speedrunning

[jagged vault]

petra geo + devout skip 😤

[verbal junco]

overcharming for 70% of the run wouldnt be worth it, it makes wk even harder, + worse uumuu (2dmg) + inconsistent deepnest

[steady lynx]

But you save a whole 3 seconds

[mild moon]

^^^^

[twin swallow]

theoretically (:

[true palm]

but you rest 30x more often

[harsh mason]

more than 30x

if it was just 1/30 to do it, people would

[verbal junco]

in theory, but how much time would be used to heal, and bench for the extra hp you lose in return?

[steady lynx]

Okay, can you stop pinging me?

[harsh mason]

you would just hitless it hat, except the required damage

getting hit loses time anyway

[true palm]

some strats are faster, but too inconsistent, i think this is one of them

[verbal junco]

^^^

[harsh mason]

if you're going to do like 100 times the runs just to get the rng to do one run with that timesave

you might aswell just do it and hope for god uumuu, wk and thk rng

[verbal junco]

yeah but how many people would actually be able to do the entire game hitless, let alone the dedication to do it in any% with as many hard bosses and inconsistencies there are (i get glass soul players theoretically could, but in an any% scenario where you only have 3 notches, vs, and old nail, and have to do it fast?)

[harsh mason]

you'd probably save more time

why did you edit that to ping

[verbal junco]

mispelled something

[harsh mason]

mispelt mispelt

[verbal junco]

[haughty fossil]

editing replies makes it a ping for some reason eg

[verbal junco]

yeah

wish discord changed that

[steady lynx]

Okay, question 2, would Twister save time in All Skills?

[verbal junco]

hm

[harsh mason]

twister is better than catcher

[steady lynx]

Did I not ask you to stop pinging me?

[mild moon]

twister is also slower than catcher

[verbal junco]

forgot to turn it off, thats my mistake

[mild moon]

Picking it up loses around 15 seconds. It probably isn't optimal anymore after Uumuu 1 cycle has been made consistent.

[harsh mason]

oh i guess you use dive / shriek in as

[steady lynx]

It'd only save minimal amounts of time

Like at most six seconds on WK

[harsh mason]

does it save anytime on WK

[steady lynx]

It'd just make soul routing easier on 4 and 5

[haughty fossil]

afaik you should never need to be farming soul apart from last 2 knights

[true palm]

youd theoretically not need to farm any extra soul period

[harsh mason]

what if you do a cursed air stall skip with twister though

did you factor that in homothety

[steady lynx]

What airstall would ever need four fireballs?

[harsh mason]

left side monomon with sharp shadow + wings

[haughty fossil]

isma's cdashless becomes basically free w/ 4 fireballs

according to somni's definition of free

[twin swallow]

"not technically impossible"?

[steady lynx]

If it wasn't for that you need dreamnail for Lurien that'd almost be routable

[verbal junco]

not needing dreamnail for dreamers would be really good, it would save like 30s for dreamnail, +10s x3 seconds for absorbing

[true palm]

not needing dreamers would be pretty good, save like 25 minutes for thk

[steady lynx]

Just wrong warp into the black egg, or store a door

[normal aspen]

with trwister the last bit becomes like QS FB skip level free

instead of being insanely hard

[rough holly]

Is there like a considered good patch to speedrun on?

[steady lynx]

1.2.2.1

[true palm]

1221 for nmg

[normal aspen]

1.0.2.8

[steady lynx]

1.0.0.6

[rough holly]

I see

Why is that?

[steady lynx]

Depends on category

[true palm]

because they broke the game on that patch

for whatever reason, lever hitboxes are larger

bunch of other things

[steady lynx]

They also broke the check for if you're trying to hit them through a wall, floor or ceiling

[rough holly]

I've attempted my first nmg on 1.4.2.4 cuz I didn't know which patch I'm supposed to use

[steady lynx]

How are you on 1424?

[rough holly]

Wait uhm

[true palm]

1432 is current patch

[steady lynx]

Shouldn't it have auto updated to 1432 normally?

[rough holly]

I think I'm mistaken wait lemme check

[true palm]

1424 is for pantheon IL's

[twin swallow]

some pantheon stuff is done on 1424 yeah

[true palm]

youd have to intentionally download it

[steady lynx]

Mainly all bindings since nail arts weren't affected by nail binding

[stuck raptor]

[normal aspen]

[haughty fossil]

❓

[rough holly]

I'm on 3.2

Sorreh

[twin swallow]

so current patch

[rough holly]

Ye

[normal aspen]

n't yltsi

[rough holly]

Huh

[steady lynx]

1432 is used for cp categories and 112%

[stuck raptor]

poggers

[twin swallow]

1432 has a few leaderboards if you can't / don't want to downpatch

[steady lynx]

Though 112% isn't great for new runners

[stuck raptor]

swashbucklern't

[rough holly]

Do I downpatch to get to... Whatever patch I need?

[steady lynx]

Depends what category you want to run

[formal bough]

check pins for downpatch info

[rough holly]

Okie

[twin swallow]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten here is a very cool guide on downpatching (that I hope is not broken again)

[rough holly]

Thanks

Btw what is all skills nmg

[steady lynx]

All max spells, all nail arts and all movement

Then finish the game

[twin swallow]

get all spells (and upgrades), nail arts and movement abilities under no major glitches (NMG) ruleset

[steady lynx]

Also Isma's despite it being useless

[rough holly]

Lol howd u get upgraded isma

Sounds useless imo

[steady lynx]

Mostly Isma's being useless since we can just acid skip most places it'd be needed normally

But it's required for the category

[wise tree]

why did i not record this aaaa

(is P4

[verbal junco]

gg

[cursive jacinth]

hey everyone! finally decided to join here. might try a couple runs here and there (once classes stop being hell), this would actually be my first game doing so. i have high hopes! first stop: low%.
anyway, glad to be here :)

[true palm]

as a low% runner who started with low%, would love to help if you're dedicated to the category, glad to have you here. Will say right off the bat, 1) All Skills and Any % are the beginner categories, and 2) Current Patch Low% is too advanced for a first category, would recommend downpatching to 1221 for that one

[cursive jacinth]

yep! i've downpatched. it might also help to mention i've 100%'d the game except for all bindings p3/p5, and completed a low% run for fun.

[true palm]

oh you've already completed a run

[cursive jacinth]

but i totally wanna see how well i can do low%

[true palm]

welp thats a good first step

[cursive jacinth]

i mean, it was just a "see if i can actually do this like, is it possible lol" run

[true palm]

did you follow homothetys routing guide, or what did you use?

[cursive jacinth]

yeah i think i followed his, except for where i farmed a bit for lantern 'cause i can't do deepnest blind (yet)

honestly found it super entertaining :D

[true palm]

how did you get to lantern? did you back track later?

[cursive jacinth]

yeah, just backtracked

[true palm]

pog

[cursive jacinth]

so basically i did a couple things out of order

[true palm]

how was watcher knights btw?

[cursive jacinth]

that was definitely a challenge, wow haha

[true palm]

i feel

[cursive jacinth]

didn't think the dash was so crucial to the fight. it took a few tries, but not more than seven i'd guess

[true palm]

ye im guessing you actually learned the fight since you did bindings

isnt wk p4?

[cursive jacinth]

iiiiiii thiiiink so? all i know is collector is p3 and i am NOT doing that yet lol

learning all bindings collector will be the last thing i do

[true palm]

anyways if you're prepared for this to happen ask any questions about low% and id be happy to answer https://streamable.com/ncizlz

[cursive jacinth]

oh my god

[true palm]

ye my run died today to that xd

[cursive jacinth]

that made me wince ;-;

[true palm]

he stopped on the ceiling so the pattern got thrown off

literally the end of the fight too, i hit scream skip

[cursive jacinth]

aaaaahhhh :(

[true palm]

would have been a top 5 run but oh well, thats low% for ya

[cursive jacinth]

holy crap, owww

crying

wow i'm sorry about that

[true palm]

still a little bitter about it but i'll live

ah nah that was my 5th run so im not mad

5th completed run

not 5th attempt

just to be clear

[cursive jacinth]

right right

oh thk was also a new challenge for me

[true palm]

ye thk is surprisingly dumb without dash

[cursive jacinth]

never fought it before without being like, stacked

[true palm]

same

[cursive jacinth]

on the bright side i got to appreciate the fight in all its wonderful aspects, on the dark side i died like 15 times

[true palm]

i feel

i only get the fight like 70% of the time

same with WK

[cursive jacinth]

fair trade imo, really interesting fight when it doesn't take 20 seconds

[true palm]

i mean in some other categories it takes 20 seconds

my fastest thk in practice is like a 2:20 , but thats pretty slow

[cursive jacinth]

i'm no good at high dps, i'll need to practice literally every boss

all... four of them?

[true palm]

if you count false knight as a boss then yess

but we just hit him 13 times

takes like 8 seconds

[cursive jacinth]

wait why was i thinking of hornet 🤨 oops, yeah three bosses

[true palm]

thankfully we dont have a lot of bosses to learn

but theyre all amongst the hardest in speedrunning this game

my first run submitted had like 3 deaths to WK

[cursive jacinth]

yeahhh. if i can get better at fireballs and combo-ing them with nail swings i'll probably be fine

when i saw a fireball hit WK three times i was like woahhh

[true palm]

fights mostly carried by killing the first one quickly, and then hitting both of the other ones with vs

ye we can get triples on this category but its harder

[cursive jacinth]

rip dash 😔

[true palm]

no shamans = no fun

its all shamans bby

[cursive jacinth]

and shamans, woah

[true palm]

doubles the hitbox

[cursive jacinth]

yeah shoot forgot about that

[true palm]

so in any% you can fireball above the "roll line"

and still hit them

[cursive jacinth]

that makes a lot more sense

[true palm]

we dont have that luxury

i believe its still doable but its too tight to go for

[cursive jacinth]

actually hitting one or two would be pog tho 👀

i can see it happening

[true palm]

Rhino doesnt even go for doubles outside of the firrst one

i go for them all the time and regret it

[cursive jacinth]

maybe i'll learn to as well then haha

[true palm]

typically what ends up happening is your jumps too short and you get hit for free AND do no damage

and if you jump too high you just miss

[cursive jacinth]

(and die a little inside)

i'm hoping to learn deepnest blind and get the bosses down pat, then i'll be good to try running

[true palm]

how are your skips looking? (Queens Station, Epogo, Mantis Pogo, DV, etc etc)

[cursive jacinth]

learned epogo and i feel sooo cool about it, queens station skip is mostly consistent, mantis pogo is a mess, idk what DV is

oh distant village

[true palm]

Distant Village

[cursive jacinth]

idk what skip you mean

[true palm]

so to make the first gap you either need to a) do the wall jump or b) fireball

either way, its minor but you have to reset automatically if you mess it up

[cursive jacinth]

ah right, i forget what i did before but that shouldn't be bad at all

wall jumps are fine

fireballs are fine

[true palm]

how about CPeak, that ones probably one of the most difficult ones, the Cheart room

[cursive jacinth]

okay that part took me embarrassingly long

[prime delta]

does low% go to deepnest for tram pass? I never realized you couldn't do the salubra shade skip without dash

[true palm]

no you can do the shadeskip

but we cant kill gruz mother XD

[prime delta]

OH

[cursive jacinth]

but yes, we take tram pass

[true palm]

Great Hopper% does that shadeskip btw

[prime delta]

kinda forget that gruz mother is a boss tbh

[cursive jacinth]

i'd have to practice Cheart room

[true palm]

ye that rooms tough

[cursive jacinth]

to be fair i did my one run on current patch so

[true palm]

OH GOD

why do you hate urself

[cursive jacinth]

idk if that makes a difference but ow c-heart room was rough

[true palm]

how did you get to mantis village

[cursive jacinth]

i shade skipped instead of epogo

[true palm]

ok good

[cursive jacinth]

that was neat and silly to figure out haha (never shade skipped before)

[true palm]

so theres a cursed fireball skip you can do or you can do insomnias new low% cp epogo

if you ever run current patch

[cursive jacinth]

oh it's possible on current patch?

i didn't even think it was

[true palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/290931849264627722/817272189337206794/60fps_cp_low_epogo.mp4

[cursive jacinth]

YOOO

that is insane

[true palm]

requires 60 fps but yup

its possible

and very cursed

[cursive jacinth]

the grin on my face rn, wooow

wooow

[true palm]

obviously nobody runs current patch, so this isnt even up to date

in fact current patch low% record still shadeskips that

[cursive jacinth]

shoot if i'm down bad enough i might... 😏

[true palm]

i'd avoid it, that strategy would take a lot of grinding, and the fireball skips also cursed

[cursive jacinth]

just for the hell of it 'cause that'd be really funny

[true palm]

not to mention spire rooms horrible

[cursive jacinth]

spire room?

[true palm]

before watcher knights, on 1221, we hit a lever through the ceiling, on current patch, you have to kill a sentry

[cursive jacinth]

OH

[true palm]

the ones that do 2 masks

[cursive jacinth]

right yeah

that part was scary, i forgot that room existed until i jumped headfirst into it

[true palm]

ye thankfully 1221 doesnt do that

also current patch low% uumuu is ummm

special

[cursive jacinth]

uumuu is scuffed all around

god that fight took forever to do D:

[true palm]

ye its bad, i think i've only 3 cycled once or twice

[cursive jacinth]

i had like three nail hits and maybe a fireball per cycle

[true palm]

rough

[cursive jacinth]

like i said, no good at high dps

[true palm]

ye no it just takes practice

i'm also of the opinion uumuu is the worst part of the entire game period

[cursive jacinth]

i'll get the hang of it eventually 😎

i still feel cool about learning epogo and i did that like a week ago

[true palm]

epogo was pretty pog to learn, kind of impressed you learned the entire route without any help from the discord

see everybody called me a masochist for running low% first but i still got help

[cursive jacinth]

i just checked homothety's vid whenever i got stuck somewhere

[true palm]

SAME

[cursive jacinth]

oh i am an absolute gaming masochist

shoutouts to crypt of the necrodancer's aria low%

[true palm]

Oh god that sounds bad

[cursive jacinth]

took. years.

[true palm]

Anyways i think i was religiously watching homothetys run, and i watched the other top runs as well

[cursive jacinth]

i'll probably end up doing the same

[true palm]

but i hit dark deepnest

and so i asked in the discord

and thats how i found rhino feeder

the only other soul that runs this category right now

and so he helped me get my first run done, and i hopped into insomnias stream later and was talking about low%

so insomnia tries a couple times and then bops me after i help him

[cursive jacinth]

hahaha, how nice of them

[true palm]

ye it was pretty funny ngl

there was a lot of free time save, i died to watcher knights in my pb

but the category is sick, glad theres gonna be another runner

[cursive jacinth]

i'm excited! happy to be received :)

[normal aspen]

I felt the back of my next burning hahah

[true palm]

i almost bopped you back but thk bullied me

[normal aspen]

Yeah was a huge pb pace

[true palm]

its ok, i can go faster, it was 5 cycle uumuu

got extra attack on first cycle and things didnt go so well

[cursive jacinth]

i just hope i don't get brutalized too badly by the bosses... gonna need lots of practice

speaking of practice, i don't know a good way to actually do that

[true palm]

do you have debug mod?

well let me introduce you

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/7br3d

[cursive jacinth]

i do not, would love to be introduced

[true palm]

just copy your 1221 folder

and install debug into the copy

debug has savestates to repeat bosses, infinite soul and hp for practice, and other cool stuff

[cursive jacinth]

will do 👍 thanks for the link

save state would be exactly what i need

[true palm]

imma head out for a minute, but if you have any questions about low%, feel free to hit me up, and if you want to actually watch runs i stream sometimes (I also do the new dark room strat for tram pass split cuz more dark rooms = more fun)

[cursive jacinth]

sure thing! i should prolly head out too 'cause 4:30am lol

but yeah, pleasure chatting with you ^^ see ya later

might catch a stream some time if i'm not dying in my classes

[true palm]

ye i feel, i also stream at random times of day so dont feel bad if you dont catch it

i kind of have a sleep schedule that involves me staying up 24 hours and sleeping like 6

for most days of the week

[sonic cargo]

Hi, so, I’ve been thinking about trying an any% nmg speedrun. Does anybody know the route? Is it on a spreadsheet or something? Also, how do I inventory drop....

[normal aspen]

Unfortunately nobody knows the route

when fire left he stole everyone's notes

[hearty adder]

check the pins for the any% nmg route

if you're on current patch (1.4.3.2) there's very few differences

[jagged vault]

for the route, i recommend you check out the tutorial series by fireb0rn on his youtube channel

inventory dropping on current patch was semi patched out

[hearty adder]

To inventory drop on current patch, you gotta press the inventory button as you're falling from a ledge

[jagged vault]

you can only do it from a ledge if you open your inventory on the same physics frame as you step off a ledge

which is 1 50th of a second

it's a bit precise but very doable if you know the timing

[hearty adder]

It's not as hard as it sounds to get it consistently in the places where it really matters though

if you're on pc and use a joystick, it really helped me to use joy2key to remap the inventory button to one of the face buttons

[digital jewel]

there is none

the autosplitter will split on any ending

[sweet crater]

Is it impossible to make multiple save states in hollow knight?

[normal aspen]

?saves

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[boreal bough]

does someone know how to have livesplit not on my game screen when I am playing hollow knight

Because now I constantly click it accidentally

[kind flume]

should be an option somewhere called "always on top"

[boreal bough]

ye found it thanks

[torpid scarab]

man I've started learning any% nmg recently and why are watcher knights

[hearty adder]

Watcher knights are arguably the biggest hurdle in any%, we all suffer with them

With practice you'll suffer less, though

[torpid scarab]

yeah I've been grinding away at it but it can get frustrating lol

[wise wolf]

Hollow knight fight is p hard too imo

For speedrunning

[torpid scarab]

eh, I can probably deal with that better than watcher knights

[hearty adder]

More so in cp than in 1221

I feel in 1221 they're kinda baby compared to the other bosses

[torpid scarab]

weren't they gonna fix them in the most recent patch since they were missing a move basically

[hearty adder]

Yeah, the beta fixed the watchers after being broken for like 3-4 years

[torpid scarab]

[hearty adder]

But hey, current patch is run on 1432 since that patch is not out of beta, so don't worry about that for now

[torpid scarab]

yeah. may just take a break from watcher knights and do some absrad or something lol

tfw I'd rather do absrad than any% watcher knights

[hearty adder]

If you don't want to deal with any% WKs (which, tbh, same), you can try running All Skills instead

There you have descending dark and shade soul* to bully them

*at least in 1221, i haven't run AS in cp so i don't know

[torpid scarab]

nah, it's fine, I just need to stop every now and then and do something else

[granite field]

yeah all skills seems a good option

it's a longer category though

[last inlet]

does anyone know what's going wrong here? i'm getting this exact thing happen pretty consistently

[rugged crow]

I think you're too early? I'm probably wrong though

[last inlet]

ok i'll try delaying it slightly

yeah i was just going a bit early ty

[hearty adder]

I think ax2u's double spike kill mentions using the positioning of the spike once it hits the ground to gauge where you went wrong

https://youtu.be/ley-RlVA4HE?t=59

[thorn jasper]

If you mean debug save states, not for current patch. 1221 debug has a recent update that supports multiple updates - see #resources for that

[sweet crater]

oh okay ty

[quiet saddle]

What do I press in debug mod to get my UI back?

I heard fireb0rn mention it in a video but, for the life of me, I can't remember what he said

F1 brings up the menu; I want to get my UI back (my soul/hp gauge)

Oh wait, my b. I see what you mean

I guess F1 has 2 jobs lmao Double nvm; this just brings up the debug menu

[thorn jasper]

you may have accidentally binded f1 to the toggle hud functionality

[quiet saddle]

Nah, it's not that. I save stated after getting the final hit on HK

[haughty fossil]

open inv

[quiet saddle]

^^^^ thats the tip yes

Thank you for reminding me

[haughty fossil]

if you reset after the trigger for absorbing infection then your healing may also be broken, gotta restart save to fix

[quiet saddle]

Oh, good to know. Thanks!

[mighty rain]

Hey so i have a question
My speedrun was rejected due to the "title screen not showing, so it May be modded"

However there where 3 different instances i bench warp ed, putting me in the title screen, my run should be valid yes?

[haughty fossil]

runs must start from the title screen for full game runs

[mighty rain]

Well that was my Best run in the tras dammit

And i belive twitch deleted my og vid already so cant get that back

[grizzled maple]

Mods and verifiers are already overloaded as is. This rule was impemented recently to make their lives easier.

[limpid ruin]

Also if anything this can be a big learning experience to make sure to read rules before submitting

[quiet saddle]

How long ago did you stream it @mighty rain

[haughty fossil]

twitch VODs are deleted after 14 days* by default

[grizzled maple]

justget turbo 4head

no ads and 60 day vod storage which is normally a partner perk

[thorn jasper]

https://www.twitch.tv/turbo

[haughty fossil]

it's a site-wide sub that removes ads and stuff

[grizzled maple]

^

[mighty rain]

I cant get it since Cash so it doesnt help

[quiet saddle]

If it's been deleted, it's too late now regardless

You streamed the run over two weeks ago?

[haughty fossil]

you can always do a faster run

or bask in unrecorded wr like ax

[mighty rain]

Honestly im not motivated to do one

[quiet saddle]

How come?

[mighty rain]

Yeah

[mighty rain]

Getting your pb by 15m and the run being not verified for a few seconds i cut off the vod isnt motivating

[quiet saddle]

Oh yea, that's disappointing but that feeling will go away in time, don't worry

And now you know for next time

[mighty rain]

Yeah thats true

[quiet saddle]

It's fine to be salty over it now tho, cuz it just happened, I don't fault you

I'd be salty too haha

[thorn jasper]

I believe monstah couldn't have his (faster) 112 record verified for the same title screen rule

happens to lots of us

[quiet saddle]

Btw is there a sort of community geo/soul checklist for any% nmg?

If it doesn't exist, I'll probably look at trying to write one, based on fireb0rn's video guide.

[thorn jasper]

the route notes should tell you what geo to get. routing in hits on enemies for soul depends on the situation

unless I'm misunderstanding the question

[quiet saddle]

Route notes? :O

You aren't misunderstanding it

I'm not looking for specifically like "Hit this husk twice if it's at the left platform"

More like "You need full soul to quick kill the grass knight dude" or "full soul by the time you get to trap bench"

[mighty rain]

Oh

You need 8 soul for the grass one

Not 9

Since you need 1 hit anyways

[thorn jasper]

huh, I can't find like a simple pastebin of the any% nmg route

[mighty rain]

It depends on your skill/comfort how much soul you gather for each segment

[haughty fossil]

that's generally considered within limits of "learn and get the muscle memory", stuff like geo routing for any% is mainly 206 before gruz mom (220 on cp), and 2322 before king's stag

no i need to completely remake it on google slides so it doesn't take 20 years to open, but im kinda flooded atm

[thorny hornet]

Will downgrading my version corrupt save files on latest version? (I hope this is the right spot to say this)

[hearty adder]

Only if you open a later patch save on an older patch

As long as you don't open the saves it'll be fine

However it's always a good idea to back them

?saves

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[thorny hornet]

Tysm!

[hexed locust]

is there a powerpoint like this for all skills? if not i may make one

[kind flume]

Are you talking CP, herm? Because then the best guide we have is probably this route pinned in the channel https://pastebin.com/qSGRDiBZ

[north lion]

I just finished my first run

Not saying what it is cuz it’s embarrassing at the slowness of it

hh

[thorn jasper]

If you finished then it's probably less than 24 hours otherwise you probably would have needed to sleep. So I'm proud of you

[bright valve]

I have a small time save for the hornet fight in speedrunning

if you launch the vengeful spirit at her you dont have to go through her dialogue, it just launces the fight immediatly since you didnt get close enough for her to speak

[thorn jasper]

awesome you found that! we have known about this. if you go into the fight with full soul it can be worth, otherwise I believe it's better to just save your soul for damage

[bright valve]

well it does still do damage as far as im awhere

[thorn jasper]

the fireball you use to skip the dialog does damage? hmmm I didn't think that was the case. I could test with the enemy health shown in debug

[haughty fossil]

there is not, though I was planning on making one soon (tm) (note soon ™ means some time in the next month maybe )

[hexed locust]

cp or 1221, i have lots of time and would be happy to do some improvements to make guides a bit easier on the eyes

jamie i will definitely need help so maybe i can get a start on it and you can help spruce things up when you've got time?

[verbal junco]

i still dont understand how i did this

i havent been able to repeat 2min greenpath like
ever

[thorn jasper]

do you have a greenpath autosplit

[verbal junco]

no

[thorn jasper]

5:54 sounds like a time to enter greenpath, not get dash

that's probably where that time came from. idk your split history

[verbal junco]

this has always been my autosplits

[thorn jasper]

what comparison is showing a 5:54 dash?

[verbal junco]

best segment

[thorn jasper]

may have been an accidental split?

[verbal junco]

probably

[meager current]

[thorn jasper]

if you want to upload your splits file I could dig in there 👀

[verbal junco]

nah

[thorn jasper]

I would probably just delete the dash gold then

[verbal junco]

ye

[meager current]

better than mine

wait why is cheart before vs

well i mustve missed it

[thorn jasper]

Forgotten Corners

That's my legit best segments comparison for it

I forgot about spoilers so I deleted the message

This is what I posted before Slothy's response. (Forgotten Corners spoilers, I guess, kinda?)

[thin garnet]

I finished my first "run" of nmg any% with no practice

But no practice was a bad idea

[true palm]

ye it does tend to take a minute to learn everything

particularly Watcher Knights and Queens Garden Acid skip

[cursive jacinth]

wait so is there a way to have livesplit over top of my game if i'm in fullscreen with only one monitor?

[honest folio]

Hey, i was wondering if anyone knows how to display my livesplit over my game so i can see my splits and my game at the same time on one screen. For some reason i can't change my hollow knight (1221) to borderless windowed so that's not a solution

oh wow

that question has just been asked i see

[cursive jacinth]

jealous 🥺

we're on the same wavelength zuivel

[kind flume]

Not over fullscreen, I think? If you use windowed fullscreen though

[cursive jacinth]

unfortunate

that's fine tho ig

[honest folio]

"always on top" doesnt work for me for some reason on 1221

and if i run livesplit as administrator once it works, but if i tab out only once it goes back to being behind my game again

[cursive jacinth]

i guess that'd be the only way you can do it, is just do it that way and then don't alt tab

[kind flume]

I tab out all the time for all sorts of reasons. Not really a solution sadly

[cursive jacinth]

well hopefully that wouldn't be a problem if you were super focused on a run

[honest folio]

yeah not tabbing out is kinda annoying if you're doing a 1h long run

it's not the greatest solution

Ok i found a solution

https://github.com/Codeusa/Borderless-Gaming/releases download this software and install it, if you've launched HK you can select it in the software and it'll go borderless windowed so it won't show your HK over your LiveSplit

As long as "always on top" is selected

Hope this helps!

[cursive jacinth]

that might be the play 👀

[honest folio]

Lmk if it works!

[cursive jacinth]

i'll try it some, prolly not soon tho

[honest folio]

k

[true palm]

theres an easier way

not to be rude

you can either add -popupwindow to launch options in steam

or enter windowed mode in Hollow Knight and hit alt + enter

[surreal prism]

got a 1:46 speedrun

on switch

[true palm]

Pog, what category?

[surreal prism]

any %

[true palm]

solid

[surreal prism]

beat my friend by 2 minutes

now i can finally say that im better than him

[true palm]

lol, you gonna stick with any%, or you gonna branch out

[cursive jacinth]

dang why didn't i think of this

[surreal prism]

ehh, i want to optimize any %

screwed up soo bad on thk died like 5 times

[true palm]

its ok i only think of it because its a frequently asked question

[surreal prism]

could have gotten a sub 1:40

[true palm]

ye i kinda figured thered be slip ups with that time but thats solid for a first run

[surreal prism]

its my third run

[true palm]

still solid

[surreal prism]

my first run was a 3:30

[true palm]

you're on console so its harder for you to practice and its longer

[surreal prism]

i still have no idea how some people get 43 mins

on switch

[true palm]

you're improving it seems and thats what matters

1. they never die, 2) they grind for ever, and 3) a lot of them also run on pc

they also reset constantly

you won't see them get a 43 minute time every single run

[surreal prism]

i died once in the pentra room, and 5 times in thk, otherwise almost perfect except me wasting money on useless stags

[true palm]

ye, i think once you have the route memorized, and are confident enough to not die, you could get that time really low, but improvement is what matters

[thorn jasper]

have you watched their runs?

[surreal prism]

no i have not

[true palm]

you should

[surreal prism]

but i assume they use skips

[true palm]

ye they're not hard to learn

[thorn jasper]

nothing major. shade skip probably

[true palm]

everything outside of epogo is really accessible

[surreal prism]

and prob the crystal dash skip to get to uumuu

[last inlet]

most of them aren't hard to learn*

[true palm]

the cdash skips not terrible

its setup really well

[last inlet]

ye that's fairy simple

[surreal prism]

ill practice on my completed file

[thorn jasper]

don't practice acid skips with isma's tear

you'll need a file without isma's tear to practice those

[last inlet]

yeah you cant do the skip if you have ismas

[true palm]

the acid will swallow you

[surreal prism]

yeah, i just realized that

welp, gotta make a new file

[true palm]

Queens Garden Acid skip and Explosion Pogo are probably going to be the hardest to learn, so i'd learn those later

[surreal prism]

didn't they patch explosion pogo

[true palm]

yup

thats why its hard

theres 2 ones on current patch that are insanely hard

[surreal prism]

dont tell me i have to damage boost

[true palm]

one of them you would, the other you dont

both of them are insane

[twin swallow]

damage boosting is the easy one (:

[true palm]

you dont need epogo for a really solid time so I'd focus on the other skips first

The acid skip to Uumuu and the Shadeskip are massive time savers though

[wise wolf]

Is acid skip to uumuu esp hard?

[true palm]

no its not

[wise wolf]

Like as hard as QGA

Oh ok

[true palm]

not even close

[wise wolf]

Niceee

[true palm]

if you walk off the platform its setup perfectly

[wise wolf]

Ok cool

[surreal prism]

may I ask why do you need to shade skip when you need crystal dash anyways?

[true palm]

shadeskipping to salubra gives early Dreamnail and CoT access

[wise wolf]

It lets u do watcher knights early

I think

[true palm]

dreamnail first but yah

[wise wolf]

Yeah

[twin swallow]

without shade skip, we would need either tram pass or waterways to get to right side city

[true palm]

the only other way to get to city of tears would be to a) kill false knight b) tram pass or c) get a really early lantern and drop from crystal peaks

any% steel soul and low% both get tram pass to get to city of tears, and its not the most enjoyable experience

[amber lotus]

2nd try Watcher Knights.. died on 5th knight my first try getting to greedy at the end....

Fight feels so much easier now compared to just a few days ago..

time to learn rest of any% NMG now and feeling good about it

[verbal junco]

should i switch to 1.2.2.1?

[twin swallow]

if your computer can run it and you want to go faster, sure

[last inlet]

if you want to be faster it's better

[verbal junco]

meh

[twin swallow]

if your pc isn't that great or you just don't want the hassle of downpatching, that's fine too

[verbal junco]

most of my runs end at greenpath

either because i get slow vengefly or fail squit backup

[somber cedar]

Could we maybe get the -popupwindow thing added to the LiveSplit guide on src? It seems to come up a lot

[thorn jasper]

@topaz heart ^

[topaz heart]

[hearty adder]

If you're just starting out, imo it's more important to finish runs rather than just resetting constantly

you'll get good at the first splits but then get discouraged when you start falling behind on the mid and late game

[verbal junco]

so, i got dash at like 9:58~ish
and it said i got it at 5?

[thorn jasper]

did it split when you got dash, or did it split at that time (i.e. 5:42)?

[verbal junco]

i have an autosplit for dash, and the split ended as soon as i got it

• my split key is like 5 keys away from my attack and cast keybinds

so i couldnt have hit it accidentally

[hallow orchid]

Is time showing segment time and not total time?

[thorn jasper]

so it split at the right time, but the displayed time makes no sense? do you still have that sum of best comparison active, and that faulty gold?

[digital jewel]

that looks like a greenpath split

[verbal junco]

wait i just realized

yeah it was

[thorn jasper]

math you are a genius

[verbal junco]

i fixed it

[hallow orchid]

[verbal junco]

my livesplit crashed

[warm aspen]

the dash slash skip for the desolate souls door doesn't work in 1.4.3 right?

[thorn jasper]

correct, only 1.2.2.1

[verbal junco]

wait no it was just lagging

[warm aspen]

so you go dive then mines then back to desolate

this explain the big time difference between the two runs

[thorn jasper]

what category are you looking at?

[warm aspen]

allskills 1.2.2.1 and cp

[thorn jasper]

ah yeah, we need the extra geo for Elegant Key in cp

[open atlas]

what’s the fastest possible run?

that humans can do

[warm aspen]

i failed my down patching so i'm focussing on learning the basics of cp XD

gotta start somewhere

[thorn jasper]

most of the categories have a "community sum of best" sheet that puts together everyone's best segments. so roughly that

[open atlas]

where can i fjnd that?

[warm aspen]

speerun.com

[thorn jasper]

e.g. in #all-skills and #any-percent-nmg have them as pinned messages

[verbal junco]

my gametime timer crashed nooo

[thorn jasper]

for Matteo's question

[hazy birch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk07U8faftY any idea what happened with my soul here? never seen this before

[thorn jasper]

this room gives me free soul all the time

no idea why

one theory I've heard is that it's just a ui glitch, and that the game is just catching up to the soul you already had. but why this room so often?

[dusk portal]

It has a lot of spikes, it may trick the game

[hazy birch]

hmm interesting. i didn't nail any of the enemies on the way down the shaft fwiw

[novel obsidian]

do you use grubsong ?

[hazy birch]

nah just shaman, all skills run

[novel obsidian]

then I don't have a clue sry :/

[true palm]

probably some 🍝 code

[thorn jasper]

it is an extremely spiky room, I wonder if that has anything to do with this

[true palm]

im guessing the room isnt designed to be traversed that way so it updates your soul in some way

also question, im actually setting up my keyboard to text mash, whats the full list of actions that mash through text

[last inlet]

uuuh idk i just mash jump/attack/dash but not sure which ones actually advance the text

[neon island]

Jump and attack do, dream nail also works but it only works if you have dream nail

[last inlet]

ah ok

i'll start mashing dnail as well

[true palm]

oki doki

does dash work if i dont have dash?

[last inlet]

i dont think it works at all

i just like pressing buttons

[thorn jasper]

I was told that jump, nail, and focus advance text

[last inlet]

you know what i'll just mash all of my buttons at once

[thorn jasper]

[last inlet]

what can go wrong

[mild moon]

It corresponds to the face buttons with the default controller layout.

Jump, Nail, Focus, and Dream Nail if you have Dream Nail.

[verbal junco]

nooo i forgot to get crossroads station

[thorn jasper]

fire added a section in the guide about popupwindow

[verbal junco]

and i died at cheart parkour
i didnt bench at dirtmouth
im at lurien

[hearty adder]

it's a good idea to have route notes besides you while running to get used to a route

it's also a good idea to add some extra splits so you don't lose track of things

[broken sun]

hi could I get a blue name 😄
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/zx63dpqz

[hearty adder]

Congrats on the sub 50

[thorn jasper]

ellonemop. L (o) M N O P? ell one mop?

[formal bough]

ell ome nop doesn't really make sense

[haughty fossil]

slaurent you wrote it down wrong, might explain some confusion

[formal bough]

l still can't parse it with the m and n swapped

[haughty fossil]

'ello. me nop?

[bronze anchor]

blue name ello

[exotic thunder]

what are all the triggers for infected crossroads again?

[leaden python]

wings or any dreamer IIRC

[thorn jasper]

...does infection change the grass or something? 👀

[plain bay]

in the Benchwarp mod, what does the button "Set start" do?

[thorn jasper]

sets warp to either King's Pass, or whatever rando/plando position you started in

short for "Set warp point to start of game"

[plain bay]

oh thanks

[broken sun]

yeah LMNOP was correct 😄 Not perfectly phonetic but I like the spelling. And ty, I hit a 44 today, so we have come a long way already from the sub 50

[north lion]

I’m gonna submit my run tomorrow after school

Wish me luck

Also do you 100% need cdash for any%?

[hearty adder]

Yes, you need it to do acid skips

[north lion]

I know you can get herrah and Lurien without it but idk about monomon

[grizzled maple]

Yes unless you do a bunch of really precise skips to ismas

[north lion]

shit

Aight

Thanks

I’ll practice tonight and possibly tomorrow

[last inlet]

bestgirl%

[normal aspen]

[haughty fossil]

[thorny hornet]

Is the inventory drop glitch allowed in current patch nmg?

[hearty adder]

inventory drops are nmg

they're just done differently in cp

[true palm]

hard to do on current patch

so less of them are done

[hearty adder]

you can only do them when falling off a ledge, rather than anywhere

[thorn jasper]

yes, it's allowed

[thorny hornet]

Thanks everyone!

[grizzled maple]

#speedrunning message

Still wish this were pinned

[empty cargo]

I might of just discovered something amazing

[hearty adder]

What is it?

[empty cargo]

So turns out the door to the abyss has different collision, unlike other objects in the game the door to the abyss pushes you out of the collider rather then you getting stuck in it, meaning if there was a glitch or something to clip into the door past a certain point, you could have the collision push you out into the abyss, meaning it might be possible to get into the abyss without kings brand

[stuck raptor]

this is already possible with OOB glitches

[empty cargo]

Well still interesting discovery right

[wise wolf]

Hi, this is reposted from #archived-modding-help, sorry if this is off topic:

Hey everyone, I've been having trouble recently downpatching hollow knight on MacOS via steam. When I open the steam console and enter in the "download_depot" command with the numbers given on this website https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten, it gives me an error message saying "manifest not found." Can anyone help?

[thorn jasper]

just to check, did you see this note?

These are the commands for the most useful patches, on Windows only. A full list for every patch including IDs for Mac and Linux can be found here.

here is a link

[wise wolf]

Yes i used those commands

The numbers given at least

[thorn jasper]

to clarify, did you use the numbers from that linked pastebin?

[wise wolf]

Yes

[thorn jasper]

I have reached the limit of my usefulness. Hopefully someone else will come along with deeper insight

[wise wolf]

Lol ty

Np btw

I can still do speedruns w current patch if i cant find a solution

[dull lion]

downpatching doesn't work on the current version of steam. You need to downpatch your steam with a seperate program

[wise wolf]

Download depot right?

Or something else?

[dull lion]

run this (I thin kwith steam open, its been a while, maybe closed idk) and then do the stuff you already tried

if you want it from a more trustworthy source its also on speedrun.com i believe

[wise wolf]

Ok i will try that

Im about to go to sleep tho ill lyk if it works tomorrow

Thanks!

[dull lion]

no problem, if that doesn't work theres a second method as well that I haven't used. The depot will take around 30 minutes to download at least once it starts so don't worry if it does

[wise wolf]

Ok cool

[fair island]

hes has a mac so idt he can open a .exe file

[dull lion]

oh shit, I knew mac's were dumb but I didn't know they were that dumb. Somebody else will need to explain whatever the other method is then

[vocal dove]

VK quick kill is so tricky

[low bramble]

mood

[true palm]

unless there is wizardy i'm unaware of, there aren't tools to downpatch on Steam with a Mac. The Steam downpatcher does not work and neither does Depotdownloader. Livesplit also does not work

[neon island]

I think you could get a windows plugin for Mac to run exe files iinm

[true palm]

if you install wine or something similar, but theres no guarantee that functionality remains

wine is also not compatible with the latest version of macOS

this is all coming from a guy who has never owned a Mac, but thats what I know from trying to game on Linux once upon a time

[fair island]

you can do that?

[true palm]

kind of

it converts .exe files to Unix supported programs based on a library of commands

ie if you were to try doing that with Hollow Knight the run would not be valid

because the program would run different than it would on Windows or Mac

[fair island]

so an emulation?

[true palm]

kind of

emulation occurs on the spot, wine converts the program completely

im trying to keep it simple, its a little more complicated than that but it really just boils down to that doing anything useful on a Mac requires more steps than it should

[weary root]

Suddenly my youtube feed

[stiff delta]

Yea i was gonna watch that dunkey ghosts and goblins video and i refreshed on accident and oh no

[verbal junco]

hey so

earlier yesterday, i was doing a run

and basically

when i was at the lemm elevator and sent it down while hitting the bring to this floor lever, and it went down (when its not supposed to) and the game turned off my collision hitboxes, phasing me through the floor (although slowly) through the floor, i kinda passed this off at the time but now im considering "the fuck happened there?"

honestly im mainly confused

it couldnt be used because of how slow you go, and how little areas it can supposedly be used

[true palm]

can't be used because any out of bounds glitch is major

idk what glitch it is, but its still banned from NMG

[meager current]

^

[weary root]

it's elevator storage of some kind, normally you get it from standing on the top edge of the elevator and then walking into the spikes - game still thinks you're on the elevator so moves you as it does

[verbal junco]

yeah

[uneven scarab]

elevators are flat out broken in this game

makes me fear for my life on actual elevators

[stiff delta]

Imagine getting in a real world elevator, getting out, and then when someone uses it to go up further you just skyrocket into the ceiling

[wise nova]

Hey guys I just finished my first hk speed run

[tardy sable]

how was it

[wise nova]

It was ok I made a lot of mistakes but in the end I was able to complete it in just under 3 hrs

Ima try it again some other time and try and do better

[tardy sable]

nice! gl on your next run

[wise nova]

Thanks bro

[jaunty anvil]

hi my livesplit is not showing golds even if i get a gold ? it just shows the timesave as green , can any1 help ?

[sweet crater]

Is there a way/mod to fight the Absolute Radiance before encountering her in p5?

[jaunty anvil]

u shouldnt b asking in this chat but u can probably just download a save file somwhere with completed godhome

[last inlet]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[sweet crater]

oh mb i dont really use the server but i just used the speedruning channel but ty

[ionic cargo]

is main menu storage available on cp?

[true palm]

double check your best segments aren't 0:00 and double check that your best segment color isnt messed up

[true palm]

there is a type of main menu storage on current patch, its what they use to transfer godhome abilities on to a normal save

[normal aspen]

yes but its slightly different

also can be used for bench storage so u can boob and getting noclip

[ionic cargo]

how does it work, and could you show me a tutorial?

[ionic cargo]

boob?

[normal aspen]

bench out of bounds

[ionic cargo]

ok

[true palm]

i'll try looking for the tutorial

[normal aspen]

#resources message

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd-dogenag0
new way of doing the benchn't version, hich u want for sdome meme cats

what run are u trying to do btw @ionic cargo ?

[ionic cargo]

a 112% all glitches ||but with like only like a few glitches because im bad at glitches/ dont know many||

[ionic cargo]

btw does this work on console?

[true palm]

iinm it requires a mouse but i could easily be wrong

[ionic cargo]

damn i'm broke

[true palm]

so ye unless i'm horribly off its not possible on console

[ionic cargo]

@normal aspen can you confirm this ^^^

[normal aspen]

i dont think u even get cursor on console with mouse so i think its pc only

[ionic cargo]

okay, thanks

so there is no way mms works on console

[true palm]

no the premise around mms requires you to hit hit options in two different menus simultaneously

[somber cedar]

How can I practise THK with debug mod? When I set a save state before entering and then load that state after defeating him, my HP is bugged and I can't heal

[true palm]

you need to load the savestate quickly

if it changes to the part where you focus him it is bugged

[somber cedar]

ah, cool

[true palm]

to get your UI back just open and close your inventory

[jaunty anvil]

hello i hav been trying 2 mess around in livesplit 2 make gold splits show up cuz my my gold splits were just showing as a green and now when i split it doesnt show me any number as a comparison

[haughty fossil]

classic insomnia message, not a correct spelling in sight

[jaunty anvil]

what im asking is can som1 help me out here

[true palm]

ye i replied to you earlier

anyways can i get a screenshot of your splits

specifically the layout settings under splits

[jaunty anvil]

here u goo

[haughty fossil]

change comparison to current comparison

then ensure comparison when you right click on livesplit is set to Personal Best > Game Time

[jaunty anvil]

kk

[jaunty anvil]

yeahh it;s still scuffed :(

[haughty fossil]

in edit splits check you don't have fake golds

[jaunty anvil]

doesnt look like i got fake golds

it;s not just the golds not showing up anymor it;s also like

[true palm]

so do you have times in that column?

[jaunty anvil]

yeah that

yip

in both game and real time

[true palm]

wdym theyre not showing up?

[jaunty anvil]

so

[true palm]

do you want them on your timer

[jaunty anvil]

when im running

nah like

ok so it;s extra broke now

so yknow when ur running n

when it splits itll b like +10s or -6s

[true palm]

you need to add a column

[jaunty anvil]

n if u get like ur best time save the text will go gold

right

[haughty fossil]

"best segment" colour is used for gold time

also make sure "show best segments" is ticked

[jaunty anvil]

yeah thats all fine

the thing is it is also

[haughty fossil]

what? no

[true palm]

dont you need a delta comparison?

[jaunty anvil]

maybe ? that seems like it might b

[true palm]

because my game time always stays white

[jaunty anvil]

what is delta

[haughty fossil]

screenshot your livesplit

[jaunty anvil]

IM SORRY 4 WASTING YALLS TIME BTW

[true palm]

like see the times are white

[haughty fossil]

not you

the delta column is there by default

[true palm]

if you scroll up they only have one column

[jaunty anvil]

okok so these rnt showing up anymor AT ALL

[true palm]

ye add a column

[haughty fossil]

ok then you need to add a column to the layout for time delta

[jaunty anvil]

mmmmm

uh

[true palm]

just make your settings look like mine

[jaunty anvil]

ohhh i thik this is da money

YESSS

thankssssuuuuuu

[true palm]

np

[jaunty anvil]

thank yall sm for ur time

[haughty fossil]

i've got nowhere else to be

[onyx spade]

lost my best run to beast's den sadge, speedrunning this game is so hard

[jaunty anvil]

yeah i gues i just hate when ppl r too lazy 2 problem solve on their own n just ask discord n im anxious about coming across that way

@onyx spade we all been there king

[true palm]

@onyx spade i feel that, still havent recovered from my run yesterday where i died after the final scream on THK

[onyx spade]

oh no 😦

I don't understand how you guys can run low%, it was hard enough for me casually

[haughty fossil]

simple solution; don't get runs past early game so you can't suffer in late game

[fair island]

42 mins for any% is really good

[true palm]

i dont understand how i can run it either after this happened

https://streamable.com/ncizlz

[devout wing]

OMG NOOOO

[onyx spade]

that's nice, would have been more like 47 mins had I beaten thk

nooooooo

[true palm]

now i cant get past fungal lol

[haughty fossil]

that's a mood and i don't even run low% fungal

[onyx spade]

hey jamie I wanna say your powerpoint on current patch any% really helped me

[jaunty anvil]

woah can i get a link

even tho im part of 1221 gang now

[true palm]

its on src

[onyx spade]

I legit spent over an hour trying to get through crystal peaks in my low% playthrough

also here is the guide https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/gq0g3

[true palm]

@onyx spade ye i spent quite a few hours learning the cheart room, its pretty epic once you know it

(meanwhile struggles to even hit statue pogo)

[onyx spade]

I've given up on statue pogo completely (assuming I understand what statue pogo you're talking about)

[true palm]

ye crossroads statue, its a different cycle on low% because we open the stag but its still an annoying trick

[onyx spade]

I just pogo the vengefly lol, slower but much easier

with low% do you reset a lot to queen's station skip?

[haughty fossil]

proper statue pogo is fake if you're doing the vengefly pogo from the upper platform though then it's not too hard to just use the statue instead if the vengefly is being bulli

[onyx spade]

yes that way I can say that I did statue pogo

even though I didn't really

also sleep skip after getting dream nail is a myth on current patch

I've tried so many times

[haughty fossil]

it is much harder

you have to spam pause v quick, then unpause and then immediately dash & buffer 2 more dashes

[onyx spade]

it's too bad I break my thumb trying to spam the pause button on my ps5 controller

what do you mean by 'buffer' the dashes?

[steady lynx]

Seer skip on cp is a myth, statue pogo is free though

[haughty fossil]

buffering inputs = doing inputs slightly before the previous animation has ended, so that the next input comes as soon as possible

eg. press jump before hitting the ground and you jump immediately after landing

[ionic cargo]

could someone please tell me some glitches that work on console cp? (I know of cdash storage)

[onyx spade]

ah I see

[haughty fossil]

now in hk half of the input buffers are broken

[ionic cargo]

true

[haughty fossil]

the only cp glitch that isn't possible on console is mms afaik

everything else can be done w/ all controller input

[ionic cargo]

ok, thank godness

mms is so cool though

also what is afaik?

[steady lynx]

You can have two instances of main menu open on console but you can't do anything past that due to the lack of cursor

[haughty fossil]

as far as i know

[ionic cargo]

ok

[devout wing]

what do you do with geo in any% nmg runs

[haughty fossil]

spend it

crossroads stag, shaman stone, king's stag, lantern, cpeaks toll, dv stag

[devout wing]

ohh right forgot about the lantern

[somber cedar]

file

[devout wing]

i'm still stuck at wk

[ionic cargo]

its a learning process

[devout wing]

one fight, there were only two knights left and i choked

[true palm]

watcher knights be like that

[stone laurel]

any% wk harder then absrad prove me wrong

[last inlet]

nah i'd say absrad's a bit harder

low% wk is harder than absrad tho

[ionic cargo]

low% wk

[stone laurel]

oh yeah i assume no shaman in low%

[jaunty anvil]

or dash

[last inlet]

and no dash

shamanless just makes it more of an endurance test

[stone laurel]

yeah

[last inlet]

dashless makes it way harder to dodge anything

[true palm]

as a low% runner, shamans and dash are both kind of equally painful to not have

[last inlet]

i'd say that lower dps isn't necessarily an increase in raw difficulty (where having less ability to dodge is), just that the huge extra amount you have to survive for ends up making the stamina of the fight way harder

[true palm]

no its not that fam, its that we cant fireball above the roll line as easily

[last inlet]

although the small hitbox does mean some of your dodges have to be slightly different if you want to get doubles

[true palm]

so airstalling with VS loses damage

[last inlet]

🐌

[true palm]

its not even about the doubles tbh, its literally just that if both watcher knights roll, we cant get a fireball in

[last inlet]

huh interesting

yeah that does make sense

[true palm]

in any% if both of them roll you get a double or triple on one of them and hit the other

also because we have to be below the roll line to fireball, we end up with either too much soul or having to retreat more often to actually land damage

dash makes the fight harder to die on but shamans makes it faster

[last inlet]

yeah true

ig my comments were more based on 'can you beat the fight' rather than 'can you do it super fast'

which no shamans does affect the difficulty of significantly

[true palm]

i personally think that doing it fast means you're less likely to die in general

[last inlet]

well yeah there's also that side to it

[true palm]

which is why i think shamans is more important than dash

all in all, i think low% wk is more fun

[last inlet]

from the not very much low% wk i have attempted i think it's probably harder than te radiance which really is something

maybe i just didnt do it enough tho

[true palm]

its comparable, which is why I've had true ending suggested as my next category

[last inlet]

yeah te rad is a very fun fight

[true palm]

i think te rad is harder to get consistent though

[last inlet]

probably true

there's so many things you have to be able to adapt to

which makes it more about general technique than pattern recognition

[true palm]

i've dropped like maybe 6-10 hours of just watcher knights and i kill them 80% of the time, but from what i hear te radiance is kind of a coinflip

[last inlet]

funnily enough i'm more consistent at it than i am at te lost kin atm

despite having identical gear for both

[true palm]

lost kin gives less time to react

[last inlet]

yeah, i think a decent portion of that is from my 10+ hours of absrad practice for p5

[true palm]

ye regular rad feels super slow after doing absrad

[last inlet]

it's honestly pretty funny

also phase 3 shade soul nail0 is unironically the hardest phase

[true palm]

im not familiar with the phase numbers for radiance, but thats the vertical spike bullet hell phase where shes in the middle right?

[last inlet]

yes

[true palm]

id imagine thatd be annoying in a nail0 build

that phase is dogshit without quickslash ngl

[last inlet]

yeah since you have to jump up towards where she's spawning them, airstall yourself, then hope not to accidentally knock yourself into a sword that's either already there or spawning

[true palm]

true ending seems like a category i'd love to run a couple times but i'd hate optimizing it the way i've been trying to do with low%

[last inlet]

i honestly very rarely die to the platforming phase (4) in te rad compared to other places

yeah it's very fun but some of the bosses are kinda just rng

[true palm]

(elder hu)

[last inlet]

so grinding can get a little frustrating if you just randomly lose 20s to elder hu

alternatively: marmu wavedashing

that one's especially bad after frogs

[true palm]

oh ye you have to do frogs rip

[last inlet]

having a shade soul lined up really helps there

but yeah they're literally just random

[true palm]

ye only bs rng in low% is there is a single weaver that can just fucking hit you into spikes

and you cant see it coming

[last inlet]

trying to do some of te very fast is a bit terrifying, notably some of the bosses

yeah that sounds very dumb

[true palm]

you just reset if it happens

its a 25 second loss

if you have enough soul left to do the fireball skip again

[last inlet]

te 🤝 low%
random bs 25s timeloss from a single enemy

(tbf at least elder hu is usually not that much)

[true palm]

te low% random 25 second timesave from a single enemy

[last inlet]

25s? more like 10 minute

just get perfect rng and have like a 3 hour run

not that hard

worst part is that whoever does the run next will most likely wr bc of the new zote quitout

which i believe skurry didnt do

[true palm]

ye it wasnt routed yet

but just because the timesaves free doesnt mean anyone wants to do it

[last inlet]

which is like a 10 hour timesave

[gloomy bane]

how i get the speedrunner role?

[last inlet]

submit+get a run verified on speedrun.com

[gloomy bane]

did it

[last inlet]

link the run

[true palm]

🐌

[last inlet]

and wait for an srcom mod

[gloomy bane]

i post it here?

[last inlet]

ye

[true palm]

yup

[gloomy bane]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/zqg8wv9m

thats my run

[true palm]

currently there arent any src mods on right now

its currently bad time of day/morning/night

[gloomy bane]

oh

that was fast

[true palm]

nvm

[wise wolf]

lol

its ok i can just run on current patch till i find an alternative

[true palm]

@wise wolf ye so they all misinformed you because they're not mac users

theres not a method of downpatching currently working for mac that i'm aware of

[wise wolf]

oh ok