speedrunning

[neat swallow]

Yeah I’ve played the game on both

[snow dome]

But still totally doable

You could do both. Double your chances of world record!

[neat swallow]

Lmao yeah

[snow dome]

I'm pretty sure that's how that works

[neat swallow]

I need to practice a lot though

[snow dome]

Absolutely. Practice is way more important than which version you're running, really.

People are faster on Switch than I am on my medium-high end PC 1221 patch.

Because they're just better

[neat swallow]

I’ve mildly learnt fire ball skip so I’m gonna keep practicing that but when I get it consistently what should I try to learn next

[slim geyser]

honestly i reccomend skipping fireball skips

Shade skip, is far more necessary

Watcher knights are literally required to finish a run

[last inlet]

i'd say for a beginner learn the squit backup and give the second fb skip a go

[slim geyser]

as is beast's den

[slim geyser]

yeah that's true

no harm in giving it a shot

[last inlet]

but yeah shade skip and watcher knights are required so not learning those properly is a mistake

[neat swallow]

So I’ll learn shade skip and then fine tune fireball skip

[cloud pollen]

I found fireball skip quite easy tho

[last inlet]

if you aren't consistent the first and third fireball skips aren't really worth the soul (at least in a run)

[cloud pollen]

only took me nearly 2 hours to get it about 50% of the time

[slim geyser]

Yeah it's easy for some people, others have a harder time

[cloud pollen]

fair

[slim geyser]

at the end of the day though, getting all 3 fireball skips saves less than 40 seconds

and a death to watcher knights can lose like 2 minutes

[neat swallow]

I play on a PS4 controller and the whole time I’ve been playing on the analog stick but to do fireball skip to have to use the movement buttons and it messes me up

[last inlet]

(that being said having to go all the way around greenpath is pretty significant so the squit backup is a skip you should learn fairly early

[neat swallow]

Yeah I do know the squit thing and it is really easy lol

[ionic cargo]

squit pogo is really easy to do consistantly

[cloud pollen]

although if you miss a jump or something then he might end up going in really awkward places which is what I have found

[dapper cove]

i don't have very good fine motor skills so i know what i need to work on for my speedruns for sure

fireball skips and acid skips 100% are going to need a lot of work

[snow dome]

We have a very different definition of easy

If something takes me 2h to learn and I ends up at 50%, and I can practice it like 3 times a minute, that is something I would class as hard.

[ionic cargo]

agreed

[hasty basin]

haha i didnt die in colo for the first time in a run

[slim geyser]

oh shit grats

carried that timesave all the way to the end too

[hasty basin]

i died like maybe 6 times in other places though 😅

[short spire]

that's a neat layout

gg on the run

[dapper cove]

Wish I could do that lol I can’t even beat colo 3 on my 107% save file

Going for nkg instead of banishment might’ve helped though bc that charm could’ve been useful

But I love the banishment charm too

[dapper cove]

Damn

Do it again?

I’m turning my first ever speedrun attempt into a YouTube video and then imma try and get better

I think speed running is the coolest thing ever

Just finding those tiny game breaking things

If I as a game dev had a speed runner do that to one of my games

I’d at first be frustrated for not patching it

But then I’d be proud

Then if it’s too game breaking I patch it

[harsh mason]

theres literally no reason to patch something unless its something that'll happen to players in normal play

[dapper cove]

I might also work on mods in the future bc coding is something I really really love and there’s just so much potential in the game industry

[dapper cove]

My way of thinking, as someone who makes games, is if it ruins the point of a game or minimises what I made the game for then I’m going to patch it out

[snow dome]

I think it's subjective

And entirely up to the person/people making the game

[harsh mason]

barring like potentially bricking pcs, or deleting stuff

[dapper cove]

Like if there’s a platforming section and someone finds a bug to skip the entire thing I’m going to patch it

[harsh mason]

you achieve literally nothing patching stuff no one will ever find

[dapper cove]

I may leave a variant of it in

As like memorabilia

Just some cheeky more difficult platforming to work around it and go slightly faster

There’s this game I started making in unity (what hollow knight is made on) and I took into account speed running when designing levels because I wanted there to be multiple paths to the finish line

[harsh mason]

and people will just play on the patch that doesn't have that

[dapper cove]

But I want that option to be there

[harsh mason]

so all you did was waste your own time

[dapper cove]

Like a new way to enjoy the game

And added challenge to those who did use it

It’s not entirely about making something for other people when making a game though

[harsh mason]

and that'll just make your game look even worse to people watching speedrunners

[dapper cove]

You want to make something you’re proud of as well that evolves as you do and speedruns do

[harsh mason]

because they'll only run on old patches, and it'll be broken af

[dapper cove]

But what if newer patches are inherently faster?

[harsh mason]

it literally happened in this game

[dapper cove]

You’re missing my point

Yes there’s major glitches

But majority of speed runners enjoy the nmg category

[harsh mason]

nmg is ran on a extremely old patch

[dapper cove]

It’s more challenging

And nmg isn’t game breaking things

If anything it’s a testament to the love a community has for a game

I want to turn my game into a full fledged game and post it somewhere but I don’t have the artistic capabilities to make that happen unfortunately

It’s such an amazing concept and when I showed my teacher he thought it was amazing and enjoyed how much effort I put into the little things

[harsh mason]

i mean its more effort than its worth

"what if newer is faster"

[dapper cove]

Depends on who you’re asking

It’s more play options

[harsh mason]

means remaking large sections of levels anytime theres anything you dont like

[dapper cove]

Sorta like how new gen minecraft speedruns are much slower than old patches

People still do it

[harsh mason]

people also run current patch nmg

[dapper cove]

It’s personal preference

But even then it’s my game

Which Btw if any artists would like to help me fully flesh out my game lmk bc I’d love to make it more large scale

The art is very minimal bc I really suck at drawing lmao

[harsh mason]

but who are you fixing the bugs for,
casual players dont know or care
speedrunners do know and do care and would prefer you to not

so all you do by fixing obscure bugs is:
spend your on time on something that doesn't affect 99% of the players
and 1% of the players will dislike, and potentially will just avoid by splitting the categories

and then you'll get upset that people showing off your game on youtube are showing off an old and glitchy version that doesn't represent the current release
its literally a pointless losing battle

the only bugs you should fix are ones that'll affect first time players semiconsistently

or random ones like 1% chance your save corrupts

[dapper cove]

You really aren’t getting my point so I’m just gunna drop it

It’s not just about the players

[harsh mason]

i get your point

[dapper cove]

It’s for your satisfaction too

[harsh mason]

your creation is perfect

and above mistakes

[dapper cove]

That’s not my point

I enjoy finding the game breaking bugs

[harsh mason]

woe is me, i did an oopsy woopsy

[dapper cove]

But I also want other routes for people

I don’t like being pigeon holed and I don’t want to pigeon hole others

[harsh mason]

people will just figure out the fastest route

then you're pidgeon holed

[dapper cove]

The fact that there were so many routes that were considered for hollow knight is amazing

Each with different levels of difficulty

It’s like a testament to ones ability

[harsh mason]

the route has been functionally the same since release wtf

[dapper cove]

But there have been other routes

What about mag’s route with getting ismas and wings

[harsh mason]

is slower

so it isnt used

[dapper cove]

That one is insanely difficult but still close

[harsh mason]

im glad you watched fireb0rns video a week ago

its not close

it was close before uumuu quick kill with nail0

[dapper cove]

People thought it could be an option though

There’s constantly new discoveries

What would’ve happened if some skips didn’t exist

Or some things were never discovered

What if shade skip didn’t exist

[harsh mason]

then it'd be the steel soul route

which is pretty similar to the normal one

[dapper cove]

It gives speed runners a chance to start from scratch which I think is amazing

There could be other shade skips along the way

Because dying isn’t game over

[harsh mason]

and whatever the what if is

people will still figure out the fastest route

[dapper cove]

And that’s amazing

[harsh mason]

especially in anything shorter than an hour

[dapper cove]

Now I just really want to make my game into something deliverable

[harsh mason]

you attempting to put options in whilst removing emergent options, is easily solved though

[dapper cove]

I spent close to 30 hours making it and making sure the code works perfectly

[harsh mason]

emergent options lead to more emergent options

[dapper cove]

More creativity

More different ways to play

Think about it as a positive

[harsh mason]

yeah you get those by leaving in emergent discoveries

[dapper cove]

How the community works together

When the game evolves so do the players

[harsh mason]

when demo dashes were found in celeste, the devs didn't remove them

oh no, you can skip large sections of stages

[dapper cove]

It’s the devs choice

[harsh mason]

they added in more demodashes in new stages

[dapper cove]

They took that in stride

I’m going to get breakfast

[harsh mason]

wow almost as if it was an emergent property of the game engine, that didn't affect 99.99% of the players

[dapper cove]

You can keep being a Debby downer if you want but I have more games to work on

More code to write

I have big dreams for myself and the games I make

Just you wait

[short spire]

this isn't strictly true, it wasn't until april 14th that the base for the current route became wr

people were getting dive before that

[harsh mason]

i mean yeah it was a couple of weeks right

[short spire]

nearly 2 months

[harsh mason]

it was like 6 weeks

[dapper cove]

Ok I have my breakfast now

[snow dome]

Which is closer to two months than two weeks

Anyway

[dapper cove]

But also think about the casual players

[snow dome]

Don't tell people how to make their own games

[dapper cove]

There’s so many different ways to tackle the game

[harsh mason]

casual players wont find random shit

[dapper cove]

Waterways was the last place I found

I beat the entire game without isma my first time through

Because I didn’t know it existed

[harsh mason]

did you find inventory drops

did you find acid skips

[short spire]

patching things that only speedrunners will ever be affected by is a waste of everyone's time

[dapper cove]

That was patched out since I was playing console

[harsh mason]

no they arent

[dapper cove]

And I wasn’t aiming for speed

[harsh mason]

they work on 1.4.3.2

[dapper cove]

I was just trying to have fun

[harsh mason]

so you didn't find them

[dapper cove]

Well why would I look for them

If I’m playing casually

[harsh mason]

well why would you patch things people arent going to find casually

[snow dome]

This argument isn't going to have a good outcome

Y'all

[dapper cove]

If you’d like me to stop I will

[snow dome]

People can make games however they see fit

[harsh mason]

if you just nerf things speedrunners do, they'll just use the next best thing

[dapper cove]

I just think team cherry did an amazing job

For years I wanted to work for them

[snow dome]

If you don't like the decisions they make, don't speed run their game. There we go

[dapper cove]

But the fact that they’re based in Australia is iffy for me lmao

[harsh mason]

the fact they havent hired anyone except one programmer to get their game out of never running on a switch

is a bit iffy for you

[dapper cove]

Imma continue my very very bad speedrun when I get back to my dorm after breakfast

I know their team is exclusive

[short spire]

it's objectively true though that no one benefits from things being patched that casual players aren't negatively affected by, no? like you're wasting dev time and making speedrunners sad while casuals won't even notice anything happened

[dapper cove]

But I also specialise in programming and I’d like to think nothing is impossible

[harsh mason]

you spent 30hrs making sure there was no bugs in your engine

[dapper cove]

No

I spent 30 hours making sure the core mechanics worked

It took me a long time to get everything work efficiently without having a lot of data

[ionic cargo]

there is a reason tc is only patching some glitches now, its because they didnt really hurt too many players.

[dapper cove]

I made a script entirely on my own that saved so much data space and it’s honestly incredible

[serene coral]

what if my next game is going to use the same engine and i want to find out if fixing this known bug causes something else to break

[dapper cove]

I made infinitely generating rooms where the previous room gets deleted behind your

[harsh mason]

wow

[dapper cove]

And there’s a wall to prevent you from going back

[harsh mason]

procedural generation

[dapper cove]

To make sure you don’t leave the level soace

It was my first semester of coding in that language

Of course I’m going to be proud of it

Coming up with the code without looking at tutorials

[harsh mason]

https://careers.google.com/jobs/results/?q=software engineering

[dapper cove]

Or tips on the language

My code is always entirely my own and I take pride in that

My codes have been simple because of the deadline I have for projects

[harsh mason]

that such a stupid stance

[dapper cove]

But if given a year they’d be much much more complex

[ionic cargo]

Im getting confused on how this is related to speedrunning

[dapper cove]

It used to be

[harsh mason]

do you write your own os

[thorn jasper]

Speedrunning turned to game dev turned to software dev

[harsh mason]

did you build your own computer

[thorn jasper]

#off-topic

[dapper cove]

I’ll stop so we can get back to speed running if you’d like

[thorn jasper]

Or just move this conversation to a different channel

[dapper cove]

This is just something I’m passionate about

I mean if Katie is up for it

[harsh mason]

absolutely not

[dapper cove]

It’s something I’m passionate about so I could talk for hours

[harsh mason]

ive had enough of your existence

[dapper cove]

Ok

[snow dome]

That's really not on

[thorn jasper]

🥴

[dapper cove]

That’s completely up to you

I’m still proud of everything I’ve achieved

[snow dome]

I think you should apologize for that, TBH

[dapper cove]

I’ve dreamt of being a game developer since I was a kid

It’s alright I’ve learned to handle that well from my parents ngl

My parents never believed in me so I believe in myself twice over

[snow dome]

That doesn't make it okay

[dapper cove]

Yeah

[snow dome]

Especially from a mod

[dapper cove]

But it doesn’t hurt

Words like that don’t phase me

[thorn jasper]

Katie's not a mod

But still

[ionic cargo]

modding staff

but I agree

[dapper cove]

My project for winter break was even to attempt to recreate some of the core mechanics from hollow knight myself

Just sampling the art assets so it runs smoothly

[snow dome]

Oh, sure, whatever. That's still a position that I don't think should be held by somebody with that attitude.

[dapper cove]

Namely the dash and the c dash

Spells wouldn’t be too difficult either

It’s just nailing the hit box

Dive would be rough only because of the i frames

[thorn jasper]

Heh. Nailing. Heh

[snow dome]

Good luck with your game, anyway. Probably best to get back to just talking about speed running at this point.

[dapper cove]

I know I know

Yeah

I get the feeling I’ve been blocked anyways

[harsh mason]

nope

[dapper cove]

But if you’d like to move to #off-topic I’d gladly tell you more about the game I’ve been developing

I would even be willing to pitch the idea to more developed companies to carry out my vision artistically in ways I can’t

[snow dome]

Probably best to get back to just talking about speed running at this point.

[dapper cove]

Ok lol

But if you want to know about my game dm me bc I’d love to share about it

As long as you don’t steal my idea ;)

[uneven pike]

i submitted my run but it doesnt have an option for current patch nmg so i just hit the any% button because it was the closest. Is that alright?

[dapper cove]

It’s still any%

So I would believe it’s ok

[uneven pike]

but it will go on the any% nmg cp leaderboards right?

[dapper cove]

I think there’s just like sub-sections for each patch

I’d have to double check the website

[uneven pike]

https://youtu.be/Qm5MlqkmFCo

[dapper cove]

I’m just outside my dorm so give me two minutes

[uneven pike]

i was so close to subhour aswell

[harsh mason]

which board did you submit to

[uneven pike]

That one

[normal aspen]

I moved your run to current patch nmg

[uneven pike]

but hit the submit run button and see what happens

[uneven pike]

oh thanks

[dapper cove]

ins0mnia a pog gamer

[normal aspen]

You select current patch under the glitched selection not the category one

[uneven pike]

OOOOOOOOOHHHHHH

mb mb

[normal aspen]

So instead of "No Major Glitches" choose "Current Patch NMG"

[dapper cove]

i still need to finish my run but it's going to have to wait until after my meeting unfortunately

[normal aspen]

All good, you know for next time now

[uneven pike]

on another note, im angry about the death at the end of the run

[dapper cove]

it makes for a cool story imo

actually i have an hour to keep going at my run

[uneven pike]

at like, 57 or so minutes, i die, and as the screen fades to black, he starts stabbing himself

[dapper cove]

add another hour

[narrow salmon]

When I wanna set the run catagory in my LiveSplit to Any% Current patch, it doesn't show up, only as any%, which I take as on patch 1.2.2.1. Should I just rock with Any% or make my own splits?

[dapper cove]

fingers crossed i can get to knights by the two hour mark

[normal aspen]

In the settings window you can choose the patch

But if you mean downloading splits the spl8ts themselves are basically identical in order so it's still a good starting point

Just yeet the times and you are set

[narrow salmon]

in the splits editor?

[trail oxide]

How to do main menu storage

[dapper cove]

if you press your inventory button while falling

[snow dome]

That's not main menu storage

[normal aspen]

Yeah quintex

[normal aspen]

Current patch? Also pc or console?

[trail oxide]

console

current

[normal aspen]

You can't do it on console coz u don't have mouse cursor

[trail oxide]

bruh a guy told me u can

can i plug in mouse?

[digital jewel]

then he lied didn't he

[normal aspen]

I doubt it tbh

[trail oxide]

wait ur ins0mnia

[normal aspen]

Ive been called that yea

[grizzled maple]

No console versions literally do not have a mouse coded in game

[trail oxide]

r u the guy who did that stupid skip for isma's tear without crystal dash

[grizzled maple]

Even if mouse would register

[normal aspen]

Yea

[trail oxide]

damn

mad respect

[normal aspen]

Cheers

[haughty fossil]

somni do be pretty cute too 😳

[normal aspen]

U

[trail oxide]

was it tas or non tas

[haughty fossil]

we don't have a functioning tas for full game runs yet

[trail oxide]

oof

[haughty fossil]

i believe fire mentioned in his video that it was segmented, so all 3 parts of it were completed separately

[grizzled maple]

All we have is PoP and PoH

[normal aspen]

Nah just practice

[digital jewel]

everything somni does is tool-assisted

gottem

[normal aspen]

I've done it single segment before

[haughty fossil]

the tool is debug

[normal aspen]

Just wasnt as pretty

[trail oxide]

how can some people open their inventory in the air is that pc only?

[normal aspen]

It's an old patch thing

[trail oxide]

oh

[haughty fossil]

i think vys has a video on the biggest differences between pc and 1221

[trail oxide]

what are the differences between voidheart eddition and normal hollow knight

[haughty fossil]

title screen

[trail oxide]

thats it

[normal aspen]

Yea

[haughty fossil]

yeah 1.4.3.3 (voidheart) = 1.4.3.2 + title screen change

[trail oxide]

bruh

[elder gale]

cool

i havent seen this glitch before

pretty cool

i found it by accident

[thorn jasper]

you just standing there? probably awkward hitbox

[elder gale]

yeah

[twin swallow]

It's completely normal.

[elder gale]

ïf you wann do that yourself just jump towards the wall and upslash with right timing so you dont wall cling

[elder gale]

not easy tho

[thorn jasper]

if you find one like that on the taller wall (to the left?) we can use it for gh% 👀

I said, never having run gh%

[hallow orchid]

If only this was a bit higher it would eliminate the hopper pogo to get to Oro

I'm sure it's because of the breakable wall slaurent

[thorn jasper]

#justDeepnest_Est_06Moments

[elder gale]

yeah its becouse breakable wall i think

[haughty fossil]

doubt it occurs if you don't come from the bottom side

[thorn jasper]

the breakable wall is there regardless? it's just we can see it now

[elder gale]

i got it first without breakabnle wall being visible

[hallow orchid]

Yeah I just mean there won't likely be another on the other walls

[thorn jasper]

oh I see

[elder gale]

then i just putted nocclip and checed was there breakable wall becouse i was intrested why it works

[haughty fossil]

surely if it only works if you don't wallcling then this would be easily noticable/done in rando?

[hallow orchid]

Yeah I'm just thinking for rando but it's a bit too low to be useful

[elder gale]

yeah its too low

[hallow orchid]

Could make that one pogo a bit easier I guess

[elder gale]

you can jump up from there

oh

if you dont have mantis clawn you can just jump there

with right angle

lmao

[hallow orchid]

Wait you can jump up to the top?

That would be helpful in rando

[elder gale]

no

[hallow orchid]

Oh ok

[elder gale]

with damage boost from aspid you can tho

or aspid to pogo

[hallow orchid]

There's a great hopper that spawns there that we use usually

[elder gale]

yeah

so pretty pointless to do this

[hallow orchid]

Still a fun spot though lol

[elder gale]

if you inventory and close invertory there knight goes to that weird falling/floating animation lol

[dapper cove]

I messed up my livesplit tracker and so i had to start over twice

bc i accidentally opened up the wrong world

twice

i restarted twice because i opened up the wrong world

i hate my life lmao

i had such a good run too

got cloak in under 15

[thorn jasper]

are you on pc? if so you can reorder save files to put your speedrunning file in the most natural/accessible slot

[haughty fossil]

or never do that and gain permanent muscle memory to spam mouse on slot 2

[dapper cove]

i'm just big dumb lmao i'm considering it extra practice

one day i will successfully do a single fireball skip

i just use the squib or whatever it's called to get through that one patch since i consistently fail that skip

[haughty fossil]

that's an acceptable backup, especially when like me you randomly forget the muscle memory you've been training for almost a year

[dapper cove]

i also somehow manage to miss every fireball when i fight vengefly king so we aren't going to talk about that lmao

i've been playing hollow knight for near two years but i never tried speedrunning it fully

i just wanted to get the speedrun achievements for under 5 hours and i failed everytime

i'll get there one day i swear by it

i just want to sit and crank out one run to have as a baseline and then start doing specialised practice

because it'll take me multiple hours

like around 5 at best bc i'm really really bad at the game

i've been getting good at the hornet fight though

and i've sorta got an order to what i want to learn

1. fireball skip 2. acid skip 3. explosion pogo

i can do shade skip but it takes me a couple times

like it took me 20 minutes last time

[dull lion]

Just so you know, if you are just going for the achievement you don’t need to learn any skips. You are much better off just following one of the guides that gets some extra things and finishes in 2-3 hours comfortably. also

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[dapper cove]

i've given up on the achievement i just want to speedrun now

[thorn jasper]

that's a gamer move

[dapper cove]

i was going for the achievement as a gateway to speedrunning

just as like a baby mode speedrun

[dull lion]

Fair, that’s what I did too

[dapper cove]

i read fire's tutorials as if they were the bible

[thorn jasper]

you'll get the achievement as a side effect

[dapper cove]

i swear i poured over those things for hours trying to learn the optimal way to fight knights and uumuu specifically

and also to get ddark because i would die for like an hour straight

i just can't get through the mound in crystal peaks to save my life

[dull lion]

It’s a tough game so don’t be discouraged if you struggle a lot at first, it will get a lot easier with practice

[dapper cove]

peaks was one of the last areas i went to in the game

i've been playing for two years lmao

i'm just bad

it took me around 25 hours i want to say to beat radiance

and i mean i spent every last second of those 25 hours fighting radiance

four days of trying

my speedrun skills will rival yours one day just you wait

when i get hyperfixated on something i go ham lmao

[haughty fossil]

i look forward to that

[elder gale]

dont worry aboputn being bad

i know that feeling so well

[dull lion]

Speedrun practice and casual play are a lot different so don’t sell yourself short. If you run into any trouble just put it in here and people should help

[haughty fossil]

we were all bad

[dapper cove]

i'm bad at basically all games except mario kart

[haughty fossil]

some of us still are

[dapper cove]

i am godly at mario kart

and connect four

those are my two games

[elder gale]

im bad at every game that exists

[dapper cove]

i just remember being a kid and my siblings yelling at me bc i wouldn't let them win ever

i'd win every single time and give them no chance bc i felt no remorse

[elder gale]

maybe someone can argue that im good in one old nes game i speedrunned and hold 2nd place in the world but its just unpopular game lmao

[dapper cove]

same with friends

lmao

i'll make a speedrun category for my game once i release it then i'll be number one

[elder gale]

youre making game?

[dapper cove]

it has some interesting mechanics with dozens of different routes considering the small size

yes

[elder gale]

nice

i also like gamedev

but this is going kinda offtopic

[dapper cove]

i'm majoring in game programming so i've made a bunch of games but there's on in particular that my prof really really loved and i want to publish it and make it to where speedrunning is a big part of the game for those who love to speedrun

i'd gladly discuss it in dms because it is honestly my magnum opus and it is my pride and joy

[elder gale]

if you want some feedback/playtest/anything like that i can help, but yeah dm time maybe then

[dapper cove]

wooooo

[thorn jasper]

@dapper cove this is not the channel for game dev discussions, no need to bring it up unprompted

[dapper cove]

sorry i just get very excited about it

[torpid pollen]

that’s an inventory drop lol

somni has some tutorials for cp mms on his yt channel

but idk about 1028 mms

[hollow mesa]

?saves

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[dapper cove]

Ok now I’m just confused bc idk if it’s from the sleep deprivation

[dreamy bough]

Quick question about dash cancels : i see people mention how far you dash from the wall as a factor in your jump height. Yet whenever i'm trying it i can get the same jump height no matter the dash distance, the only thing that i feel affects it is how long i'm holding jump after the walljump. Am i missing something?

[mossy field]

Well, time to introduce myself properly

I come here with a will to learn

I am what most consider “an amateur game dev”

[violet terrace]

did they update the game so you cant hit the switch for a door from under the door in the city of tears or do i just suck

[last inlet]

been patched out

[violet terrace]

heck

[last inlet]

you have to kill the great husk sentry instead

[mossy field]

I come here trying to study the perspective of the player, focusing on the “speed runner” title

[violet terrace]

is that the big red enemy in that room

[dapper cove]

in current patch it's not a thing i tried for a very long time

[dapper cove]

yes

[violet terrace]

mega heck

[dapper cove]

you gotta go more along the intended route for that section on current patch

a lot of spots where that's a thing in old patch speedrunning no longer exist in current patch

[violet terrace]

ok thanks

[dapper cove]

the whole hitting doors through walls thing

[violet terrace]

im just trying to do it in 5 hours

[digital jewel]

in the FAQ there's a linked guide for the 5 hour achievement

this is a channel for leaderboard speedruns, it's not for discussion of the achievement

[violet terrace]

oh sorry

[dapper cove]

mistakes happen ma dood

What I've found is I loosely follow fire's 5 hour speedrun achievement route when I don't feel confident in my speedrunning abilities but other than that I try my best to just zoom

so i might skip getting ddark bc for me it's a massive time suck but i'll still get dive to help with i frames and especially help with wk

[desert kiln]

is this a verifiable fps and resolution? (obviously i don't have livesplit on the screen in this clip tho)

[digital jewel]

it's a bit choppy but it looks verifiable yes

your game fps is extremely low though

seems uncomfortable to run like that

and I'd be worried that the recorded frames drop a lot during bosses like wk

[desert kiln]

i've lowered the resolution, is this better?

or should i go to 144p lol

[last inlet]

that should be fine as long as you dont get frame drops in other parts of the game

it's hard to say without seeing more intensive areas

[digital jewel]

yeah try something more intensive like watcher knights

what are you playing on? is there any way to improve game performance?

[desert kiln]

the only way i can think of to improve performance is to just keep lowering the resolution

with steam launch options

[digital jewel]

that's unfortunate

[cloud pollen]

Does the modding API disable the fullscreen option?

[granite field]

@desert kiln is this 1221?

if you're running on 1221 might be a good idea to rather go for CP, this run smoother

(in worst scenario)

[plush light]

How do you count your time?

[jagged vault]

Yes, 1221’s performance is quite abyss-mal (sorry) compared to Current Patch

[granite field]

PC is counted in loadless time with Livesplit and Consoles are in real time

[last inlet]

they didnt even show the abyss in the video, cmon blue work on your pun game

[granite field]

do not use the post-credits timer, it's inaccurate

[plush light]

Oh ok thanks

So ill use livesplit for poh speedruns

[granite field]

you should have autosplitter for every pantheon boss, that's cool

look at the pins for extra guides if you want

[plush light]

Thanks, I'll do it

And how should I submit the run?

[dapper cove]

i'm really struggling to do wk in speedrun do y'all have tips

i've spent 20 minutes here

[plush light]

Stay in mid if possible

[dapper cove]

i have nail 1

that's it

[plush light]

Never let em corner

When they try to smack you with their nails

Go behind and vs

[plush light]

Any recording programme you recommend??

[dapper cove]

i'm just recording through streamlabs

with the livesplit in screen

[plush light]

What's that

[dapper cove]

recording software through obs

this is going to take an eternity lol

i am very slow at this

[plush light]

you will eventually figure it out

Do you have AE?

[dapper cove]

i sometimes kill one of them

i'm trying to remember what AE is

[plush light]

All entries

Journal

[dapper cove]

uhhh

idk

[plush light]

radiant hog?

[dapper cove]

idk what that is lol

this is my first attempt

ever

[plush light]

ohh

In whole HK?

[dapper cove]

in speedrunning

[plush light]

Have you even completed the whole game?

[dapper cove]

like ik you can cheese with ddark

[plush light]

Godmaster

[dapper cove]

pretty much but not on my pc

i have on console

[plush light]

oh I get it

I think training certain bosses there would be helpful

Really helpful

[stray kestrel]

debug mod really helps for bosses

you can give yourself the correct loadout to fight them with

[plush light]

How do I download the speedrunning program you mentioned earlier?

[dapper cove]

i'm trying to do this one as like a base 0

[stray kestrel]

so you can do specific practice for the category you're running

[dapper cove]

to work up from

and if you look up streamlabs obs you'll find it

from there have a game capture and a browser capture

one for livesplit

one for hk

[plush light]

Thanks I'll do that

[dapper cove]

and then orient it how you want

i stream on twitch and i've been attempting minecraft speedruns on there

[plush light]

Also getting on the poh leaderboards will be easy asf

Minecraft speedruns are brutal

[dapper cove]

my goal is top 1k

but yeah for this run idc exactly how long my run run is

[plush light]

And where you at now?

[dapper cove]

it's more of a ground 0

haven't submitted a run yet

i'm still learning strats

[plush light]

ok I see

[dapper cove]

and stats about the game

[plush light]

Newest version?

[dapper cove]

like how a stone axe does the same damage as an iron sword

1.16 yes

ok back to watcher knights though for now

if you'd like i can move into a vc so you can see my failure lmao

[plush light]

Yeah do it please

[granite field]

sorry late reply but OBS seems good

[plush light]

Maybe I can think of more tips then

[dapper cove]

i'll be in gen 2

[plush light]

Thanks! I'll probably use it

[uneven pike]

obs is the main software

[plush light]

Ok

So pogoing is a garbage strat

Next

When they do the bounce attack, dont run away from them

Just run away when they do the first bounce, dash right under them when they are performing the 2nd

[uneven pike]

are you talking about wk?

[dapper cove]

yes

i am being coached in gen 2

[uneven pike]

my tip for wk is dont listen to the guides

they assume that your a god with amazing movement

[plush light]

:((

[uneven pike]

if you arent going for a top time there are better things to sink hours of time into

[plush light]

But dashing under a slowly jumping ball ain't that hard

[dull lion]

Pro tip. If you actually want to get consistent at the fight listen to the guides. Speedrunning is hard and takes practice if you want consistency

[uneven pike]

yeah but if you go for fast strats every time you're gonna get really demoralized if you aren't consistent with them cause wk is 30 minutes in

[dull lion]

Watcher knights can easily put you in positions where damage is unavoidable given enough time. Fast strata are the easiest strats by far

[dapper cove]

yeah bc the goal is to fight only one at a time

[dull lion]

Just drop a nail hit and do the same thing as fireborn

[plush light]

Also practice staying in place while attacking

[dull lion]

Or whatever guide you’re watching. It won’t be perfect but trying to mimic as best you can will help in the long term

[dapper cove]

i'm not watching a guide currently

[plush light]

I mean the slight movement in the direction you are pointing your attacks

[dapper cove]

i'm just trying to do my first speedrun

[haughty fossil]

actually watch a guide, even for your first runs

[dapper cove]

it's like a baseline for myself

i've seen guides for the achievement albeit they're slightly different

like i watched fire's tutorial for that for hours on end

just for wk and ddark

[haughty fossil]

training how to do the fight in some weird way isn't going to help you long-term when you need to relearn it

[plush light]

In 5 hours you can get like 100% without any problems

[haughty fossil]

that's what i did for wk and i kept dying in any% until i completely reset, learned a new strat and now i have pretty decent fights v. consistently

[plush light]

Or maybe even 112 idk

[dapper cove]

i don't have very good fine motor skills

that's why i'm struggling

i can't do fast action things currently

[somber cedar]

The only thing between me and my first AS run is Hornet 2, and I'm struggling hard. Is this just "grind it out until it works"? I'm following Pisces' guide FWIW, but I tend to be just way too slow to react to most attacks

which leads to me keeping a reaction safe distance -> less dmg -> more death

[plush light]

Notice his reactions to every attack

I mean the movement he performs when she does a certain attack

[somber cedar]

particularly I can't tell if she's jumping into her "hanging into my glowy air attack" or just jumping across the arena. Same with walking towards me

[dull lion]

It’s just a fight you kind of have to grind out until your reaction time for it improves

[somber cedar]

aight, thanks, I can do that

[dull lion]

You will take damage in that fight

So just accept that if she does what you don’t expect you will get hit and go for dps as best as possible

[somber cedar]

Yeah, I've been doing more ddarks for the iframes, but I should probably go for shade soul doubles

[dull lion]

Yeah ddark is okay if you are struggling to survive but if you’re taking a lot of damage anyway shade soul might be more worth it for the damage

[nocturne leaf]

ive been trying to get a new pb, but my current one is 50 minutes, and i feel like i dont know what else to do to shave off time, any tips?

[dull lion]

What category and version are you running first of all?

[nocturne leaf]

1.2.2.1 any% NMG

[dull lion]

any% is mostly about boss fight optimization so I guess really make sure that you have your damage cycles down as best you can. Past that there’s always a bit of time to save in every room. I suggest watching high level runs and paying attention to the small differences between their movement and yours because that small timesave every room really adds up

[nocturne leaf]

okayy

ty

[desert kiln]

CP is slow as well, beta is the only one that isn’t

[nocturne leaf]

nvm got it

[brisk basalt]

what if there was a speedrun where you gotta get to the colosseum of fools and beat zote but doing this as fast as possible

[thorn jasper]

that's already a thing! Zote%

[last inlet]

there is!

[thorn jasper]

https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes#Zote

[last inlet]

it's in the order of 25 minutes

[stark birch]

and if you like masochism in your speedrun it's a ton of fun because you do Colo 1 with base nail and base fireball with only soul catcher ❤️

[vague jolt]

and if you like masochism in your speedrun
Quack 0 geo when

[stark birch]

and if you like a reasonable amount of masochism in your speedrun

[scenic stag]

trying to practice explosion pogo with no debug mod is the worst shit

[fallen forum]

trying to practice anything without debug mod sounds like the worst shit

[scenic stag]

yes it definitely is, my brain is too small to get the mod so I need to suffice without

[fallen forum]

😔

[haughty fossil]

i feel like the effort it takes to install debug is definitely worth not having to reset for epogo

[scenic stag]

you see I hate myself greatly

[stiff delta]

yea watch ax's tutorial if you are on 1221

[scenic stag]

so it's a win win

[stiff delta]

if you are on cp just get modinstaller and its just like 3 clicks

[scenic stag]

I'm on 1221 and I did try to use the video but I suck dick at file management and keep getting confused on files

[stiff delta]

F

[eager kayak]

Alright bois Imma start speedrunning any% nmg soon wish me luck!

[dapper cove]

i still haven't beaten wk rip

even with practicing for the past however many hours

[haughty fossil]

these are new splits

[steady lynx]

That's a very high success rate

[haughty fossil]

keep in mind this was only after the splits file that had 50/500 🥴

[steady lynx]

So you've improved since then, great work

[haughty fossil]

my point being even w/ as many hours as i've put into wk (lost count), im still only like 50% on them

[steady lynx]

I'm spoiled by AS and 112 WK, never really done the any% fight that much

I can't imagine I'd reach 30% success rate tho

[last inlet]

even just having shade soul makes the fight like 4x easier

[haughty fossil]

absolutely yes alprechim, because you're not really min/maxing for perfection, you're just happy to have a run that made it past greenpath

[steady lynx]

I've done the TE fight a few times and it's not too hard

Greenpath sucks, just like Soul Sanctum, Waterways, City, Hive, Kingdom's Edge... Actually the entire game

Except Dirtmouth

[last inlet]

greenpath annoys me bc i always think it should be super easy and it proceeds to not be easy

[steady lynx]

I've gotten more consistent at Greenpath lately but it's still hard

[haughty fossil]

yeah sly menuing is impossible

[last inlet]

yeah i think i've done like 10 hours of practising greenpath over the past week and it's still rough

[steady lynx]

shoptimization to save like .3 seconds

[haughty fossil]

i don't know who you're talking about

[last inlet]

cornifer?

[haughty fossil]

grimm is pretty cute too ig, could lose time just staring at him

[last inlet]

once he's back home

[steady lynx]

Whatever Brumm's other name is?

[haughty fossil]

nymm

[last inlet]

n(y)mms

[molten aurora]

Making progress learning all skills, I've learnt up to desolate dive and my first attempt took me 28 mins to get that far.

[haughty fossil]

i was tabbed out wtf

im proud of my alt-tab spam type ability smh

[thorn jasper]

wut are you talking about it's always been me

[low bramble]

casuals talking to slaurent in dirtmouth smh

[haughty fossil]

[last inlet]

slaurent lives in dirtmouth confirmed

[haughty fossil]

can't tell the difference tbh

[last inlet]

doxxing himself smh

[thorn jasper]

they give me pets and love, it's good

[onyx spade]

this is driving me insane

[twin swallow]

welcome to spellless

[onyx spade]

I think I might just do all skills

[digital jewel]

lmao

[neon island]

Wow, I applaud your patience

[leaden python]

is farming for longnail takes 16 minutes? 🥴

[haughty fossil]

pause buffering is generally recommended to make longnail baldur kill less analagous to literal hell

[onyx spade]

I may have died to false knight several times trying fury strats

[leaden python]

ah, that's very much understandable

I might or might not have done it too many times

[haughty fossil]

oh god i just realised now i have to learn fury fk

it's alright, still need to get kicked out of as tourney first

[thorn jasper]

*win the tourney

[twin swallow]

you have to win

[leaden python]

based on your performance you have a lot of matches ahead of yo Jamie

[twin swallow]

for the sake of the choccy

[haughty fossil]

darn

i do kinda want a double decker tbh

[last inlet]

is fury fk basically te fk but scary and without having to tank

[leaden python]

yeah exorax

you only need 8 hits to stagger and 5 to wake him up

[last inlet]

so not too bad but can go very badly wrong

i.e. dying

[thorn jasper]

if you get enough swings in, you can get him down before the rock-tantrum each phase

then it's comfy

[last inlet]

well yeah that's what i meant by like te

[thorn jasper]

ah ok

[last inlet]

since in that we get 9 before damage tank

[thorn jasper]

I thought you meant "actually killing fk"

but I misread it

[last inlet]

ah yeah mb i should've clarified

having to get 9 would be very spooky

since you have almost no room for error with that

[leaden python]

you can miss one of 8 hits and stagger him on 9

so you always have 1 hit of room for error

[last inlet]

yeah it sounds very doable tbh

just it can go wrong fast and badly

[leaden python]

fury fk is actually way easier than fury hornet or soul master if we take about 1xx fights

[last inlet]

yeah i can imagine

[leaden python]

I'd say that Hornet is the hardest one with fury

[molten aurora]

25 mins to deso dive 🙂 I really need to learn the rest of the run, but I just wanna play lmao

[last inlet]

considering at this point i get either 8 or 9 hits before damage tank almost every time and take... an embarrassing amount of damage to hornet

well thankfully we dont have to fight him with fury in 112

[dim flame]

Right now I'm trying to wrap my head around the minimum money needed and what it's all spent on for any%. Any general comments or tips about that?

[haughty fossil]

206 before gruz mom on 1221/220 on 1432, and then 2322 in city before king's stag

[dim flame]

Got it, I am on 1221

Well, I'll probably get it after watching though the any% video tutorial in pinned

Just takes a bit

Should be more concerned with just doing a run in general rather than min-maxing it

[stark birch]

I'm assuming you're learning this for the free src rekky bop but just in case you're under the impression this is the only spelless route: you can alternately farm geo in crossroads to buy lantern and get dreamshield to kill that baldur, which is several orders of magnitude easier to do imo

but given that you've got my splits/route except with longnail subbed in I'm assuming this is the plan lol

[onyx spade]

yeah I was mostly copying your route apart from getting longnail instead

just doing this for fun though, I've done this casually with dreamshield and wanted to try longnail

[stark birch]

you have a very warped sense of fun; I love it

[onyx spade]

spelless is fun, apart from the baldur kill

[snow dome]

How does this actually work?

[haughty fossil]

press right, press pause on the correct frame, hold left, unpause and slash

reduces turnaround time, kind of like the socd cleaner but adds additional time to space out the inputs

theoretically socd cleaner would be optimal

[normal aspen]

Any dpadders in chat

[haughty fossil]

if you are capable of doing claw grip and pressing nail at the correct time then you just deserve free rekky tbh

[distant dome]

I want to use d pad

[snow dome]

I should just download SOCD cleaner at this point

[haughty fossil]

we mean using dpad to override analog input, which allows for an instant turnaround

similar to what the SOCD cleaner does on keyboard

dpad is also fully valid though, to make that clear

all input methods are fine (apart from RT attack according to the haters )

[thorn jasper]

I switched from analog controller to full on keyboard. I'm never going back for this game. I was too bad at analog to be precise in my movement

[haughty fossil]

how do you switch to half keyboard

[distant dome]

I think using the analog stick makes pogo and up slash harder at certain moments

[haughty fossil]

i find 4 directional movement very sometimes, which is why i don't really have much desire to switch to dpad/kb

though i test mods by playing w/ keyboard because cba to plug in controller and i am not actually the worst somehow

lots of people do

[distant dome]

I do

[haughty fossil]

iirc fire does? might be wrong about that, been a while since i've seen his input display

aw

[ionic sparrow]

fire is dpad

[normal aspen]

Allie does

[thorn jasper]

what is pest? 👀

[haughty fossil]

i do not rc

[normal aspen]

Vys used to

Pre sure sour does

[haughty fossil]

pest is a hollow knight speedrunner

[normal aspen]

I used to

[ionic sparrow]

celeste* runner

[distant dome]

I forgot who got the 32:55 on any%

[ionic sparrow]

tyvm

[haughty fossil]

vys uses smashbox now

which is basically a kb with bigger buttons + hw socd cleaning

[thorn jasper]

the same pest who's messages surround Avian's

[distant dome]

Oh cool

I have no idea who any hollow knight runners are

I know skurry and fireborn

[thorn jasper]

I just thought it was funny

[haughty fossil]

is that slaurent (he/him) legendary abyss climb IL runner? omg hi 😳

[thorn jasper]

[haughty fossil]

u

[distant dome]

Hi

[thorn jasper]

the people with blue and cyan names 😄

(and some green and orange names)

[haughty fossil]

hey some people have orange names

there we go

[hearty adder]

Hk runners are all pretty cute ngl

[thorn jasper]

(and some pink names)

[haughty fossil]

some have pink names too ig

darn

[thorn jasper]

🐌

[distant dome]

Green names?

[thorn jasper]

green names are modding staff, i.e. people who do the code to mod the game

some of them are speedrunners or have done speedruns

[distant dome]

I hate mantises now

I have died to a mantis so many times on mantis claw split

I should just get good

[cursive jacinth]

[haughty fossil]

im trying ok

[distant dome]

Me

[cursive jacinth]

aw :)

[distant dome]

I like all these emotes

[jaunty anvil]

[distant dome]

Too bad I dont have nitro because fuck that it's a rip off

[haughty fossil]

too bad it breaks the speedgaming bot so i don't get the server invites

[distant dome]

Btw why do people jump off the platform in the dream nail section

[jagged vault]

Seer spawns faster the second time

The timer pauses in game timer when reloading the room

So it ends up saving around 1 second loadless on 1221

^

[thorn jasper]

what about schy? 💙

[haughty fossil]

also does not save time on cp by the btw

[distant dome]

So I shouldn't jump off

[haughty fossil]

on current patch no

on 1221 yes

[onyx spade]

finally

[jagged vault]

LFG

[distant dome]

Btw is that possible on cp

[onyx spade]

yup this was CP

[haughty fossil]

cp is actually optimal for spelless because of the fun current patch interaction between spore shroom and thk

[hearty adder]

Spelless peepoArrive

[jaunty anvil]

i wanna see this

[distant dome]

1.5?

[haughty fossil]

which can be summarised as: thk straight up dies of mesothelioma

[onyx spade]

the first time I did spelless I didn't realise spore shroom was broken

[stiff delta]

1.5.

[jaunty anvil]

is it ????

[distant dome]

Theres a 1.5

[jaunty anvil]

video plz

[hearty adder]

I actually watch the clip of your run killing thk with spore shroom a lot, it's so fkn funny

[grizzled maple]

1.5 is the beta

[jaunty anvil]

@distant dome ye TC is making a bug fix patch RN

[grizzled maple]

Steam only for now

Check #hk-announcements for info

[distant dome]

Steam only good

[jaunty anvil]

im facing screen freeze issues now in 1221 and i keep finding ppl online w the same problem but not finding any solutions

[haughty fossil]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/901769744?t=01h23m35s

[jaunty anvil]

thanku jamie

[hearty adder]

Who would win: The vessel containing the infection, or a funny mushroom

[distant dome]

I hope I complete a run first

[hearty adder]

1.5 is taking out what little cp has left

[grizzled maple]

Fixed dashmaster

Its adding more than its taking. Im fine with it

Theres a lot more than one

[onyx spade]

LMAO the spore shroom

just skip 3rd phase

[grizzled maple]

Theres one sanctum and a few grub jars

Yes I know you meant that

[jaunty anvil]

IT FIXES DASHMASTER AYYY

[grizzled maple]

Math tested a 112 run and didnt note any changes to the run. That was the first beta patch though

[distant dome]

It takes away Epogo and QGA doesn't it

[haughty fossil]

epogo was already taken (to some extent)

[grizzled maple]

Those are not glitches TC has no intention of patching them

[distant dome]

Oh then what glitches are used in cp

[grizzled maple]

Mostly the same as any other NMG category

Just some things dont work

Like dnail cancels on grave warriors

[haughty fossil]

where be my cp differences pasta in the any% route

[distant dome]

What?

[grizzled maple]

They have a backwalk

[distant dome]

[jaunty anvil]

huh??

[haughty fossil]

apparently they've never been shifting into the second phase of the fight where the 2 fight together either

[grizzled maple]

Yeah I guess

[hallow orchid]

It's more a zoom

[grizzled maple]

Its a short step back

[distant dome]

Will 1.5 ruin the route for console nmg any%

[ionic sparrow]

its a bad attack is what it is

[hearty adder]

No

[grizzled maple]

It won't change anything to our knowledge except the quick kill on crystal guardian

[hearty adder]

At least no so far, I doubt they'll change anything super big anyways

[grizzled maple]

That is getting patched and its the only major thing that impacts runs so far

[distant dome]

Cool I'm not worried anymore

[hearty adder]

1432 will remain optimal for nkg%

[jaunty anvil]

TC should add a launch option that lets u open ur inventory in the air

[haughty fossil]

tc should log back into the steam dev account and add 1221 as a beta option

[grizzled maple]

At LEAST 1221

[jaunty anvil]

plzz

[distant dome]

Well I'm gonna practice more

[hallow orchid]

any% watchers on 1.5 will probably be a bit different, not necessarily slower. But most importantly they fixed dashmaster so we'll route it in to every current patch route

[distant dome]

What about dashmaster was broken

[jaunty anvil]

basically if u press down even slightly it would result in a down dash

[leaden python]

lol maybe my early glowing womb spike tunnel reroute will become viable

[jaunty anvil]

which was rlly jank n annoying when pogo dashing

im assuming the fix is like

[hallow orchid]

vali just run marissa audience for practice and you can do it on 1.4

[jaunty anvil]

instead of down dash when holding where the down slash zone is

[leaden python]

I can do it on 1.4 already, but other people wouldn't listen to me 😔

[jaunty anvil]

u hav 2 hold down mor like where the look down spot is

down enough so if u held it u wouldnt walk / drift

[long sky]

I have a question for cp is gate wall cling storage worth it?

[leaden python]

not really

it doesn't give you the fun speedy slidy thingie, it only refreshes your walljump

There is only like a couple places where it's even usable and still counts as no major glitches

[long sky]

Ok thanks

[rigid bison]

what's the equivalent of alt+enter on macOS?

i dont wanna play fullscreen and i can't interact with the fullscreen option :/

[onyx spade]

command+F I think

[rigid bison]

tysm

worked

[quiet saddle]

Does debug mod count for steam achievements but 1221 doesn't? Super unimportant question; just find it weird how I have some achievements but not others

[haughty fossil]

mods count achievements, 1221 should too

[quiet saddle]

Hm, odd.

I didn't get any achievements for beating the game in like 2h30-ish

[quiet saddle]

2nd clear worked; no clue why.

[scenic stag]

hey I have a question does the blue program have any input delay or any case of no reg?

because I feel like it eats my inputs sometimes

[jagged vault]

There is very very minimal input delay

I switch back and forth between current patch and 1221 recently and i don’t feel like i need to readjust

[stiff delta]

blue program 🙂

[scenic stag]

no it's completely fine don't worry about it

it is very helpful

[jagged vault]

As for input eating, in my months of using it i haven’t observed it to happen, but maybe i’m just lucky isk

*idk

[scenic stag]

it's probably just me being a fucking dumbass and not pressing the button correctly

[haughty fossil]

its probably just hk

if you have worse perf on 1221 then you can expect worse inputs too

[jagged vault]

Yeah hollow knight itself is not good with inputs at all

So it might be that

[thorn jasper]

make sure vsync is off while you're at the main menu

[jaunty anvil]

hey im thinking of trying to do a spelless run any reason why it is done on current patch

@haughty fossil

[haughty fossil]

because i can't downpatch

and quack is an epic cp memer

also spore shroom thk comes to mind

1221 probably loses like a minute or something crazy to thk, haven't bothered to time it out

[jaunty anvil]

huh ok

u cant downpatch ?

[haughty fossil]

bad pc

1221 bad version

[jaunty anvil]

dam

[haughty fossil]

combine for a grand total of 80fps

[normal aspen]

cursed

[jaunty anvil]

kinda same atm but instead of

[stiff delta]

1221 bad version and this is coming from someone who plays on a laptop

[stark birch]

imagine wanting to downpatch

[jaunty anvil]

i just fkn

my 1221 freezes

n i hav no clue how 2 fix

[true palm]

1221 is not potato friendly, the reason for no spell runs on Current Patch is because baldurs are easier to cheese kill iirc

[haughty fossil]

? i, a spelless runner, am not aware of this

the only reason cp could be faster is because of spore shroom shredding thk making up for garbo nail0 damage

[true palm]

arent 60fps baldur kills easier on current patch? i thought the hitbox was different

[onyx spade]

I'm making progress - 3 hits within a minute and a half 👀

[haughty fossil]

try going for rehits when you get a successful hit

[onyx spade]

wait that works?

[haughty fossil]

you can occasionally get 2 for the price of one

yeah just barely

[onyx spade]

oh crap

[haughty fossil]

can't chain them forever though

[onyx spade]

I can't react fast enough though

also this pausing strat is OP

[haughty fossil]

i use a """consistent""" setup and just always go for the hit

essentially goes: stand right at edge of aggro range > press right + pause > hold left > unpause, nail, nail

i'll see if i can record it but 5am jamie is not very gamer

[onyx spade]

I'll try 2 nail hits now

goddammit I killed him and instead of closing I saved and quit

guess I gonna start a new file

[haughty fossil]

took me way too long

[onyx spade]

ah I see

[haughty fossil]

im using a visual cue on the ground trying to line up the right side of the sprite to a ground marker when i pause, you can see it on the successful attempt

then just buffer a nail input and you get a second hit

[onyx spade]

yeah I was using that too

my turn

[haughty fossil]

mfw got a hit second try and forgot to do the second nail because i had no intention of actually hitting it

[onyx spade]

I can actually run spelless now

ty for your help jamie

[haughty fossil]

ur welcome, good luck w/ the bops