speedrunning

[hasty aurora]

Now I only need to wait around 2 weeks to get a better pc cause my current one is a brick and a half so ye

Thank u all for the helpful tips and info it's really appreciated

[sick raven]

That rank doesn't exist.

[hasty aurora]

What ranks are there?

[meager current]

speedrun racer

randomizer racer

[hasty aurora]

?rank speedrun racer

[sick raven]

@hasty aurora, you joined Speedrun Racer.

[hasty aurora]

Thanks

[meager current]

btw speedrun racer is if you wanna race other people

[hasty aurora]

Im up for it

[quiet saddle]

How do I turn on the light in the dark room in debug mode?

[digital jewel]

just move to the bottom of the dark section

using noclip

[thorn jasper]

I press the 'toggle hero vignette' or something like that. it's not full light but it works

[thorn jasper]

....what?

[digital jewel]

don't they mean the spire dark room?

if it was a regular dark room you'd just give yourself lantern

to practice

[thorn jasper]

ohhhh if they do then my answer is irrelevant

[quiet saddle]

Yea, I mean spire dark room

[thorn jasper]

show hitboxes is also useful

[digital jewel]

yep the light triggers on when you go up the normal way from the closed door

so just go down there to hit that trigger

[thorn jasper]

if you hate the dark room like me, and you happen to be doing all skills, you can do this instead: #resources message

[quiet saddle]

I generally don't mind the dark room, as a super scrub

I just do an extra dash so I'm for sure on the right wall and move up from there

[quiet saddle]

Oh nice, how do I do this?

That'd prob be good for boss fight practice

[thorn jasper]

if you have the new debugmod from #resources , it's built-in to that. otherwise you'll need a separate mod called Showhitboxes. which you can probably find in the google drive

[quiet saddle]

I have the one from fireb0rn's videos

Oh wait so we have persistent save states now??? :O

[thorn jasper]

yes because cerpin is amazing

[quiet saddle]

Dude, that's hype af

I gotta go re-do my debug mod I guess haha

[thorn jasper]

the very same cerpin that is commentating https://www.twitch.tv/SpeedGaming6 rn

[quiet saddle]

Hopefully the learning curve isn't too bad

[thorn jasper]

it depends on a new modding api from #resources as well (the Assembly-CSharp.dll)

and then if the saves can't load, others have had success with this settings file: #speedrunning message

[quiet saddle]

Hm, is there a readme for setting that all up? The github read me doesn't mention the assembly-csharp.dll file

[thorn jasper]

not at the moment

[quiet saddle]

Oh wait I'm a huge dumbass

The first line mentions that file

[sullen scarab]

Hello ! I have a small question.. I want to speedrun hk in the 1.22 version but i have to downpatch the game

Does it corrupt my games files ?

[thorn jasper]

the only danger is if you open a current patch save on 1.2.2.1. otherwise the save files are fine. you can back them up to be safe

[sullen scarab]

okay thanks for the response !

[last inlet]

i'd recommend backing them up just in case you do accidentally open up a cp file that you don't want to lose

[sullen scarab]

yeah ill put them in a folder i think

[quiet saddle]

@thorn jasper Do you have the new debug mode?

[haughty fossil]

it's in #resources

[dim flame]

Yo, I'm having trouble activating the menu drop when I start the game - do you know what might be causing this?

I can use it fine in other locations

[low bramble]

are you on current patch?

if not, you have to open the menu first

[dim flame]

No it should be 1221

[digital jewel]

you don't get control until you open the menu and close it

[haughty fossil]

(you can check this on the title screen BTW)

[dim flame]

Yep, it's definitely 1221

So I'm still confused. Once the room loads I try to mash open the menu and it doesn't open.

[low bramble]

menu or inventory?

[dim flame]

I was mashing inventory - I understand now

Open menu to gain movement, move right, open inventory to move fast, then close it before hitting the ground

[low bramble]

you got it!

[quiet saddle]

Hm, I don't see anything about save states in the GlobalSettings.json file, for 1221

Maybe I gotta try that settings things

[haughty fossil]

might need to delete globalsettings, launch the game and trybagain

[knotty vigil]

ma ta i chiala

your mum have hair cut

like puya

[thorn jasper]

English only please

[knotty vigil]

ok

[stiff delta]

ok

[haughty fossil]

[thorn jasper]

<@&283547423706447872>

[ionic cargo]

<@&283547423706447872>

[stuck raptor]

kek bye

[stiff delta]

<@&283547423706447872>

turbo snail

[haughty fossil]

triple mods ping

[thorn jasper]

I think they misspelled "I have a big duck"

[haughty fossil]

darn

[stiff delta]

ducks!

[formal bough]

and duck you

[haughty fossil]

lost a valuable member of #sr-offtopic

[spice cradle]

[potent mountain]

@ speedrunners

[ionic cargo]

gasp

[haughty fossil]

@ Zaliant omg hi 😳

[knotty vigil]

xd

[whole meadow]

😔

[ionic cargo]

big ducks, bottom text

[haughty fossil]

ref. slaurent message

[thorn jasper]

(the big duck?)

[desert kiln]

this is the best fps my computer can record lol:

[jagged vault]

have you tried adjusting the settings?

for example, lowering resolution etc

[desert kiln]

yeah, it’s at 720p rn

might have to go down to 360p. juuuust maybe

oh wait, do you mean the resolution of the video? i could do that

[digital jewel]

jamie has a great guide for optimising obs settings

https://pastebin.com/z5qVqnSQ

[silk lion]

cring

[low bramble]

?

[last inlet]

banned

[digital jewel]

it might not be supported

if it's very old

ah yeah laptop gpus also sometimes don't

looks like it's not on the mx350 from a google search

[desert kiln]

Oh should I be using OBS?

[digital jewel]

what are you using?

obs is free and highly configurable

so I'd recommend it

[desert kiln]

Twitch Studio, bc it was already installed

[digital jewel]

that's literally the first time I've heard of this

[haughty fossil]

same here

[dull lion]

Yeah wtf is twitch studio?

[low bramble]

jamie what are you doing here get in commentary Kappa

[desert kiln]

It’s like obs but you can hit a button and it immediately starts streaming to twitch

[haughty fossil]

not really

[digital jewel]

you can do that on obs

[haughty fossil]

amazing

[desert kiln]

oh cool

[ionic sparrow]

@ ax2u take notes

[ionic cargo]

tl;dr download obs

[haughty fossil]

while ax is taking notes,

[desert kiln]

lol ok

[short spire]

ok thanks guys i think i found it, this is the button i should press before doing runs right?

[meager current]

no

thats the button you dont want to press

like ever

[distant dome]

Wait I never upgrade the nail in a speedrun do i

[urban dove]

In most speed runs you won’t get to

[hearty adder]

You can if you find it easier, but optimally in most runs you don't

[distant dome]

Speedruns are hard

Unless its menderbug%

[hearty adder]

It takes time and effort but it'll get easier with time

[distant dome]

Menderbug% is pure luck

[dusk portal]

The lengh of the category you are running impacts your execution as well

[distant dome]

Console any% nmg

[dusk portal]

Having trouble on Watcher Knights?

[distant dome]

Haven't got there yet I'm still learning

I'm on mantis pogo

[dusk portal]

Mantis pogo is hard

But I don't think "small" improvements such as this one are important when starting speedrunning

[strong vessel]

To be fair, mantis pogo is a little bit more than small

Maybe medium

Well, when combined with explosion pogo at least

[distant dome]

Epogo is what gets me I always hit the ceiling

Isnt shade skip after mantis claw

[ionic sparrow]

in any% yes

[old bloom]

im tryna learn the spore pogo but every time i try it blows up on contact
what am i doing wrong lol

[last inlet]

could you send a video?

it's a little hard to go off a description of what's happening

[old bloom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uztaN_toC_U

[last inlet]

as in of what you're doing

[old bloom]

oh uh i can try gimme a sec

[last inlet]

if you can't that's fine it's just easier to spot things in a video

[old bloom]

uhh video isnt going well it just feels like every time i try to pogo a spore it explodes instead of actually pogos

[balmy isle]

anyone that could explain how submitting runs from console works? is there guidelines explaining where i should be splitting?

[grizzled maple]

none of that matters except start and stop

which are listed in the rules

[next furnace]

Hi everyone! I'm new on speedrunning the game and I have a question about some setup things. I want to record from my Switch and I already setup my capture card and Live Splitter with OBS. The problem is there's a few frames of delay between the action and the OBS recording. Could this be a problem when splitting with Live Split?

[true palm]

everything is recorded rta anyway so probably not

[bronze anchor]

Splits are just helpful for tracking your progress/pace on sections, they don't matter for the leaderboard, if you check the pins of #any-percent-nmg there's a comsob sheet w/ the common split points for your personal reference though

[true palm]

@next furnace worst case scenario they retime it

[balmy isle]

ah i see it now i somehow missed that category rules tab and only saw the game rules 😂 thanks

[next furnace]

What's rta?

[true palm]

real time

theres no autosplitter

the fact that you have a capture card and livesplit means you're already more prepared than most, so i wouldnt sweat a few frames of delay

[dusk portal]

Real Time, meaning that loads do not stop the timer

[next furnace]

Thank you all! I want to begin with Pantheon 5 speedruns and eventually Any% later on

[dusk portal]

GL then, P5 is tough, it's so easy to mess up

[next furnace]

I know I know, but it's super easy to practice thanks to the Hall of Gods, considering i'm on console

[grizzled maple]

well only if youre doing fury strats

the 112 charm build is pretty consistent if you want to start with that

[next furnace]

What charm build is it? I use Long Nail, Strength, Shaman Stone and Quickslash

[true palm]

doesnt 112 use carefree melody?

oh wait no they pick it up for the percent nvm

[grizzled maple]

112% uses shaman, quick slash, strength, and grubsong

grubsong allows you to face tank and do more damage with spells, ie one cycling grimm

[next furnace]

Oh, got it

I'll try with my regular setup and see my avarage time first

Then i'll go with optimized builds

[true palm]

you get an extra notch so make sure to equip gathering swarm

[elder gale]

So splits I died today
Vengfull spirit, mothwing cloack x too many, mantis claw, bluelake (missed shade skip), dash slash x2, shade soul, desolite dive, kings station x 2, desending dark, ancient basin

[true palm]

all skills?

[elder gale]

Yeah

Point of that was I really died a lot and I wasnt once past soul Master without atleast +2minutes lmao

[true palm]

just need more practice

[elder gale]

Yeah

And also I think it was kinda bad day or something. Im usually more consistant with sanctum

Greenpath has been always hard tho

[old bloom]

any tips? idk what i’m doing wrong

I do have nail upgrades, does that affect it?

[elder gale]

I mean thats also wrong explosive

[last inlet]

it shouldnt change anything

[old bloom]

it was just an example, its the same type of entity

[true palm]

do you have longnail or mop

[old bloom]

i did for that clip, but it was also happening when i didnt

[last inlet]

i believe that's a cp thing, where on 1221 you pogo->get out of the way->pogo explosion

[true palm]

pogo the side of the spore

if you pogo the spore head on it explodes

[old bloom]

so i gotta just barely hit it?

[last inlet]

wait is that actually the trigger? the more you know

[true palm]

no so if you look at emrays video

[last inlet]

yeah if you set up like the video

[true palm]

you'll notice the entire setup

is to perfectly move to the side

and pogo an exact spot

watch where they pogo the spore

[last inlet]

you pogo then use the explosion dboost to get enough height

[old bloom]

mk

ill try that

ty

[lucid stirrup]

you don't have to pogo any exact spot on the spore

the thing with the spores is that you can only hit them without them exploding when they are fizzing right before they explode

[true palm]

oh

that makes sense

[last inlet]

ok so i was still wrong but differently to how i thought

once again the more you know

[true palm]

either way the point stands

[lucid stirrup]

the setup we use for epogo makes the spore get there at the perfect time where it is fizzing

[true palm]

they werent setting up and it wasnt working

[lucid stirrup]

you can still pogo it, it will just explode when you hit it

and if the explosion does hit you, there is also time to still pogo the explosion

[last inlet]

only on 1221 tho

(the last message)

[true palm]

point being this doesnt work because its not setup right

they're complaining about it automatically exploiding

[lucid stirrup]

ah, yea, its just that you gotta wait for it to start fizzing

impossible any% taught me some obscure things

[true palm]

i imagine

[old bloom]

AHAHAHAH I DID IT

[last inlet]

nice!

[old bloom]

ok now to get it regularly

then i gotta figure out how to beat watcher knights and thk with no nail upgrades...

[last inlet]

if you need to in order to start, using slightly easier routes is still a good way to learn the route without dealing with really high difficulty spikes until you want those better times

[true palm]

ie nail 1 strats

[last inlet]

see: what most people do with qg/deepnest route

[old bloom]

can you reword what youre saying

[last inlet]

doing easier strats so you can finish runs isn't necessarily a bad thing

[true palm]

theres a route for beginners where you get nail 1, and theres a route to avoid queens garden acid skip by going through deepnest

[last inlet]

because it'll allow you to get a better feel for the run as a whole and let you practise the rest of the run without constantly resetting to wk for example

[old bloom]

ahhh, i did that was my last strat, i got 2 nail upgrades and beat it in like 1:43

[true palm]

nail one loses significantly less time

[old bloom]

maybe i should drop it to 1 upgrade and try that

[last inlet]

yeah i'd recommend trying with 1 nail upgrade

[snow dome]

The pale ore is a huge commitment

[old bloom]

i also went out of my way to get MOP which cost a lot of time

[snow dome]

What patch are you playing on? Current or 1221?

[old bloom]

i go for the peak of hallownest one, it only took abt 3 mins out of thway

[last inlet]

there's a lot of different approaches to learning hard parts of runs

[old bloom]

latest switch patch

[true palm]

for nail1, pick up the journal right above mantis village, and then pick up hallownest seal in city of tears rafters left of lemm, and sell to lemm before watcher knights

[snow dome]

Drats.

[old bloom]

why?

[last inlet]

there's what i do with most things which is to bite the bullet and just die to qga/nail 0 wk for ages until you learn or you can take safer options at first

both are perfectly valid approaches and suit different people

[snow dome]

There's a really quick detour you can make on 1221 to get Shade Soul that got patched out

That's my go to

[old bloom]

ya thats kiinda what i was planning on is just grinding out wk with no upgrades until i can do it, i figure if i throw myself at the wall enough times ill get it eventually

[true palm]

its not that quick, getting 800 geo and dash slash is quite the detour

[last inlet]

i think it's like 7-8 minutes for a significantly easier wk and thk?

[snow dome]

Moss Knights and the extra quick Seal cover you

[old obsidian]

or also consider running All Skills, it's a lot of fun

[last inlet]

also the mantis arena is so much easier with shade soul

[true palm]

ye but you have to sell before wk, and go to kingdoms edge, and go to left cot, not in that order, but imo if you want shade soul run all skills

[last inlet]

if you want shade soul specifically run te since as just abuses ddark

[old bloom]

all skills sounds fun but also much longer, and my only method of recording and posting runs is through my phone

[last inlet]

that being said dont run te

[true palm]

if you need shade soul to beat watcher knights dont run te

[quiet saddle]

Is there a small period after grabbing a wall with mantis claw that you can walljump but not C dash?

[true palm]

no but you cant cdash upper sections of the wall

if you're talking about qga

[quiet saddle]

Yea, I'm talking qga

[true palm]

your eye should touch the acid for qga

[last inlet]

yeah you cant cdash high on that wall

[quiet saddle]

I prob will be doing deepnest for a good while to start out but I'm just testing it out

[true palm]

when you're cdashing

[quiet saddle]

Ok, that's prob what's messing me up.

[snow dome]

It's not that much longer, to be fair.

[last inlet]

yeah you should have the very bottom of your eye slightly in the acid

[snow dome]

The fastest times have a large difference, but the slower times are much closer together. If that makes sense.

[quiet saddle]

I know qga is beyond me at the moment but I'm hoping my melee thumbs help me out with it a bet :)

[last inlet]

any lower and the walljump on the other end will be much harder

[true palm]

to practice qga, turn on invincibilty, and you can go in the acid and practice on the qga wall cdashing without falling and jumping at the end

[last inlet]

i mean i started with qga route from my second run onwards

[quiet saddle]

For real exorax?

Damn

[last inlet]

it's not necessarily that it's impossible for new runners

just a bit of a roadblock

[quiet saddle]

It seems really tough.

[true palm]

even if you fall 3 times and have to heal because of it its still faster

[thorn jasper]

I wouldn't do that, because you might practice too low

[quiet saddle]

Yea I just think I'll fail it like 15 times lmao, if not more

[last inlet]

yeah within like a few weeks i could generally get it within not dying of health

[quiet saddle]

Esp considering it's gonna be fairly deep into a run

[last inlet]

infinite hp is better than invincibility for practice

[quiet saddle]

Do yall use the dash setup or just walk off?

[true palm]

for starting out learning qga, i think its good, and then turning on infinite hp

dash setup personally

[last inlet]

minihop off -> dash into wall

i find is generally the most consistent

[true palm]

i was looking into a low% reroute and timing some things so i learned dashless, and its significantly harder and less consistent

[quiet saddle]

Yea, fireb0rn recommended the dash setup over walking off for consistency

[last inlet]

the optimal strat is clearly the wallslash into cdash setup

[quiet saddle]

Rofl, just got it first try

[true palm]

im pretty sure all the top runners go for dash setup

[quiet saddle]

Sick

That eye thing was the trick

[true palm]

now grind it on infinite hp

[lucid stirrup]

dash, this one is definitely a dash

[quiet saddle]

My dash was way too high, so my C dash input would always just not work

[last inlet]

i find with qga i either get it like 3 times in a row or fail it for 10 minutes straight

[quiet saddle]

Yea, I'm on inf hp now

[lucid stirrup]

no dash is extremely cursed

[quiet saddle]

I don't like invincibilty for qga practice so far

[true palm]

^

no its just for getting started

not for actual practice

[quiet saddle]

Oh yea, no I'm fine with inf hp I think

[true palm]

actual practice you need the acid feedback

[lucid stirrup]

also, yes, there is, but only if you dash into a wall, because you can wall jump out of a dash, but you cannot start a cdash mid dash

[old obsidian]

it's 90% muscle memory (dont quote me on that

[quiet saddle]

That eye thing was literally the key for me

I did not see just how high I was

I was treating the acid like the surface was death, when it's more like the bottom 4/5 is death

[lucid stirrup]

knowing if you are too high is helpful because you can just back up and try again if your dash is not the right height

[last inlet]

yeah

you'll be much more consistent in not dying if you can recognise when your cdash wont work bc you're too high

[true palm]

that being said, queens gardens and qga are both difficult, so if you are implementing nail1 or any other comfort strategies focus on getting rid of those first

[quiet saddle]

I'm mostly just following fireb0rn's guide to the letter

[last inlet]

yeah qg should be the last 'advanced strat' you implement

[lucid stirrup]

thats a very valid approach

[quiet saddle]

I don't think I'm doing a ton of comfort strats

[lucid stirrup]

id never speedran a game, i just took the main route first and lost a ton of time on qg

[true palm]

the problem with qg is you need to double damage tank devouts and hazard warp, so if you get hit more than once during the split you need to heal

[lucid stirrup]

until i didn't

[quiet saddle]

I'm doing beginner ones like damage tank explosion pogo, triple mantis and such

[lucid stirrup]

thats also why qg is considered the hardest split

[quiet saddle]

But I never upgrade my nail

[true palm]

then you should be fine

[last inlet]

damage tank epogo is barely slower and basically just makes mantis village more risky

[lucid stirrup]

yeah safe strats are fine, safe routes are another thing

[last inlet]

and 3 mantis is only a bit easier than 2

[lucid stirrup]

correction, 2 mantis is a bit easier than 3

[last inlet]

so yeah you're probably fine to go for qg route

[true palm]

i think 3 mantis is actually harder personally

[lucid stirrup]

because 3 you are just praying

[quiet saddle]

I plan to switch to 2 mantis really soon

[lucid stirrup]

yea thats good kishoto

[quiet saddle]

I just don't want to pile my plate too high ya know

[last inlet]

maybe i'm just bad at setting up 2 mantis

[true palm]

2 mantis is 100% consistent, 3 mantis is just rng

[last inlet]

i need to learn that

[lucid stirrup]

3 mantis is just the easiest thing to do when you haven't taken time out to learn and practice double dash properly yet

[quiet saddle]

Yea but if you screw up any part of 2 mantis, backing it up is a lot harder than 3 mantis

At least for me

[last inlet]

i spent like half an hour trying to get it once and couldnt but that's probably bc i sucked

[quiet saddle]

Yea, I've hit 2 mantis enough to know it's not too hard

I just don't plan to use it in runs yet

I want my first run to be no reset, so I'm trying to not pile it up with too much hard stuff

[true palm]

if you screw up 2 mantis, get them to the left, dash to the right, wait for them to come after you, and then you can pogo off of them as they retreat back left

[quiet saddle]

This works 100% of the time?

Cuz if so, I'm putting that in my notes

[true palm]

like 90%

[quiet saddle]

Good enough for me

In the notes it goes

[true palm]

sometimes they wont cooperate

i run low%, so i do dashless mantis pogo every day

[quiet saddle]

Are you saying flying AI in this game isn't perfectly accurate?

No way :o

;)

[true palm]

no its mostly their attack timings

they can decide to attack instantly or wait even if you're in aggro range

[quiet saddle]

Yo but for real, manipulating flying enemies feels so counter intuitive

[true palm]

its mostly about learning their aggro circle

theres a specific distance they want to be from you

if you're too far they come closer and if you're too close they run

[lucid stirrup]

flying AI:

if close -> fly away
if far -> fly closer

[quiet saddle]

Yea, they oscillate too right

[lucid stirrup]

so you go really far away to get them to follow, then go pogo them before they realize you are close

[quiet saddle]

Not consistently but they def adjust heights

[lucid stirrup]

yea i think sop

[true palm]

the inconsistency comes mostly from attacking

sometimes they attack instantly if you're in range

and sometimes they kinda just dont care

[quiet saddle]

So their height adjustment is based on your distance too then?

They don't just random heights at all?

[true palm]

they oscillate a little

but they hover at consistent heights

they like being a certain height above you

[quiet saddle]

Ok, so I must be manipulating them with my jumps then

Good to know

[true palm]

avoid jumping when you need to backup

[lucid stirrup]

double dash can also be done safer with 2 pogos on the 2nd one

only loses like .5

[thorn jasper]

sometimes my backup involves pogoing the 2nd one a few times and ending up on the right platform

then I awake in a stupor. how did I get here

[lucid stirrup]

that also works, especially when they attack at weird times

[quiet saddle]

Yea, Idc if I end up on the right/left at this point

I just want to consistently not have to take the right route

[true palm]

i feel, ending up right for me involves a single fireball skip for me, but having to go around is an automatic reset because thats two fireball skips and like a 30-40 second time loss

[mighty girder]

on this topic, if the leftmost mantis sometimes ends up to the left of that pillar, does that mean I'm slow?

[true palm]

yup

usually

[quiet saddle]

I still can't believe you run this shit dashless CC

[bronze anchor]

I've definitely done '2 mantis' by whiffing the left one and then just pogoing the right one 3x and ending up on the right side

(would not recommend this strategy)

[mighty girder]

I've seen people both dash immediately after hitting the switch OR dashing once they hit the ground

it's better to dash immediately right?

[haughty fossil]

i've definitely done "mantis skip skip" by missing the mantises then going around then falling again then going around again

[snow dome]

Generally, yes

[quiet saddle]

Oh Tami, I watched your PB the other day

You're 200th right?

[true palm]

that doent matter as much, imo, its mostly you're messing up before you even kill the first mantis

[haughty fossil]

dash immediately is for doubledash setip

[true palm]

you probably are dashing too late during the first fall

and aggroing the mantis on the wall too fast

[mighty girder]

you talking about my question right cynicism?

[true palm]

yup with it getting stuck in the pillar

[mighty girder]

I'm usually dashing asap when falling so I don't think that's it

[true palm]

its caused by aggroing it too early and getting it too low by not dashing in the air

[mighty girder]

if anything I dash too early and bonk before I clear the ceiling

[true palm]

the dash after the lever matters

if you bonk that also matters

[mighty girder]

yeah bonk is clearly not good lol

[true palm]

like you should never get it on the left pillar if you do it all right, but theres a lot of factors that CAN get it on the left side

the one thats MOST likely is not dashing immediately

another common one is hitting the lever too late

[mighty girder]

I think the part where I have the most variance is when I fireball the big guy

cuz you walk forward an awkward amount

[true palm]

all in all you should send a video and people can give pointers as to whats going wrong

[snow dome]

Err. I'm 63rd

[thorn jasper]

all skills or any%?

[snow dome]

Unless I'm misunderstanding

[quiet saddle]

For Any% NMG *

You're 63rd for all skills right?

[snow dome]

Oh. I'm 217th in any%, but I got a Pb in all skills the other day so thought you meant that. 😊

[quiet saddle]

Ohhh i see.

Yea, I can see why you thought that's what I meant

[haughty fossil]

running any%

running al2ba%

[quiet saddle]

Dude, that's crazy

[last inlet]

damn i've gone down 17 places on any% in like 2 weeks

[snow dome]

I'm off to bed now, but thanks for checking it out. 😊

[quiet saddle]

You were 200th like 2 weeks ago

[mighty girder]

ok I have a timestamp and it might be the funniest shit I've ever seen

[last inlet]

that's one hell of an active board

[quiet saddle]

Yea, I guess so

I didn't expect that much movement to happen so quickly

[true palm]

i submitted as like 190th and checked and im really low now like 207 or some stuff

[mighty girder]

https://youtu.be/uifbUNnVT28?t=695 I can tell that my lever was SUPER late

[last inlet]

yeah i was 195 when i submitted

[quiet saddle]

Who are these 17 heroes

[last inlet]

now 212

[haughty fossil]

smh there have been less than 20 submissions today wtf guys

[mighty girder]

but how was my timing on everything else?

[haughty fossil]

pb more

[true palm]

idk my goal is for my any% time to be higher than my low% so i will never run the category again

[last inlet]

yeah you're now 214

[true palm]

or if i do im not submitting

[last inlet]

why are we all so close in any%

[true palm]

because any% is a short category

[last inlet]

but on the boards the 3 people who just checked are within 5 placements

[true palm]

idk

[last inlet]

which is pretty unexpected for a board with 363 people

[true palm]

i think i could do a lot better in the category,considering my low% time is only one minute slower than any%

[last inlet]

i mean if i actually practised any% i would have a way better time

[true palm]

i think thats the problem

[last inlet]

but i'd prefer to practise te bc i prefer the category

[true palm]

because te is an alpha category

[last inlet]

exactly

[true palm]

idk to each their own, but i think our any% times represent average time before burnout

[last inlet]

probably tbh

at least specifically burnout from any%

[true palm]

yup, but if you enjoy the category run it, i think low% would probably bore like 3/5 of any% runners to death

speaking of which i need to grind before Battery takes over the category

[last inlet]

one of the things about any% is that it's very intimidating to get good bc it's so optimised

[true palm]

indeed, i think thats a problem for me

[last inlet]

whereas if you have a less run/harder category it's easier to feel like you're competing

[true palm]

another thing is im less movement oriented and more boss/skip oriented

[last inlet]

yeah i'd agree with that for me as well

[true palm]

i dont want to grind 2 hours to learn how to do do the vertical room in fungal wastest properly for instance

[last inlet]

like learning any% wk was one of the more fun parts imo even though it was a huge grind

[true palm]

^

[last inlet]

also fighting literally everything with shade soul is satisfying as hell

[true palm]

i got into speedrunning because of my casual rando run

finding a category that got to do so many cool skips was what inspired me to run

[last inlet]

nothing is a reasonable difficulty - every single boss in te after h1 seems to be either completely trivial (at least to survive) or insanely hard

like you kill half the warrior dreams in like 4 seconds and then die miserably to radiance for ages

it's great

[true palm]

yup

but its not as bad as 106% "pump em up with flukes"

[last inlet]

yeah true

[mighty girder]

ok I actually have 3 different mantis pogos on hand, with 3 different levels of success if anyone is willing help out with them

[last inlet]

triple hitting wk is one of the most satisfying things in any fight tbh

especially with shade soul it just feels so good to do

[civic hamlet]

I cannot for the life of me get my hands to press right before quickcast on the greenpath skips, i think it might be my binding preference making it harder for my hand, so what about y'all? what's your quick cast binding?

[last inlet]

kb or controller?

[civic hamlet]

KB, using defualt controls

it seems after like 3 hours, still just hit fireball before right every time

[last inlet]

i was gonna say left shift but my hands are in very non-default places

[low bramble]

i use left shift

[last inlet]

i'd say left ctrl if you wanna keep default binds

[low bramble]

with my ring finger

[last inlet]

l shift can work as well

[civic hamlet]

i shall try both, we don't talk about the time i tried using numpad 0 on right hand

[last inlet]

i've posted this before but the keybinds i use are

[haughty fossil]

dw everyone's bindings are bad and inferior to the power of RT attack

[last inlet]

which keeps roughly the feel of default but in a comfier position

[low bramble]

controller 🥴

[elder gale]

@civic hamlet download russian hacks. They help a lot

[mighty girder]

KB people having jump on your ring finger is whack, I'll say it

I know that's default but gosh is it weird

[civic hamlet]

i am so used to it tho

[last inlet]

i have jump on ring in celeste as well (:

[mighty girder]

yeah stick with what you're used to for sure

it just seems weird to me lol

[elder gale]

Jump with ring finger is easy

[last inlet]

fwiw i dont think i've ever seen anyone else move with okl;

[civic hamlet]

celeste farewell chapter was a nightmare for my fingers tho, the wavedashing got too hard lol, got cramps

[mighty girder]

I'm a controller player so I don't even have a stake in this LUL

[elder gale]

I play piano so im used to get my finger hurt

[last inlet]

wasd and arrow keys are both fairly common

[civic hamlet]

you get to do that dpad overrides joystick thing

unless that's console only

[last inlet]

controller/keyboard with socd cleaner can do that on pc

[distant dome]

ZNakos got a new pb by 3 minutes on his stream just now

[elder gale]

Socd cleaner rules

[last inlet]

i dont even use it

[elder gale]

Its amazingly good

[mighty girder]

I don't use the override thing on controller, Smash trained my hands for inputs like the turnarounds

[civic hamlet]

wait, what's socd

[haughty fossil]

if you hold right and press left you turn left

[mighty girder]

plus years and years of nolife videogaming

[last inlet]

tbh i probably should use socd cleaner but i kinda just learnt the fireball skips without

[elder gale]

Like especially for that first 1 fireball after baldur. I cant get it without socd but like 80% of time with socd cleaner

[civic hamlet]

is that allowed on kb?

or doesn't work?

[last inlet]

yep

[elder gale]

Yep

[thorn jasper]

it's in #resources

[haughty fossil]

specifically allowed because it's also possible w/ some weird grip on controller

[civic hamlet]

thank you for the information, i shall give this a go! <3

[elder gale]

It also makes things like hitting hornet, moving farther, and hitting again, much easier. Not just fireball skips

[mighty girder]

one thing you could do is simply practice the timing of the turnaround. The rhythm of the key presses themselves. I find it helps so that when you're in the air doing it for real, it feels natural

[elder gale]

Also grind skips so long that you can do 1 fireball so 2 fireball is going to be easier

Thats what i did one day

[civic hamlet]

i did hit the 2nd one with the 1 fireball, but only once

now i just gotta get the "LetGoAndPressRight" muscle memory outta here, but thank you this feels like 100% better to do

[last inlet]

does socd have custom keys now?

[elder gale]

Yeah but remember when doing 2 fireball that you need to release left between fireballs

[civic hamlet]

still says arbitrary bindings will be added later

wait really?

does it want to drop the 2nd input or something?

oh im dumb

dont mind me

you'd fireball left if it was how i just thought 🤦🏻‍♀️

[elder gale]

I mean maybe if you hold both directions its fine but for me its easiest to let go of both when the shootin first fireball and start holding left again when Sshooting second one

Becouse shooting lag is kinda big window to do anything with inputs you want

[civic hamlet]

i need to practice timing slashes after fireballs, im bad at that, but okay at the inverse

[long sky]

Hello everyone

How is everyone doing

[mighty girder]

swell, you?

[long sky]

I'm doing amazing chomps

Just pbed

[mighty girder]

NICE which category and what time?

[long sky]

Console any% xbox one and a new time of 55:27. 3 min faster than my last time

[mighty girder]

[long sky]

I have almost taken 6th place I'm off by 4 sec

Which can be easily fixed as I healed a lot in thk to nerves

I ended up having like a 5 min thk fight

[thorn jasper]

don't you know not to heal? see this hot tip

but seriously gg

(that wasn't a ping originally but looks like one after the edit)

[molten aurora]

After down-patching to 1.2.2.1, every time I save and quit I can't attack (bound to left click) until I actually open up key binds in the options, I don't change anything, I just need to open it and close it. I've deleted the windows registry folder multiple times, and that doesn't help. If I rebind attack to another key it works fine, it just doesn't seem to like left click, any one have any ideas?

[haughty fossil]

mouse binds bad

blue.exe good

[thorn jasper]

1.2.2.1 is bad at this with mouse bindings. the options are "continue to suffer" or "use epic blue.exe from #resources "

[haughty fossil]

#resources message

[jagged vault]

blue.exe works quite well for me

it's very responsive

so that when i play current patch without it

i feel almost no difference

[last inlet]

blue.exe works for blue

[thorn jasper]

look it's the namesake himself

[jagged vault]

pretty much 1221 doesn't recognize mouse binds

if you don't use the program, you have to manually rebind it every time you quit out which loses time ofc

if you're using blue.exe, just bind nail to h and have the program on when doing runs

your left clicks will be recognized as "h" and trigger your nail input

[molten aurora]

Haha, well that was easy, thanks guys. I don't really notice any latency which is nice.

[haughty fossil]

remember when there was a channel goal to get blue to fix it

[jagged vault]

yeah it's amazing

iflv

[haughty fossil]

scammed out of channel points

[jagged vault]

@ valignatev ur awesome

[molten aurora]

Now I'll just need to remember that my left click is also my h key now.

[jagged vault]

yeah it's a bit funny when you forget about the program

you start having random "h"s in every discord message

and leave a bunch of random hs in every channel's writing box when you swap channels

[thorn jasper]

hhhhhhhhhI don't know ifhhh I've ever sheen that befhore

[jagged vault]

yeah it's kinda funnyh

[thorn jasper]

hmmm vali added the process filter option to socd, I wonder if he'd want to do it for blue.exe?

[last inlet]

also blue shouldnt you be asleep

[quiet saddle]

Is there a safety bench for herrah/beast's den?

Better question: Can I use the hot spring bench in deepnest as a safety bench

[mighty girder]

yes there is and yes you can\

the one in beast's den is um... to the left lol

hard to describe

i think after the grab and before the last devout

you go down and left

[quiet saddle]

Ok cool, thanks

[mighty girder]

yo i was watching Adam's TE guide (super good btw) and he mentions like an invisible ceiling glitch, which I now realize I get almost every run in the False Knight room. Anyone know what causes that glitch?

[last inlet]

i'm not sure, my solution is basically just 'dont upslash the jumpy husk'

[mighty girder]

from the room before?

[last inlet]

yeah i think adam was saying that was related to it

like if you upslash it in a certain way you get the glitch

[mighty girder]

yeah i noticed that, was hoping for more info

[last inlet]

someone else probably knows exactly what it is

[hasty wing]

before i start speedrunning, does anyone have any tips?

because i want to get into speedrunning hk for fun

[normal aspen]

Everyone actually shares the same heaf

[last inlet]

check speedrun.com guides and pins

[hasty wing]

okok

[mighty girder]

Have fun is the most important tip 🙂

[jagged vault]

check the pins for some great resources to start out

[normal aspen]

So if an enemy bonks their head so do you

[jagged vault]

gl on your runs

[normal aspen]

Including the gate shutting on one of the husks

[hasty wing]

tyty

[normal aspen]

I try and just be at the peak of my jump or gking down when the gate shuts so there is no effect if it happens

[last inlet]

honestly i cant believe the explanation was genuinely that everyone just uses the same giant forehead

[mighty girder]

Ohhhh gotcha insomnia

ikr Exoax LOL

[ionic sparrow]

if the jumping husk hits this it randomly cancels your jump

jump before it hits this or upswing the husk so it hits the ceiling instead of the wall

[mighty girder]

good to know though

[quiet saddle]

@hasty wing I'm super new too! I started with this guide, cuz I wanted to learn Any% NMG and everyone said this was prob the best one: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfkLKB8O1Ff0-AApWYqqgFjMcMMVaW_JH

Idk much about the other ones but, length wise, any% nmg seems like a good place to start

[mighty girder]

so does the gate have to land on one of the husks in the false knight room? I'm assuming it's usally the rightmost husk that gets donked?

[leaden python]

on older patches of the game ceiling is just a global variable, so when enemies bonk it the game counts it as if you bonked as well

[normal aspen]

I think fk can g it it's head as it drops in or some shit too

[leaden python]

It also happens in king's pass, when you climb to howling cliffs, your jump can just end suddenly because offscreen vengefly touched the ceiling

I also suspect that Soul Twisters bonking the ceiling in hell room cut your jumps but I have no proof, it's just something I feel sometimes

[quiet saddle]

@limpid ruin Yo, these numbered save state files are goated. Thanks so much for your work, and do you have a patreon?

[thorn jasper]

she has a twitch channel https://www.twitch.tv/cerpintext (and is live rn)

[mighty girder]

thanks for all the info, super spaghetti interesting stuff

[deep tree]

man

queen's garden acid skip is brutal

genuinely no clue when i should start pressing the cdash button

[last inlet]

conversation we had earlier here #speedrunning message covers the visual cue

[deep tree]

i feel like the bottom of my eye is touching the acid 🤔

good idea to use invicibility tho

[mighty girder]

you can practice the cdash timing on any wall, such as the one right above

it's good to have that timing down

[deep tree]

yeah no doubt

this is one of the last major skips i need to learn to get my time down

[autumn quest]

does anyone know what im doing wrong here? (dash + claw)

not able to dash at the end there

i dont know if theres a specific part of the wall im supposed to be hitting, some timing im getting wrong, etc

[thorn jasper]

were you going off a reference? I learned this skip and it was tricky

[autumn quest]

yeah but its still hard to tell

its just a clip

without any like explanations or anything

[ionic sparrow]

lookslike you're never grabbing a wall again

prob a tiny bit too low so you're hitting a corner not a wall

so you never refresh dash

if you have anything to show hitboxes that'd be useful while learning

otherwise i got nothing except speculation

[autumn quest]

is the show hitboxes mod in the modinstaller what makes that work or is that just for like enemies or smth

problem is idk how i would use that on 1.2.2.1, i just got the file for debug mode but idk where to get other mods for that version

[ionic sparrow]

#resources message

lemme find a vid of how to install debug mod

the same method works for any other type of mod

actually

[autumn quest]

no i got debug mod installed

so i assume i can just put it in the same folder

[ionic sparrow]

which version of debug do you have installed?

[autumn quest]

1.3.3

[ionic sparrow]

theres a newer debug that has hitbox as apart of it

[autumn quest]

ah

that'd be helpful

[ionic sparrow]

#resources message

updated debug mod

[molten aurora]

Just got my first ever epogo we're moving up in the world.

[haughty fossil]

if you have the most recent 1221 debug i believe that one has hitboxes scrolling down is a major glitch

[autumn quest]

just did the same a little bit ago! gj c:

[deep tree]

eyyy i managed to get it first try in my run this morning

got me my pb 👀

[autumn quest]

@ionic sparrow would you happen to know if there's a benchwarp for 1221 as well?

[ionic sparrow]

hmmmmm

i dont think so?

[autumn quest]

alright

[ionic sparrow]

lemme dbl check but i think there isnt

yeah afaik no benchwarp on 1221

[autumn quest]

oke thats fine

tysm for the help btw

[ionic sparrow]

np

[long sky]

@deep tree what's your new pb

[thorn jasper]

hello welcome to #speedrunning please stay on topic thank you

[deep tree]

52:45

[long sky]

Cool which cat

[deep tree]

any%

[long sky]

Cool I got my pb in any% too

[deep tree]

oooooh what is it 👀

[long sky]

Mine is console and I got 55:27

[deep tree]

nice!

i just broke sub 1hr today

feeling pretty good

[long sky]

Yeah way to go

[thorn jasper]

to all

[scenic stag]

Does anyone know why whenever I start a new run my attack key and focus key get unmapped?

[deep tree]

once i figure out that damn queens garden acid skip it's over for the entire leaderboaards

[long sky]

Do you do pc?

[fair island]

Bind it in the main menu and use your mouse to get back to title screen

[deep tree]

yep

[scenic stag]

I only use mouse and keyboard I don

don't use a controller

[fair island]

As in don't press esc

[ionic sparrow]

1221 is funny with mouse controls

[long sky]

Cool killinq good luck in future runs

[ionic sparrow]

it forgets them

rebind them externally

with like ahk

[deep tree]

thanks dude!

to you as well

[long sky]

Thanks

[haughty fossil]

or blue.exe 🙂

[jagged vault]

@scenic stag other mouse runner here, check #resources for a program called ”blue.exe” to fix your issue

1221 doesn’t like mouse keys, so it drops them every time you enter a save

[last inlet]

blue is a program

[jagged vault]

Blue.exe makes your left and right clicks trigger keys on your keyboard

[scenic stag]

oh

[jagged vault]

When running the game, all you need to do is have the program on and bind your mouse imputs to the respective key input that the program triggers (i believe it’s h and t)

[last inlet]

also why are we awake

and yeah i think h and t

[scenic stag]

where can I find it in resources?

[haughty fossil]

#resources message

[scenic stag]

what do i do with this

[thorn jasper]

leave it running. clicking should input h

left-clicking does h, right-clicking does t. try it

[jagged vault]

Yeah just leave it running in the background

[limpid ruin]

yea what others said, you leave it running and actively thank valignatev for being amazing while using it :3

[jagged vault]

Vali is amazing indeed

Iflv

[scenic stag]

I'm watching fireborns tutorial for NMG any% and I noticed he doesn't kill false night

is this vid outdated or am I remembering the route wrong

[twin swallow]

false knight geo is slow and not worth in any%

[scenic stag]

oh yea I forgot about shade skip

shit

can't wait to never be able to learn that

thanks for the confidence

I don't know if this is tmi but when I fuck something up, like a trick or something in a game I smack the fuck out of myself

[haughty fossil]

i do the same when i die for the 20th time to hornet 2

[twin swallow]

you're making it to hornet 2? 😄

[haughty fossil]

yeah it's really hard to go from my save state location to hornet 2

clockwise edge is impossible

[uneven pike]

did an any% nmg current patch speedrun should i upload it to both any% and any% current patch leader boards

[twin swallow]

upload it to cp nmg

[uneven pike]

why not any% as well

[twin swallow]

because if every single full game run got uploaded to the any% board, the board would be a bloated and confusing mess full of wildly different times

[uneven pike]

i mean any% nmg

[twin swallow]

each run goes into the category it is best suited to to reduce content bloat and provide better comparisons between runners

[uneven pike]

ok

[true palm]

theres a reason full game categories dont all get put in any%

ie why my low% steel soul run isnt in low%, any%, any% steel soul and a bunch of other categories

no any% means beat the game

low% having less percent means nothing

ye

its been reworded

[haughty fossil]

any% is basically low% anyway

[stable flint]

just not as cursed

[haughty fossil]

just gets a few extras because they're weenies

dash is a crutch 😤

i run all skills, dash is required

never ran any%

ignore my any% pb

[hexed locust]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/yw0wek9m

hello!! may i have a blue name whenever a moderator is available

[true palm]

i firmly support this

[last inlet]

2/3 of all spells are crutches

[mighty girder]

I've only watched 42 seconds but this run is amazing

VINTAGE camera pointed at TV

incredible sprint+dashmaster zooms

[last inlet]

the only valid spells are vs/shade soul

the others are crutches for cowards to rely on /s

no?

2/3 of them are crutches

2 of 6 arent

[hexed locust]

wow. seriously watching 42 seconds is,,,dedicated already

[mighty girder]

LUL

[scenic stag]

how long did it take you to learn first fireball skip?

[haughty fossil]

1.1k hours and counting

[true palm]

people still whiff it daily on streams

[scenic stag]

fuck

[stable flint]

its a learning curve at first

id say it took me about 2 hours of sitting there with infinite soul and chucking myself off the ledge before i got it semi consistent

then i ran for three weeks with v sync on and completely forgot the timing for it

oh and im talking for the second two, i still never go for the first

[scenic stag]

are there any top runners who don't use it?

[jagged vault]

Why did you run with vsync lol

Top runners all use the fireball skips, since they’re a very non-negligible timesave

Most runners definitely miss it now and then, so don’t worry if you do too

It’s very hard to be consistent at

[stable flint]

becasue i thought i turned it off but funny game with funny menus

[jagged vault]

It took me months of running before i really got consistent with it

[stable flint]

i turned it off an almost immediatly got two pb's in a row

[molten aurora]

Dumb question , but why is running with vsync on bad?

[stable flint]

it caps frame rate at like 60fps

so drops inputs all over the place

freeze frames are horrible

and just general buffering inputs and stuff is aweful

[normal aspen]

also vysync in particular gives sever years of input lag

like its really bad

[stable flint]

if ax hadnt commented on my hornet 2 freeze frames id still be running with it on 🥴

[thorn jasper]

Yeah I'm still waiting on Team Cherry to announce the release date of a jump input I did on Nintendo Switch. ||Yes I'm reusing this joke||

[molten aurora]

Hmmmmm, I've played the game for ~300 hours with vsync on, time to see if I hate fireball skips any less now.

[stable flint]

they keep eating my fireballs too

[thorn jasper]

Did you also spend those 300 hours not knowing about quick cast like most of us?

[stable flint]

WHAT THE FUCK WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT TO YOURSELF

[limpid ruin]

In terms of this actually. How do you diagnose if it's input delay vs just being bad

[thorn jasper]

They didn't know

[stable flint]

you have my condolences jesse

[molten aurora]

Haha, to be fair, most of that was casual play, so not a big deal, I've only starting learning to speedrun for 10-20 hours now.

[haughty fossil]

psa: vsync bad

game feels like playing underwater

Good fps on the other hand feels like running but on a very slightly sticky floor (it's still HK)

[molten aurora]

Alright, it could just be placebo, but damn does the game feel way more responsive now.

[haughty fossil]

not placebo, can verify

[normal aspen]

its not placebo

[stable flint]

its not placebo at all

[haughty fossil]

I regularly turn vsync on in runs and the difference is like 2 different games

[normal aspen]

like you can give me the game with vsync on and off and im confident i can tell u which is whih 100% of the time

[stable flint]

it feels like your basic walk is faster

[haughty fossil]

I could be blindfolded in kp, press jump and know which one was vsync tbh

it's just that 🥴

[normal aspen]

like vsync is what makes all the vsync strats bad

[stable flint]

imagine being sad that tc fixed the menu so v sync will stay off

[normal aspen]

tbh it should just turn off whenever u quiot

just out of compassion for playters who know no better

[haughty fossil]

tbh it should turn off whenever you turn it on

[molten aurora]

FIREBALL SKIPS ARE ACTUALLY EASY WHAT THE HELL

[normal aspen]

now tell @torpid pollen the difference no vsync makes

[stable flint]

thats the v-sync difference

[limpid ruin]

And today we opened the eyes of another person omg I'm happy now

[thorn jasper]

More like vstink haha gottem

[stable flint]

slaurent no

[normal aspen]

Slaurent yes

[molten aurora]

The third fireball skip, which I had never been able to hit before, even with 30mins of infinite soul, I hit it 5 times in a minute.

[thorn jasper]

Now that you are no longer v sinking you can v float with us

[molten aurora]

Haha, not quite, I still suck that's for sure. Just a little less 🙂

[limpid ruin]

Ey, that's like a description of me

[molten aurora]

Wait wait wait, fireball skip 3 is 2 fireballs, I've been doing it with 1 this whole time, I take back what I said, I suck and I'm dumb.

[limpid ruin]

You can do them all with 1 fb if you have no respect for your sanity

Also not suck or dumb: inexperienced and learning :3

[torpid pollen]

wait what?

what’s the context of this somni lmao

bruh i stopped playing with vsync a few weeks ago

no vsync is fucking great

[copper cosmos]

Hey o/ Currently learning Any% NMG, was playing with Vsync untill now, thanks for that tips haha

Coudn't get myself to even 70% accuracy on fireball skip, it feels slightly better now

[thorn jasper]

Doing it with one is harder though, so you are in fact cool

[copper cosmos]

(I sometimes lost some heigh in between two fireballs, does not happen anymore \o/ )

[normal aspen]

oh i thought u were still gimpoing urself

[torpid pollen]

nahhh

maybe still with cp but vsync is just trash

i was just worried about the timer lag but xero told me about rivatuner

[obtuse estuary]

does inventory drop work on ps4?

current patch

ive tried it but never seems to work

[twin swallow]

yes, but you need to open inventory on the same physics frame you walk off a ledge

you can't just open it in the air like on older patches

[obtuse estuary]

so is it worth doing?

ive heard that u can dream nail and also inventory drop ?

[Inventory drops
Opening inventory while falling will uncap your fall speed and cancel hard falls. This also allows you stand on mushrooms without bouncing and slide. This works with QoL installed.
Dream Nail Drops
If you hold dream nail on the same frame you walk off a ledge, you can get similar properties to inventory falling (falling very fast). This is done with the same method as a current patch inventory drop in the vanilla game.]

from some steam community guide

does this work on ps4 as well?

[twin swallow]

yes

[obtuse estuary]

ah ok will try

still kinda hard to do ngl

[twin swallow]

they're worth doing in some places, the timing will take some practice though

some platforms have weird shaped hitboxes

so you kinda just have to feel where to open inventory

but they're not really essential, so don't stress too much over them imo

[obtuse estuary]

yeah my goal is to get sub 1 hr

im on 1 hr 14 rn (ps4)

[serene coral]

sub-hour's a good goal, feels tough but doable

then you'll hear the siren song of sub-50

[torpid pollen]

yeah lol that should be doable

my time doesn’t do any inv drops lol

[onyx spade]

I cannot express how happy I am right now

[elder gale]

I just needed to clip this from yesterday becouse it still hurts so much lmaohttps://clips.twitch.tv/TentativeAgreeableKaleFailFish-Kt_0X8amFjywN_St

[true palm]

bro the fliers in that room are snipers

[elder gale]

Yeah

I always tought gettin hit out of cdash is worst thing on that room

[dapper cove]

it just took me near 20 minutes to do shade skip to blue lake

it was my first attempt ever though so i'm cutting myself some slack

1:30 to get from claw to gruz but another 18 mins to get dream nail

[true palm]

the trick for shadeskip is to start low on the wall

and then go up when he gets closer

if you start high you wont be able to get to him

[dapper cove]

it was super close a lot of the time

i would just fudge the buttons

dash off the wall or forget to use claw

[true palm]

aw makes sense

[dapper cove]

i'm still not entirely used to keyboard

I used to be able to get to shade skip within like 15 minutes on console

but it was newest patch so speedrunning wasn't easy

[true palm]

if you still have your console controller you can probably hook it up to your pc

[dapper cove]

the cord is too short

i've tried

[true palm]

rip

[dapper cove]

it's alright

honestly i kinda like the keyboard layout

my only gripe is the inventory key being so far away from everything else

[true palm]

you can change the keybinds

[dapper cove]

i know and i will

i'm also just dead tired bc i'm going to upload my first speedrun (edited) to my yt

[true palm]

if you have any trouble with fireball skips you should use the socd cleaner

[dapper cove]

and it's currently 5am

and i was recording for an hour

[true palm]

aw makes sense

[dapper cove]

my sleep schedule is destroyed

[ionic cargo]

get some sleep

[dapper cove]

plus i am doing a lot with minecraft as well bc my friends want me to help them work on mods

nah nah you don't understand

i am a college student

i thrive on no sleep

also me as a person doesn't need sleep to function necessarily

the amount of sleep i get doesn't effect how tired i feel in a day

plus my bed sheets are soaking wet bc the dryers on campus are god awful

so all my clothes are wet

my sheets are wet

my towels are completely soaked

[onyx spade]

I can relate to campus dryers being bad lol

[dapper cove]

it's a struggle lol

they're expensive and not worth it

but i find out if i get the apartment i wanted in three days

so fingers crossed i can move off campus for good

[reef lichen]

Do you need to fight any bosses to get to godhome?

[slim geyser]

pretty sure you need dive

so yeah

[reef lichen]

Can’t you wrap around the other way?

[slim geyser]

which way is that?

[kind flume]

No, you do need dive. The other way is only openable from the inside, so to speak

If you mean the shortcut from nailsmith

[reef lichen]

Ah ok, I thought you didn’t need dive for flukemarm

[normal aspen]

soul master is only boss kill u need

[slim geyser]

pretty crazy

considering i didn't find it till i was on 107%

[reef lichen]

For me it didn’t exist till I was on 107%

My playthrough ended basically the day before godmaster

[slim geyser]

wild

[neat swallow]

What are categories I should do/skips I should learn if I’m a new speed runner because I don’t know where to start lmao

[last inlet]

any% or all skills are generally considered the best beginner categories

there's guides in pins of the respective channels and on speedrun.com if you need help

if you get stuck at any point with a specific thing you can always ask in here

[neat swallow]

Thanks I’ve already started speedrunning just up to like hornet or mantis lords but I want to do actual categories now so I’m probably just gonna learn all the any% stuff

[cloud pollen]

Does pogo explosion skip still work in 1432? I've been trying for an hour lol

[onyx spade]

epogo on current patch has a different setup

[cloud pollen]

oooh I see

[onyx spade]

there's guides for it on speedrun . com

[neat swallow]

Wait if I play on PS4 am I on current patch?

[snow dome]

Check #strats

[last inlet]

yeah it's much more precise on cp but it still exists

[snow dome]

There's information about current patch there

[last inlet]

yes

ps4 is cp

[normal aspen]

console is curtrent patch yes

[neat swallow]

Ok

I only just completed poh lol I don’t know much about speedrunning

[cloud pollen]

Its only cuz I practice on the steam version with debug mod n stuff and because I'm stupid I gave up trying to downpatch steam and just bought gog so now I'll just use that for proper attempts but I guess I should try practice on 1221 that makes sense

that sentance didnt make sense im very tired

[snow dome]

Yeah, you need to practice on the version you're going to run, or you're going to develop the wrong strats

[slim geyser]

valiant effort on the late night english

[cloud pollen]

thanks ❤️

[neat swallow]

Is it possible to change the patch your on on console?

[snow dome]

Things like room cycles are different, as well as the more major things like lever skips

It is not, no.

[neat swallow]

Ok

[snow dome]

You will be on a separate console leaderboard, though

[cloud pollen]

ok thanks tamijo

[neat swallow]

Ohh ok

[snow dome]

So you're running against people on the same hardware

[neat swallow]

Fair enough

[snow dome]

I think it's a PS4/Xbox One shared board.

PS5/Xbox Two is also a board, then Switch.

[neat swallow]

D’you reckon it’s easier to speedrun on PS4 or switch

[snow dome]

PS 4

The switch is... Not great

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