speedrunning

[dreamy bough]

the movement is quite precise and has not much margin for error

[lucid stirrup]

not unlucky

mantis no rng

also if you arent getting high enough from pogo dash pogo dash

try the first pogo just before the apex of your jump, and you wanna dash when ur head is basically touching the ceiling

also if you just wanna do 2 pogos, its totally fine. it only loses around half a second

[kind sorrel]

so it wall cling storage allowed or not allowed in any% nmg? or is it allowed in some ways like after gruz mother?

[lucid stirrup]

as long as you dont use it to skip things that you cant normally skip

at like gruz mother, and leaving uumuu arena, city of tears elevator, etc. we are just using to move faster

[kind sorrel]

ah ok, makes sense ty

[cursive jacinth]

boutta submit this shit 😎

[old obsidian]

good shit^

[cursive jacinth]

it's blue because chroma key for recording lol

holy SHIT

feelsgoodman but wow it could've been infinitely faster if i hadn't: died twice at WK, benched at uumuu, had a 20 minute THK session, and effed up infinitely many other things

[old obsidian]

I mean low% is a pretty hard category

[normal aspen]

is this 1221?

[cursive jacinth]

yep

[normal aspen]

gg!

[old obsidian]

gg^

[cursive jacinth]

thanks :D

i was hoping for a sub 1hr before WK happened

but hey! not bad for my first run of this game :)

[normal aspen]

low% is like that ahha

[cursive jacinth]

question, how easy are name changes on src

[short spire]

you can change it every 60 days

[cursive jacinth]

oh sweet, thanks

[knotty vigil]

I just watched a speedrun of this game and it looks really fun how long would it take me to get a decent time even though ive never played it before

[weary root]

have you done speedruns at all before?

[normal aspen]

sub hour is a realistically obtainable goal in under a week if you're familiar with the game

[knotty vigil]

No and i never played the game before and only heard of it like a week ago

[normal aspen]

still not that long, its a good beginner speedgamer

[knotty vigil]

Sounds good im gonna spend a day learning the game then im gonna try get sub 1 hour in a week

[cursive jacinth]

quick q, how do i fix this?

[weary root]

Cool GL with it! You'll find guides and info in the pins here! Highly recommend Fireb0rn's video guide

[digital jewel]

you can manually delete best segment times

[cursive jacinth]

i see, thank you

oh jesus i just realized that my entire mic audio in this recording is just asmr

[haughty fossil]

verifiers gonna have fun

[cursive jacinth]

yeeaaahhhhh

i'm sorry whoever has to verify that

[haughty fossil]

who had the pleasure of verifying ax's abyss climb il btw

[weary root]

omg thank you for drawing my attention to that Jamie 😄 wth is he listening to?

[cursive jacinth]

i'm also now learning that the video saved as an mkv rather than an mp4 or mov... and the audio is desynced! so not only is it asmr, it's desynced too! i... really am sorry for whoever ends up verifying this

[normal aspen]

Me lol

[haughty fossil]

dw it can't be worse than some of the quality content we've dealt with in the past

[cursive jacinth]

i don't want to know

[digital jewel]

hmm mkv shouldn't be a problem like that

I record in mkv

although I do remux to mp4 before uploading, maybe that fixes it

[cursive jacinth]

it's not 'cause i can still upload to yt but like, i wish i could fix the audio in premiere but no supporty mkv

[normal aspen]

asmr, ax podcast, it just gets better and better

[old obsidian]

ax podcast definitely was a highlight tho

[digital jewel]

oh you can very quickly remux mkv to mp4 and then edit it in premiere if you want

[haughty fossil]

mkv shouldn't be desynced but it doesn't embed in discord

[normal aspen]

hell the firtst ax abyss climb i verified had some fucking dota stream going in the background

[digital jewel]

look into ffmpeg

[haughty fossil]

iirc obs has its own option to record in mkv and then when recording ends immediately remux to mp4

[digital jewel]

oh that's even better

[haughty fossil]

which is good because then if your obs crashes recording doesn't get yeeted into the sun

[digital jewel]

do you know where that is jamie

yeah that's the exact reason I don't record in mp4

[cursive jacinth]

yoo, lemme do that too

[haughty fossil]

that being said i can't see the option and apparently my settings are set to mp4 even though i 100% remember seeing a "remuxing..." obs window at some point

you can remux inside obs at File > Remux Recordings... but i'm not entirely sure where the automatic option went or if it even existed

[cursive jacinth]

you're just the one person that saw it for the 2 minutes it existed, lucky you!

[digital jewel]

jamie it's literally right here

🥴

[cursive jacinth]

woooaaah

thanks for that ^^

[haughty fossil]

yeah i literally just found that too

for some reason i was in output > advanced > custom ffmpeg

🥴

but i do already have it ticked, so for once i wasn't imagining something that i didn't already have

[lament saffron]

hey so i wanted to start recording runs, this is probably a stupid question but how can i get my livesplit to go over Hollow Knight? i have the option 'always on top' ticked so idk what to do really

[cursive jacinth]

personally i just play windowed and have it over my HK window

you can get a program or something to give HK a borderless windowed option though

and that would work
i don't have the link to it unfortunately

[lament saffron]

i mean it used to go over just fine it stopped just now idk why

ill have a look at obs settings

[cursive jacinth]

oh you mean in recording? idk then, should just be like... window order

[jagged vault]

Yeah, for OBS use a window capture for livesplit

[lament saffron]

got it, i was using game capture for some reason

ty

[cursive jacinth]

i have submitted my run to src. blue time 😎

[stoic crane]

yo, jw if anyone can help me out with the debug menu

whenever i try to respawn it just freezes my game

still running, i can see it registers input aswell

[jagged vault]

m-me time? 😳

[stoic crane]

but like i cant even close out of menus or anything

[cursive jacinth]

apparently

[lament saffron]

so, i got it to show my livesplit window, however it shows up really small and with a black box around it instead of being transparent, when resized, the black box expands, any ideas?

[haughty fossil]

could be windows display scaling jank

you're using a window capture right?

[lament saffron]

yes

even when matching my output resolution to my canvas resolution nothing changes

[haughty fossil]

is livesplit on the same monitor as obs? i have some jank using multiple displays w/ different scaling

however resizing the source on the canvas should scale it correctly regardless of the window capture

[lament saffron]

only one monitor rn

[limpid ruin]

Ooh, that's bc it captures it pixel by pixel, and if the resolutions are off that is bound to look weird

Hm

Is your livesplit up and visible when you're seeing your desktop, wolver?

[lament saffron]

yep, only looks like that through the obs preview

[limpid ruin]

Try to delete and readd the window capture?

[lament saffron]

still the same

[limpid ruin]

Hm

Can you screenshot your window capture settings? Maybe also try to move the livesplit around on your screen to see if that forces livesplit to recapture it properly

[lament saffron]

moving it around didnt do much

was that the settings you meant?

[fair island]

Resize the real live split by "pulling" the window from bottom to make it a reasonable size. And put the livesplit windlw(in obs) on the top right corner

[lament saffron]

when i resize the real livesplit the black box in the preview expands with it

[fair island]

If you do the color key thing the black should go away

[limpid ruin]

thats so weird

are you running OBS Studio as admin?

[lament saffron]

nrn but i can try that

1 sec

alright

nothing changed

[limpid ruin]

[true palm]

hate to be the guy but have you tried restarting livesplit

[limpid ruin]

just from my setup, maybe replicate these?

(ignore the cropping, its for a different livesplit layout)

[true palm]

actually if you just use a color key filter it wouldnt matter?

just turn on a black color key filter

[limpid ruin]

can crop it away, much simpler, but it shouldnt happen in the first place so

[lament saffron]

sorry is that in obs or livesplit settings

[true palm]

obs

[limpid ruin]

thats in the obs sources thingy, right click and properties on the window cap

[lament saffron]

never done this before so sorry if i sound completely stupid

[limpid ruin]

nw

im just as confused as you why this is happening

[dusk portal]

How do you make Livesplit transparent? I've always used the Default Color

[lament saffron]

layout settings

opacity slider

[dusk portal]

Never knew about this button

[limpid ruin]

layout settings in livesplit to make it all one single colour, like this, then in obs you use a colour key filter for that colour

the opacity doesnt work like that bc its aaaa written software

[true palm]

you can only make livesplit transparent in obs, but it'll still have a color on your desktop

[lament saffron]

black color key thing worked tysm

[true palm]

np

[hearty adder]

You can crop the black part out by right clicking the livesplit source and going to Transform>Edit transform. Color keys and other filters are more resource-intensive so this is also an option

[true palm]

color key is a quick fix, cropping is a better permanent solution

[hearty adder]

Also remember to move your livesplit away from the top left corner, as this could cover your HUD and make your run invalid due to not being able to be verified correctly

[true palm]

oh yah shoot didnt even notice

[hearty adder]

Top right and bottom right corner are the most common options

[lament saffron]

good point ty

[hearty adder]

Or you could be like me and use horizontal splits instead of vertical

[lament saffron]

ok looks like theres a new problem

livesplit isnt showing up in front of my actual hk window

[true palm]

in obs or on your computer?

[lament saffron]

on my computer

[thorn jasper]

this q/a from the livesplit guide might be relevant

Q. I only have one monitor and want to use LiveSplit on the same screen. How do I do that?
A. Enable Windowed mode in Hollow Knight by hitting Alt+Enter; alternatively, you can use the -popupwindow launch option in Steam. To do so, right click Hollow Knight in your Library, and go to Properties, then General. Add "-popupwindow" in the Launch Options, omitting the double quotes.

I had fire add that to https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/cg9vl recently

[lament saffron]

i have it set to always on top so it should go in front of the window either way though

seems to work that way so whatever

[true palm]

you have to set always on top and then change to windowed or windowed borderless

[lament saffron]

how do i make it borderless?

[true palm]

see above

alternatively, you can use the -popupwindow launch option in Steam. To do so, right click Hollow Knight in your Library, and go to Properties, then General. Add "-popupwindow" in the Launch Options, omitting the double quotes.

[lament saffron]

did that, restarted the game and nothing happened

[true palm]

you need to change hollow knight to windowed in hollow knight settings and relaunch

it also needs to be your default install

im guessing it is

[lament saffron]

i would assume so

[grizzled maple]

i believe you just need to press alt+enter if you have the popupwindow command

[lament saffron]

alright

wow thats really small

[true palm]

if your resolutions messed up you can fix that in settings?

kind of dont know whats being referred to as small

[lament saffron]

nvm

[pine shore]

how do i dodge all the bugs in the second room of crossroads during menu drop

[true palm]

its rng

its about a 50-50 to taking a hit to not taking a hit if you do rightside drop

you get hit less going for middle drop, but you might have to move out of middle drop depending on if and where you get hit

[stable flint]

Just don’t do a me and get hit 2 times to gruzzer rng and you’ll be fine

[pine shore]

that literally just happend i was wondering if i took a wrong path

[true palm]

ye getting hit twice can happen

[unique pumice]

I have seen speedrunners go one path to the left before menu dropping there- does that make it less likely?

[stable flint]

There’s one gruzzer at the top that you can see if it will hit you, that one you should avoid. It’s very rare to get truly unavoidable rng twice

[stable flint]

That’s middle drop.

[true palm]

middle drop is less likely to get hit but if you get hit, the tik tiks at the bottom become hard to dodge

[unique pumice]

oh I always just immediately dropped

[true palm]

ye i think ax2u linked his tests showing middle drop to be more consistent and the general consensus was nobody wanted to change their habits

[stable flint]

It’s also harder to learn I think

Because timing

[true palm]

i kind of swap back and forth between them, it really doesnt matter too much

theres more important things in the run to learn than middle drop and how to move if you get hit in it

[stable flint]

Yeah. Stuff like jumping and dashing are hard enough

[true palm]

or if you're me literally just jumping

like i just couldnt today, i think i died twice trying to get sporg seal in low%

[stable flint]

Oof

I had a ton of funny jump moments yesterday’s run

[true palm]

question to anyone who does glitched runs, is All Glitches or NMMS more fun?

[digital jewel]

that really depends

probably nmms

but it's very difficult if you want to learn optimal strats

[true palm]

is there any guides for nmms, i only nldg on src

[frank cobalt]

Sorry to interrupt real quick - if anyone's familiar with how the save state file/slot thing works in the new debug mod, would you mind DMing me and explaining how to use that? Thanks!

[dry sluice]

If you look at serenas old AG guide it will teach you a lot about how to use the glitches in nmms (was made before mms was found so its basically a really old nmms route)

It's not the right route but it teaches the glitches, I have a couple tutorials for 2 of the really long and more difficult tricks in the run but there's no general guide at the moment

Theoretically eventually will make but I'm trying to do low jump and make glitched randomizer logic and also enjoy myself occasionally and not fail school so it's low on the list atm

[scenic stag]

Hey so I'm trying to get debug mod because trying to practice without it causes me immense pain

but I just keep fucking up my 1221 file

[thorn jasper]

in what way is it fucked up? what are you observing, and what are you expecting?

[ionic sparrow]

yeah providing more info (like what you've tried and what's going on) is more helpful than just saying its not working

[scenic stag]

So when I try to put it into the games folders it messes it up and makes it a current patch game

[digital jewel]

when I try to put the actual game

what does this mean

[scenic stag]

sorry I'm very tired

[thorn jasper]

If I'm reading tired-HARME correctly, it sounds like you rearranged things and now it's launching current patch when you run the game?

[scenic stag]

Well I still have the backup when I type in C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\content\app_367520\depot_367521
to the file explorer

[thorn jasper]

if you re-arrange things, don't forget about copying/creating the steam_appid.txt file

[limpid ruin]

The video from ax in the current pins on installing and using debug is still a good help for getting started, even if the newest versions are a bit different (multiple savestates to files, version specific settings files), but they use the same process to get up and running

[distant dome]

I have changed my profile picture

Someone said I was void

[thorn jasper]

cool, but that's off-topic for this channel

[north hemlock]

what was the link to get debug mod in another version?

[haughty fossil]

#resources

[north hemlock]

ok thank

[distant dome]

I changed it back

I got to hornet and died but also missed fb skip

I got 1:30 on kings pass and 5:23 on vs

5:23 is a big improvement from 5:52

[thorn jasper]

please don't ping me with off-topic things

[north hemlock]

wow im garbo

[thorn jasper]

mood

[north hemlock]

i just died to wk after nohitting the first 3 watcher knights

[distant dome]

Okay

[thorn jasper]

to see the difference, this is a reply ping, whereas my previous reply to you was not

[distant dome]

Now I know how to do that

Well I'm going to try and not get hit when I get to greenpath

[distant dome]

I got mothwing cloak split

12:17

I got the fireball skip that time too

Now it's time to practice Epogo

If I just spam shroompog I did something

Epogo is hard in cp

[vocal dove]

to me cp epogo is solid on console, but never got it on PC

[thorn jasper]

console's advantage is the low framerate, which you can replicate with vsync assuming you have a 60hz (or lower) monitor

[distant dome]

Well I cant get it right on console which is what I'm running

[dull lion]

Make sure you’re using a current patch vsync setup

Other ones won’t work or will be much harder on console

[distant dome]

I am or should be

It's hard to practice when I only have 5 health

[regal viper]

I got epogo once

After 5 or 6 hours

I'm not doing that ever again until I need it

[distant dome]

QGA is gonna be real fun

Is it just me or is going from the ending to the very beginning back to back jarring

[dull lion]

What do you mean? Like starting a new run? It is a bit at first but you get used to it

[distant dome]

Yes

[low bramble]

qga and current patch epogo are especially difficult

+watcher knights

[distant dome]

I've heard a lot about how wk is extremely hard

[hearty adder]

Fb skips are pretty consistent once you get them down

[hearty adder]

I wouldn't say extremely hard, but they're certainly a roadblock that newer runners tend to have issues with for a bit

[ionic cargo]

tbh I got my first fb skip before my first epogo

[grizzled maple]

same can be said about epogo. fb skips fail often because of physics inputs and not turning around. epogo fails because of timing issues or not understanding the trick

[distant dome]

I'm gonna watch the tutorial video on Epogo

[grizzled maple]

the latter still applies to fb skips but thats why even high level runners fail fb skips sometimes

[hearty adder]

Epogo is also much more scary to fail, with that 2 hp damage

[distant dome]

I found your tutorial on Epogo

[grizzled maple]

if have problems you know where to find me

[lament tendon]

Sorry does anyone know what patch is used for PoP speedruns

[grizzled maple]

current i believe

[old obsidian]

current

[ionic sparrow]

1432

[old obsidian]

but old patch only loses like half a second or one second and is easier to learn due to easier cycles

[lament tendon]

Are you supposed to practice in debug or is there a way to run it without making a new file everytime

[old obsidian]

nop

[distant dome]

I had no idea my knowledge of smash would relate to hollow knight with di

[old obsidian]

you just copy the save file to your clipboard once and paste it while loading

literally loses 0 seconds of lifetime

[lament tendon]

Thanks!

[old obsidian]

you're welcome

[distant dome]

That was useful the video I watched before was completely off

https://youtu.be/4wdfFMLblz4

That one

[haughty fossil]

this is the harder version

still completely on

[distant dome]

[grizzled maple]

oh yeah thats the panta version. vali just made it make more sense

xeph also came up with a new strat, posted i think in resources before #strats existed

[haughty fossil]

vali commentary: good
panta commentary: bing, bam, pow, and you're up

[grizzled maple]

my version only works on either console or with vsync temporarily enabled

[distant dome]

iirc co Epogo works because you pogo off the the spore then damage boost high enough to dash

Cp

[regal viper]

Epogo is hard, dunno if it's console or just the Skip itself

[grizzled maple]

thats my version which is why it requires low fps

damage knockback is higher the lower your fps is

[regal viper]

I can do vs skips from time to tieme, epogo is just too hard for me

[grizzled maple]

both panta and xeph's setups do not require damage or menus

[distant dome]

Can I post a picture of my cat here

[grizzled maple]

nope

[regal viper]

#off-topic

[distant dome]

[grizzled maple]

just finish a run and get access to #sr-offtopic

[distant dome]

Okay

[grizzled maple]

(and have it verified on src)

[distant dome]

That will take a while

I should probably practice Epogo on a file where I have more than base masks

[grizzled maple]

yeah, on console i use my colo practice file for 112 runs as my epogo file too. just with dgate in the room

you gotta come up with creative ways to stack

another benefit to that is that mantis lords are defeated so you can just dnail the mantis in the room to the right for inf healing and soul

[distant dome]

I almost got it

Too low

[ionic cargo]

btw does a full game sr have to submitted for sr role, or could it just be smth like trial of the warrior?

[grizzled maple]

if youre doing my version, one of the most important things is DO NOT touch any directions until youve been hit. neutral down ONLY

you will lose height

yeah IL runs count

[ionic cargo]

ok, thx

[old obsidian]

even a 10 hour video of a pop run would count (but pls dont do it for the verifiers sake)

[distant dome]

That's why I was too low

[hearty adder]

As long as it's a verified speedrun of the game it counts, doesn't matter the category

[distant dome]

How many people here have their original playthrough file

[hearty adder]

I should learn vsync pogo tbh, I'm too lazy to keep practicing pantapogo

[regal viper]

If I record my screen with my phone wihile my laptop has the splits on the right would It get verified?

[old obsidian]

I have it saved in like 10 folders

it's very close to my heart

[grizzled maple]

i bought the game to speedrun

[scenic stag]

Holy shit I just did the green path fireball Elder Baldur skip with no practice I'm very proud

[frank cobalt]

has anyone else had trouble with save state slots in the most recent debug mod? 😕

[hearty adder]

As long as the game is clearly visible, then yes

[distant dome]

I still have it in slot one so it's harder for speedruns to quit out

[regal viper]

[old obsidian]

you can change the name of the save file to a different number

[fair island]

and has game audio

[distant dome]

I'm on console

[thorn jasper]

people were having trouble around here: #speedrunning message

[old obsidian]

oh ):

[thorn jasper]

that settings file might help idk

[old obsidian]

rip

[hearty adder]

Make sure to check the speedrun.com submissions rules before you record a run, just in case

[frank cobalt]

Interesting, thanks Slaurent!

[regal viper]

Yeah I read that Game audio was mandatory in speedrun.com

[hallow orchid]

Avian you can make a new profile specifically for speedrunning

[distant dome]

The play time says 109 hours on my og file but I dont know if its correct

[regal viper]

I'm still learning the route, I'll check It when I feel confortable

[grizzled maple]

i have jesse (real account)
emray (the account i do runs on)
emray2 (practice files for games)

[regal viper]

Yo that's a great Idea I'm going to do that lol

[distant dome]

Speed running is fun I'm glad I decided to come here and ask how to run hollow knight

[stable quarry]

Any advise on getting walljump before dash? Just did the stupidly hard fireball skip from Queen's.

[distant dome]

I just remembered something that might be useful for fungal wastes

When you land on the bounce mushrooms you dont hard fall

[hallow orchid]

That's the hardest part of getting claw without dash. If you're on patch 1221 you can now do explosion pogo to get to claw

[grizzled maple]

hard falls only lose about half a second. the bounce loses more

[hallow orchid]

If you are on current patch the easiest option is to take the bench at leg eater and set up a shade skip where epogo is

[distant dome]

[stable quarry]

Oh I am attempting it on current patch

[grizzled maple]

youll have to shade skip then

[hallow orchid]

Yeah I'd recommend the shade skip and leg eater bench then

[grizzled maple]

fireball skip into leg eater

the shade skip itself is extremely easy at least

[stable quarry]

Yeah I have leg eater bench, how do I do that shade skip.

[thorn jasper]

or apparently you can do this on cp: #speedrunning message

[haughty fossil]

low% CP epogo erasure

[grizzled maple]

just die to the sporg and go back there

[stable quarry]

2 pogo wont cut it right

[haughty fossil]

and also fireball turnarounds

[grizzled maple]

yeah you really dont need that much height for that shade skip

[hallow orchid]

Basically die the sporg, then you can do pogo -> fireball -> pogo

[distant dome]

I hate flukemungas

[hallow orchid]

Just lure the shade up high and you should be ok

[stable quarry]

Thanks, also I should probably not use dash master as I dont have dash

[grizzled maple]

what math recommended about the fireball, basically youre using that fireball as an airstall to give the shade more height after your first pogo

[distant dome]

What

[grizzled maple]

i dont remember that being necessary for that skip though

its very very lenient

[hallow orchid]

I dont think it's necessary no

But it becomes completely free with it

[fair island]

I think I misunderstood something else sorry

[stable quarry]

I was going to atempt shade skip, but getting up there from dash master bench was hard

[grizzled maple]

yeah that's why legeater bench is better, its faster and less dangerous

[hallow orchid]

Yeah don't go for bretta bench

[stable quarry]

Going to try from leg eater bench next time should be alot easier

[hallow orchid]

It's much more annoying

You do have to fireball skip to leg eater bench as em mentioned earlier

But a single fireball is good enough for that

[grizzled maple]

funny story. the short time i did mess with hk casually before practicing speedruns, i got trapped down there and cried

i am still working out trauma from that bench and its been nearly three years

[stable quarry]

It was a fun shallenge though. (Though I softlocked my self for a moment)

[median basalt]

does skipping hornet's text in greenpath with a fireball save time or is it better to use the fireball for damage after talking to her?

[hallow orchid]

Usually people only skip the dialogue if they come in with full soul

[ionic sparrow]

tldr is if you end the fight with a cast of soul, you should have started the fight with a fireball. if you end the fight w/o a cast of soul, you made the right choice in not starting the fight with a fireball

[frank cobalt]

This fixed it, big thanks man

[stable quarry]

I would guess that it depends on your rng.

[median basalt]

makes sense, thanks

[grizzled maple]

The only category that consistently can do it is 106% since it doesnt fight the moss knights and doesnt kill vk

[distant dome]

[grizzled maple]

also having fury as dps means you're less in need of that fb

[distant dome]

I did it but I fell back

I'm gonna see
To best our lords. What strength
A lot

I did Epogo

I have no idea what I did to get it though because I have not done it again

I know what happened I was too far right or left

I did it again

I had MoP on

Time to start over

I did it without MoP

Let's goooooo I got it down I was always too far left

How much time does Epogo

Save

[grizzled maple]

on console close to 40 seconds

and youre dealing with a much harder mantis pogo

[idle niche]

Hello! Back into cp any%, and decided i need to finally practice with savestates - i've got the 1.4.3.2 dll thing - and i found Ax's tutorial, do i need the modding api thing too? And do people re-name the game when they want to do attempts?

[grizzled maple]

if you come from above you can do the consistent double dash version

[distant dome]

What is 1.4.3.3

[ionic sparrow]

console exclusive patch

exact same as 1432 for all intents and purposes

[distant dome]

Ooooh

[limpid dust]

path of pain, took one damage but no void back

[distant dome]

Well now I should practice mantis pogo

Is there a specific set up I need to know

[grizzled maple]

do you have the document i gave you last night?

it explains both in detail

whether you come from top or right

[distant dome]

I have to get it

[grizzled maple]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10aXiOYQu-SLQlsyb5TTBfqFT8fNmBjyPJH7gJC8u_bk/edit?usp=sharing

[distant dome]

Its gonna be harder to practice mantis pogo because they won't agro me on this save file

[digital jewel]

you won't be able to practice it like that

[distant dome]

I know

Which means I need to go to a new one

[elder gale]

Just quick question. Is It okay to make nail sounds In dreamer cutscene. I mean its useless but I noticed myself doing it many times by accident while practicing great slash split(starts with monomon) and its kind of glitch thing

[grizzled maple]

yeah thats fine

warning if you charge your nail the scene wont transition though lol

[knotty vigil]

i feel so dumb

i just found out about quick cast

no wonder i couldn't do fireball skips

[cursive jacinth]

Dw, I didn't know about quick cast until after I'd completed the game in its entirety

[fallow bolt]

I have a question, why do speedrunners go for lumafly lantern instead of desolate dive? Could it possibly be faster to get DD after Lurien through the skybridge, then benchwarp back to Salubra?

[weary root]

lurien and dive are both hard saves so no

[haughty fossil]

sanctum is slow, shade skip is fast

[fallow bolt]

Ok, true, the hard saves. But what if you just took city storerooms stag back to crossroads?

[haughty fossil]

qed

you then need to climb up to city and spend 300 geo

[true palm]

but what if you just spent the 1000 geo from wk and picked up a seal and a journal

[haughty fossil]

if you look at the current any% route its very efficient in how it gets the geo for lantern

[true palm]

watcher knights gives lots of geo in particular, and we pick up seals along the way

[haughty fossil]

essentially getting it on the way to Lurien and then on the way back from Lurien to peaks

[true palm]

in addition to dive hard saving, soul master takes a while and is super isolated

even with city storerooms, its still in the far left corner of city of tears, and we spend almost no time in left side COT

[fallow bolt]

Ok, thanks!

[true palm]

if you want a category that goes to Soul Sanctum check out All Skills

its a pretty difficult area for speedruns though

[dim flame]

Do I need to turn off the modding api before I do an Any%?

[quiet saddle]

Ok, sorry, but my brain is completely blanking: where is the wanderer's journal I'm supposed to pick up in the first half of the any% nmg route

I used to know where it was and then my brain decided to get rid of that info, for some reason.

[thorn jasper]

above king's station, in the middle row of that elevator room

[scenic stag]

Hey I'm trying to load the debug mod and this error message keeps popping up

[shut beacon]

bro i just tried clicking the ok

[thorn jasper]

@quiet saddle here's the timestamp where pest gets it in wr https://youtu.be/JXLWUwFdrok?t=994

[scenic stag]

lmao

[quiet saddle]

Sick, thank you slaurent!

[rotund jackal]

You might have better luck in #archived-modding-help

[scenic stag]

thanks

[distant dome]

Is there an easier way than starting a new game to practice mantis pogo

[rotund jackal]

Which platform are you on?

[distant dome]

Console

Ps4

[cursive jacinth]

Probably just reset back to the nearest bench

[median basalt]

the switch stays unlocked when you do that

[cursive jacinth]

Just pretend it's not hit yet

[distant dome]

I have already beaten mantis lords on my current saves

[cursive jacinth]

Oh

I thought you meant you were starting a whole new run every time

[distant dome]

Yeah just wanted to know if there was a better way to do it

[pulsar sand]

Hi! ive never spedrun this game before, but i love speedrunning games. my question is, do i have to play on pc to complete an optimized any% nmg?

i dont have a pc... i play on my ps5

but i love speedrunning, and this looks like a really fun run

[twin swallow]

consoles have their own leaderboard and are timed RTA, so you can run against people with similar hardware and be competitive

you won't have access to debug mod, save states and other helpful practice tools PC has, but otherwise it's (mostly) exactly the same

[pulsar sand]

so practice is harder, but the actual run isnt affected or anything?

someone had mentioned something about downgrading the version of the game to make skips possible/easier

[stray kestrel]

console is locked to current patch, on pc you can downpatch

[twin swallow]

you will be forced to run on the current patch, where some skips are harder/no longer possible

but if you look at pc current patch nmg runs and guides, these will still 100% be relevant

[pulsar sand]

ok, thank you all, im sure ill be back here quite alot

[stray kestrel]

the routes are almost always the same between cp on pc and console

[twin swallow]

console doesn't save and quit at some points due to loading times

[stark birch]

(for example, all skills dash slash / king's brand)

[pulsar sand]

how different is then any% from low% for this game

[stray kestrel]

yea, i think it also comes up for 112

5%

[pulsar sand]

is it just not getting shaman stone? and boss fights being harder

[stray kestrel]

low% does dark deepnest and no dash

[pulsar sand]

oh ok. so not really that exciting

[stray kestrel]

and some hard fireball skips

[twin swallow]

it's exciting, but hard and quite reset-heavy

[stark birch]

that's very subjective; it's got much harder fights and some nasty speedtech in it, but also you have to walk everywhere so it's not for everyone

[pulsar sand]

i typically love low% stuff so ill check it out. but it doesnt sound different enough from any% to be worth it (to me at leas)

[stray kestrel]

some people have run it as their first category but generally its recommended to start with any% or all skills

watch a run of both if you haven't already

[cursive jacinth]

some people have run it as their first category
hi :)

[hallow orchid]

Low% is quite different from any% imo but you fight pretty much the same bosses

[cursive jacinth]

i just like the concept.

[twin swallow]

outside of early deepnest, the key places on the route are the same, but the way you get to and go through those places is very different

[north hemlock]

what if livesplit one comes out when silksong does.

[distant dome]

Well I died on mantis claw split but I got good improvements on the other splits

5:13 on vs split

And 12:00 on mothwing cloak

[cursive jacinth]

@true palm is that creo in your video

[thorn jasper]

the description says so yeah

[cursive jacinth]

watching in discord embed so i didn't see the desc, oop

[distant dome]

I figured out you can pogo off the squit in greenpath if you miss fb skip

I wish I knew that earlier

[grizzled maple]

Its in the doc....

Seriously. Read it

Watch the videos in it

[distant dome]

I did read that's how I learned it

[thorn jasper]

I figured out
this sounds like you realized while playing and experimenting, rather than reading emray's notes

[distant dome]

I meant something else

[grizzled maple]

I made that specifically for a console player with no experience speedrunning. Its probably one of the best absolute beginner guides out there.

Pest was in a call with me giving input as well

[distant dome]

I should probably watch the videos

[stiff delta]

this is true

[thorn jasper]

is it on src guides?

[grizzled maple]

No but I should make it more comprehensive on basic tech and add it.

I cover jumping into loads, fps, nail cancels uhh

Idk maybe ill improve it and make a list

[true palm]

this category isn't beginner friendly because i think its learning curve is significantly steeper, you can feel as though you're not making progress for a particularly long time on some skips (ie mantis pogo, dark deepnest, crystal peak, watcher knights) but if you're willing to put in the time and dedication to gain consistency you'll have a better time

[cursive jacinth]

honestly my first run felt pretty good except for c-heart and thk

i'm gonna practice the hell out of it when i get more freetime to do so

[true palm]

first runs probably feel good, but i'm talking long term the reset rate can get pretty high to continually pb

[cursive jacinth]

well yeah, i expect quite a few resets

[true palm]

anyways i have the trial for splits.io, this might help you undestand the category a little bette

[cursive jacinth]

huh?

[true palm]

hold up its uploading

internet cut out for a second

[copper walrus]

Is there a category with the Sealed Siblings ending?

[thorn jasper]

ok but like how many of those vs resets are king's pass

[thorn jasper]

nope. true ending defeats the radiance

[true palm]

most of them lmao

[copper walrus]

Interesting

[grizzled maple]

Theres be theoretical routes that would do it but nothing solid

[thorn jasper]

how would it not be the TE route?

[grizzled maple]

Its just pointless to get void heart and not kill radiance. You can just get kingsoul for the % and boot if that's what you need

Because TE route explicitly needs that ending. It can't do sealed siblings by definition

[copper walrus]

I see

[true palm]

the whole reason there isnt a sealed siblings category is its just true ending without true ending

[thorn jasper]

no I meant, what are these "theoretical routes" for sealed siblings, and how would they differ from TE routes?

[copper walrus]

Alright

[grizzled maple]

I mean I guess it would be true ending with no radiance. I more meant meme runs

All cheevos has to do it lol

But it doesn't end with it so that answers that

[copper walrus]

Does shade skip work on all versions of the game?

[stiff delta]

Yes

[copper walrus]

K cool

thanks

[stiff delta]

np

[dusk tide]

Is a controller required for speedrunning?

[thorn jasper]

nope, lots of us play on keyboard

[desert kiln]

Hello, I've been playing hollow knight for ages, and I wanted to research the speedrun since that's always been a part of hollow knight i never got into. are there any guides to start?

[twin swallow]

check pins for everything you seek and more

[desert kiln]

thank you!

[north hemlock]

heccing died on cp but somehow got a much better time than last time lmao

(tis an any% nmg btw)

[true palm]

do you know what your actual time is (in game timer is a little mistaken sometimes)

this was a run a week ago

[thorn jasper]

NO WAY UR AHEAD OF FIREB0RN!!!

[serene coral]

fireborn said his favorite tv show of all time is Full House

[thorn jasper]

he's so wholesome

[steady lynx]

The secret to becoming a god gamer is to binge Full House

[fallen forum]

full house any% speedrun (fast forwardless)

[steady lynx]

I'm not downloading that

[thorn jasper]

it's not a text file that's for sure

[steady lynx]

Doesn't look like an image file

[grizzled maple]

Might wanna either elaborate or delete that

[thorn jasper]

@deep berry ^

[old obsidian]

type of file: "file"

aight

[twin swallow]

incredible.

[old obsidian]

windows being ahead of our generation

[grizzled maple]

<@&283547423706447872> troll post

[short spire]

thats just what it says if there is no file extension

[deep berry]

thats the picture

[steady lynx]

Oh

[stray kestrel]

ah

[steady lynx]

It's known

[old obsidian]

ahh

[thorn jasper]

oh lol that's better. yeah we know about this

[grizzled maple]

Yeah thats known

[old obsidian]

there's quite a few of those lmao

[deep berry]

dont know why it made it a file the first time

[old obsidian]

you'll find a few more

[stiff delta]

That is fortnite all right

[thorn jasper]

it's pretty neat but it's not on the optimal path as far as I know. it can be useful to set yourself up if you're struggling to climb I think

[mystic forum]

?

[steady lynx]

We were wrong, sorry

[thorn jasper]

the first file had no extension so we thought it was a troll

[twin swallow]

was a misunderstanding

[grizzled maple]

The blank link they posted was very sketch

[mystic forum]

alright

hi

[deep berry]

no i clicked the wrong button on steam and when i went to copy the screenshot i clicked save as

i deleted the first one

[thorn jasper]

thank you

are you thinking about speedrunning yourself?

just curious

[grizzled maple]

Funny story I actually hit that spot in your screenshot in my hitless fury path of pain run

I've never had my heart stop like that before

[deep berry]

no maybe in the future i do speed run human fall flat though

[short spire]

damn not only hitless but fury too? that's insane, next you're gonna tell me it was steel soul as well

[old obsidian]

im gonna lose my shit if it was with delicate flower

[short spire]

my god

way to up the stakes

[desert kiln]

Hey, I downpatched my Steam hollow knight, and added the exe to steam, but whenever I hit play, it runs the other installation i have, the unity2021 beta, and the menu says 1.4.2.4

obviously i did something wrong

[short spire]

yeah you can if you get it before grabbing the flower

[normal aspen]

does flower heal u or something?

[thorn jasper]

did you add the steam_appid file

ok i know that this is sarcastic but you can't be in the thinking state with discord

glad I could help. I'll have to redirect you elsewhere to make your night

[desert kiln]

yeah, steam_appid.txt that says "367520"

[thorn jasper]

does the file explorer show you steam_appid.txt and hollow_knight.exe?

[true palm]

ie make sure its not steam_appid.txt.txt

[thorn jasper]

steam_appid.txt that says "367520"
make sure those double quotes aren't part of the file

[thorn jasper]

ok the name is correct. can you show us the contents of steam_appid.txt ?

[true palm]

whats the last asset name in your hollow knight data folder?

should be something like sharedassets391

[desert kiln]

sharedassets498.resource

[true palm]

you downloaded the wrong version then

[empty cargo]

Whats a good category to start with?

[stiff delta]

Pins

[desert kiln]

i copy and pasted the command from speedrun.com into the steam console

[true palm]

did you copy and paste the right one?

[empty cargo]

Thx

[true palm]

theres multiple

[desert kiln]

i guess not

[true palm]

this is the last files of a 1221 install

[desert kiln]

since the one above it is 1.4.2.4

i guess i just got the wrong one

[thorn jasper]

that would do it

[true palm]

unfortunate

hey but you can do pantheon all binding IL's now

[desert kiln]

nah i'll just redownload it

okay now i'm getting an error from steamdepotdownpatcher.exe

do i only need to run it once?

[true palm]

if you havent closed steam since then you dont need to run it again

if you're getting an error you're just double running it

[desert kiln]

alright thanks

i got it to work!

but it's super laggy. are there any tips for reducing lag? when i was playing on my old imac the game ran fine but when i switched to a windows pc about a year or so ago, the game became very laggy. using the beta with unity2021 fixed all the lag, but downpatching to 1.2.2.1 made it laggy again

also on fireb0rn's setup video, the pinned comment says steam downpatching is broken. was it fixed? i just did it

[dull lion]

1221 has much more lag in general than current patch so if you’re struggling to run it you might want to consider running on current patch. What kind of specs does your pic have?

[stuck raptor]

1 fpe

[dull lion]

You’re not helping

[stuck raptor]

1 frame per eternity

[true palm]

cant you 0 cycle uumuu with that kind of framerate?

[desert kiln]

not sure if that's what you're asking for

just windows settings

[true palm]

integrated graphics might be tough

you should use a 3rd party tool to check your framerate

[desert kiln]

i... dont know, actually

[true palm]

would you happen to be recording with slobs?

[dull lion]

Yeah if you only have integrated graphics you’ll probably struggle to run 1221 at a stable FPS. I think your processor should be good enough and 8gb ram should be more than enough as well

[desert kiln]

So I just need a graphics card?

[true palm]

yikes

[desert kiln]

Should I be worried about running silksong at an ok frame rate on launch day lol?

[true palm]

probably a decent graphics card to run 1221, but you can check your fps, silksong and current patch should be better

[dull lion]

Possibly, depends whether or not team cherry optimize it well

[true palm]

also dropping frames playing casually is very different than dropping frames in a run

[desert kiln]

Ori and the will of the wisps looks like it’s walking though molasses on my pc

[dull lion]

Hopefully you should be able to run it fine enough for casual play though unless it’s horridly optimized

[thorn jasper]

Ori 2 literally crashed my old pc while loading the main menu

[desert kiln]

I had to play on worst settings and it played at like 75% speed lol

[dull lion]

Ori is a good bit more intensive than hollow knight it looks like from the minimum requirements

[true palm]

you can try dropping your output resolution and fps to something more economical like 720p and 30 fps

it'll still be verifiable and might slow your game less

[desert kiln]

With the steam launch settings?

I did that before I found the beta

What are the commands?

[true palm]

to check your fps, you can use something like rivatuner or you can make 1221 your default install

see this amazing collection of installed games

see how theres different hollow knights

to change a copy to the default install

[true palm]

ins0mnia already one upping me

[desert kiln]

My just says hollow_knight lol

[true palm]

you'll first need to move 1221 to this folder

[dull lion]

You can rename it

[desert kiln]

And it’s seperate from Hollow Knight [open-beta]

[desert kiln]

k

[true palm]

currently you have hollow knight 1221 on your desktop

so move that folder into the steam common folder

and then rename whatever copy is called "Hollow Knight" to "Hollow Knight Cpatch" or something similar

and then rename your 1221 folder to "Hollow Knight"

[desert kiln]

“current patch”?

[true palm]

ye anything works

[desert kiln]

Ok

[true palm]

as long as you can remember what version it is

[desert kiln]

That will make it run a tiny bit faster?

Maybe?

[true palm]

no we're doing this to check your fps

[desert kiln]

Oh

I’m not on my computer rn so I have to wait a bit

[true palm]

k

well by doing what i just said

[desert kiln]

That’s why I’m capitalizing now, bc my phone autocorrects

[true palm]

when you launch "Hollow Knight" from steam it will launch 1221

and you can use steam overlay to show fps

[old obsidian]

@normal aspen you're missing out on the good 1006 stuff

yes

your pc will actually start to intercumb itself into antimatter

[desert kiln]

also, it might not be FPS, it might just be input lag

On the current versions that ran slow, it was just input lag, not lower FPS for some reason

[dull lion]

They’re tied together in hollow knight. Also make sure you turn vsync off if you haven’t

[desert kiln]

Yep

It’s off

Or... I turned it off for the wrong patch which i deleted, I need to check again

[dull lion]

Wasn’t there some bug where vsync stayed on after playing the beta? That could be causing issues

[true palm]

ye it for someone reason makes a file in your registry, don't remember which ones the culprit

btw, saw this glitch https://www.twitch.tv/videos/930790936 i understand the interaction for the bench was still active when he tried to interact with the toll, but why?

[desert kiln]

that is very fun

Beta?

[true palm]

nope thats current patch

that happend in a run

[desert kiln]

whaaa

How

[normal aspen]

yeah that happens

[true palm]

so what the bench interaction just lingers forever?

because that was so long

[normal aspen]

pressed up then dashed next frame and it stored the interact the next time they press up iirc

[true palm]

they never pressed up

they pressed down

[twin swallow]

same thing

up/down both interact

[true palm]

k makes sense

[desert kiln]

I just learned about inventory storage, and the first thing I thought was: has anyone accidentally done that in a NMG run?

[true palm]

yup

[normal aspen]

yeah yeepnest drop

[twin swallow]

pretty sure torkjeld lost a 4ms world record to inventory storage lol

[true palm]

happens in crossroads too

[desert kiln]

oof

I feel bad now

[true palm]

the big one to avoid is to avoid immediately inventory dropping after the elevator room as it can happen in that transition

[desert kiln]

Are there any other things like that I have to watch out for?

[true palm]

be careful not to screw around with elevators

[desert kiln]

Elevators are whack?

[true palm]

you can get elevator storage and/or televator if you repeatedly do dumb stuff with them

both of which are major

elevator storage lets you clip out of bound iirc

and televator causes the elevator to instantly teleport

[desert kiln]

Wow, this game is way more broken than I remembered

[true palm]

other than that theres nothing you'd run into without trying your hardest

[desert kiln]

Alright, thank you

[ionic sparrow]

this game is pretty broken if you know where to look

its fun

[true palm]

you should watch an all glitches run

[ionic sparrow]

watch nmms

its more wtf inducing

[true palm]

really?

[ionic sparrow]

ag is wild in other ways

[true palm]

do they kill thk in crystal peaks too?

because that boggled my mind

[ionic sparrow]

nah thats just ag

[normal aspen]

nmms has a lot more cool stuff going on

[desert kiln]

Excuse me?

[ionic sparrow]

yeah thk spike is based

[normal aspen]

coz u cant just do mms > win

[ionic sparrow]

ye

mms is crazy

really breaks the game in a screwy way

[true palm]

dont know the specifics but they load both black egg and crystal peaks at the same time and thk just runs into spikes

[desert kiln]

Is it hard?

[true palm]

you can softlock your game pretty easily i've heard

i'm not seasoned enough in glitched categories to make an assertion on difficulty

outside of Krythoms run havent watched a lot of glitched runs

and watching it still wouldnt let me know how hard it is to run

[desert kiln]

Kinda sad I can’t run hollow knight it’s tied for my favorite game of all time

Bc my pc is crap lol

[true palm]

you could probably run current patch

[desert kiln]

Current patch lags

[harsh mason]

deal with the lag

[desert kiln]

But it isn’t viable to run with lag, right?

[true palm]

you dont have to get world record in a run or anything crazy

speedrunning is about personal improvement

[desert kiln]

Well yeah there’s no way I’m getting anywhere close to wr

[true palm]

so given hardware limitations, if you set realistic expectations, and you enjoy yourself, no reason not to run

like when anyone talks about downpatching or minimum fps, this is for the most optimal, but you dont need to be the most optimal to compare to yourself

[desert kiln]

Is there a category for the beta? Or is that too unstable?

[harsh mason]

not yet

[desert kiln]

alright, they have been reversed, and when i open "Hollow Knight" (the one with the community content and achievements and stuff) it launches 1.2.2.1

how do i see my fps?

[silver snow]

you can open up the steam overlay while in game and do it from there

settings > in-game

[desert kiln]

seems to be fluctuating at a comfortable 25 fps

lol

[silver snow]

oof .. lol

[desert kiln]

waaaiiittt

i just put "-screen-width 1280-screen-height 720" in launch options and now it plays at above 60 fps lol

is this ok for runs?

it gives me more space to put livesplit lol

[silver snow]

seems fine if it stays at 60

think you can turn particles to low or something

[desert kiln]

particles are low and vsync is off

[silver snow]

i know the Hollow Knight fight can cause spikes in fps

[desert kiln]

it's just a lot smaller in size, giant black bars all around the game screen

it's like playing a badly ported wii game on wii u

[silver snow]

aw man , lol

[desert kiln]

ahem metroid prime trilogy

but it runs fine, so it's good!

[silver snow]

nice!

[desert kiln]

i will try to finish a run

[silver snow]

gl!

[desert kiln]

thank you very much!

why does the z key not advance menus in 1.2.2.1 this will take a lot of getting used to

[silver snow]

not sure, i use controller

[cursive jacinth]

until now i thought i was insane for thinking that it used to advance menus

[weary root]

Not a keyboard player but i believe only the default keys advance text on 1221

[cursive jacinth]

z is a default key though. maybe i actually am insane and i'm somehow thinking of something else entirely

like how z doesn't work when paused

[weary root]

Game is 🥴

[vast marsh]

Hey, I did this thing on steam where you can have 2 versions of Hollow Knight listed and open the one you choose, but it's not working for me anymore

now it's just opening the latest version again

[polar jay]

Ay got a question how do I start speed running

[pine shore]

downpatch, live split, debug mod, route learning would be a good start

Alot of info under "Guides" and "Resources" under speedrun.com/hollowknight

[polar jay]

Ok thanks I will try to get a pc to do it I'll just practice for now

[polar jay]

Ok will read

[true palm]

do you have the steamapp_id file in the folder still

and are you launching from the folder or the steam

[vast marsh]

oh for some reason it changed to steam_appid.txt.txt

[true palm]

welp that should fix it

[vast marsh]

that's weird, but it works now, thanks

[true palm]

no problem, sometimes its like that

[chrome jay]

how do I do, with a mac ?

to time a speedrun without load times ??

[verbal stag]

you can't, unfortunately

[chrome jay]

not at all ?

[verbal stag]

nope, the timer program we use to remove load times doesn't work on mac

[chrome jay]

ok

there aren't any mac timer program ?

[thin path]

@chrome jay you could try using bootcamp to download windows on your mac

[chrome jay]

I'll try

[snow dome]

The other option is to use a real time timer (literally just a timer from when you start to when you finish). This is how other Mac runs are timed, so you're competing on a fair level there.

[proud wave]

Does the depotDownloader downpatching method still work for Steam? Or has it changed since the Feb 2020 Verulean tutorial that seems to be the standard?

[digital jewel]

the video tutorial is not totally helpful anymore

[proud wave]

Oh, I see the guide on the speedrunner website. Is that up to date? (https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten)

[digital jewel]

yes

[proud wave]

Neat. I'll try that, thanks.

[hearty adder]

Remember to read it thoroughly while downpatching; if you run into any issues I'm sure people will be very quick to help you

[proud wave]

Sounds good.

[regal viper]

I can do watchers like 1/8 times now

Time to learn CHeart

[ashen echo]

Does anyone know if its possible to downpatch on console?

[digital jewel]

no it's not

console versions were released much later than PC

even if you could downpatch you'd have no faster versions than current patch

[ashen echo]

Rip

So I'm guessing it's not really worth speedrunning on console

[ionic cargo]

they have their own leaderboards so you complete with other console players

[ionic cargo]

so its still fair and there isnt an outstanding amount of difference between console and pc

[ashen echo]

Ty

[twin swallow]

Check out current patch pc guides and resources if there are any available for the route you want to run, as these will usually be identical route- and strategy-wise to console runs

Of all the possible variants I have heard over the years, this is a new one 🤔

[knotty vigil]

Does anyone know a list of all skips that dont work on current patch

[ionic cargo]

also 1 hit kill elder baulders

[knotty vigil]

Thanks i started speed running yesterday and im currently stuck on the lever skip before the 3 spinny guys but i guess it doesnt even work lol

Thanks a lot for the help im gonna try get there now

[haughty fossil]

my initials are JB so I just think "oh cool is me hyperion"

[digital jewel]

jamie (the) best

[haughty fossil]

u

[thorn jasper]

Jersonal Best

[plush light]

How do I download the speedrun programme

[digital jewel]

what's the speedrun program

[vocal dove]

live split?

[plush light]

i mean the one to count time

[digital jewel]

livesplit.org

[plush light]

Thanks

[limpid dust]

path of pain

[plush light]

pog

Congrats

any tips on doing poh speedruns?

Is sub25 even realistic for a casual?

[jagged vault]

Sub25 is very very difficult without Fury of the Fallen strategies

[harsh mason]

you can set your nail damage to fury with debug mod, to practice cycles as if you had fury

and i would probably bite the bullet and just do fotf straight away, more damage = faster kills = more consistent and less fatigue

and you can always stop doing fotf strategies later on in the pantheon once the bosses get harder

[plush light]

I mean

I have AE so I can handle bosses

Is sub 25 with fury hard?

[haughty fossil]

yes.

[jagged vault]

Sub 25 is a difficult achievment regardless

[steady lynx]

So for like KP IL, how do we time it on console? Like I checked the Xbone run on src and it said the time was corrected to compare to PC times

[wet marten]

i want to yeet myself into speedrunning, but i was wondering if HK was the best game to begin speedrun

[digital jewel]

it's many people's first game

what other games were you considering starting with

[old obsidian]

It's been my first game to speedrun as well and it's honestly a great choice it has a lot to offer

[ionic cargo]

same it has a lot of diversity in terms of categories

[regal viper]

I started with smo but HK is very fun and has a lot of categories

[wet marten]

minecraft, BOTW, Undertale for exemple

but HK has a lot of categories so :v

[digital jewel]

maybe biased but I'd suggest hollow knight over those. minecraft seems very rng and botw will be hard to practice since it's on console

[limpid dust]

I wouldn't advice botw for starting

[digital jewel]

idk anything about undertale

[limpid dust]

minecraft is like completely different from other speed games so it depends on ur taste

[wet marten]

i'll see later but thanks i guess :p

I shall begin by finishing those 112%

[vocal dove]

i gave up on BOTW when i got stuck on the first BTB. HK is much friendlier.

[keen river]

In the QoL speedrun is it against the rules to use the EnemyHPBar mod?

[haughty fossil]

yes

[humble zealot]

I kinda want to speedrun Hungry Knight but I'm too dumb to set up autosplits, can someone help with that?
Disclaimer: I don't even have any kind of split thing installed

[ionic cargo]

not that Im aware of

[humble zealot]

I mean I don't really know how to work anything like that so don't ask me lmao

What split program should I use

I know nothing about this

[ionic cargo]

you use live split (but dont ask me how to use it because idk)

[ionic cargo]

actually the pins have smth better

[thorn jasper]

plenty of us didn't

@humble zealot there's also a autosplit/livesplit guide in the pins that is specifically tailored for hollow knight

about a couple months after I started speedrunning yeah

[ionic cargo]

I still haven't even beaten pv legitimately

[quiet saddle]

How far behind the edges of the visible screen does fireball fly?

Or does it basically end once it's off screen

[quiet saddle]

https://youtu.be/a-aCaVTAUtc

Go to the part of the video where he talks about setting up Livesplit (41:51)

[humble zealot]

Thanks but I was talking about hungry knight lmao

[quiet saddle]

Oh shit, completely misread your first message lmao

Nvm

[humble zealot]

lol it's fine

I will say Hungry Knight 2 is also a good speedrunning game

[quiet saddle]

Hungry Knight seems listed in the autosplitter options, so the setup is probably simple

[humble zealot]

oh it is? nice

[ionic cargo]

its hard to say but this is an good example, it goes as far to the elder baulder https://youtu.be/FFZy2gtwpI4?t=348

[quiet saddle]

Ah, ok, so just past then.

Which means I need to rethink my WK fight haha

[ionic cargo]

yes (unless I'm completely wrong)

[broken sun]

You can generally hear if it hits even off screen right?

[ionic cargo]

yes, you can hear it in the ''clip''

[dull lion]

about getting 112% before speedrunning... I killed THK for the first time in my first speedrun. I got like 80% on my first playthrough and just never got around to actually fighting him lol. I saw a good few rooms for the first time during my first room rando

[random oak]

couple of questions.

1. Is it possible to set up a save state to practice the hits on Uumuu without having to go through the entire fight?
2. In the fight is the fast/slow attack based on RNG or does it matter on the positioning you put the knight in?

[last inlet]

1. i dont think so
2. nope, pure rng

[hasty aurora]

If about to get into hollow knight speedrunning and I wanted to ask how was your first ever speedrun?

[digital jewel]

a save state can only be before the entire fight

[hasty aurora]

What got u into the games speedrunning side?

[digital jewel]

slow/fast attack is rng, but the boss will never do the same attack 3 times in a row

so if your first cycle you get [slow, fast, fast] then the first attack of the 2nd cycle will always be a slow attack

[harsh mason]

you could mod the game,
add a position set to the fsm state that opens his bubble to put him in the middle of the platform
and add a changestate from the bubble close to bubble open state

[thorn jasper]

my first full run was okay because I practiced a bunch of the individual parts beforehand

[harsh mason]

and it'll just loop the entire thing over and over, make it reset its hp too if you want to practice over and over

[thorn jasper]

I loved the game, then I started watching twitch streamers speedrun it. Eventually I was like...that's cool, I wanna do it

[meager current]

HK was my first speed game

[thorn jasper]

I consider myself a Hollow Knight speedrunner, not a speedrunner who is currently running Hollow Knight

[hallow orchid]

I did the 5hr achievement and wanted to go faster so I looked up the any% route and tried it. Took longer than my route-less achievement run because WK lol

[meager current]

[quiet saddle]

Yea, I'm doing that now. Got like 60 hours logged just on route+boss practice

[random oak]

How complicated is that? Because it sounds like it would be really difficult lol

[ionic cargo]

I played a game, I got bored, I decided to try to go fast, I had fun, I decided to sr hk

[hasty aurora]

Ye im about to get into Hollow knight speedrunnign cause I love the game I have done a 100% playthrough 2 time

My best is now at 103%

When u need to go fast-ismas tear no crystal heart skip go br

Sorry for bad spelling

Btw Im not that bad at the aspit double spike kill in forgotten crossroads

[harsh mason]

probably not super difficult, this is the loop you'd need to do

[thorn jasper]

1221 or current patch? if current patch, I hate to burst your bubble but it's a lot easier than 1221

but it's still great!

[hasty aurora]

1221 I havent tried the recent patch

Thanks

[thorn jasper]

I'm still bad at it

[hasty aurora]

🧿

I ground it out

Groundhog Day

XF

XD

Btw how do you make like a save point I saw it being used on YT like when you finish a room you can just reset it howM

?

[formal bough]

debug mod I would think?

[hasty aurora]

Ok ty

[digital jewel]

can you avoid sending memes and reaction images here

[hasty aurora]

Ok sorry Im still new

And 1 more question how do you get a verified run on the leaderboard?

[formal bough]

by reading the pins

[thorn jasper]

submit the recording on speedrun.com. make sure to read the rules

[harsh mason]

wow reading is a prerequisite, so much for being tolerant
think of the blind and/or illiterate

[thorn jasper]

(to be fair they didn't ask how to get the role which is directly answered; their question reads more like a follow-up to that pin answer)

[meager current]

its more like how do i submit the run imo

[hasty aurora]

Exactly

[meager current]

so on the src page, you go to the run category you want to submit in

[thorn jasper]

upload the recording to like youtube or something

[meager current]

there should be a submit run button

[hasty aurora]

And then send them the link?

[thorn jasper]

submit run will bring you to a form where you paste in the link

[hasty aurora]

Ok ty

[meager current]

and then from there you fill in the run details including the youtube link and stuff