speedrunning

[knotty vigil]

@spice cradle oi, quero moderador, obrigado.

[digital jewel]

not gonna happen

[knotty vigil]

Hi amigo

[digital jewel]

this server is english

this section is related to speedrunning

[knotty vigil]

Oh, sorry

Ah, ok

Sorry

[digital jewel]

nobody is going to give you mod for asking

[ashen bluff]

especially on such a large server, no one really knows you

[frank cobalt]

Hey Xero can I get mod

debug mod specifically

[harsh mason]

hey xero can i get a hug

[clear zephyr]

So I found a glitch that I don't think anyone's seen before

probably has but just in case

[harsh mason]

so any posting of it

[clear zephyr]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/lxf8e9/so_anyone_know_what_happened_here_it_started/

yes

started happening to me around crystal peak while I was trying to get hunters mark

[grizzled maple]

I've only seen that with mods

Specifically multiworld

[clear zephyr]

I didn't have any mods on

the only mod I've used was multiplayer

[grizzled maple]

Which patch are you on?

Yeah that mod

[clear zephyr]

i'll check

[grizzled maple]

Was the file used with that mod on?

[frank cobalt]

^

this, just because the mod is off doesn't mean vanilla game

the modding api on its own changes the game

[dull lion]

Hey xewo... 👉👈... I was uh wonduwing if uwu couwd give me mowod?

[clear zephyr]

lmao, sorry

[frank cobalt]

😉

[fair island]

If he gives you are you willing to pay the cost?

[ionic cargo]

infinite slavery to this server

[dull lion]

Of couwse senpai

[clear zephyr]

don't worry, I deleted the reddit post so people don't spam fireb0rn or any other speedrunner

[grizzled maple]

Also they know its a bug and don't care about fixing it yet

[harsh mason]

it wouldnt be used anyway

not having spells makes you do no damage

[clear zephyr]

I was still able to do desending dark and abyss shriek

they worked normally

[harsh mason]

typical spells gotten in most speedruns

[grizzled maple]

Yeah it just eats the fireballs past a certain number used

[clear zephyr]

it was just shade soul that did that

[grizzled maple]

If you save quit out you have them again for a limited time™️

[harsh mason]

quakes and screams arent pooled

weird that it doesn't take your soul though

[clear zephyr]

yeah

[harsh mason]

multiplayer must have code for it on the server side, that waits for fireballs to spawn before taking the mp away

[clear zephyr]

this was the first time it happened to me for reference

videos just uploading

[grizzled maple]

Well we explained what the bug is. So just disable that mod and you should be fine

[clear zephyr]

I know, I launched hollow knight with and without the mods to see if it would still be active, it wasn't

too bad though

[thorn jasper]

@limpid ruin do you know what's wrong here?

[north hemlock]

so does anyone know how to solve this issue

[digital jewel]

I know nothing about macs sorry

[limpid ruin]

Oh yea, it's basically waiting for you to press slot number you want to use. If you want to use numpad you add that variable in your debugmod settings and set it to 1, if you want to use the other number keys you can ignore that command. The toggle ui is kinda useless atm ngl, I just left it in for whenever you wanted to see what was available

Oh and thanks for pinging about it so I didn't miss it

[limpid ruin]

Two alternatives: either your dotnet is not installed or a wrong version, or you tried to use it in a different directory than the depotdownloader dll is in

[thorn jasper]

To clarify, I've never been able to see the save state ui. But thanks for help! The readme says to find that variable, but it sounds like I would have to add it to the json. I also didn't realize the standard number keys would load the corresponding save states

[limpid ruin]

Hmm, I'm not sure why it wouldn't come up with at the very least a list saying that all the slots are empty

Does something like that come up in centre top of the screen if you press default f1 for all debug ui?

[wheat orbit]

🙃 This is normal right?

[twin swallow]

any%?

yup.

[meager current]

ye

[amber lotus]

Can state. Learning hollow knight has been quite a challenge for me and I’ve done 20+ games. 30+ categories of all genres. Can very safely say that viewers have no idea how easy you guys make things look.... more so in this game than most others I’ve played

As discouraging the challenge of learning this run has been. I’m also welcoming this challenge it has brought

[vocal dove]

finally started practicing on 1221 and WK patterns seem a bit different

i kind of find it harder than cp

[grizzled maple]

as far as i know the only change is that they can start attacks from off screen and on cp they have to walk into frame to start another attack

[vocal dove]

yeah they kept rolling into me from offscreen

[short spire]

on CP their attacks are always 33% chance for each of them

on 1221 they have specific weightings

[hushed onyx]

watcher knights

[vocal dove]

i grabbed an xbox series x controller yesterday and would highly recommend it, the dpad is really nice and clicky and responsive. very solid controller.

[digital jewel]

nicer than the xbox one style?

[broken sun]

@serene coral sorry to ping, but based on your comments the other day about WK positioning, I thought you would be interested in ax2u's comment above about CP WK

[serene coral]

ooh

[broken sun]

Although I guess positioning still matters because they won't slash if you are out of range, right?

[grizzled maple]

they'll just walk to you i believe

but there might be a timer on it because sometimes they'll walk towards you and go into another attack

[harsh mason]

the "slash" move is actually 2 parts
walk towards and slash

[grizzled maple]

oh i guess its just a spacing check or something then

[serene coral]

there is a hard limit though to how many times they can slash, right?

or so i thought

[broken sun]

3

[serene coral]

so it's 33% for everything until they hit that?

[harsh mason]

no its not just a spacing check

so if it decides to slash it actually goes to "Run To"

[broken sun]

But I've never seen them walk more than a small distance and still slash after

[grizzled maple]

ive definitely seen them walk almost all the way to me, but not close enough to slash, then just do a jump roll

[broken sun]

In fireborns guide I think he mentions they always roll after walking back on screen from off

[grizzled maple]

most of my experience in on cp also since that seems to matter

1221 is different because they can attack from offscreen and some bosses have ai changes which was already mentioned in this conversation

[harsh mason]

if they are facing away from you, they will jump roll

[broken sun]

Is there information on how to look at the FSM somewhere? Im not seeing it in resources

[harsh mason]

pmfsm

or fsmview actually

[broken sun]

Thanks

[harsh mason]

https://github.com/nesrak1/HollowKnightFSMView/releases

[broken sun]

So here is my understanding. The Watcher Knight appears to have an "in-range" check and if the player IS in range its a 20% / 20% / 60% chance favoring slash:
https://i.gyazo.com/4284e271ac61ee199bce2daf3dddbf43.png

If the player is out of range, then it equally chooses between the three moves. if slash is chosen it walks for a bit, then checks if the player is behind. If yes, bounce roll, if no, check if they are in slash range, if yes then slash, if no charge roll.

but this is the first time I've looked at these FSMs, so let me know if I'm misinterpreting anything, but this matches my experience/feel as a player. Also to fully answer your comment about max moves otter, it should be 2 consecutive for the roll moves and 3 for slash

[digital jewel]

sounds correct

in the beta it's changing though

[broken sun]

that second set of probabilities is only if a flag called DOUBLE is set. No clue what that was, so I ignored it. Maybe if there are two knights alive?

[digital jewel]

that's exactly it

[broken sun]

ah thanks

[digital jewel]

well nothing has set that flag in the game for the past like 3 years

so all the knights had the same AI

but in the beta they're fixing that

[broken sun]

lol thats a software mood right there

[digital jewel]

so knights after the first will correctly have the 2nd set of patterns now

[broken sun]

what is a back roll?

[digital jewel]

it's a short roll backwards with a very fast animation

most people have never seen it

but as you can see from the stats it was fairly common to see in older patches

[broken sun]

I can't wait to get hit by that while trying to dash over them 😦

[dull lion]

Anybody have a video of it on hand? Just curious to see it

[digital jewel]

https://youtu.be/o5svfS-iyCY?t=36

[haughty fossil]

just don't run on 1.5 🙂

[dull lion]

Thx

[broken sun]

woah that is indeed a back roll

[dull lion]

That’s horrifying

Watcher knight just broke the sound barrier

[neon island]

Who needs to telegraph their attacks anymore?

Telegraphing is for losers

[broken sun]

see its not an attack its a retreat

weaponized retreat

[neon island]

True

[haughty fossil]

forward roll has the exact same choreograph as backroll

[broken sun]

there was no small roll in the opposite direction in that vid, but holy hell muscle memory is going to cry

[vocal dove]

do not want

[meager current]

simply dont run 1.5

[vocal dove]

so glad i'm not running switch anymore

[serene coral]

what if the backwards roll makes it more consistent to get doubles

[haughty fossil]

except you can't tell when they're gonna do it

[meager current]

i think tc said they are allowing access to the current patch for people who need 32something idk

[haughty fossil]

cp will remain available as a steam beta for 32bit users

[meager current]

ye this

[haughty fossil]

so it at least won't be as painful as downpatching

[serene coral]

you think it'll be that easy to escape

[meager current]

now we need tc to allow public access to 1221 without downpatching

[serene coral]

they're gonna make dreamer cutscenes skippable or something so we have to play 1.5

[haughty fossil]

otter they removed that after 1221

[rugged crow]

iirc gwonkee said that in over an hour of doing the fight he couldn't get one double on a back roll. I haven't tested it myself but it doesnt look good for doubles :/

[serene coral]

unlucky

[meager current]

reasons to downpatch to 1221

[haughty fossil]

reasons not to downpatch to 1221: i value my table not being on fire

[meager current]

move your pc off your table

[serene coral]

i can't just turn my back on cp uumuu

we're in this together

[hidden axle]

how do run

[serene coral]

same

[thorn jasper]

Check the pinned messages in this channel for links to various guides

[vocal dove]

i actually have a quick downpatch question

is it true you have to run the depot downpatcher every time you want to play a downpatched version?

[stuck raptor]

No

[meager current]

i dont so no

is there some ambiguity in the guide or something?

[vocal dove]

"Launch the downloaded executable to patch Steam. You'll need to do this again every time you restart your computer or Steam and want to downpatch."

[grizzled maple]

That means if you downpatch again

It's just saying hey don't forget that first part about actually running the thing

[digital jewel]

once you've downpatched the files are on your computer

[vocal dove]

ohhh okay that makes sense. thank you!

[digital jewel]

my 1.1.1.8 install is 4 yrs old lol

[wind spear]

For a run to be submitted to Speedrun.com, does it have to have game audio?

[neon island]

Yes

[wind spear]

Alrighty, thanks a ton!

[neon island]

However, it doesn't need the in-game music

[dull lion]

Probably a dumb question but does windowed run better than full screen? I switched to windowed today to try it out and the game seemed to feel a lot more responsive. I golded 3 movement splits. Is this just placebo or am I an idiot for running on full screen so long? If it is a thing is there anyway to get windowed to look like less of an eyesore compared to full screen?

[neon island]

Windows does a few "optimizations" for fullscreen applications

It's possible that said optimizations could be a bit 🥴

but yeah, you could make windowed look better by running borderless windowed mode instead

It is basically fullscreen, but it is actually windowed and it covers the whole screen

[dull lion]

This is definitely a dumb question but how does one go about enabling boarderless windowed mode?

[limpid ruin]

not a dumb question at all tbh

steam, gog, or somewehre else?

[dull lion]

Steam

Or just off my desktop, I can do either

My downpatch Ed hollow knight isn’t the main steam one if that’s an issue

[neon island]

Right click Hollow Knight and go to properties and then you'll want to go to "set launch options"

-popupwindow

^ type that and you'll get borderless windowed

[dull lion]

Thanks a ton guys!

[limpid ruin]

[rugged walrus]

Hey guys. Serious question: has anyone noticed a significant input lag on Switch vs PC?

Going from PC to Switch feels like I'm moving through molasses

[haughty fossil]

yes

60fps hk is like that

[digital jewel]

not only 60 but with vsync as well

and switch isn't always 60 either I've heard

[haughty fossil]

switch is 30 in handheld

or at least that's what someone told me

[granite field]

It feels like 30 yeah but not sure it is

[rugged walrus]

I mean like... irrespective of the framerate

[granite field]

maybe 40 at most, I'd say

[rugged walrus]

It feels like my inputs take significantly (relatively) longer on Switch

It's so super snappy on PC but Switch I feel like I'm missing so many dodges because of lag

Wondering if I should get a wired controller for Switch

[haughty fossil]

yes the game cannot handle inputs at low framerates

[jagged vault]

Inputs are framerate dependent

[rugged walrus]

damn

[jagged vault]

Because hk spaghetti code

[rugged walrus]

oof

[haughty fossil]

low meaning anywhere below 150

[jagged vault]

So switch is p much like playing underwater

[harsh mason]

any celesters in chat

[rugged walrus]

this is pretty much how it feels

_<

[haughty fossil]

celeste 60fps is cheating because its just not doing anything in between

[harsh mason]

its not celestes fault it doesnt run like shit

celeste isn't even optimized either

you can make it run like 2-3 times faster

[tame hare]

starting ceeleste is surprisingly slow

[crystal relic]

Ps4 gang

is there a way to uncap fps on console?

[weary root]

i mean probably, but not if you want to submit a run

[digital jewel]

it wouldn't be capable of much better even if you could

[silver snow]

anyone know how to unbind things in the mod

i just accidentally bound a bunch of things

[haughty fossil]

?saves

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[haughty fossil]

in save files, delete DebugMod.Globalsettings.json and DebugMod.GlobalSettings.json.bak

[silver snow]

wait what

cant just unbind it easily in the F1 menu?

[haughty fossil]

no

[silver snow]

oh god

[haughty fossil]

oh this is for if you set savestate to mouse1

i'd just bind them to arbritrary keys

[silver snow]

yeh...

dam this sucks

[crystal relic]

I figured

[silver snow]

what's the bind called that re fills your soul?

[thorn jasper]

Kingsoul is a charm that gradually refills your soul, if that's what you're after. But more importantly: #hk-help

[silver snow]

didn't know if theres a way on the Mod to use a binding to re fill the soul quickly?

[thorn jasper]

omg I'm dumb, the keybinding you mean

[silver snow]

yeh whats it called, looking for it

[thorn jasper]

there's none by default but you can set it

[silver snow]

looking for it in the menu thingy

[thorn jasper]

under CHEATS

infinite soul

[silver snow]

thought it was "give essence"

but that didnt do anything

infinite soul doesn't refill it though

just lets it not go down i think

[tardy sable]

turning it on and then off will give you full soul

[silver snow]

oooo

that doesn't work for me

maybe i messed something up

[tardy sable]

the soul gauge ui might not update correctly though

[jagged vault]

Turn on then press focus

Then you can turn off again

[silver snow]

there we go

thanks

[tardy sable]

you can either just fireball/focus to find out if you have it or look in the "MP" value in debug menu

[silver snow]

gotcha gotcha

ty for help

[digital jewel]

this is a hilarious mix-up

[knotty vigil]

I would have gotten #8 on steel soul any% but i was practicing so i didnt record f

[jagged vault]

Now you’ve done it once, so you can do it again!

[knotty vigil]

pog

[tardy sable]

nooo don't do this to me

jk, gl on the next run 😛

[knotty vigil]

uh

my time was 42 minutes without loads

i thought that would be 8th

[haughty fossil]

that would be either 6th or 7th

[grizzled maple]

jenkar is 6th with 42:03

[knotty vigil]

How do I get the full timer for livesplit? I was just using the default livesplit one

[haughty fossil]

right click > edit layout

[knotty vigil]

what next

[haughty fossil]

add splits, a title etc

whatever you want

[knotty vigil]

oh, I cant just download a layout file?

[grizzled maple]

there's tons and tons of guides online for livesplit

i mean you can

but most people just make their own

[knotty vigil]

True, I'll make my own

[grizzled maple]

if you see one you like and ask i'm sure the runner would be happy to share though

it's not really a taboo just something that's usually unique to runners

[knotty vigil]

True.

[haughty fossil]

you gotta put your own waifu on your splits, can't use anyone else's

[grizzled maple]

TIL radiance is a waifu

[haughty fossil]

my waifu <3333

[grizzled maple]

that's a good waifu jamie

underrated

[stiff delta]

I think my livesplit background is a picture of a woman in a hospital bed talking to a doctor

[thin garnet]

So im on switch and i wanna speedrun just for fun but i have a question

For monomon should i get ismas tear or shade cloak?

[grizzled maple]

that depends on category

[thin garnet]

Would is be any percent if im just going for thk

[grizzled maple]

any% it's not necessary. the worst skip is QGA (the acid skip into queens garden) and there's an alternate route for beginners through deepnest that's much much easier

the only other acid skip is the one into fog canyon and it literally goes: hold left, press cdash when you grab the wall. that's it, you did the trick.

[stiff delta]

Switch qga is harder than P5 /s

[grizzled maple]

disagree but i grinded it quite a bit

[humble oracle]

is there any way to put livesplit over fullscreen Hollow Knight

[grizzled maple]

qga and thk were the two things i practiced most when i ran that

borderless windowed @ sam

[humble oracle]

ok thanks

[grizzled maple]

if you're using steam you'll just do -popupwindow in launch settings iirc

[stiff delta]

See get the reference i have now edited my original comment to say “slash s” and now i am in the right

[haughty fossil]

easiest way is to add -popupwindow in steam launch options, else you can run hk windowed and press alt+enter to make it fullscreen

then change livesplit settings to enable always on top

[thin garnet]

Wait so when im going to fog canyon i skip the shade wall things by c-dashing over the acid next to leg eater?

[stiff delta]

No

you acid skip in forgotten crossroads by the grub in the acid room, which is bottom left of corn man room

[true palm]

the crossroads acid skip is the easiest setup

[grizzled maple]

legeater isnt possible to acid skip

[true palm]

really, thats sad

[haughty fossil]

there's literally an extra wall hitbox that only exists if you don't have isma's

[stiff delta]

thats the kind of hk stuff that warms my heart

[true palm]

its the inconsistency that i love

not that theres a wall but just that the wall doesnt exist for the other ones

[thin garnet]

Oh btw for general routing should i beat false knight then hornet then do go resting grounds or soul master

[grizzled maple]

might be best to watch a run with jamie's current patch guide

[haughty fossil]

or if this is for achievements

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[grizzled maple]

there's very few things that differ on console from pc cp, so definitely watch the console that you're on

switch is the most optimized though

[thin garnet]

Im on switch

[grizzled maple]

a lot of your questions can be answered by just watching the run. for the record though, since dive is a hard save sanctum is horrifically slow. like.. the only categories that go there at all need to get dive at some point as a requirement

[last inlet]

apparently my waifu is whatever is on the right of my screen in hk

[grizzled maple]

any% get lantern to get into cpeaks

[haughty fossil]

like irl? my water bottle is my waifu now

[grizzled maple]

my waifu is the limited edition baby metroid amiibo

[last inlet]

no as in the in-game objects to the right of what i can see

so while i'm doing shade skip, it's the wall by salubra

[haughty fossil]

so as you enter Crossroads_Myla your waifu becomes myla

[last inlet]

yes

[thin garnet]

You know what im too tired to think straight so i guess my first run has to be tomorrow😅

[last inlet]

i'm sure thats the correct room name and i will not fact check this

[haughty fossil]

that's the name i gave it and so it is the name i will use (https://github.com/ManicJamie/HKTranslator/blob/864fa31d6e958419c2fcab1c37235a070e1e4e78/IntegratedTranslator/TranslatorDictionary.xml#L195)

[grizzled maple]

probably a good idea to do a dry run before your first real run just to get some practice in. bosses are no joke in any%

literally all of them are horrible. i honestly recommend learning all skills if you have the time and freedom to do so

[thin garnet]

Soul master and crystal guardian guy are pretty ez

And hornet and false

[grizzled maple]

neither of the first two you said are in any%

[thin garnet]

Watcher is TOUGH

Oh really

[strong vessel]

Is there any way to run Hollow Knight on borderless windowed without making the game tiny

[thin garnet]

Epic

[grizzled maple]

and you only get your base nail. your main damage is shaman VS

[strong vessel]

I can't increase the resolution

[last inlet]

they can be if you try hard enough ❤️

[strong vessel]

Without lag

[last inlet]

(but actually those 2 arent in the route)

[haughty fossil]

alt + enter should force it to fit the screen

afaik

[strong vessel]

I tried that

It just makes it small

Toggling it goes between really small and fullscreen with livesplit not visible

It isn't really an issue but it can get annoying to not be able to see my splits while running

[grizzled maple]

can you resize the small window manually?

[strong vessel]

Not without changing the resolution

Like, making it bigger literally makes the in-game resolution setting increase

[haughty fossil]

what resolution are you running?

[strong vessel]

540 x 960

[haughty fossil]

you might be able to do some shenanigans w/ windows scaling + windowed mode but that might not work

[strong vessel]

Anything bigger lags

(I know, my pc is terrible)

[haughty fossil]

are you on cp too?

[strong vessel]

No

[haughty fossil]

wait why would you do that to yourself

ik cp sucks meme but i'd take cp dumb over 540p

[grizzled maple]

i wonder what res i run at

[strong vessel]

Current patch does run better but I still play at low resolution

[grizzled maple]

i play on a 43" monitor so hk is really small on the screen. i basically use it as two monitors

[strong vessel]

It isn't speedrun-related, but my computer, at the lowest possible graphics settings, on current patch, cannot handle NKG without lagging

[short spire]

you could change your monitor resolution to be only slightly larger than the game resolution

then the low res game window will be bigger on your screen

[strong vessel]

How do I do that?

[short spire]

right click desktop and display settings?

i think

[haughty fossil]

windows display settings

[short spire]

yee go there and change display resolution

[strong vessel]

It'll probably look terrible, but if it works, it works

[haughty fossil]

out of curiosity what specs do you have

[strong vessel]

I actually have no idea

I'm not that into computers

[haughty fossil]

task manager shows the most important stuff under Performance

[short spire]

yeah it'll certainly look awful but if that's what you gotta do to get the frames lol

[humble oracle]

ok so i managed to get hollow knight in borderless windowed, but the top of my screen and the taskbar are still showing, while i don't think its necessary to remove these, it distracts me, so is there any way to hide those

[strong vessel]

I have an i5, and idk what the GPU things mean, but it says "NVIDIA GeForce GT 640M"

8 GB RAM

[haughty fossil]

what i5 specifically

[strong vessel]

i5-3330S

[haughty fossil]

[strong vessel]

What does this mean lol

Also, this computer is pretty old

[grizzled maple]

it means " "

[haughty fossil]

this

[strong vessel]

That looks about right

I tried turning down the resolution and now everything is really big (which is to be expected)

Is there a way to just make everything normal size but blurry?

[haughty fossil]

change scaling

[twin swallow]

I have an i5-3550 and it does not like 1221 at all

[haughty fossil]

there's a % value in windows display settings

[strong vessel]

I can't go below 100%

[wind spear]

Heya, really dumb question here I think. When I went to submit a run on speedrun.com, it asked for both time with loads and time without loads, I looked at my splits and I only see one final time. Did I miss something important in my setup, and is there anyway to get this information now?

[strong vessel]

I don't think time without loads is necessary

[haughty fossil]

edit splits, there are 2 tabs, real time and game time

if you used the autosplitter then game time will be time without loads

if you didn't then a) set up the autosplitter b) real time will be used to time your run

[wind spear]

Oh tysm! I did use the autosplitter, so I'll use the times found on the "edit splits" page. Thanks again!

[strong vessel]

Wait, it works now

Borderless windowed does

I just had to open Hollow Knight at the lower resolution, then change it back?

I can see my splits now!

[haughty fossil]

watching your any% pb, holy heck thk is literally unplayable levels of bad

[strong vessel]

Ikr!!

It's terrible!

THK and NKG are so inexplicably laggy

[haughty fossil]

come to cp, we have cookies frames

[strong vessel]

I get that there's a lot of particles

But still

[hearty adder]

I believe in cp supremacy
If only for the performance

[twin swallow]

We can also have cookies, this can be arranged

[haughty fossil]

we have 1 british chocolate bar of your choice (note: must win as cp tourney for british chocolate bar)

[harsh mason]

i can just go to a shop to get those

as cp tournament would take atleast 4 efforts

[strong vessel]

And I would lose regardless

[twin swallow]

4 efforts is exactly the amount of efforts I possess 😤

[strong vessel]

May I can try running at 720p

It actually covers the full screen

Hopefully won't be much worse than 540p

[short spire]

oh you're playing on 1221?

[strong vessel]

Yeah

[short spire]

cp would definitely give you much much better performance

[haughty fossil]

did ax just advocate for cp

[strong vessel]

The performance really only matters for THK

[short spire]

performance is imo like the one actual good reason to run cp lol

[strong vessel]

I'm not quite good enough for that to matter enough

[short spire]

this game feels absolutely horrible at low framerates

[haughty fossil]

trust me, low fps hk is a different game, makes a bigger difference than 1221/cp

[strong vessel]

It doesn't actually run badly for most of the game, as long as the resolution is low

[short spire]

like even anything below 100 is highly suboptimal for hk

[strong vessel]

It may look bad but the performance is okay

[strong vessel]

Welp, I run pretty much everything at 30

[haughty fossil]

ax up that number to 150, i avg 170 and can easily feel the suffering whenever i drop below

[strong vessel]

I would love to have a PC that can run 1080p at 60 FPS but that costs money lmao

[short spire]

yeah choose what you think is best but i would highly recommend giving current patch a try if your fps is that bad, and trust me that's not something i recommend often lol

[strong vessel]

I used to run on current patch and I'm too attached to inventory dropping now

[haughty fossil]

learn cp drops 🙂

[short spire]

inv drops are nice indeed

[haughty fossil]

or start running any% w/ qol

[strong vessel]

I did! I just can't do them consistently

I was going to say something about Uumuu 2-cycle, then I realized that not being able to 2-cycle Uumuu might be better for my mental health

Or I could learn All Skills lmao

[twin swallow]

Nobody else is 2-cycling uumuu on that patch so it's fine

[strong vessel]

There should be a setting for particle effects below low

I need that setting

Well, thanks for all the help

I'll see if it makes a difference the next time I run

[knotty vigil]

downpatching is taking so long lmao

[haughty fossil]

it does need to download the whole game

[knotty vigil]

true

ok time to sit back and wait 45 minutes at minimum

p a i n

[strong vessel]

When I downpatched, it took so long that I forgot it was downpatching

[haughty fossil]

tbh i prefer depotdownloader method purely because it has a progress bar 🥴

[uneven scarab]

My game downpatched in 5min

[vocal dove]

wow thk is so easy on 1221

no more jumping 5 minutes before he attacks

[knotty vigil]

yo uh i cant get the downpatch to work

its giving me a mono error, could it be that I used steam console

im really confused ive tried everything

someone help?

anyone?

help

[thorn jasper]

it's only been a few minutes, and a lot of knowledgeable people are asleep in europe. in the meantime, post more details/screenshot of the error

but more importantly, please be more patient

[knotty vigil]

my man it literally just says failed to load mono thats it

https://gyazo.com/f9d27a35a2156ffc57c8db2cef2b1b3e

thats the entire error

[grizzled maple]

Did you by any chance copy your downpatch files to override the cp ones? Because you were supposed to backup the original files and just replace the new folder in the directory

[knotty vigil]

I didnt override anything

[grizzled maple]

If you copy the old files into the new ones it does this

I only know because there was one time I accidentally left 1221 active and messed with cp mods. Ruined the whole install and I had to downpatch again

You might need to download 1221 again and make sure to just leave the cp version of hollow_knight_Data renamed like I call mine with an underscore cp. Then just name the 1221 hollow_knight_Data correctly

[knotty vigil]

ok I looked into the 2 different patches and its missing mono.dll entirely

[grizzled maple]

Whichever one is correctly named is the one it reads and thats how you have two patches at once

[true palm]

i made this video like a month ago because i'm sick of downpatching questions but it literally simplifies everything step by step, its not the best quality but here you go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL9hp1Geeq4

[wind spear]

What website do y'all use to generate the video link? YouTube failed me many times and some people are suggesting some other sites

[tardy sable]

what do you mean by generating video link?

[true palm]

depends for short clips i use streamable

[grizzled maple]

Most people use YouTube or Twitch. And for short videos to share we usually use Streamable

[wind spear]

Ah, okay. Thanks for your help!

[true palm]

speaking of youtube, it never finished processing my last run so i have to wait for it the queue again because i never double checked

[knotty vigil]

I followed the video's instructions and got the same damn error, what now?

okay I got a different error this

time

https://gyazo.com/01e21ac7d14b37805a9b1cd2fdfb90f8

what do I do here

[devout wing]

any tips on watcher knights with old nail?

[stuck raptor]

practice

a lot

[tardy sable]

watch the videos by fireb0rn/pest/other people and then practice a lot

[thorn jasper]

have you watched any guides?

[knotty vigil]

this is getting out of hand ive been at this for almost 3 hours

[true palm]

send me a screenshot of these folders

[limpid ruin]

Have you read the guide in the pins, line by line, making sure to read absolutely every step to understand it?

[knotty vigil]

yes.

ive tried that.

and ive tried every other thing anyone has told me

okay

[grizzled maple]

Like I said if you dragged the new 1221 folder on top of the existing one you need a new download

That mono error is literally a cp error that happens on 1221

[true palm]

also send a screenshot of your assets folder

the final files in it

[knotty vigil]

https://gyazo.com/eff547328ff5c19f1a2cb27234570dcb

[true palm]

my guess is a) you didnt wait for it to finish downloading, b) you merged 1221 and current patch, c) you're launching the game from steam, which is the one you already corrupted

where are you launching hollow knight from

[knotty vigil]

not steam

the thing in the folder

[true palm]

and are you copying both the executable and the hollow knight data folder into a seperate new folder

[knotty vigil]

well, I did what your video told me to

https://gyazo.com/a8b05e3228f838b4897057ce5ac2223e

[true palm]

no thats not what i said to do, i said to create a separate folder

[grizzled maple]

Well the mono thing happens from merging, like i keep saying

[true palm]

you copy and pasted that in the old folder

you shouldnt have a unity player.dll

[knotty vigil]

no i didnt, i made a new one

and renamed it

[true palm]

why do you have a unityplayer.dll file from 2 years ago in that folder

and the executable

from 2 years ago

[knotty vigil]

thats what i have

[knotty vigil]

im sorry if im being difficult, ive got a splitting headache rn and i cant really function

[true palm]

k you see those two files in the depot folder

[knotty vigil]

the depot folder is empty

[true palm]

so i said to copy and not cut from the depot folder

in case something like that happened

[thorn jasper]

it's gonna be pretty hard to get this working in that condition. maybe clarity post-headache will help

[true palm]

its ok, but you'll have to redownpatch

[knotty vigil]

okay i can do that

[true palm]

i recommend starting the download and taking a break

[knotty vigil]

in the meantime, ill go get this headache dealt with

yeah

[grizzled maple]

Also always copy downpatches so you have a backup if anything happens to it

[true palm]

sorry about the confusion, or if i seemed aggravated

downpatching can be a process

[grizzled maple]

Because random things can break or you might make a mistake messing with mods. The good news is this is the hard part and you only have to do it once once you get it right

[true palm]

i did it once like 3 months ago and only did it again for the video

[knotty vigil]

okay so it says it needs unityplayer

i think it worked

FINALLY

TYSM

[true palm]

does it say patch 1221 at the bottom left

[knotty vigil]

YES

[true palm]

gj gj

[knotty vigil]

HOW CAN I THANK YOU

[true palm]

idk its kinda just we do

if you wanted to you could subscribe lol

[knotty vigil]

im doing that tbh

[true palm]

thanks, maybe i'll do content one day

so if you want to save some trouble now you can get debug mod install

[knotty vigil]

But why would I need it?

oh, practiec

practice

[true palm]

yup

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/7br3d

this is easier than downpatching

by a lot

just copy that folder

and call it hollow knight 1221 mod or something

and follow ax2us guide

[knotty vigil]

okay

cant do that tonight iu dont have the time

gn

[true palm]

good night, and good luck

[silver snow]

for QGA do is there a certain time you need to press your super dash after dashing into the wall? or is it certain spots the work only?>

[true palm]

so qga requires a) right height on the wall, b) right timing to hit c dash) and c) right timing to jump off the wall

it will not work if you are too high on the wall

and if you hit cdash too early you wont cdash

[silver snow]

its pretty tough to get consistently

[true palm]

highly recommend fireborns guide for practice

[silver snow]

and so you cant spam to jump off the second wall after smashing into it?

[true palm]

nope

[silver snow]

oh ill check out his guide

didnt know he had one

[true palm]

ye he has a 10 video any% guide

[silver snow]

nice, looking now

[true palm]

if you cant get qga within 4 or 5 attempts just learn deepnest

deepnest only loses 40 seconds

[silver snow]

oh rlly? ill try this a few more times and then look into that

[true palm]

yah i did deepnest in my run

then again i wasnt vested in any% and kinda rushed the category

[lucid stirrup]

if you cant get qga within 4 or 5 attempts just leave the room and dream nail jellyfish and then try again

[true palm]

what im saying is its not worth repeatedly throwing yourself at qga if you cant do it in the first couple times

you're just losing time

[lucid stirrup]

oh its totally worth

[silver snow]

oh thats a good idea about dream nailing jelly

didnt think about that

[true palm]

its timed as a 40 second loss

like if you fail 10 times to epogo thats slower than going around

[lucid stirrup]

but obviously you wouldn't just go around at least on 1221

you would keep trying

[true palm]

if youve already started trying qga just do it

im saying if you're trying to just get a run and then improve

baby strats are ok

[lucid stirrup]

if you haven't started trying qga its not too late

[silver snow]

i think i've been hitting c dash too early

i like the way you can practice above you and see if you're getting it late or early

[true palm]

hit c dash at the end of the whoosh

[silver snow]

that should help

[true palm]

i do qga based on audio cues

[silver snow]

ill look into that

[lucid stirrup]

i used audio cues to figure out what the timing is, but as far as actually doing the trick in runs its just muscle memory

[silver snow]

how can you cancel c dash

without going anywhere

[true palm]

dont hold the cdash

[lucid stirrup]

let go of cdash

[silver snow]

oh just dont charge all the way

i see

[true palm]

let go before the crystal builds up the whole way

there will be a flash when you hit the point of no return'

[silver snow]

lol yeh

think i got the timing down now

[lucid stirrup]

dont be discouraged if you can do it and then suddenly you cant

literally everyone at top level who hits it consistently first try has gone through phases where they randomly cant hit it

[true palm]

didnt fireb0rn dunk in the anniversary race?

[lucid stirrup]

idk i didn't see

[silver snow]

im hitting it pretty good now that i realized i was doing it too early

[lucid stirrup]

nice lfg

[silver snow]

how lenient is the wall jump after smashing?

[true palm]

depends

[silver snow]

i have the visual with the dust i use

[lucid stirrup]

dont slam the wall

[silver snow]

that works pretty well

[true palm]

if ur eye is above the acid all the way its free

[lucid stirrup]

cancel cdash before you hit the wall

[true palm]

smashing the wall is easier

[lucid stirrup]

1. faster
2. more visual

[silver snow]

canceling seems harder

[lucid stirrup]

its not harder trust

[silver snow]

ill try a couple times

[lucid stirrup]

smashing wall is like completely arbitrary timing with no visual, cancelling cdash is a timing already programmed into our brains from double jumping and wall jumping out of cdashes, as well as its very visual

[true palm]

i use the audio cue at the end of the thud

as i said im an audio person

[silver snow]

i feel like the its hard to cancel at the right time

[true palm]

whatever works for you

the time loss is similar to the difference between the damage tank epogo and normal epogo, if you land the trick every time, thats better than a strat that saves half a second that you fail half the time

[lucid stirrup]

this is something you will literally never even consider messing up

once you practice a bit

[true palm]

keep in mind

gwonkee is better at the game than me

[lucid stirrup]

no im bad

[silver snow]

does leaving this area with low health bad?

[lucid stirrup]

keep that in mind

[lucid stirrup]

yes

[true palm]

queens gardens is hard

[silver snow]

oof

lol

[true palm]

you need full soul for the mantis arena

[lucid stirrup]

7* soul

7/9

[true palm]

7 and theres also a damage warp

[silver snow]

time to watch the rest of this tutorial

i feel like hollow knight fight is gonna be hard

[lucid stirrup]

you can only take 1 unintentional damage between monomon and herrah

actually are you on current patch

[silver snow]

1.2

[lucid stirrup]

oh okay ye then you only have 1 health to spare

anything after that is big timeloss

[silver snow]

dam..

[lucid stirrup]

cause you have to damage warp in qg, and damage tank 2 devouts, leaving you with 2 health

[silver snow]

guess healing up with dream nailling isnt the worst for a beginner

[lucid stirrup]

and you need one to live

[true palm]

unless you just get rng devout skip

[lucid stirrup]

not in any% you need geo

[true palm]

oh yah

[lucid stirrup]

yea dnailing enemies is highly recommended until you are confident in your QG

[surreal prism]

bro i beat my pb by 1 hour and 30 mins!

[true palm]

keep in mind i dont run any% anymore, i spent like 2 days learning the category

ran it, and submitted a 47 minute time and moved on

[silver snow]

haha yeh no prob

thanks for the help

[true palm]

np

[silver snow]

gonna learn the rest of this tnight hopefully

feel like i already forgot the first half of the route

[lucid stirrup]

[true palm]

if you keep your autosplitter up you should be able to just read the split names and itll come back to you

[silver snow]

yeh for sure

[true palm]

i have to do that for any% steel soul since its really similar to low% but in a different order

[bronze anchor]

if you use invincibility in debug mode you can practice QGA cdash timing on the actual wall you'll do QGA on

obv if you're too low you won't get punished but that was helpful for me

[empty cargo]

How do I change my game version? For speedrunning

[normal aspen]

[empty cargo]

Ok

Which method is simpler for steam?

[stiff delta]

Refunding and buying on gog

[empty cargo]

Bruh

No

[stiff delta]

Not even joking that is the easiest way to downpatch

but the other ways aren’t hard lmao

[empty cargo]

FOR STEAM

[stiff delta]

For steam?

Id say

the steam console patching method thats listed in the pins

[empty cargo]

K thanks

[stiff delta]

Or i mean just buy it on gog ez pz

[empty cargo]

On second thought I’ll just stick to current patch nmg

[stiff delta]

neat

[dawn idol]

Hello im trying to get into speedruning hollowknight

[verbal stag]

the pinned messages have a lot of good info for starting out

[dawn idol]

thank you

[exotic thunder]

please try to actually help people downpatch first instead of memeing about having to buy the game again

[stiff delta]

Alright, im sorry

[true palm]

downpatching isnt that hard, i just think visual aid helps a lot of people

in todays society where 90% of people just look up something on youtube, reading tends to leave a lot of confusion

[lean patrol]

Hello, wanted to share here that I've done my first ever speed run and wanted to thank the whole community for the research and tutorials from downpatching to livesplits and OBS, they really helped alot 😄 It's nothing impressive (1:26:36), but it's a good starting point for me to start learning the actual proper run https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18McNuUv1eg

I got one question, I've seen that with DebugMod, one can easily setup 'fake' dreamgates in order to practice; is there someplace where I could get a file with preset saves? ( for example QGA, Gruz, Hollow Knight, etc)

[kind flume]

awesome! can you access this link with a collection of savestates? #resources message

[lean patrol]

Nice ! Got'em, thanks alot ! ❤️

[kind flume]

good luck practicing!

[dawn idol]

E E E E E E E E E E E E

[spice flower]

No

[dawn idol]

Yes

Ee e e e e e e e e e e ee e e e

[meager current]

[tardy sable]

uhh just had an instance in practice where radiance is stuck in the center of the arena at the start of phase 4, did one attack and then just stopped

suddenly worried about moth lady what do

lol

it's kinda nice, we just chilling

[simple ice]

That can happen sometimes, for whatever reason

I don't believe there's a way to fix the fight, gotta quit out

[tardy sable]

wow ok, i see

[steady lynx]

She can't even progress to the final phase?

[simple ice]

No, it's a softlock

[steady lynx]

That's just kinda depressing

[tardy sable]

yea i tried, dropped her below 1300 hp and nothing happens. Thanks for the info monstah

save and quitted and was greeted by this, gonna restart game lol

[old sphinx]

At least the room loaded

[hushed onyx]

lmao

at least he didnt appear in crystal peaks

[slim shoal]

hehe

[jagged vault]

!srpsa

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[jagged vault]

#hk-meme

[subtle glade]

Hello, I've been trying to get into speedrunning lately, and I have a question. When I use inventory, it's not see-through, and when I watch other speedrunners it is. Is that an option somewhere? Or is something wrong in my game?

[digital jewel]

what does this mean

[ionic cargo]

you might just need to turn up your brightness settings

[normal aspen]

Do you have a screenshot?

[subtle glade]

Wait a sec

[subtle glade]

You were right, it's the brightness

[opal stratus]

Steel soul mode is so easy to speed run

I speed ran it so fast

I speed ran dying so fast

im so good at dying

[normal aspen]

You wanna not

[next nova]

How do I depatch to 1.2.2.1?

through GOG

[haughty fossil]

[next nova]

thanks

do i have to backup my save files before downpatching?

[hearty adder]

No

Save files are in another directory

Though backing up your save files is always a good idea anyways if you have a save you absolutely don't want to lose

[next nova]

alright

for some reason it wont let me run hollow knight through the GOG launcher

bought hk on steam so idk if that restricts me from being able to run through gog

[hearty adder]

You can only downpatch on GOG if you bought it on GOG

You have to downpatch through Steam if you have a Steam copy

[leaden python]

yeah you can run steam games through gog but you can't downpatch them through gog

[next nova]

downpatching through steam really be a whole process though lol

[hearty adder]

There's plenty of people here to help you along the way

[haughty fossil]

it's not that bad tbh

[quiet saddle]

?saves

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[next nova]

got the command so i've gotten through the bulk of it

thanks yall for the help

[next nova]

got it up and running!

[true palm]

gj!

next step is debug mod if you're up for it

[next nova]

whats that do?

[true palm]

its for practice, you can get infinite hp, savestates, etc.

really good for practicing bosses and fireball skips

in particluar

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/7br3d

[next nova]

alright i'll get that started later, just gonna run it a bit now

[digital jewel]

gl gl

[hearty adder]

Good luck! Remember that you're not allowed to have any mods installed on your game (unless you do a hkmod speedrun), including moddingAPI - you'll need a modded installation and an unmodded installation

[thin garnet]

Can anybody help me with watcher knights on switch for any percent nmg

[true palm]

ye step one, double check that you have shamans equipped

[thin garnet]

Yeah

[true palm]

k i'm post a bunch of links of different people explaining watcher knights

[thin garnet]

Sure

[true palm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlmjHynpIjc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc-_Vg-Y8ME

[thin garnet]

Look man fireb0rn is a god gamer

[true palm]

heres another one

its timestamped

https://youtu.be/ZgvBKmyGY9g?t=5714

[thin garnet]

Ok

[true palm]

and then last but not least me not sucking at watcher knights for a change

https://streamable.com/aw49xb

Start with practicing only the first knight, and kill him before the next two spawn

I believe the only major change is I believe they patched watcher knights so the bouncing glitch no long happens

But I could be wrong

Anyways watcher knights are going to be the hardest part of any% to learn so good luck

[thin garnet]

Thank you these are helpful

[true palm]

np, watcher knights are bullies

how do you think i know about all these videos

had to use them myself

[thin garnet]

Sad

[true palm]

in fact lost a couple runs on stream to watcher knights on low% lmao

[thin garnet]

Oof

[true palm]

but any% watcher knights you can get very consistent

[thin garnet]

Ok

Ohhhh is it because shaman counts as percent

[true palm]

also we dont get dash

[thin garnet]

OOF

Big rip

[true palm]

ye its a big rip, but its honestly super hype when you do them

[frank cobalt]

is there a way, in livesplit, to have subsplits but also keep "golds" for the full splits/segments?

that's literally the one reason I don't want to use subsplits.

[next nova]

@hearty adder how do i get a modded and an unmodded installation?

[digital jewel]

I would love that

[frank cobalt]

@digital jewel so I guess it's not possible then

[digital jewel]

not that I know about

[hearty adder]

Just copy and paste the Hollow Knight folder

[next nova]

alright thanks

[frank cobalt]

the only solution people have Xero, is to run two different livesplit instances with different split files.

RIP

Maybe I make an issue on the livesplit github

[limpid ruin]

Is jeffisepic here, I wanted to @ him bc I swear he said something about this

[frank cobalt]

I thought so, huh

I have never once looked at the codebase for Livesplit and have 0 clue how that would work

but I would love love love to use subsplits in all of my categories but this, bleh

this kills it

I want to see real golds to compare to comsob

I guess I could just add up my subsplit golds? but meh

[true palm]

^

[frank cobalt]

it's not the same 😢

[digital jewel]

yeah having dummy splits that only exist for mid-run comparison and aren't used when it comes to gold calculation would be amazing

[limpid ruin]

Implement it yourself for us

[frank cobalt]

I would love to honestly

[true palm]

its different with subsplits though, especially with geo and hp

[frank cobalt]

but I know nothing of livesplit

never even looked at the codebase, no idea what it's written in

also - I don't like to do work outside of work 😛

[limpid ruin]

It's written c# I believe, and the codebase is kinda cursed to get into, from personal experience 🥴

[true palm]

c# isnt the worst but its bad, i learned it for terraria modding

[limpid ruin]

Every language is garbage in its own right

[frank cobalt]

I love C# tbh

idk why you guys hate it haha

Granted I haven't professionally worked with it in like 5 years

[true palm]

idk im a C++ purist born and raised

[leaden python]

c# on its own is ok, but all the tooling around it related to getting it up going on windows is cursed beyond any recoverability. You basically just install 10 terabytes of IDE and hope that it magically works

[frank cobalt]

tbh I haven't really written any code in several months . mostly design, diagram documentation, setting up infrastructure.

either way - the livesplit repo looks fairly large

so while it'd be nice to make those changes... meh.

[limpid ruin]

Hopefully the edit made what I meant clearer

[frank cobalt]

I don't think I see any similar issues in their tracker...

[limpid ruin]

Issue it, give me a reason to look into it

[frank cobalt]

haha, are you a contributor?

hm, now to make a second github account so I don't doxx myself by filing this issue.

but tl;dr:

As a user, I would like to independently track Best Segment time for full segments that are made up of subsplits so that I can see the best full, single segment I've ever ran for a particular segment.

[limpid ruin]

Nah, I just wanna grab an issue and pr stuff

[stone flame]

Hey, quick question: do you not play HK in full screen so you can see the splits?

(unless you have more monitors)

[digital jewel]

you can force the splits to be on top even with fullscreen

[stone flame]

oh

I didn't know that

Thanks!

[true palm]

use windowed borderless by adding -popupwindow to launch settings

and run in windowed borderless

[stone flame]

Thanks!

[naive kite]

does anyone know what I did wrong?

[limpid ruin]

Do you have dotnet installed (looks like it, but double check etc)

[naive kite]

yes

[limpid ruin]

Is that the same folder as the depotdownloader?

[naive kite]

I extracted it into a new folder

does the folder have to be named that

[limpid ruin]

It just has to be extracted to wherever and the command has to point to it

So if the dll file is in /desktop/new folder/ like your cmd prompt it should be fine

[naive kite]

uhhh

I am so lost

[digital jewel]

did you try the other way of downpatching first?

[naive kite]

yeah that didnt work either

[digital jewel]

ok what didn't work with that one?

[naive kite]

this one right?

it oppened and immidietly said this

[digital jewel]

when was the last time you updated your steam

[naive kite]

today

I think I just typed something wrong in the code I showed first

cause I didnt copy paste it cause I couldnt find the message

[digital jewel]

the steam patcher works fine for me

uhh

is this .d11

lol

instead of .dll

that might be your issue

[naive kite]

..

I am dumb I am sorry

[digital jewel]

we've all been there

[naive kite]

Ty its working now

[limpid ruin]

Hm, it being d11 shouldnt even make it not run i think, or is that me being spoiled by linux? But good catch, xero

[naive kite]

thats so dumb

why does ll and 11 look the same in the code

[digital jewel]

I mean it makes sense that naming the file correctly is required

[naive kite]

yeah I know just why do they look so similar lmao

but ty!

[bronze anchor]

this was hilarious to read back, I'm glad your issue was resolved Kar

[naive kite]

kind of

I am dumb once again

[digital jewel]

🙂

[naive kite]

I forgot to put the numbers

cool it works now

:)

[hexed locust]

i made splits for the day i have the computer and confidence to run all skills

[thorn jasper]

you are an amazing poet

[hexed locust]

thank you funny bc i actually write poetry for fun irl but it's a little more,,,,complex than this haha

[haughty fossil]

job interview
acceptance letter

[hexed locust]

yep
you get the gig!!! of eternally containing the infection

[wise wolf]

Whats ur best vs split guys

[stiff delta]

3:34 iirc

[digital jewel]

3:28.72

[serene coral]

3:49

[wise wolf]

Damn

[limpid ruin]

3:3slow

i had a period where i averaged 3:35 but then my hands started sucking again and now my brain sucks so playing decently is now officially impossible

[finite rapids]

I need help with the watcher knight fight. I can get the first one pretty consistently, but once two of them spawn I get absolutely destroyed. Any tips for learning it and getting more consistent?

[limpid ruin]

mmm, trying to keep them together on one side of you is always a comfy move

[verbal stag]

https://youtu.be/Oc-_Vg-Y8ME is a good video to learn some strats

[finite rapids]

ooo thanks

[verbal stag]

also fire's any% tutorial

[limpid ruin]

otherwise; dont commit to actions too early, aka dont dash until you know its right time for example

otherwise just that video and fireb0rn's, together with watching runs

[finite rapids]

alright

[limpid ruin]

and practice practice practice

[finite rapids]

I think I should use vs more

because it's pretty much the same as three hits

which is a lot

[verbal stag]

yeah its definitely your main damage output

[limpid ruin]

its actually 20dmg for single hits, it can hit two at once, even double hit during jumps and rolls, and nail does 5 dmg only

so for sure learn to VS efficiently

[finite rapids]

ok

[thorn jasper]

The folks who answered have a lot of experience. Don't feel bad about your times starting off! As long as you're striving to improve, I'm proud of you

[wise wolf]

🥰 ty

[last inlet]

agreed, my vs splits started at like 4:30

practice does quite a lot for going nyoom

[knotty vigil]

I dare a speedrunner to do a no damage run of hollow knight LOL

[thorn jasper]

A couple folks have done that already

[wise wolf]

Im p sure fire did a glass soul one

Ye

[knotty vigil]

They what-

[thorn jasper]

Fire did glass soul a while back, and Jenkar did hitless any% recently

[knotty vigil]

Huh

Neat

So it’s possible

[thorn jasper]

Indeed

There are no required damage tanks or deaths to beat the game

[knotty vigil]

And I’m guessing they used speedrun strats to skip most of the bosses?

[thorn jasper]

No skipping bosses. Fair and square fights

[meager current]

you only really do the required bosses

[digital jewel]

well it doesn't require any speedrun strats to skip most of the bosses in this game

they're almost all optional

[knotty vigil]

Yeah that’s what I meant

[thorn jasper]

Oh I thought you meant glitches

[knotty vigil]

Like I know you can skip some via sequence breaking

[grand scroll]

where do you go when you have to shade skip Blue Lake?

[digital jewel]

there's no real sequence breaks that skip any bosses. I suppose watcher's spire without wings skips broken vessel?

but that's only 1

[last inlet]

the only bossfight we can really skip is hornet 1 (and broken vessel)

and we dont skip hornet in any%

[knotty vigil]

Really? Hm, I gotta pay attention more lol

[thorn jasper]

Deepnest, Tram Pass brings us to right side City

[grand scroll]

ooh right

deepnest hitless, pretty scary

[last inlet]

i guess if you're gonna be really technical you could argue qga skips dung defender but you can also just take deepnest route which definitely doesn't skip any bosses

[grand scroll]

False knight count as boss skip?

[thorn jasper]

Getting to Uumuu without Isma's is definitely a sequence break imo

[digital jewel]

well skipping him isn't essential to the route

you could kill him

but also the fight skip is intentional by team cherry