speedrunning

[lucid stirrup]

yea the thing is, we don't really have any muscle memory for the timing out of a slam because we don't really slam walls anywhere else in the run. We have muscle memory of jumping out of a cdash cancel from all over the place

[old sphinx]

I always thought it was the same speed for both btw, ty for telling me I'm doing the fast one lmao

[grizzled maple]

yeah i remember being told they were the same too

i just trust people who time stuff because i never will myself lol

[lucid stirrup]

why

time stuff

its good

[grizzled maple]

why i wont time stuff? because i have my hands in 30 games and cant handle that too

[last inlet]

how much of a time difference actually is slamming/cancelling

[grizzled maple]

im a router

[lucid stirrup]

hi router, im a modem

[haughty fossil]

gwonkee try again

[grizzled maple]

almost

[lucid stirrup]

spelling is impossible

[old sphinx]

I time stuff, but I don't trust my times

[lucid stirrup]

any% is already routed you just gotta run it now

[old sphinx]

Which any%

[grizzled maple]

do any% ag to make allie smile

she really needs this w

[lucid stirrup]

all gli-

[haughty fossil]

no main menu storage

[lucid stirrup]

i run a catagory where i dont do main menu storage

any% nmg

you are right jamie what a great idea

[long sky]

How do I trim my stream so I can grab the run to submit to speedrun.com

[haughty fossil]

twitch?

[long sky]

Yes

[haughty fossil]

click pfp > video producer > select stream > Highlight... > trim and publish w/ a title

[long sky]

Ok

[twin swallow]

make sure you're saving past broadcasts (settings > stream > store past broadcasts)

[long sky]

I just got a 7th place time in console any % nmg

Xbox one

I'm so happy

😄

[north hemlock]

livesplit isnt required for speedruns right?

[twin swallow]

no, but real time will be used instead

[long sky]

Yeah console is interesting that way

[north hemlock]

then uh

is there a livesplit that i can use on mac

[haughty fossil]

no

your options are RTA or use windows, unfortunately

until livesplit one becomes autosplitter compatible, which i kind of doubt will happen within the next year

[north hemlock]

sadger

[distant dome]

I understand the pain of speed running now

Fucking vengeflies in kings pass

Way worse than I thought

[last inlet]

kings pass: about 0.1% of a casual run and where you spend half your speedrun time

[distant dome]

The vengefly pogo is the only thing I'm bad at with kings pass

[knotty vigil]

same

although if you think about it it only saves about a second

[haughty fossil]

damn then you're gaming harder than me

turning around is literally impossible

[last inlet]

yeah

honestly turning around is so difficult

[distant dome]

I hope I have better luck with greenpath when I get there ik still practicing

[last inlet]

i always lose a fuck ton of time in greenpath entry split bc i cant turn around properly

a fuck ton of time being like 5 seconds but that's a lot in that short of a split

[long sky]

Is it normal to feel nervous after submitting a time

[snow dome]

Yes

[haughty fossil]

perfectly natural, just don't worry about it and it'll come back to you in a few days... or less, considering the queue size rn

[long sky]

Okie dokie

[haughty fossil]

actually i just took a look at that run, could you rehighlight and edit the submission to show the title screen? it's required for verification

[twin swallow]

Jamie, the hero we need, but do not deserve

[snow dome]

LIVE feedback

[long sky]

Ok

Will do

Ok I re submitted cause I couldn't figure out how to just need with the size of the highlight

Mess not need

[last inlet]

the size shouldn't matter (unless you mean length), you just need to make the highlight start earlier so verifiers can see the title screen at the start

[haughty fossil]

took another look, that's good thanks, i'll watch through that tomorrow

[long sky]

Thank you I appreciate the feedback

[distant dome]

Low% dream no more is cursed

[long sky]

I don't know what that is but am intrigued and it sounds cursed

[snow dome]

Is that true ending?

Ie kill the radiance?

[distant dome]

Yes

[haughty fossil]

yes

[snow dome]

Worst cat

Low% Godhome Ending or bust

[exotic thunder]

low% seer ascension

[distant dome]

You did low% dream no more

[haughty fossil]

bird farming but without movement

[thorn jasper]

skurry knows what they did. they're suggesting something worse

[haughty fossil]

skurry is the only person afaik to have completed a (segmented) challenge run of low te, yes

[last inlet]

is low seer literally just low te except you have to grind 2400 instead of 900ish

[haughty fossil]

you also don't get movement

[last inlet]

plus no fun bossfights

yeah true

it's gh% shade skip to dream nail then birds?

[haughty fossil]

if i'm not mistaken, you can:
low% route to get fireball, claw, tram pass, right side access, dream nail

gruz mom is a %

tram pass is not

[last inlet]

oh shit yeah

[haughty fossil]

then go back to gp and slash the 2 easiest birds and fireball

[last inlet]

(although doing gh% shade skip means no claw)

which sounds way worse tbh

[hallow orchid]

Low% seer ascension is just kill gruz, buy lantern, get dnail, farm enemies in crossroads for 2400 essence

[haughty fossil]

oh yeah duh

[hallow orchid]

It's like 3% it's horrible

[haughty fossil]

lantern isn't a thing in my mind, i haven't run spelless

[last inlet]

oh yeah you dont even need to go to greenpath

[hallow orchid]

Nope and lantern isn't even a percent haha

[haughty fossil]

awful

[hallow orchid]

You don't even get birds

[thorn jasper]

if there were a mod that gave me 100% essence drops I would consider trying it

dream.exe

[distant dome]

Does current patch change something with the kings pass vengeflies

[twin swallow]

yeah they suck now

[distant dome]

That's why I'm so bad at vengefly pogo

[haughty fossil]

you gotta wait a bit for them to decide they want to come over

and 90% of the time you have to do bottom bait because bad rng

[last inlet]

i'm being dumb can someone explain how you go lantern - dreamnail? i thought you needed claw to go through peaks?

[hallow orchid]

nope you can get to dream nail from xroads in peaks itemless

[last inlet]

damn

[haughty fossil]

you only need vertical for upper peaks

[hallow orchid]

just walk right, basically

[last inlet]

oh shit yeah you dont need to get cheart or anything

[hallow orchid]

anyone remember that casual stream that did no eyes before hornet?

[haughty fossil]

yes

where we were all banned from chat

[last inlet]

for some reason i was thinking you should follow as route

[distant dome]

Anyone here run current patch

[hallow orchid]

many of us do

[long sky]

I do but for console any%

[haughty fossil]

just a couple people on the cp boards

[twin swallow]

one or two

[haughty fossil]

(btw massive , when i joined it was less than 80 iirc)

[distant dome]

Same

Anyone have advice also is QGA still possible

[twin swallow]

yes it's the same

[long sky]

Qga is possible

[twin swallow]

just have fun with the input delay

[long sky]

I did it in my most recent run

It's just really hard

And advice in which spot

[distant dome]

I just started practicing today and have an awful time with vengefly pogo in kings pass

[long sky]

Oh the way I go about that is just try and bait by jumping above and jump to pogo earlier than expected as the nail will hit wider than thought

If the vengefly is far left on bottom I don't have much there as I personally don't get it much

[distant dome]

The vengefly keeps flying to low

[long sky]

From when far left?

[distant dome]

Far left

[long sky]

Okay that one is hard cause you have to walk off towards it to bait and as soon as it notices jump back on the ledge

[stiff delta]

Are you on current patch

[long sky]

And kinda keep jumping

This way it goes up

[stiff delta]

Ah

It is harder on current patch

[long sky]

It is

[stiff delta]

On 1221 you can get his attention and then immediately jump from ledge and go for the pogo

On current patch i have to wait a little bit

[long sky]

I still kinda jump immediately on cp

[stiff delta]

just get attention and then wait just a bit on the ledge, then jump high and pray

[distant dome]

That worked jumping up and down

[true palm]

framerate also affects it

[long sky]

Yeah the jumps bait the air to go up

[distant dome]

So now I have a pretty good kings pass for my first time

I'll time it

[long sky]

Cool glad I could help. You said your doing cp on console?

[stiff delta]

Oh console

[true palm]

as long as you're doing the movement on kings pass right theres no need to grind it, you'll get good naturally

[stiff delta]

Now the difficulty makes a lot of sense

[true palm]

ye on console you run 60 fps

so that fly moves slow as balls

[long sky]

Hey cyn

[true palm]

hello

[last inlet]

hk does a fun thing where some enemy speeds depend on framerate

[stiff delta]

yea lmao i remember when i first bought it on pc i was shocked at how fast the vengeflys are

[last inlet]

so console vengeflies move at like 0.1m/s

[long sky]

Cyn thanks for your help yesterday about recording my stream

[true palm]

no problem

[long sky]

I just submitted a run today

[true palm]

pog

[long sky]

I should have 7th

[stiff delta]

7th in what category

[long sky]

Console any% xbox 1

[stiff delta]

nice!

[long sky]

Yeah I was streaming 5hrs and got sub hr for the second time ever

[stiff delta]

Good job

[long sky]

Thanks

I didn't have a submitted run prior

[true palm]

now go become the first low% console runner

[long sky]

Uh I can try I'd have to practice the route

[true palm]

i was making a joke, in case you didnt know the category is pretty cursed

[long sky]

Yeah but I think it'd be neat to try

[true palm]

it takes a lot of commitment

[last inlet]

it's like any% but a slightly different route and very cursed

[long sky]

I tried 112% and didn't do attrotious

[true palm]

i dont think its as bad as people say but it takes a lot of patience

low% has one of the hardest bossfights, dark deepnest, and cpeak

[long sky]

Some tricks took me a couple tries but it went well

Dark deep nest will be hard

Which boss fights

[true palm]

low% wk is pretty brutal

[last inlet]

afaik low wk and te rad are pretty much the hardest fights in main categories

[long sky]

For wk you only have claw and vs?

[true palm]

yup

[long sky]

No dash?

[true palm]

and dreamnail

but no dash

or shamans

[last inlet]

nope, that's a benefit only any% gets

[long sky]

I figured shamans

I might try that

[tardy sable]

shaman is percent lol

[stark birch]

only any% (and basically every other category but low% lol)

[long sky]

See if I can

[last inlet]

well and basically every other run

[distant dome]

So my kings pass is 1:09 and I fell in spikes on that run

[true palm]

literally every category since its actually faster to get mantis claw with dash then without

[long sky]

Nice avian

[stark birch]

literally every *mainboard category, GH% wants to know your location

[long sky]

Yeah if you are practicing any% nmg console feel free to drop by my stream. I'm running I almost daily

Am I allowed to say that

I feel like I'm not

[distant dome]

How good is 1:09 for cp

[true palm]

gh% is by far the hardest, i dont think low% wk should be compared to te rad, theyre hard for different reasons

[last inlet]

yeah that's fair

[true palm]

1:09 is good for starting

[last inlet]

that's why i listed them both

[long sky]

It is pretty good I normally get 1:05 or 1:08

[last inlet]

rather than trying to put one as definitively the hardest

[long sky]

But for console starting at the moment I hit the difficulty it shows about 1:40ish

[true palm]

low% wk isnt impacted by rng the way that rad is

[distant dome]

Now I just need to get the entire vs split

[last inlet]

even with awful rad rng you should never be forced into damage still tho

there's no fight in the game really where that happens

[long sky]

Yeah that's why I added that bit afterwards of the actual time being 1:40ish

[last inlet]

other than markoth rng

[long sky]

Alprechim

[true palm]

low% wk can force you into damage

but taking one damage on low% wk isnt run ending for how rare it is

[last inlet]

actually yeah dashless does that

[distant dome]

No dash old nail vs wk sounds awful

[twin swallow]

it is

[tired yew]

I have never speedrun a game before, is there a generally accepted great guide for getting started with HK?

[last inlet]

(for reference the other fight we're mentioning, te rad is radiance with nail 0, shamans, shade soul)

[true palm]

fireborn for any%

[distant dome]

I'm gonna practice vs split now I'll be back when I get a time

[true palm]

pisces for all skills

[long sky]

Ok gl avian

[twin swallow]

the two most beginner-friendly categories, all skills and any%, both have great video tutorials

[true palm]

heres my 11 minute introduction to this game as a speedrun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHaOSIMxOEA&t=17s

talks about category types, timing and recording

and where you can find resources

[long sky]

Welcome to the community @brisk wasp

[tired yew]

<3

[long sky]

It's filled with great people and all kinds of help

I hope you enjoy being here

[tired yew]

Recently revisited the game and found myself doing better than I ever thought I would

[long sky]

Ok al

[tired yew]

Thought, maybe I can give speedrunning a shot

[long sky]

Speedruns are fun so I hope you find a category you enjoy

[true palm]

this game has lots of great beginner categories, and runs of all lengths

[last inlet]

you can start speedrunning with little investment, unfortunately getting good takes a lot of effort but i'm sure you can do it if you're interested enough

[tired yew]

I always liked AGDQ, but more for the games.
HK is what made me interested in the actual speedrun part.

Honestly my biggest fear.
Already my worst fight (apart from Radiance, but that isn't in any%)

[long sky]

Cool yeah gdq is a great way to show speedruns and this is a good place

[true palm]

a speedrunning convention for charity @mighty vault

ye

[long sky]

Yeah

[true palm]

i believe that one is awesome games done quick

[tired yew]

I guess GDQ was the better way to say it

[long sky]

It is cyn

[tired yew]

AGDQ is the winter one

[last inlet]

in that case dont run te at least to start (although it's not usually a great beginner category anyway)

[tired yew]

as opposed to SGDQ

what is te?

[last inlet]

true ending

[long sky]

True ending

[tired yew]

ahh

yeah, nah

lol

[true palm]

the only categories i think you should steer away from period as a new runner is true ending, godhome ending and low%

[tired yew]

I actually just beat Radiance for the first time, like, 3 days ago

[long sky]

I agree on God home I still can't do it

[exotic thunder]

those are the best categories though

[last inlet]

yeah i've been learning it lately, around 10 hours of segment practice and i'm almost happy with my speed up to the end of greenpath

[true palm]

i agree but they're going to be the most time investment

[stark birch]

skurry not even plugging low te or grass smh

[long sky]

Skurry no

[last inlet]

i mean they're right

[long sky]

No starters there

Later

[true palm]

like i hated myself enough to run low% as my first category and i dont wish that on anybody else

[long sky]

Later

[vocal dove]

i'm learning true ending and would not recommend

for anyone

[last inlet]

i spent like 3 weeks on any% then decided it wasn't that interesting and started learning te

[tired yew]

I think skurry is right, but I want a sub 1-hour (eventually) game as my first

[true palm]

low% is sub hour

[long sky]

Cyn

[last inlet]

please stop convincing new runners to do cursed cats

[tired yew]

So is any though, right?

[last inlet]

yes

any% is the shortest main cat

[long sky]

Any if you are consistent can become sub hr

I personally just recently got it. But I play console so

[true palm]

didnt i literally say "like i hated myself enough to run low% as my first category and i dont wish that on anybody else" and "the only categories i think you should steer away from period as a new runner is true ending, godhome ending and low%"

[vocal dove]

sub hr TE when

[last inlet]

doesn't take insane amounts of commitment to get a sub-hour any%

[long sky]

On pc

[last inlet]

comsob is literally a 1:03

[last inlet]

yeah true

i'm very much using pc as a baseline here

[tired yew]

I'm very much using a PC, so it's all g

[exotic thunder]

insane TE reroute when

[long sky]

Yeah there aren't as many console players like me

[distant dome]

Something very poggers happened in that vs split

[true palm]

shriek route 2.0

[last inlet]

please no

[exotic thunder]

ddark route

[twin swallow]

shade soul and shriek route are dead, now is the time for ddark route

[long sky]

What happened avian

[vocal dove]

console is cursed

[last inlet]

we dont need more no eyes rng

[distant dome]

I killed both aspids with the spike

[long sky]

Nice

[last inlet]

nice

[distant dome]

I got a 3:40 I forgot to switch the language too

[long sky]

Cool

[distant dome]

Yes

[vocal dove]

doesn't that lose 10 min?

[last inlet]

te reroute in which we get all spells so we can deal more damage

[thorn jasper]

3:40 real time on console?

[long sky]

I don't think it is real time

[exotic thunder]

yeah imagine ddark radiance

[steady lynx]

Console TE is fun until you get to Traitor Lord

[distant dome]

3 minutes and 40 seconds on console

[long sky]

Doesn't seem right

[lucid stirrup]

wheres that sub hour TE copy pasta

[vocal dove]

i did it only once before switching to pc

[thorn jasper]

don't pause the timer in loads

[last inlet]

is 3:40 from kp exit or start?

[thorn jasper]

start the timer on file select

[grizzled maple]

Ddark radiance would be kinda good with good phase 2 rng tho

[distant dome]

I didnt

[last inlet]

from kp exit is reasonable

[lucid stirrup]

the "im gonna make my first true ending run under an hour i will stream it general" pasta

[exotic thunder]

nail 1 quickslash route

[distant dome]

Oh I thought I had to start at kings pass falling

[lucid stirrup]

i can't find it

[long sky]

Ok that's reasonable

[distant dome]

When the gameplay starts

[long sky]

Yeah from kp is possible

[grizzled maple]

Real talk theres gotta be a better route somewhere in there for te. That money collection is horrible

[last inlet]

great slash te?

[distant dome]

Why is 3:40 unbelievable

[tired yew]

Dude Traitor Lord ruins me, actually may be my worst fight in dream no more

[long sky]

No from kp it is possible they thought from start of game

[last inlet]

loadless comsob is like 3:27

(that's from start of game)

[tired yew]

Spent more time on him than Radiance

[thorn jasper]

and that's on 1.2.2.1. comsob for cp is 3:43ish, but vs splits a lot later

[distant dome]

Yeah I was told to start the timer when you start falling in kings pass

[long sky]

To when you touch vs

[distant dome]

Yes

[thorn jasper]

For console runs:

Timing begins on difficulty or file select (if no difficulties unlocked) and ends on the fade to black after beating the game.

[long sky]

He is doing specific splits not full runs

Just to practice

[steady lynx]

I can't actually think of any geo that'd be faster than that cursed king's idol and I hate it

[leaden python]

We rerouted TE recently a bit and saved like 8 seconds on the old geo route. I'm sure there are others reroutes hidden in the route. The run is criminally underdeveloped

[thorn jasper]

yeah it was just a miscommunication i guess

[distant dome]

I just started today and I'm practicing the route before I try a run

[long sky]

How are you slaurent

[last inlet]

yeah there's basically guaranteed some reroutes possible in te

we just need to find them

[distant dome]

kings pass was done in 1:06 three second improvement

[steady lynx]

Wish TE had the same amount of attention as AS and any%

[exotic thunder]

early wings

with the mag skip

[leaden python]

If I ever get back to it I'll definitely experiment with more route ideas

[tired yew]

Downpatch or current?

for all skill and/or any%

[distant dome]

I am on console

[exotic thunder]

it would let you uhhh

[last inlet]

do the homothety challenge runn where you get shade dash without claw

[thorn jasper]

...fine I guess, how are you? (if we've talked before I apologize for not remembering at this moment)

[last inlet]

allows us to get more movement before claw therefore faster mantis claw split

[long sky]

I'm good and we haven't talked before so don't feel bad I just like to randomly say hi

[distant dome]

Tomorrow I practice greenpath and mothwing cloak

[exotic thunder]

yes early hornet 2, shade cloak and wings

flawless route

[last inlet]

now we're talking

[exotic thunder]

shade cloak before normal cloak

[last inlet]

i like it

what even happens if you get that

[steady lynx]

Nothing

[exotic thunder]

you cant dash

[distant dome]

Hornet told me to get good before radiance and I did not do it very fast

[last inlet]

oh lmao

[grizzled maple]

Because no claw

[thorn jasper]

early dream nail to kill elder hu on the way to claw

[last inlet]

bc te gets dnail before claw so we can kill hu on the way

[grizzled maple]

Its slower to go down there later where 1xx needs legeater anyway

[distant dome]

Well I hope hornet isnt a bitch for when I practice mothwing cloak split

[thorn jasper]

too late

[exotic thunder]

great hopper route -> early dash slash -> early shade soul

[long sky]

Skurry I feel like you are slowly descending into madness

[distant dome]

I remember the great hopper percent wr

[steady lynx]

slowly?

[last inlet]

shade soul without claw or dash is defo the way to go

[long sky]

Like you seem to think what is something I shouldn't be able to do. Let's do it and see what happens

[exotic thunder]

800 geo from hoppers

[steady lynx]

I feel like having dash is good fo dash slash though

[last inlet]

skurry has infinite game knowledge from doing the dumbest possible challenge runs

for example: cut all the grass

[long sky]

And the knowledge now of no grass in fungal anywhere

[steady lynx]

Did they manage to finish a run or did quantum grass screw that up?

[last inlet]

that's not game knowledge but it is dumb

[exotic thunder]

we finished, the quantum grass trigger was wings

[last inlet]

they finished recently (dont remember exactly when)

[distant dome]

Is skurry a furry?

No?

[tired yew]

Should I downpatch? for nmg

[distant dome]

I hope no

[steady lynx]

Wait, your pronouns are they/them, sorry

[distant dome]

If anyone is curious I am a he

[steady lynx]

I'm bad sometimes

[long sky]

If you run normal any% nmg then yes down patch if you run current patch no

[thorn jasper]

avian meant "I hope it doesn't mater"

I hope

[distant dome]

Yes

[tired yew]

Good save

[thorn jasper]

[distant dome]

I dont want the answer to that question

👀

[thorn jasper]

this isn't the channel to discuss Skurry's possible interest in anthropomorphic animals

[thorn jasper]

yes, unless you either don't want to or your computer has poor performance

[tired yew]

I mean, I kinda don't want to, but it's nbd

[steady lynx]

Not sure if such a channel even exists but it sure isn't here

[last inlet]

skurry may or may not be a furry but they sure do hurry through the game

[distant dome]

I cant Downpatch because I dont want to buy a second copy of hollow knight

[last inlet]

you dont have to buy it again

[long sky]

Console

Exorax

[tired yew]

Honestly, base price of HK feels like theft so buying a second copy is fine

[last inlet]

oh shit

nvm ok then

not used to people running console lmao

[long sky]

I got hk for $10 with a gold deal

[stiff delta]

Ive bought it twice

[tired yew]

same

[stiff delta]

technically 3 times but i refunded one

[tired yew]

Switch and Steam

[steady lynx]

I have... Five copies of HK

[exotic thunder]

i thought 10 was the base price

[stiff delta]

Isnt it 15?

[distant dome]

I got it on ps4 because I'm not really a pc person though I would like to start playing pc games

[tired yew]

depends on region

[steady lynx]

Switch digital, switch physical, PS4 digital, GoG and steam

[stiff delta]

Nice gusten

[last inlet]

i think i got it for like £3.50 on sale

[tired yew]

Man I suck at switch though

PC seems so much easier

[stiff delta]

It is

[tired yew]

Granted, I use joycons

Why is it easier?

[distant dome]

FIX JOY CON DRIFT NINTENDO IT IS A PROBLEM

[tired yew]

I have a day 1 with no drift

[steady lynx]

Imagine dying to THK because you drifted

[stiff delta]

more frames and less dropped inputs

one time i died to absrad bc of joycon drift 🙃

[distant dome]

d pad would help with up and down slash on console but I would feel uncomfortable using d pad

[tired yew]

Oh, is there a particular frame rate to use (can you even pick a cap)?

Oh and KBM or controller?

[distant dome]

Dying to absrad is awful if it was caused by joy cons drifting

[stiff delta]

I think blue is the only person i can think of who uses mouse

Most stick to just kb or controller

[distant dome]

Well I'm leaving practicing dash split tomorrow

[steady lynx]

I think one person uses a smashbox or whatever it's called

[stiff delta]

Vys does ye

[tired yew]

Probably more comfortable with a controller, but in general, I know my way around a kb

[stiff delta]

i know katie has a hitbox but i dont remember if they play hk on it

[tired yew]

can probs learn kb

[stiff delta]

it really is just what you wanna use

[steady lynx]

I swear I tried using DK bongos, it's impossible... Unless I use more bongos

[stiff delta]

4 bongo setup

[tired yew]

Sounds like you didn't try hard enough

git gud

[stiff delta]

Clapping is an input on bongo right

[steady lynx]

Clapping, left bongo and right bongo are the inputs

[tired yew]

Real runner would do it with one bongo

blindfolded

and the bongo is blindfolded

[stiff delta]

So if you clap wouldn’t you input on all sets of bongos

Unless you have a specific setup

[thorn jasper]

and the bongo has a restraining order against you

[stiff delta]

What did you do to the bongo

[tired yew]

and the police have been called.
Really puts the speed in speedrun

[thorn jasper]

no I mean uhhh it would just make playing the game uhhh harder

[stiff delta]

slaurent

what did you do to the bongo?

[steady lynx]

Please don't tell me you did it again slaurent

[stiff delta]

again?!

[thorn jasper]

Crime and Percussivement

[stiff delta]

Law and order theme with bongos

[thorn jasper]

this isn't the channel to be making bad puns slaurent. something something downpatch watcher knights framerate

[stiff delta]

Right right

Uhhhh

how about those uumuu fights amirite

[steady lynx]

Something Something, practice turnarounds

[thorn jasper]

I literally lost my fireball skip muscle memory. It still requires active conscious focus; I don't know when I will get my muscle memory back

[stiff delta]

muscle Alzheimers

[thorn jasper]

"active conscious focus" is secret code for "I keep messing up"

[stiff delta]

Honestly i still dont have muscle memory for fb skips

[steady lynx]

I just have days when I can't do it for the life of me and days when I get it 10 times in a row

[stiff delta]

Never had it to start

Like fake dive jesus

[steady lynx]

Fake dive is RNG

[stiff delta]

I had a stretch of like 3 days before the relay race where i just never hit fake dive

And then i hit it in the race lmao

[true palm]

quick question how much geo to open kings station

looking at some routing

[wooden ore]

300 iirc correct me if I'm wrong

[tardy sable]

300 is correct

[tired yew]

Can I have a current patch and downpatch on the same pc?

[true palm]

yes

follow the downpatching guide in the pinned section, and it will tell you how

[tired yew]

thanks

Does everyone use the same splits in any%?

[true palm]

if you do nail1 or deepnest your splits will be different

but outside of that you use the same splits so people can compare

[tired yew]

Fireborn guide says "watch a run"

[true palm]

its called comsob

[tired yew]

comsob?

[true palm]

watching a run is helpful, you can do that with any run on speedrun.com

comsob = Community Sum of Best

[tired yew]

yeah I'm peeking the top run rn

[true palm]

this comsob is for any% nmg

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11LPxgQur-x6ioPrvMVUrdKSkGRDT07R1_Lqs55bxrRs/edit?usp=sharing

[tired yew]

is comsob a theoretical best possible time?

[true palm]

comsob is the best times anyone has gotten on an individual segment

in optimized categories its a theoretical best time

[tired yew]

So, essentially, yes?

yeah cool

I'm just trying to wrap my head around things

[true palm]

but low% for instance, comsob is known to be significantly slower than the theoretical fastest

[tired yew]

My exposure to speedrunning is GDQ

I don't quite get that it can be slower, but sure

[true palm]

well there was a new route discovered for instance

[tired yew]

or are you talking pure theory

[true palm]

pure theory

[tired yew]

oh of course

[true palm]

if homothety for instance ran with new route

he'd be faster

[tired yew]

re-routes, new tricks etc

[true palm]

ye

also comsob in a way is theoretically impossible because sometimes, based on how much geo you collect in a split, you need geo later

but the best split times are times that dont stop for geo

[tired yew]

right, because fasted part of a segment probably doesn't optimise geo

?

[true palm]

yes

so chandelier split for instance, you need a certain amount of geo, and if you miss it, you get geo after watcher knights

in a real run you have to get the geo, but technically you dont have to in comsob

[tired yew]

yeah, I follow

Do we need lantern?

[true palm]

yes

[tired yew]

Why is that?

[true palm]

lantern is required to open the toll in cpeak

[tired yew]

Ahh

[true palm]

otherwise you need to get ddive

[stark birch]

just get isma's smh

[true palm]

or you can go the cursed ismas route

getting lantern loses minimal time though since you can talk to sly while being hit by husks for the shadeskip, and wk gives 655 geo and a seal

you collect one seal above the stag in kings station and wanderers journal in tears

kill gorgeous husk

and sell all for lantern

if you run low% or any% steel soul we buy lantern after dark deepnest

[stark birch]

generally across all categories that have to access peak, unless dive is required for some other reason, lantern is preferred. The hard save in sanctum after picking up dive makes it painfully slow in most cases

[true palm]

soul sanctum is in an isolated part of the map with a hard save for literally no reason

no other skill hard saves besides shadecloak

[tardy sable]

VS?

[true palm]

oh and vs

im dumb

[tardy sable]

any% SS route feels so yikes, not a fan of long dark deepnest

i labbed a route with dive instead of that it's probably 10 minutes slower, 15 maybe with lantern

[true palm]

any% ss could route in another dark room to save a second...

well technically 2 because one of them is a room that you go through again in dreamnail split

either way dark deepnest is actually pretty cozy usually

other than the little spider rng its not that bad

[quiet saddle]

Has anyone else encountered issues when trying to stream the HK Debug mod? I was trying to stream it the other day and, regardless of my settings, it kept bouncing around 10-30 FPS

When I streamed the main game, the stream ran at 60 FPS for the entire stream

[true palm]

happens in certain rooms

the more breakable floors there are the more debug mod freaks out

also wk does that sometimes

[quiet saddle]

Well this was the main menu screen LOL

[true palm]

keep in mind i run the game at 300 fps normally

and i can drop to 10 if i stream in some rooms

idk what it would do on your computer

[quiet saddle]

I have a pretty decent rig; and I don't even get anywhere in the game, I'm just on the main page and OBS has my fps bouncing around hard.

[true palm]

ye idk either, do you have vysnc on

because that messes stuff up

[quiet saddle]

Nah it's off

I use rivatuner to cap my fps

[true palm]

why are you capping at 60?

if you're doing current patch epogo at 60 fps

they turn vsync on for the room i believe

[quiet saddle]

I cap it at 144 hz cuz that's the limit of my monitor

[true palm]

you should raise it

everything in this game is fps dependant

even if you cant see the frames

[quiet saddle]

If I let it run rampant with no cap, the game runs at 400 FPS and my CPU temp is at like 95 degrees

[true palm]

i recommend a cap of intervals of 50

[quiet saddle]

Alright I'll try 200 then.

[true palm]

since it meshes with the physics engine

200 is solid i used to use it

vengeflys and baldurs move faster at higher fps

and some other things

are you on current patch?

[quiet saddle]

Nah, 1221

I'm gonna be running any% nmg

[true palm]

what percent of your cpu is obs taking?

it says at the bottome right

and are you using obs studio or slobs

[quiet saddle]

OBS

It's using like 0.5 - 2 % of my CPU

[true palm]

ye idk what thats about then, is it only when you're streaming?

[quiet saddle]

No, just having the mod open period drops my OBS fps hard, Idk why

Also I can't seem to use window capture or game capture on it; it's not showing in OBS

Like in window capture, I select the hollow knight exe and it still fails to show

I've used OBS a ton over the years, so this isn't some like noob issue, I think :P

[true palm]

no its not

sometimes debug can be interesting with stuff like that

whats obs's cpu priority?

[quiet saddle]

I don't think I've set one

[true palm]

if you care about not dropping frames, you can up the process priority

what resolution are you outputting?

[quiet saddle]

I don't care that much about minor drops but I can't really handle it bouncing from 5-40 FPS erratically

1920 x 1080 I think

I've outputted other stuff in that for years and never had this issue

[true palm]

ye idk might be a debug thing what version is your debug and modding api

[tired yew]

can I have a GOG and Steam install on my PC?

of the game, ofc

because it's currently 50% off and idm buying it again.

[limpid ruin]

yea you can have both no problems at all

[slim tree]

Anyone got any special Current patch strats I should be using?

[tired yew]

I loaded up the game via GOG and it opened my Steam game?

Because rn it shares the save files and open in 1.4.x.x

[jagged vault]

Save files are stored in the same place for all instances of hollow knight

[tired yew]

yeah, but it still boots in 1.4.whatever

[jagged vault]

Yeah, it’s the same patch number of the game

If you are trying to downpatch, you have to go through that process manually beforehand

[tired yew]

I downpatched in GOG

[quiet saddle]

Should I have native controller input set to off or on in game options?

[civic hamlet]

i dont think i have ever landed a split on exact 00 before, even when i ran other games

[thorn jasper]

roughly speaking, 1/60th of your split times will likely end on .00

[civic hamlet]

i see

[short spire]

im pretty sure livesplit actually tracks the splits at a way higher frequency than 60fps even tho that's the display fps

[thorn jasper]

the highest non-0 precision I've seen in the lss file is three digits. the file format has seven digits

[civic hamlet]

[short spire]

now i wonder what the true update frequence of LS is

is it just every millisecond?

[deft obsidian]

I humbly ask for a blue name because I have given an attempt at going fast in the Hollow Knight video game

idk if this screenshot is enough btw lmao

[jagged vault]

Link the run

[deft obsidian]

ahh okay, thank you

[jagged vault]

Like, the srcom page for it

Ggs greg

[deft obsidian]

thank you ❤️

we attempt again, I humbly ask for a blue name because I have given an attempt at going fast in the Hollow Knight video game - https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/yw0vp32m

[hazy beacon]

I'm doing a (hopefully) under 5 hours speenrun, and just got ddive. Where do I go from there?

(sorry if this is the wrong channel, I have never speedran before)

[short spire]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[short spire]

use this guide

[hazy beacon]

Thank you, and sorry!

[short spire]

[lucid stirrup]

[median basalt]

are there any mods that you can use to manipulate thk rng? I'm trying to do some more focused practice on nailing the double fireballs but it's kind of a pain just waiting for it to dash over and over, especially once it's in the later phases and has more attacks

[true palm]

nope thats why this games isnt really TASable

[median basalt]

makes sense, thanks

[true palm]

getting doubles is important, but so is the rest of the fight

the practice will still be good

[lucid stirrup]

the first phase of thk has a tendency to give a lot

of dashes

[true palm]

you can turn on infinite soul and only go for doubles

[lucid stirrup]

just go for them and get used to it, they are surprisingly easy to start hitting

[true palm]

shamans hitbox is a lot larger than you think, and his is shorter to the ground

you can look at turning on a hitbox mod

[median basalt]

I think practicing holistically is the way to go, I just normally prefer breaking things into individual pieces usually when I'm practicing

[lucid stirrup]

yeah when he dashes you kinda wanna be in his head

[true palm]

if your on current patch

[median basalt]

hitbox mod is a good idea

[true palm]

if your on 1221, just practice jumping as low as possible

dont be afraid to get hit by him at first

if you play overly safe you wont know where the danger is

[lucid stirrup]

btw i don't recommend learning doubles until you have at least a sub 40, but if you wanna and enjoy it go right ahead, it cant hurt

[median basalt]

ah yeah I am doing 1221. I've gotten ok at it so far, it's just being able to get it reactively every time that's the issue, as opposed to when I'm already spaced well

[true palm]

optimizing fights isnt really needed when starting

for instance you probably can save 40 seconds on every split but THK when you're first starting

maybe not 40 on EVERY split

but theres still a lot

[lucid stirrup]

yeah definitely optimized movement, only practice bosses to the point that you dont die to them at ffirst

[atomic ether]

https://clips.twitch.tv/DiligentCorrectDoveTheThing-lccGDe3XsHVNr8NO Can anyone tell me what could have caused this or if it was a one off?

[true palm]

idk but i'll link it in true ending for you and see if i can find out there

[atomic ether]

Thanks @true palm

[lucid stirrup]

Also, i noticed you said you don't have a lot of oppurtunities to practice abyss climb, download debug mod and use save states

and also save files

[true palm]

^

[median basalt]

debug mod is amazing

[true palm]

even if you dont want mods, i have a very sloppy video on how to use save files here

[lucid stirrup]

but you want mods, trust me

[true palm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xse63RKYqyg&t=15s

[atomic ether]

Its more of a I forget how important that one section is and focus too much on shade skip radiance and the like

[true palm]

but yeah get mods

[atomic ether]

But I also have only been running this game for a few weeks so any advice is great advice

[lucid stirrup]

practice Eeeeeeverything

especially since you are running TE

[true palm]

grind splits not runs

[lucid stirrup]

cause TE really hard

[atomic ether]

You're telling me and I was just about to get my first PB too....

[true palm]

you're running probably the hardest main category outside of godhome ending

low% is tough too but for different reasons

[lucid stirrup]

yeah TE is like

mega hard

[median basalt]

you're not alone, I have like 75 attempts so far of just regular any% and only 2 completed runs lmao

[atomic ether]

Haha that actually makes me feel better

[true palm]

top runners in that category die to radiance in runs

its hella rough

[atomic ether]

I WILL have my name on the leader boards by the end of this month

[lucid stirrup]

top runners die to literally everything in that run

[atomic ether]

haha if THAT bug doesn't happen again lol

[lucid stirrup]

gl brawndo, most people who chose TE first lose motivation and quit running

so just being able to actually continue to run that is good

[true palm]

also that was a super good pace for not having ever finished a run

[lucid stirrup]

yea was about to say

that pace was insane

[atomic ether]

Thanks! I've been trying to practice as much as I can

[true palm]

it definitely shows

[lucid stirrup]

practice > runs

best advice i can give

[atomic ether]

It's good advice!

[mild moon]

You paused while the screen was still black. You can see the cursor appear while you were mashing the menu button.

If you wait until the game starts to fade in, the menu will be visible.

[atomic ether]

So that was me jumping the gun and mashing when I shouldn't?

[spark wasp]

any of the runners got a guide on how to get 1.2.2.1 debug version setup. I got the downpatch done but ik u cant just use the mod installer for it

[tired yew]

My biggest problem rn is getting quick direction changes

[true palm]

i think homothety was saying that if you waited before alt f-4ing your menu would come back

[lucid stirrup]

no mod installer for 1221

[mild moon]

I think you can unpause in that situation by pressing the menu button again. I could be wrong though.

[true palm]

check out ax2us guide on src

[lucid stirrup]

you gotta put the dll in the folders

[mild moon]

Waiting wouldn't have caused the fade-in to happen though since the timescale is paused while in the menu.

[atomic ether]

Well damn, I'll just pay more attention next time and stay the hell away from start

[spark wasp]

thank u video had the link ive been looking for for an hour

[true palm]

ye you can find updated versions in the #resources

anyone knowledgable about uumuu know if he accelerates during his retreat or if his speed is set at the end

so far its looking like he accelerates and decelerates but i wanted to confirm

[spark wasp]

u also happen to know if I need to do anything to get custom knight mods working while practicing? no big deal just wondering. copied file I had on current patch to mods folder it wont load

[fair island]

current patch mods dont work in 1221

[true palm]

i've heard rumors that there exists a copy of custom knight for 1221 but the skins are different for it as well so cp custom knight skins wont work

if you can find this custom knight mod lmk because i want it too

[spark wasp]

for sure will do thanks!

[spark wasp]

question for anyone else who splits there. Im lazy and just DLd fireb0rns splits to get my names does the autosplitter have a split for Chandelier cuz i dont image most ppl split there if not ill just remove it

[old obsidian]

yes and most people actually split there

[spark wasp]

do u know whats it called in livesplit? cuz chandelier doesnt seem to be a name

[fallen forum]

should be the right thing

[old obsidian]

ah you beat me to it

[fallen forum]

i am a master at doing this quickly when i have more important things to do

[old obsidian]

fair also a big mood

[spark wasp]

only other 1 id ask is Hollow Knight - Dream Nail (Boss) only for Radiance? or just in general

[dull lion]

Yes just radiance. Hollow knight scream splits at his spawn and the splitter will automatically split the final split when the game ends without needing to set anything in the autosplitter

[jaunty anvil]

hey yall can any1 help w frame freeze issues ? on 1221 , it used to work fine but now my frame freezes r pretty major

example

example

dont think it is my computer ,,, well maybe but other games run fine

[limpid ruin]

Oh that looked super strange I'd almost think io issue (ram or disk) bc of how everything else ran smooth (assuming it's happening ingame that rarely)

Is that ingame or only in the recording?

[jaunty anvil]

in game

well things run smooth until like

yknow

big attack by THK

gruz mum exploding

talking 2 lemm or salubra

stuff like that gives these major freezes

[limpid ruin]

Hmm, do you have hardware specs (cpu, gpu, ram) available easily?

[jaunty anvil]

sometimes hitting multiple enemies w VS

uhh how do i check uh

[limpid ruin]

And does it happen when just playing without recording?

I'll see if I can find a quick guide

[jaunty anvil]

yea i think so

maybe i should try reinstalling 1221

[limpid ruin]

Yea I think reinstalling might honestly be the easiest way to fix anything

Are you on Windows?

[jaunty anvil]

yisss

OH also loads r rlly long

like alot longer than they were afew days ago haha

i havnt played current patch in quite som time so i wouldnt b able 2 compare to t hat

[limpid ruin]

https://www-groovypost-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.groovypost.com/howto/find-your-windows-10-computers-hardware-and-system-specs/amp/?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16154426395745&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.groovypost.com%2Fhowto%2Ffind-your-windows-10-computers-hardware-and-system-specs%2F disgusting link 🥴 but seems clear and concise in how to find specs

[jaunty anvil]

haha yeah

16GB RAM

64 bit

got the radeon graphics

[limpid ruin]

What processor does it say you have?

[jaunty anvil]

is this bad ?

[limpid ruin]

Nah your ram quantity looks good

Hm, did you find anything about specifically which gpu you have?

[jaunty anvil]

uhhh

[limpid ruin]

The cpu shouldnt struggle tbh, it looks decent enough for hk even

[jaunty anvil]

yeah i feel like

i think i'll try just deleting 1221 and re installing

thanks sm for the help

im rlly bad w computers 😣

[limpid ruin]

Here's a "guide" on checking gpu

Although I doubt that should be an issue either tbh

[jaunty anvil]

this ?

yeah i thik ill just try reinstall n cry if it is still broken TwT

[limpid ruin]

Ah, yea that's completely fine for running hk

Reinstalling and crying sounds smart. I'll cry with you

[jaunty anvil]

thankss

[limpid ruin]

Unless it works then I wont

[jaunty anvil]

then i will smile

and mayB u will 2

[true palm]

those freeze frames used to happen if i had a lot background processes going on while i was on debug mod, you wouldnt happen to be using slobs to record would you?

also is your game on an ssd or a hard drive?

[devout wing]

how do you beat uumuu in cp

[stray kestrel]

downpatch what category

[old sphinx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Chh_BuLfdVI

[true palm]

Extra attacks can be particularly painful to respond to on current patch so don't feel horrible or even bad if you get 4 cycles when first learning

if you're not getting at most a 4 cycle, then you should keep practicing, as its not only time consuming but you risk taking too much damage

[serene coral]

i think rhino's method is a little risky wrt extra attacks because uumuu's so far left

if you get the bonus attack and dip in the acid, you can't hit uumuu towards the left and get a good damage cycle

so you have to get to uumuu's left again and it's really awkward

[true palm]

thankfully first cycle extra attack is pretty infrequent

[jaunty anvil]

@true palm i WAS using slobs !

altho

actually maybe the settings changed or smthn ?

[knotty vigil]

i did an every achievement speedrun and got WR

time is 1 second

[uneven scarab]

lol

[knotty vigil]

https://steamcommunity.com/id/yourfriendpedro/ profile if you want to check it out

[harsh mason]

no one cares

[knotty vigil]

read #hk-discussion if you dont understand how

[harsh mason]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[uneven scarab]

but just remember that this is a chat for competitive speedrunning

[knotty vigil]

im sorry

[true palm]

slobs just slows way more than obs for me, you can import your scenes out of slobs into obs studio

anything you can do in slobs, you can do with obs studio and the slobs website, and obs is far more friendly when it comes to how it uses your computers resources

[deep kernel]

Question: I'm trying to set up the autosplitter for any% but I can't get the timer to automatically start, I've tried restarting Hollow Knight, Livesplit and my PC, but it doesn't seem to start automatically I"m trying to use it on an installation of HK of 1221 Unmodded, does anyone know a solution for this issue?

[kind flume]

First of all; did you active the auto splitter? There's a button in splits editor, if you put Hollow Knight as the game

[deep kernel]

yes i did

[kind flume]

second of all, sometimes you have to start livesplit after you start hollow knight

[true palm]

you also need the splits set up

[haughty fossil]

ie: there must be at least 1 autosplit in the autosplitter options for the timer to start

[true palm]

if you dont have one of these the timer wont start

[true palm]

so you start a new game and the timer doesnt go green?

[deep kernel]

yep it just stays at 0.00

[true palm]

and you launch hollow kinight before livesplit

[deep kernel]

yes

[kind flume]

and you have a legitimate copy of hollow knight?

[deep kernel]

i do but this installation is for 1.2.2.1

[true palm]

does it work on your current patch install?

[deep kernel]

ill try it one sec

does it matter if the save i make is in the fourth slot?

[digital jewel]

no

did you run livesplit as admin?

[true palm]

would livsplit happen to be in your downloads folder?

[deep kernel]

it works on current patch ok

[deep kernel]

I have livesplit in a separate folder I made

[true palm]

but is that folder in downloads?

[deep kernel]

it isn't

[true palm]

k would this patch of 1221 happen to have debug mod?

or the modding api?

[deep kernel]

it doesn't have either

but current patch does (modding api)

[true palm]

if you manually start the timer on 1221 does it still remove load times?

[deep kernel]

it wont let me start it with the autosplitter activated

[haughty fossil]

which method did you use to downpatch?

[deep kernel]

steam depot downloader

[digital jewel]

.

[deep kernel]

yes i did go xero

but yeah it worked on current patch which had the modding api so do i need to install the modding api on 1221 too?

[haughty fossil]

no, it should work without

maybe try restarting your pc?

[deep kernel]

already tried that before :/

[digital jewel]

the modding api should have nothing to do with it

did you change the name of the exe in the 1221 folder at all

[deep kernel]

no, but i do change the name of the 1221 folder itself to just"Hollow Knight" and I get the 1221 version

[haughty fossil]

try adding steam_appid.txt to the 1221 folder maybe?

[deep kernel]

got that too

[digital jewel]

no you don't

it should be called steam_appid.txt

[deep kernel]

changed it now ill test it

ugh it still doesn't work

it doesnt work on my modded installation of 1221 either so it's something with the versions probably

[digital jewel]

where are the two hollow knight versions kept

[digital jewel]

they're both in there?

[deep kernel]

yeah the 1432 install as well

[haughty fossil]

did the 1221 download finish maybe?

[deep kernel]

wdym?

[haughty fossil]

when you downpatched

[deep kernel]

I've been playing on these installs for like a month so yeah i think so

[north hemlock]

i wonder if i should make a short document on how to downpatch on mac cuz it was absolute pain to do it myself and it would suck to have anyone go through that again

[haughty fossil]

go ahead, more resources is (almost) always good

its just that speedrunning on mac in general kind of sucks, since no access to livesplit autosplitter either so you have no chance of competitive or representative times anyway

[deep kernel]

btw i extracted livesplit into this folder and then I double-click livesplit.exe but maybe I need to do something different, but it's still strange that it did work on 1432

[digital jewel]

I thought you said you were running it as admin

[deep kernel]

like I right click and then run as admin sorry

[digital jewel]

it should look like this if that's the case I think

[deep kernel]

I just do that I don't know how to change the icon to make it run as admin automatically

should I delete the hollow knight 1221 Unmodded file and then re-install it with depot?

YES I DID THAT AND IT WORKS NOW :D

[gritty remnant]

Oh yeah i got 12:04 for p1 is that long

if it isnt then ill be happy

[haughty fossil]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/Trial_of_the_Warrior leaderboards

[gritty remnant]

Oh ok thx

Ufffff

[quiet saddle]

Anyone got any idea why my splits, despite clearly being saved because you can see them in the program on the right, isn't actually showing up in the edit splits menu?

[haughty fossil]

are they only real time?

[quiet saddle]

If they are, they're accidentally set that way

But even in real time, the wrong splits are displayed

[thorn jasper]

They said p1, not colo 1

[haughty fossil]

i linked to the srcom page i was already on ok

real time doesn't matter anyway

edit splits page only shows pb and best segments

if you're comparing against something else then it wont show

[quiet saddle]

Oh, so because the run wasn't finished, it's not gonna have the split times there?

[haughty fossil]

yeah

[thorn jasper]

Switch to looking at the p1 leaderboard

[quiet saddle]

Ok cool; happy to know my shit isn't bugged. Thanks!

[mossy lichen]

[cold geyser]

does anyone know if the hours played on steam counts time played on 1.2.2.1 installations?

[normal aspen]

Yeah

[deep kernel]

I just finished my first speedrun of Hollow Knight! I made a ton of mistakes but it was my first run after all. It ended up being a time of 1:01:17

[granite field]

Gg !

Don't hesitate to ask for advices if you want to improve your further runs

Also, did you used Livesplit or the post-credits timer?

[deep kernel]

I got killed by wk and uumuu and got completely lost in beast's den so I can definitely be like 10 minutes faster without much effort also I used the autosplitter on livesplit

[granite field]

WK is a tough fight yeah

[deep kernel]

ít was really close to first try tho didnt die at hk luckily

[granite field]

If you want the speedrunner role, submit your run to SRC then post your run link here

After verification

[granite field]

that's great for a first run tbh

[deep kernel]

:D

[pine shore]

so I've been downloading the downpatch depot for over an hour now... is that normal?

[haughty fossil]

if your Internet is bad then maybe

it has to download the entire game again

[north hemlock]

ze funky glitch

(i did not interact in the air so tis kinda angering)

[low bramble]

if you interact with it your first frame on the ground it also happens

[north hemlock]

welp

[haughty fossil]

can end up airborne if youre dashing, I always hesitate a tiny bit before interaction

[limpid ruin]

honestly just dash up to the platform then walk over. Thats let me never softlock and it loses like nothing

[grizzled maple]

any animation that isnt walking can do it

always just do a small walk before

[regal viper]

Why do I get watchers bouncing after walking? I'm getting more consistent with the first pair but every guide I've watched says that they can't nounce after walking yet they do most of the time

[digital jewel]

that's only if you enter their nail range

[regal viper]

I don't think I am in their nail range

That's why I find It weird and I get hit

[digital jewel]

yeah that's the issue

you need to go in range for them to swing

[hearty harness]

i might do a speedrun just before the last place (if the last place isnt extremely sweaty)

or after

ill do an hour long speedrun

ill just do it with my friends

[pine shore]

OK So I've downloaded the downpatched version, however when I start the executeable it just starts the newest version after a slightly longer blackscreen

[digital jewel]

read the part about installing it

the guide will tell you you need to create a special text file in the downpatched folder

[pine shore]

yup i did that

can i somehow (other than opening it) check if its the correct version?

[digital jewel]

send a screenshot of the contents of the folder

[pine shore]

the hollow_knight_data?

the other one would be this

[ionic sparrow]

try removing the .txt from steam_appid

and open it again

[pine shore]

damn ur a magician

so i dont have file name extensions ./

[ionic sparrow]

yep

[pine shore]

thanks for your effort

[ionic sparrow]

np, it can be a finicky thing getting it set up

[soft jolt]

Is there a bug where the trapped bench song continues through beast den? Is it bad in any way... Thought it strange when I saw it happening

[ionic sparrow]

yep thats a thing

if you hold left or right you'll get the bench music

doesnt change anything else hto

just music

[soft jolt]

So you hold left or right if you don't like the music... Got it

Hehehe

[north hemlock]

lmao

apparently i have a talent for breaking this game

[primal lance]

Pretty stoked I did my first squit pogo in Greenpath last night which is going to reduce my split time by a BUNCH once I get it down. Definitely easier than the fireball skip there, at least for me.

[thorn jasper]

fun fact: she can get softlocked there, killing the run

[frank obsidian]

guys i will try to become speedrunner after school 2day

[deft flame]

does anyone run with an xbox series S controller? is the dpad good?

[meager current]

I think people have said it's good

But I don't use dpad so

[haughty fossil]

i also do not use dpad but it does feel pretty nice

[rose surge]

dpad is nice for mashing directions (getting off a bench, talking, etc.)

[haughty fossil]

i could see accidental diagonals being an issue in other games but in hk that shouldn't be an issue

like rolling thumb from left->right i'll almost definitely tap up or down