sry
onyx spade
ty for whoever gave me the blue role 🙂
haughty fossil
xero conveniently got ping replied right after you asked
onyx spade
nz represent
normal aspen
How fitting, just below australia
onyx spade
lmao
molten aurora
I found a slightly easier 1 cycle uumuu setup, and I can get it like 50% of the time, now I'm not sure If I'm just bad, or if my setup is inconsistent.
Although, 50% of the time is better than once/hour
short spire
1cycle uumuu with what gear
molten aurora
shade soul, shaman stone
molten aurora
I don't, but I can very easily explain it, there's like 1.5 differences.
Assuming the normal way is what's done in Pisces video.
digital jewel
Ok
molten aurora
I lure uumuu VERY slightly more to the right, and when he's vulnerable, rather than dropping off the platform and using shade soul twice, I just stand on top of the platform and shade soul.
jagged vault
so you lure uumuu higher?
jagged vault
oh, hitting the very top
molten aurora
But it seems the second soul, doesn't always double hit.h
jagged vault
that might be a bit more inconsistent since it depends on uumuu isn't always that high, and you're not far left enough to consistantly double hit the second fireball
but if it works better for you, that's great!
i'd recommend learning both though, so you can adapt if uumuu is mispositioned for your setup
digital jewel
What problem were you having with the regular setup
molten aurora
I don't know if it was my timing, or what, how tight the window is, but I just couldn't hit it.
It is just me being bad, I've practiced uumuu for a couple hours at this point.
digital jewel
Yeah what part was failing is what I mean
molten aurora
Either my fireballs weren't double hitting or, my last fireball was too slow and wouldn't hit at all, or a combination of both.
Let me try normal strat again now that I'm more comfortable and see how I go.
digital jewel
OK so try to pay attention to which of the fireballs doesn't double hit because that changes the advice a lot
You could be rushing things or going too slow
molten aurora
The very last fireball missed it's double hit, I think I was just a little too slow.
It's either the last fireball misses the double hit, or he goes totally into the wall before I get my 4th nail hit.
I think I'm just being too slow.
digital jewel
Sounds like it
molten aurora
I just need to practice it, I've only been practicing a couple hours.
Although I got a feel for hornet 2 quicker than uumuu ... maybe I'm just destined for 2 cycle uumuus
digital jewel
it does make it way way easier to give advice if you can send a video
hornet is about reacting and playing to her rng. uumuu is just a setup. which means it can be frustrating but once you get it, you'll be most of the way to getting it consistent
molten aurora
What would be the best way to send a video?
digital jewel
send the file here or upload it to youtube unlisted and link it
molten aurora
I'm assuming discord won't let me send a video that big, guess it's time to figure out youtube 🙂
digital jewel
8MB max
molten aurora
You'll have to give me a bit, my internet is apparently going to take 15 mins to download the obs installer lmao.
digital jewel
hmm
molten aurora
Haha, perks of living in Australia AND having 5 roommates
harsh mason
not on this server, its 100mb
molten aurora
Well, as I was recording it, I actually hit the one cycle, I'll post that and you let me know if everything seemed okay.
Just give it a few years to upload.
h
frigid rapids
you cancel your last nail hit too fast
it makes the 1 cycle inconsistent
just delay the shade soul a little bit more and you should be good
molten aurora
Alright, I'll give that a try.
frigid rapids
also i would advice you to just fall off the platform to start the damage rotation instead of jumping. The problem of jumping is that you have a greater fall speed by the time you have to shade soul uumuu, so i personally feel like it's harder to time the shade soul appropriately.
In the clip you sent, you fireballed from a rather low place, which is not a problem for the first double, but then when you try to reach the platform you bonk and need to double jump. As you're gonna delay your 3rd shade soul after the last nail hit, this minor timeloss might cost you the cycle because there's a possibility Uumuu becomes invulnerable before the last fireball doubles
but then if you do your 4 nail hits too soon in the damage cycle, the last one doesn't push Uumuu oob and you can't double the first one 😬
Uumuu 1 cycle is such a fragile equilibrium
molten aurora
Okay, that all makes a lot of sense, probably a lot easier said than done, but at least I know what I need to work on now.
digital jewel
what I tend to do is cut my initial shade souls as close as I can so I'm high enough up to just dash the platform. then I can hit 3 times and then wait on the 4th for uumuu to be far enough into the wall
molten aurora
I'm still unsure of the timing when uumuu becomes vulnerable, so I kinda just guess when I jump down.
Figuring that out is probably priority 1.
frigid rapids
what i do is wait on the ledge of the platform, start walking left when i see quirrel showing up next to Uumuu, then shade soul uumuu when i'm right below the platform
molten aurora
Alright, that should help. If I can just get that timing down, I won't feel as rushed and can work on getting the other pieces together.
Is there a better way to upload videos that what I just did btw?
frigid rapids
if you could record them in mp4, that would be perfect
because discord embeds mp4 but not mkv
so more people are likely to watch
molten aurora
Ah okay, I assume I can just change that in obs somewhere.
frigid rapids
yes it's in the settings
molten aurora
Okay, that took me way longer than it should have, even though they're mp4 they're stilling showing the VLC cone icon, so I didn't think they'd changed, because I can't read lmao.
This is how I've been doing uumuu with relative consistency, but I don't think it's as consistent as the normal way. But it is a lot easier.
clear olive
can my blue name go away
harsh mason
yes
clear olive
to be clear, that was intended as a request
snow dome
This is how I've been doing uumuu with relative consistency, but I don't think i...
This is what I go for but never get.
I panic on the pogo moment thinking I'm going to do it wrong, then do it wrong.
molten aurora
I panic on the pogo moment thinking I'm going to do it wrong, then do it wrong.
Hahaha, yeah, I get that feeling pretty much every time too. With pretty much every trick in the game.
quiet saddle
Uumuu with upgraded VS and wings; must be nice 😅
thorn jasper
all skills 
thin garnet
How do i 3 cycle uumuu with shaman stone
open swan
how do i do blue lake skip
thorn jasper
watch the section of fireb0rn's any% tutorial for the fight. it teaches you a set up that is able to 2-cycle. if you miss that 2-cycle, then 3-cycle is obtainable
open swan
with shade
thorn jasper
take an intentional death to the right of the background houses
open swan
ik but do i have to use fireball?
thorn jasper
then lure the shade up there. watch a tutorial for more details
you only need fireball stall if you don't have mantis claw
thin garnet
@open swan thats an extremely hard skip if you are doing without mantis claw or cloak
shut beacon
on the topic of ummu is current patch different
true palm
very
open swan
<@758489401117900842> thats an extremely hard skip if you are doing without mant...
does it save time to skip hornet one?
shut beacon
what about it
thin garnet
@thorn jasper thanks btw but does it work for current patch
thorn jasper
does it save time to skip hornet one?
no; get your dash
open swan
and then access mantis claw through queens station?
thin garnet
does it save time to skip hornet one?
No because cloak is better time save but if you were doing low percent then you wouldnt even have cloak
thorn jasper
<@!422061714687787020> thanks btw but does it work for current patch
uumuu current patch is different; I'm not good enough to answer. there's an any% current patch guide on the src guides I think video below V
true palm
on the topic of ummu is current patch different
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Chh_BuLfdVI check out this guide, it talks about the differences
shut beacon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Chh_BuLfdVI check out this guide, it talks about...
thanks
true palm
the main issue with that guide is if Uumuu extra attacks you're kinda screwed
true palm
but it covers all the differences
thorn jasper
for all skills 1221?
open swan
for all skills 1221?
no i just cannot do it
thorn jasper
If you're asking how best to get lantern, I need to know what category you're running
open swan
any%
hearty adder
Follow the any% route to get relics, sell them to Lemm and buy lantern
true palm
dark deepnest is only in low% and any% steel soul
open swan
ok
true palm
shade skip is super easy
tepid osprey
any% already gets lantern yea
open swan
i watched the stream
thorn jasper
yeah, the route gets money for lantern
shut beacon
i watched the stream
no he has a tutorial serier=s
open swan
fastest way to herrah is queens gardens
open swan
no he has a tutorial serier=s
oh ok
thorn jasper
fastest way to herrah is queens gardens
correct
thin garnet
I suck at this game because my pb is trash tier
hearty adder
I recommend you check the pins, both here and over at #any-percent-nmg
true palm
check this playlist out
thorn jasper
I suck at this game because my pb is trash tier
me: I suck at this game and my pb is trash tier
true palm
covers route, skips, backups, beginner strats, etc.
thin garnet
me: I suck at this game _and_ my pb is trash tier <:feelspkman:63963644282116505...
Litteraly tho i died to uumuu like for real who dies to uumuu
true palm
me
shut beacon
Litteraly tho i died to uumuu like for real who dies to uumuu
me
thorn jasper
Litteraly tho i died to uumuu like for real who dies to uumuu
lots of people
shut beacon
every time lol
thin garnet
Oh really
true palm
ye uumuu sucks ass ngl
thorn jasper
uumuu is mostly rng
open swan
I suck at this game because my pb is trash tier
pb?
?
thin garnet
Oh you wanna know my pb
shut beacon
personal best
thin garnet
Im not gonna say
open swan
it ok
thin garnet
You know what keep in mind i just started trying to speedrun nmg any percent
thorn jasper
frame your pb in terms of "how much time save you get to enjoy getting on your way to world record"
then it's a positive thing!
thin garnet
Ah then that seems better to think about
shut beacon
yeh i try not to compare myself to other peoples pb
thorn jasper
six months ago I had 20 minutes of enjoyment! now I only have 5 minutes 😦
(for all skills)
thorn jasper
six months ago I had 20 minutes of enjoyment! now I only have 5 minutes 😦
of course, lots of us have the opposite mindset
thorn jasper
is all skills good ?
all skills is lots of fun! I enjoy improving my movement instead of my boss fights, and that pays off in all skills
all skills has more bosses total, but it has more damage output to deal with them. in particular the watcher knight fight is like an order of magnitude less hard
shut beacon
yeh i can imagine , i forgot to say but i also tried tru ending and watchers are easyy in that and i only had shade soule
thin garnet
Does the one shot elder baulder still work in current patch
shut beacon
Does the one shot elder baulder still work in current patch
nope
true palm
nope, just collect more soul in the elevator shaft
thin garnet
Dang and here i am trying every time
I watched like one video on a speedrun route and then my brain said capacity at maximum:making new space
shut beacon
and wasted soul every time
i say every time like ive done loads of runs lol
true palm
all skills is lots of fun! I enjoy improving my movement instead of my boss figh...
hornet 2 still has a lot of skill expression, but the movement is nice
thorn jasper
yeah hornet 2 is like the any% wk of all skills. but even then I personally find all skills hornet 2 much easier than any% watcher knights
(in the sense that it's the boss that provides a roadblock to many)
shut beacon
i find hornet 2 a really fun fight
true palm
hornet 2 is easier, but theres a lot of depth to the fight still for timesave
shut beacon
what skills do u have by hornet 2?
thorn jasper
shade soul and descending dark, along with most movement. obviously we can't have shade cloak because that's gated by king's brand
thin garnet
Is skipping false knight worth it in a run
shut beacon
Is skipping false knight worth it in a run
depends on the catogory
hearty adder
Depends on the cat
shut beacon
any% yes
thin garnet
Any percent nmg
shut beacon
tru ending no
thin garnet
Oh ok
hearty adder
Any% skips False Knight
thorn jasper
any% skips it, yeah. we don't need city crest nor the geo
(there is faster geo elsewhere)
hearty adder
You get money from Baldurs+Moss Knight+Vengefly King+Gorgeous Husk+Relics+WK Chest
thin garnet
Ok
true palm
you get watcher knights seal, the seal in kings station, and a journal in upper COT by the elevator
thorn jasper
if you're asking about fk, that probably means you haven't studied the full route. I would recommend checking pins here and #any-percent-nmg , or at least watching a top run or two
true palm
top runs only take a half hour to watch, if times an issue
thin garnet
I know
thin garnet
Can i c dash to queens garden on current patch nintendo switch
snow dome
Yes
jagged rock
Hey, quick question, I was checking the any% nmg guide on speedrun.com, using this map: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/290932216781864960/433277101487947776/anynmg_route.png
I was wondering when one usually upgrades to Nail 1 using this route, since the guide also talks about going Nail 0 as an "alternative", more dangerous route
Hopefully before Watcher Knights 
haughty fossil
this route doesn't show it? damn
jagged rock
The route also shows an optional Wanderer's Journal to get if you want to get Nail 1 but doesn't end up showing a route to nailsmith
snow dome
On the way up to watchers, when you first open the lever, you can grab the bench, head left over the top, then drop to lemm
haughty fossil
you go to lemm early after benching in watcher's spire, pick up the seal in the large left side city room, sell to lemm and then upgrade to nail1, then quit out to the bench
tami on my screen i was first 😤
haughty fossil
impartial third party?
jagged rock
The left side city seal is to replace the one on top of the Spire so I only have to go to Lemm once, right?
digital jewel
yes
jagged rock
Gotcha, thanks!
pine shore
So I was gonna Start my 1.2.2.1 game, however now steam wants to update?
pine shore
well yes but it wants to update the game
digital jewel
do you have 2 different installs?
pine shore
yes i did it with the tutorial over on speedrun.com and it has worked before
thorn jasper
oh yeah, if you replaced your default install path with the 1.2.2.1, it will do that probably. we recommend having the 1.2.2.1 install elsewhere
thorn jasper
also don't opt into the public beta
pine shore
sorry for botherring, opening over steam acutally worked
digital jewel
ok so if you have 1.2.2.1 separately then what's the issue with the game updating
pine shore
Does the Debug modded game folder be in my steamapps/common folder?
haughty fossil
no it does not have to be in the same place as your normal game install
pine shore
okay thanks
dapper cove
man i wanna get out of class so i can keep practicing speedrun strats
namely practice fighting wk
i've found more of fire's tutorials so i'm combing over those now too
thorn jasper
do your class work first, speedrun second. stay in school etc etc
haughty fossil
i don't recommend it, but there is a pretty difficult trick called School Skip that was discovered in early 2020
thorn jasper
that skip usually ends up softlocking your life though
harsh mason
the school skip strategy sucks its only good for any%
and we already have way better any% strategies
hearty adder
Reset school for good teacher rng
dapper cove
do your class work first, speedrun second. stay in school etc etc
i stayed up until 5 or 6 am last night doing a coding assignment dw
i've completely destroyed my sleep schedule
i've gotten i think 6 hours of sleep in the past like 60 hours i think
so now i want to wake up at at least 1pm
and midnight feels like early evening
doesn't mesh well with being on college and your access to food being dictated by the schedule of the dining hall
makes for a good low% speedrun though
skip the sleep and food
go straight for the grades
in classes where attendance is optional, do the attendance skip
thin garnet
Im a bit stumped on the queens garden acid skip and just for reference i use current patch nintendo switch with joycons
Nevermind i just did it for my first time
dull lion
QGA is really really hard. I honestly wouldn’t recommend worrying about it until the 30 seconds it saves is that necessary
thin garnet
Wait what is the slower route
dull lion
And I’m a “go for everything till it works” kinda speedrunner
Deepnest route
Go through queens station into lower fungal wastes and through light deepnest. Optimally it only loses like 30 sec to QGA I think
dull lion
No you want to go past the breakable wall above spore shroom
plush light
Can speedrun dot com guys have any problems if they hear my lessons going on in the background?
thin garnet
Ah ok
dull lion
To where the floor breaks and you fall
true palm
if game audio is audible it doesnt matter
assuming that everything is an appropriate audio level so that way you dont pierce any eardrums
plush light
Oh that won't be a problem
Has anyone ever done fury radiance in a speedrun?
PoH speedrun
dull lion
Entering absrad heals you so it’s not that worth to instant tank all that damage I think
hallow orchid
there are p5 runs, and they do use fury yes
dull lion
But fury is used for the rest yeah
true palm
check out the level leaderboard for pantheon runs
tepid schooner
who do I ask to get the blue speedrunner role? https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/yd9ndp0z
ionic sparrow
got you
tepid schooner
thank you
dull lion
That’s like a really good 112 time
thorn jasper
ikr? spearr was laying low (from my point of view) and then debuts out of nowhere with a top 10 112% time
thorn jasper
that is good. like, tc was all "5h for speedrun". and here you are with less than 2
thin garnet
But i was trying to aim for 1:30:00
thorn jasper
but feeling like you're bad is a sign that you recognize areas of improvement!
are you following a route?
thin garnet
Um im kinda just going based off the one time i watched the fireb0rn tutorial but then i realised i needed a route for current patch because i play on switch
low bramble
current patch route is very similar, jamie has a great slideshow with some of the differences
thin garnet
I think i know the route i need to take but now its just about my performance
Because instead of being smart and practicing queens acid skip i decided to just go for it and wasted some time
Without practice so i did bad there
Then at watcher knights i died
And at uumuu i had to 4 cycle instead of 3
I made a bunch of mistakes
ionic cargo
tbh a lot of speedrunning is just practising and repitition, you will learn if you keep trying
thin garnet
Yeah thats what im gonna do
Whats the normal percentage for any percent nmg
And yes this picture is very bad
Because i got this percent
last inlet
we normally end with 16%
thin garnet
I know i grabed soul catcher which is +1 percent
thin garnet
Ohhhh yeah i did upgrade my nail
formal slate
Always fun to find this stuff accidentally.
ornate copper
Ok so 5h speedrun, I'm going to gruz mother rn, got desolate dive, 1 hour 11 minutes
Is that good?
thorn jasper
?srpsa
sick ravenBOT
Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602
ornate copper
Watcher Knights aren't on the list yet + they'd murder me i got 5 masks only
Bruh i was in #hk-help and a guy told me to come here... I'm not asking for the guide
short spire
well sorry but that guy was wrong, this channel isn't intended for achievement help
thin garnet
Oh ok so yes you are on pace for 5 hour
short spire
good luck though with the sub 5
ornate copper
But i am doing good for 5h right
short spire
yup you're killing it
ornate copper
Thanks lol
thin garnet
@ornate copper sorry i thought you meant for speedrunning
I didnt know you just wanted the achievement
honest folio
hey, does anyone happen to have a 4 mask shards .lss file?
twin swallow
@honest folio i got you
1432 but the route is the same for 1221
swap dirtmouth for kp if you prefer that
honest folio
thanks!
dapper cove
do y'all have good tips on just practicing using the keyboard controls besides just running through the game?
plush light
beating godmaster
dapper cove
i'm having trouble with the motor skills which is messing with my inputs on speedruns
twin swallow
is there an autosplitter for p5?
if you mean specifically for beating absolute radiance, the timer will end on its own
plush light
i mean for the whole p5
dapper cove
like is there a certain section that is good to run if you want practice with the controls
haughty fossil
i mean for the whole p5
the timer will end on its own
plush light
no. just play a lot of hard fights
dapper cove
bc i feel like just running through peaks would be a good place to practice
plush light
well maybe
haughty fossil
i think ins0mnia did a fair bit of rando when he was relearning kb
plush light
but if u want to get good input reaction etc etc just play a lot
twin swallow
if you want splits for every boss, best to use the ones from the 112 splits https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/resources
dapper cove
i've never tried rando but it might prove helpful idk
i played controller for years so i'm very used to that plus i have very shaky and twitchy hands so sometimes i accidentally press keys and i need to learn to rebound from that fast
haughty fossil
it's a good way to practice precise skips, general movement all while not feeling like you're doing monotonous stuff
dapper cove
bc a lot of times i'll end up dashing into enemies
haughty fossil
out of curiosity, is there a particular reason you're switching to kb?
dapper cove
controller doesn't work with my pc currently
i played console for two years
only recently switched to pc and my controller isn't the greatest in terms of compatability
haughty fossil
there's always a way somehow i'd recommend trying joytokey if you haven't, seems to work w/ everything
dapper cove
it's more that i don't have batteries or an easy way to get them i think
haughty fossil
but if you really want to you can relearn kb, i know i was considering it when my controller refused to work
haughty fossil
can't you plug the controller straight into the pc?
haughty fossil
or buy a longer cord
dapper cove
bc of where my pc is in relation to everything
i'd rather just get rechargeable batteries or something like that just bc it's more versatile
having AA batteries on hand imo is more useful than a longer version of a cord you already have
haughty fossil
wireless controller kinda 
unless it's a ds4, where they deliberately slowed down wired according to TGH
dapper cove
it's an xbox one controller
haughty fossil
i have an xbox series con but can't imagine using it wireless tbh, the input delay over bluetooth kind of sucked the soul out of me
dapper cove
i need to run to the dining hall and get food before my mom inevitably calls me about a question i had last night
i'll stop by the store on my way back
plush light
so i found the autosplit option in liesplit
and added every single split in the options
one by one
but there is no absrad
tight tundra
can I have the speedrunner position?
plush light
and i dont know how to make those splits my splits
twin swallow
jamie and I both said already, the timer will end automatically when you get an ending
last inlet
it'll end automatically on p5 ending
tight tundra
can I have the speedrunner position?
?
plush light
so how do i actually use the autosplit
twin swallow
can I have the speedrunner position?
If you have a verified run on SRC, and you link it here, and a mod approves you, yes
tight tundra
.
tepid osprey
.
Needs to be a video-recorded run submitted and verified on speedrun.com
tight tundra
You dont have to be afraid to ping the speesrun mods lol
as well? it's not my fault that I play well ,_,
tight tundra
Needs to be a video-recorded run submitted and verified on speedrun.com
thanks
limpid ruin
How to LiveSplit & Autosplit for Newbies:
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/cg9vl
this part from the pins is super helpful :3
plush light
ohhh i think i get it now
what the fuck is wrong with livesplit
i exited the app and it deleted all my splits
i spent like 20 minutes doing em all
hearty adder
If you saved them, have you tried right clicking and going to Open splits?
Also, depending on the category you're running, you can get the splits file directly from other people here
plush light
oh i would be super thankful for split files, im running p5
twin swallow
if nobody has a p5 splits file handy, you can use the 112 APB splits file from #speedrunning message I linked before, and just delete everything before P5
short spire
not sure if accident or troll
either way pls do not post random unrelated images here @restive pelican
plush light
if nobody has a p5 splits file handy, you can use the 112 APB splits file from h...
thanks dude
grizzled maple
Did anyone give you one?
hallow orchid
Do p5 il runs have zote?
grizzled maple
yes
hallow orchid
Ok cool wasn't sure
dusk tide
I've been trying to do my first speedrun but can't get the queen's garden skip, anyone got any tips?
plush light
Did anyone give you one?
thanks, once again
also your guide carried me through speedrun 2 ❤️
old obsidian
I've been trying to do my first speedrun but can't get the queen's garden skip, ...
try to line your knight up so that his eye is right above the acid
plush light
aaand now i have to get used to no steady body again. heck
old obsidian
try practising dash jumps into walls into immediate cdash beforehand as well since the timing is very important for the trick to work
after you're good with that try to get muscle memory for the dash so that his eye is just barely above the acid
dusk tide
I've gotten the 1st half by luck twice, but then I fail the 2nd half
plush light
I hope vengefly kings die in a high speed car crash
verbal junco
i have officially beaten the game faster than i got out of left city (i used to get dive) in my first speedrun attempt
half my thk split was me freaking out because i lost all my geos in den because i didnt know where my shade was and had to farm devouts 
dapper cove
rip
thorn jasper
12 minute pb incoming 👀
plush light
i need tips for not losing sanity over speedrunning p5
verbal junco
i need tips for not losing sanity over speedrunning p5
speedrun something else 
dusk portal
i need tips for not losing sanity over speedrunning p5
I think losing sanity and common sense is the strat for P5 Speedrun
You need to be into P5 to be able to do such things, takes a lot of training
Tried speedrunning P5 once, I don't want to try again
pure vault
haughty fossil
watch out, might come sooner than you think at this rate 👀
plush light
You need to be into P5 to be able to do such things, takes a lot of training
I have WM I'm just a bit rusty
And void idol
plush light
Getting there
Also that's godlike
But yeah after 73 tries I can't get past soul warrior kill me
Gorb is a dick
ok I got to oromato
verbal junco
holy shit guys 
i could still save even more time (i fucked up xroads a bit and i dont do qga or epogo, and i had a couple movement slip ups, not to mention dying twice to uumuu and 4 times to thk)
thorn jasper
12 minute pb incoming 👀
I was right and then some. gg!
dapper cove
What methods do y’all use to practice boss fights?
Do you just do the fight over and over or do you do a difficult scaling method
dapper cove
Like for wk I’m trying out buffing myself then slowly removing the buffs
Eventually attempting lower than what I’d have at that point in the run
true palm
debug mod, if you cant use debug mod alt f-4 after killing them, and i always start with the equipment im going to be using
verbal junco
Like for wk I’m trying out buffing myself then slowly removing the buffs
against wk play patiently, it doesnt matter if its not as fast as top runners. find a chance to heal when you can, and heal. makes it way easier
dapper cove
I somehow mess up debug every time
dapper cove
against wk play patiently, it doesnt matter if its not as fast as top runners. f...
But how would I practice that? Would I start with more masks and in general learn evasion
By lowering nail and vs damage
To make the fight last longer
To practice evasion and finding windows
verbal junco
But how would I practice that? Would I start with more masks and in general lear...
no just keep doing runs until u git gud
experience is the best teacher
true palm
practice on just the first knight
verbal junco
for someone as new as you i'd reccomend getting shade soul
verbal junco
Even with ddark it took me an hour
true palm
if you need shadesoul learn all skills
dapper cove
I have nail1
true palm
watcher knights just takes time
verbal junco
dont go for shadesoul
yeah i can see why
true palm
i mean just because i run low% doesnt mean i havent ran other categories
shadesoul just takes long enough to get that you should just learn all skills at that point
like dont get me wrong you can do it but i think the majority of runners would agree with my sentiment
dapper cove
Being well rounded is just as valid as being specialised
last inlet
if you need shade soul for wk run te instead this is a joke please don't do that to yourself
dapper cove
When I would go for the achievement I would go for ddark and usually that helped a lot but for speedruns it’s not entirely practical
verbal junco
shadesoul just takes long enough to get that you should just learn all skills at...
yeah it would take some rerouting to get the extra relics needed
true palm
all skills gets ddark for watcher knights
true palm
yeah it would take some rerouting to get the extra relics needed <:feelspkman:63...
you just clear hopper rows
molten aurora
All skills watcher knights is basically just muscle memory with ddark.
dapper cove
Like I would go for fires tutorials and comb them for hours
true palm
all skills is by far an easier category to learn
verbal junco
all skills is by far an easier category to learn
^^^
true palm
its mostly movement based, as it gets pretty stacked for bosses
like the first boss you fight after hornet is soul master and you already have shade soul by then
verbal junco
the largest challenge for all skills is hornet 2
true palm
and hornet 2 all skills is generally considered significantly easier than any% watcher knights
verbal junco
and hornet 2 all skills is generally considered significantly easier than any% w...
yeah
dapper cove
Hornet 2 was never too bad for me
true palm
anyways if you're dedicated to any% check out pests guide and vysuals as well if you havent
dapper cove
I’ve been combing through the guides on speedrun.Com
verbal junco
i didnt watch any guides i just practiced
dapper cove
I need the guides
true palm
would recommend watching guides
true palm
start with building good habits instead of building bad ones that you need to destroy later to improve times
verbal junco
I’m very slow at learning
im a fast learner so im a cooler gamer 
this is a joke
dapper cove
Just wait until I code an awful mode
Like impossible recent
Percent
I’m a massive coder
Like I’m thinking my project for the summer is either working on my current game or recreating hollow knight
dapper cove
Lmao
What if I made it like paper Mario
But the shitty one where you can see in 3D
true palm
Hollow knight but with guns
check out hollow point mod
dapper cove
So the map just turns on it’s side
weak estuary
lol gun hollow knight already exists
true palm
yup
haughty fossil
hey wtf super paper Mario was absolutely banging
haughty fossil
paper jam was a 3ds game
dapper cove
What was the one
haughty fossil
super paper Mario was the wii game where you could flip into 3d
haughty fossil
was a good game 
dapper cove
I never played it
I just remember the reviews being not great
Oh wait
I’m thinking of sticker star with the bad reviews
true palm
anyways this is quite the riveting conversation about Hollow Knight speedrunning
steady lynx
Super Paper Mario is underrated and I'll defend it until I get bored
steady lynx
If it's interesting enough sure
dapper cove
I think the way I’d work it would just be to like take the terrain and make it 1D
Or 2D for the floating platforms maybe
knotty vigil
Guides are bad
true palm
which ones? what kind? why are they bad?
stiff delta
guides are good
true palm
back your opinion with evidence instead of randomly saying community resources are bad
steady lynx
Or is your opinion so weak so you can't elaborate further?
somber cedar
Oof, had my first attempt at All Skills runs today. I was committed to finishing despite being horribly slow, until I misremembered the route and went to Cyclone Slash when I was meant to go for Hornet 2. Nice to have some splits to compare against now, though.
dapper cove
oh rip
my mentality is for my first completed speedrun idc how fast it is
i just want to get it done and use it as a baseline
so i know what parts i need to improve on
what skips to work on
et cetera
true palm
Oof, had my first attempt at All Skills runs today. I was committed to finishing...
we've all been there, my first any% steel soul speedrun, had to reset partway in because i forgot to select steel soul
plush light
we've all been there, my first any% steel soul speedrun, had to reset partway in...
oof
random oak
I know that using dash slash to skip animation after Hornet 2 is not allowed anymore. But are you able to use the dream nail to skip animation after shade cloaK?
haughty fossil
second is allowed, first is also allowed as long as you do it at the right time
it's only illegal if you do it early enough to get control while invis
plush light
never heard of that skip
molten aurora
I thought that becoming invisible happened if you held a direction while doing the nail art?
jagged vault
No, it’s if you let go too early
Theres a visual cue
For when you don’t turn invis anymore
Look out for the knight moving up slightly on the ground
haughty fossil
jagged vault
As long as you let go of the nail art charge after that it’s entirely valid
molten aurora
Oh okay, I'll definitely need to be careful of that, I can so see myself invalidating my first run.
haughty fossil
you can release it after the Knight moves up a pixel off the ground
not too difficult a visual cue, I think other people wait for a certain part of hornets animation but the Knight shifting is the absolute "you can go now" limit
random oak
oh okay cool. I thought it wasn't allowed in general. Good to know
vocal dove
?saves
sick ravenBOT
Saves
Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)
Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\``` ** ** Mac File Paths: ```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/ Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/``` ** ** Linux File Paths: ```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/ Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```
distant dome
Why am I so bad at mantis claw split
molten aurora
I have officially finished learning all skills, a few more hours of practice any it'll be time for some runs.
limpid ruin
Why am I so bad at mantis claw split
usually its bc too little practice 
old obsidian
current patch or 1221?
low bramble
boy oh boy do we have a new epogo strat for you
old obsidian
there's a new epogo strat
low bramble
bc we go fast
distant dome
Makes sense
distant dome
At least I got a new time on vs split practicing
I cant tell if that's easier or not
old obsidian
most of the people who tried it so far got it towards a 9/10 tries in under 30 minutes
it's very consistent
distant dome
I'll try it this practice run
normal aspen
Ngl was hoping to get some xero narration too but this will do ig
digital jewel
math said he was gonna record a voice tutorial
hallow orchid
yeah I'll record one a bit later I just got the footage for it with 2/3 fireball versions and some soul collection
distant dome
I'm dying to false knight what Is wrong with me
distant dome
I can kill false knight without getting hit consistently and I died to him twice
thorn jasper
being in the run might be affecting your mental state then?
or your mental state is affected otherwise and it's impacting the run
distant dome
I think I'm being too fast
Then I die trying to get too many hits in before I get hit
I'm too impatient sometimes
thorn jasper
yeah you don't want to rush any particular section beyond what you're confident with
limpid ruin
and if you rush those then it doesnt sound like youre comfortable either
old obsidian
I mean IL's might be something different but even top runners there are never overdoing inputs
Less input in hollow knight is sometimes more/faster
distant dome
Well at least I'm getting a new pb most of the time I'm practicing
limpid ruin
jagged vault
If you want to and have footage of a false knight fight we coult help and give pointers as to what you wanna focus on to improve it
Sorry for the typoes i’m tired and on mobile🥴
distant dome
If you want to and have footage of a false knight fight we coult help and give p...
No I just need to not be impatient that's why I cant make good art not because I'm bad but because I'm too impatient
I'm gonna practice again
thorn jasper
"be water"? is that like a metaphor?
molten aurora
Hmmm, my focus broke mid thk fight, it'd play the animation forever and never heal me, anyone know what causes that?
thorn jasper
I've had that happen. My guess: when you are meant to absorb a dreamer or thk, your focus turns into the infinite thingy. That state gets stored?
normal aspen
Did you load save state during the end of the fight where u absorb
molten aurora
Yeah I did, I figured that might be it, I'd already restored the state like 10 times at that point so I wasn't sure.
weak estuary
I tried to get the mini-debug mod for 1.0.2.8 but when I try to load the .exe the screen is entirely black
I can still see a cursor, but there's no menu
true palm
usually means you're missing assets, or your assemblys corrupt
can't provide any more specific trouble shooting than that
was it working before debug?
atomic ether
New PB HYPE!
quiet saddle
What's the fastest way to kill devouts that isn't damage tanking?
I find I often get a parry which screws up my timing and leaves me 1 nail short of killing it, so Ill end up tanking 2 hits usually
weary root
You can do 2 nail hits and dash away, then nail fireball nail to kill
it's slower cause you have to wait for it to open twice but a lot less precise than the damage tank
short spire
the nail fireball nail is actually a lot harder to hit than the dboost strat in my experience
for an easy strat you can just do two nails and dash away twice and fireball after the 2nd time you dash away
quiet saddle
Ok cool, good to know. Thanks peeps :)
neon island
#hk-meme
normal aspen
@open inlet you wanna not?
molten aurora
How does in game time compare to live split?
molten aurora
That's fair, I just completed my first full all skills run and in game timer was 1hr 32mins.
molten aurora
Time to grind for that 0s WR
Guess I should install livesplit so I actually now how I'm going. That run felt pretty good though tbh, only big mistakes were 2 deaths to hornet 2 and 1 death to thk.
random oak
just finished my first all skills with a 1:14:22. Thanks again to the community for all their help in helping my learn this game. I'm super excited to be running this game officially! Going to be a ton of fun!
old obsidian
lets gooo
random oak
i think i had four deaths? One in peaks, one in uumuu (don't ask lol), one to sibling climb, and one to HK. Feels okay for a first run.
ionic cargo
no one will blame you for dying to uumuu
jagged vault
no one will blame you for dying anywhere tbh, you're learning
neon island
I chained died to Radiance at least 25 times in my first TE run
weary root
My old 1:05 PB for All Skills had a false knight death
kind flume
all skills doesn't do failed champ, so probably not :D
weary root
No I died to False Knight and kept going cause we were doing practise races for the tourney 😄
old obsidian
great time with that^
weary root
yeah I don't think I died anywhere else
onyx spade
indigo heart
Thats cool
cursive jacinth
😎 😎 😎
and this one won't get rejected for not having the title screen in the beginning :) :) :)
okay weird, is there a way to have OBS not make the audio on a full two second delay
haughty fossil
something's definitely wrong with encoder settings if there's a full 2s audio delay
you might be able to resync it in post but trying to watch a run like that would be 
cursive jacinth
yeah, i've fixed it with premiere but like whyyy does it do that 
haughty fossil
i'd check your audio/video encoder settings, seems like a pretty concerning issue. obs really shouldn't have significant delay between the encoders unless that delay actually exists somewhere in the sources
cursive jacinth
ngl i don't know enough about this stuff to be able to see where the issue is
haughty fossil
check your master audio settings and make sure your default audio device isn't set to "monitor only"
(right click audio panel, advanced audio properties)
cursive jacinth
do you mean in OBS or...?
haughty fossil
yes
haughty fossil
audio delay could also be caused by general performance issues, which you can help alleviate following this guide https://pastebin.com/z5qVqnSQ
cursive jacinth
highly doubt it's anything performance related
cursive jacinth
i buffed up my recording settings after my run anyway just so it hopefully looks nicer
60fps and all that
'cause like i said, highly doubt performance is the issue. good pc.
haughty fossil
60fps makes me sad because it means i can't playback at 5x speed on my school wifi
haughty fossil
it's also not really necessary for hk imo, especially if streaming i'd just save the bitrate so that quality doesn't die when thk does 🙂
cursive jacinth
oh i've seen that happen before, it looks super silly haha
i found the advanced audio properties thing, so that's good
i think we're lookin solid 
haughty fossil
only other thing i can think of is make sure you're using hardware encoding, software encoding bullies even good pcs when hk is also trying to parse the spaghetti
cursive jacinth
ngl i just don't know what words mean (or where to find said words)
haughty fossil
(settings > output > Encoder... (for nvidia select NVENC H.264 (new), can't remember amd's but it's in the pastebin))
cursive jacinth
well that's cool, i'm on the correct hardware encoding as well
i really just don't know what the issue is then! it's okay though since i can just fix it in premiere but like, bruh
zinc cairn
hi how much harder is any% compared to all skills?
kind flume
it depends on the player, but any% has harder bossfights mostly, especially watcher knights (and THK on current patch). All skills has one pretty hard skip, but you have better gear for the boss fights
zinc cairn
I haven't been playing and speedrunning for so long so that's normal, but i feel like hornet sentinel is bringing demons out of me
kind flume
optimal any% route has an ever harder skip though, to be fair. but that skip saves about 25 seconds at best, so it's not strictly necessary unless you wanna compete for top times
hornet 2 is definitely not easy!
zinc cairn
This is the only fight i'm struggling so hard with
haughty fossil
optimal any% route has an ever harder skip though, to be fair. but that skip sav...
qga is easier than ismas skips fight me 😤
zinc cairn
ismas skip you mean this in spike tunnel?
kind flume
qga is easier than ismas skips fight me 😤
I did qga "on accident" once, so maybe you're right!
I had been practicing qga, but not the rest of queen's gardens, so I was still gonna go deepnest for the run. Then I mindlessly went and did qga anyway, and obviously messed up and died to petra arena
if only I could first try hard stuff when I actually should do it :I
kind flume
ismas skip you mean this in spike tunnel?
Isma's skips are spike tunnel and the two following acid skips
haughty fossil
qga is more intuitive if you already do lots of acid skips in rando i suppose, compared to the final isma's skip and the scuffed timing for the spike tunnel pogo
normal aspen
1221 spike tunnel > qga > ismas skips
zinc cairn
spike tunnel is easier on 1221?
kind flume
yeah I was gonna ask which was those >'s went :D
zinc cairn
I don't mind skips tho, i think learning qga can be fun
but learning hornet 2 isn't fun
stable flint
Isma skips are the most fun skips in my opinion
zinc cairn
I agree
normal aspen
That but without cdash
zinc cairn
Yea i'm ready to give up, hornet movement is more chaotic than my personality
haughty fossil
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stable flint
Yeah hornet 2 takes a hell of a lot of practice to get consistent with
zinc cairn
I've been here for an hour and couldn't defeat her ;-;
tepid schooner
you’ll get it, just takes practice and a good mindset
zinc cairn
I just got back to game so i should expect that, but it's still kinda disappointing
I was watching tsira stream yesterday and it motivated me to get back and do some runs too
stable flint
It’s a rlly hard fight
I only got semi consistent recently after hours upon hours of practice
zinc cairn
The worst part is she doesn't usually kill me with her attacks, just randomly walks or jumps into me
Like lost kin but 10 times worse
I do like lost kin tho ._.
vocal dove
i have better luck with hornet 2 when i'm extra patient and wait to line her up for double hits with shade soul
she does have a habit of walking into you if you're too greedy with hits
hearty adder
Yeah, it's best to just get your distance and farm the doubles, as you get more comfortable you can start getting more aggressive
normal aspen
Unless ur full soul on use spells if u can double or get a ddark
Also dashing is commital so d9nt do it in neutral if u can be punished for it
zinc cairn
I like to wait for attack when she's throwing her needle and than i do 2 hits +ddark
stable flint
When she’s throwing needle and staggered is when to d dark her, yeah
normal aspen
That and getting the stagger lock is rlly good
stable flint
Omg somni please teach me
zinc cairn
I think i just need to stay calm during that fight and try to play more safe
normal aspen
It's not a lock lock but u can generally get a couple
It's forward up back then ideally 2 doubles
zinc cairn
Because i have that tendency to rush, but i forgot i will lose more time from dying, than just doing fight more safely
normal aspen
Even if u miss a double one nail swing will stagger again
pastel ocean
Im trying to get back to running this game but I dont remember how to downpatch and I cant see anywhere that says how
can someone help pls
pastel ocean
Ah thank you I was in the resource tab
verbal junco
Im trying to get back to running this game but I dont remember how to downpatch ...
just run current patch
obtuse estuary
hornet2 has aimbot those mid jump dash corrections are nasty
zinc cairn
exactly
pastel ocean
I'm trying to set up the autosplitter but it says Hollow knight doesnt have one on livesplit
digital jewel
latest version of livesplit
typing hollow knight correctly
launching as admin
move livesplit out of program files or downloads if it's in there