thanks!, imma need it
#speedrunning
meager current
Gl
last inlet
gl on the runs
vocal dove
reminds me that i desperately need more segmented TE practice
last inlet
this is just me atm
i've got to mwc up to an ok standard over the past 3 days so at this rate it'll be around a month before i actually manage to start doing runs with everything practised (actually more since school is going back for me tmrw)
spark wasp
question for runners new potential runner here is there a resource outling possible routes for 112% nmg as well as any% NMG. wanna do 112 but gonna do any to get familiar with movement and skips
last inlet
check pins of respective channels and speedrun.com for guides
grizzled maple
I recommend all skills if you want to move into 1xx% runs
It covers the majority of the map and several bosses that you'll have to learn eventually in 112
Also most importantly, the only acid skips in All Skills is the same set as in 106 and 112. The isma acids skips are not done in any%
spark wasp
ill take a look at that too thanks!
last inlet
this is the speedrunning channel
hearty adder
did you buy the game on GOG
last inlet
yeah you'll have to do it through steam
hearty adder
You can only downpatch the game on whatever platform you bought it
last inlet
no?
thorn jasper
@digital jewel please add the GoG clarification to the downpatch guide 🥺
last inlet
follow the guide in the pins
haughty fossil
<@!155020322318319617> please add the GoG clarification to the downpatch guide �...
leeching off xero pin to ask for this person to have blue name #speedrunning message
random oak
any suggestions for Hornet 2??? I'm getting my ass handed to
last inlet
which category?
haughty fossil
ddark
note the first hitbox does most of the damage, do it whenever she's dashing at you or needlethrowing
also don't hit her out of a stagger if you can, ddark her towards the wall and she'll absorb the full damage
thorn jasper
also don't hit her out of a stagger if you can, ddark her towards the wall and s...
as a beginner strat, I would say dreamnail during the stagger for soul
haughty fossil
leaden python
wow Jamie really snailing me
haughty fossil
i have it bookmarked 
simple night
im trying to downpatch (using depotdownloader) to 1.2.2.1 but it keeps saying invalidpassword even though i was able to log into steam with that password 10 seconds earlier
dotnet DepotDownloader.dll -app 367520 -depot 367521 -manifest 648876203478229944 -username masterbilld -password _______
haughty fossil
try not passing the password as a property, but enter it when prompted
last inlet
^
haughty fossil
so remove the -password field
last inlet
yeah that's how i did it
leaden python
i have it bookmarked <:feelspkman:639636442821165056>
I see I never had a chance
simple night
yup that worked, thanks!
dawn walrus
5th pantheon is finally done. All achievement unlocked.
Can aim to 112% speedrun maybe 
knotty vigil
help
(again)
Could not execute because the specified command or file was not found.
Possible reasons for this include:
- You misspelled a built-in dotnet command.
- You intended to execute a .NET program, but dotnet-DepotDownloader.dll does not exist.
- You intended to run a global tool, but a dotnet-prefixed executable with this name could not be found on the PATH.
im tryna use depot to downpatch
last inlet
paste the command (obviously remove details) that you used?
knotty vigil
dotnet DepotDownloader.dll -app 367520 -depot 367520 -manifest 648876203478229944 -username * -password *
haughty fossil
are you in the same folder as depotdownloader
haughty fossil
navigate to that folder in cmd
last inlet
did you run the command prompt from that folder
knotty vigil
ohh ig not
last inlet
thatll be it
last inlet
YO
leaden python
LFG 
haughty fossil
(you have access to #low-percent now, use wisely )
true palm
i was comparing to balanced, i had a run on that pace as well that died at thk. I got 5 cycle uumuu feels bad, but i hit low% scream skip!
haughty fossil
that's because the depot is 367521
knotty vigil
oh
mustve typed it wrong
thanks
Insufficient privileges to get access token for app 367521
short spire
do you own the game
haughty fossil
on the account you are logging in with?
haughty fossil
oh wait
367520 367521 648876203478229944
are the numbers (for 1221)
you replaced both the app id and depot id
haughty fossil
depotdownloader goes <app> <depot> <manifest>
knotty vigil
so the first has a 0 at the end
haughty fossil
yes
chilly moss
What happens if i say I'm not a speedrunner
verbal stag
banned instantly
last inlet
then we tell you not to post here
sick ravenBOT
Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602
last inlet
?srpsa
sick ravenBOT
Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602
last inlet
dammit
true palm
What happens if i say I'm not a speedrunner
then we'll tell you to become a speedrunner
chilly moss
.-.
true palm
its honestly pretty banger
true palm
you have some pretty hype moments when you get new personal bests, and then theres moments where you wanna cry
proper basalt
Is it easy to go back to a previous version of the game?
proper basalt
OK
true palm
its not the quickest, but you should only need to do it once
knotty vigil
you can post here if you're not a speedrunner
but want to become one
and need help
haughty fossil
correct
true palm
in that case something along the lines of how do i become a speedrunner would be more appropriate than what will you do if i say im not a speedrunner
stiff delta
speedrunning 🙂
thorn jasper
What happens if i say I'm not a speedrunner
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dawn walrus
monkaS
last inlet
speedrunning? more like segment practice for like 30 hours without doing runs
true palm
bro i got so lucky with watcher knights today
well lets just say i had 1 hp and i hadnt even killed the first one yet because i got a crap cycle and played super bad
but then my steel soul gamerself played like a wimp and healed
stiff delta
One time when slaurent was on my stream he sent the bigtimesave.com thing in my chat and i almost banned him just instinctually until i realized who sent it
last inlet
i'm gonna just like, not click that link
true palm
trust me its super safe
knotty vigil
it was 20% downloading
now its saying
Failed to retrieve content server list: No such host is known. (api.steampowered.com:443)
a billion times a second
heeelp
knotty vigil
fallen forum
i had mine do weird things when i tried downpatching, but i just restarted my computer and it worked
so yknow
knotty vigil
hmmm
fallen forum
thats one option
knotty vigil
it takes so long though
true palm
ur telling me you tried the steam downpatcher first right?
true palm
idk i'd give it a try, its a little slower, no progress bar but its super easy
its the first method
knotty vigil
thanks
true palm
heres my shitty downpatching companion guide for that one as well
if you excuse the um's it shows everything in a visual format
true palm
np
this community being super wholesome with tolerating me throwing myself at the category that is low% is why i'm still running the game, so i try to give back in every way i can
thorn jasper
omg I just got your name is a play on constructive criticism
knotty vigil
hearty adder
wow slaurent i thought you were a wordplay/pun master 
/jk
true palm
yo when i was trimming my fungal wastes split for comsob, realized my video has these weird distortions occasionally, never seen them before, is that going to be an issue?
seems like obs was freaking out
haughty fossil
depends on severity but if game is still clearly visible it's fine
true palm
it has minor tearing around some acid, and some grass in greenpath but the rest is fine
i'm looking to see if somethings up with my obs settings,
haughty fossil
a) use quick cast
b) if you're struggling to turn around fast enough try the SOCD cleaner in #resources (makes right override left and vice versa)
severe swan
alright thanks
true palm
ye whats up
true palm
it can take anywhere from 5 minutes to 40 minutes
true palm
you'll get a depot download complete message in the console when its done
it might be extra slow today
true palm
whats the last asset file you have in your hollow knight data folder
i can tell you how close you are
knotty vigil
sharedassets498
knotty vigil
?
true palm
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\content\app_367520\depot_367521\hollow_knight_Data
go to that one
knotty vigil
oh
true palm
and then tell me the last asset file
knotty vigil
recourses.assets.res$
true palm
how long ago did that download
knotty vigil
7:49
true palm
k you're halfway there, but if new files aren't popping up the download may have stopped
true palm
idk your time zone
knotty vigil
oh
true palm
so idk if that was 9 minutes ago or an hour ago
knotty vigil
yeah only 9 minutes
nocturne leaf
question, i play hollow knight on 1.2.2.1 for speedruns, but today for some reason, when i was speedrunning (and doing good) when i quit to menu to benchwarp, it crashed my game, and i tested it, and every time i quit to menu my game crashes, and fixes?
true palm
do you have any mods installed?
and have you played on current patch recently?
or the beta
you might need to clear your registry
nocturne leaf
i did, but i deleted them (or at least i tried to)
and yes, the crashing happens on that too
true palm
so if you play on the bata
it ruins your registry for speedrunning
imma send you a link on how to clear the registry, clearing the registry will remove steel soul and godmaster mode unlocks
other than that it wont affect your game
distant dome
I want to run current patch nmg but I dont know the route
true palm
i did, but i deleted them (or at least i tried to)
and yes, the crashing happens...
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten #5 teaches you how to clear the registry
true palm
I want to run current patch nmg but I dont know the route
check out this cool powerpoint by Jamie https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/gq0g3
current patch runs the same route as 1221, but 1221 can do some skips that current patch can't, so current patch has minor detours
nocturne leaf
question, i play hollow knight on 1.2.2.1 for speedruns, but today for some reason, when i was speedrunning (and doing good) when i quit to menu to benchwarp, it crashed my game, and i tested it, and every time i quit to menu my game crashes(it also does this in current patch) i think the reason this started was because i downloaded mod installer to practice parts with debug, and it started happenning right after, so i deleted mod installer along with debug, but this continues to happen. Anyone have any fixes?
true palm
mod installer is not compatable with 1221
verbal stag
do you have the native controller support option turned on? I know that can cause crashes
distant dome
This would be my first time speed running at all
verbal stag
it might be an issue with trying to use modinstaller too
true palm
your assembly files probably messed up
theres quite a few issues
one at a time
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\content\app_367520\depot_367521 in here should be your original downpatched game
you will need to follow the steps again to set it up
this is how you install debug mod on 1221
distant dome
Is hollow knight a good gateway game for speed running because I'm not sure if it's a good pick for my first time speed running but I don't care
true palm
Is hollow knight a good gateway game for speed running because I'm not sure if i...
it has lots of beginner categories
this was my first speed game
distant dome
I love hollow knight and it doesn't seem that hard to speedrun
verbal stag
this was a lot of people's first speedgame
stiff delta
Yea this game got me into speedrunning
distant dome
I feel like maybe finishing p5 might be something I should do first
distant dome
I just need to not die to zote and markoth
thorn jasper
I've been speedrunning for six months and I've never finished p5
stiff delta
then do p5 slaurent
Ez pz
Its how i spent my first week of quarantine lol
I logged an extra 40 hours into my main save
thorn jasper
then do p5 slaurent
but that would involve doing p5 /shrug
distant dome
I have OCD and only missing one trophies on ps4 for the platinum triggers it
haughty fossil
i didn't do p5 until i had top 10 (at the time) cp any% iirc
frank marten
what are the minimal time of P4?
stiff delta
The fastest?
haughty fossil
frank marten
yeah the fastest
frank marten
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/Pantheon_of_the_Knight
ty
stiff delta
Jamie how did you link it so fast
distant dome
Does the invincibility glitch still exist
haughty fossil
try always having srcom open
stiff delta
Thats fair
haughty fossil
Does the invincibility glitch still exist
yes but is banned in no major glitches speedruns
most runs are NMG because hk is a fundamentally broken game
distant dome
I am curious if it does because I can do it for the bindings so I can have lifeblood for p5
distant dome
I would if I beat p5 without the glitch
stiff delta
neat
gloomy bane
i got my first sub 1 hour :D
distant dome
Congrats
distant dome
I wonder what time I'll get for my first run
distant dome
Menu drops are still in current patch but they're harder to preform I think
I have done them a couple times
gloomy bane
how i do the QGA? i was trying yesterday and didnt know how to do it
seems pretty harder than the one for fog canyon
distant dome
queens gardens A?
twin swallow
acid skip
prime delta
Queen’s gardens acid (skip)
distant dome
Oh yeah I have no idea how
twin swallow
practice dashing into one of the walls above the acid and timing your cdash charge so that you lose no height
if you press cdash too early or too late, you slide down into the acid
gloomy bane
ok gonna try
distant dome
Question why does the elder baldur die in one hit when it's of screen
knotty vigil
haughty fossil
something to do with its interaction as a wall
distant dome
Hollow knight has a lot of bugs wink wink
haughty fossil
katie not everyone has 100hz mashing
gloomy bane
to do qga just press buttons fast
that looks like a good strat
distant dome
Silksong is my most anticipated game of all time
prime delta
Delicious burger code
Sausage code
I do NOT want to see how the sausage code was made
dull lion
I can’t wait for all the sweet sweet silk song spaghetti
distant dome
I hope I go in blind for silksong unlike when I played hollow knight
knotty vigil
SAME THO
it wouldve been so cool to have no experence with hk
before i got it
i already feel like i spoiled it by watching the nintendo treehouse playthrough
distant dome
Nosk was spoiled for me and I hate it
distant dome
What is the best way of timing my run on console
distant dome
I dont have a capture card I don't know where I can get one
true palm
timer doesnt need to be visible in the video, but its appreciated so the mods dont have to time it themselves
leaden python
you can just run a timer on a side and shoot it all with your phone, it's allowed AvianScience
as long as the video is visible enough and the game sound is audible
true palm
thats what a lot of console runners do
distant dome
I dont know if you can tell but I have no experience what so ever with speedruns
leaden python
it's ok, Hollow Knight is many people's first speedgame, you'll feel right at home 
Make sure to read pinned messages and ask questions if you have some
distant dome
isnt the world record for any% nmg a 32:55
jaunty anvil
yes but that’s on PC which has both loadless timer which ads up and is on a patch that saves time
distant dome
Yeah I'm going to run cp nmg
jaunty anvil
goodluck !
distant dome
Why do some people say hollow knight fans are toxic?
grizzled maple
they do?
jaunty anvil
fans of everything is toxic
grizzled maple
hk is pretty chill in my experience
jaunty anvil
but yeah i havnt encountered that
thorn jasper
Why do some people say hollow knight fans are toxic?
stay under the Speedrunning channels 🙂
jaunty anvil
HK easily the least toxic community i bean in
true palm
i think casual pantheon players can flex pretty hard in hk-discussions
but other than that
jaunty anvil
ROFLLL
true palm
like i dropped in and they were freaking out that some poor dude just wanted to use sharp shadow on NKG
distant dome
Someone said hollow knight copies ori and the will of the wisps when hollow knight released in 2017 and ori released in 2020
😂
jaunty anvil
we should make a speedrunner only flex channel so u can get it out ur system
twin swallow
that is a moment
true palm
some say ori is a completely different game that has different goals for players
some might say the original ori's more of a puzzle exploration game than a combat metroidvania
gloomy bane
Watcher knights is easy
dont say that again
thorn jasper
Watcher knights is easy
are you going to be doing the route which just gets shaman stone for extra damage?
true palm
welp, the fight plays different than casual play, and we'll let them discover whether or not its still easy
gloomy bane
i was thinking in my first run that it couldnt be that hard, after that i died twice
true palm
sharedasset391.assets.resS
idk why its going so slow for you
just extra cursed i guess lmao
true palm
poorly designed
distant dome
What did I miss I was downloading the PowerPoint
true palm
how well does your pc run current patch
knotty vigil
pretty ok up until the hk fight
true palm
What did I miss I was downloading the PowerPoint
they're incredibly different than casual play trust me
true palm
pretty ok up until the hk fight
whats your fps like?
distant dome
I think they are now but in my first playthrough they um how should I say this they kicked my ass
true palm
you should enable the steam overlay to check it
true palm
this game is super fps dependent
knotty vigil
oh...
distant dome
Oh wait it will be more challenging because no charms yeah
prime delta
watcher knights is a pretty big wall
distant dome
I never use monarch wings for wk
prime delta
I once practiced them for like two hours and got to the last knight once
distant dome
The I only really use vs and nail
Tbh
And one less knight
It's still gonna be hard without mark of pride and quick slash
true palm
oh...
i hate to be a heartbreaker, but unfortunately, you also need a way to record the run as well, which will take up cpu, so be prepared to run current patch if 1221 doesnt run well
true palm
It's still gonna be hard without mark of pride and quick slash
ye if you were a mop user you're gonna have a rough time adjusting
distant dome
Mark of pride and quick slash are my babies
true palm
welcome to any%, where your nail is a baby toothpick only used to collect soul
distant dome
Which makes early game appalling for me
distant dome
I JUST REALIZED NO ABYSS SHRIEK NOOOOOO
thorn jasper
The I only really use vs and nail
...and abyss shriek, apparently 
thorn jasper
you're in for a very different fight if you've been relying on shade cloak and mark of pride
jagged vault
no shade cloak
you get there as barebones as you can be
- shaman
- and dash i guess
distant dome
I have beaten them without charms and I can only describe it as pain
I'm questioning if lifeblood is worth it for p5
true palm
as a low% runner who does it without dash or shamans, you still dont know the true difficulty of this fight
distant dome
Low% looks awful
true palm
low% is pretty great
true palm
feels bad
distant dome
It does I wasted 17 hours
true palm
Wait i have a question
lets say hypothetically
i beat my low% run in steel soul
can i submit that as an any% steel soul run too XD?
distant dome
Probably
true palm
im not going too, i just dont know if you're allowed to have one run in multiple categories
jagged vault
technically yes
but please have the verifiers in mind, if you do stuff like that just to waste their time it isn't cool
dusty flame
?rank randomizer racer
sick ravenBOT
@dusty flame, you joined Randomizer Racer.
true palm
no i'm learning the actual category for any% steel soul
i was just curious because my low% run today was steel soul (and that was redundant for me to say)
distant dome
How do I preform the invincibility glitch in hollow knight I dont remember
How fast is any% glitches
Btw I mean for the game not nmg
haughty fossil
true palm
with main menu storage on 1.0.2.8 its under 10 minutes
without main menu storage its under 20 minutes
long sky
Does anyone know the best place to get an sd card to record on console?
distant dome
Huh well I'm gonna look up the invincibility glitch because o want to see if I can do it
true palm
idk where you'd get a capture card
long sky
Dang cause I just got a 57:43:26 and wasn't recording. I streamed it but I know I need a recording
distant dome
Btw pale king really enjoys buzzsaws
sick ravenBOT
Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602
thorn jasper
but please have the verifiers in mind, if you do stuff like that just to waste t...
if a steel soul low% run was already verified, I imagine it wouldn't take too much time to also verify it for any% steel soul
long sky
I'd still need to record the stream though
distant dome
Well bye
long sky
If I'm not mistaken
true palm
if a steel soul low% run was already verified, I imagine it wouldn't take too mu...
i think its just disrespectful to the category personally to not run the intended route
long sky
Where do I activate that?
jagged vault
i mean, there's no intended route
true palm
people spend time to learn a completely different category, it feels like submitting an all skills run to any%, or something like that just feels wrong
jagged vault
sure, there's an optimal one
haughty fossil
if a steel soul low% run was already verified, I imagine it wouldn't take too mu...
i tend to pick by category, so it could be very easily missed that the two were duplicates and I would end up watching both
jagged vault
but no intended one
dry sluice
generally unless there's a specific reason not to all runs will just be moved to the strictest ruleset they fit into, same reason all the nmg runs aren't on nmms and ag boards as well just because they technically could be
if you submitted a low% run to any% I'd likely just assume it was a mistake and move it
true palm
i didnt mean for this to be taken this seriously but glad to know
long sky
Where do I activate video on demand for my stream?
dry sluice
and like same thing with almost any category, like TE, AS, 1xx, anything that actually completes the game could all be submitted to any% you'd just generally assume it was a mistake if that happened
jagged vault
and you need to highlight them to make them permanent
distant dome
How do I view the PowerPoint I'm not used to using office on a phone
thorn jasper
i think its just disrespectful to the category personally to not run the intende...
For me it's closer to "why bother submitting that run when I can do something faster for this category"
true palm
For me it's closer to "why bother submitting that run when I can do something fa...
the funny part is i can't, low% has engaged me to the point its almost faster than my any% time
thorn jasper
your next any% time will be so good
distant dome
What
true palm
i just don't find the category interesting, i might pick it up again after any% ss, or i might do true ending first
jagged vault
te
true palm
im leaning towards true ending but i dont know if i want to start the time commitment yet
hearty adder
TE practice be so fine, then boom, failed champion practice
I was practicing the cat until I couldn't figure out FC and then I got distracted with 4ms 
twin swallow
te seems like i could just lose 20 seconds in literally any split
steady lynx
TE is probably one of the hardest categories to finish
long sky
Thanks blue for the info I found it
knotty vigil
i hate to be a heartbreaker, but unfortunately, you also need a way to record th...
ooof
even on current patch the record is less than perfect
blazing elbow
I have a simple question that likely has a simple answer. I can't do the menu drop trick .___.
knotty vigil
thats cuz you're on the newest patch
steady lynx
Are you on current patch?
blazing elbow
Yupperino
steady lynx
You can't open inventory mid air in 1.3+
long sky
You need to do it as you fall of the edge of a platform
knotty vigil
yea
steady lynx
It's easy enough
knotty vigil
or if you have cloak quickly dash and open inv
long sky
I do a lot of current patch it's kinda difficult to get timing but it works
blazing elbow
Gotcha, I'll try it out. Is there a way to go back a few versions tho?
long sky
Can't you also do a dreamnail of ledge and it's super quick?
jagged vault
the timing for current patch is opening on the same physics frame as you step off a platform
steady lynx
Dreamnail drop is sick
jagged vault
@blazing elbow check the guide on speedrun.com for downpatching
knotty vigil
steam changed so now its hard to downpatch
steady lynx
Wrong video
jagged vault
why do you have a black and white 4 mask shards video lmao
thorn jasper
pin it
jagged vault
^
twin swallow
was that black and white or palette swapper'd? crossroads looked like ancient basin
steady lynx
thorn jasper
pin it
<@&284848710960021504> plz pin emray's explanation of inv drops, it's very good and useful
long sky
What's your timing you try for Gusten?
steady lynx
When I ran any% once I set the switch to black and white since my friend asked me to
Honestly, I have no idea how to time it, just got a feel for it
steady lynx
I think every other cp runner will say something similar
tough breach
knotty vigil
steady lynx
Even now in 112 runs there's only one drop I actually go for and it's the first crossroads drop
long sky
Yeah I recently was doing current patch any % and got a good time (that wasn't recorded)
I kinda want to incorporate the dream nail in
long sky
See if it's better than menu drop
hardy crown
The more I play 112 the more inventory drops I mix into the run.
Unironically if I need to go straight down and I'm not coming out of a cdash I'll go for an inventory drop.
steady lynx
But I'm a baby 112 runner, who for some reason chose to run on the worst version possible
normal aspen
yeah i just go for it
steady lynx
I have an addiction to cyclone drops
normal aspen
cyclone drops are life
hardy crown
Worst thing that happens is that you mistime it a few times.
long sky
Hi insomnia
hardy crown
Cyclone drops are slick
knotty vigil
what are cyclone drops?
normal aspen
hardy crown
Same idea as Inventory drops, but with Cyclone.
steady lynx
When you use cyclone slash, you fall faster
hardy crown
Cyclone also uncaps your falling speed.
twin swallow
charge cyclone and release when falling to go fast and look cool
knotty vigil
oh
hardy crown
Or rather, Cyclone has two different behaviours on falling speed:
If you spam the attack button after releasing the cyclone (So during the actual spin) you will fall slower and extend the spin.
If you don't touch the attack button after releasing the cyclone, you'll uncap the falling speed and do a shorter duration spin.
The second one will let you drop down places significantly faster.
steady lynx
Also quick charge by holding the nail button when cdashing through a load is pog
knotty vigil
does it work on all patches
normal aspen
yes
steady lynx
Yes
normal aspen
stuff like this
hardy crown
I think so, but the ease/availability of inventory drops on pre-Lifeblood patches makes that the superior option most of the time.
twin swallow
ooh you can do 2 cyclones there
hardy crown
Not to mention cyclone drops are by neccessity very short duration.
twin swallow
takes notes 📝
normal aspen
my contribution to as cp from a while ago
knotty vigil
damn that's cool
twin swallow
I was doing 1 cyclone and ceiling boost
steady lynx
It's good coming out of like King's Station on the way to getting killed by Hornet 2
hardy crown
Man I was like "Wait why have I never done a cyclone there that's genius"
But then I remembered 112 doesn't have cyclone by then
😛
steady lynx
112 gets cyclone just in time to cyclone drop in stag nest
thorn jasper
just route in cyclone earlier. have claw? get cyclone. ezpz
twin swallow
he's not wrong.
hardy crown
tbh just float up to cyclone after beating Hornet.
normal aspen
just do bad float. just spawned in kp? get cyclone ezpz
steady lynx
112% AG when?
twin swallow
this is a ploy to get more aluba% runners
steady lynx
Aluba% mustn't overtake 4ms
steady lynx
The superior meme cat
steady lynx
How much does 4ms nmms have?
rugged crow
aluba nmms has 3 runners lol
nobody wants to do badfloat 
twin swallow
How much does 4ms nmms have?
just mayo lol
jaunty anvil
@knotty vigil current patch running is rlly cool , doing the ledge inventory drops isnt actually that hard once u get the hang of it n it's hella rewarding
knotty vigil
steady lynx
I love that mayo's run is slower than just nmg
jaunty anvil
i wouldn’t recommend starting w 112% but do what u wish
steady lynx
Do not underestimate how difficult it is to finish 112 runs
weary root
If 112 is something you want to do I'd definitely recommend starting with All Skills
steady lynx
Oh yeah, All Skills is like 112 lite
true palm
would avoid long categories when you're first starting
twin swallow
it is statistically more probable to finish a 112 run if you start a 112 run though
pick whatever you think is fun and go for it
steady lynx
That's why I never finish any?
knotty vigil
but i mean
i only fully beat the game three times
i should probably get in some more practice
jaunty anvil
maybe try
twin swallow
I beat the game twice before I started speedrunning
jaunty anvil
getting the speedrun achievements
twin swallow
speedrun achievements and p5 were the only ones I had left to do
rugged crow
I love that mayo's run is slower than just nmg
running it on 1118
steady lynx
I kinda forget 1.1 even exists sometimes, in my mind the game went from 1.0 to 1.2 and then 1.4
knotty vigil
weary root
yeah 1.3 is very forgettable
steady lynx
Wth is 1.3?
weary root
1.3 has all of the good 1.2 stuff removed with none of the good stuff from 1.4 
Plus it added hive knight so it loses all possible cred from that
knotty vigil
wdym hive knight is awesome
steady lynx
That's just an all around downgrade
rugged crow
I kinda forget 1.1 even exists sometimes, in my mind the game went from 1.0 to 1...
the only thing difference between it and nmg is the superslide and the crossroads hardfall early control
im tempted to throw together a quick 1028 run
steady lynx
Guess not a lot of stuff that can be optimized in 4ms with that few glitches
AG 16ms would be fun though because you'd end up with like 13 masks
rugged crow
I think cp ag only allows you to go up to 11? I could be wrong though
steady lynx
sad
dry sluice
im tempted to throw together a quick 1028 run
👀
distant dome
I just looked over the cp nmg PowerPoint guide and im confused as to why we save zote
distant dome
I forgot that vk gives a lot of geo
steady lynx
Not a massive amount, but just enough for the route
distant dome
Yeah it said three vs and one nail hit
true palm
its either two or its easier with two
grizzled maple
Not quite. Nail cancel vs's
grizzled maple
What do you need help with
knotty vigil
but when i open hk its still 1.4.3.2
true palm
ye theres more steps
grizzled maple
Did you do the txt document
true palm
yes
knotty vigil
what do i call it
distant dome
I should probably watch a speedrun too
grizzled maple
It says all that in the guide
grizzled maple
Pins
knotty vigil
thx
true palm
I should probably watch a speedrun too
watching a run or a video guide is pretty important to seeing how it all comes together
lucid stirrup
ye definitely watch a run before doing one
true palm
you would need a lot of game experience and speedrunning experience to learn a category from routing notes
distant dome
I don't think there are any video guides on current patch but I can just watch a run
true palm
yup
true palm
I don't think there are any video guides on current patch but I can just watch a...
you can also watch fireb0rns guide, if you understand that there will be a couple of differences
distant dome
Yeah no menu drops
true palm
no insta baldur kill, no lever skips, no hazard warp
distant dome
Hazard warp?
true palm
in queens gardens, we intentionally hit thorns to warp to a different spot
distant dome
Oh yeah I remember seeing that
true palm
since you cant do this, you lose around 6 seconds to just going around
lucid stirrup
yeah i think fire mentions what isn't possible for CP
true palm
in addition watcher knights are no longer bugged and thk is buffed
distant dome
Hollow knight was buffed? Really?
true palm
ye i dont know the numbers
but its a big reason i probably wont run current patch low%
in addition to dark deepnest changes
distant dome
He was one of the easiest bosses for me
steady lynx
He's a bit faster and one attack deals double damage
I believe he still has the same health
true palm
its not enough to make any% that much harder, but low% literally cant double from what i've heard on cp
steady lynx
low% cp is a mistake
weary root
yeah the triple slice and dash attacks have less wind up on cp
distant dome
I'm glad current patch is it's own category
true palm
too bad all the boards aren't separated...
steady lynx
low% doesn't have a cp variant board
Mostly because there's like one run
Two if you count Trombon's
true palm
true ending as well right?
simple night
is there a download to the 1.2.2.1 modding api? the one in the description of fire's video doesn't work anymore
steady lynx
Nobody wants to run cp TE
true palm
is there a download to the 1.2.2.1 modding api? the one in the description of fi...
check resources
lucid stirrup
Nobody wants to run cp TE
distant dome
Hornet doesn't even get to do anything in speedruns
steady lynx
You may think that
true palm
hornet gets to inconveniently break and lose time...
steady lynx
Hornet 2 is the biggest roadblock for new AS runners
distant dome
She staggers almost immediately after getting up
weary root
hornet 2 is definitely the hardest boss in AS
true palm
in any% Hornet 1 can arbitrarily decide not to take doubles which can lose time
distant dome
Hornet 1
steady lynx
For me at least, Hornet 2 is the hardest boss in the game
distant dome
Really what about nkg or pv
steady lynx
NKG is easy
distant dome
Absrad
steady lynx
She's easy
distant dome
🤔
steady lynx
It's just specifically Hornet 2 in main game I struggle with
Could be easy if I took it slow but why would I do that?
distant dome
On a scale of one to ten how bad are primal aspids in speedruns
weary root
Aspids either get run past or die to one great slash, shade soul, nail hit
distant dome
In a normal playthrough I despise them
thorn jasper
if you mess up movement in kingdom's edge they can snipe you. so like 2-3 in that case
in colosseums they get one-shot quickly
distant dome
I didn't know so many attacks one shot them
thorn jasper
- nail 3 + great slash
- shaman stone + shade soul
steady lynx
nail 4 + strength + fury
thorn jasper
- nail 3 + great slash
- shaman stone + shade soul
these are the two you'll see in 1xx colos
weary root
nail 4 + strength vs collector
distant dome
I know almost nothing about this game compared to the people in this discord
distant dome
nail 4 + strength vs collector
I knew that one
steady lynx
nail 3 + strength is enough on even P5 collector
short spire
avian are you sure you wouldn't feel a little more at home in #hk-discussion
thorn jasper
eh they asked about primal aspids in speedruns /shrug
distant dome
I've been there but I was asking questions about running the game because I'm going to try it tomorrow
thorn jasper
oh right, you were gonna try any%. that never even sees a primal aspid
steady lynx
any% kills like three aspids and hits two other ones once each
Normal ones at that
Which are weak
distant dome
I have to run current patch because I dont have a pc copy of hollow knight
steady lynx
Which version are you on?
distant dome
I have voidheart edition
steady lynx
PS4 then
distant dome
Yes
steady lynx
Good luck
tepid schooner
Hello, I have a run submitted and verified and would like the speedrunner role
steady lynx
Link to the run on speedrun dot com?
tepid schooner
old obsidian
damn great run
distant dome
I got hollow knight for free with ps plus because I heard good things about it and I loved it and now I use my ps4 a lot more than usual along with dreams
Congrats
tepid schooner
thank you
distant dome
I should actually buy the game now that it's on sale for 5 dollars
thorn jasper
I'll say preemptively that this is becoming #hk-general #hk-discussion
knotty vigil
hmm
good point
uhh can someone help me with
my framerate
for 1.2.2.1
its like 5fps
thorn jasper
bad computer? 1.2.2.1 is not very performant
limpid ruin
Yea that's unfortunately the reason then
knotty vigil
it freezes every few minutes
limpid ruin
You can't on 1221 with that performance no
Current patch runs are a completely viable option though, if you want to run with a less good pc
knotty vigil
Anyone have tips for the vengefly pogo into goam mask shard? i cant do it lol
thorn jasper
are you having trouble pogoing the goams themselves?
knotty vigil
getting the vengefly to the area where you pogo on it
it just suicides into the goams
everytime
thorn jasper
keep it higher by pogoing the goams
it also helps if you learn the cycle of the goams so that you can plan around their actions
here you can see my getting the vengefly to the place, and then messing up pogoing it 
thorn jasper
it's tricky yeah
thorn jasper
👀 ?
stiff delta
Route in monarch wings 
true palm
if you already have the copy of 1221 somewhere else you can remove it if needed
i keep it backed up so I never have to downpatch again
if hypothetically, you were to mess up debug mod, or in someway ruin your game files, you'd have to downpatch again
twin swallow
it just suicides into the goams
you want to catch the vengefly's attention and immediately jump up to pogo the first goam (the one on the right) 3 times, then do 3 more pogos on the middle, and 2 on the last one (on the left). if you can stay off the ground the whole time, the fly shouldn't go low enough to get killed
the cycle you enter the room on is very important. if you take too long to get past the goams, the vengefly can drift too far from its spawn position and make luring it much harder
the jump slaurent's video demonstrates at 5:03 to land on the small middle ledge will help you get there as fast as possible
main bear
Ismas route
true palm
even if it were viable, never would be ran, abyss shriek TE was 1% of the cursed level of ismas route, was originally deemed to most likely be faster, and was only ran by MonStahLer because Vysuals and Skurry determined it to be too horrible to run
grizzled maple
It wasnt just all them. It was truly horrible
Myself and alexxa both ran it and just... stopped lol
Lost kin and no eyes with only vs and wraiths
true palm
i heard it was the worst
grizzled maple
Oh and h2
main bear
It just seems too hard lol
grizzled maple
She can be stun locked kinda tho
weary root
wraiths h2 peepoArrive
main bear
That one skip makes watcher knights look like child’s play
exotic thunder
i want to see someone do ismas route though lol
grizzled maple
@ insomnia
exotic thunder
i would do it as a meme if my hands worked someone fulfill my dream
main bear
It would be cool tho, to have some obscure route that’s faster, but really really freaking hard. Similar to how pipe clip in Mario bros wasn’t used till nothing else could be optimized
true palm
there already is that, homothety was talking about overcharmed soulcatcher route
exotic thunder
or at least get some routers to properly time things :)
i feel like the wings detour would be longer than peaks/lantern tbh
grizzled maple
Homothety has two loves. Dark deepnest and overcharm.
main bear
So much geo needed for lantern
true palm
especially with pogaxe, god cycle, and all the optimizations peak is fast
dry sluice
it is unfortunate ismas route is slower, would be neat
it was already questionable but 2 cycle killed it
main bear
Just something new I suppose
exotic thunder
geo for nail upgrade, basin to broken vessel, fight, wings, leave basin
i guess your last bench could be in city but still
wait nvm shade
grizzled maple
There was that two week period where overcharm twister was faster for all skills then monstah came in with the oob 1 cycle
That was homothetys idea too
exotic thunder
you have to climb out of basin thats so slow
grizzled maple
Thats what rando is for
main bear
I’m not patient enough for speed running
Although it’s a lot of fun to discuss new strategies
exotic thunder
would ismas route be: normal route to city, bench at spire, nail upgrade, wk, basin, wings, ismas, then uumuu to herrah?
grizzled maple
Being someone who likes routing and testing is just as valid as doing runs just for the record.
dry sluice
if you're bored of an unchanging route simply run nmms, the order you get the first 3 items has changed like 4 times
grizzled maple
Theres people in communities all over who do just those things
dry sluice
and continues to be in question
jaunty anvil
ppl who route r gems
harsh mason
but what if you get fury too 😤
main bear
What’s nmms
old obsidian
honestly I have much more respect for people who route because they take time to help others more or less
dry sluice
no main menu storage
main bear
O
harsh mason
nail 1 + fury, ismas route 
grizzled maple
Routing is really hard and its why my times are lacking. I put a lot of work into a lot of games in the background
Its impossible to do both
jaunty anvil
if only hollow knight wasnt annoying 2 TAS
main bear
Ughhhhh
harsh mason
similar to what i did in dg route the game in a week then never play it again
grizzled maple
Its on the cusp of possible right now
main bear
Really??
old obsidian
how did they do the pop tas?
grizzled maple
We have one for PoP and PoH
harsh mason
it works for single rooms
old obsidian
aaaaaa
true palm
theyres a limited amount of rng manip they can do
harsh mason
it just desyncs if you quit or pause, or do anything really
main bear
Isn’t dash distance randomized though?
grizzled maple
Its just doing the whole game is kind of impossible right now
Its not random, fps
harsh mason
dash distance is randomized because frame durations are
main bear
Ah
harsh mason
tas fixes frame durations so it fixed
main bear
What frame rate did you settle on
harsh mason
doesnt matter as long as its consistent
true palm
most people settle on 250-300
main bear
Ok
harsh mason
technically fastest for a tas would probably be 1-3 fps
main bear
Sheesh
true palm
lower fps = jank stuff
main bear
Speedy 🥶
harsh mason
otherwise any multiple of 50 is identical
main bear
Are the PoP tas uploaded
main bear
Thanks
old obsidian
It's my baby
harsh mason
i told simo and graig to fix the nail turnaround bug
true palm
how far off it are you now schy?
harsh mason
so hopefully tc sees it, and you dont need a tas any more 
old obsidian
9 sec
jaunty anvil
what's the nail turn bug if u dont mind me asking ?
old obsidian
5 sec bc of 2nd room strats that are yet to be proven possible
harsh mason
nail attacks are based off direction and not button presses
old obsidian
which im trying to prove rn
true palm
ye i saw you posting a couple videos about them
harsh mason
so to do a 1f turnaround you have to do
hold left, release left press right, release right, hold left and attack
to attack to the right
jaunty anvil
just sorta how the game works
harsh mason
i mean cyclone not working is also sorta just how the game works doesn't mean it should be
jaunty anvil
yeah tru
harsh mason
its also not how the game works, its just how nail swings and spells work
true palm
i remember when somebody posted the KP TAS and ax2u just casually sat his pb kings pass next to it
harsh mason
and only horizontal nail swings
jaunty anvil
.....yeah ok
harsh mason
dashing and up/down swings take your current input, not direction
old obsidian
i remember when somebody posted the KP TAS and ax2u just casually sat his pb kin...
problem bout pop being is that the tas still uses a lot of non rta viable strats
main bear
how far off it are you now schy?
From what?
jaunty anvil
i understand why thatd b annoying
true palm
From what?
schy is the gamer who grinds POP in order to beat the machine
main bear
Do entities have rng? Like if set up 2 exact clone copy rooms, can the enemies do different attacks
old obsidian
i'll try to be a better human then 
true palm
That’s dumb
even enemy spawn positions have rng, they wander to different places
main bear
Right I mean if they spawn in the same place
true palm
Right I mean if they spawn in the same place
no they start in different places too
main bear
Wat
true palm
i can literally lose 2 seconds in my first split based on how husks spawn
main bear
I know I know
true palm
they can spawn on the left or right of certain pits
main bear
Okay look
true palm
but they can spawn different distances
main bear
Let’s say you have two exactly identical rooms, with the exact same spawn positions
harsh mason
its rng
true palm
you wouldnt be able to
harsh mason
they do different things
main bear
Will the enemies have different patterns
true palm
yes
main bear
Lame
harsh mason
if they were two same rooms, with the same positions and you did the same inputs
you would get random outputs
devout wing
does lever skip work on cp?
main bear
So hollow knight will never be tasable
true palm
does lever skip work on cp?
the city of tears does not work
harsh mason
as their fix was just to make levers not work if you're in the air
i mean the tas tools they use seeds rng
but afaik loading and different computers tends to not play well
true palm
making a full game tas is usually a multiperson project
main bear
Uh you’re getting a little too complex for my smol brain
harsh mason
unless its celeste and you're me 1 week before agdq deadline
main bear
Uh oh
true palm
its hard to collaborate and replicate a TAS of hollow knight because it literally just runs differently on different computers
main bear
That sucks
old obsidian
unless its celeste and you're me 1 week before agdq deadline
you did a celeste tas? 
true palm
like Vysuals talks about a white palace cycle that he cant make on his computer that Skurry could in the True ending guide
old obsidian
old patches being load dependant is something
harsh mason
old obsidian
beautiful
harsh mason
KDT is me
formal bough
frosaken city lfg
harsh mason
so its like 19000frames out of 30000,
devil only did summit because he got an early access exe that fixed a bug,
and i had to stop tasing because reflection took like 2 days straight to tas due to a bug
oh wait thats not a running counter
its actually 80000 out of 113000 frames 
but yeah this was the first celeste tas done, and pretty much every main game tas since, exists because of it
and despite it being around 80% my work its not on my yt nor do i get credit for it 🙂
harsh mason
atleast i have this in celeste
normal aspen
Timesink
normal aspen
i want to see someone do ismas route though lol
I did an untimed run of it that was hot garbage lol but I haven't times anything
true palm
so people make it themselves usually
silver snow
oh rlly? I thought they had something set up with the timer to not counter loading zones and stuff?
count*
true palm
not really