hmm interesting
#speedrunning
deft flame
haughty fossil
though actually thinking about it that is avoidable if you're just not as pepega as me
the feel of the con is 10/10 though, couldn't recommend more
dull lion
I do @deft flame and I really like it
Like significantly more than my old Xbox one elite controller
bronze anchor
I have the new xbox controller and it's the first d-pad I haven't totally hated
I don't like the bumpers as much as the old xbox one version, though I've gotten used to it
vast marsh
I saw some people (don't remember if it was HK speedrunners) who had their steam setup with multiple versions of the same game in different places
is there a way to do that in steam with HK?
lucid stirrup
yes
if you install a version of 1221 on your computer, go to add a game in the bottom left, and then add your 1221 exe
then you can call it whatever you want and launch it from steam like norml
vast marsh
Actually I'll say, it doesn't have anything to do with speedrunning specifically - I just wanted to use the public beta while being able to keep CW with mods.
I'm just asking here since I was assuming more people here would know how to do that
haughty fossil
all you need is to copy the game files and add a file steam_appid.txt to the folder, containing the game id, which for hk is 367520
then add as a non steam game and you're good
lucid stirrup
the steam_appid.txt is literally a notepad file with the number 367520 in it
vast marsh
wacky
regal viper
Guys I just killed watchers twice in a row I feel like a god gamer
vast marsh
thanks btw
regal viper
I'm starting to like the fight
vast marsh
Guys I just killed watchers twice in a row I feel like a god gamer<:shroompog:58...
also nice job! 
lucid stirrup
its a very nice fight
regal viper
I still feel upset and frustrated
bronze anchor
It's a really fun fight once it stops killing you immediately haha
lucid stirrup
and also feels very fair when u git gud
regal viper
But now I feel better
lucid stirrup
yeah, make sure you are nail cancelling if you wanna really improve it
regal viper
For now on I'll try to not get killed
fallen zodiac
hey, im trying to downpatch my steam install of hollow knight to 1.2.2.1 and following this guide https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten
but it seems to have run into a problem and it keeps looping the same two or 3 sets of lines with either logonfailure 3 or logonfailure 48 inbetween each bit. Can anyone help?
at the very least i would like to know if i can safely exit this and retry
digital jewel
you're using the steam console?
fallen zodiac
wait really??
gdi
well in that case can i safely exit console and retry this later
or should i leave the console up until steam servers return
digital jewel
if you close steam you'll need to reapply the patch
fallen zodiac
ok
thats fine
it appears steam servers are back, but im still running into a similar issue
its looping the same 2 lines over and over
kind flume
It's probably you going back and forth between windows
fallen zodiac
one of them is the other is
maybe not, then 
fallen zodiac
no nothing
it only seems to appear after I switch tabs but it doesn't look like it's related to that
I've done the download_depot thing again and now it's sitting there saying downloading but nothing else is showing up
haughty fossil
that is steam controller handling activating and deactivating
fallen zodiac
oh I see
fallen zodiac
oh I guess I was impatient, I ran this a couple times is it gonna mess up given that?
fallen zodiac
kek
oh pog it completed
thank you guys
well new issue i went to the location specified in the guide and the latest patch opens when i launch
haughty fossil
read the rest of the downpatching guide
meager current
cp better 😠
old sphinx
cp better if you can't run 1221 for sure
meager current
cp better if you run 4ms
lucid stirrup
1221 better if you can't run cp for sure
meager current
cp has tiktik pogo cycle
old sphinx
That's cursed wtf
fair island
Tik tik pogo cycle?
lucid stirrup
yea what
lucid stirrup
literally no way it saves 2s over statue pogo
meager current
cp 4ms
old sphinx
Or it's not the same tiktik
meager current
digital jewel
wrong strat
meager current
before 1st grub
lucid stirrup
ohh
meager current
lucid stirrup
wait 1221 is still faster for 4ms right?
digital jewel
yea
meager current
comsob for 4ms cp is 7:47.74
old sphinx
7:77 
meager current
dont
old sphinx
So cp is probably faster for 4ms?
lucid stirrup
doubt
digital jewel
no pharest
lucid stirrup
they start 6s down in kp, can it even make that up alone?
digital jewel
that's one 2s trick
lucid stirrup
let alone the fact that it loses time to like almost every room
old sphinx
Maybe there's more idk 
meager current
cp 4ms is still better because it looks cooler
digital jewel
but cp loses 8-9s between kp and mawlek
almost everything else is the exact same between the 2
old sphinx
You need to drag a mosquito to reach a ms in that room
digital jewel
you catch the exact same cycle in goam room I'm pretty sure
meager current
^
lucid stirrup
probably depends on ur pc tho ( i dont actually know cause i dont run 4ms so this is kinda meant as a question )
like could a kanra pc catch the cycle?
meager current
if everyone gets the same cycle on 1221 i would guess that everyone would get the same cycle on cp
meager current
w h y
lucid stirrup
which is why cp any% runners have to make up their own strat for goam room
old sphinx
Is it good to have fast loadings or slow ones?
meager current
i just do what 1221 any% does
lucid stirrup
i remember asking kanra what she did for goam room, and her strat literally didn't work for me because she had a slower pc
lucid stirrup
Is it good to have fast loadings or slow ones?
as far as any% goes, if you have a fast enough pc you can catch the 1221 cycle. If you have a potato you have to do scuffed strats
so better pc = better at least for any%/All skills/the other cats that do that room the same way
meager current
my pc is fast enough
4ms literally does that room like any% until the fly
then we slowly lead it back and its hell because the vengefly kills itself
frank obsidian
yooooooo imma become a speedrunner
@digital jewel can u help me
am i allowed to run without the livesplit thingy
digital jewel
yes you are but your runs will be slow
frank obsidian
also can i use the moresaves mod so i dont have to delete my important saves
frank obsidian
yes you are but your runs will be slow
im okay with that. it doesnt have to be a good speedrun, just a speedrun
stark birch
no mods are allowed for leaderboard runs, even the modding api
digital jewel
no you can't use mods
how about you read the FAQ in the pinned messages and the rules on speedrun.com
and you can get back to me if you have any more questions afterwards
frank obsidian
okay, i dont understand why moresaves isnt allowed but i will listen
meager current
because the api changes how the game runs
verbal stag
the modding api affects the performance of the game
keen river
is it at all possible to downpatch on mac?
sick ravenBOT
Saves
Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)
Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\``` ** ** Mac File Paths: ```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/ Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/``` ** ** Linux File Paths: ```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/ Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```
grizzled maple
yes, but if you come across issues, there aren't too many people here who are experienced enough with mac to help you.
meager current
or you could run any% qol 
keen river
i'm thinking of doing current patch any%
frank obsidian
wait can i do loophole
grizzled maple
verbal stag
mostly likely not
meager current
what is the loophole
hearty adder
There was someone very recently who downpatched with mac, if you scroll up you'll probably find the info you need for downpatching mac
grizzled maple
if the loophole is running on the hkmods leaderboard then sure
frank obsidian
i do a modded any% in modded category run so i can use moresaves and not have to delete any of my important saves!
hearty adder
You can just back up your saves and then delete them
So you'll have copies for when you need them
digital jewel
I don't think removing the mod would delete any saves
grizzled maple
well, I'm not 100% sure, but I believe you are only allowed to have specific mods for specific categories
verbal stag
backing up saves is really easy, you just copy some files
grizzled maple
but also yeah just back up your files
hearty adder
> **Saves**
> ** **
> Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, A...
^^
frank obsidian
I don't think removing the mod would delete any saves
i know it doesnt, but then i only have 4 save slots and they are all full with important stuff
frank obsidian
well, I'm not 100% sure, but I believe you are only allowed to have specific mod...
where do i find this
formal bough
you can just move them and back them up
digital jewel
then make copies of your saves
formal bough
check the rules section on the modded categories I Would think
frank obsidian
ok
grizzled maple
-go to that save location
-in that file path you'll find files called user1.dat, user2.dat, etc
-those are the slot numbers
-copy the ones you don't want to lose in a safe place
-you can even rename them to the other numbers to move around which slot it shows in
hk is luckily a VERY easy game to mess with saves
cobalt pebble
quick question, where can I download the timer, that times my speedruns?
verbal stag
cobalt pebble
thanks
regal viper
Can someone link me vysuals or pests watchers guide please?
low bramble
regal viper
Thanks
low bramble
gl
regal viper
I'll need it
formal bough
why would you delete a save we are telling you how to move it
frank obsidian
i dont want to do that, i dont want to mess with the files
its fine, i dont need the speedcompletion anyway
verbal stag
you aren't messing with the files, you literally just copy them
formal bough
yeah you don't need to delete the file to copy it. literally just increased safety
jagged vault
so how do i do this, do i just stream it on twitch?
you don't need to stream on twitch if you don't want to
you can just record the footage as well
just as long as it is available on a permanent site
frank obsidian
you can just record the footage as well
lmao you assume i hav space to record that
jagged vault
for example, uploading it to youtube etc
formal bough
yeah then streaming works, and you have to make sure you have save vods/highlight them.
formal bough
i dunno I've never streamed I just cleared storage space to record locally
haughty fossil
google can be your friend here too
meager current
Speaking of recording I need to get rid of all my old records that have took up half my harddrive
haughty fossil
alex stream tho 
thorn jasper
<@!478438004206338057> how do i turn on save vods
no need to ping individuals for help. some find it rude
mighty girder
wtf
so like, are certain JUMPS easier at lower fps?
like fireball skips and shit
haughty fossil
afaik no, i mean your inputs are lagged at lower fps
to a pretty disgusting extent
ionic sparrow
what do you mean jumping is fps dependent
grizzled maple
its knockback most notably that has an advantage. which is why the cp epogo works at low fps but not normally
mighty girder
I don't know pest lmao
grizzled maple
also weird things can happen like stalling fireballs to kill a baldur with only one
thats at like 3 though lmao
mighty girder
I'm just looking at a race vod and the dirtmouth jumps are like, not the same
one jump is faster than the other or something
it's freaking me out lmao
grizzled maple
they probably just are meming or jumping at the wrong timing
mighty girder
Oh god thank god I'm not the only one
normal aspen
I did little to nothing right that run, don't watch it for any actual insight on good speedrunning
normal aspen
Fuck if I know
mighty girder
lmao
stray kestrel
I did little to nothing right that run, don't watch it for any actual insight on...
including ||skipping cpeak grub|| and ||killing myla||, dont do either
normal aspen
That Was all I did right lmao
mighty girder
it really did look like the fall speed was faster though
which I suppose might make sense, fall acceleration being just a bit faster
but the overall jump ark largely the same
sounds just spaghetti enough
or maybe ohko just didn't buffer as cleanly or something
w/e it's no big deal lol
elder gale
How to play optimized
Like I know you're all gonna say 'with practice' but im starting to get annoyed when i just cant play cleanly
hearty adder
Look up optimized strats and practice those
dull lion
Yeah it really just is a comes with time thing. You can make it come faster by actively paying attention to it as you play though. Tell yourself if you think your turnarounds were slow or fast etc.
hearty adder
Take your time to understand what you're doing so you can grasp it faster
normal aspen
That and going room by toom with timer mod and comsob open
elder gale
Yeah but I mean like with hk its not just strats, there is so much more that I cant even see that comsobs do. Like yeah its just crazy how good some guys are with this game
hearty adder
Understanding how the game works on a mechanical level helps
ionic sparrow
being hypercritical comes with vod review and room by room practice
with a timer up
twin swallow
when I was learning any%, I didn't take in everything top players were doing all at once. pick out a few things to work on and then once you have those nailed down, come back and try something else
dreamy bough
^
elder gale
I mean like for me it feels I do everything perfectly on kp and still 52.4 is my best. Usually low 53. And yeah I dont care my kp time and I shouldnt but the idea about losing time without even noticing is just ehhh
dreamy bough
work out what your biggest timesaves are, too
ionic sparrow
okay but like kp timesave is cringe
all about landing directly on edges of platforms
and its so cursed
twin swallow
unironically kp is my worst split in 4ms, i just do not want to grind it so whatever
hearty adder
Kp optimization is cursed
normal aspen
52 kp is fine unless ur going for actual gamer time
haughty fossil
kp sucks
hearty adder
But yeah, it really comes down to just having the time to improve via focused practice and doing runs
Top runners have been going at it for a long time
elder gale
But yeah. I think I just have to deal with the fact that my early game is worse than I want becouse early game doesnt matter. Just looks bad
normal aspen
What's your pb out of curiosity?
normal aspen
Might be worth comparing your golds to comsob answering the splits you lose the most time
elder gale
Yeah I started learning some mid splits. Thats just takes long to learn every split so I tried to run today for a long time and just got disppointment to my early game inconsistency
Tomorrow i propably continue with segment practice
strong vessel
I failed explosion pogo seven times in a row the other day
This is what I get for pretty much only practicing Queen's Gardens
elder gale
Explosion pogo kinda easy. Mantis pogo tho kills my mantis claw
strong vessel
I keep doing the setup but it never works consistently :(
elder gale
Then its bad setup
strong vessel
No, the bad part is me
elder gale
Or are you doing cp or 1221
strong vessel
1221
elder gale
Then its bad setup
Do you look at background lines to start your jump
Becouse there is clear indicator when you want to jump
elder gale
Oh
haughty fossil
double dash is fake and you can't change my mind 
elder gale
I cant mantispogo either
thorn jasper
for mantis double dash pogo, my recent epiphany was to let myself jump higher off the first mantis. like jump into the ceiling before the dash
elder gale
I can just do fireball version with good luck
strong vessel
Yeah, I just improvise a fireball stall
short spire
for mantis double dash pogo, my recent epiphany was to let myself jump higher of...
yeah touching the ceiling before the first air dash is critical
thorn jasper
yeah touching the ceiling before the first air dash is critical
I never recall that being made clear in fireb0rn's any% guide. I could be dumb though
leaden python
general idea is you want your pogo to be as high as you can get. Ceiling is just perfect visual cue
nocturne leaf
where can i look at the rules for speedrun.com any% NMG speedruns?
digital jewel
on speedrun.com
nocturne leaf
where on speedrun.com?
digital jewel
there's a button that says View Rules
and you can see the Game Rules and the individual Category Rules for each category
in the tabs there
valid umbra
what’s the steps to doing a 112% run?
like how runners have a list with times in the top corner with objectives.
I’m not a speed runner but I need 112% asap, so if someone would be so kind as to walk me through it
weary root
You need a program called LiveSplit, which you can find in the pins.
valid umbra
on console my G 
weary root
and you can find splits for it pinned in 1xx-percent i believe
valid umbra
and you can find splits for it pinned in 1xx-percent i believe
that’s super useful, I don’t think I can read lss files though, so not really
If I can read them then I can copy them down in a note somewhere
stuck raptor
you load them into livesplit
valid umbra
I do not have a computer
stuck raptor
then getting that program that runners use is never gonna help you anyway
just fast forward through a 112% run and write down what they have
or go to
?guides
sick ravenBOT
valid umbra
that is good
hallow orchid
I’m not a speed runner but I need 112% asap, so if someone would be so kind as t...
if you're looking to get 112% as fast as possible but not speedrun it, the 112% speedrun route is probably not what you want to do, it's pretty difficult
valid umbra
ah
hallow orchid
If you're doing it to speedrun it, then the guide for 112% on src is actually quite out of date
hallow orchid
#resources message is a link to a current pastebin for the 112% route though
steady lynx
I have changed my ways, I am no longer a masher, I now time my nail inputs
haughty fossil
- use quick cast
- you're either turning around too slow or jumping too early
- you're losing height between fireballs
distant dome
2 or 3
haughty fossil
solution to 2: jump later. if you can't turn around fast enough, use dpad override if on controller, or SOCD cleaner on kb, to make it easier
solution to 3: practice the timing w/ infinite soul in debug
distant dome
I cant use debug I'm on console
haughty fossil
solution to 3: practice the timing w/ spell twister or something idk, just try not to lose height between fireballs by timing your quick cast inputs
distant dome
I barely lose height between fireballs but I just barely miss the ledge
formal bough
want to send a clip?
haughty fossil
you shouldn't lose any height
distant dome
I wish it wasn't so tedious to retry on console
grizzled maple
a video would really help us help you figure it out though
console is just hard honestly
idk if i would call myself a top runner, but i dont usually miss fb skips (for the record everyone does sometimes) and on console i was like 50/50 and just didnt care if i missed one
theyre very minor time loss anyway
you could just be simply losing height due to input delay to literally no fault of your own sometimes
hallow orchid
It's definitely harder on console, as someone who did low% elegy on the switch lol
haughty fossil
excuse me mathulu you did what
grizzled maple
lol
distant dome
So I have the harder experience here with speedruns so if I get a good time I must be good at this game
hallow orchid
Getting elegy with the lowest % possible lol, you don't get dash and fireball skips are a way of life
haughty fossil
i should just accept math can do anything at this point
steady lynx
math, wtf
normal aspen
fireball skips 
haughty fossil
pop on guitar hero guitar? literally free
normal aspen
did u do fb epogo?
steady lynx
Also low% elegy% on guitar when?
hallow orchid
No insomnia this was a while ago I didn't even know it existed
grizzled maple
yeah that happens when you stagger her or kill her during a dive
normal aspen
smh my head free wr
grizzled maple
iirc its if shes about to hit the ground
steady lynx
Had it happen in my first 112 practice run
distant dome
iirc its if shes about to hit the ground
I like your cat
grizzled maple
thanks shes a good girl. one day youll have blue name and have access to cat/duck spam chat
distant dome
How get blue name?
grizzled maple
have a verified run on speedrun.com
haughty fossil
hearty adder
and then link it here asking for the role
haughty fossil
which console?
distant dome
Ps4
haughty fossil
iirc you can stream to twitch off ps4
distant dome
north hemlock
fun fact: thats what happened lol
haughty fossil
then save the vod from that
distant dome
I did it
distant dome
iirc you can stream to twitch off ps4
How
distant dome
I hope I dont have to use a mic
steady lynx
You don't have to
distant dome
I'm gonna try fb skip a couple more times
steady lynx
Just game audio has to be there
grizzled maple
just needs game sound, not even music
distant dome
Is there an easy way to use live splits on ps4
jagged vault
no, you cannot get the program on console
console runs are timed in real time for this reason
you can still use it timing real time if you have a laptop or computer nearby, but the autosplitter and load remover will not work
distant dome
The mods would have to time it because I can only use my phone
haughty fossil
that's fine, we already do to verify the time submitted is correct
distant dome
So now I just need to practice
I'm glad I joined this discord because now I can speedrun on console and talk to people who also love hollow knight
steady lynx
My PS4 112 run didn't have timer since I didn't actually plan on it being a run so we just had to time it from the stream time
distant dome
112% sounds like a very long run
steady lynx
It's only four and a half hours
distant dome
I could not spend 4 hours on a speedrun
haughty fossil
that's what they all say, and then 2 months later you've spent 2 weeks doing nothing but 2 hour item randomizers
grizzled maple
the secret is to have zero respect for your own time
distant dome
And just for clarification I'm just timing the individual splits
Last time I didn't say that there was an argument about my 3:40 time on vs split
steady lynx
I just wanna try PC 112 soon so I can see how I compare to the PC runners, might even be top 10
haughty fossil
what do you split before vs 
steady lynx
Console timing starts on file select (or mode select if you have Steelsoul/Godseeker unlocked)
distant dome
Does anyone here have a world record
short spire
nah
limpid ruin
I do
short spire
the wr holders are too cool to hang out with us
haughty fossil
considering basically everyone in the hk speedrunning community is here, no not at all
distant dome
I know skurry does
old obsidian
this game has wr holders?
limpid ruin
That's why I don't hang here
steady lynx
Only Monstah, Skurry and Fire have WR's and they're too cool for us
sick pewter
holy shit watcher knights are fucking horse shit they're gonna make me quit trying i hate them so much
ionic sparrow
mood
old obsidian
mood
granite field
I'm glad I joined this discord because now I can speedrun on console and talk to...
that was exactly my thoughts when I joined
distant dome
Only Monstah, Skurry and Fire have WR's and they're too cool for us
Skurry was here yesterday
steady lynx
shh
steady lynx
I think emray typed earlier, she's WR holder in the fabled 105% category
haughty fossil
mood
schy i didn't know you got to watcher knights, how is the routing from path of pain up to there?
distant dome
skurry is retired
Since when
hallow orchid
old obsidian
^+1 ):
old obsidian
schy i didn't know you got to watcher knights, how is the routing from path of p...
routing is currently implying trying to get debug working on 1221 while having headaches and it's not going great
short spire
im pretty sure the path of pain record is 2:29 by monstahler, why else would it have the most yt views
old obsidian
ah god damn it I forgot abt monsta
granite field
Does anyone here have a world record
I had WR for Menderbug% for like an (happy) hour
then some people took it from me
hallow orchid
world records are measured in views, not seconds
granite field
😤
nocturne leaf
i submitted a run, any% NMG 246th place
distant dome
I had WR for Menderbug% for like an (happy) hour
then some people took it from m...
Skurry had it at some point
short palm
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nocturne leaf
what do i have to do to get speedrunner role?
haughty fossil
is it verified?
granite field
Skurry had it at some point
I know, he has a 1 well descent menderbug iirc
nocturne leaf
yep
formal bough
link the run and ping one speedrun com mod
haughty fossil
post a link and wait for light blue name to notice you
hallow orchid
skurry was bopped by patch 1.1.1.8
granite field
and Ax2u has like 2 well descent for menderbug
twin swallow
wait patiently or ask a light blue name politely
nocturne leaf
okayy
twin swallow
grats on the run o/
nocturne leaf
ty :)
steady lynx
Which one was it? My money is on pest
steady lynx
It was Xero
digital jewel
Seriously why is giving roles so scuffed on mobile
granite field
new blue name Pog
digital jewel
It should be in the profile when you tap on someone's name
nocturne leaf
i got it! yay!!!
steady lynx
PC, right click, click
Mobile, go into member settings, write down pi down to 200 digits, solve a sudoku, eat a sandwich, then you can give role
haughty fossil
don't forget you need to align it with polaris first
steady lynx
Avian, a tip from someone who put it off for too long, don't put off learning epogo for too long, it's easier than it looks
true palm
on 1221 its pretty simple
grizzled maple
On both its simple
steady lynx
Even on 1432 console it's easy
distant dome
I think I'm using fireballs too late
true palm
even if you fail it like 3 times its faster than going around
grizzled maple
This person is on console btw cyni
true palm
still faster on console
grizzled maple
You get two shots 
true palm
can't you do damageless on console?
steady lynx
Just practiced it like four hours once and now I get it ~80% of the time
grizzled maple
You can but why would you
Its faster to do damage because no menu and panta pogo is roundabout
distant dome
Epogo looks like its not that bad I watched a tutorial video for current patch
grizzled maple
Theres a high chance it was mine
steady lynx
That might be emray's video
grizzled maple
If you have any questions I have it down to a science and can help you figure it out
distant dome
Mantis pogo looks like a bitch to get right
grizzled maple
It actually has a really consistent setup
true palm
Mantis pogo is surprisingly consistent
grizzled maple
You know what brb
I made a doc when I taught relyea switch any%
I'll give it to you
distant dome
I had a lot of trouble with vengefly pogo in kings pass
true palm
60 fps will do that to you
steady lynx
before I know it Relyea will bop my switch 112 time since I never finish runs 
grizzled maple
Read this it'll answer a lot of questions and teach you a lot you dont already know
I even explain the fps
true palm
emray's current patch stuff is super helpful, theres a lot of effort put into it
grizzled maple
Vengefly in kp is kinda unfortunate on console
distant dome
Read this it'll answer a lot of questions and teach you a lot you dont already k...
I got down already I'm just saying I had trouble with it so mantis pogo will probably give me trouble
grizzled maple
Read the doc. Its really not that bad. I step by step it
steady lynx
KP vengefly is something I had to adapt a lot to
grizzled maple
Its 100% consistent across all patches. Its so consistent that you can tell what you messed up based on how the mantises move after
steady lynx
Because I practice on PC so it moves differently because framerate
haughty fossil
em do you practice for switch w/ 60fps cap or do you just yolo it adapting to the pain?
distant dome
Why is it called fireball skip and not vengeful spirit skip
grizzled maple
I practice things like bosses on pc with normal fps and wing it on console but I practice things where fps matters on console itself. Specifically colo, epogo, and any acid skips
Because fireball is easier to say
steady lynx
Actually, is there any way to limit framerate on PC to 60 without vsync because I might wanna do so if I move to PC
distant dome
I'm going to attempt vs and mothwing cloak splits
grizzled maple
Rivatuner but you can't change it midrun
steady lynx
I'll just do entire runs on 60fps
dull lion
First you definitely don’t, but second rivatuner
grizzled maple
Please love yourself tho
steady lynx
I don't wanna get too used to the game running well
cursive jacinth
what's the deal with fps in this game
true palm
its really bad, i realized i had vysnc on after my first low% run and the game played so different
steady lynx
inputs are fps dependant
true palm
um basically every enemy in the game is fps dependent
grizzled maple
Fps impacts input responsiveness because potato code
true palm
also the physics engine runs at 50 physics frames a second as well
grizzled maple
Not every enemy
steady lynx
Most flying enemies
grizzled maple
Just specific aerial enemies and some attacks from bosses
cursive jacinth
interesting. so running at two fps would let you phase through enemies then?
steady lynx
No, they'd move at snail speed
grizzled maple
No but you can lag a fireball to kill a baldur with one lol
haughty fossil
running at 2 fps does let you 1 shot baldurs though 🙂
still whale
are you able to downgrade hk on switch for any% runs?
haughty fossil
no
true palm
interesting. so running at two fps would let you phase through enemies then?
no but low fps increases knockback and lets you do dumb things which is why we've looked at making rules around it
still whale
thought so
grizzled maple
Console is current patch
steady lynx
Hyper optimally because Uumuu bad code you'd run at like 3fps
haughty fossil
there is a separate console board
not even
iirc 0.3fps gave guaranteed 1 attack uumuu right?
grizzled maple
Besides the patch any% pc runs on literally doesn't exist for console
dull lion
1 attack uumuu is possible???
grizzled maple
The patch that optimized the game was the one that killed speed tech
true palm
ye, and like 0.1 fps lets you gives enough knockback to skip to hidden station
cursive jacinth
@true palm what
steady lynx
Earliest you can have on console is 1.3.x.x and that's only if you have it downloaded on a switch and never updated
grizzled maple
Or homebrew to downpatch which is banned
true palm
<@!728729277012639755> what
you can get hit by one of the wall crawlers and make it to the platform to hidden station without wings
steady lynx
The physical switch version lets you run on the remarkable patch of 1.4.2.4
hearty adder
imagine a switch trying to run 1221
steady lynx
So if you for some godforsaken reason wanna run P5 All Bindings on console there you go
cursive jacinth
so is it like, good that my game runs at 144fps
true palm
i recommend switching off vysnc and then using a 3rd party program to cap it
haughty fossil
vsync sucks in every way at every fps
true palm
200, 250, and 300 are the best numbers
grizzled maple
Even if its not 60 you want vsync off because it lags your inputs
You actually want to be uncapped and as high as you can be
grizzled maple
You probably can't feel it now but trust us
granite field
Vsync
Uncapped fps
true palm
60fps vengefly versus 300 fps vengefly are two different things
grizzled maple
Its horrible
true palm
and the input delay of vsync is unbearable
normal aspen
600 fps follys are cursed
dull lion
I actually uncap my FPS only for 4ms just so the vengefly moves a bit faster for the skip lol
grizzled maple
TC were baby programmers when they made this game and had no idea what they were doing with inputs and vsync is potato
normal aspen
Had
grizzled maple
Hey they have one guy who knows things now
haughty fossil
1.5 screen shake in first patch made the game unplayable for me, unbearable screen tearing
granite field
actually I never showed up my fps number when I tested uncapped, could be fun to know how many I have
But so far I haven't got any problems with it
grizzled maple
I'm convinced that was fps too because I didn't even notice a difference in screen shake
And I run at 500 on that patch
cursive jacinth
You probably can't feel it now but trust us
i mean i wouldn't feel it now 'cause i haven't played the game on anything other than v-sync Off and 144hz
what's the difference like though
grizzled maple
Less input delay. Thats it
cursive jacinth
oh
steady lynx
Oh right, 1.5 fps is way more consistent
grizzled maple
Just feels like moving under water then not being underwater
true palm
gravity felt weird for me
grizzled maple
Like a weight is lifted
true palm
it felt easier to consistently land where i wanted
cursive jacinth
my inputs don't feel delayed at all. maybe i'd notice if i switched to uncapped fps though.
true palm
you'd notice
grizzled maple
It is CRISP uncapped
granite field
why don't they just put an option to remove screen shake? would it break things?
grizzled maple
At least if you have decent fps
steady lynx
why don't they just put an option to remove screen shake? would it break things?
Knowing this game, yes
cursive jacinth
how about screen tearing though? i thought that happened at uncapped fps
grizzled maple
This game doesn't really have screen tearing
true palm
if you have a bad graphics card on some games vsync prevents that
grizzled maple
Theres some rooms in cot but its not bad
true palm
this games pretty consistent graphics wise
dull lion
You can also use a program called rivatuner to cap your FPS at say 300
cursive jacinth
right
true palm
if you have a nvidia card nvidia control panel also works
cursive jacinth
i think i'll just stick at 144 for now and switch up my fps if i get super competitive later
granite field
I rather recommend CP than 1221 if you have potato or toaster pc
a while ago I had really low performance on 1221
grizzled maple
Some people do run at 144 btw just not vsync because input lag that wouldn't exist otherwise
Just cap using anything else
cursive jacinth
right, i'm at 144 no vsync
cursive jacinth
nooooo
grizzled maple
What is it that fancy gsync thing that im too boomer to understand
true palm
What is it that fancy gsync thing that im too boomer to understand
if you buy a special monitor, you can have vsync that doesnt lag as much
true palm
yup you need a nvidia card and a special monitor
old obsidian
or freesync which works always afaik [idk]
granite field
yeah right, and a monitor I meant
true palm
either way the point is to not use vsync and then use whatever's most comfortable for you
haughty fossil
freesync requires a freesync monitor
they're just way more common/cheaper than gsync monitors
hearty adder
Xephros just uploaded this video, since people were talking about cp epogo a bit ago it sounds relevant to share it
https://youtu.be/Sg2_AjMaCh0
steady lynx
I'll give it a shot, might be good to not have to Quirrel bench
boreal roost
think about this dreamnail percent
steady lynx
less
hearty adder
It'd be just be the any% early game lol
true palm
if you want a category thats cool like dreamnail %, look at great hopper %
boreal roost
its a fun simple start to speedrunning if you do any % NMG rout
true palm
it would be harder than any% by a longshot
the shadeskip would be rough
its a no dash no claw shadeskip
boreal roost
yep
true palm
gh% just accomplishes the same thing though, not trying to be rude
boreal roost
skurry had record for great hopper percent
jagged vault
They do indeed
haughty fossil
gh% is in fact this + another cool skip, w/ options of cursed aspid pogo or shade skip
hearty adder
Cursed skips peepoArrive
steady lynx
Speaking of cursed skips
jagged vault
But yeah, i suggest generally looking at what categories currently exist before suggesting new ones. Many are often quite similar
steady lynx
NMG NMG when?
true palm
shade cloak before claw when?
grizzled maple
@ homothety
stark birch
homothety also ran NMG NMG it's a pretty fun cat tbqh
steady lynx
Quack, did anyone ever finish best girl%?
stark birch
only insomnia afaik
distant dome
I am so mad
I kept dying before I got to fb skip and when I did I had to go around and died again
true palm
if ur dying to the annoying little guys in greenpath, just get your soul from the birds
distant dome
I'm dying in acid
true palm
then you just need more practice
distant dome
I'm getting hit by the enemies then falling in acid and dying
At least I'm good at the rest
I started the timer at mode select and I got a 1:52 on vs
thorn jasper
is that time a typo? or am I misunderstanding
distant dome
1 minute 52 seconds
short spire
hmm
thorn jasper
from mode select to picking up vengeful spirit. real time. that's what you're saying?
highly unlikely
did you pause the timer anywhere?
distant dome
What happened this time
thorn jasper
it's too fast to be realistic
grizzled maple
Okay do you have a recording
distant dome
No
grizzled maple
Because its literally not possible
thorn jasper
Is something wrong with my stopwatch
possibly
can you take a video of your stopwatch?
distant dome
I am going to just start recording it instead of timing it
grizzled maple
The best possible time to reach vs is 3:2x and yes thats skipping false knight. Unless you started somewhere else
Unless youre using major glitches but im pretty sure that's still not possible
You still have to get oob and fk skip
thorn jasper
I am going to just start recording it instead of timing it
yeah, and then you can check the timestamps
distant dome
I'm doing it the way the route guide says it must be something wrong with the timer
I'm using my phone stopwatch
stable flint
not livesplit?
stable flint
ah mb
distant dome
I cant use live splits
grizzled maple
But livesplit would be better
You cant do loadless with livesplit but you can use livesplit
Even on mac theres an online option
distant dome
I'm done though I'm too frustrated at dying in greenpath acid
I'll try tomorrow
I am so dumb
mild moon
homothety also ran NMG NMG it's a pretty fun cat tbqh
I struggle to see how any aspect of that category could be praised.
distant dome
I just checked the timer its 5:52 not 1:52
stable flint
that makes more sense
knotty vigil
Been learning the speedrun and watcher knight is not fun lol
distant dome
I agree
stark birch
I struggle to see how any aspect of that category could be praised.
the shade skip to great slash is fun and entertaining
mild moon
I think I'm more likely to fall asleep during that skip than I would be during a Myla% run.
And that is truly an accomplishment.
true palm
How good is 5 52
anything is a good start, the important thing is not the starting time but the improvement
obviously thats not world record pace but with practice and time you can get that down
distant dome
1 hour vs split is objectively bad
true palm
people start at all sorts of different places
it doesnt matter what you start at
like in terms of times on the leaderboard you're 2 minutes behind pace, but you cant expect to be perfect, or even that great when you're starting
distant dome
I hope I do improve I probably will because I cant get the aspid double kill with the spike
limpid ruin
3:32 is also objectively bad if you ask top runners
Bc objectively suboptimal
My point: set realistic expectations to allow yourself to learn before beating yourself down
If it takes an hour to get VS first time, then it takes an hour to get VS
Next time you can get it in 30 minutes
And the next after maybe 20
true palm
like my current time in low% is 20 minutes faster than my initial time, while my initial time was bad compared to how i am now, for me that was great for where i was
limpid ruin
Suddenly you're disappointed in every non sub 4 VS
young sun
Honestly, even a 1 hour vs split isn’t bad if the person’s goal is a 1 hour vs (or even if it’s higher! Gotta start somewhere) imo, there’s no subjectively bad in a hobby involving personal accomplishments and goal setting
that’s my 2 cents at least
distant dome
I understand that its improvement that matters
But I'm too mad at dying to greenpath acid
true palm
its impossible to tell potential at a hobby from where you start
distant dome
Repeatedly
true palm
you could start with a 3:32 kings pass but if you never improve that doesnt mean you're good
limpid ruin
Trust me gp acid hurts us all. That's why we practice and learn
distant dome
I got a 1:36 kings pass
limpid ruin
Why did you fall in the acid? Which actions did you do that put you in it?
distant dome
Why did you fall in the acid? Which actions did you do that put you in it?
I didn't remember where the platformers were
Also I had one health from getting hit by people
limpid ruin
Then it sounds like you know what you need to focus on to avoid that in the future?
young sun
I think that when starting out in anything, you’re gonna make mistakes, learn from those mistakes, and improve! Making mistakes is okay, and will allow you to do well in the future
thorn jasper
I didn't remember where the platformers were
are you dropping down somewhere? if so, do you know about lookdown? hold down to look down. you can check where platforms are
distant dome
I died to radiance but my playtime on my steel soul file was 17 hours when I got there
distant dome
are you dropping down somewhere? if so, do you know about lookdown? hold down to...
Yes
It's just not fast I when I'm running I dont think about it because it's not fast and I feel pressure to go fast in the moment
I just need to practice
limpid ruin
Yea. That mental stress is a real mood ngl
You can do this, even if the journey is long and rough. We all go through it at some point
distant dome
Jeez dung defender is so easy when you use ddark
true palm
every boss in the game is easier with ddark
distant dome
My current goal is to beat p5 before silksong releases and then I'll focus completely on speedruns
stark birch
I think I'm more likely to fall asleep during that skip than I would be during a...
why do you exist to yuck my yum, rando man
thorn jasper
googles 'yuck my yum' yeah how dare you
distant dome
Finland Finland is the best reward for defeating a boss
mild moon
It's because the world of meme categories is zero sum.
distant dome
I'm gonna go to hk discussion now
mild moon
I have to kill every other category to get clawless shade cloak added.
stark birch
i'm pretty sure that a) you'll never kill myla% you sure can kill myla tho and b) even if you did you'd still need two other poor unfortunate souls to run clawless shade cloak
true palm
I have to kill every other category to get clawless shade cloak added.
if you can get the category added i'll run it
mild moon
True, but it is a worthy endeavor.
true palm
i wont be soul number 2 but ill be soul number 3
stark birch
and like i'm gonna run it when I have a free 8 hours for the attempt eventually
true palm
no i'll be number 3 if it requires me to get the category added ill do it
stark birch
also cynicism if you just wanna see your name on a board for it I have a spreadsheet with clawless shade cloak on it
like if that's the roadblock, there's a route and someone's keeping track
true palm
tell you what i'll start learning it tonight after low% attempts
steady lynx
I want last place for clawless shade cloak
stark birch
mild moon
stark birch
see homothety? It's easy to make more memes happen
thorn jasper
I want last place for clawless shade cloak
no it's mine
mild moon
I should never have let them be dreams 
steady lynx
no it's mine
Race for last place
true palm
no its just that i've already killed my sense of joy with low%, nothing scares me anymore
steady lynx
Oh heck
cursive jacinth
@true palm yes please #low-percent message
steady lynx
Did that ping you?
thorn jasper
lol yeah gusten but it's fine because I'm sitting here
true palm
<@!728729277012639755> yes please https://discord.com/channels/28346736372940800...
k i'll start recording after attempts
steady lynx
Anyway, the race for last place clawless shade cloak is on
cursive jacinth
i'm mostly tryna get mantis pogo figured out
(and also watcher knight and uumuu fights)
('cause i'm still bad at dps)
true palm
mantis pogo is one i struggle with, i'll cover watcher knights and uumuu
keep in mind im not the most consistent
mild moon
My run wasn't very good. There's probably 20+ minutes of timesave on it
steady lynx
Yeah, but how much potential timeloss is there?
mild moon
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
mild moon
I meant clawless shade cloak
true palm
oh lol
thorn jasper
where is clawless shade cloak route
steady lynx
Wasn't your initial run just a proof of concept?
thorn jasper
there's too many pastebins to bookmark
mild moon
cursive jacinth
I meant clawless shade cloak
ohhhhhhh
mild moon
Wasn't your initial run just a proof of concept?
Yeah, it was just a proof of concept.
I was not left with a tremendous urge to run it again right afterwards, but rather an urge to make as many other people run it as possible.
cursive jacinth
I was not left with a tremendous urge to run it again right afterwards, but rath...
consider your wish granted
steady lynx
We got NKG% on the board after you theorycrafted it, surely, it'll work if enough people show interest
Especially now that meme boards aren't bound to two rows
stark birch
NKG is also a 10/10 category to grind, clawless shade cloak would um not be that
steady lynx
NKG% might be my favourite meme cat
stark birch
me too 🙂
hearty adder
I like running meme cast more than main board cats tbh
it just feels nice to have a smaller leaderboard to compare to
stark birch
also every mainboard cat has to fight uumuu and i'm not about that
hearty adder
that's also a very good point
steady lynx
1xx Uumuu is barely a fight
stark birch
fair but 1xx has some other shit going against it lol
steady lynx
it just feels nice to have a smaller leaderboard to compare to
That's basically console boards
small magnet
My first sub 40!
I like how I show my horrid early game and not the golds I got at the end >.>
I was so close to quitting out after Mantis
hearty adder
show us the glods 
atomic ether
Finally completed my first run!
jaunty anvil
nice!
thorn jasper
yooo starting with true ending and getting that kind of time out of the gate?! damn gg
atomic ether
@thorn jasper Thanks
empty cargo
Around how long does it take for steam patcher to download a depot?
atomic ether
Worst though is I went back to see my splits and they didn't save...anyone know what could have caused that?
fallen zodiac
mine took around 2-3 minutes @empty cargo
empty cargo
Odd
atomic ether
it saved everything but radiance
scenic stag
Hey I'm like brand new to speed running like any game and I have a lot of time in HK so I thought I'd try it, could anyone tell me how to get the non patched version so I can get the skips and stuff sorry if this gets asked a lot
empty cargo
Pins
empty cargo
mine took around 2-3 minutes <@!580175949539049497>
Mines taking much longer, should I wait or just try again?
scenic stag
Thank you
empty cargo
Nvm
scenic stag
My brain is turning into soup
thorn jasper
mood
scenic stag
would anyone mind walking me through downpatching through like dms or something?
thorn jasper
there's a guide in the pins
fallen zodiac
Mines taking much longer, should I wait or just try again?
I'm gonna be honest I literally just set this stuff up today like 6 hours ago so I'm not sure
thorn jasper
but if your brain is soup the guide won't...solidify your brain
thorn jasper
Mines taking much longer, should I wait or just try again?
it'll depend on internet speed. it's a lot of files to download
scenic stag
but if your brain is soup the guide won't...solidify your brain
The guide is turning it to soup
thorn jasper
ok dm me I'll see how I can help
stable flint
but if your brain is soup the guide won't...solidify your brain
soup? yummy
scenic stag
I'm losing it
nevermind
I am experiencing euphoria
Does anyone know how I can make it easy to run this again when I need to?
true palm
make a shortcut of the .exe
by rightclicking it
and then dragging the shortcut to your desktop
scenic stag
Thank you
true palm
ur welcome
scenic stag
does anyone know any good vids for a beginner learning any% NMG?
I kinda feel like a husk now because I know Silk Song might come out "soon" then the scene for HK runs might die
ionic sparrow
i doubt hk will die once silksong comes out
scenic stag
one can only hope
scenic stag
I really love this game and want to get good at running it
verbal stag
that playlist by fire is super good
dry sluice
he is
scenic stag
How long has he been running?
dry sluice
a while
ionic sparrow
i think like
2 and a bit years
its been on and off but i think my first run was in late 2018
scenic stag
I really hope I can at least get like a top 150 in at least 4-5 months
But sub hour for the game seems so out of reach
I just beat my fastest time and it was 3 hours
true palm
But sub hour for the game seems so out of reach
what route are you taking, and where are you dying?
like are you doing nail 1 or deepnest?
scenic stag
I'm doing a personal route
Like I do some really stupid stuff
going out of my way to get quick slash
true palm
how comfortable are you with spells
scenic stag
not very tbh
I also have to wait to speedrun
I don't have the money to get a controller
so I have to find some way to make mon e
true palm
you dont need a controller to run
scenic stag
but I'm most comfortable using one
true palm
ax2u pest and a bunch of cool kids run on keyboard
scenic stag
true palm
try this https://github.com/valignatev/socd
scenic stag
am I not cool?
scenic stag
???
true palm
so ie if youre holding right and hit left
instead of staying still
you move left
it makes fireball skips
ez pz
and makes game handling
ez pz
on keyboard
true palm
also do you have debug mod?
scenic stag
no I don't
true palm
let me teach you the ways
scenic stag
I hope it's not as hard as the depatch
true palm
not even close
ionic sparrow
true palm
that mod allows you to practice literally everything
scenic stag
Ohh
scenic stag
thanks so much for the stuff
true palm
no problem
as someone who has played this game on both keyboard and controller, i dont think either are particularly better than the other, and a lot of learning this game isn't control based
its route based
going to kingdoms edge for instance to get quickslash is a literal pain
scenic stag
Yea
true palm
do you use quick cast?
if not you need to bind it to something comfy and learn to use it
idk like you dont have to be perfect at the game and you can take a lot of beginner routes, and use backup strats and hit sub hour in any%
but using a casual route to get sub hour in any% is going to be pretty rough
scenic stag
Yea I have my quick cast set to RMB
true palm
oh you're a keyboard and mouse player, would recommend learning just keyboard
not required, Blue is a top runner with keyboard and moouse
but would recommend it
scenic stag
I first played the game on switch with the joycons and now I'm paying with mouse and keyboard
but like I said I can't afford a controller right now so I can't really do runs with one
true palm
no i feel i started on an xbox, and learning keyboard was pretty rough
true palm
ur all good
scenic stag
it took me like 3 hours to get that shit figured out
true palm
go to this right here
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\content\app_367520\depot_367521
and if you didnt cut
there should be a backup right there
true palm
no ur all good, i've screwed up my 1221 repeatedly
always copy from that folder and never cut so you always have a backup
true palm
file management can be foreign to people, i get it
scenic stag
yea no kidding
I need to figure this shit out later
thanks for all of the help and thanks pest for the video
it's 2am and I need to sleep
knotty vigil
hold on
is it possible to use fireball skip in some way to skip monomon acid pool...?
I might test that
lucid stirrup
no, but its possible to use wall cling storage
its just a major glitch so we can't do it in any% nmg
harsh mason
you can do it with sharp shadow, wings and twister, if you want to waste 30 minutes 
lucid stirrup
sounds like a decent waste of 30 minutes
median gull
normal aspen
dont need twister if u get dgate
cursive jacinth
hey, what do i do if this keeps happening at mantis pogo?
practicing this rn and it feels like half the time one goes into the lever room, and the other half one goes above the platform to where i'm trying to go
old obsidian
try to emulate the exact movement other top runners do
(Usually you're doing it too slow if someone comes in the lever room for example
cursive jacinth
okay i'm getting it a bit more often now
old obsidian
i mean you can also always back it up by moving a bit to the right to lure them to your wanted position
cursive jacinth
i realize something else i was doing, i was too focused on moving left during the pogo
i can do two pogos without moving left much at all, and just move for the third and land it
cursive jacinth
yeah i get it like... 35% of the time, very annoying the other 65%
sometimes it works perfectly and i only need to pogo twice! sometimes the mantises bounce off each other in random directions and go absolutely nowhere. sometimes one of them gets stuck in that corner beneath the platform and i can't hit it.
sometimes it's even 4 pogos before i'm able to get up there. it's just... so inconsistent it feels like.
... and then i get it like seven times in a row?? inconsistent af
old obsidian
consistency comes with practice
devout wing
thk so hard
cursive jacinth
i'm just gonna balls to the wall go for it, if it works great, if not oops guess i'll fireball or something
dreamy bough
if the mantises are in the situation you're showing, you are either very unlucky or just not doing the movement fast enough - you need your jump to hit the lever to be relatively short and to dash back immediately