speedrunning

[silver snow]

I'm kind of familiar with LiveSplit, so shouldnt be too bad

[true palm]

basically its just livesplit, but inside livesplit we make a list of things we do in the run for the autosplitter

[silver snow]

nice, good stuff

is there common splits everyone uses?

[finite rapids]

you can find them on resources tab on the speedrun.com page I think

which category are you running?

oh wait nmg

ok

yeah it should be there

[true palm]

yes i can actually send you a full set, but i think you should set them up yourself, its a good skill to have

[silver snow]

maybe send me a pic of your splits

so i can name them right

and order it right

[finite rapids]

make the splits and then you can setup the autosplitter

[true palm]

replace deepnest with Queens Gardens if you are doing qga

[silver snow]

yeh im reading fireborns guide for it rn

[silver snow]

thanks!

is there a place in resources for these icon pics?

[true palm]

the speedrun.com resources tab

[silver snow]

nice, ty

[true palm]

its called livesplit icons

they're sorted in a folder kind of weird, recommend searching in file explorer rather than digging yourself

[silver snow]

gotcha

so for run cat in splits editor just make it "Any%"? doesnt list nmg specifically

[true palm]

nmg is in the info tab

[silver snow]

oh i see

tyty

[true palm]

if you fill out that information, and add a world record section it will automatically fetch the World Record from speedrun.com for that category

in particular, that stuffs only important if you stream

[silver snow]

click on associate with speedrun.com?

i plan on steamin it

[true palm]

you dont need to but you can

[silver snow]

gotcha

[true palm]

if you do other people can run against your splits i believe

[silver snow]

hmm, what url do i put

[true palm]

its the url of the run you're connecting to, its for after you submit

[silver snow]

oo okay

i can't get the WR time to appear on the splits before i submit?

[true palm]

oh thats something different

to get world record to appear, you add it in your layout editor, and then click filter by variables

[silver snow]

ohh gotcha

hmm, in the example fireborn used for splits he has "Nail Upgrade" after Dream nail split

im guessing i dont need that split right?

[true palm]

nail upgrade is if you are doing nail 1 strats

[silver snow]

i havent been getting it in practice stuff

[true palm]

my splits are standard except i dont do queens gardens, i do deepnest

[silver snow]

okay, ill just copy those then

[true palm]

if you are copying fireborns guide for any%, he will teach you queens gardens first, so just replace deepnest with queens gardens

[silver snow]

there is autosplits for all those? Chandelier as well

yeh ill replace that one, although idk if ill do qga if i fail it a bunch in runs, lol

[true palm]

Once again replace "Deepnest (Area)" with "Queens Gardens (Area)"

[silver snow]

sweet! thanks a lot

[true palm]

no problem, game will automatically split upon reaching an ending as well

[silver snow]

I've never ran a game that does all the splits automatically. gonna be so nice

can't wait

[onyx spade]

is there anywhere I can find the community bests for any% current patch?

[verbal stag]

pinned in #any-percent-nmg

[onyx spade]

ty

[silver snow]

Got the basics finished for the splits 🙂

[civic hamlet]

(time is funky bcuz i sped here for a test)

the autosplitter is working but it delayed, i tried completely re-doing livesplit as well, following the guide to a T, but it's still delayed when grabbing VS, is there a way to fix for the delay?

[short spire]

that's just how it works on current patch

they moved the point at which you get VS to be later because they don't like glitch runners

[civic hamlet]

thank you for saving my sanity <3 i was really about to set it up from the start again

[short spire]

[broken patrol]

how do I get the speedrunner role?

nvm.. should have read channel description

Since I don't have access to the modded-runs channel... I found a weird thing.. when you noclip out of ancient mound after getting vengeful spirit.. you just lay there :/

^ that's a run where I basically lowered my nail damage to 0 and gave myself grubsong and weaver song... passive damage

[gritty remnant]

Had anyone here done a speed run with radiance fight

has i mean

[broken patrol]

I think.. that's #true-ending ..

[verbal stag]

^

[gritty remnant]

^

[verbal stag]

106% also does radiance

[gritty remnant]

hah so some one did do a speedrun with radiance in it

[broken patrol]

Since I'm doing runs for fun.. I've wondered: how long did it take yall to learn the #any-percent-nmg route?

[gritty remnant]

i tried speedrunning radiance fight but died right away 😅

[broken patrol]

same

[gritty remnant]

Hahah

[broken patrol]

I have never finished the radiance fight :P

[gritty remnant]

Hah me to

[broken patrol]

But I am pretty happy since I got my PB for getting to hornet down from 23min -> 12min

[gritty remnant]

i got sealed vessel for 1 minute 43 seconds

But thats childsplay

[fallen forum]

radiance is really rough tbh

[broken patrol]

that's a pretty big improvement... but improvement in speedrunning is kinda exponential

[fallen forum]

especially with te equipment and stuff

[gritty remnant]

yeah

[fallen forum]

going fast is indeed hard job

[broken patrol]

I mean.. improving from 2 hours -> 1 hour... -> 23 minutes

that's pretty exponential

[fallen forum]

ye

[broken patrol]

Since the any%nmg route doesn't bench in greenpath.. I assume you leave the game and go back to ancient mound.. to then fight false knight for the city crest..

[fallen forum]

you do quit out but you never fight false knight

[broken patrol]

oh ok?

[fallen forum]

you do a lil skip at salubra’s hut to sneak up into blue lake, grab dreamnail, and get into city from the other side

the lil skip being pogoing off your shade for some extra height

[broken patrol]

OHH right!!

shadeskip!

[fallen forum]

shadeskip isnt like all that hard to pull off once you understand whats going on with it but it is so satisfying to do the first time

[gritty remnant]

But the shadeskip wont work with steelsoul mode so you have to take another way

[broken patrol]

yes!!
I've done it once for practice

[fallen forum]

o i didnt realize they were doing steelsoul

idk where youd go for that then

[broken patrol]

no no.. I'm doin normal

[fallen forum]

o ok

i misunderstood that aside

[gritty remnant]

but im doing steel soul so :p

[broken patrol]

Np ^ fair enough

[fallen forum]

ahhh ok

[broken patrol]

Just as a little bit of context for me.. I've never done actual speedruns.. never legitimately learned a route for any game..

But I've done a sort of category of my own that I like to call glitch%..

Performing as many glitches as possible in the shortest amount of time

[gritty remnant]

Oh

[broken patrol]

Works extremely well in botw xD

For example... my PB for 25 major glitches is ~56 minutes

[gritty remnant]

Wow congrats

[broken patrol]

Thx!

There's a lot of things I could probably improve... but I'm just enjoying doing those runs :P

The only speedrunning things I've done with timers were botw glitch% and minecraft "Diamonds!"%... <- PB ~5:33

[gritty remnant]

i to love speedruning even though im bad at it

[broken patrol]

Same xD

I gave up the dia% after 2 tries because I thought: Well it can't get lower than that

[gritty remnant]

XD

[broken patrol]

so I never did it again... now I just know how to quickly get to diamonds in a new world

[gritty remnant]

oh yeah for encient debri just go to y-15

in the nether

[broken patrol]

yea!

[gritty remnant]

hah we have the same knowledge

[broken patrol]

But you could consider my hollow knight 1xx% PB to be 48 hours xD

[gritty remnant]

😂

[broken patrol]

Always room to improve.. but it was my first and casual run lmao

[gritty remnant]

Ok ima go bye

[broken patrol]

oke

[gritty remnant]

its been nice knowing you

[broken patrol]

have a great day :3

you too!

[bronze anchor]

With no background knowledge and just the powerpoint guide on srcom I finished my first run in just under 4 hrs, any familiarity w/ the run or lots of playtime in the game casually probably speeds that up a fair bit

[haughty fossil]

mfw still dont know qg

[cursive jacinth]

tried a little more of this, learned that dark part of deepnest in only 20 minutes. lot less confusing than i expected.

also i like having a lot of splits don't judge me 🥴

[haughty fossil]

honestly thats a perfectly acceptable set of splits for low%

like the only one i'd even start to question is deepnest spa

[cursive jacinth]

i like the idea of marking every single key point

(effed up queen's station skip like 4 times for no reason )

[haughty fossil]

it's a hard skip

[cursive jacinth]

i usually don't mess it up that much :(

[broken patrol]

I've been wondering... is it possible to get crystal heart on the current patch before getting mantis claw?

just because I've found out that you could just use cdash to enter the city of tears without having to go through the parkour part

[kind flume]

It might be technically possible with wings and dash? But getting wings without cdash is also pretty hard

I haven't run enough rando lately to remember the logic

[haughty fossil]

wings is impossible without claw

everything is doable up until the last jump

[kind flume]

Ah, shadeskip only gets you to claw height?

[normal aspen]

^

It's the post bv jump u can't do

[kind flume]

oh shit right

[normal aspen]

You can do basin shade skip without claw just fine

[haughty fossil]

homothety even does it in clawless shade cloak i believe

for lost kin essence

[normal aspen]

Yea

[kind flume]

So the answer is no, you can't get crystal heart without claw (without glitches)

[haughty fossil]

wings/airstall cheart i see no issues other than getting it 🥴 but v doable in a rando setting

[normal aspen]

Just wings is doable if you can get into peak

[haughty fossil]

yes but i see an issue with it, that issue being that is hard

[cursive jacinth]

i've been trying to hit the ceiling spike trick thing here for a while and i can't get it, any tips?

[meager current]

which patch?

[cursive jacinth]

1221

(based pfp btw)

[meager current]

i think top platform is easier on 1221

[cursive jacinth]

like jumping from the top plat down?

[meager current]

ye

[cursive jacinth]

it just barely misses em every time

[meager current]

when do you hit the spike?

[cursive jacinth]

i'm trying to hit it like, right as their hitboxes should be showing up

i'm also trying to hit the spike as high up as i can

[meager current]

try to hit the spike as soon as it starts falling

[cursive jacinth]

well it hit one of em that time, nice!

hm. never hits em both though.

[meager current]

can you record it so i can see what is happening?

[cursive jacinth]

lemme try

shoutouts to this higher upload limit

[meager current]

try to delay your jump just a bit

[cursive jacinth]

will do

[haughty fossil]

you're not buffering the last jump

so you don't reach the spike in time

it starts falling before you get there

[cursive jacinth]

what do you mean by buffering?

[haughty fossil]

press jump earlier

"buffering" an input is doing it slightly before the game allows you to, and the game carries that over and will perform the input on the next available frame within a small time window

[zealous cloak]

Can anyone help me with the splits/times of areas. I'm doing a speedrun, even though I don't know how to. And I'm on a console so this is gonna be hard for me.

[haughty fossil]

guides are on speedrun.com

there is a current patch any% guide there, and there is a detailed route pastebin for current patch all skills pinned in #all-skills

[cursive jacinth]

so you're saying i need to jump as soon as physically possible off that last platform to reach the spike in time

[haughty fossil]

yes

[cursive jacinth]

i see

well i'm hitting the first one consistently now but still missing the second one. progress, at least.

[haughty fossil]

it might help to look at other people do it, how long they wait for the aspids to spawn

the point of top platform bait is to get the two aspids closer together so that the spike hits both of them

[meager current]

or just play cp for easy double spike

/s

[cursive jacinth]

weird, i can swear i'm doing it exactly how i'm supposed to

i'm replicating exactly what i see. ig it's fine, one spike kill is still good enough for me

[cursive jacinth]

YO i got it

no idea how but it happened

[haughty fossil]

[cursive jacinth]

you have no idea how cool i feel right now

I DID IT AGAIN HUH i must be really lucky

[lucid stirrup]

nah

just jump off the top platform when you see them spawning, buffer a jump on the next platform and hit the spike as soon as humanly possible

[cursive jacinth]

i've been doing that for like 30 minutes and it's worked twice lul

[haughty fossil]

kill them fast and they can't kill you first

dodging takes practice

[short spire]

sounds like you're making progress at a pretty regular pace then

[bronze anchor]

I've got a few simple tips that'll hopefully help you improve, though I can't speak to how optimal they are speed-wise. First you want to practice the first knight until you're consistently killing it without taking dmg and before the second knight begins to spawn. Second, they can only do three slashes in a row, so you can sometimes know when to expect a guaranteed roll or bounce. Third, staying as close as possible to the knights is key - they won't slash (which is their easiest attack to counter and deal dmg during) if you aren't in range, and the bounce is way easier to read if the hops are short.

[haughty fossil]

i made these splits after getting sub 45 in cp any% i believe

either dash between or jump up the wall behind you and dash over

if wk are near the edges then you go near the edges

where you are in the arena isnt nearly as relevant as how close you are, maintaining damage

[bronze anchor]

Only things that'll help there are making sure you know the attacks are coming by listening for the audio cues, practice time in the fight to build the correct reaction to the attacks, and time spent watching good wk fights to see how better players handle that situation

[haughty fossil]

1.1k here

though like 700 of that is rando

[bronze anchor]

I learned the fight pretty recently only started running just shy of a month ago, so I remember the process pretty well (and am still in it)

[haughty fossil]

learning the game on kb by learning any% seems like the hardest way to go about things tbh

[harsh mason]

I only have like 500 hrs and a bunch of that is mod debugging

[cold totem]

Hi! I'm thinking about trying a HK speedrun, and I would like to know if I should begin with the Any% or the Any% Current Patch. What are the differences between them (except the patch) and which would be easier for a total beginner?

[lucid stirrup]

oooooo is it flexing hour oclock

i got 1700

[old sphinx]

1130 here

[haughty fossil]

gwonkee doesn't count he spent all his time finding wall cling storage

wcs guy
bottom text :feelspkman:

[lucid stirrup]

theres lever skip in spire, queens garden hazard warp, no inv drops, no baldur quick kill, etc

CP is harder to optimize

[haughty fossil]

CP is harder

1221 is more optimised

[lucid stirrup]

cp is technically harder to learn because CP thk, and you also have to do an extra room, but uumuu is free on CP

[old sphinx]

Epogo isn't tho 🥴

[lucid stirrup]

oh yea

epogo isn't free

[haughty fossil]

who does epogo

[old sphinx]

And you can't muripogo

[haughty fossil]

vsync epogo is honestly same difficulty as normal epogo

[lucid stirrup]

so harder thk, harder spire, harder epogo, easier QG, easier uumuu

easier den too

for CP

[bronze anchor]

Both have pros/cons, theyre both cool runs, if you don't mind the idea of downpatching maybe watch a top run of each to see what they look like to help pick

[old sphinx]

You can't do muripogo, bad category 😤

[lucid stirrup]

1221 also feels much smoother, because being able to freely use inventory drop to go downward, and wall cling storage, both make the game feel more fast paced and less clunky

if you really wanna have fun just run QoL

[cold totem]

Ok! thanks for the advices! 😄

QoL?

[lucid stirrup]

but yeah also 1221 is overall just better, theres also more competition and less bad

[old sphinx]

cp runs better if your pc isn't great

[lucid stirrup]

Quality of life mod

what pharest said as well

https://www.speedrun.com/hkmods#QoL

as 2nd QoL holder, I put a ton of effort into this, it is a very good run

a ton of effort as in 36 minutes of effort

[old sphinx]

Gwonkee bringing people to meme runs smh

[bronze anchor]

Looks like I'm at 324 hrs btw, of which about 200 of that is probably just speedruns and run practice from the last month. Not addicted, promise 👀

[lucid stirrup]

omg is that QoL wr holder pharest 😳

[haughty fossil]

those are small addiction noises vorime

get addicted to rando and do 4 blackouts a day

[lucid stirrup]

vori 👉 📈

[cold totem]

ok I think Ill try the 1221 one, despite not being familiar with glitches in general :p Tx!

[lucid stirrup]

theres like

1 glitch i recall doing in 1221

and it saves around 1s

all of uses of that glitch combined save around like 2s across the whole run if done perfectly

[bronze anchor]

GL akouphen!

[lucid stirrup]

yes gl

[harsh mason]

Wait until patch 1.5 gets rid of moonwalks so 1f turnaround boosts are consistent 😤

[lucid stirrup]

hm?

what is a 1f turnaround boost

[harsh mason]

then we'll talk about 1221 being smooth

[lucid stirrup]

you talking about fireball skips?

[short spire]

uh im not sure you know the meaning of the word glitch gwonkee

[harsh mason]

turning around for a frame to swing your nail to hit somethinh

[short spire]

minor glitches definitely save over 2 seconds throughout any% lol

[lucid stirrup]

theres like

[old sphinx]

Seer skip

[lucid stirrup]

wall cling storage

what else am i forgetting its 3am

[haughty fossil]

early control is a glitch

literally the first trick saves like 5s

[short spire]

lever skip inv drops wcs seer skip baldur 1shot

[lucid stirrup]

oh yeah seer skin is a thing

oh yea and the baldur kill

[short spire]

just to name a few

[haughty fossil]

gwonkee go to bed

[lucid stirrup]

i feel like inv drops are more just physics

and lever skips are kinda just hitboxes

[short spire]

it's literally an oversight in the game code not checking to limit your vertical velocity while inv is open

[haughty fossil]

lever skips are a glitch introduced by accident on one specific version of the game

[lucid stirrup]

yea like you have different physics with inv open

[bronze anchor]

Hazard warp is kinda just spending hp to teleport tbh

[old sphinx]

Look down can be considered as a glitch too

[lucid stirrup]

yeah cause the hitbox of ur nail go through wall

[harsh mason]

You scream skip thk

[haughty fossil]

intended game mechanics

[lucid stirrup]

oh yeah theres hazard warp

im tired

idk i just watch video do speedrun

[haughty fossil]

wcs guy can only remember wcs

[lucid stirrup]

idk strats i simply do them

[haughty fossil]

[lucid stirrup]

brain is wcs

[haughty fossil]

cheart is just easier wcs

[lucid stirrup]

[haughty fossil]

you can get to monomon with wcs

[lucid stirrup]

how does wcs guy feel about this

[haughty fossil]

you can get to monomon with cheart

[lucid stirrup]

he is conflicted

[haughty fossil]

basically the same thing

[lucid stirrup]

ok i have reached a conclusion

[old sphinx]

Except you don't need a door/elevator jamie

[lucid stirrup]

cheart is just wcs for babies

[old sphinx]

So cheart = better wcs

[lucid stirrup]

no

baby wcs

[steady lynx]

Just wcs to monomon

[haughty fossil]

cheart = wcs on demand

damn millenials and their wanting everything instantly 😤

[harsh mason]

just charge cdash whilst moving?

[lucid stirrup]

i gotta admit

[old sphinx]

Major glitch

[lucid stirrup]

id say cheart bad

but its actually just a net gain in wcs

so cheart =

[haughty fossil]

wcs guy wins either way

[lucid stirrup]

yes this is a win win

funfact: pest would have gotten a new wr today if he did more wcs

[steady lynx]

Cue the copypasta

[harsh mason]

If pest did televator he would have had wr

[old sphinx]

fun fact: pest would have gotten a new wr today if he was faster

[haughty fossil]

guys i think if you want wr you should have done what pest did but where he missed wcs you should have got that, i think he really fucked up there

[harsh mason]

legalize gay televator

[haughty fossil]

do i want to ask?

[old sphinx]

televator

[harsh mason]

Have you never heard legalize gay weed Jamie?

[steady lynx]

Why is televator banned again?

[haughty fossil]

because it got voted on

[lucid stirrup]

wcs storage is faster

[old sphinx]

Cause it's a major glitch

[lucid stirrup]

really wcs is just free rekky

[haughty fossil]

yeah but televator is more addictive than drugs 😤

[normal aspen]

when two televators of the same gender really love each other

[main stratus]

Quick question. How would I record a speedrun on switch since its on a console with no recording abilities?

[hearty adder]

You can get a capture card, or just point a camera to your screen

As long as the game can be seen clearly and game audio is present

[main stratus]

Ok thanks

[valid umbra]

got an idea for a weird speedrun

if it’s possible to finish the game without interacting (or no up/down bind)

actually no you gotta talk to the shaman

[weary root]

no you have to interact with monomon

[steady lynx]

And entering the black egg

[sonic crane]

even in any%?

oh black egg yeah

does absrad have the challenge prompt?

[ornate copper]

O

[steady lynx]

Don't even ask about Godhome, you would need a key

[valid umbra]

you gotta interact with the statues for d nail

man I did not think this through

[steady lynx]

You can run the best category through

Menderbug%

[short spire]

trying to figure out the lowest interaction count could still be interesting though potwntially but maybe not

[steady lynx]

Or not even that

[valid umbra]

someone covered the least listening run

[short spire]

0 is extremely far from possible tho lol

[steady lynx]

5 is maybe

[sonic crane]

interact%, fastest possible run to the heal sign

[steady lynx]

Mms

[weary root]

I mean it's probably just any% AG..

[short spire]

i presumed nmg setting

[normal aspen]

NMG or NMMS would be interesting

AG doesn't deserve to be acknowledged

[steady lynx]

Nmg around 16 is my first guess

[short spire]

mound would actually cost like 3 interacts

so probably no vs

[normal aspen]

longnail is only 2 ig

[valid umbra]

I’m not an expert in speedrunning, why would longnail be needed?

[normal aspen]

baldurn't

[steady lynx]

3 for longnail

[valid umbra]

ah

I mean, you couldn’t interact with benches

[normal aspen]

door, sally, ?

[broken patrol]

What are yall talking about?

[valid umbra]

there are auto saves though

[normal aspen]

savequit to bench

[valid umbra]

lowinteract%

[broken patrol]

oh oke

[steady lynx]

Wait, savequits

[weary root]

oh you might have to savequit to dirtmouth though 🥴

[broken patrol]

.. now it makes more sense!

thx

[sonic crane]

is getting off the bench an interact?

[steady lynx]

Would you fight soul master?

[valid umbra]

you can do nearly any button to get off (jump/up/down/etc)

[short spire]

vs would let you skip dash though

yeah i think dive instead of lantern is a given

[normal aspen]

dash is worth coz tram is mega interacts

the dash interact is cancellled by tram pass

[kind flume]

you said no up/down binds initially. did you mean to disallow down- and upslashes?

[normal aspen]

trhen u need to open and use tram

[short spire]

oh yeah def true insom

[steady lynx]

Just walk everywhere

[valid umbra]

up to you, low interact and/ornot updown binds

would be difficult, best to leave it at low interact

[kind flume]

it would make shade skip expensive eg

[short spire]

although it's not like you need tram pass dashless

thats just the fastest low% route

[steady lynx]

If we're fighting soul master anyway shade skip becomes insignificant

[normal aspen]

lantern is sly door, sly, sly dm door, sly again

u prob get dive

esp coz u yump into it

[short spire]

yeah dive is free i think

[steady lynx]

Dive is zero interacts as far as I can think right now

[short spire]

and dive lets you get cdash in just 1 interact i think

so once you have dive the route is pretty much done

[steady lynx]

Yeah, then down to dnail

[short spire]

like theres only 100% required presses left after that

[steady lynx]

What does the count get to?

[normal aspen]

so its basically longnail spellless til city then soul master bonk > any% without tstage

[steady lynx]

Best part will be going all the way from beast's to black egg

[weary root]

Kinda a cool category cause you have to walk everywhere

[normal aspen]

do u get wings?

[weary root]

lots of movement

[short spire]

post dive it'd be
cdash
archives entrance
monomon
beast den entrance
black egg entrance
black egg entrance nr 2

[normal aspen]

wings pikup cancelled by trap bench

[steady lynx]

Wings are free but costs time

[short spire]

oh trap bench good catch

[normal aspen]

guess its just time waste

wasn hoping it would save one more

[short spire]

yeah youd just go grab wings

[normal aspen]

nah its a save one lose one

[short spire]

wings pickup isnt an interact

[normal aspen]

not rlly worth

ohhhh

yeah ur right

if only dashmaster wasnt a pick up

[steady lynx]

Dnail is two interacts, damn you seer

[normal aspen]

and ismas

[short spire]

with wings I think my required interact list is accurate

post dive

[weary root]

would we be able to buy shaman at the same time as longnail??

[steady lynx]

I just assumed we'd get dnail after cdash since it's on the way to wk

[weary root]

it's a lot of geo

[kind flume]

it's also a lot of notches

[valid umbra]

only 470?

[weary root]

you can save quit to dirtmouth bench to unequip longnail

[valid umbra]

oh shit yeah you’d have to stick to 3 notches unless you can buy everything from salubra in one fell swoop

[steady lynx]

We'd not have vs btw

[weary root]

do have dive though

[steady lynx]

That's true

Too bad DDark is behind a door or we'd get the free win button

[short spire]

ok so longnail + dash is 3 presses but so is vs

and both unlock claw

[weary root]

what are the three longnail presses?

[short spire]

salubra 2 and then 1 for dash

[steady lynx]

Dash would be handy for getting around

[weary root]

dash salubra and?

oh sally is in a house

tru

[short spire]

ultimately i think both of those routes would end up at the same count?

[valid umbra]

you should think into the future and see which would result in less interacts

[steady lynx]

I can't think of anything that'd be different after claw

Except different boss fights

[weary root]

how're we getting into city/sanctum?

shade skip is only one interact

[steady lynx]

With dash it's easy, without we'd shade skip

[valid umbra]

it’s an interact for hegemol pickup and statue

[short spire]

aight so from the top:
claw acquisition - 4
dnail - 2
cdash - 1
monomon - 3
beast den - 1
black egg - 2
total - 13?

am i missing anything

[weary root]

how're we getting into city?

[short spire]

shade skip

[kind flume]

Monomon three? Door to archives, interact with monomon, talk to quirrel

[steady lynx]

Talking to elderbug so YouTube comments don't invalidate the run

[short spire]

ah true the muri chat

[valid umbra]

that’s an interact, pricy but worth it

[kind flume]

Is beasts den for the bench? Then free wings would help skip that?

[steady lynx]

Entering

[short spire]

beast den is for beast den

[kind flume]

right

[steady lynx]

It's a door

[valid umbra]

den is at least 2, entering and benching

[digital jewel]

not if you have wings

[valid umbra]

you can’t break through the ceiling?

[kind flume]

there's a hidden path up

[steady lynx]

It's used in every main category except any% and low%

[valid umbra]

well is wings interact-free?

[kind flume]

yeah

[weary root]

do we get to quit back to lurien after wings?

[steady lynx]

Low interacts true ending?

[weary root]

no

[steady lynx]

Birds

[weary root]

you's have to farm essence

LUL

[steady lynx]

Actually, fluke things

[weary root]

probably flukes

yeah

[steady lynx]

Still cursed

[valid umbra]

for essence you don’t have to interact to fight, only to claim (thinkin aloud, ignore me)

[fair island]

you can't do flukes cuz it requires simple key

[weary root]

yeah but we can skip the interact entirely by farming essence

[steady lynx]

You also get to kill some grave warriors, soul tyrant, failed champ

[weary root]

you can spike tunnel into waterways

[steady lynx]

White defender too then

[kind flume]

is lost kin an interact after fighting, or is it automatic?

[digital jewel]

dream bosses require an interact

[weary root]

no you have to interact with dream bosses to claim essence

[digital jewel]

besides zote lol

dream warriors you can dream nail to claim though

[steady lynx]

Only white defender that'd be viable

[digital jewel]

oh true white defender as well

but you can't get soul tyrant or failed champion

without interacts

[steady lynx]

10 minute reddit?

[valid umbra]

true ending could be an extra challenge, I say we focus on any ending first

I doubt true takes less interacts

[steady lynx]

Nah, next up, Godhome ending

[valid umbra]

that’s, one per pantheon

just gotta not bench

[steady lynx]

You'd have to do pantheons with nail 0

Fun

[kind flume]

and dive as only spell, lovely

[valid umbra]

iframes though

[steady lynx]

At least you get shaman

And grimmchild might be useful

[kind flume]

grimmchild is an interact with the tent?

[valid umbra]

you gotta enter and talk to grimm yeah

that’s 2

[steady lynx]

You have to fight grimm for p3 to unlock anyway

[kind flume]

man the knowledge bombs

[valid umbra]

pantheons are a yikes amount of interacts

[weary root]

you get no charm notches though

[steady lynx]

I've tried normal GE and let me tell you, it's a terrible category

You have to get the trial 1 notch and you can get one sorta easily from salubra

[limpid ruin]

I kinda assumed these two were bc different dnail levels. Are they permanently in non dnail mode?

[digital jewel]

no you just can't dream nail them

any dream boss that has a dialogue after you have to talk to

it's only dream warriors you can skip the dialogue by dreamnailing the ghost

[steady lynx]

How much essence can you get from warriors and white defender without extra interacts?

[valid umbra]

you can dnail vessel’s body post-lost kin?

[digital jewel]

no

[steady lynx]

Gorb, Xero, Galien, Markoth, Marmu and Hu can be gotten without interaction to my knowledge

[digital jewel]

you have to talk to hornet 2 after beating her

[frank marten]

just dnail them

[weary root]

it's TE we need shade cloak

[digital jewel]

good point

[valid umbra]

not sure what happens if you dnail them after defeating. if you get the essence then yeah you’re right

[kind flume]

you do

[valid umbra]

well ain’t that just pog

[frank marten]

it save a good time

what are the minimal time to defeat False Knight WITHOUT the timeskip?

[weary root]

1200 from bosses then

not actually that much farming after ghostsand trees

[digital jewel]

timeskip?

[frank marten]

when you break the wall

idk the name

time stamp i think

[normal aspen]

timesink

[frank marten]

i dont know if you are joking but ok

[digital jewel]

are you asking for how much time finishing the boss loses?

[frank marten]

yes

how many time i need to finish it

[digital jewel]

around 45s if you do it optimally

[frank marten]

well i think i can it in 1-3 minutes

i did it in ~5 minutes, but i lost ~1 'cause of the aspid fight and i get damaged by some vengeflys

[hearty adder]

That's pretty nice

However, it should be noted the in-game timer isn't very reliable

[frank marten]

i know, thats why i said ~5

and i just want to pratice and have fun for now, maybe one day i will do a serious speedrun

[ionic cargo]

someone got a 5second run according to the endgame timer

[frank marten]

rly?

[hearty adder]

Yeah, in-game timer can break like that

[gritty remnant]

Emm does fireb0rn or the god gamer ever chat in this section?

[digital jewel]

no I've never seen him

[normal aspen]

who's fireb0rn?

[gritty remnant]

!!!

...

the god gamer?

[ionic cargo]

its a joke lmao

[gritty remnant]

Ooooohhh ok

[flat spear]

who fireb0rn

[gritty remnant]

but srsly does he ever chat here

[digital jewel]

you'll probably have more success on his server if you want to chat with him

[gritty remnant]

oh ok

[ionic cargo]

rarely

[gritty remnant]

Oooohhhh ok

[hearty adder]

Maybe the real fireb0rn was the friends we made along the way

[gritty remnant]

I got to his server

...

[peak sedge]

Tips for beating wk for any% nmg

[weary root]

practise

[haughty fossil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlmjHynpIjc&list=PLfkLKB8O1Ff0-AApWYqqgFjMcMMVaW_JH&index=8

[peak sedge]

Thanks

[low bramble]

jamie do you have that bookmarked too

[weary root]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc-_Vg-Y8ME also this

[haughty fossil]

actually no i am just very fast

[low bramble]

hopefully you wont be as fast saturday

[haughty fossil]

this sounds like a threat

[low bramble]

it is, im manipulating your sanctum rng as we speak

[haughty fossil]

go ahead, call the police
they can't un-soul your sanctum

[normal aspen]

[hearty adder]

There's many people who do runs with keyboard

Some even with mouse binds, somehow

[low bramble]

keyboard is the superior input device anyways

there’s actually a fix for that

#resources message

russian hacks ftw

[limpid ruin]

Yea. You can just open it up when you're playing the game if you want to, but it basically stays up in the bg yea

But yea, the socd cleaner that aerto linked you there basically emulates how the controllers handle turnarounds with stick + dpad

[old sphinx]

I use the DS4 dpad and have no problem with it

[limpid ruin]

Ds4 claw grip is optimal claw grip

Do you play mainly with dpad, pharest?

[old sphinx]

Only with dpad

[limpid ruin]

Yea that was what I expected

It might be down to when they were produced, I think there were some revisions a couple of times after release as well

[old sphinx]

It's a DS4 v2

Idk if it matters or not

[limpid ruin]

To me the ds4 controller I got along with ps4 slim console pack (cause I don't remember version) has super mushy buttons, which is why I prefer xbone

But I know tons of others love the controller so who am I to complain

[old sphinx]

I finished celeste with that controller too

It's been like 2years that I'm using it and 0 problem

And only used analog for the feather

[limpid ruin]

I had a friend stream celeste and the dpad made downdashing a regular occurrence hard to avoid

Never really experienced analog drift like that outside of super old ps2 offbrand controllers where I think 8yr old me spilled juice or something and it ruined the plastic 🥴

Or some super minor stuff occasionally, but like 99.9% handled by just having sane dead zones

[gritty remnant]

WHAT IS THIS

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[hallow panther]

I'm trying to learn nmg, but I'm stuck on Watcher Knights. I'm following Fireb0rn's tutorial for them, but I can't manage to get all 4 hits in the nail-fireball-nail-nail sequence and still have time to react to the next attack. Yes I am using quick cast. It just doesn't feel possible to make the attacks so close together.
Is there anything I might be doing wrong here to have this problem?

I am pressing nail exactly once per swing

[regal viper]

I'm really bad at watchers so don't take my advice as a good thing to do but maby start with just three nail hits to be able to react faster

[regal viper]

Or just jump before seeing what they're doing, if they swing continue with the cycle; if they roll to a side jump over them and fireball and if they rolljump drift back and cast vs twice

[regal viper]

You should have time to react while jumping

Sorry😕

[thorn jasper]

It just doesn't feel possible to make the attacks so close together.
If you're waiting for the full nail swing animation to finish before pressing quick cast, that will be too slow. There's a tighter timing to the "nail cancel", where the knight's post-swing animation is cancelled and a spell comes out. If you send a clip of your fight, we'll be able to tell if you're hitting that timing

[hallow panther]

Didn't know that was a thing, so I'm not sure if I was doing it or not

[grizzled maple]

I have a video brb

[hallow panther]

I think I need to work on other parts of the fight a bit more as well, I definitely need to get better at reading their telegraphs and reacting to them, I was just wondering about that one thing in particular for now

[grizzled maple]

Its in here somewhere
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10aXiOYQu-SLQlsyb5TTBfqFT8fNmBjyPJH7gJC8u_bk/edit?usp=drivesdk

Theres a lot of useful noob info.

I made this for relyea when he was learning

[hallow panther]

I think I got it from the description and messing around with infinite soul on

[grizzled maple]

It was never public lol I just share it when it comes up

[ionic cargo]

its so useful for when your starting out though

[grizzled maple]

Besides for most things a lot of other guides are better. I just have a few that are more detailed like showing why fps matters and nail cancels

Oh and the deepnest alt route is in there

[hallow panther]

It is so hard to tell what attack they are going to do, I keep dying from trying to dash over bounces

[grizzled maple]

If you do the damage rotation correctly you should go over before they start to get aerial. Sounds like you might be starting too late

[hallow panther]

It's just really hard to be consistent in such a reactionary fight

[grizzled maple]

Yeah that fight is the big one that the answer really is just do it 500 times

[hallow panther]

I think I am getting faster, but I'm also dying faster

[grizzled maple]

Its where a lot of new runners just fall off and quit unfortunately

[hearty adder]

The biggest hurdle to overcome in any% tends to be Watcher Knights, it just takes time to get the hang of it

[grizzled maple]

If you have the time I usually recommend all skills since its MUCH easier than any% but its longer

Watchers die to 2 ddarks and some change lol

[hearty adder]

All Skills watchers are best enjoyed when you've already died to them many times on any% to take out your feelings on them

imo the best WK fight is in True Ending, but also TE isn't very beginner-friendly lol

[hallow panther]

How different is the start of all skills? I've already kind of got the start down for nmg

[frank obsidian]

guys i got a new pb

[thorn jasper]

Everything through the shade skip is very similar, with some minor geo routing differences

[hallow panther]

I might look at that then, seems like a good idea

[grizzled maple]

The hardest thing in the entire all skills run is the isma section and hornet 2

[thorn jasper]

#all-skills has some good stuff pinned

[grizzled maple]

But those acid skips are still easier than any of the ones in any% lol

[frank obsidian]

guys i got 1 hour 6 min pb in any%

[frank obsidian]

the any% crossroads one is easy, my friend showed me a trick

[grizzled maple]

Does that one even count as an acid skip

[frank obsidian]

yes because its over acid

[jagged vault]

Yes, you get lined up nicely by walking off the platform

[grizzled maple]

The isma ones are that free

[frank obsidian]

and you have to crystal heart

[frank obsidian]

YES EXACTLY THATS IT

[grizzled maple]

I was joking btw if that wasn't obvious

Not about the easiness but about fog canyon acid

[frank obsidian]

it wasnt lol, but that isnt ur fault, i have trouble with sarcasm and stuff due to my autism

[grizzled maple]

I forget it's there half the time since you can autopilot it

[hallow orchid]

Ismas skips are harder than the fog canyon skip by quite a bit but still much easier than QGA

The harder part is the spike tunnel imo

[frank obsidian]

queens garden easiest skip

[jagged vault]

By ismas skips you mean getting ismas for QGA right

[frank obsidian]

me and my friend didnt even try that QG acid one

[jagged vault]

Kappa

[thorn jasper]

yeah like all skills current patch

[frank obsidian]

Me and my friend did a multiplayer run of any% and thats when i got my new pb

Blue doesnt know it but his next category is lawnmower%

[thorn jasper]

how much of p5 do you need to do for all grass?

[ionic cargo]

none you can do it in HoG

[north hemlock]

has anyone here downpatched the game on a mac, ive been trying to do so for a while and none of the commands i try to run seem to work, all i get to know out of it is this error message

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/462200562620825600/819195257086279740/Screen_Shot_2021-03-04_at_12.08.10_PM.png

?

im using terminal to run it

a

then what am i supposed to do?

ok

[limpid ruin]

it looks like it isnt needed, but can you run dotnet just to make sure its installed and the right versions etc?

[thorn jasper]

you might be in the wrong directory in the terminal

[limpid ruin]

otherwise, is your terminal in the same directory as your depotdownloader.dll? (darn you slaurent)

[north hemlock]

i think not

how do i change the directory then?

[limpid ruin]

I didnt like this one especially much, but Step 2 and Step 5 look immediately helpful
https://computers.tutsplus.com/tutorials/navigating-the-terminal-a-gentle-introduction--mac-3855

[north hemlock]

k moment of truth then

it worked, thanks

[limpid ruin]

yo lfg

[regal viper]

Guys is there any guide series for all skills just as fireborn's for any%?

I was watching a couple of runs yesterday and I really like the router + I like Hornet 2 so I'm maby swapping

[ionic cargo]

here's a good one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCXH-ajD9Dk&list=PLe3Nyw-0gXJpBqG9qLRx195qLFI3FD3_N

[regal viper]

Nice

[bleak saddle]

goddamn I suck so hard at watcher knights

[old sphinx]

It's one of the hardest part to learn

[bleak saddle]

like I never had a problem with them casually but I would just spam DD so I never properly fought them

[hearty adder]

If you run All Skills you can also just spam DD

[bleak saddle]

I prefer to have a shorter run though

at least when I'm just starting in a game

[thorn jasper]

4 mask shards

[ionic cargo]

trial of the warrior

[hearty adder]

4ms peepoArrive

[bleak saddle]

I prefer to have a shorter run where I actually complete the full game*

idk

just gotta grind it I guess

[ionic cargo]

all glitches

[bleak saddle]

I honestly can't be bothered to mess around with downpatching and stuff

I've just got to learn how to do it properly

watcher knights that is

[vocal dove]

contrary to popular belief, downpatching is really simple and easy 🙂

[fair island]

*if you read and follow all the steps properly

[north hemlock]

isnt there supposed to be a hollow_knight data folder next to this?

[fair island]

If your on mac, the hollow Knight.app (the one on your screen with the Knight icon) acts like the hollow Knight data folder

[knotty vigil]

can i delete my depot folder btw

i downpatched to 1.2.2.1 but my computer can't handle it

so now its kinda taking up space

[north hemlock]

oh forgot to mention, the app doesnt open. i copied the app to another folder, made a plain text called steam_appid, and copied the app id into it, and when i tried to launch it it didnt work

wait nvm i think i know what i did wrong

[thorn jasper]

yes you can. I just tested; it works fine

[thorn jasper]

to clarify just in case, I was able to delete the thing called .DepotDownloader here

[peak sedge]

Does anyone know if you can do the queens gardens acid skip on Xbox one. I am having trouble when attempting it.

[steady lynx]

You can

It's just very precise

[north hemlock]

oh

[peak sedge]

Ok

[north hemlock]

isnt that supposed to be a unix executable

[bleak saddle]

I also want to do mods and challenge runs and godhome stuff

so it'd just be time consuming really

[hearty adder]

Are you practicing it in a savefile that has Isma's Tear?

[meager current]

Make a seperate cp install and a 1221 install

[peak sedge]

@hearty adder no

[hearty adder]

Ah, good

Then yeah, it's just a precise trick

[peak sedge]

Ok

I will just keep practicing

[knotty vigil]

thx

[inland pendant]

why downpatch failed ?

[north hemlock]

aand it still doesnt work

[haughty fossil]

did you run the steam patcher

[inland pendant]

what is "steam patcher" ? it's console ?

[haughty fossil]

did you read the downpatch guide on speedrun.com

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten this one

[inland pendant]

no, I was watching a tuto

[verbal stag]

the video is outdated

[inland pendant]

okay

[thorn jasper]

there are multiple videos; some of them are outdated

[north hemlock]

apparently the file in contents in macOS is still a plain text

instead of an executable

well, unix executable actually

[inland pendant]

I'm going to read the guide on speedrun com

[slate fulcrum]

help

[chrome jay]

froze ?

[slate fulcrum]

yep

i can't do anything

[chrome jay]

alt f4 I think

[fair island]

you have to interact with it after you are completely on the ground

or else that will happen

[slate fulcrum]

i was on the ground i think

[north hemlock]

ok figured it out

[stuck raptor]

You have to be on the ground longer than 1 frame

[grizzled zealot]

Is it possible to downpatch if you own Hollow Knight on the Microsoft Store?

[slate fulcrum]

ok, i'll be more careful in the future

still, this made me laugh hard

[frank obsidian]

Are you allowed to have health bar mod on for an official run

[hearty adder]

No

[frank obsidian]

Ok

[hearty adder]

You're not allowed to have any mods on for either the main leaderboards or the category extensions

Including moddingAPI

However, there is a board for modded categories

which i don't remember the name of

[meager current]

hkmods

[peak sedge]

I am looking for beginner category I tried any% nmg but got stuck on wk. I play on Xbox one.

[thorn jasper]

All Skills

[peak sedge]

Ok

[old obsidian]

Path of Pain

[peak sedge]

Do you know where I could find a good route

[ionic cargo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCXH-ajD9Dk&list=PLe3Nyw-0gXJpBqG9qLRx195qLFI3FD3_N this is good

[thorn jasper]

They play on xbox, so they need the current patch route

It's pinned in #all-skills

[old obsidian]

path of pain is current patch
come to the good side

[ionic cargo]

https://pastebin.com/DV4SyNbp

[regal viper]

Is it possible to do city of tears pre watchers lever skip if you have dash Slash?

[digital jewel]

on 1221 yes

[ionic cargo]

I dont think so on cp

[regal viper]

I meant on cp

Forgot to write It tho

[vocal dove]

all of the lever skips were patched out

[regal viper]

All of them?

[ionic cargo]

all of them

[regal viper]

So cp city of tears is a lot diferent than 1221 then

[haughty fossil]

not all

the tiny one in rg still exists 🙂

that saves like a second

[hollow raven]

I assume people have already looked at this, but would it be possible to skip lantern and get cdash with dive instead? How much time does that lose?

[haughty fossil]

lots

[hollow raven]

OK

[haughty fossil]

sanctum is incredibly slow

[hollow raven]

Right

[vocal dove]

you mean the one where you hit it under the lever?

[hollow raven]

Oh yeah tons of levers you have to flick and backtrack

[haughty fossil]

yes joe

it is still a lever skip, it just doesn't provide access to anywhere you don't already have access to

[stuck raptor]

Going to sanctum, killing soul master, getting dive, and leaving loses probably like 10 minutes

[vocal dove]

i was gonna say is that really a skip? lmfao

[stuck raptor]

Much much slower than lantern

[hollow raven]

Yep i knew its slower based on you ppl not using it but i just didnt have an idea how much slower xD

[haughty fossil]

a big issue is getting hardsaved after picking up dive, so you can't just quit out, you have to actually WALK

[hollow raven]

Oh, thats fun

[grizzled zealot]

Is it possible to downpatch if you own Hollow Knight on the Microsoft Store?

[stuck raptor]

Don't think so

[grizzled zealot]

:(

[hollow raven]

Is it worth in true ending, if you get dreamgate before and then dreamgate out of sanctum after doing soul tyrant as well?

[haughty fossil]

hk is half off on gog right now

[regal viper]

Is there a tutorial series on cp all skills or any good document with the movement?

[haughty fossil]

tyrant was routed out of true ending to avoid ever going to sanctum

[hollow raven]

Ah nice xD

[haughty fossil]

watch top runs, otherwise no

[true palm]

watching runs to learn isnt bad, its what i did

[limpid dust]

quick question, is the fluke charm broken in 1.2.2.1 or was it nerfed already?

[haughty fossil]

broken

[limpid dust]

thx

[haughty fossil]

could be better, but still insane

[regal viper]

I'm going back to any%

[peak sedge]

Do people know how to record speedruns on Xbox one

[true palm]

trust me its not that bad, i learned all of low% from watching videos

[somber cedar]

I found crazy exciting tech: apparently practising a ton just works?? Wtf. (I chain died to AS WK and to spike tunnels yesterday and they just ... work today)

[ionic cargo]

here is a good pastebin https://pastebin.com/DV4SyNbp

sorry for the @

[grizzled zealot]

you could use a hard drive and record up to one hour, or stream on Twitch/Mixer and use that footage

[peak sedge]

Ok thanks

[true palm]

you can also just record footage with your phone as long as game audio is audible

[peak sedge]

Ok

[north hemlock]

is there a way to fix that bench glitch on downpatched versions on a mac

aka the whole delete team cherry folder thing

[regal viper]

It's a shame that it doesen't teach you the rooms, I don't have enough game knowledge to navigate trough HK without memorizing everything

[haughty fossil]

bench storage is not a registry thing but 🥴

[mild moon]

Being stuck at benches after downpatching is a registry thing.

[north hemlock]

then uh

how to fix?

[haughty fossil]

oh oops i misunderstood

[digital jewel]

idk what the mac equivalent is

[haughty fossil]

someting about ~/Library/Preferences comes up w/ precursory googling

[true palm]

i didnt even realize you could downpatch on mac, thought depot downloader and the steam downpathcher didnt work

[haughty fossil]

depotdownloader is on dotnet so can be run on mac

[hearty adder]

Can I get some tips on manipulating the moss knight so it jumps back? I can't seem to get it consistently

[thorn jasper]

the tip that helped me was 'get closer'

[north hemlock]

would it be this?

[pure vault]

unless you’re on CP because the hitbox is stupidly far left for some reason lol

[north hemlock]

apparently windows registry on mac = .plist so

[hearty adder]

I'm on cp so if i get a little too close i get bonked

[haughty fossil]

vys it's worse, the hitbox is offset forward in front of the knight whichever way its facing, so when it turns around the hitbox teleports 10 light years to the right

[hearty adder]

Now that i think about it, did they fix that in 1.5?

[haughty fossil]

on cp the lineup is different because different pos

of course not

something genuinely broken being fixed? nah i'll patch out hardfall cancels because that really ruins the casual experience

[hearty adder]

Also for reference for other people, this is the hitbox

[grizzled maple]

looks perfectly fine to me

[haughty fossil]

i swear it's worse when the shield is up

[pure vault]

yea that’s so stupid lol

[hearty adder]

Shield up is worse, as jamie said

[pure vault]

jeeeez

[grizzled maple]

see whats happening is the direction he's facing is overcome with DETERMINATION and his back side is just soft and fluffy

[pure vault]

megalovaniasfirstfournotes.mp3

[hearty adder]

Your hits to his back get absorbed by floof

[haughty fossil]

hk but every nail swing is replaced with sans speaking noises

[hearty adder]

Modders get on this

[pure vault]

wait I thought that existed already?

or am I imagining things

[north hemlock]

yea uh tis not working

[pure vault]

maybe it was on the dash in celeste or something, idk I remember something having his noise

[north hemlock]

deleting the plist did absolutely nothing

nvm i just didnt empty trash lmao

[low bramble]

vys sharing his nightmares

[inland pendant]

I wanted to launch "SteamDepotDownpatcher" for downpatching hollow knight, but my antivirus software say that this is a virus... it's safe ?

[haughty fossil]

it is safe

[inland pendant]

what is the software used for?

[haughty fossil]

we wouldn't redistribute malware made by our community, and it is open source so you can inspect it yourself

its used for downpatching

[inland pendant]

okay

[haughty fossil]

i'd recommend reading the full downpatch guide here: https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten

[grizzled maple]

also for the record, most speed communities use that same software

its not just hk

[true palm]

all it does is patch steams console to allow you to download depots, an old feature that was removed for literally no reason

[pine shore]

Uhm the Steam console shows this when I try to download a downpatched version

[verbal stag]

follow this guide: https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten

[pine shore]

thats literally where i have my information from

[haughty fossil]

did you run the steam downpatcher

[pine shore]

yes

as far as im aware

it warned me but i said that it should still run

oh it says this

[haughty fossil]

are you on outdated or beta steam client

or steam family mode apparently also borks it

[pine shore]

oh yeah that could be it

Okay that was it, thanks alot 😄

[stone flame]

Not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but I am kind of confused seeing the tournament's website. For 1.2.2.1, the Swiss brackets say that round 2 starts at March 15 and every race in round 1 is finished. But the schedule says that there are races before that and they are not listed on round 1 or round 2 of the bracket. What am I missing?

[formal bough]

It could be a cp race? I haven't been following the completedness of the tourny

[haughty fossil]

round 2 started a while ago

on march 1st

march 15th would be the deadline for round 2 races

[stone flame]

ooh I see

I think they might be CP races, that makes sense. I should've checked that sorry

[gloomy bane]

im having problems doing the cdash in qga what its the timing?

[tardy sable]

practice the ledge above qga, do the same motion (minihop off, dash right, cdash). If your cdash is not coming out you are early. If you are dropping height on the ledge you are late

[haughty fossil]

also ensure you are not too high when you dash into the wall

you cannot start a cdash if you're not almost inside the acid

[gloomy bane]

oh i though i have to dash up

ok and how i jump without dying after the cdash xD

[tardy sable]

if you are too low, there's like nothing you can do
if your cdash high enough, some people like to cancel cdash and use the cancel to time their jump. Others (including me) use the audio cue from hitting the wall on the other side to time the jump

[gloomy bane]

okay

thx

[tardy sable]

If you are not confident you can also just cdash between random walls (such as the dirtmouth stag station) and see if you can jump after hitting the wall without dropping height. The timing should be pretty lenient

[gloomy bane]

that looks a good way to practice it

[true palm]

you know whats even better, turn on invincibility on debug mod and you can just practice on the qga wall

your goal should be keeping the eyes just barely touching the acid

[gloomy bane]

yeah thats even better

[gloomy bane]

thats not too low?

like this?

[last inlet]

that looks good

if you're consistently getting that height cdash you should be able to get the walljump basically every time

[grizzled maple]

you want the eye hole like half way in the visible acid

can even go a little higher and still get the cdash to latch

[short spire]

any height where you're able to charge the cdash will work

just the lower you are the more difficult it'll be on the other side

[true palm]

i havent done qga in a while, but you can cancel your cdash early by the wall and try that, i've heard good things about it

i personally used the audio cue of the thud to help me know when to jump

[gloomy bane]

that sounds more risky to me

[last inlet]

yeah i use the slam sfx to time the walljump

[true palm]

you can also use the visual effects from the thud as well i've heard

[short spire]

they're both objectively the same difficulty in terms of input precision, just different cues are easier for different people

[haughty fossil]

cdash cancel animation has more movement

whereas slam is just wall shaky

[grizzled maple]

imo the cdash cancel gives me more time to react because im a visual person. so seeing the animation change to wall grab as a cue is better for me than hitting the wall

its 100% preference

[last inlet]

i personally much prefer having a certain rhythm for tricks and inputs, so i'm much better at timing an input a certain amount of time after a cue rather than judging a visual. definitely just whichever you find easier

[gloomy bane]

but like canceling the cdaash before hiting the wall?

[lucid stirrup]

yea cancelling is easier for me

its also faster

i don't know anyone that slams and consistently gets first try, but then again i havent seen a lot of people do qga

[gloomy bane]

i cant imagine how to do it canceling is there any video?

[lucid stirrup]

yea

its really easy

ill link

[digital jewel]

what gwonkee

it's very rare for anyone to fail the jump on the other side

with either method

[lucid stirrup]

i see people slam and fail all the time

[lucid stirrup]

https://youtu.be/JXLWUwFdrok?t=1860

[short spire]

kinda sounds like confirmation bias to me gwonkee ngl

[gloomy bane]

oh ok

i get it

[lucid stirrup]

wait hold on i gotta google that

small brain

[last inlet]

yeah i only really ever see people failing the walljump when they dash too low regardless of method

[digital jewel]

literally most people for most of the game's history did slam and jump

and it's no more or less precise than the early cancel

so I don't get why people would fail it often

[stiff delta]

maybe because of the animation?

[thorn jasper]

the screenshake from slamming into a wall gets me woozy

[lucid stirrup]

yea seems like the screenshake and the fact that theres no visual cue

thats why i cant do the slam at least

[lucid stirrup]

people do a lot of things for most of the games history that are bad

history =/= good

[digital jewel]

yeah that was in response to you saying that most people who do it fail it

[lucid stirrup]

not saying thte slam is bad

[lucid stirrup]

i didn't say this either

[thorn jasper]

xero is this the one ?

[lucid stirrup]

i mean yea everyone fails

i never said most people

"but then again i havent seen a lot of people do qga"

i see better runners do qga a lot more because they get there more often, and usually they've practiced it so they get it

or they miss the cdash in the first place

[short spire]

i only switched to canceling cause it's faster

[lucid stirrup]

but either way if you can hit the jump at the end like 95% of the time with slamming go for it, as long as it works

[old sphinx]

I switched to canceling because it's easier for me

Even for isma's skip, I cancel right before the wall when I can't see the knight and it works better for me than slamming

[lucid stirrup]

i switched to cancelling because its easier for me and its faster

[old sphinx]

But that's just me being really bad with the timing when you slam