#speedrunning | Hollow Knight | Page 114

digital jewel Mar 5, 2021, 8:23 PM

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so it's not a sequence break

meager current Mar 5, 2021, 8:23 PM

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uumuu is unknown gender beesive

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not a he zote

kind flume Mar 5, 2021, 8:24 PM

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I think the him was referring to false knight

meager current Mar 5, 2021, 8:24 PM

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oh

kind flume Mar 5, 2021, 8:25 PM

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which, I guess... are the maggots gendered?

last inlet Mar 5, 2021, 8:25 PM

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actually yeah uumuu definitely skips either dung defender or hornet 2 (who in turn would count as a broken vessel skip)

digital jewel Mar 5, 2021, 8:26 PM

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hmm it's not entirely clear if cdash into fog canyon is unintented

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but yeah arguable

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that's still only 2 bosses that are skipped though

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and these 2 skips are ones that many people did casually

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I don't think having to do dung would make hitless much harder

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but broken vessel definitely

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purely because of mawleks

wicked blaze Mar 5, 2021, 8:33 PM

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is there a clear like map route for all skills nmg?

silver snow Mar 5, 2021, 8:54 PM

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anyone know how to fix the UI bug if you have a save state for hollow knight fight and you load it and UI is just gone

haughty fossil Mar 5, 2021, 8:54 PM

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open inv

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unless you did it too late (ie after the absorb infection trigger) at which point you will need to restart the save file, because healing will be broken

silver snow Mar 5, 2021, 8:55 PM

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inv worked

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tyty

somber cedar Mar 5, 2021, 9:07 PM

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wicked blaze is there a clear like map route for all skills nmg?

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/n1urw

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digital jewel Mar 5, 2021, 9:07 PM

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this route is really incomplete

somber cedar Mar 5, 2021, 9:07 PM

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That's only up to claw, I'm afraid

wicked blaze Mar 5, 2021, 9:12 PM

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man

meager current Mar 5, 2021, 9:12 PM

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man

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?srpsa

sick ravenBOT Mar 5, 2021, 9:12 PM

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Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

wicked blaze Mar 5, 2021, 9:13 PM

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hmm?

dull lion Mar 5, 2021, 9:20 PM

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Your best bet is probably just Pisces video guide

carmine yew Mar 5, 2021, 9:23 PM

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Someone could probably draw one up quickly in like paint or something idk

stiff delta Mar 5, 2021, 9:23 PM

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@ kt

digital jewel Mar 5, 2021, 9:24 PM

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yeah those detailed maps are kinda time consuming to make but you could bust out a simple one pretty easily

somber cedar Mar 5, 2021, 9:25 PM

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I started drawing one when I started learning the route, but tbh the videos and some quick notes worked much better for me, so I stopped

still rock Mar 5, 2021, 9:26 PM

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yes i finnally got that annoying explosion pogo for the first time(in practice)

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YES I GOT IT A SECOND TIME ONLY TOOK 30 🙂

next nova Mar 5, 2021, 9:45 PM

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how come my keybinds dont save on 1.2.2.1

digital jewel Mar 5, 2021, 9:45 PM

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are you using a mouse button?

next nova Mar 5, 2021, 9:46 PM

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ye

digital jewel Mar 5, 2021, 9:46 PM

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patches before current don't like mouse binds

haughty fossil Mar 5, 2021, 9:47 PM

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#resources message - rebinds mouse1 and mouse2 to h and t

digital jewel Mar 5, 2021, 9:47 PM

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either switch to using keyboard only or use a program like x-mouse to bind your mouse buttons to keyboard keys

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or use that program jamie linked

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but that program only does left and right click so if you're using additional mouse buttons you want to use x-mouse instead

next nova Mar 5, 2021, 9:48 PM

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alright thanks

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:05 PM

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I'm having an issue with downpatching to 1.2.2.1 - I tried launching the game on the most recent version just to double check I didn't have an issue with steam but when I bring the new files in (the 1.2.2.1) after getting rid of my old ones, my game just keeps repeating the "Preparing to launch Hollow Knight" steam dialogue box, it'll close for half a second and then reopen for a second and a half

digital jewel Mar 5, 2021, 10:07 PM

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sorry did you copy 1221 over your current patch installation?

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that could cause issues

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:07 PM

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no, I removed the original install first

haughty fossil Mar 5, 2021, 10:07 PM

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you shouldn't replace your normal install, have it separate, add a steam_appid.txt w/ text 367520 and launch from the exe

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:07 PM

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I tried that first - when I try and launch from that exe it just launches steam

digital jewel Mar 5, 2021, 10:07 PM

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ok next step are you 100% sure the 1221 download had finished

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:07 PM

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at the newest version

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yes - I've tried both the outdated steam one through the steam console and through the depot downloader

digital jewel Mar 5, 2021, 10:08 PM

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https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten#ch5Deleting_Windows_Registry

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try this then

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but yeah like jamie said having 2 installs is a lot more convenient

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:09 PM

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when I tried the multiple installs

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I've deleted the registry btw

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when I tried the multiple installs, it would just launch the new version through steam

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but let me try it again

digital jewel Mar 5, 2021, 10:09 PM

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there's going to be a new update at some point soon (it's in beta rn) and if your 1221 is installed in the normal directory it will be replaced and you'll need to redownpatch

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probably you messed-up the text file

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a lot of people name the file wrong

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:09 PM

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it should be

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steam_appid right?

digital jewel Mar 5, 2021, 10:10 PM

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yes

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can you screenshot the folder with it in there?

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:10 PM

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digital jewel Mar 5, 2021, 10:11 PM

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that looks good

true palm Mar 5, 2021, 10:11 PM

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whats the last asset file you have in the hollow knight data folder?

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:11 PM

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sharedassets391.assets.resS

digital jewel Mar 5, 2021, 10:11 PM

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what happens if you launch this exe now

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:11 PM

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launches current version of the game, not 1.2.2.1

stuck raptor Mar 5, 2021, 10:11 PM

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you have it in downloads still

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:11 PM

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this is true

stuck raptor Mar 5, 2021, 10:12 PM

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probably move it somewhere a bit more.... permanent

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:12 PM

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I had it on desktop before

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right now i'm trying to troubleshoot before I worry about moving it

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unless it would cause issues

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I mean

haughty fossil Mar 5, 2021, 10:12 PM

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idk mick i have over 30gb of trash in my downloads, it's pretty permanent feelspkman

stuck raptor Mar 5, 2021, 10:12 PM

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lol

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:12 PM

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my downloads is horrible

digital jewel Mar 5, 2021, 10:12 PM

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there might be permissions issues in downloads

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idk windows is a mess

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:12 PM

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let me copy everything to desktop just to be sure but I don't think there usually is

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I've never had that issue before

stuck raptor Mar 5, 2021, 10:13 PM

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downloads gets treated as a "temp" folder

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:13 PM

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ok, it's on Desktop again, let me relaunch it

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nope

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1.4.3.2 again

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this is a fresh install with the correct code

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let me delete my registry again xD

digital jewel Mar 5, 2021, 10:14 PM

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that's curious

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it really should be launching 1221

stuck raptor Mar 5, 2021, 10:15 PM

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did you keep the 1221 files separate from all others

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:15 PM

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launched 1.4.3.2 again

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yep

stuck raptor Mar 5, 2021, 10:15 PM

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or did you combine some

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:15 PM

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as you saw it was just in my downloads

stuck raptor Mar 5, 2021, 10:15 PM

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or use the exe from 1432

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:15 PM

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Nope

stuck raptor Mar 5, 2021, 10:15 PM

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you said it was on desktop

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and then you moved it

haughty fossil Mar 5, 2021, 10:15 PM

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did you save the txt file

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:15 PM

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I redownloaded it

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yes

true palm Mar 5, 2021, 10:15 PM

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using the exe from 1432 just causes a crash not launching 1432

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its not that

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:16 PM

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#

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open

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and close

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closed*

stuck raptor Mar 5, 2021, 10:16 PM

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are you pressing the steam launch button. or double clicking the exe here

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:16 PM

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exe

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to clarify what I said earlier Mickely, The first time I downloaded it it was on my desktop and I was having the same problems

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I then tried downloading through depotdownloader just to be sure I wasn't being an idiot

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and that's why it was still in downloads

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I haven't done diddly squat to it after the original download

thorn jasper Mar 5, 2021, 10:17 PM

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reboot the pc?

true palm Mar 5, 2021, 10:17 PM

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out of curiosity its launching 1432 and not 1424?

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:17 PM

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1.4.3.2

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yeah

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Ill reboot my pc, one second

true palm Mar 5, 2021, 10:17 PM

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whats the last file in your hollow knight data folder

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:18 PM

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I said it a little bit ago, lemme grab that message again

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sharedassets391.assets.resS

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brb

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Ok I’m on my phone now

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Pc is restarting

digital jewel Mar 5, 2021, 10:18 PM

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that's the same for me

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:18 PM

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Are you on 1.2.2.1 or 1.4.3.2?

digital jewel Mar 5, 2021, 10:19 PM

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1221 folder

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:19 PM

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Ok

digital jewel Mar 5, 2021, 10:19 PM

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and I'm pretty sure you didn't download 1432 by accident because it has a unityplayer.dll that 1221 doesn't have

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all my knowledge says that your current setup should 100% work

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:19 PM

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Basically, when I’m launching that exe it’s launching through steam with the new version for some reasons

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Some*

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Reason*

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just restarted, let me try that again

haughty fossil Mar 5, 2021, 10:20 PM

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does the text file have whitespace after the number maybe

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:20 PM

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I would be surprised

stuck raptor Mar 5, 2021, 10:20 PM

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the txt file should prevent steam from launching CP

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:20 PM

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nope - no space

stuck raptor Mar 5, 2021, 10:20 PM

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what about the file name

true palm Mar 5, 2021, 10:21 PM

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its fine

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:21 PM

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true palm Mar 5, 2021, 10:21 PM

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its not .txt

haughty fossil Mar 5, 2021, 10:21 PM

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and there's no newline?

stuck raptor Mar 5, 2021, 10:21 PM

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no. i mean a space

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:21 PM

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stuck raptor Mar 5, 2021, 10:21 PM

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after appid

digital jewel Mar 5, 2021, 10:21 PM

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they just don't have file extensions showing

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:21 PM

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it is a txt document

digital jewel Mar 5, 2021, 10:21 PM

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it's a txt document

haughty fossil Mar 5, 2021, 10:21 PM

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it's not .txt.txt

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:21 PM

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xD

stuck raptor Mar 5, 2021, 10:21 PM

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the only other thing that's weird is your parent file name

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but that shouldn't matter

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:21 PM

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oh

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I just copied it over, I planned on changing it later

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restarted, launching it again

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one sec

true palm Mar 5, 2021, 10:22 PM

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that wouldnt matter, normally downpatching issues are user error but this doesnt seem like it to me

silver snow Mar 5, 2021, 10:22 PM

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Wonder if changing the name on the folder of the original hollow knight to something else, and 1.2 as just "Hollow Knight" would help here?

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:22 PM

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the restart fixed it

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I want

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to die

digital jewel Mar 5, 2021, 10:22 PM

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wtf

true palm Mar 5, 2021, 10:22 PM

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LMFAO

silver snow Mar 5, 2021, 10:22 PM

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lol

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:22 PM

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xD

stuck raptor Mar 5, 2021, 10:22 PM

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?

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weird

true palm Mar 5, 2021, 10:22 PM

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Windows is pretty great

haughty fossil Mar 5, 2021, 10:22 PM

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steam is 🥴

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:22 PM

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I HAVE NO IDEA MAN

digital jewel Mar 5, 2021, 10:22 PM

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that's so stupid but I'm glad it's fixed

silver snow Mar 5, 2021, 10:23 PM

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just gotta try turning it off an on again man

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:23 PM

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Man I tried fricken everything before coming here

silver snow Mar 5, 2021, 10:23 PM

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easiest fix

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:23 PM

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besides restarting apparently

haughty fossil Mar 5, 2021, 10:23 PM

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ifls

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:23 PM

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I want

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to

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ughhh

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anyway

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thanks

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sorry xD

digital jewel Mar 5, 2021, 10:23 PM

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restarting should never be necessary for anything

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I don't blame you

true palm Mar 5, 2021, 10:23 PM

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ur fine, we were all stumped too

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:23 PM

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ok I have another question and I know a fix - just making sure I have to go that way

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ps4 controller on menu uses side to side on the d-pad, doesn't accept up or down

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and since I'm now on 1.2.2.1 I don't have the beta option in controller

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Easy fix would be x360_ce

true palm Mar 5, 2021, 10:24 PM

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i just use ds4windows

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:24 PM

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just making sure I have to do that

digital jewel Mar 5, 2021, 10:24 PM

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you'll have to use ds4windows or some other program

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:24 PM

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alright

haughty fossil Mar 5, 2021, 10:24 PM

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don't use the beta option btw, it can cause crashes on quitout 🥴

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:24 PM

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good to know

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thanks

digital jewel Mar 5, 2021, 10:24 PM

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older patches only have native support for xinput controllers

true palm Mar 5, 2021, 10:25 PM

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alternative is you can rename your hollow knight folder to be the default hollow knight folder every time you want to play a different version to use steam input

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probably more of a hassle than ds4windows

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:25 PM

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I just went with ds4 windows - working fine now, thank you

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that was fun

true palm Mar 5, 2021, 10:25 PM

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ye np, good luck on the runs

snow nacelle Mar 5, 2021, 10:26 PM

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thanks fam <3

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y'all have a nice day, thanks for the help

thorn jasper Mar 5, 2021, 10:33 PM

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snow nacelle the restart fixed it

zote

naive kite Mar 5, 2021, 10:37 PM

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hey does anyone get how to use debug mode to practice any boss

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I watched fireborn's tutorial but i dont get it

last inlet Mar 5, 2021, 10:39 PM

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which patch are you on?

haughty fossil Mar 5, 2021, 10:39 PM

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yeah, set binds in the binds menu to set and load a save state. before entering the bosses' arena, set a save state. then ~~die to wk~~ practice, and once you kill the boss, press load savestate bind

naive kite Mar 5, 2021, 10:39 PM

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1.2.2.1

haughty fossil Mar 5, 2021, 10:39 PM

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if you die, wait to press load savestate until after you stand up off the bench

last inlet Mar 5, 2021, 10:39 PM

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wait do you mean how to use it or how to set the mod up

haughty fossil Mar 5, 2021, 10:39 PM

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otherwise weird things start happening and you get bench storage zote

naive kite Mar 5, 2021, 10:40 PM

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how do I use it

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I already set it up

last inlet Mar 5, 2021, 10:40 PM

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also dont load savestate while hazard respawning or while in a room transition

haughty fossil Mar 5, 2021, 10:40 PM

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press f1 to bring up the menu

last inlet Mar 5, 2021, 10:40 PM

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haughty fossil yeah, set binds in the binds menu to set and load a save state. before entering ...

this then

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binds in that box to the mid-left

haughty fossil Mar 5, 2021, 10:40 PM

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alt+prtsrc only captures foreground window

last inlet Mar 5, 2021, 10:40 PM

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right

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oops

naive kite Mar 5, 2021, 10:40 PM

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yeah my b

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he said something about typing the bosses names?

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but didnt show how

last inlet Mar 5, 2021, 10:41 PM

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you dont need to do that.

haughty fossil Mar 5, 2021, 10:41 PM

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that's for setting dreamgates to come back

naive kite Mar 5, 2021, 10:41 PM

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oh

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ok but now how do I go to a specific boss

haughty fossil Mar 5, 2021, 10:42 PM

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personally i just noclip to the boss i want to practice zote

last inlet Mar 5, 2021, 10:42 PM

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you just have to go there

naive kite Mar 5, 2021, 10:42 PM

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ah ok

last inlet Mar 5, 2021, 10:42 PM

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turn noclip on and go nyoom

naive kite Mar 5, 2021, 10:42 PM

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what is no clip?

haughty fossil Mar 5, 2021, 10:42 PM

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until you have dreamgates set up you either just go there or get someone else's dreamgates file

naive kite Mar 5, 2021, 10:42 PM

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ohhh ok

haughty fossil Mar 5, 2021, 10:42 PM

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cheats > noclip

last inlet Mar 5, 2021, 10:42 PM

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f1, cheats, noclip on

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noclip means you go through everything

naive kite Mar 5, 2021, 10:43 PM

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I think I messed up

haughty fossil Mar 5, 2021, 10:43 PM

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you're out of bounds, go back to being in bounds

last inlet Mar 5, 2021, 10:43 PM

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when did you hit load savestate?

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wait

naive kite Mar 5, 2021, 10:43 PM

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I havent

last inlet Mar 5, 2021, 10:43 PM

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ignore me sorry

naive kite Mar 5, 2021, 10:43 PM

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ah ok

haughty fossil Mar 5, 2021, 10:44 PM

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you have to actually hit loads at the doorway, they don't extend around the edges

last inlet Mar 5, 2021, 10:44 PM

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yeah, just go back the way you were previously coming from

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alternatively force hazard respawn should put you back in the room

naive kite Mar 5, 2021, 10:46 PM

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yeah I got it

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ty :)

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ummm

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can you make multiple save states?

last inlet Mar 5, 2021, 10:49 PM

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i think you can now but i dont remember how

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was introduced very recently iirc

haughty fossil Mar 5, 2021, 10:50 PM

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#resources message

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using this version yes

last inlet Mar 5, 2021, 10:50 PM

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i entirely missed off a word of that first sentence whoops

haughty fossil Mar 5, 2021, 10:51 PM

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message includes a readme link, read it multiple times because i know it took me several feelspkman

naive kite Mar 5, 2021, 10:51 PM

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ah fair

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ty!

amber lotus Mar 5, 2021, 11:34 PM

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Watcher Knights any% grind update. Killing 3 knights fairly consistent now. No kills on today’s grind. But had quite a few attempts get close

last inlet Mar 5, 2021, 11:35 PM

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nice! wk is really just a test of how much can you practise and grind one fight for consistency

silver snow Mar 6, 2021, 12:00 AM

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so early in the any% nmg run, after the 3rd fireball skip in greenpath, is it required to kill the big flying bug with the guy in its mouth? or do ppl do it just for geo

dull lion Mar 6, 2021, 12:01 AM

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Geo

silver snow Mar 6, 2021, 12:02 AM

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im so bad at comboing it

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lol

dull lion Mar 6, 2021, 12:02 AM

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You could do the moss knights instead it’s just a bit slower

silver snow Mar 6, 2021, 12:02 AM

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ahh okay

haughty fossil Mar 6, 2021, 12:03 AM

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it's a lot slower and harder than doing vk slow kill zote

digital jewel Mar 6, 2021, 12:04 AM

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If you don't want to kill vk then the alternative is to get the rocks on the right after the 3rd fireball skip and also the rocks in fungal wastes in the explosion pogo room

silver snow Mar 6, 2021, 12:04 AM

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i found a way to jump off the small flying bugs head, land 3 fireballs, then nail nail

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its slower, but consistent. lol

last inlet Mar 6, 2021, 12:04 AM

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if you make sure to land your fireballs it's not a huge deal if you miss the quick kill

silver snow Mar 6, 2021, 12:05 AM

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yeh, i think this method will work for me. its like prolly 2 seconds slower than the combo fast kill

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eh it does make the geo kinds go everwhere with where he dies though..

digital jewel Mar 6, 2021, 12:09 AM

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The geo route I suggested gives you more overall geo and has no execution required. If you're not going for the vk quick kill then I'd suggest just doing the alternative route

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Otherwise you're losing time and getting less geoa and making things more difficult for yourself

silver snow Mar 6, 2021, 12:13 AM

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oh i see

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yeh so i watched vysuals tutorial and i think he got those rocks

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but now i was watching pest's wr run as a guide to get thru the route again

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so i didn't realize they were different

haughty fossil Mar 6, 2021, 12:14 AM

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vys tutorial is v outdated

silver snow Mar 6, 2021, 12:14 AM

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yeh thats kinda what i thought. was like a year ago

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its why im going thru looking at pests run

haughty fossil Mar 6, 2021, 12:14 AM

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fire's tutorial series is completely up to date to follow the new route

silver snow Mar 6, 2021, 12:14 AM

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rn

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oh okay, ill watch his too

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does taking dmg from the hornet fight matter much btw?

haughty fossil Mar 6, 2021, 12:16 AM

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no, you quit out immediately

snow dome Mar 6, 2021, 12:17 AM

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Yes if you die 👀

silver snow Mar 6, 2021, 12:17 AM

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oh yeh, forget you save quit

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nice

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lol, yeh dying not great

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 12:25 AM

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i only recommended vysuals for the watcher knights fights, i think different perspectives help, but fireborns is more up to date and more thorough

jaunty anvil Mar 6, 2021, 12:29 AM

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yo where can i find an unlock black egg temple or add dreamer in 1221 debug ?

meager plaza Mar 6, 2021, 12:43 AM

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does anyone know how to downpatch on linux? all of the stuff i found is specific to windows, and uses depotdownloader, which I could not get working with wine.

haughty fossil Mar 6, 2021, 12:45 AM

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did you download dotnet for linux

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should run without wine

meager plaza Mar 6, 2021, 12:45 AM

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i have not

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thanks!

haughty fossil Mar 6, 2021, 12:45 AM

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it's recommended to be on windows for speedrunning though, since livesplit can't work on linux unfortunately

meager plaza Mar 6, 2021, 12:48 AM

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yeah

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i'm aware

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thanks for the help

knotty vigil Mar 6, 2021, 1:04 AM

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can i get any tips for the queen's garden acid skip please ? i dont know the specific time for the c dash

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 1:05 AM

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try https://discordapp.com/channels/283467363729408000/283467985224466442/804121924405035020

stiff delta Mar 6, 2021, 1:05 AM

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^

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idk if em mentions it but you can practice getting timing on the wall right above qga wall

jaunty anvil Mar 6, 2021, 1:05 AM

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i was just learning it n i was stuck until i realised it's actually mor lanient than u think

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atleast for me the issue was inputing the cdash 2 early

stiff delta Mar 6, 2021, 1:06 AM

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Thats the usual issue is the cdash timing

jaunty anvil Mar 6, 2021, 1:06 AM

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try just getting cdash as soon as u grab a ledge w/o the acid

stiff delta Mar 6, 2021, 1:06 AM

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Cdash timing is harder than getting the position

jaunty anvil Mar 6, 2021, 1:06 AM

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then u can visualise n understand it n shit

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n then do it w the acid

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QGA is a psyop

knotty vigil Mar 6, 2021, 1:08 AM

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alright, that's really helpful, thank you so much

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i really need to pay attention to the audio cue

jaunty anvil Mar 6, 2021, 1:09 AM

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ALSO can som1 giv me dreamgate data for inside black egg temple

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for 1221 debug

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 1:09 AM

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you can practice on the actual acid wall by turning on invinicibility

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if you use visual cues might be helpful to establish some with that

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Also i personally do QGA on audio cues, i listen for the end of the whoosh on my dash to cheart and the end of the thud to jump

knotty vigil Mar 6, 2021, 1:12 AM

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i only have QGA and dark room skips before i can do a run myself
speaking of dark room skip, do you guys have a tutorial for that too ?

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 1:13 AM

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dark room skip? dont you have lantern?

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 1:13 AM

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what category

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all skill?

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 1:13 AM

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oh all skills

knotty vigil Mar 6, 2021, 1:13 AM

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yea, all skills

haughty fossil Mar 6, 2021, 1:13 AM

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all skills doesn't do qga

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it doesn't even enter that room, and it has isma's anyway

knotty vigil Mar 6, 2021, 1:14 AM

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i wanna try any % NMG and all skills, so at least i wanna learn every trick i can

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 1:14 AM

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*is clueless

haughty fossil Mar 6, 2021, 1:14 AM

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no you dash slash lever skip, you do not have shade cloak

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zote

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 1:14 AM

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nvm

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i dont run it

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dont listen to me lmao

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 1:15 AM

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knotty vigil yea, all skills

which dark room are you looking for, cpeaks dark room? spire dark room? dark deepnest?

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https://youtu.be/G36VuI7XWBQ?t=310 i am assuming cpeaks, you can check out pisces tutorial

YouTube

PiscesFL

All Skills NMG Tutorial Part 8 Descending Dark

Ask questions in the Hollow Knight discord: https://discord.gg/tqbGU89
I do runs on twitch at https://www.twitch.tv/pisces_fl

▶ Play video

knotty vigil Mar 6, 2021, 1:17 AM

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i need dark room for deepnest

thorn jasper Mar 6, 2021, 1:18 AM

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#all-skills has the full playlist pinned

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 1:18 AM

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^

vocal dove Mar 6, 2021, 1:37 AM

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🙃

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bad runs

kind sorrel Mar 6, 2021, 1:39 AM

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hey, I'm looking at getting into NMG runs, how different is the run from the downgraded patch vs the current patch? is it possible to use current patch to get a feel for the route or should i go ahead and immediately downpatch?

thorn jasper Mar 6, 2021, 1:40 AM

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I would just downpatch probably

dry sluice Mar 6, 2021, 1:41 AM

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if you plan to downpatch eventually just downpatch immediately yeah

prime delta Mar 6, 2021, 1:41 AM

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the advantages of 1221 are:

some levers can be hit through walls
you can open inventory in the air, which makes you fall faster
THK is easier (I think?)

the advantages of current patch are:

the game doesn't run like ass

vocal dove Mar 6, 2021, 1:42 AM

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THK is slower and therefor easier

prime delta Mar 6, 2021, 1:42 AM

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That's what I thought but I haven't played pre-lifeblood since the game came out so I wasn't confident

vocal dove Mar 6, 2021, 1:43 AM

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i'd say just downpatch right away because as someone who learned on CP and just switched to 1221, it sucks to pretty much learn the game all over again

last inlet Mar 6, 2021, 1:44 AM

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prime delta the advantages of 1221 are: - some levers can be hit through walls - you can ope...

1221 has easier 2-cycle for any% and epogo

kind sorrel Mar 6, 2021, 1:46 AM

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and i assume fireborn's any% playlist is still applicable?

last inlet Mar 6, 2021, 1:47 AM

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it mostly works for both 1221 and cp

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there's a few small differences between patches but you'll be able to get an idea for the run pretty well

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(specifically the guide works exactly on 1221 and generally converts fairly well to cp)

kind sorrel Mar 6, 2021, 1:51 AM

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gotcha, i'll downpatch and then go from there then

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ty for the help

jaunty anvil Mar 6, 2021, 1:57 AM

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i learned current patch cuz my old laptop couldnt run 1221 then i got a PC n was so invested that i kept running until i was happy w my time

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 1:57 AM

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also fun advantage of CP:
After killing herrah the devout on the left does not respawn, allowing you to cdash left after you kill herrah

jaunty anvil Mar 6, 2021, 1:57 AM

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^ yeah that owned me so hard when swapping to 1221

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main annoying thing is enemy spawn positions being different

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 1:59 AM

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theres enough little differences to mess you up, tried doing a room rando recently, and got hit in dark deepnest because the weaverling spawns are different

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but i've heard current patch isnt as bad as people make it out to be

jaunty anvil Mar 6, 2021, 2:00 AM

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oh god dark rooms w that would ACTUALLY b bad

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that'd b so annoying haha

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 2:01 AM

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it is

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the big room, one weaverling spawns in the gap that you jump up

jaunty anvil Mar 6, 2021, 2:01 AM

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im babyraging over the the tiktik in the room b4 false knight

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lil do i know the darkroom runners r truely suffering

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 2:02 AM

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its not that bad, caught me off guard in the rando

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didnt die or anything

jaunty anvil Mar 6, 2021, 2:02 AM

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heh

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 2:02 AM

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the ground weaverlings are rng anyway

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its the big egg shaped ones that spawn in different spots

jaunty anvil Mar 6, 2021, 2:02 AM

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yaj

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eggs w legs

knotty vigil Mar 6, 2021, 2:31 AM

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does anyone know why this happens?

haughty fossil Mar 6, 2021, 2:31 AM

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interacted with statue while not fully grounded

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wait a tiny bit before interacting

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can happen while dashing too

knotty vigil Mar 6, 2021, 2:31 AM

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oooh, that makes sense

stiff delta Mar 6, 2021, 2:32 AM

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🍝

uncut glade Mar 6, 2021, 2:49 AM

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yes

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 3:12 AM

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what its apb?

fair island Mar 6, 2021, 3:13 AM

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all pantheon bosses

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 3:13 AM

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oh

fair island Mar 6, 2021, 3:13 AM

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so p5 with absrad and zote

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 3:13 AM

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so its 112% with p5 with zote right?

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:13 AM

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ye

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the only 112 category is apb

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theres also godhome ending if you're interested in pantheon runs

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 3:14 AM

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and i can play in steel soul for 112 apb?

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:15 AM

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i dont know if 112 shade skips

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most categories have a trick that involves killing yourself

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in fact its so major that any% steel soul and any% have completely different routes and times

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 3:15 AM

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the only one shade skip its the one in salubra right?

normal aspen Mar 6, 2021, 3:15 AM

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112 is steel soul

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:16 AM

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there you go

normal aspen Mar 6, 2021, 3:16 AM

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but startimng off u can pb with several deaths

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 3:16 AM

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normal aspen 112 is steel soul

like must be in steel soul?

stark birch Mar 6, 2021, 3:16 AM

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112 isn't required steel soul, to be clear; but there are no required shade skips

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 3:16 AM

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ohh ok

normal aspen Mar 6, 2021, 3:16 AM

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no it just has no intentional deaths

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 3:17 AM

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ok thx to all grublove

normal aspen Mar 6, 2021, 3:17 AM

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ins0mn2Love

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 3:17 AM

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also measuring with splits its necessary?

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:18 AM

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we use a loadless timer, and it has a built in autosplitter

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its not required to have splits, but is highly recommended, and if you dont run with the loadless timer, your run is measured rta

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which loses quite a bit of time

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 3:19 AM

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true palm we use a loadless timer, and it has a built in autosplitter

what that means its automatic? like i dont have to change the splits manually?

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:20 AM

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not that you dont have to change the splits, but that the timer automatically ends the split for you

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 3:20 AM

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ohh ok

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:20 AM

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ie the second you get vs, it splits, at the same time, every time, in theory, and same thing for killing thk or almost any major action in the game

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having splits is helpful because its general practice for all runners of a category to use the same splits so they can compare to each other

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 3:22 AM

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and where i can find the general splits for 112% apb? just watch some speedrun?

fair island Mar 6, 2021, 3:23 AM

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speedrun.com

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:23 AM

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iirc long categories like 1xx ones should have their splits online, but for shorter ones like any% you just make them yourself

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you dont need to download any extra software, the autosplitter will be install-able when you select Hollow Knight in Livesplit,

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 3:25 AM

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ok thx again

thorn jasper Mar 6, 2021, 3:26 AM

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fair island speedrun.com

depending on what route you follow, those might not line up perfectly

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:27 AM

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just a friendly tip, dont have to take it seriously because i ignored it myself, but 1xx categories arent the most beginner friendly from what i've been told, you should check out all skills or any% for your first run

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if you're hearts set on a category though you should run it, thats what i did with low%

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 3:29 AM

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well i want to do the speedrun most for fun than seariulsy and 112% looks more easier to do bcs of the skips than any% for example

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:30 AM

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any% skips aren't that bad honestly, current patch you can skip epogo, and the fireball skips all have backups

normal aspen Mar 6, 2021, 3:30 AM

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yeah any% isnt that hard, just do yeepnest

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:32 AM

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any% is a beginner category for a reason, it has lots of other routes like nail one, deepnest, lots of backup strategies, you can go around for epogo, and is going to be significantly less time consuming than 112, and it has lots of resources for new runners

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 3:32 AM

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hmm ok im gonna take a look for any% current patch

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:33 AM

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start with fireborns any% guide, and we can walk you through some of the current patch differences as you go along

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 3:33 AM

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i like any% because there are only 2 skips that you can't really skip, the salubra shade skip and fog canyon skip. Everything else is basically optional. People have also done a lot of work finding alternate route that makes it easier

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 3:34 AM

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the shade skip really scare me not gonna lie haha

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:34 AM

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its honestly not that hard to learn with debug mod on

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 3:34 AM

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haha it's really not that terrible, you can always try it out and see for yourself

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(TE shade skip is pretty rough though, just don't do that one to start)

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 3:35 AM

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TE?

fair island Mar 6, 2021, 3:35 AM

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true ending

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:35 AM

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(Great Hopper% Shadeskips even worse)

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 3:35 AM

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oh

normal aspen Mar 6, 2021, 3:35 AM

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low% ab shade skip ax1uWide3

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 3:36 AM

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zote

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true ending does the shade skip without mantis claw, so we can have dream nail going into fungal wastes and get elder hu on the way

normal aspen Mar 6, 2021, 3:36 AM

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yeah gh% does it without dash either

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 3:37 AM

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yea, which makes it even more cursed lol

normal aspen Mar 6, 2021, 3:37 AM

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low% ab does it with only one cast of VS

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:37 AM

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low% doesnt do it because gruz mother is a bully and blocks us

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 3:44 AM

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Ok, I feel like I'm very possibly an idiot

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the 50 geo tollboth is in the dark and I can't buy it but I thought you got lumafly after crystal peaks?

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true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:45 AM

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no you get lumafly before peaks

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 3:45 AM

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What route

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 3:45 AM

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good to know

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 3:45 AM

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Uhh

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Oh

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 3:45 AM

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Any% NMG

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 3:45 AM

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Yea, buy before peaks

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:45 AM

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if youre running all skills you ddive the floor

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iirc

hearty adder Mar 6, 2021, 3:46 AM

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In any% you go first to Lemm, sell your stuff, buy lantern, and then go to cpeaks through toll

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 3:46 AM

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Ok im just literally an idiot

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xD

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 3:46 AM

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xD it’s ok

hearty adder Mar 6, 2021, 3:46 AM

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That's fine, it happens to everyone

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 3:46 AM

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I'm familiarizing myself with the route

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:46 AM

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no its fine you're learning the route its whatever

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 3:46 AM

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and

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I was on green

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and then started going blue

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and got very very confused

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 3:46 AM

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Blue what

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 3:46 AM

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from stag

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the lines

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on the any% guide map

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I was following green and I got to the stag station and then was leaving

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:47 AM

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i recommend using your split names to give you guidance

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 3:47 AM

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and went on blue instead of going down because I'm an idiot

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 3:47 AM

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lmao wtf is happening on this map, i have never seen it before

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 3:47 AM

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it's confusing until it's not

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xD

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:47 AM

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its chaotic as heck, i cant learn routes that way

twin swallow Mar 6, 2021, 3:47 AM

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Eventually muscle memory will carry you to your destination

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:47 AM

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i just watch videos and copy the movement over and over till its memorized

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 3:47 AM

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I stared at it for a good 5 minutes before I realized

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 3:47 AM

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the arrow from peaks to dirtmouth is probably telling to sq back to dirtmouth and go to monomon

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not to buy lantern

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 3:48 AM

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OH I have another question, I thought on 1.2.2.1 you did the exploding mushroom pogo

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to get to mantis claw

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 3:48 AM

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yep

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 3:48 AM

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but it just explodes

twin swallow Mar 6, 2021, 3:48 AM

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You pogo the spore and the explosion one time each

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 3:48 AM

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my game and computer hate me

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:48 AM

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you should really watch fireborns guides, it'll help you out a lot

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 3:48 AM

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alright

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 3:49 AM

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fireb0rn's guides are really long but also really detailed

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:49 AM

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i think learning any route in this game as your first one from a text guide is going to be difficult

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his guides are timestamped though

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 3:49 AM

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I don't mind the straight lines on the map

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they make sense until I don't know what room I'm in anymore xD

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:49 AM

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so if you dont need to learn all 4 epogos then dont learn them all

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 3:50 AM

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fair

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I wasn't planning on it

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:50 AM

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anyways just watch his tutorial

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 3:50 AM

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I am getting into it because I've been watching him play the runs

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so I know everything it entails

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:50 AM

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in his guides, he gives the visual cues

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as well as other ways to practice the trick, like the different walls to cdash off of for qga

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 4:07 AM

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what are the differences between current patch and using 1.2.2.1 in any% like what tricks/skips i cant do?

naive kite Mar 6, 2021, 4:13 AM

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hey can anyone help me understand what I am doing wrong in this part of the run?

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I swear my movement is right but I am always like 3 frames off from completing the cycle without getting hit

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 4:15 AM

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a video might help more in diagnosing

naive kite Mar 6, 2021, 4:18 AM

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yeah I know I was hoping if anyone wants to vc while I stream it real quick

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cause I just dont get it

stiff delta Mar 6, 2021, 4:20 AM

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Dont hesitate, the little jump to the ledge is a little precise, and dont do a full jump over the first goam, just do a jump thats high enough to get over it

naive kite Mar 6, 2021, 4:21 AM

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yeah thats what I am doing

stiff delta Mar 6, 2021, 4:21 AM

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iirc if you do it right you should land in the divot of the 3rd goam thing

naive kite Mar 6, 2021, 4:22 AM

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ok!

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I still can't get it

stiff delta Mar 6, 2021, 4:30 AM

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If you wanna stream in discord i can watch and give feedback (ill be muted but ill type it)

naive kite Mar 6, 2021, 4:30 AM

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yeah that works

stiff delta Mar 6, 2021, 4:33 AM

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That time was a fulljump over the first goam

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If you jump too high you dont make it to the ground in time, so you cant jump over the second time

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Not a shorthop either, it has to be like a midlevel jump

gray hare Mar 6, 2021, 4:35 AM

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stiff delta Not a shorthop either, it has to be like a midlevel jump

sounds tricky

stiff delta Mar 6, 2021, 4:37 AM

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Nice!

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good job dude

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and ye it is tricky but eventually you get a feel for it

gray hare Mar 6, 2021, 4:37 AM

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well done that looked hard as hell

stiff delta Mar 6, 2021, 4:38 AM

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you’re doing good

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im gonna head out from vc, gl on the rest of practice

gray hare Mar 6, 2021, 4:38 AM

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practice makes perfect you know

naive kite Mar 6, 2021, 4:38 AM

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ty!

thin garnet Mar 6, 2021, 5:20 AM

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I need a bit of help with watcher knight for... i think any percent nmg on switch

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Or whatever the switch catagory is

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Ive already watched stuff like fireb0rn's video but when its multiple knights at a time my brain get hurt

thorn jasper Mar 6, 2021, 5:23 AM

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Well if you're sad and want food that will deter from your performance. Otherwise, when you are not sad and hungry, it will have to come down to practice

thin garnet Mar 6, 2021, 5:23 AM

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Ah i see

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Thank you for the tip of G I T G U D

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Thats actually smart im just tired and am dumb right now

thorn jasper Mar 6, 2021, 5:24 AM

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Sorry, I didn't mean it as dismissive or condescending

thin garnet Mar 6, 2021, 5:24 AM

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No no no

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you are right

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 5:24 AM

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I mean, If you have a specific question or something you can't deal with with wk, or post a video of your practice we might be able to offer more insight 🙂

thin garnet Mar 6, 2021, 5:25 AM

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Nah i just need more practice i think because i havent had much time to practice

twin swallow Mar 6, 2021, 5:51 AM

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any% wks are unironically one of the hardest fights for a new speedrunner to learn. we've all been through that struggle, you'll get it soon enough

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try to keep both knights on the same side as you, and cast fireball to hit them both

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your fireball with shaman stone does 4x more damage than a nail hit

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don't go for risky heals when more than 1 wk is alive, and focus more on dodging and dealing damage to kill them before they give you an awful pattern you just can't dodge

weary root Mar 6, 2021, 5:54 AM

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twin swallow any% wks are unironically one of the hardest fights for a new speedrunner to lea...

Not if we never learn any% feelspkman

twin swallow Mar 6, 2021, 5:56 AM

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you win this round 😒

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 6:25 AM

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how many time save using the acid skip to queen garden?

twin swallow Mar 6, 2021, 6:26 AM

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roughly 40 seconds on patch 1221, a bit less on current patch

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 6:26 AM

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ok thx

dull lion Mar 6, 2021, 8:11 AM

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I’ve never ran any% but have done any% watchers in rando a bunch... there is no escaping

fair island Mar 6, 2021, 9:27 AM

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?srpsa

sick ravenBOT Mar 6, 2021, 9:27 AM

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Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

gusty rampart Mar 6, 2021, 9:28 AM

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<@&283547423706447872>

plucky moss Mar 6, 2021, 9:36 AM

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Thanks

pine shore Mar 6, 2021, 9:42 AM

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How long does it approx. take to setup livesplit with autosplit for hk?

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 9:43 AM

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depends on category

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and like, how fancy you want it to look

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assuming a pretty generic layout for any%, probably like 10 minutes

gusty rampart Mar 6, 2021, 9:44 AM

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plucky moss Thanks

Np

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 9:44 AM

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ofc you are going to spend more time making splits if your route has more splits

onyx spade Mar 6, 2021, 9:46 AM

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hello I'm new to speedrunning and I got a time I'm really happy with, so I wanted to share

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 9:48 AM

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woah, nice. if you have a 46 you are probably not that new lol

onyx spade Mar 6, 2021, 9:49 AM

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thank you

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also is this a major glitch? https://clips.twitch.tv/CheerfulCleanOwlTwitchRaid-UyUIgSHwI86dvVHR I inventory dropped into spikes and had a weird interaction with a bench

Twitch

quatopine - major glitch?

Watch quatopine's clip titled "major glitch?"

▶ Play video

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 9:50 AM

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bench storage lmao

onyx spade Mar 6, 2021, 9:50 AM

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there's a name for it lol

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 9:52 AM

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Pretty sure that's a major glitch, but you might want to check with src mods first. I feel like the run may be penalized or invalidated since you were able to skip the animation of getting off the bench with it.

onyx spade Mar 6, 2021, 9:52 AM

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monkaS

pine shore Mar 6, 2021, 9:52 AM

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tardy sable assuming a pretty generic layout for any%, probably like 10 minutes

thank you

onyx spade Mar 6, 2021, 9:52 AM

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I'll just get a better time then 🙂

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 9:53 AM

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yea, but again you should probably wait to hear what a src mod say first (they are all asleep rn)

onyx spade Mar 6, 2021, 9:55 AM

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well thank you for answering my question

digital jewel Mar 6, 2021, 10:02 AM

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Dropping into spikes there is not worth it anyway

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So you're risking doing a major glitch for no benefit

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 10:07 AM

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Also this happened today. I have no idea how i got that wall cling storage right there. Probably the weirdest one i have gotten yet.

steady lynx Mar 6, 2021, 11:22 AM

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Sliding off walls sometimes gives WCS for no reason

near maple Mar 6, 2021, 2:18 PM

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Hey I want get into speed running what category would y’all recommend to begin with

ionic cargo Mar 6, 2021, 2:19 PM

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all skills is easiest

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any% nmg also isnt too bad

near maple Mar 6, 2021, 2:19 PM

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Ok thank you

ionic cargo Mar 6, 2021, 2:19 PM

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check the pins for guides

hushed onyx Mar 6, 2021, 2:25 PM

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I would recommend low% pepegamaster

ionic cargo Mar 6, 2021, 2:25 PM

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elderC

twin swallow Mar 6, 2021, 2:31 PM

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All skills is more focused on platforming and has some tricks and skips you need to learn
Any% is more about practicing boss fights with little equipment

rugged crow Mar 6, 2021, 2:31 PM

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Whatever category peaks your interest most tbh. There are most likely guides or people willing to help you learn.

normal aspen Mar 6, 2021, 2:32 PM

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low% EtV

hushed onyx Mar 6, 2021, 2:38 PM

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Yep

vocal dove Mar 6, 2021, 2:39 PM

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any% boring, true ending too hard, i might mess around and learn all skills

ionic cargo Mar 6, 2021, 2:40 PM

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the only ''hard'' part of all skills is hornet 2

vocal dove Mar 6, 2021, 2:41 PM

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i'm sure it helps to have dive tho

hushed onyx Mar 6, 2021, 2:41 PM

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hornetdab

ionic cargo Mar 6, 2021, 2:41 PM

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you have ddark by the time you get to hornet 2

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 2:44 PM

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hornet 2 is difficult to have a really solid time on because spacing is pretty challenging, since shes known to parry spells and kinda just beat you up, but shes definitely easier for most to just beat than watcher knights

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 2:47 PM

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hushed onyx I would recommend low% <:pepegamaster:793794436446158878>

low% is not a beginner category, theres not enough resources out there, watcher knights is absolutely brutal, and the route is pretty committed with dark deepnest , in addition to uumuu being significantly harder, along with epogo and mantis pogo, over all you trade not having to learn optimal dash timings for a harder route. I dont think its the most difficult category, i started with it, but its not for the faint of heart

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i will say its not as hard as people make it out to be

hushed onyx Mar 6, 2021, 2:47 PM

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true palm low% is not a beginner category, theres not enough resources out there, watcher ...

that is why I added the pepega at the end

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 2:48 PM

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i was giving context as to why though

hushed onyx Mar 6, 2021, 2:48 PM

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ok fair

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 2:48 PM

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i understand its a joke

hushed onyx Mar 6, 2021, 2:48 PM

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yeah low% is brutal

vocal dove Mar 6, 2021, 2:48 PM

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don't you have to do some insane fireball skips in queens station too?

hushed onyx Mar 6, 2021, 2:48 PM

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but I guess with some practice, it can be possible

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 2:49 PM

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queens station isnt that bad

hushed onyx Mar 6, 2021, 2:49 PM

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I don't think it is about the fireball skips

ionic cargo Mar 6, 2021, 2:49 PM

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its a triple firball right?

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 2:49 PM

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queens station is a triple fireball, but its lax enough that you can even fireball once the wrong direction and maybe still make it

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current patch low% had to do a worse one in mantis village, until insomnia found an insane current patch epogo for low%

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i think for a lot of people the crystal peak one is harder, because its a) late into the run and b) in queens station, if you claw grip, you have time to move hands during the transitions, but to claw grip the cpeak one you have to move your left hand into position while platforming

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overall i think if you're able to hit singles on the any% skips than the low% ones should be a breeze to learn

limpid ruin Mar 6, 2021, 3:05 PM

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ionic cargo the only ''hard'' part of all skills is hornet 2

Okay, now do all skills fast, ez vesselsip

vocal dove Mar 6, 2021, 3:20 PM

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i accidentally overwrote my 1221 with debug mod, i can just download a new 1221 right?

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:25 PM

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ye

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if you copied your 1221 out of the depot folder and didnt cut

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C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\content\app_367520\depot_367521

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there should still be an install right there

vocal dove Mar 6, 2021, 3:27 PM

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yeah i cut it 😕

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:27 PM

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rip

vocal dove Mar 6, 2021, 3:27 PM

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it definitely helps to have good file organization when doing this stuff

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:28 PM

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it definitely helps

vocal dove Mar 6, 2021, 3:41 PM

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i will say for anyone struggling with fireball skips like me, debug + infinite soul is the best way to get consistent with them

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 3:44 PM

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As someone who was previously incompetent at fireball skips and is still shocked every time he lands Queens Station skip to this day, if you're struggling with the any% skips, you're just not turning around fast enough and falling too far most likely. Just practice doing a chain of clean turnarounds (similar to what you do for Queens Station) and you'll have an easier time.

vocal dove Mar 6, 2021, 3:54 PM

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i'll definitely practice those turnarounds then

limpid ruin Mar 6, 2021, 4:35 PM

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use alt+enter to toggle fullscreen on and off

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also you cant do runs with debug or modding api, so remember to switch that back to vanilla for runs crakieLurk

vocal dove Mar 6, 2021, 5:09 PM

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cerp do you know how i can get my cursor back on screen without alt+tab?

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or pausing lol

limpid ruin Mar 6, 2021, 5:16 PM

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hmmm

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back on screen how? like off to the side for things like interneting?

vocal dove Mar 6, 2021, 5:19 PM

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nah, over the game window. like, live split pops up asking if i want to save and i can't click on it without tabbing out

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can't even press enter for that matter

cloud pollen Mar 6, 2021, 6:34 PM

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Can anyone help me downpatch to 1.2.2.1, I cant seem to figure it out on GOG galaxy client

haughty fossil Mar 6, 2021, 6:34 PM

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do you own it on GOG

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or steam

cloud pollen Mar 6, 2021, 6:35 PM

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I own it on steam

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then I just connected my account

haughty fossil Mar 6, 2021, 6:35 PM

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then you have to use steam method

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gog method only works for a gog copy

cloud pollen Mar 6, 2021, 6:36 PM

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Oh I see

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okay I will go search up thanks

leaden python Mar 6, 2021, 6:36 PM

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pls someone add this to downpatching guide or to faq already

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It's the same confusion every day

thorn jasper Mar 6, 2021, 6:38 PM

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I think @digital jewel would have to edit https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 7:52 PM

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I'm refollowing Fire's guide because after I got the patch installed yesterday, I took a break instead of worrying about the debug menu - the google drive links are down for the modding api though.

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says it's in the owner's trash

meager current Mar 6, 2021, 7:53 PM

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ye the drive owner was an old mod i think

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mustve deleted it fsr

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 7:54 PM

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alright, is there another way to get it currently

haughty fossil Mar 6, 2021, 7:54 PM

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top pin in #archived-modding-development

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 7:55 PM

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lmao I didn't see pin at first so I was scrolling

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thank you

limpid ruin Mar 6, 2021, 8:30 PM

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snow nacelle I'm refollowing Fire's guide because after I got the patch installed yesterday, ...

1221 or current patch?

kind sorrel Mar 6, 2021, 9:00 PM

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can you still get steam achievements on older patches? (specifically 1221)

last inlet Mar 6, 2021, 9:01 PM

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i believe so

digital jewel Mar 6, 2021, 9:02 PM

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yes

grizzled maple Mar 6, 2021, 9:04 PM

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just obviously not the godhome related ones

kind sorrel Mar 6, 2021, 9:17 PM

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yeah just tested it works

oak fjord Mar 6, 2021, 9:30 PM

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I downloaded the 1.2.2.1 version to try speedrunning, i have it in a separated folder, if i play in that older version my other files from steam will be deleted?

digital jewel Mar 6, 2021, 9:31 PM

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do you mean your saves?

oak fjord Mar 6, 2021, 9:31 PM

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yep (srry if my English is bad im not really good at it qwq)

grizzled maple Mar 6, 2021, 9:32 PM

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just back up the saves you don't want to lose. you can find those here:

sick ravenBOT Mar 6, 2021, 9:32 PM

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Saves

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

grizzled maple Mar 6, 2021, 9:33 PM

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hk is really easy to manage since every save file is it's own thing. you'll likely be replacing the slots with practice files once you start really getting into it

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the only important thing is not to open a current patch file on 1221. it will likely corrupt it and it will just load forever. you can open older patch files on new patches though.

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 9:48 PM

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limpid ruin 1221 or current patch?

sorry, I missed your message - It got handled but I am on 1221

limpid ruin Mar 6, 2021, 9:49 PM

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good to hear ax2uHappy

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if you want the most up-to-date debug and moddingapi versions you can find them in #resources btw, unless youre building from source/developing, the modding-dev pin might be problematic

dark nebula Mar 6, 2021, 10:00 PM

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i beat rad in 21:57 GMT

thorn jasper Mar 6, 2021, 10:02 PM

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so, five minutes ago? gg

stiff delta Mar 6, 2021, 10:09 PM

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Slaurent do you just know how timezones work

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Also gg black flame

grizzled maple Mar 6, 2021, 10:09 PM

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timezones are fake. in order for them to be real the earth would need to be a sphere

haughty fossil Mar 6, 2021, 10:10 PM

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no em the sun is like a stage spotlight that rotates to go around the north pole

stiff delta Mar 6, 2021, 10:11 PM

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Earth is gods musical

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 10:16 PM

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my run got verified pogtamer
https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes/run/zgx83njm

speedrun.com

Speedrunning leaderboards, resources, forums, and more!

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its only 29th out of 33 though grubsad

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 10:18 PM

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when i have to activate the timer?

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 10:18 PM

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gloomy bane when i have to activate the timer?

it automatically activated when a new game starts

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 10:18 PM

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not sure the timings on IL's

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 10:18 PM

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hmm gonna try

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 10:19 PM

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but timer should automatically start

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make sure to open livesplit AFTER hollow Knight

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 10:19 PM

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oh

grizzled maple Mar 6, 2021, 10:19 PM

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for IL's you usually start it on a load

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 10:19 PM

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blue name when? quirrelgroovin

regal viper Mar 6, 2021, 10:19 PM

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Yooooo I killed watchers once shroompog

grizzled maple Mar 6, 2021, 10:20 PM

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specifically PoP is from the load into PoP ending autosplit
pantheons will start and stop automatically with the proper splits
colos are from load to final boss death

alpine totem Mar 6, 2021, 10:20 PM

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I still need to kill watchers on my playthrough

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 10:20 PM

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hmm it didnt start automatic

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 10:20 PM

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gloomy bane hmm it didnt start automatic

are you doing an IL?

grizzled maple Mar 6, 2021, 10:20 PM

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for what

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 10:21 PM

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il?

grizzled maple Mar 6, 2021, 10:21 PM

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yes which IL

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 10:21 PM

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it only starts automatically if you make a new game file

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 10:21 PM

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oh yeah

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nvm

grizzled maple Mar 6, 2021, 10:21 PM

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no

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 10:21 PM

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it works

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 10:21 PM

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IL's stand for "Individual Level", think path of pain, pantheons, coliseum, etc.

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 10:21 PM

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now im ready for my first any% nmg current patch :D

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 10:22 PM

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Good luck with your run

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 10:22 PM

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true palm IL's stand for "Individual Level", think path of pain, pantheons, coliseum, etc.

IL's on the boards are kp, wp, colo's, pop, and gp, right?

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 10:23 PM

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KP isnt an IL its a category extension

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 10:23 PM

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its an il in extentions though

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 10:23 PM

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the timer also stop automatic?

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when i kill thk

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 10:23 PM

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gloomy bane the timer also stop automatic?

yeah, it automatically stops when you absorb thk and the ending cutscene starts.

gloomy bane Mar 6, 2021, 10:23 PM

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nice

grizzled maple Mar 6, 2021, 10:23 PM

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it ends on any ending

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 10:24 PM

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grizzled maple it ends on any ending

knightyes

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 10:25 PM

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@verbal junco considering its the only "IL" in extensions i think we'd both be right lol

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 10:25 PM

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true palm <@!545043175841071106> considering its the only "IL" in extensions i think we'd ...

fair enough

last inlet Mar 6, 2021, 10:26 PM

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the 24h run on kp boards zote

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 10:26 PM

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zote

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mine is 1:03 shadecry
so long

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too long

oak fjord Mar 6, 2021, 10:41 PM

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grizzled maple just back up the saves you don't want to lose. you can find those here:

Thx uwu, im gonna try it right now

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 10:42 PM

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can i get my blu name shadecry

hearty adder Mar 6, 2021, 10:42 PM

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wait until a mod sees your message, they will in due time

twin swallow Mar 6, 2021, 10:43 PM

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Ping one if you're feeling lucky (:

haughty fossil Mar 6, 2021, 10:43 PM

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🙃

hearty adder Mar 6, 2021, 10:44 PM

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verbal junco too long

Hey, KP is one of, if not the most, optimized room in the game due to being the very first one runs start on. 1:03 is pretty nice, not to mention you can get better over time shroompog

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 10:44 PM

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hearty adder Hey, KP is one of, if not the most, optimized room in the game due to being the ...

pogtamer

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 10:45 PM

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idk i've optimize some rooms pretty hard in low%, i dont think theres any time save in some of them, i'm really good at holding right

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 10:45 PM

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i knew i wouldnt get that good at a time because everyone with a good kp time runs 1.12.whatever and i run current patch

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 10:46 PM

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its not that, its that every major category goes through kings pass at the start of every run, and because its the start people hyperfocus on the time in kingspass

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 10:47 PM

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fair enough

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 10:47 PM

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you'll see people reset to the vengefly being too far left, even though its at most a 1 second time loss

haughty fossil Mar 6, 2021, 10:47 PM

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kp current patch board when 😤

twin swallow Mar 6, 2021, 10:47 PM

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Be the change Jamie

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You have the power

haughty fossil Mar 6, 2021, 10:47 PM

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no i don't

twin swallow Mar 6, 2021, 10:48 PM

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shhhhhhh

haughty fossil Mar 6, 2021, 10:48 PM

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i am but a mere verifier

hearty adder Mar 6, 2021, 10:48 PM

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how many 1432 kp runs are there anyways

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 10:48 PM

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almost half of them are 1432

hearty adder Mar 6, 2021, 10:49 PM

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also would having better framerate/game performance make kp faster? because every video i see has way faster vengeflies than me angwy

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 10:49 PM

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venegfly speed increases with fps

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but anything above 300 fps messes with baldurs

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so if you have vsync on you might lose a little time but outside of that its negligible

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 10:53 PM

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ok

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good to know

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 11:01 PM

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As a general rule of thumb, if its in Hollow Knight, its fps dependent. Capping framerate is important, the major cycle you cant make if your fps is too high is you wont be able to upslash the baldur in mound

quiet saddle Mar 6, 2021, 11:02 PM

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I remember wondering why fireb0rn emphasizes to NOT use pogo strats on Watcher Knights

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And after grinding this fight for 6 hours, I see why

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Pogo'ing makes life so much easier ugsSadge

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 11:02 PM

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Pogoing is inconsistent

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and slower

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 11:02 PM

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how do i do the explosion pogo and the fast aspid arena?
those are the 2 main things i cant do in earlygame

hearty adder Mar 6, 2021, 11:02 PM

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Pogoing is very slow

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 11:02 PM

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(current patch btw)

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 11:02 PM

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I have ran into another issue

I don't have savestates as an option my binding menu but me and the fire in the video are both on 1.3.3 for the debug mod

hearty adder Mar 6, 2021, 11:03 PM

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verbal junco how do i do the explosion pogo and the fast aspid arena? those are the 2 main th...

Which patch?

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 11:03 PM

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hearty adder Which patch?

current

quiet saddle Mar 6, 2021, 11:03 PM

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true palm and slower

Yea I get that, I just didn't know why he emphasized it so much

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But it's cuz the temptation of pogo'ing

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Is so high

hearty adder Mar 6, 2021, 11:03 PM

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snow nacelle I have ran into another issue I don't have savestates as an option my binding m...

you're using another version of the debug mod

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 11:03 PM

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it's the exact same text...

haughty fossil Mar 6, 2021, 11:04 PM

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yeah but no

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use the version in #resources

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they didn't bother to update the getversion() zote

hearty adder Mar 6, 2021, 11:04 PM

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verbal junco current

epogo with vsync:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uztaN_toC_U

YouTube

emray

Current Patch Explosion Pogo Tutorial

This mainly applies to console which is locked at 60 fps. Your fps = your knockback, and lower fps = more knockback, making this trick not only possible but consistent on consoles. With really terrible fps on pc this version should still be possible. Also when talking about dot #1 I said right instead of left because I'm dumb. Hope this video is...

▶ Play video

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 11:04 PM

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@quiet saddle not just that but you're not learning the fight, if you know how to do the fight correctly you will almost never die, pogoing involves lots of RNG, because you can be forced into situations where you will get hit and be unable to react

hearty adder Mar 6, 2021, 11:05 PM

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epogo without vsync:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wdfFMLblz4

YouTube

valignatev2

Hollow Knight Current Patch Explosion Pogo Tutorial

Somewhat detailed explanation of current patch epogo strat, as found by Pantaloonybin. Original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jVHy8ZS640
......

You might also found vsync-based setup easier, check out this tutorial by Emray: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uztaN_toC_U

▶ Play video

limpid ruin Mar 6, 2021, 11:05 PM

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getversion() is fundamentally broken so nothing to update lol ax2uHappy

hearty adder Mar 6, 2021, 11:05 PM

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verbal junco how do i do the explosion pogo and the fast aspid arena? those are the 2 main th...

Also, can you record yourself doing the aspid arena? So we can point out what the problem is exactly

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 11:05 PM

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ok - I just got that version, one second

haughty fossil Mar 6, 2021, 11:05 PM

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limpid ruin getversion() is fundamentally broken so nothing to update lol <:ax2uHappy:716028...

think

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 11:05 PM

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says it failed to load...

haughty fossil Mar 6, 2021, 11:06 PM

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you might need to use the modding api in #resources too

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zote

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when the google drive is horrendously out of date

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 11:06 PM

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I got the modding api from modding-development

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 11:06 PM

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ye dont do that

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 11:06 PM

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I was told tyo

haughty fossil Mar 6, 2021, 11:06 PM

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#resources message

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 11:06 PM

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to

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to solve another issue earlier xD

haughty fossil Mar 6, 2021, 11:06 PM

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sorry i told you to do that zote

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 11:07 PM

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painnnn

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nah you good

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just hitting my head into a brick wall, no worries xD

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 11:07 PM

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hearty adder Also, can you record yourself doing the aspid arena? So we can point out what th...

i dont pogo on the first aspid + idk where to hit the wall so the spikes go down

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 11:08 PM

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the second you jump on the platform underneath the spike it will start falling

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so you jump to the platform once you see the second wave spawn, and jump up and turn around to hit the spike once you pass the middle of the platform

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 11:09 PM

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where would the ModLog.txt be

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because I updated to the new modding api - it's different numbers in the upper left

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but It still says failed to load

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 11:09 PM

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true palm so you jump to the platform once you see the second wave spawn, and jump up and ...

which platform

haughty fossil Mar 6, 2021, 11:09 PM

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?saves

sick ravenBOT Mar 6, 2021, 11:09 PM

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Saves

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

haughty fossil Mar 6, 2021, 11:09 PM

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snow nacelle where would the ModLog.txt be

save files

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 11:10 PM

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📎 ModLog.txt

hearty adder Mar 6, 2021, 11:10 PM

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verbal junco which platform

the lower left platform

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 11:10 PM

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hearty adder the lower left platform

kk

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 11:11 PM

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verbal junco which platform

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ley-RlVA4HE you can watch this, the big difference between current patch and 1221 is that you dont have to hit the spike instantly

YouTube

Ax2u

consistent aspid arena double spike kill explanation (1.2.2.1)

shoutouts to fire, pest, tombo and others for helping figure this one out

▶ Play video

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 11:11 PM

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do i have to pogo on the first aspid?

hearty adder Mar 6, 2021, 11:11 PM

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You just have to kill it, it doesn't matter for the second wave

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 11:11 PM

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k

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 11:11 PM

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ignore what he says at the end about where the spike lands

hearty adder Mar 6, 2021, 11:11 PM

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pogoing it at the start is a good idea, then you can adjust your strategy (pogo more or slash normally) accordingly

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The good thing about cp double spike is that it's way more lenient than 1221, i'm sure you'll get it in no time shroompog

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 11:13 PM

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the reason you dont see guides for it is because a) current patch and b) its easier to pick up

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 11:14 PM

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ok

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it's still failing to load the mod

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 11:14 PM

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ty

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 11:14 PM

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also - thanks for the video, I was struggling with that as well

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<3

limpid ruin Mar 6, 2021, 11:15 PM

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its not loading the api at all basically ax2uHmm

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 11:15 PM

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my computer hates me so that makes sense

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 11:15 PM

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how do i show my golds in a split collumn for livesplit i forgot the option that does that soulpensive

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 11:15 PM

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what

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 11:16 PM

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It is in the upper left in game though

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 11:16 PM

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verbal junco how do i show my golds in a split collumn for livesplit i forgot the option that...

you can compare against best segments or add a separate gold column

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 11:17 PM

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true palm you can compare against best segments or add a separate gold column

my +/- is comparing against pb's, i'm asking how to show those pb's in a column

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 11:18 PM

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snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 11:19 PM

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YOUR TIMER IS SO BEAUTIFUL

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 11:19 PM

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so you can 1) add a new column, or b) set a column to current comparison and compare against golds

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 11:19 PM

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snow nacelle YOUR TIMER IS SO BEAUTIFUL

also thanks, i can send you the image/layout if you want

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 11:20 PM

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I wouldn't mind it but I also don't mean to devalue yours by using the exact same layout...

thorn jasper Mar 6, 2021, 11:20 PM

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tardy sable what

you didn't get close enough to get the initial aggro, so the first fireball was wasted

snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 11:20 PM

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if you're fine with it though - it's amazing

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 11:20 PM

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snow nacelle I wouldn't mind it but I also don't mean to devalue yours by using the exact sam...

i literally use 6-7 different split pictures, and also swap between transparent ones, i wouldnt mind you using that one

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 11:20 PM

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it didnt work

tardy sable Mar 6, 2021, 11:20 PM

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thorn jasper you didn't get close enough to get the initial aggro, so the first fireball was ...

kinda interesting, i feel like I always drop the same way, and just this time he didn't open, probably do need to get closer

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would have been a gold cloak split otherwise lol

thorn jasper Mar 6, 2021, 11:21 PM

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tardy sable kinda interesting, i feel like I always drop the same way, and just this time he...

I could be wrong about the aggro zone

thorn jasper Mar 6, 2021, 11:21 PM

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tardy sable would have been a gold cloak split otherwise lol

this is why we have a greenpath area split vesselsip

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 11:21 PM

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verbal junco it didnt work

right click on splits -> edit layout -> layout settings -> splits, and then scroll down

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 11:21 PM

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true palm right click on splits -> edit layout -> layout settings -> splits, and then scro...

no i already did

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 11:22 PM

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can you show me your split columns

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 11:22 PM

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snow nacelle Mar 6, 2021, 11:22 PM

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true palm i literally use 6-7 different split pictures, and also swap between transparent ...

that'd be great then

true palm Mar 6, 2021, 11:22 PM

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personal best is your best run

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change to best segment

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 11:22 PM

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ty

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itworks now grublove

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im gonna roll the dice and see if i can ping a speedrun mod to get blue name its been over an hour feelspkman

normal aspen Mar 6, 2021, 11:37 PM

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Any verified hk run is technically enough

last inlet Mar 6, 2021, 11:38 PM

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i think it's only valid if your split for the end of kp has peepoArrive in it

haughty fossil Mar 6, 2021, 11:38 PM

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cat. extensions have always counted, infinite respect for people who can grind 4ms feelspkman

last inlet Mar 6, 2021, 11:39 PM

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(on the topic, i'm hoping to try and do a run of true pacifist fairly soon which is bestgirl% but with fewest enemy attacks)

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afaik it's a new category but i could be wrong

amber lotus Mar 6, 2021, 11:48 PM

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Just started my daily WK Any% PRactice.. got 3 down first try, and killed them second try 🙂 BUilding up that consistency! anyway 25min of my 30min practice session left

hearty adder Mar 6, 2021, 11:49 PM

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4ms good, but I miss being in any place other than King's Pass, Dirtmouth and Forgotten Crossroads; I feel like my brain is slowly melting noot

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who needs a brain when a pb is much more enticing

last inlet Mar 6, 2021, 11:50 PM

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hearty adder 4ms good, but I miss being in any place other than King's Pass, Dirtmouth and Fo...

solution to this is clearly to run 112%

oak fjord Mar 6, 2021, 11:50 PM

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I´m trying to open a new game in 1.2.2.1 but it don´t load, some one know why?

hearty adder Mar 6, 2021, 11:51 PM

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Are you sure it finished downpatching?

amber lotus Mar 6, 2021, 11:51 PM

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Yes 2 kills in a row!! I am getting this!

verbal junco Mar 6, 2021, 11:52 PM

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amber lotus Yes 2 kills in a row!! I am getting this!

yay

oak fjord Mar 6, 2021, 11:53 PM

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hearty adder Are you sure it finished downpatching?

Yep, you think i sould reset it?

amber lotus Mar 6, 2021, 11:56 PM

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3for 5.... almost confident enough to learn pass this now 🙂

true palm Mar 7, 2021, 12:00 AM

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amber lotus 3for 5.... almost confident enough to learn pass this now 🙂

i recommend backing up that save as a practice file for later

amber lotus Mar 7, 2021, 12:01 AM

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already had one set

verbal junco Mar 7, 2021, 12:03 AM

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@digital jewel sorry for the ping but may i get the speedrunner role? my kp run recently got verified and i'd like the role so i can get more tips for any% and pop il, thanks in advance grublove (again, sorry for the ping. you just happen to always be the one with the first name in the alphabetical role list.) https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes/run/zgx83njm

speedrun.com

Speedrunning leaderboards, resources, forums, and more!

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thank you

upbeat sphinx Mar 7, 2021, 12:07 AM

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So

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Deepnest in 30 minutes for my first ever speedrunning attempt

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I will get the ticket, go to that wierd ass transport and go to the city of tears

thorn jasper Mar 7, 2021, 12:08 AM

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good luck on your adventure!

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?srpsa

sick ravenBOT Mar 7, 2021, 12:08 AM

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Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

gloomy bane Mar 7, 2021, 12:11 AM

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well i finish my first any% nmg current patch with 1:07h its a good time?

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and how i submit it to speedrun.com

upbeat sphinx Mar 7, 2021, 12:12 AM

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Damn I belive it's quite good

gloomy bane Mar 7, 2021, 12:12 AM

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yeah im happy haha

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my biggest problem was that i died 2 times with the watcher knights

upbeat sphinx Mar 7, 2021, 12:13 AM

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Oh I forgot about that guys

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They will be a pain in the ass

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Should I go for the spells upgrades?

sick ravenBOT Mar 7, 2021, 12:14 AM

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Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

verbal junco Mar 7, 2021, 12:15 AM

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gloomy bane and how i submit it to speedrun.com

did you stream it?

gloomy bane Mar 7, 2021, 12:15 AM

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yeah

dull lion Mar 7, 2021, 12:16 AM

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Make sure you highlight the vod then so it’s permanent

twin swallow Mar 7, 2021, 12:16 AM

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Highlight the part of the stream where you did the run, copy that link into your video source

gloomy bane Mar 7, 2021, 12:16 AM

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i can download it for twitch right?

verbal junco Mar 7, 2021, 12:16 AM

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gloomy bane yeah

alright, than copy paste the link and put it in the "video link here..." segment. the rest should be pretty self explanatory.

gloomy bane Mar 7, 2021, 12:17 AM

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im gonna download it and upload to yt

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i guess more easy

verbal junco Mar 7, 2021, 12:17 AM

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wait, what?

verbal junco Mar 7, 2021, 12:17 AM

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gloomy bane im gonna download it and upload to yt

no it has to be a stream feelspkman

gloomy bane Mar 7, 2021, 12:17 AM

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really?

limpid ruin Mar 7, 2021, 12:17 AM

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verbal junco wait, what?

Only highlights or other permanent hosting solutions

verbal junco Mar 7, 2021, 12:17 AM

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yeah

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feelspkman

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even uploading?

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wow

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i thought you had to stream it lmao

limpid ruin Mar 7, 2021, 12:18 AM

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gloomy bane really?

YouTube is fine as long as its the proper attempt and with game audio + read all the other rules

gloomy bane Mar 7, 2021, 12:18 AM

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i have to upload all at once right? i read that

limpid ruin Mar 7, 2021, 12:19 AM

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Yea, single segment

verbal junco Mar 7, 2021, 12:19 AM

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i'd prefer streaming anyways, it gives it a better backing than just uploading. basically the evidence that its real gets thicker, because there was an audience that could tell if i was cheating or not.
but, you do you.

limpid ruin Mar 7, 2021, 12:19 AM

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And theres zero need to live stream anything

verbal junco Mar 7, 2021, 12:19 AM

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im going back to grinding ballistic, peace

gloomy bane Mar 7, 2021, 12:19 AM

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and how can i make it permanent in twitch?

digital jewel Mar 7, 2021, 12:19 AM

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highlight it

gloomy bane Mar 7, 2021, 12:20 AM

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how i do that?

limpid ruin Mar 7, 2021, 12:20 AM

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Google is the most helpful, bc twitch ui is annoying to describe

twin swallow Mar 7, 2021, 12:21 AM

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Creator dashboard > video producer I think

verbal junco Mar 7, 2021, 12:21 AM

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verbal junco im going back to grinding ballistic, peace

wait no i should be practicing any%

gloomy bane Mar 7, 2021, 12:21 AM

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ok gonna search

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thx all guys grublove

verbal junco Mar 7, 2021, 12:22 AM

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gloomy bane thx all guys<:grublove:728764817934123109>

no problem, glad to help! grublove

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rip that run, the aspid ran away

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i had a bad kp anyways feelspkman

tardy sable Mar 7, 2021, 12:27 AM

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https://youtu.be/iDuBbYUFD2s man the tilt is real, think im done for the day lol

YouTube

RanOutOfName

dream nail platforms

im done

▶ Play video

verbal junco Mar 7, 2021, 12:36 AM

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tardy sable https://youtu.be/iDuBbYUFD2s man the tilt is real, think im done for the day lol

rip

gloomy bane Mar 7, 2021, 1:44 AM

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how many time took in general to valid a run?

twin swallow Mar 7, 2021, 1:45 AM

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depends on the run and wha other people are submitting

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a short category extension might only take a few days, but longer or more specialised runs might take up to a few weeks

gloomy bane Mar 7, 2021, 1:45 AM

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ok thx

twin swallow Mar 7, 2021, 1:46 AM

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I think the queue right now is quite long because more people are running (which is good)

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but we recently got new verifiers, which is also good

haughty fossil Mar 7, 2021, 1:46 AM

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hi feelspkman

twin swallow Mar 7, 2021, 1:46 AM

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omg hi jamie grublove

haughty fossil Mar 7, 2021, 1:47 AM

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is that Four Mask Shards Current Patch No Major Glitches World Record holder JBHyperion? Omg hi 😳

old obsidian Mar 7, 2021, 1:47 AM

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flushedcone

wind owl Mar 7, 2021, 2:39 AM

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big noob

twin swallow Mar 7, 2021, 2:40 AM

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kinda rude

woven glacier Mar 7, 2021, 2:44 AM

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That Is Indeed Former and Current World Record Holder For The Four Mask Shards Category On The Current Patch Leaderboard, More Specifically Patch One Point Four Point Three Point Two, JBHyperion, Obtaining A Staggering Time Of Eight Minutes And Two Seconds Beating The Previous Record Held By Glitchy

hearty adder Mar 7, 2021, 2:44 AM

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omg hi

woven glacier Mar 7, 2021, 2:44 AM

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Please bow at his presence

haughty fossil Mar 7, 2021, 2:45 AM

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TIFaCWRHft4MSCotCPL,MSP1.4.3.2,JBH,OaSTo8Ma2SBtPRHbG

verbal junco Mar 7, 2021, 2:45 AM

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i cant do the explosion pogo shadecry

hearty adder Mar 7, 2021, 2:45 AM

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Current patch explosion pogo is very hard, take your time

woven glacier Mar 7, 2021, 2:45 AM

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epogo is a myth perpetrated by cheaters

verbal junco Mar 7, 2021, 2:45 AM

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hearty adder Current patch explosion pogo is very hard, take your time

what if i just dont do it gorbbrain

hearty adder Mar 7, 2021, 2:46 AM

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you can do that also

verbal junco Mar 7, 2021, 2:46 AM

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its slower but im not looking for wr

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i do running for fun

woven glacier Mar 7, 2021, 2:46 AM

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haughty fossil TIFaCWRHft4MSCotCPL,MSP1.4.3.2,JBH,OaSTo8Ma2SBtPRHbG

This is beautiful

hearty adder Mar 7, 2021, 2:46 AM

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Then don't do epogo if you don't want to

verbal junco Mar 7, 2021, 2:46 AM

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haughty fossil TIFaCWRHft4MSCotCPL,MSP1.4.3.2,JBH,OaSTo8Ma2SBtPRHbG

he is speaking the language of the gods

hearty adder Mar 7, 2021, 2:46 AM

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i don't go for epogo on cp either, lol

verbal junco Mar 7, 2021, 2:47 AM

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hearty adder i don't go for epogo on cp either, lol

its not worth it feelspkman

hearty adder Mar 7, 2021, 2:48 AM

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verbal junco he is speaking the language of the gods

if you're talking about jamie, that's not their pronouns

hearty adder Mar 7, 2021, 2:48 AM

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verbal junco its not worth it <:feelspkman:639636442821165056>

it's worth it but also it's not

verbal junco Mar 7, 2021, 2:48 AM

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hearty adder if you're talking about jamie, that's not their pronouns

ah sorry

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my mistake

haughty fossil Mar 7, 2021, 2:48 AM

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all good 02Love

twin swallow Mar 7, 2021, 2:48 AM

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getting sub40 (a pretty good time) on any% cp without epogo or qga is very possible

haughty fossil Mar 7, 2021, 2:49 AM

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pest got wr without epogo feelspkman

verbal junco Mar 7, 2021, 2:49 AM

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haughty fossil pest got wr without epogo <:feelspkman:639636442821165056>

feelspkman

haughty fossil Mar 7, 2021, 2:50 AM

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one day i'll come back to any% cp PepeHands

hearty adder Mar 7, 2021, 2:50 AM

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i think it's good if you tackle some of the harder tricks from the beginning just so you don't have to make too many changes once you're finding it harder and harder to lower your times, but also if you try too many hard things you can grow frustrated very quickly and burn out

hearty adder Mar 7, 2021, 2:50 AM

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haughty fossil one day i'll come back to any% cp <:PepeHands:468770185810149406>

i wanna go back to any% cp but i keep getting distracted with meme cats hollownite

gloomy bane Mar 7, 2021, 3:22 AM

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isnt worth in time to get the first nail upgrade?

harsh mason Mar 7, 2021, 3:23 AM

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no

twin swallow Mar 7, 2021, 3:23 AM

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your nail only does 9 damage even when upgraded, and fireball with shaman stone does 20

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getting the nail upgrade takes time to detour and you need to find the extra geo somewhere

gloomy bane Mar 7, 2021, 3:24 AM

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yeah ik but its still a lot of dmg i mean u are going a lot of nail hits dont make the fight faster enough to be good?

haughty fossil Mar 7, 2021, 3:25 AM

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no, the time it takes to detour is not worth the time saved in fights

mild moon Mar 7, 2021, 3:25 AM

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Actually speedrunners are notoriously lazy

haughty fossil Mar 7, 2021, 3:26 AM

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fireball + shaman is your main damage output for all of any%, because it deals 20 damage, 40 if you use it right, compared to base nail's 5 (and nail1's 9)

mild moon Mar 7, 2021, 3:26 AM

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They haven't even implemented free soul catcher timesave in any%

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It's possible they couldn't be bothered to get nail1 either feelspkman

verbal junco Mar 7, 2021, 3:27 AM

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mild moon They haven't even implemented free soul catcher timesave in any%

wait, catcher saves time? feelspkman

steady lynx Mar 7, 2021, 3:28 AM

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If anything the extra damage from getting Fury would be the same as nail1 so just get that instead for extra damage feelspkman

haughty fossil Mar 7, 2021, 3:28 AM

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duh, more soul = more fireball, more fireball = better

harsh mason Mar 7, 2021, 3:29 AM

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doesnt catcher not even save time if you overcharm

twin swallow Mar 7, 2021, 3:29 AM

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just overcharm the whole run with shaman

harsh mason Mar 7, 2021, 3:29 AM

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because overcharming takes more time than it saves

haughty fossil Mar 7, 2021, 3:29 AM

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probably katie

mild moon Mar 7, 2021, 3:29 AM

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Katie is spreading misinformation

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Unlike fury, soul catcher does save time

steady lynx Mar 7, 2021, 3:29 AM

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If it wasn't for the overcharm animation it'd be faster to get catcher in theory

verbal junco Mar 7, 2021, 3:29 AM

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steady lynx If anything the extra damage from getting Fury would be the same as nail1 so jus...

yeah but long kp feelspkman

steady lynx Mar 7, 2021, 3:29 AM

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But find the runner willing to do any% WK overcharmed

harsh mason Mar 7, 2021, 3:31 AM

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are you memeing homothety, does catcher overcharm actually save time in any%

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because i've asked before, and ive been told it loses time on uumuu and overcharming anim

mild moon Mar 7, 2021, 3:31 AM

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it has been timed to theoretically save 3 seconds

steady lynx Mar 7, 2021, 3:31 AM

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Someone tell Ax

mild moon Mar 7, 2021, 3:31 AM

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It saves 11 seconds across boss fights, prior to accounting for pickup and overcharm.

steady lynx Mar 7, 2021, 3:31 AM

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That's just enough to bop pest probably, actually not

harsh mason Mar 7, 2021, 3:32 AM

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dont you lose a bunch in beasts den too

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because you have to hazard warp, then you cant damage tank either devout either

mild moon Mar 7, 2021, 3:32 AM

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Not if you get a frame stutter induced devout double or do a damageless devout skip.

harsh mason Mar 7, 2021, 3:33 AM

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so yes it loses time

verbal junco Mar 7, 2021, 3:33 AM

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harsh mason because you have to hazard warp, then you cant damage tank either devout either

with max hp you can though because 1 x 2 = 2 feelspkman

mild moon Mar 7, 2021, 3:33 AM

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Yes it loses time if you go for suboptimal beast's den strats 😤

steady lynx Mar 7, 2021, 3:33 AM

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So it's just horribly inconsistent

verbal junco Mar 7, 2021, 3:33 AM

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steady lynx So it's just horribly inconsistent

^^