cool
#speedrunning
true palm
indeed, i was looking into if there was a way to make it work with wine
wise wolf
r u on mac?
true palm
no im not
jaunty anvil
just choked potential sub 40 pace by dying twice in beasts den n loosing al my geo 
true palm
oh you mean win
no wine is a program for mac that would allow you to run windows programs
jaunty anvil
i was like 36 mins when i died the 1st time
wise wolf
OH
jaunty anvil
thankyou quelu
wise wolf
np
wise wolf
no wine is a program for mac that would allow you to run windows programs
so like bootcamp
true palm
ye
wise wolf
ah i see
true palm
bootcamp might also make it work
wise wolf
ye but it takes up so much storage lmao
im probably getting a pc at some point
soooo ill just wait till then
true palm
in the meantime you can learn current patch strategies
wise wolf
exactly š
true palm
also theres timers other than livesplit you can use, they wont remove loads but they'll time
and all the runs have loadless times posted as well so you can compare to those
wise wolf
ye
true palm
anyways sorry about the misinformation, and inconvenience, and good luck with current patch! 
urban dove
@wise wolf sry for the pin, but if you want to try to practice in a previous patch on mac you can downpatch the game in GOG, (I am a max user so I sympathize with you dearly) Iām 90% sure that you can upload your steam library onto GOG, and I have a āwalkthroughā for how to install debug mod on GOG through Mac if you want me to send it to you
true palm
you cannot
you'd have to buy the game
you can launch the game from gog but cannot downpatch it
wise wolf
oh lol
urban dove
Oh, nvm then sorry about that misinformationš
wise wolf
np
wise wolf
anyways sorry about the misinformation, and inconvenience, and good luck with cu...
yes ty!
wise wolf
<@325294059537170432> sry for the pin, but if you want to try to practice in a p...
can i still use debug mod on mac?
true palm
keep in mind none of this would be a problem if a) steam wasnt dumb and removed downpatching and b) mac wasnt dumb and impossible to develop for
wise wolf
through steam
wise wolf
keep in mind none of this would be a problem if a) steam wasnt dumb and removed ...
lmao facts
true palm
i'd ask #archived-modding-help about that, idk if its supported
wise wolf
ok cool
true palm
my current inclination is no
wise wolf
man...
true palm
but they'd be more informed about that
wise wolf
ye probably
ionic cargo
i just realised that there are no cp all glitches runs 
true palm
have you checked aluba%?
true palm
you should also check out elderbug%
normal aspen
or True Ending
true palm
ah but aluba and elderbug are the real categories for all glitches
limpid ruin
Even krythom came for some cp te all glitches runs tbf
ionic cargo
tbh those mostly just utilise mms
true palm
because thats the most major glitch on current patch
ionic cargo
agreed
limpid ruin
I mean if you haven't seen her or under's cp te ag runs I'd highly recommend that before brushing them off as just mms
Even if that's what makes them possible etc
true palm
ye im watching a run right now
didnt realize you could do the inventory in transitions on current patch
normal aspen
meme cats kinda devolve into that just coz they r so short setting up noclip is slower
its a bench storage thing
cant normally
dry sluice
tbh those mostly just utilise mms
I mean yeah they're AG runs, if you want a run not to be based around mms look at an nmms run
ah sorry didn't mean to ping
ionic cargo
im on console meaning it has to be cp and nmms, also np about the ping
dry sluice
ah
if you're on console I would suggest not being on console š„“
at least if you want to do glitched runs
ionic cargo
if you're on console I would suggest not being on console š„“
lmao, tbh I'd agree with that myself, but I have a bad pc so hk wouldnt be able to run on it
grizzled maple
Isnt mms not possible on console since it requires mouse cursor?
ionic cargo
yes, you cannot do it
steady lynx
Dad showed me dupe menu once but you can't get further than that
grizzled maple
I dont run glitches but I was here the day it was found on cp and tried switch lol
ionic cargo
dupe menu is possible but I dont think you can go further than that
grizzled maple
Maybe if there were a way to use mouse on console. You can use kb tho š„“
steady lynx
I tried mouse on PS4 and the game didn't recognize it
dry sluice
yeah pretty sure console version just doesn't have cursor
regardless of if you attach a mouse
hallow grove
verbal junco
would it be faster to do waterways route for any% steel soul?
digital jewel
no it wouldn't. you need city crest and a simple key to do that
verbal junco
true
digital jewel
and you'd still need to go to deepnest anyway later
verbal junco
yeah i forgot about the city crest part 
key is a pretty easy detour, theres one in cross, right?
digital jewel
no there isn't
verbal junco
oh
digital jewel
there's sly's key for 950
verbal junco
digital jewel
the most reasonable one is the one below city storerooms stag
errant light
Hi, I'm running into an issue after downpatching where when I go to make a new save it shows the first bit of text and then I just get a black screen and no save file is created when I relaunch. I tried deleting the registry folder but it didn't change anything. Any ideas on how to fix?
haughty fossil
possible the download didn't finish?
errant light
Oh i just checked the depot folder and theres more stuff in there, you're probably right
hallow grove
was wondering if I could get Speedrunner role?
stiff delta
Do you have a verified run on speedrun.com
formal bough
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/zx6q978z
yes scroll up
digital jewel
they didn't ask for the role
limpid ruin
Wow not reading the intentions I thought you were a mind reader
haughty fossil
xero has one flaw and that is that he didn't want to accidentally give someone a pingable role that they didn't ask for
broken sun
Hey Xero, speaking of roles, can I get a blue name?
meager current
Do you have a run on src
meager current
verbal junco
welcome to blueu land where everything is blue and we post stuff like "uumuu is a terrible boss" when 90% of the community thinks its easy
they will never understand our pain 
verbal junco
xero has one flaw and that is that he didn't want to accidentally give someone a...
wait speedrunner is a pingable role?
digital jewel
not usually no
formal bough
don't say that here we don't want the trolls to know
wait it just vanished it seemed like it was possible
digital jewel
š„“
haughty fossil
it was recently, then they realised and took our powers away 
can still be pinged by light blues
digital jewel
no discord actually doesn't have any options besides whether a role is pingable by everyone or no-one
when we need to ping it we have to change the role settings to be pingable
haughty fossil
wait what š„“
mild moon
src mods frequently forget to turn it off though, so you might see days after an #srcom-discussion that it's still available 
steady lynx
As long as trolls don't realise and decide it'll be funny to spam it
ionic cargo
when we need to ping it we have to change the role settings to be pingable
really? lmao š„“
quiet saddle
Just asking again cuz I'm not sure if maybe someone responded and it got lost in the message flow: Does anyone have route notes for any% nmg? Mostly thinking geo/soul notes for appropriate checkpoints, like 220 for Salubra or 1225 after Lurien
I remember @thorn jasper was looking for a paste bin; any luck? š
thorn jasper
I remember <@!422061714687787020> was looking for a paste bin; any luck? š
no luck
haughty fossil
slaurent 
quiet saddle
Yea, I watched all the vids, I was hoping there was a more compiled text source
If not though, I'll likely make a paste bin for it; I already have some of them noted down
thorn jasper
slaurent <:monkaS:457354148288004096>
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU BIND FOCUS TO CAPS LOCK
limpid ruin
This is some notes for general any% atm, not super detailed necessarily, but better than nothing
#any-percent-nmg message
haughty fossil
in terms of geo, off the top of my head the 1221 geo for any% is 206 before xroads stag and 2322 before king's stag. other spots really don't matter since you're not supposed to farm geo there anyway
limpid ruin
206 after gruz mum before cleanup maybe
Basically just the two Baldurs, the moss knight, vengefly King, and some rng geo here and there gets you there
You want 220 for shaman stone, that's all you need for early game
limpid ruin
Then the middle room above King's Station + relic thingy, relic above King's Station, ghusk, wk chest + relic, and whichever city husks you find comfortable
ionic cargo
dont you get the bottom row of enimies just above kings station
limpid ruin
The mantis geo counts under rng
haughty fossil
no zenith that's in all skills
though i know some people to do it anyway because getting through w/ bad rng sucks, and it means no farming later
ionic cargo
ok, I'm forgetting myself š„“
limpid ruin
With good rng the bottom row there is one of the fastest geo sources in city I believe
But the rng is just too annoying to bank on that for most runners
gloomy bane
how i do the fireball skips?
meager current
jump off place at peak off jump turn around fireball and time
another fireball to get there
gloomy bane
jump off place at peak off jump turn around fireball and time
yeah im doing that and it dont work xd
steady lynx
Since homoball is named after Homothety, is fireball named after Fireb0rn?
meager current
why did i split that sentence in 2
meager current
Since homoball is named after Homothety, is fireball named after Fireb0rn?
homophety fireball 
ionic cargo
Since homoball is named after Homothety, is fireball named after Fireb0rn?
yes, just like pogax is named after ax
rotund jackal
how i do the fireball skips?
Make sure you're using the quick cast button as opposed to the focus button
steady lynx
And Blue Lake is named after Blue
gloomy bane
Make sure you're using the quick cast button as opposed to the focus button
im using it
rotund jackal
Then idk
gloomy bane
i cant find what im doing wrong like i saw videos and im try to doing the same and i just cant
true palm
welp heres another video where i explain everything about fireball skips https://streamable.com/2k4uyf
i cover coyote frames
and other cool things
last inlet
And Blue Lake is named after Blue
remember xero is named after xero
shut beacon
which fireball skip saves the most time ?
meager current
slothy is named after sloth plush slothy
true palm
the hornet one saves the most time in any%
meager current
which fireball skip saves the most time ?
most likely single fireball
ionic cargo
Zenith is not named after terraria
shut beacon
most likely single fireball
no i mean the first , the one in the video or the last one
meager current
most likely single fireball
forget this i misread the question
shut beacon
oh ok
bronze anchor
Of the 3 greenpath ones, video one prob saves the most time, last one has a backup that's pretty quick
meager current
the backup being the mosscreep slash or the man pogo?
bronze anchor
I was referring to the pogo not the swag strat lol
haughty fossil
welp heres another video where i explain everything about fireball skips https:/...
modcommon failed to load 
gloomy bane
for doing the 2 fireballs its better spam it or try to time it?
true palm
i think i have a bunch of stuff messed up on my modded version
haughty fossil
time it
shut beacon
the backup being the mosscreep slash or the man pogo?
r these easier?
haughty fossil
if you're on pc give yourself infinite soul with debug and try to hover in the air w/ fireballs
shut beacon
na im console ):
gloomy bane
if you're on pc give yourself infinite soul with debug and try to hover in the a...
yeah im doing that
bronze anchor
Timing inputs seems usually better in this game in general, that said I think I rhythmically mash my fireball skips atm and it works fine. Don't just hard mash though
haughty fossil
trusting the game's input buffers is always a mistake tbf
true palm
as a runner of Fireball Skips: The Category, clean turnarounds immediately after the apex of your jump is the key to skips
true palm
yeah im doing that
if you still havent landed it, you can slow down the game speed and try to get it once just to see how it works\
gloomy bane
how i slow down the game?
true palm
you need to set some key binds for it but its on the first page
the default buttons are + and - iirc
dont practice it slowed down just try to land it once or twice
gloomy bane
now i feel the game so fast haha
i think my problem its that i start the fireballs too early
true palm
probably, you want to fireball a little after the apex of your jump
fervent burrow
Quick question. Which file I have to copy as backups of my old saves from CP. I downpatched the games and the saves are shared.
haughty fossil
?saves
sick ravenBOT
Saves
Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)
Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\``` ** ** Mac File Paths: ```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/ Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/``` ** ** Linux File Paths: ```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/ Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```
haughty fossil
Save Files, user1.dat corresponds to 1st save file, user2.dat to 2nd etc
fervent burrow
so only user1.dat and not the others
haughty fossil
if you only want the 1st save file then yeah
true palm
ye you can ignore the other files
fervent burrow
aye, tysm š
true palm
are you on keyboard or controller
meager current
you get use to it
gloomy bane
keyboard
true palm
if you install that thingy jamie has linked
you can override directions with each other
allowing you to have instant turnarounds
gloomy bane
but thats legal?
gloomy bane
lol
gloomy bane
but how it works?
true palm
so lets say you're holding right, if you tap left it will quickly turn you around
while still holding right
true palm
that way you wont have to let go of right, its significantly easier
to the point where i think a large portion of the keyboard player base would be unable to get out of greenpath for a while if it were banned
gloomy bane
haha
last inlet
i learnt them without it so i can do them
i'd imagine a lot of people who learnt the fireball skips without having to release right would struggle
true palm
i think people could learn it given enough time but it'd definitely be a change
gloomy bane
how i install the thing for the skip?
gloomy bane
ok now i feel really strange doing that way
yeah definitly its more easy
ok now im doing it like 70% of the times lol its op
true palm
glad to hear its working
gloomy bane
thx for the help
kind sorrel
what are the three buttons that you mash for dialogue?
thorn jasper
jump attack focus
meager current
i only use attack and jump š„“
gloomy bane
using two or three buttons help to be faster?
kind sorrel
ty
hearty adder
Personally I just go ham on the jump button using cookieclicker strats 
haughty fossil
any only using A and RT to advance dialogue probably leading to RSI in the very near future
meager current
my friend got RSI from playing Osu! too well
hearty adder
the trick is already having an RSI
hearty adder
All my runs are recorded with me having a huge ice pack on my arm/s
Mash your way to victory but also take care of yourself
thorn jasper
in-game timer can do that sometimes. it's a known bug
olive yoke
no ty
stiff delta
oh well this channel is for speedrunning
stiff delta
i guess?
stiff delta
cool
olive yoke
yee yee
heavy perch
Hi, I would like speedrun HK on Mac. What can I use knowing Livsplit doesn't work on Mac?
Thanks in advance.
leaden python
you can use livesplit one (https://one.livesplit.org/) and time RTA
you couldn't compete with loadless times but it's good enough to get you started and then you can decide if you want to invest in windows setup for speedruns
I know livesplit folks are working on making autosplitters work with livesplitone, but they haven't figured that yet
heavy perch
@leaden python thanks, I will inquire about Time RTA
leaden python
Yeah rta means timing in real time including all loads.
haughty fossil
technically you don't need a timer to time in real time, but it is greatly preferred for us so we don't need to do it ourselves
true palm
also if you time in real time you can compare to yourself and see improvement
haughty fossil
here are RTA timing guidelines if you are not using the autosplitter, taken from console rules
heavy perch
ok, i ll see how it works. thanks
thorny hornet
Anyone have tips on the acid skip (I think that's what it's called) to get into fog canyon? I'm not sure when to start the c-dash
haughty fossil
walk off the tiny platform above the acid and press cdash when you hit the wall
i've seen a lot of people try to do it like QGA, and not only is that strat slower but it's also a fair bit more complex in terms of number of inputs
thorny hornet
Okay, thanks!
rapid python
I would love to speedrun race someone 
dull lion
Have you done a speedrun before? It would probably be a good idea to at least complete a few runs before you start racing so you donāt get death looped mid race or something
thorn jasper
also, it's a lot more fun when you and your opponent are running the same route. that gives you a better mid-race gauge of how ahead or behind you are
true palm
I would love to speedrun race someone <:popseeker:663988996648730634>
if you learn low% I'd be happy to race you 
hallow orchid
low% races 
last inlet
112% races
but it's 2 people who have never run it before and they dont have any notes
hallow orchid
if it's splits but not notes I'd watch that
serene coral
@thorn jasper did you figure out the "NumPadForSaveStates" thing? i don't see it in the debug json either
thorn jasper
I gave up. But I think you want to add it to the list of variables
If I had to guess
"BoolValues": {
"keys": [
"FirstRun",
"TopMenuVisible",
"InfoPanelVisible",
"EnemiesPanelVisible",
"ConsoleVisible",
"HelpPanelVisible",
"SaveStatePanelVisible",
"MinInfoPanelVisible",
"NumPadForSaveStates"
],
"values": [
0,
0,
0,
0,
0,
0,
0,
0,
1
]
},
imagine they get to a split name that doesn't include 1 specifc thing they need to do and then have to backtrack halfway across the map later
limpid ruin
If I had to guess
```json
"BoolValues": {
"keys": [
"Fir...
This should be how to do it, yee
serene coral
didn't work for me! i got "failed to load" in the upper left after launching like that
ionic sparrow
you shouldnāt need to manually add it
Itās in a file already if you start up he game with the updated debug mod
serene coral
specifically
serene coral
Itās in a file already if you start up he game with the updated debug mod
could you link that? i guess i found an old link pinned
ionic sparrow
Itās in resources
serene coral
yea, that's where i found the link i used
ionic sparrow
Do you have the regular api or the api that distinguishes between 1221 and cp mods
If itās the regular api itās in the DebugMod.GlobalSettings file
serene coral
1.2.2.1-41 according to upper left
ionic sparrow
Otherwise, itās in DebugMod.GlobalSettings-1.2.2.1
That doesnāt help me I donāt know the version numbers of the api by heart
Look for DebugMod.GlobalSettings-1.2.2.1
serene coral
that's where i'm looking
these values aren't in DebugMod.GlobalSettings or DebugMod.GlobalSettings-1.2.2.1 for me
thorn jasper
launch the game with the new stuff first, then close the game
it should initialize all that
serene coral
guide did say to do that so i did
https://github.com/cerpintext/DebugMod/blob/1.2.2.1/README.md#savestates is there some newer guide i should be using?
thorn jasper
what's your debugmod version? Mine is 1.4.0
serene coral
1.3.3
thorn jasper
serene coral
ty
now on 1.4.0, but DebugMod.GlobalSettings and DebugMod.GlobalSettings-1.2.2.1 still don't contain a "NumPadForSaveStates" value
and adding it manually still gives "failed to load"
thorn jasper
does everything work correctly before you edit the file?
thorn jasper
...no I didn't try it
serene coral
ah
thorn jasper
and adding it manually still gives "failed to load"
what does ModLog.txt say? if there's anything about JSON then you probably edited the file to be invalid json (e.g. missed a comma or added an extra comma)
serene coral
hm, i'll try it again
i think having already installed the old debugmod on this install of the game probably messed with it. i'll get a clean install and start over
serene coral
uh geez i'd appreciate help from anyone who got this working
limpid ruin
now on 1.4.0, but DebugMod.GlobalSettings and DebugMod.GlobalSettings-1.2.2.1 st...
upload your settings file?
serene coral
you mean the DebugMod.GlobalSettings-1.2.2.1.json?
limpid ruin
probably missed a single character yea, but thats an easy-ish fix
yea if you have the newest modding api, that one :3
thorn jasper
looks like valid json
serene coral
savestates are in Savestates-1221, which is in the same folder as the json
limpid ruin
hmm. Please share your modlog as well? 
gloomy bane
where i took the geo for unlocking the stag station in forgotten crossroads? any% nmg
serene coral
sure
limpid ruin
bc its should contain some other things but seems to have died before reaching that
serene coral
true palm
where i took the geo for unlocking the stag station in forgotten crossroads? any...
after killing vengefly king you should have enough to buy it
limpid ruin
why am i bad at error handling 
gloomy bane
but i need another 220 geo for shaman right? like what its the best geo route
true palm
if you kill vengefly king, the first moss knight, and gruz mother, you should have enough geo
gloomy bane
there are a lot of guides on the any% route
ok gonna check
gloomy bane
if you kill vengefly king, the first moss knight, and gruz mother, you should ha...
its that enough?
limpid ruin
here, try this one @serene coral 
true palm
yes, but recommend you check out fireb0rns guide for any% 1.2.2.1
gloomy bane
okay
serene coral
here, try this one <@!186717401109233664> <:ax2uHmm:716028552868266084>
thanks! let me try it
limpid ruin
if it still doesnt work after that i recommend just deleting the file and letting it try to make it again, going into a savegame and then after that trying to edit the setting 
serene coral
after deleting the file and launching again, i see this in game!
but it doesn't look like a new json has been made at all š
long sky
Does anyone have suggestions for becoming more consistent at e pogo current patch?
grizzled maple
search resources for the 60 fps tutorial. note: your monitor refresh rate needs to be 60
if you've seen that video and need more help, record yourself doing it and i can give more detailed advice
verbal junco
aaaa
long sky
Well I watched your vid on it and I struggle to get in the right spot next to the mushrooms
grizzled maple
its not too precise honestly
just hold left against the wall then a little more and let yourself drop.
that's not usually the part youre messing up honestly
the key things to note are
-the timing itself of the jump. aim to hit the pogo as it begins wobbling
-do not touch a direction until the damage takes place. its very important that the initial pogo is a neutral down direction.
-mash dash left out of it and you should be fine
haughty fossil
visual cue I find very helpful because timing stuff is literally impossible
I'm relatively far right in the ground here, you can be almost an eyes width further left and probably still be fine
grizzled maple
in my experience, too far right is the nail overlapping the mushroom. you can even be a little more left than jamie's picture
that aspect is super lenient
limpid ruin
after deleting the file and launching again, i see this in game!
i think it only makes the settings file on turning off the game
but thats progress š
serene coral
@limpid ruin okay i put the json you linked back in and now i see all 10 slots in-game! i think it's working?
limpid ruin
yooo lfg 
serene coral
but uhh which bind do i use to activate whatever i loaded with the numpad?
limpid ruin
uuh, you set that in your binds menu, so f1 for all debug panels UI
serene coral
"quickslot load" and "load new state from file" both seem to do nothing
limpid ruin
serene coral
yea i just want to know which thing i need to set
thorn jasper
press the numpad number after one of those?
limpid ruin
load new state from file should work by simply pressing the bind, then the numpad number afterwards like slaur snailed said
serene coral
ahhhh thank you. okay this wild journey is at its end
thank you so much for your patience
time to fail epogo again like i'm supposed to be doing
limpid ruin
thank you for having the patience to wait for answers, sorry about the not perfect naming. Names are hard š„“
long sky
I feel that I'm kinda behind the curve sice I can only play console
Is there a way to set up livesplit on like my phone so I know how fast I'm going?
Yeah my pc is slow as all get out it takes 5 min to start a browser
I'll look up for the phone see if I can do anything
limpid ruin
i think livesplit one can be used on phone if you google it, not sure tho
haughty fossil
<@&283547423706447872>
whole meadow
aight
haughty fossil
thanks 
whole meadow
š«
normal aspen
pine phoenix
lmao
tulip gate
First attempt at the 5 hour achievement. Iām at 1:30, just got to Part 7 of this guide
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602
Think I can manage to finish in 3.5 hours?
grizzled maple
Good luck but also
sick ravenBOT
Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602
limpid ruin
^ that, and even if it doesn't work out first try, there's always more chances. It's not speedrunning if you don't throw 99% of your runs š¤
tulip gate
Iām actually having more fun than I thought. I might practice and like actually try to do a proper speed run
Does switching to Chinese actually make a difference?? Iāve never heard of that before
grizzled maple
Chinese scrolls faster and has less characters than English. Its pretty significant for categories that talk to npcs often
Even the Japanese and Korean scroll significantly faster. Something about how the game handles languages.
tulip gate
Ohh is that how I saw a speed runner basically skipping text entirely? That makes sense
grizzled maple
Yep. There if it was a modded game though there is instant text as a quality of life change.
tulip gate
I think it was in a fireb0rn run. There were so many neat little techs I had never thought of. Like skipping a huge chunk of greenpath just by jumping to the first Hornet sighting with Vengeful
And dying to use your Shade to pogo to the area above Salubra
low bramble
and you haven't even heard about underplat
tulip gate
and you haven't even heard about underplat
Whatās that
stiff delta
the guy who did that is sick
low bramble
yea i wish i could have his autograph
stiff delta
Aerto are you a big fan of twitch prime
tulip gate
It doesnāt look like it saves that much time?
hearty adder
Style is essential to speedruns
what is the point if you don't look cool while doing it
tulip gate
I feel like cool is relative when youāre trying to play a game about bugs really quickly
š
||pls no ban Iām only kidding||
low bramble
@ mods they're doubting our coolness
little kelp
Fireball skips are impossible on consul
grizzled maple
Everything is impossible on console 
normal aspen
Are you using quick cast?
little kelp
Are you using quick cast?
What is that?
grizzled maple
Right bumper by default
It fires on press instead of release. Make a mental note that the heal button is a dedicated heal button
little kelp
Are you using quick cast?
So no
grizzled maple
They are much harder though because of the input delay
They aren't possible without quick cast btw
little kelp
Still
short spire
have you actually looked at a guide
little kelp
For the green pass skip for example I just always get a squib to do it
grizzled maple
Thats fine honestly
It only loses roughly 10 seconds. So if youre new go for squit
But also use quick cast permanently for spells
little kelp
It only loses roughly 10 seconds. So if youre new go for squit
Iām just going for 1 hour so yeah Iām good on time
thorny hornet
Should I do the QGA trick on my first run? I find it quite difficult
thorny hornet
Is the other path deepnest?
thorny hornet
That's true
true palm
in addition you still go through some deepnest after queens gardens anyway
most of the time loss is from back tracking through fungal wastes to get to deepnest
thorny hornet
Ok, I'll go for deepnest instead of QGA on my first run š
true palm
you can still get a very respectable time with deepnest, and the deepnest routes more forgiving since you dont have to hazard warp
with queens gardens you take one damage no matter what, and then you still have to double damage tank devouts, meaning you can only get hit a single time between uumuu and herrah
with deepnest route you have the extra leniency
true palm
no problem
i dont think queens gardens is worth learning unless you want to grind any% out
thorny hornet
Okay!
hazy birch
hi, can i get a blue name please? also did i mess something up in the submission that it shows up in the main AS list instead of current patch NMG? https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/y8vwkxdz
dammit i just realized what i did :/ didn't select the right dropdown
hazy birch
thank you!
dry sluice
no worries
gloomy bane
its a problem if i submit a run with a video with sound in background but still with hk sound activated?
stiff delta
I think so as long as you can still hear HK, lots of people play different music over their gameplay
just dont get copyright claimed
gloomy bane
but if the video/music its clearly more loud than hk but u can still hearing it u can anyway?
knotty vigil
i've heard a lot of speedrunners talk about uumuu cycle, what is that exactly, can someone please explain it to me ? because i heard that it can ruins your run
dry sluice
a cycle of uumuu is each phase where it closes up and then opens for damage, all categories will have a smallest possible number of cycles it can kill uumuu in. Any% needs 2 cycles, AS can do it in just one, etc. Failing to get the optimal kill on uumuu means waiting through a whole new cycle before if becomes vulnerable again so you can kill it so you lose like 20s
uumuu can also give "extra" attacks where it does more than the average number of attacks in a cycle and you lose time to that as well as it possibly messing up your setup for your normal damage rotation
knotty vigil
well in that case imma blame quirrel for that :p also is there a guide on how to kill uumuu fast ? i wanna practice that, like some tips or tricks
twin swallow
but if the video/music its clearly more loud than hk but u can still hearing it ...
as long as the game audio is actually audible it should be fine, but please try not to destroy moderators' ears with very loud music, discord calls, etc.
gloomy bane
as long as the game audio is actually audible it _should_ be fine, but please tr...
that makes sense
fair island
you can use another device to watch the video
gloomy bane
btw why the sound rule is there?
true palm
because volunteers watch your runs, and not only do they have other things they could be doing, but also they'd rather not have ear trauma from verifying runs
gloomy bane
because volunteers watch your runs, and not only do they have other things they ...
haha i mean why i have to run with sound activated instead of just sumitting a muted video
gloomy bane
ohh i understand
true palm
most games require game music too, so lets be thankful we dont have to deal with that
gloomy bane
most games require game music too, so lets be thankful we dont have to deal with...
uhg that would be painful
fallen forum
is it normal for 1221 to run just slightly worse than current patch? its not really an issue cause the game responds just fine, but I can very slightly feel it cause of having a high refresh rate I think and it annoys me a little at the start of every run lol
its not gonna kill me if thats just the way it is, but i thought id check just in case i somehow fucked something up a lil
true palm
yes
1221 is less optimized
i'd cap your frame rate
helps because everythings less optimized
in particular you'll notice lag when you break walls
fallen forum
is that supposed to be in video settings? cause i dont see an option for it
true palm
to cap your frame rate, I'd recommend either your graphics card settings or you can use rivatuner
fallen forum
o aight
true palm
cap it to 250 or 300 if possible
fallen forum
hm alright
true palm
i'd also look into showing your frame rate, you can use your graphics card or steam or something like that
if your framerate is above 300, you'll get hit by some baldurs in mound
fallen forum
i did do that, and it was like, less than 120? but now my computer seems to think i dont have a graphics card so this may be an issue beyond the game actually lmao
but yeah thanks for the help, i may have some other issues i wasnt aware of tho
true palm
ye that might be an issue
but good luck with fixing it, and if for some reason you can't current patch runs are still pretty cool
fallen forum
o7
yea ive done some current patch any% which is fun, but ive been trying to learn true ending and i thought i might as well get around to downpatching
true palm
i dont think theres any category that is significantly worse on current patch, i think true endings pretty tame in that regard
true palm
like your obviously going slower
and im pretty sure true ending still has shared boards
but they've discussed separating them for a bit now
fallen forum
also, can whoever happens to have the ability to grant me The Speedrunning Colour, ive got an approved run here https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/zgxq4njm
idk if youre technically supposed to dm mods for that, but scrolling up a bit this seems to be the thing to do
true palm
ye no dont dm mods
if you dont get it in like 10 years and you feel lucky you can @ them
fallen forum
strictly speaking I can @ them whenever I want, it just depends how I want them to feel about me
and since im unlikely to be inspiring any fear in them, I might as well settle for 'generally unremarkable'
twin swallow
you can probably dm/highlight a currently active mod as long as you ask nicely (:
normal aspen
(Also ask src mods, we're not meant to give blue name)
main sleet
What's a speedrun route I can take that makes Watcher Knights easier? I'm struggling to beat them with nail 0 and vs.
true palm
you can learn nail one route
main sleet
Is that just a single nail upgrade beforehand?
true palm
idk the geo routing on it but you upgrade your nail
upgrading the nail increase your nail damage from 5-9 and makes Uumuu and thk slightly easier as well
i find though that if you're struggling with watcher knights on any% its not from a lack of damage usually
have you watched pests, fireborns, and vysuals guides on the fight?
haughty fossil
geo routing for nail1 route = pick up journal above mantis Village before quitting out after claw, then bench in spire, go to Lemm, grab the seal in the rafters to the left of him and sell all. then quitout, kill wk, don't pick up the seal but do pick up the chest
main sleet
I think instead of learning a new route I'll just kill false knight
Does that get you enough geo or no?
main sleet
Yeah but I just want to finish a run
haughty fossil
this geo route is much faster due to cutting out the later lemm trip
main sleet
Is there a video guide somewhere?
haughty fossil
I think? not able to find rn but if somebody else could that would be great
true palm
idk of one but i could just record me doing it really quickly
main sleet
I just need a basic idea of where to go and I should be good
fair island
Is there a video guide somewhere?
main sleet
ty
fair island
also this:
#any-percent-nmg message
dawn walrus
is there any big news?
knotty vigil
guys, i need some tips for baby Yoda 2nd phase :<
normal aspen
Not reallly a channel for shitposting @knotty vigil
old obsidian
knotty vigil
hmmm, alright thanks :p sorry for not really understand how the channels work :< im dumb
hidden fractal
It can be a little tricky, but the memory trick I use is S.P.E.E.D.R.U.N.N.I.N.G
S - Speedrunning
P - Is
E- For
E - Competitive
D - Speedrunning
R - Only
U - Other
N - Questions
N - Can
I - Go
N - In
G - Help
onyx spade
steady lynx
We all do
hasty basin
man i wish i didnt mess up so much at the end but its the first time i got sub 4 hours
digital jewel
damn gg
leaden python
Pog that's a great time, big GGs
granite field
man i wish i didnt mess up so much at the end but its the first time i got sub 4...
Gg ! also I really like your livesplit aestethic, this looks great
median gull
?rank randomizer racer
sick ravenBOT
@median gull, you joined Randomizer Racer.
sick ravenBOT
@true palm, you left Randomizer Racer.
somber cedar
ok this might sound stupid and I apologise in advance but... are there people around who have become speedrunners without being really good gamers beforehand?
haughty fossil
im still not a good gamer
digital jewel
yes
somber cedar
I'm practising All Skills WK rn and I know they're super easy comparatively, and I still die two times out of three
weary root
yeah HK is a ton of people here's first speedgame
somber cedar
so if this is an indicator that I shouldn't waste my time, I'd rather know now ._.
digital jewel
speedrunning is about practice. it's like learning an instrument
the game is (mostly) the same every time
you just get better at playing it
weary root
I definitely died to watchers practising for all skills you're not alone
last inlet
^ when i started i literally could not beat more than 2 watcher knights and now i'm pretty consistent (i wouldnt say particularly good) but then i haven't done nearly as much practice than many others here
true palm
i think most speedrunners start bad, you dont have to be an all bindings p5 god tier gamer before starting
haughty fossil
it took me around 1000 hours to get to a point where i somewhat know what i'm doing in this game now. i definitely would've been dying to as watchers if i had run that category first instead of any%
somber cedar
wait aren't any% WK like infinitely worse?
haughty fossil
(that being said w/ more focused practice you can get there a lot sooner, just look at rhinofeeder)
last inlet
yes
haughty fossil
yes and i spent a good 100 hours practicing them
weary root
they are š
last inlet
any% wk is the second hardest wk fight of any cat which people run
just don't try low% wk until you're very good at the fight
true palm
(low% runners still die to watcher knights all the time)
somber cedar
yeah, I'm def willing to put in the practice. I was just wondering because I keep messing up a fight that's probably really easy
last inlet
any% wk is by no means easy
somber cedar
thanks for making me feel better about it
last inlet
speedrunners can do them so well bc of the amount of practice
haughty fossil
as watcher knights can be extreme bullies even to experienced runners
i can't count the number of times i lose focus and end up on 1hp in that fight
true palm
bro i cant even make it out of kings pass half the time lmao, you dont have to be perfect
last inlet
(note: while you're practising please do not reset in kp for a 2 second timeloss)
weary root
Go watch the cerpin vs Nate All Skills race they both ended WK fight on 1HP
last inlet
(at that point you're just wasting time that could be spent practising on much bigger time saves and harder sections)
weary root
both extremely good runners
somber cedar
Go watch the cerpin vs Nate All Skills race they both ended WK fight on 1HP
noted. not currently practising full runs though, still working on some parts that I need to get down first
bronze anchor
if you've never truly practiced to get really good at a game before, it'll be a bit tougher to start. but as you get better (and get better at getting better) those skills will transfer to other categories, games, and really anything you wanna improve at š
last inlet
general question about watching speedruns to improve strats: if the route has changed since the current wr run, what's the best way to go about watching runs? watch both that and a more recent run that's only slightly slower?
haughty fossil
yeah usually, there are also sometimes guides that are more up to date, and watching people who don't have pbs but who have good segments live is usually a good thing
follow literally every hk runner on twitch for ultimate study material 
last inlet
yeah the other issue i'm currently having with specifically te is the only guide which really goes into any detail is vysuals' which is similarly old for certain strats
and not all the comsob segments have videos (i.e. basically none of them)
last inlet
follow literally every hk runner on twitch for ultimate study material <:quirrel...
and yeah i'm basically following every runner i encounter via recommendations/raids lol
haughty fossil
the real strat is to become a verifier so you notice anyone who you've missed and follow them too
north hemlock
is explosion pogo a thing only doable in other patches other than the last one?
or is it just harder on the current patch
kind flume
there are ways to do it on current patch
digital jewel
kind flume
but it is harder
digital jewel
you can't pogo the explosion on current patch
bronze anchor
if you don't want to deal w/ 60hz vsync there's another method, but it's much harder
north hemlock
ok so is there a guide on how to downpatch for mac or do i have to run something till it apparently works
digital jewel
there's a guide that definitely works for windows
and people have made it work for linux
that's the best we have in terms of resources
idk what will work on a mac and what won't
north hemlock
kden time to run stuff till something works
digital jewel
gl
jagged vault
yeah the other issue i'm currently having with specifically te is the only guide...
Adam is working on an advanced strat guide for TE, so there should be more resources available soon
Heck sorry for ping
wise tree
Is moddingAPI itself considered as a mod?
low bramble
yes
wise tree
ohno
hearty adder
moddingAPI affects game performance
If you want to submit a run to the main leaderboards, you have to do it playing on a vanilla copy of the game
kind flume
You need ordered splits for pantheon too, I think
thorn jasper
and end-triggering autosplit? maybe?
people ran pantheons before that feature was added, idk what they did
haughty fossil
iirc pantheon final boss autosplits are coded same way as stuff like aluba autosplit, where if it's the final split then it ends, otherwise it just splits
then again, honestly just tick the box for consistency
hardcoded end splits should be removed anyway 
wise tree
fdsafsfas finally removed moddingAPI
haughty fossil
you also need modding api disabled, so there is no text in the top left of the title category
wise tree
i just did :,)
haughty fossil
don't mind me, copy pasted message from #archived-modding-help
thorn jasper
if you have the disk space for it, having two separate installs can make things simpler. or use jamie's .bat script (jamie where is?)
wise tree
Somehow livesplit stopped after beating enraged guardian
haughty fossil
do you have splits set up outside the autosplitter
hearty adder
Imagine if making an autosplit automatically created a new split would definitely make it less tedious to set things up
thorn jasper
which category/patch is that? š
wise tree
Any% P4(Any bindings) and 1.4.3.2
thorn jasper
oh I'm dumb you posted splits earlier
wise tree
Lol
azure arch
I was wondering, running elegy% with Godhome MMS wouldn't be valid in the leader board because you can't actually pick up elegy, right?
formal bough
Collect the Grubberfly's Elegy reward from the Grubfather
so if that isn't possible then yeah
never looked at grubdaddy with cp mms, does he not spit out elegy cause you already have it or smth?
azure arch
never looked at grubdaddy with cp mms, does he not spit out elegy cause you alre...
yep
dry sluice
Same reason all skills can't do the godhome thing
So elegy% AG and AS AG would both be on 1028
broken patrol
I've wanted to speedrun any game ... for a long time
and so I started with Hollow knight!
so I'm just learning how to perform some of the skips, speedrunning strategies and such...
hearty adder
Good luck! There's a lot of good stuff on the pins and on #resources, plus the pins of each category. If you can't find what you're looking for, people were are usually available to help
broken patrol
What I'm trying to say is:
I've just learned about a strategy called Wallcling Storage.. atm.. it's pretty hard..
broken patrol
Good luck! There's a lot of good stuff on the pins and on <#298798821402607618>,...
ah thx!
thorn jasper
I wouldn't worry about wallcling storage for your first runs tbh
hearty adder
Tbh the only wcs i can get consistently is the one before Shade Soul on 1221
broken patrol
I'm a bit confused as to what 1221 is >_>
hearty adder
Patch 1.2.2.1, it's used in a lot of categories because it has some tech that has since either been nerfed or patched out
broken patrol
oh oke
thorn jasper
wallcling storage momentum doesn't work on current patch
broken patrol
ohhhh that's why
steep ocean
ionic cargo
yes
broken patrol
and the one who brought me to the conclusion: I'll buy hollow knight!
thorn jasper
yeah check the 
pinned messages for a guide for downpatching. it's not strictly necessary for speedrunning the game, but if you're watching fireb0rn's guide then he might be doing stuff that is harder or impossible on current patch
broken patrol
alright!
true palm
theres also things that are no longer relevant, such as the watcher knight bouncing bug on current patch
broken patrol
funny thing... in my first playthrough I almost did watcher knights without dive XD
I got 2 down and was determined to win the fight
I passively watched fireborn's videos... so I didn't pay attention to where he got it..
also I was just WAY too focused on beating them
true palm
anyways made this cool video that briefly goes over the different categories, livesplit, etc, and has lots of helpful links and stuff and talks about submissions and stuff, should answer some questions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHaOSIMxOEA&t=516s&ab_channel=ConstructiveCynicism
broken patrol
ooh thx!
btw, right now I'm not considering.. actually submitting speedruns. I just wanna go through the game very fast.. for fun :3
true palm
it'll cover some different things other than just timings, but its mostly oriented on explaining the different categories
broken patrol
okay
pine shore
will downloading a downpatched version via steam affect my current game and saves in any way?
broken patrol
Currently trying to learn the spirit -> Hornet skip
hearty adder
will downloading a downpatched version via steam affect my current game and save...
Only if you open a save made in current patch
grizzled maple
will downloading a downpatched version via steam affect my current game and save...
The short answer is no.
Make sure to not open a cp file on downpatched game, back up what you dont want to lose
?saves is the location
sick ravenBOT
Saves
Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)
Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\``` ** ** Mac File Paths: ```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/ Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/``` ** ** Linux File Paths: ```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/ Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```
broken patrol
Am proud.. can consistently get the greenpath hornet jump skip thingy 2/3 tries
dunno the right name
north hemlock
fireball skip?
plush light
Yeah you probably are
broken patrol
yea
plush light
what is your completion level
broken patrol
It's above 100... dunno the exact one
also.. I just killed hornet WHILE walking into her on last heart...
she died... I didn't
thorn jasper
Walking into hornet is a hobby of mine
thorn jasper
Nice! Keep at it :D
thorn jasper
what is your completion level
Btw if you were gonna say "you should complete more of the game before speedrunning", I'll disagree with you there. In fact, you only need like 1% to do fireball skips
thorn jasper
the problem is .. idk where to go after that XD
There's a 5 hour achievement guide pinned that can give you a comfy route if you're just looking to win quickish
dry sluice
can confirm you don't need to beat a game to speedrun it
broken patrol
thank you!
short spire
ori moment
dry sluice
I did a 15 minute run or something of iconoclasts having never beaten it casually
oh yeah and ori
I had never even played ori at all before learning the run at esa
broken patrol
technically ... your first run is both a blind speedrun and your personal best.. right?
vocal dove
probably doing that with blue fire
dry sluice
that was a fun time
vocal dove
does anyone find that the 3rd FS room has the most lag or does that probably depend on the PC?
thorn jasper
It has the most things I think, so that makes sense
broken patrol
I'm at 103% :3
true palm
imagine getting completion, the best way to show your love for the game is to do as little of it as possible
thorn jasper
Yeah that's why I do 4 Mask Shards
true palm
2%
meager current
Mawlek?
true palm
low% 4ms is kind of locked to being the same
you need vs to leave crossroads
which is 1%
meager current
you need vs to leave crossroads
Lantern
meager current
Just grind 1850 geo in crossroads and go to peaks
true palm
im routing it as we speak
meager current
It's just spelless
true palm
well the question is where do we go once we leave?
and do we opt for lantern (which requires killing Gruz mother) or if we opt for vengeful spirit
so far its looking like vengeful spirit
actually wouldnt low% 4ms just get 5 grubs, two sly shards and then the one in crossroads? also i'm clueless
dusk portal
Why 4 Grubs only?
dusk portal
It's 5
stray kestrel
Could you get into waterways for that shard?
reef lichen
Hey I was wondering, why isnāt fury of the fallen used in speedruns? Is it just not worth the time loss on kings pass?
stray kestrel
In 1xx categories however it is used to kill false knight and hornet and also you need to pick it up for the % anyways
reef lichen
Aight, thanks
digital jewel
you can overcharm fury in any% but it's still not worth it
dull lion
Has fury all skills been timed or has it just been deemed far too cursed to consider?
granite field
imma look into that
If you are interested we also discussed a bit about "4 worst mask shards", means the goal is to get the longest/hardest 4 most shards in the game. That's kind of arbitrary to define them though
digital jewel
it would be less beneficial in all skills
you have more spell damage relative to nail, there are more required or rng damage tanks (a problem when overcharmed), and there's spell twister as an alternative if you really want to overcharm
all skills wr used to overcharm spell twister for uumuu 1 cycle
granite field
If you are interested we also discussed a bit about "4 worst mask shards", means...
I think for those it ended up being like Early Mawlek, Flower Quest, Enraged Guardian and The Hive or something like that
thorn jasper
1500 essence instead of mawlek
broken patrol
dammit
granite field
1500 essence instead of mawlek
Yep true
broken patrol
I watched the any% nmg route video.. and got my time for hornet down to 12 minutes... from 23... and I died.. so I'll have to restart since I didn't bench in greenpath
rip
true palm
do you have debug mod?
broken patrol
oh thx
true palm
debug mod is the one you want
broken patrol
okay
broken patrol
no
true palm
forgot to ask
broken patrol
..
true palm
k good
broken patrol
I'm on the latest patch..
true palm
that is current patch
broken patrol
good..
broken patrol
yea
true palm
quality of life mod
true palm
quality of life adds in a bunch of skips from 1221, in addition to skipping some cutscenes
haughty fossil
imo don't use qol to learn 1221 strats
broken patrol
the mods are already in a list! not just like.. stardew valley.. where it is literally: go to a website, download it there!
haughty fossil
dang forgot i don't have fun in this game
granite field
why not? 
shrewd shoal
Do you guys have any Queen Acid tips? I'm getting pretty good at getting the super dash but I'm having trouble timing the wall jump at the end.
haughty fossil
some people find it easier to cancel the cdash before you hit the wall, so instead of slamming into it you end the cdash cancel animation
you may also be getting the cdash too low, the lower you are the harder it is on the other side
shrewd shoal
ok I'll try that. thx
old sphinx
You got the hardest part 
limpid ruin
you have more spell damage relative to nail, there are more required or rng dama...
shaman+twister overcharm for hornet 2, bv, and shriek spam tho š
wise tree
YES FINALLY
thorn jasper
do you want the speedrunner role? if so put a link to that run here and an src mod will give it to you
wise tree
Oh yes
last inlet
why are you trying anything to do with low te
i mean if you really want to kill birds for 30 hours good for you
high hawk
I mean it's the easiest way to get a world record
last inlet
i mean you're not wrong? but also for the sake of your sanity don't do low te at all
digital jewel
yeah there also aren't even leaderboards for low% te
high hawk
I mean then I'll get the slowest te
last inlet
submitting low te to main te board
high hawk
Yeah
digital jewel
you're allowed to take breaks, it's just the breaks are timed and recorded
cunning prism
does the current speed run strat include getting the lamp and going through the dirt mouth toll thing
digital jewel
yes
cunning prism
what if you fight soul master would that be quicker than grinding 1.6k
cunning prism
oh
last inlet
and we get a lot of geo from relics and wk
dark deepnest isn't even the main problem
as does it
last inlet
it's just 655 from wk + 1100 from relics basically already covers it
true palm
in low%. its 655 from wk 420 from Ghusk and 900 from the relics
high hawk
Nah low te is the way to go
true palm
low te was pretty memey and all but its honestly not as cursed as low% godhome ending or low% all bosses
last inlet
it's less cursed but it's more of a terrible idea
hearty adder
If you're gonna meme for 30-40 hours you'd be better off doing it on a category that actually has leaderboards and competition
true palm
i think 30 hours of birds is long but its not cursed
true palm
nail 0 vs grimmchild dreamwielder for all 5 pantheons with 5 masks sounds more cursed
last inlet
(note: please dont)
hearty adder
Just do AG Elderbug%
true palm
if you submit that long of a run Verulean will have to come back and reclaim his anti-WR
high hawk
Yeah this is true but it doesn't make u guy's hurt inside
true palm
low% te wasnt even the longest bird grind category
high hawk
Oh God
true palm
low% nsoob did the same thing with less equipment
heres part one
sadly the category is obsolete but you get the point
high hawk
I mean you say it's obsolete to the person who wants to run low te
true palm
no nsoob is an obsolete category, as in its no longer a category type
all of this pain is avoidable within the ruleset with new glitches
stuck raptor
well, new tech in nsoob was found to obsolete this run specifically
high hawk
Ah
stuck raptor
then other things were found to obsolete the category definition
true palm
low% true ending still needs birds, a little less because of GPZ
stuck raptor
before nsoob/nldg was removed entirely, the low% route was reduced to about 30 minutes
high hawk
Currently trying to get GPZ down to a science but It's tough
Once I do that I'll actually run low te
true palm
i personally think having every movement ability takes the charm out of low%, which is the reason i never found interest in that cursed category
but if you want a preview of arthritis be my guest, i think Skurry took a while for their hands to recover
aHHHH 
mb
high hawk
Currently planning to run on the 20th if I get GPZ down
true palm
do you have radiance down?
true palm
its literally worse than te radiance
hearty adder
Now two more people need to do valid 40 hour runs so it can be added to the leaderboards
last inlet
we complain about te radiance being inconsistent to kill and that's shade soul shamans
high hawk
So any tips on low radience?
last inlet
your spell is literally doing around 1/3 of that damage, likely more like 1/6 bc no doubles
true palm
suffer
last inlet
basically everything that applies to radiance in te but safer
since you'll have to survive for around 5x as long
hearty adder
my tip for low radiance is: reconsider
true palm
the reason Skurry didnt struggle is because they were a former true ending wr holder
last inlet
didnt skurry almost do it damageless in their low te?
but yeah skurry is insane (both at the game and in general)
yeah for phase 3 you're honestly better off just slapping her for a minute
high hawk
So currently practice low radience, GPZ and a little of wk is my plan
last inlet
low te wk isn't even close to as bad as low wk
shadow dash works wonders for not dying
last inlet
this is coming from someone who had low wk except with shade cloak in a rando seed once
was fairly simple
true palm
i think you should focus on lost kin as well
last inlet
yeah lost kin will be a little rough
true palm
lost kin is going to be hard, since they'll run out of staggers early on
last inlet
lost kin, failed champ, and radiance are the 'choke points' in te and you cut failed champ
true palm
but you add gpz
last inlet
yeah true
true palm
thankfully its lvl 1 gpz
but true ending failed champ just gets tripled on loop after the first stagger and barely moves
last inlet
also failed champ is way easier if you have shadow dash - a lot of hits you take in te are gonna be bc your dash was just barely too late to get out of the way
or bc you get cornered and don't know how to respond
true palm
ye, as someone who was timing some stuff for low% ge/ all bosses, and also someone who practiced true ending, low% te is not a beginner category
last inlet
at least there's no eldur hu rng in low te
true palm
dont you do elder hu at the same time as well?
like elder hu rng doesnt matter as much as bird rng
but its still there right?
last inlet
and eldur hu not necessary for te
true palm
or just do low% with the new deepnest tech
last inlet
can't wait to see menderbug ag wr
true palm
anyways imma go throw myself at the brick wall that is low% see y'all in a couple hours when i inevitably choke the only runs to make it past QSS
vocal dove
GL!