speedrunning

[true palm]

they help make the fight a lot easier, lmk if you need links

[regal viper]

I did

Both of them actually

I need more practice

[true palm]

all 3?

[regal viper]

All three lol

[true palm]

ye just practice then

[regal viper]

Ye

[true palm]

i've dropped probably like 12 or so hours on the fight so i feel your pain

[regal viper]

I have trouble with them even in pantheon

12 more hours then poggers

[true palm]

how consistent are you with the first knight?

are you able to kill him before the second one spawns?

[regal viper]

25% of the time yes

75% of the time turns into a 2v1 real quick

[true palm]

you just need to get more comfortable on the first knight then

[regal viper]

With the fight in general

I just need to get killed 1.000 times more

[true palm]

dont try to fight 2 at once until you can kill the first knight 90% of the timebefore the second one starts spawning

[dreamy bough]

^

the first one is your dummy to learn "how to deal with WK 101"

[true palm]

its really important that the second and third spawn together as well

so that way you can group them together

[dreamy bough]

it allows you to learn the strats to fight once there's two without having the stress of having to watch the second

[true palm]

if you group both of them they'll roll together more often, meaning a) more damage and b) they die at the same time allowing you to heal

which means that not only does the first one teach you the fight when killed properly

it also make the rest easier

[regal viper]

I allways have a problem with Knight one that I don't really know how to solve

[true palm]

what problem is that?

[regal viper]

He allways rolls in his first/second attack

Making the fight real slow

[true palm]

if he rolls you should jump over, dash and fireball him, giving you a double hit

[dreamy bough]

you're likely not saying close enough

you're running any%, right?

[regal viper]

Yes

[true palm]

a double hit does 40 damage, which is equal to 8 nail swings

[dreamy bough]

fireball doubles or triples are rather doable on rolls as long as you know the right height

(and timing)

[regal viper]

I use vs a lot when they roll and I usually get doubled

Sometimes triples

[true palm]

then you're doing well

if you're honestly struggling a lot, you can either send me a clip or livestream it, and i can give pointers if you want

[regal viper]

Do I have to stand closer to the knight?

[true palm]

you should be as close to the first knight as possible at all times

[regal viper]

I think I'll just practice for some time

[dreamy bough]

yeah, you want to stay close to bait out swings

[regal viper]

But I'll consider It if I can't get more consistent in a week or so, thanks

[true palm]

np

[regal viper]

I'll try to get closer

I think I'm just really scared

[true palm]

as a rule of thumb, you'll have an easier time with the boss if you're closer to it

obviously uumuu has specific movements, and there are times when you need to move away

[hearty adder]

you'll 100% get less scared the more you do the fight

[dreamy bough]

a lot of bosses you have to stay close to be efficient because your goal is more to kill than to survive

[hearty adder]

even if it's not perfect, just getting used to what's going on it important

[dreamy bough]

heck a lot of stuff (devouts....)

[true palm]

playing "safe" will get you killed more often than being fast, in low% there are damage patterns from watcher knights where we just get hit period end of story, its about how fast we can kill them, not how safe we are

obviously dont just take free damage

[regal viper]

I never try to heal

[true palm]

you can heal if they both bounce/roll at the same time, and you can move out of the way during the first half of the attack

[regal viper]

In any bossfight in general, I have bad experiences healing mid-fight

[regal viper]

Good to know

[true palm]

you should try to fireball though if theyre rolling away even if its a chance to heal once you're comfortable

but i for instance heal during watcher knights on low% all the time, just due to how rng the fight can be

[regal viper]

I saw in a Speedrun a while ago someone taking a nail upgrade before watchers, is It worth?

[true palm]

nail one watchers is a beginner strat, ur welcome to implement it if you continue to struggle

im not sure where the geo comes from

i've personally never used it, so i cant inform you on the route

[hallow orchid]

You pick up an extra journal above mantis village and trade the WK seal for the rafters seal I believe

Sell to lemm before WK

[regal viper]

I think I'm going to take the god gamer route lol

[true palm]

for context, upgraded nail increases your damage from 5-9, but most of your damage comes from VS + Shaman's Stone

it will make your Uumuu significantly easier to 2 cycle

[regal viper]

I also use a lot of vs, I don't think It's actually worth it

[true palm]

vs is worth it, does 4 times your nail damage

VS does 20 damage

with shamans

[dreamy bough]

doubles/triples do that much more, too

[regal viper]

I'll think on uumuu whenever I get there

[regal viper]

I was talking about the nail upgrad

[dreamy bough]

2 cycle uumuu isn't TOO bad but there's both a ton of rng and a ton of learning to get anywhere near ok at it

[true palm]

2 cycle uumuu can be tough to adapt to extra attacks with, and also sucks if you fail a nail cancel, but nail upgrade makes it pretty free

[regal viper]

I love vs and I know how powerfull it is

[regal viper]

I'll eventually learn Uumuu aswell

[true palm]

if there was anything i could change about low%, it'd be just having VS have Shamans hitbox

[regal viper]

Mine's bigger

Sorry lol

[true palm]

ur all good, the fact that i can be just as effective with my little baby VS is what makes me a chad

[regal viper]

Too much watchers for today, I think I'm going to rest and come back with more questions tomorrow

[random oak]

yo can someone tell me why in debug mod my quick cast and focus will continually flip flop themselves randomly in rooms? Is this normal? Or do I need to clear reg every time it starts acting up?

[true palm]

would one of those happen to be bound to your mouse

[random oak]

using controller

but in keyboard settings they are unbound

[true palm]

would you happen to have changed quickcast to a face button and and focus to your bumper?

[random oak]

right now the O button on my ps4 controller is quick cast and focus in rb

[digital jewel]

so sometimes they swap places?

[random oak]

yes

they will randomly swap back and forth

[normal aspen]

so u can heal with quick cast?

[random oak]

so I go to focus in a room for health and then waste soul firing fireballs

or will try to shoot a quick fireball at an enemy and will try to start healing

[true palm]

im assuming your bindings are just getting changed, hypothetically, you could swap the bindings in something like ds4 windows or steam

[fair lagoon]

Okay, so question. I'm probably gonna attempt my "speedrun" of low% GE soon. I got Livesplit ready, but I don't have actual splits set up. I kind of don't care to, since the only reason I really have livesplit at all is to time the run at all.

If this is a problem, I may need a bit of help setting up like, some sorta autosplitter

[kind flume]

You don't need actual splits to get accepted on the leaderboards

[dreamy bough]

there are no low% GE boards

[thorn jasper]

you may want to set up something so you get loadless time

[true palm]

good luck to you for trying to speedrun godhome ending, do you have a route?

[kind flume]

livesplit does with or without splits or autosplitter tho, right?

[thorn jasper]

the autosplitter and load remover are the same entity

[true palm]

i'll assist you in anyway i can, i think low% ge is the coolest category idea, give me a second, theres some routing ideas that were being discussed that i can link you

[haughty fossil]

use mr mushroom location 6 autosplit and a single split

[dreamy bough]

low% GE is cursed af tbqh

[haughty fossil]

will autostart and split on game end

[dreamy bough]

like, standard GE is pretty hard

nail 0 vs absrad? Gl

[fair island]

coolest idea = doing p5 with nail0, vs, no charms, 5 health, no soul vessels.

[true palm]

you do get dive, though

[dreamy bough]

no

[true palm]

you need it to kill flukemarm

[dreamy bough]

oh wait

right

yes

hmm

still cursed

[thorn jasper]

you also need to get to godhome

[fair lagoon]

truthfully, not really. I'm just in this to get it on the map. The "speedrun" is probably going to look more like "a briskly paced playthrough with goddamn Low% P5 at the end"

the second person to complete the run WILL be faster than me, I'm sure

[true palm]

i'll give you a list of the required percents, and once you have a route, i can setup or help you setup an autosplitter

[fair island]

the challenge isn't speed. its the ability to complete it

[dreamy bough]

yeah but

challenge runs aren't necessarilly speedruns

[fair island]

its like doing ab p5 but after going though 3-4ish hours of gameplay

[dreamy bough]

(though going fast is nice because urgh long resets)

it's worse than ab p5

[fair island]

yea its nail binding++ and with spell binding

[dreamy bough]

ab p5 gives you void spells and nail2-ish i believe

you get one more mask

[thorn jasper]

do you only plan to do it the one time?

[dreamy bough]

and two more spell cast

[true palm]

would recommend you look into low% all bosses instead

very similar category, but 1/3 of the time

[dreamy bough]

you get dwielder too, i guess

[true palm]

you still get to do NKG and stuff

https://pastebin.com/xNRLcbqf k heres the categories for ya @fair lagoon

[fair lagoon]

I can do GE. I nailed the pantheon in practice yesterday, and I'm reasonably certain I can complete it in a single segment run. I got this

[fair island]

you dont even get shadow dash

[true palm]

you do

required for traitor lord

and voidheart

[fair island]

oh i missed that

[regal viper]

All skills does deepnest without lantern?

[fair island]

yes but you can get it if you want

[fair lagoon]

lantern isn't %

[true palm]

dark deepnest isnt bad, and they dont do much of it

[fair island]

you can collect relics and sell to lemm to make up the extra 1800 geo

[regal viper]

Oh I'm talking about All Skills not mow%

[silver snow]

What controller do most people use to speedrun btw ?

[true palm]

doesnt really matter

if you are gonna go out and buy one for this game, clawgrip is easier for right to left fireball skips on an xbox style controller

[silver snow]

I’ve been doing mouse and keyboard but I think I want to try a controller

[fair island]

there's dark deepnest + 1 dark room before ddark

[normal aspen]

Mouse

[true palm]

people run on literally every control scheme imaginable

[silver snow]

Yeh mouse is pretty annoying with having to use the blue.exe thing

[regal viper]

Ok thanks!

[kind flume]

I used an xbox 360 first, but now I'm using a Switch pro controller which is a significant improvement. Haven't tried any others tho

[normal aspen]

Simply just use kb

[true palm]

if you're used to running kb and mouse, just run kb

not a big transition

[silver snow]

Is it easy to use switch controller with Pc ?

[regal viper]

I've got a friend that Speedruns p4 with a gamecube controller

[regal viper]

Really easy

[true palm]

if you're trying to avoid more software and hassle, its not supported on 1221

[regal viper]

Hoy can just use bluetooth on the controller

[true palm]

you either a) hove to use joy2key or b) change your folder name everytime you swap versions

[kind flume]

Easy if you're on steam, just enable it in controller settings

[true palm]

if you want to swap versions though, you'll have to change which folder is steams default game

works better than blues stuff

[silver snow]

I’ve already downpatched the game on steam

So if I can connect switch pro controller with steam and it’s simple to do I’ll prolly do that

[true palm]

if you already own a switch pro controller, i'll show you how to make it your default game

see how theres 3 hollow knights

[silver snow]

Yeh

[true palm]

only the one titled "Hollow Knight" will work with switch pro

so any time you need to swap versions

you need to rename the folders

[silver snow]

Oh rlly ? So if I’m trying to practice on the mod with switch pro I’ll have to change the folder name ?

[true palm]

yes

[silver snow]

Ahh interesting

[true palm]

its what i do personally

not that hard

[silver snow]

Yeh I’ll prolly just do that

Thanks for the info. Imma try to do it when I get home

[true palm]

np

[echo aspen]

can't submit because I didn't record, but I got my first sub 1h on any% NMG :D

[meager current]

?

[dreamy bough]

gg!

[true palm]

out of curiosity what patch?

[echo aspen]

1.2.2.1

[true palm]

pog

[echo aspen]

very pogger

[valid tundra]

Not sure if this is the right place to ask but is getting kings brand and opening the abyss before monarch wings any amount useful for any of the runs?

[last inlet]

don't think in any main categories

there might be a niche use for that

[true palm]

abyss climb without wings is kinda annoying

[last inlet]

and that

[haughty fossil]

wings speeds up movement

[last inlet]

in most cases where we need something from the abyss we also need wings (or at least it's faster to get them)

[haughty fossil]

so you want wings relatively early in all categories that get wings

[prime delta]

g h o s t b u s t e r s

[valid tundra]

Oh true. Wasn't sure if having abyss shriek would be useful. I just found how to get the brand without wings by accident and wasn't sure if it was worth anything lmao

[haughty fossil]

its useful in randomizer

[last inlet]

abyss shriek is generally one of the later abilities to get

[true palm]

true ending kills broken vessel and lost kin at the same time, and all skills still kills broken vessel pretty early on

[last inlet]

random seed leaderboards

[true palm]

there used to be a route for early abyss shriek in true ending

but one cycle uumuu scrapped it

[last inlet]

the route pastebin still has an alternate abyss shriek route

but yeah everyone does shade soul only

since sanctum is hella slow (and rng) and getting wraiths/shriek is also a decent size detour for something that isn't exactly necessary

[true palm]

early shriek was not only super cursed, but it stopped saving time one the one cycle uumuu was discovered

back when uumuu was two cycle it technically saved time due to how fast the radiance fight was

[last inlet]

i think previously it was theoretically faster but more rng or smth

also probably harder

[true palm]

it was significantly harder, only Monstahler ran it

[last inlet]

i wouldn't like to do overcharm birthplace without being able to shade soul the siblings to get out of a corner

[valid tundra]

At least casual/steel soul stuff is easier getting shade cloak so soon lmao. Thannks for the answers tho. I couldn't find any videos or forum discussions on even getting it early let alone if it was useful

[true palm]

just get wings early, theyre super useful everywhere

[last inlet]

yeah overall wings tend to help out more

[true palm]

great hopper does harder skips but yes

[last inlet]

it does cursed shade skip into blue lake (vs only), then another shade skip to the ghopper in ke

it's literally just vs -> shade skip to city -> shade skip to ghopper

that's the whole route

everything is cursed

[fair island]

that's the whole route downplays the amount of work that goes into the route

[last inlet]

i mean the vs split isnt but you get the point

i never said anything was easy

[normal aspen]

Gh% is pretty spicy

[last inlet]

just that that's all the places you go

[normal aspen]

If anyone ever does the version where u don't need Shade Skip for the second part it will kill the category

[last inlet]

how do you skip the second shade skip?

havent seen that

is it cursed aspid pogoing

[fair island]

get mantis claw and use normal any% shade skip

[fair island]

its still a shade skip

[last inlet]

wait is that actually faster? ig if you skip cloak?

[fair island]

yes

[last inlet]

or does cloak still make it faster than doing the low% skip

into fungal

[fair island]

dash doesnt do anything, the problem is gaining height

[true palm]

cloaks faster

[last inlet]

well but horizontal speed elsewhere

[normal aspen]

It's cursed ask If pogoing

[true palm]

low% still gets claw later than any%

[normal aspen]

To do it without shade skip

[last inlet]

ah ok

does anyone have a clip of that? i'm curious now

[normal aspen]

Fastest possible wings you get dash claw fb nail1

[true palm]

that skips honestly lit, the one where you fireball the shade in basin

[last inlet]

yeah it's really cool

[granite field]

iirc glowing womb also works to bait the shade

[last inlet]

you still need vs tho to airstall correct?

[fair island]

im so happy no casual complained to TC that i tried to pogo but now my shade is stuck in the middle of no where

there's a airstall in basin skip?

[last inlet]

dont actually know

i assumed there would be

since that tends to make getting height easier

[granite field]

I don't have all or the details but I just know that VS one shot the shade if you have 5 Mask and nail 0

[last inlet]

yeah it does

[normal aspen]

Nah you don't need fb for basin skip

[last inlet]

damn ok

[normal aspen]

But you need it to get to gwomb without cdash

So it's easier to just do the fb version

[true palm]

you pick up fragile heart or something like that usually

[last inlet]

in that case the optimal route for true ending is clearly to skip fireball and get early wings before cdash

[granite field]

this "just" requiere a spike tunnel with 2 vs, right?

and dash

[last inlet]

yeah

[normal aspen]

You just get nail 1

[last inlet]

and just noclip through the spike tunnel

[normal aspen]

Fragile Heart only gives 15 shade hp

[true palm]

i see

[prime delta]

nail 1 with 5 masks gives it 18 hp, right

[true palm]

i'm not a randomizer player, im not versed in shade hp

[prime delta]

I think it's like (base nail damage) * (((# masks at death) / 2) rounded down)

[fair lagoon]

how do I disable modding api?

[fair island]

in 1221?

[true palm]

verify integrity of the game files in current patch is the fastest

[fair lagoon]

make this go away, in current patch

[granite field]

Yep. From the Steam option
Or manually delete it

[fair island]

do this^^

[fair lagoon]

where's it stored to cut/paste out, if anyone knows? I guess I could just rerun mod installer to get it back if needed

[granite field]

?saves

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[true palm]

for future reference, recommend duplicating your hollow knight folder to have modded and unmodded versions, and putting the steam app_id file in there

[fair island]

verifying doesnt take much time so its not that bad

[granite field]

Uh not this one lol

sorry

[true palm]

just verify game files

[fair island]

plus its much easier

[fair lagoon]

yeah I'll just verify

[true palm]

and reinstall mod installer

all ur save files will be saved

you might need to install custom skins again if you have any

[fair lagoon]

I just completely cut out the mods folder from the directory to restore later

[true palm]

that doesnt fix the api

[fair lagoon]

it has all my diabled mods/skins and crap

[true palm]

you can save it though

[fair island]

verifying integrity doesnt yeet the mods folder

[haughty fossil]

the file is Assembly-Csharp.dll in your managed folder

[fair island]

it only yeets the api

[fair lagoon]

righto. Sorry

[true palm]

you're all good

you still committed to low% godhome ending?

[fair lagoon]

hell yeah. I can do it. I beat the pantheon in practice yesterday, I see no reason I can't repeat it in a few run attempts at most

[little kelp]

Should I try to go for a 1 - 1:30 hour speedrun

[last inlet]

go for whatever time you feel good about

[little kelp]

I've been studying the route for those 30 minute speedruns but I can't get the downgrades or glitches

[last inlet]

you can still have a good run on the most recent version of the game

if you're looking to get patch 1221 installed there's a guide on speedrun.com

[little kelp]

I've already done a 3:30 hour Nmg any% speedrun

[little kelp]

I have console

[last inlet]

in that case there isn't

[haughty fossil]

there's a current patch any% guide on speedrun.com too 😤

[last inlet]

^

[bronze anchor]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/gq0g3

is good

[haughty fossil]

u

[last inlet]

(i was referring to downpatching not the 1221 route by this)

[little kelp]

1.2.21 allows for fast falling by opening the menu right?

[last inlet]

yes

it's still possible on co

cp

[true palm]

you can do it on current patch but its much harder

[haughty fossil]

current patch technically also has them, the're just frame perfect 🙂

[last inlet]

but frame perfect

[true palm]

physics frame perfect, so 1/50th of a second

[granite field]

CP also allows but if you have the choice, go for 1221, really

[bronze anchor]

don't let frame perfect wording scare you off, after you try them a bunch they're somewhat consistent

[granite field]

I mean if you're on PC and no perf issues

[fair island]

who is rafter

ik its the seal next to lemm

[granite field]

ah I didn't see it was console. My bad

[little kelp]

I could plug my surface pro into my PS4 and mess with it from there

[fair lagoon]

one more question, if I may. I assume timer starts as soon as I hit new game, and stops on the final blow of absrad, yes?

[haughty fossil]

thats uhh not how that works

[haughty fossil]

are you on pc?

[little kelp]

It was a joke

[fair lagoon]

perfect. I think I'm ready to do this at any time, now.

[fair island]

is livesplit setup?

[haughty fossil]

if on pc then autosplitter starts timer on kp drop, and ends at the end

timer also ends on the fade to black after absrad, not the final blow

[little kelp]

Do godmaster mode games count for godhome speedruns

[true palm]

@fair lagoon just use livesplit as a timer, with loads removed, but dont set up any autosplits if you dont have a route

[fair lagoon]

no splits, I just have livesplit's timer raw in the lower right. How would I remove loads?

[haughty fossil]

make 1 split

[fair island]

it probably wouldnt matter in a low% GE

[granite field]

It ends automatically in any ending yep. If your last split is one for them

[haughty fossil]

add an arbritrary autosplit (mr mushroom location 6) in autosplitter

autosplitter needs at least 1 entry to function

[last inlet]

pantheon ils yes, godhome ending/112 runs no

[little kelp]

No I mean any percent gh ending speedruns

[last inlet]

in that case no

[little kelp]

Sad

[haughty fossil]

there's happy couple% i think emray routed

[little kelp]

Do I have to upload my speedrun to speedrun.com to get the speedrunner role?

[haughty fossil]

because thats bad ending

[granite field]

Yes. Then ask a srcmod

and get it verified, of course

[last inlet]

it'll take a week or 2ish to be verified

depends on category

[little kelp]

I wish I recorded my first speedrun

[last inlet]

shorter runs will take less time for obvious reasons

[granite field]

you can ask here btw, should be alright, no need to ping unless necessary (for the role)

[last inlet]

pop wrs usually get verified in a very short time bc they're like 2 minutes long

[little kelp]

How

[true palm]

theres less to verify

[last inlet]

less of the run means verifiers dont need to watch as much video

[true palm]

if theres a 40 hour run submitted, technically you'd have to skim all of it to ensure no cheating or major glitches were used

[fair island]

that was a troll

[true palm]

if path of pain has a 2 minute world record, thats obviously a higher priority than veruleans 6 hour any% run

which was also a troll

[granite field]

or 24 hours and 3 minutes KP NMG IL

[little kelp]

The fastest blind 112% speedrun for HK is 132 hours

[normal aspen]

If I only have 5 mins I may as well verify a 5 min run instead of nothing at all

[true palm]

speaking of verifying, when are all the volunteers gonna get sorted through?

[hearty adder]

Where's that one Serena screenshot again

[somber cedar]

I started learning AS today (okay, so that was 50% setting up modded and unmodded downpatched versions, but still). Starting to get spiketunnel/isma's occasionally, but I have a lot of trouble with fireball skips in gp

[hearty adder]

Are you using the quick cast button?

[somber cedar]

I looked at tutorials, but most that I found were on controller, and I use keyboard, and "hold stick left, tap right" doesn't translate well

[tardy sable]

if you are using quick cast, try putting a video here so we can diagnose

if not, use quick cast

[somber cedar]

I have quick cast on. Will post video if some more practice doesn't help, I was just confused about that part of the tutorial

[true palm]

tap d or right arrow immediately before quickcast

[granite field]

if you're successing the spiketunnel that's great. Good starting point imo

[somber cedar]

(btw all the resources are super cool, both the install guide and pisces video series and everybody here being so helpful 💜. I've been lurking for a while to learn more)

[hearty adder]

You don't need to use analog stick & dpad for fireball skips. Just holding a direction and quickly tapping the opposite direction with your keyboatd should suffice

[true palm]

i ram my joystick to the opposite side and back for half my fireball skips

[tardy sable]

there are a lot of things that can go wrong with fb skip, including but not limited to:

• jumping too early
• fireballing too early
• not jumping max height
• dropping between fireballs
• not immediately going left after fireball

[somber cedar]

I mean, I get all of those wrong some of the time still . But my biggest problem is that I don't get the turnaround->fireball right

[somber cedar]

that's actually pretty helpful to hear, thank you

[hearty adder]

I almost asked whether you're on pc or console until I remembered you mentioned playing on keyboard
Do you have debug mod?

[frosty briar]

I kinda feel bad for doing this but how could I appeal a run rejection, it says my splits/layout is covering the HUD (kind of true) but then states that the rules are as follows : « Game audio must be present and HUD elements (masks, soul and geo) must be visible. » this is respected in my run. https://youtu.be/oz87aw_TJkQ <@&284848710960021504>

[somber cedar]

yeah, I'm practising with debug mod, I would probably have given up in frustration hours ago otherwise 😄

[hearty adder]

That's good, at least you have infinite soul to practice

[frosty briar]

I guess for this specific segment geo is kind of hidden yeah ::

Damn this sucks

[dry sluice]

not a big deal, just move it to the other side and do a new run

[frosty briar]

Yeah, I know but still. Thanks anyways

[granite field]

up-right corners seems a good place for it
and also yeah, good luck re-doing a run

[short spire]

bottom right gang

[hearty adder]

Bottom horizontal splits gang

[stray kestrel]

just remove your splits altogether and use rta

[granite field]

I also suggest to decrease the size of livesplit a bit. It seems too big, would be more enjoyable that way, but as you want

[hearty adder]

Since you're uploading at 720p, you can get away with making livesplit smaller and still being readable

[frosty briar]

I might just record hollow knight individually from livesplit anyway, just fixes the issue

Unless the timer has to be visible for igt?

[true palm]

timer has to be visible for loadless times

[frosty briar]

Ok yeah

[granite field]

well pretty sure it needs to be visible for this

[frosty briar]

Then I’ll move it

[true palm]

if you want you can do a streamer-esque layout

[frosty briar]

Meh not a fan of this style

[granite field]

For the simple reason that I don't think it's humanly possible to time every loading zones and calculate an accurate thing

[stray kestrel]

you only need to have the actual timer visible, your splits dont matter for verification

[frosty briar]

Yeah of course

[hearty adder]

Even if it's was possible it'd take too long to be achievable across hundreds of runs

[granite field]

Yep also true

[true palm]

ye then just have it on the right

[granite field]

damn that looks also huge lol

[true palm]

its large, but i like it big because i read my timer off obs

[exotic thunder]

slugcat pog

[crystal relic]

no pc no splits gang

[true palm]

rainworld is such a good game, but the speedruns for it are pretty boring ngl

[frosty briar]

Yeah that’s good ^^

[hearty adder]

While we're at it, having a real time timer isn't required, right? I wanna edit my layout a bit and was considering only having loadless & segment timers so I have more space for other stuff

[fair lagoon]

Okay, took some dinkin' around, but I got autosplitter set to cut out my load times and am basically good to go as soon as I have the block of time needed to stream/record

[true palm]

real timer isnt required

[last inlet]

use a fake timer instead

[true palm]

timers are for decoration obviously

[granite field]

it isn't requiered but I personnaly added it on the livesplit. It's easier to write when submitting

[true palm]

just swap your current comparison when submitting if you dont want a real time timer

[granite field]

It's just synced with start/end of run, with the autosplit thing, but doesn't calculate loading zones

[stray kestrel]

i have a realtime timer because occasionally i get loads that are like 30+ seconds and the realtime timer shows that the video didnt just like break

[knotty vigil]

E

[hearty adder]

Good point

My loads on cp are ok but on 1221 i sometimes get 10+ seconds transitions

[amber lotus]

yea i am getting better at any% watcher knights. consistently kiling 3 now... and averaging a full kill on them every 15min or so now :p Progress! now to just grind out the fight another 500 times..

[hearty adder]

Progress is progress

[true palm]

@amber lotus congrats man, let us know when its consistent, its a pretty huge milestone for runners

[amber lotus]

i can only handle 30min-1hour a day of grinding that fight out.. gets exhausting... and making dumb mistakes after that much time

[true palm]

i wish i was like that, i get into this zone and forget how long i've been practicing, and it still doesnt help my consistency

[hearty adder]

It's more important to learn a little bit more everytime than just endlessly doing the fight. 30 minutes/1 hour practice is good

As long as you're getting better

[serene coral]

the important thing is

be yourself

[crystal relic]

good luck with the runs!

[silver snow]

anyone know where i can find the original folder for hollow knight? im trying to rename these folders to use my switch pro controller on them, but i can only find my modded folder and the 1.2 version folder

[digital jewel]

steam->steamapps->common

[thorn jasper]

Or there's a way to open the directory from steam. Like something in a right click menu has local files and then browse local files

[silver snow]

found it!

thanks

[quiet saddle]

Do any of y'all turn off v-sync and manually throttle the FPS so it doesn't murder your CPU?

[neon island]

Yes

Vsync sucks

I cap mine at 200 FPS

[haughty fossil]

vsync in this game is the worst thing known to man

[quiet saddle]

What program do you use?

[true palm]

vysnc ruins everything in the game, fps determines how enemies move, how far you dash, how you're inputs register, knockback etc.

i use the nvidia tool

[quiet saddle]

What's its name? I think I have nvidia so I wanna download it

[true palm]

nvidia control panel

[wise wolf]

Guys how does rando speedrunning work

[last inlet]

usually bingo format

[wise wolf]

I watched a vid on it nd im confused

[quiet saddle]

Oh I'm dumb; my old rig had Nvidia. I have Radeon.

I found it tho

[true palm]

type ?randomizer racer

or something like that

[last inlet]

people get a bingo card of things to do and the same seed and race

[neon island]

I use RivaTuner Statistics Server

[true palm]

dont remember the command

?rank randomizer racer

[sick raven]

@true palm, you joined Randomizer Racer.

[true palm]

that one

[wise wolf]

Ok, do they get to see the seed beforehand?

[normal aspen]

Yeah I use Rivatuner Statistics Server too

[last inlet]

(you should probably leave again if you dont want pings)

no

everyone goes into the seed blind

[wise wolf]

Oh damn

[last inlet]

(i dont actually play rando really this is from what i've picked up)

[wise wolf]

Ohh ok

[true palm]

you should try a casual rando run first

they're really fun

[last inlet]

^

[wise wolf]

i dont have pc

[true palm]

awww feels bad

well you can still speedrun on console

and thats pretty sick

[last inlet]

rip

[wise wolf]

Ye

Im doin the 5 hr speedrun rn

[true palm]

welp goodluck with it

[wise wolf]

Ty

[true palm]

if you have any questions #hk-help is the place to go

[wise wolf]

Lol i went there at first and was redirected here

[true palm]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[true palm]

they do that a lot

[wise wolf]

Lol

[last inlet]

(the rando race question here was fine though)

[wise wolf]

Ok cool

[last inlet]

you're all good

[true palm]

ye rando is fine and stuff like that, but if we had to help everyone with 5 hour or 20 hour 100%, it'd be a very different channel

[wise wolf]

Ye np

[haughty fossil]

demystifying:

rando races come in 3 main formats nowadays, blackout bingo, lockout bingo and spoiler DAB. in blackout, usually teams of 2 compete to fill a bingo board and kill radiance on a random seed w/ no preparation.

Lockout is a 1v1 format where 2 players play on a random seed w/ no preparation for the first to 13 goals, where if a goal is marked the other person cannot get the goal.

Spoiler DAB is random seed with 10 minutes to look at the spoiler log and then you choose 1 line to force your opponent to do. you must then do 1 bingo line + the line your opponent forced you to do. First to get both lines wins.

[blazing aspen]

Here's a strange question likely more for srcom mods, I obviously need game audio, but if I play louder music over it is it fine to be verified

[true palm]

you dont need game music, but game audio must be clear

[wise wolf]

Ohhh ok ty!

[blazing aspen]

K thx!

[last inlet]

as long as sound like enemies, nail, jumps, etc. are audible it's allowed

[quiet saddle]

Anyone else here have a Radeon GPU? I tried setting the FPS limiting options in the Radeon software but my game's still running at like 450 FPS with vsync off lol

[ionic sparrow]

i use rivatuner to cap fps

i have a radeon card

[quiet saddle]

Sick, I'll give that a try

Anything special I need to know?

[ionic sparrow]

nah rivatuner is really simple

[quiet saddle]

Yo, we're in business

Thanks pest

[primal lance]

Trying some of these skips over and over again really takes a toll on the 'ol thumbs >.<

[thorn jasper]

First the thumbs, then the mind. Try not to overdo it!

[limpid ruin]

Fun fact: execution is much easier if you make sure your hands are healthy and not painful

[primal lance]

Definitely done for the day. I was able to get the skip for WK a few times and practiced the fight a few times - no sucess, but I made it there and that's what counts.

[limpid ruin]

Definitely true

[gloomy bane]

its needed to have the sound activated to submit a run?

[thorn jasper]

sound effects yes. in game music can be off

[valid flicker]

do you need sound to submit a p5 hitless run?

[gloomy bane]

ok and some way to record only the audio of the game and not the entiere desktop?

[thorn jasper]

there's no src leaderboard for that specifically. whoever maintains the list would have to make that call

[true palm]

just remember to turn off debug mod

[grizzled maple]

Every run needs at least game sound. Not game music

Its necessary to check for splicing and other shenanigans.

Also theres a hitless p5 board but idk where its kept. We also have a hitless board for normal speedrun categories but its still a baby and has one run lol

[thorn jasper]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1v8_zcybNa69cHF3JV91KxxwDdiR8W5Kuwc2xnKKzWoA/edit#gid=312528642

[thorn jasper]

hitless board for normal speedrun categories
where? there 👇

[grizzled maple]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_YDPiojTVc7iuSE01osUN86r5kp0yPvWj9kypGT5nKY/edit?usp=drivesdk

[true palm]

why is wayward compass bolded lmao

[grizzled maple]

Sorry I was getting it when I mentioned it but mobile docs is horrible

Also hopefully no one can edit that or anything lmao

[true palm]

its view only

[grizzled maple]

I'm such a boomer with mobile browsers lmao

[thorn jasper]

Jenkar is great, IFLJ

[grizzled maple]

I'm working on p5 TE and eventually 112

[wheat orbit]

Is it okay that I put jump on the arrow keys?

I think this might be the reason why I'm failing a lot of pogos

is it worth switching up and jump?

[thorny flint]

Why play with arrow keys

[jaunty anvil]

let them do what they want lol

[wheat orbit]

I could switch to wasd

[thorny flint]

Im just asking why

Like isnt it harder

[wheat orbit]

idk not really

[jaunty anvil]

lotsa ppl play w arrow keys

[wheat orbit]

my main game is a moba so i'm used to having movement on my right hand

and abilities with my left

[true palm]

you're going to struggle with upslashing imo

[limpid ruin]

why would it be harder to have movement right hand?

[true palm]

you should try number pad or something

as a league player it shouldnt make a huge difference

[jaunty anvil]

hey guys uh i messed up trying 2 submit a run i accidentally started my timer up again n when i submitted it;s got the wrong time

[true palm]

click edit run and you can edit the details

[wheat orbit]

like 5123 for movement?

[jaunty anvil]

oh shitr yeah im a IDIOT thanks

hey cerpin

[true palm]

ye and then you an use your pinky on like plus and enter if youwant

just an idea

[wheat orbit]

feels weird though

idk upslashing isn't the problem, it's downslashing

rolling my fingers from jump to down is causing me to miss it like 10% of the time

[true palm]

i personally feel like you can just make the transition,

to wasd

[wheat orbit]

Yeah I might just do that

[true palm]

it'll be rough at first but its better long term

[wheat orbit]

maybe try steel soul on it

[true palm]

nah just do path of pain

[wheat orbit]

haven't done path of pain normally yet

[limpid ruin]

hai murmur

wasd has so little objective pros tho

[true palm]

better than arrow keys

[limpid ruin]

its not?

thats literally just preference

[true palm]

idk i used to run with it, theres nothing better or worse than anything

[fair island]

the advantage is that its standard in a way

[wheat orbit]

My main concern is the jump and up switched around

[true palm]

but if you're struggling with your current bindings then you should change them

[jaunty anvil]

just run w what u find comfortable

[wheat orbit]

is it better to have up on the movement hand, or jump?

[barren zenith]

Is it quicker to do dark deepnest right after mantis claw or to get enough geo for lantern

[jaunty anvil]

unless ur arrow keys r absolute ass n holding u back

[true palm]

@barren zenith its faster to do dark deepnest in some categories, and in others its not a major time save

[barren zenith]

What about any%

[limpid ruin]

I have jump on my left hand together with dash, nail, etc, then movement right hand with inventory and focus (for dialogue mashing)

[true palm]

any% doesnt do dark deepnest unless you're unwilling to shadeskip

[limpid ruin]

any% gets lantern bc its fastest way to cpeak and cheart

[jaunty anvil]

also what do i do if i only hav IGT and no RTA when submitting

[true palm]

and shadeskipping is just faster than learning dark deepnest

[neon island]

Any% gets lantern for 2 reasons, to see the toll in cpeaks in order to skip dive and because it provides light for deepnest

[limpid ruin]

do you have the splits from the run, murmur?

[jaunty anvil]

uh

idk im bad at livesplit

[limpid ruin]

if you do you can get rta from there, in the edit splits tab

[wheat orbit]

oki thanks for the help though, I'm gonna try switching jump and up around and see what that gets me

[true palm]

@wheat orbit i used to run wasd movement, spacebar for jump

[limpid ruin]

right click, edit splits, and select realtime tab and the final segment time

[jaunty anvil]

yeah i

it;s shwoing my OLD PB

[true palm]

@wheat orbit but its about whatever works consistently for you

[jaunty anvil]

hmm

[limpid ruin]

ah okay, then you can just ignore it and we'll add it when verifying, nbd

[true palm]

@barren zenith if you're going through deepnest instead of doing queens gardens thats after lantern

[jaunty anvil]

ah ok , sorry >w<

i think my splits r like

[barren zenith]

So with steel soul you would do dark deepnest?

[jaunty anvil]

comparing 2 one of fireborn's PBs also

[true palm]

any% ss is a very different category

[jaunty anvil]

it's all scuffed

[true palm]

@barren zenith any% steel soul can route in lantern, but its going to be a way more significant time loss than just learning dark deepnest

the problem is most categories use watcher knights money to buy lantern

if you want help routing a steel soul route with lantern let me know and i can help you with that

[formal bough]

the screenshot. (just to show the extremely high standards we all hold our src mods to) (jk)

[fair lagoon]

dammit. My low% run was ended by a mistake.

[frigid moon]

screw livesplit

[fair lagoon]

The autosplitter registered pantheon 1 as p5

so timer commited an end after Oro and Mato

[frigid moon]

that sucks

i was wondering why you didn't go straight to p2

and then i saw timer

[fair lagoon]

Oh well. Overworld had TONS of improvements I coulda done, so it's not so bad that wasn't it

I could have done so much more with dreamgate, and I quit out too early after killing blobbles so I had to do collo 2 a SECOND TIME.

I also had a pretty terrible money mistake early, I forgot what chest in mantis lords' hoard was a hallownest seal and which was MoP

I didn't chance it so I just carried on without and had to grind moneeeyyyy on the way

[stray kestrel]

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this but ordered splits need to be on for pantheons

if you dont have them on already

[fair lagoon]

I set up autosplitter, made my one split P5, and that was the mistake.

next time I'm setting my autosplit condition to a Mr. Mushroom and just end after P5 manually

[stray kestrel]

the autosplitter automatically ends after an ending, are you getting two endings?

[frigid moon]

it stopped after p1

[stray kestrel]

ah okay

[frigid moon]

and there's no ending other than etv, since low% etv doesn't get dreamers anyway

i like how i'm saying that when there's like one person who seriously runs low% etv

[stray kestrel]

how long are runs of it?

[fair lagoon]

oh well. I'll give it another shot tomorrow

this run, at my slow-ass pace, is like 5-6 hours

[frigid moon]

p5 alone is around 2 hours

[stray kestrel]

2 hours!?

i guess that would be with nail 0 base dive and base vs

[fair lagoon]

P5 could be faster with less healing, but yeah, my practice win of P5 low% was 2 hours and 5 minutes according to the ingame timer thing

[frigid moon]

would it still be 2 hours now that you've done it once or would it be like, shorter?

[fair lagoon]

I think I could shorten it just by being less afraid of it and more used to what I have to work with

like I did basically all the main game bosses waaaaay better than I did in that practice stream, I've just gotten better/warmed back up to all the fights

[frigid moon]

do you think anyone else will try this

[fair lagoon]

who knows? Probably not.

depends on if anyone gets inspired off someone else doing it first I guess

[frigid moon]

i feel like it just comes down to who's really good at p5

[fair lagoon]

okay, so it's auto-ending after ANY pantheon victory, for some reason. I have my autosplit condition set to Mr. Mushroom 6, but it's still ending the timer at the pantheon endscreens

[limpid ruin]

It does that if youre on the final split at that point

It's annoying, thank you for mentioning it tho, adding it to the list of needed changes to the autosplitter

[fair lagoon]

so my fix, I presume, would be to make a split for each pantheon.

[limpid ruin]

Yea. If you add livesplit splits (aka not autosplits, just the "visible" ones instead), it shouldnt split on those like that

Unless you choose for them to, ofc

[fair lagoon]

Ahh. So if I understand right, I only need 2 visible splits, and manually split after P4 so that P5 will end the timer automatically.

[limpid ruin]

Yea that should work actually

P5 I know acts as an ending cutscene split implicitly

Just like other game endings

But I need sleep, good luck on figuring that out, I hope it works like that without further fiddling

[fair lagoon]

Thanks for the help. I'll give it a test and report back

That did it. Problem solved

[silver snow]

does anyone else have an issue when using a controller that when you flick the analog stick to the left or right quickly it doesn't turn you in the direction you flicked it to? It just kinda moves slightly but doesn't turn around

d-pad works fine, but i don't really care for the switch pro controller d pad :/

[stiff delta]

Cant say ive ever heard of this issue

Could it be like a snapback issue where you turnaround super quickly or a deadzone issue with your joysticks?

[dull lion]

Is it just dropping input? Input handling in hollow knight is kinda whack. I’ve had it happen to me on dpad a good few times and if you’re sub 150 FPS it’s realistic to see it fairly often

[silver snow]

i thought it was a deadzone or calibration issue, but it doesnt seem to help when i mess with the settings

its not dropping the input bc he moves a bit just doesnt turn around

[dull lion]

Are you using longer than normal joysticks?

[silver snow]

uh, its just switch pro controller

normal sticks

[dull lion]

Hmm

[silver snow]

idk.. maybe the controller is just bad

[dull lion]

So what’s happening is the knight moves in the direction of input without turning? Are you nail swinging when this happens?

I kinda doubt it’s just “controller bad” because that’s really bizarre.

[silver snow]

no not nail swinging

it just kinda moves to the left or right a tad

but doesnt turn around

[dull lion]

Are you cp or 1221?

[silver snow]

1221

on the mod actually

rn

[dull lion]

Did you just downpatch recently? If so it might just be an issue with your install. There’s a certain file you’re supposed to delete to fix weird downpatch issues but I don’t remember what it’s called. Somebody else will probably reply with it in a bit

[silver snow]

actually lemme see if it happen sin CP

that'll answer that

hmm , still happens, but maxing out the deadzone on controller seemed to help a bit

must just be this controller

yeh, d pad it is i guess

switch pro d pad is so bad

[stiff delta]

Theres some really good guides in the pins

[prime delta]

I recommend fireborn's any% guide, it's super detailed

though it's for 1.2.2.1 so if you're planning to run current patch it's not quite as useful

[stray kestrel]

do you have the game on steam or GOG

neat, downpatching on gog takes about ten seconds to get going then it downloads

fun fun, gl on runs

[true palm]

be forewarned, watcher knights is going to most likely be the hardest part of the run for you

[meager current]

or uumuu

just late game bosses in general lol

[true palm]

i mostly say it because i remember starting a few months ago and just wanting to completely quit, and I think everybody should know that when it comes to Watcher Knights, we've all been there

[meager current]

i quit any% because of a combination of uumuu and wk, i moved to 4ms

[true palm]

just use debug mod

HoG plays very different

[meager current]

there is a version of debug mod for 1221

[true palm]

If you're running on 1221, theres some watcher knight bugs and things that wont happen on current patch, mainly bounce glitch, fireballs wont be eaten

also in HOG you have to fight an extra knight, they have different hp

[meager current]

hungry walls are still on voidheart patch iirc

[true palm]

isnt the god home arena open?

or am i crazy?

i think i might be crazy now that i think about it

i haven't done current patch in ages

either way bounce glitch is kind of important to know how to deal with

it requires you keeping track of individual knights

basically a watcher knight can cancel his bounce early, and if this happens every bounce gets canceled early on that knight

livesplit

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/cg9vl

check that out, will help you set it up

[meager current]

go fast

[true palm]

make sure to thoroughly read the rules on submissions before you record a pb and have your heart broken when it isnt accepted

[ionic cargo]

it will take a lot of practise and time to become good

[true palm]

if anything weird happens, double check to make sure its not a major glitch

most common accidental one is inventory storage

basically, if you can move in any direction but down while your inventory is open, thats inventory storage

happens most commonly from falling transitions

[golden bobcat]

What autosplit setting can I use for beating the game?

[snow dome]

Game: Hollow Knight
Category: Whichever category you're running (any%, probably)
Make sure auto split is enabled.

You can use whatever splits you want, but you might want to check what other people have by watching some runs.

[meager current]

the timer will automatically stop when any ending is achieved

they are just inconsistent

sometimes it splits at the start of the cutscene

and sometimes at the end

still not worth having

for me broken implies it doesnt work entirely🥴

[golden bobcat]

My load remover isn't working

I'm playing on the MIcrosoft store version that I got with Xbox game pass. The autosplitter is working but not the load remover

[snow dome]

Are you set to game time?

[golden bobcat]

How do I change it?

[snow dome]

Layout settings and then look for anything that says either "real time" or "game time". If it says real, change it. If it says game, leave it

Make sure to check all the timers you have set up, so the one for your splits and also your main timer

[regal viper]

Guys after two hours of so I can finally say that I can beat watcher 1 before the second one spawns like 90% of the time

[snow dome]

It's on PC. I know you can't mod it, but I think auto-splitter works for it

But I could obviously be wrong.

If the timer starts automatically for it then it should also be able to work loadlessly

[golden bobcat]

I'm using a Switch controller wireless to play Hollow knight on PC from Microsoft store. The autosplitter/load remover works without any problem. The usual input delay is noticeable but nothing unplayable. Sometimes it just has a huge spike, 3/4 of my inputs just don't work and the ones that actually work has like 5 seconds of delay. Any tips on how to make it work?

[snow dome]

Double check that V-Sync is turned off

In video options

You can change particle effects to low, but I'm pretty sure that option doesn't do anything

[meager current]

I'm pretty sure that Microsoft store version doesn't let you turn off vsync considering its basically a copy of the console version

[snow dome]

That kind of sucks

[golden bobcat]

It's off

You can change it

[meager current]

Nvm

[golden bobcat]

It's the PC version

From what I've seen

[snow dome]

I'm pretty sure the Microsoft Store version is the PC version but with Microsoft DRM stopping you from modding it

[golden bobcat]

Does anyone have any ideas except for V-Sync?

[snow dome]

Beyond "Buy a better PC", I think that's it, tbh.

Make sure as little is running as possible. The game is poorly optimised.

And needs a really high framerate to run well

Like aiming for 250-300 fps

It's a noticeable difference.

[golden bobcat]

Shouldn't be any problems with my PC (1060 6GB, 16GB RAM and I5-4690K)

Might be my controller

[haughty fossil]

reinforcing this, it's pc version but game files are protected by Windows. You actually can mod, but only if you're using Linux to bypass the file protections 🥴

[snow dome]

I'm on a 1660S Radeon 5

And it just about hits the mark

[haughty fossil]

what framerate are you getting ossy?

[snow dome]

The game is really intense for some unknown reason. (I'm sure other people know)

[golden bobcat]

Not sure

Feels smooth

[snow dome]

How fast are the vengeflies?

That's the real tell

[haughty fossil]

anything above 150 is playable

[golden bobcat]

How do I check framerate?

[haughty fossil]

you using steam?

[snow dome]

If they're almost as fast as you move: Good.
If they're slower: Bad

[golden bobcat]

No

[snow dome]

No, Jamie, they're using windows store

[fair island]

You can use Riva tuner to show the fps

[meager current]

My vengeflys just decide to move at random speeds 🥴

[fair island]

It's dependant on fps

[snow dome]

Yeah, this is what frame rate spiking and lagging is.

[haughty fossil]

oh 🥴 if you have geforce experience installed alt+r will bring up the performance overlay iirc

[meager current]

Ik

[fair island]

So random FPS = random speed

[snow dome]

Inconsistent FPS is almost worse than low.

At least with low FPS you know what you need to do.

[meager current]

At least it doesn't mess up anything

[snow dome]

But with random you're just goosed.

[haughty fossil]

any varying between 100 and 200 fps in kp gang 🥴

[meager current]

Ye 🥴

[golden bobcat]

I get around 130

[snow dome]

I'm pretty sure I have about 600. Vengeflies are absurd.

[golden bobcat]

I checked

[haughty fossil]

tami cap ur framerate wtf

[snow dome]

Yeah, beyond upgrading your processor/GPU.

I should actually check my fps one day

[meager current]

Baldurs be having a field day on your computer 🥴

[golden bobcat]

I bought this PC pretty recently

[last inlet]

doesn't that make baldurs roll like 2mm

[haughty fossil]

a 4690k doesn't sound recent

[snow dome]

Yeah, but real fas

[haughty fossil]

that cpu was released in 2014

[golden bobcat]

Let me check conversion rates for what I bought it for

I paid 532$

(4500 Sek)

[last inlet]

the whole pc?

[snow dome]

TBF, that's absurdly cheap

[golden bobcat]

Second hand

[last inlet]

that's still pretty cheap

[golden bobcat]

I don't really feel like buying the game on PC considering I've done almost everything I want to (except for speedrunning and modding) on Switch with over 100hrs on it

What do you think?

[last inlet]

i mean you can still run on switch, just not quite as well as on pc

mods aren't really there though

[golden bobcat]

Manual splitting is horrible

Is there an autosplit for the chandelier?

[normal aspen]

Yes

Well not on switch obv but you get the idea

[golden bobcat]

I can't find it

[snow dome]

it's called Watcher Knights Chandelier

[golden bobcat]

Is there an autosplit for selling relics?

[haughty fossil]

there's a relic seeker lemm autosplit iirc

[kind pond]

speedrunners,, can i challenge you something?

[snow dome]

👀

[last inlet]

you can challenge us

we won't necessarily do it

[snow dome]

A: This is already a thing.
B: This is a shitpost

Choose

[kind pond]

hm.

alright, im actuallly curious how someone can do this

[last inlet]

anyway go ahead

[kind pond]

and ill try to do it when im good enough

[golden bobcat]

Do I need an autosplit for beating the game?

[kind pond]

i challenge you, to beat the game, with enemy randomizer. in steelsoul, if you die the clock keeps going until you beat the game or give up

[haughty fossil]

no

[last inlet]

this isn't really a speedrun

[kind pond]

or actually

restart

the

thing

then

shh

[snow dome]

It was B

[last inlet]

it's just slapping a timer on a challenge

[haughty fossil]

thats a challenge run

[kind pond]

i-

wel-

i meant like

try to speedrun the game

with randomizer on

and

[haughty fossil]

enemy randomizer is volatile enough to not be a fun speedrun

and breaks everything

[last inlet]

rando speedruns don't really work because well, they're random

[kind pond]

ah-

[snow dome]

Slam that no clip button

[kind pond]

im sorry- a

[last inlet]

so it's way too much rng to be fun since one person just gets a god seed once and it never gets beaten

[kind pond]

idk how speedruns work i just thought

[snow dome]

FWIW Rando Speedrun is a cool thing that I'm into

[haughty fossil]

item rando is consistent enough for random seed speedruns to make sense

[kind pond]

idk i thought itll be a challenge

ig so

[last inlet]

yeah but enemy rando?

[kind pond]

then

just

[golden bobcat]

Might buy the game on Steam when there's a sale

[kind pond]

any rando then

[snow dome]

But Enemy Rando is just "Did radiance spawn in KP y/n?"

[last inlet]

pretty much

[snow dome]

This would fall under A

Huzzah we hit both

[last inlet]

(except for the steelsoul bit)

[kind pond]

any rando then, idk really i didnt think much of it

im sorry aa qwp

idk how speedruns work anahehdf

i wasnt really serious with the challenge anyways, i was just curious if anyone was willing to actually go on and try

i slightly wanna try though, seems like a good challenge

[haughty fossil]

people have indeed beaten the game with enemy randomizer

[kind pond]

i havent even beaten the game yet, im still at my first run

[golden bobcat]

Might buy the game on Steam when there's a sale. What do you think? I have over 100hrs on Switch and 112%.

[ionic cargo]

its a challenge just not fun, its throwing yourself at the wall praying that you stick

[snow dome]

It's entirely up to you, but if you are interested in seriously speedrunning, I suggest it.

It makes practice significantly easier

[golden bobcat]

I've done some runs but the all end at WK

[last inlet]

yeah debug helps so much with practising

[snow dome]

With PC version you can use debug mod to just play the fight over and over

[last inlet]

instead of spending an extra 30 seconds going to the fight every time you just jump straight in

[snow dome]

And also being able to reset it after you beat it.

Rather than messing about with save files

[kind pond]

oo

i wanna do speedrunning for fun

idk when though

when im ready

again, never beat the game here

[snow dome]

I would suggest beating the game first.

[kind pond]

im still on my first run,, since. sep 2020-

[snow dome]

I started before I got to 100% or whatever

[last inlet]

come back after beating the game probably then we can help if you have any specific issues

[kind pond]

im attempting 112% for my first run

[snow dome]

But speedrunning ruins a lot of the magic.

[last inlet]

(yeah getting 100/112%) is probably also a good shout

i beat ||p5|| before starting to run (not sure how much spoilers you've seen), but you can basically start whenever you feel ready

[kind pond]

a

[weary root]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[kind pond]

any tips of when i try to do my first speedrun? (speedrun ever that is lmao)

[snow dome]

^^^

Literally what was just posted

[last inlet]

follow guides (there's plenty on speedrun.com) and ask here for more specific questions

[kind pond]

ah-

wait fuck-

i thought it was discussing- i wasnt-

wait im just dumb-

either way, i dont know how im ever gonna do it though, sound hard

but hey, im going to be suprised if i go below 5 hours

i got an exam now, goodbye-

i hope i didnt bother anyone ;o;

[granite field]

you're all good

[ionic wraith]

i wan't to speedrun any tips? (p.s i play on xbox.)

[vague frigate]

[leaden python]

check the pins

[ionic wraith]

ok thanks

[hexed locust]

re: discussion in #all-skills since i am not blue name
i am most happy to work on a cohesive guide to strats etc, though i have no web / computer skills i can write decently and have a two week break starting today, so if things need to be written i can happily help

[somber cedar]

I have some web dev skills, could help with a resource site if anybody else is game

[limpid ruin]

This cpu is honestly very dated (it's from the middle of intels "we're market leaders so can just re-release the same cpu with small performance update" years, and was hit hard by security patches once the shortcuts Intel/cpu makers took got publicly known). The gpu is fine for hk, but the cpu has 4 cores, and basically playing hk and recording for example at the same time is gonna stretch those 4 cores pretty thin. I read further down how cheap you got it though, so it's a frickn great buy considering price, just hk being unnecessarily poorly programmed

The gpu and ram should carry a bit of weight at least tho, especially if you look into nvenc encoding when recording /streaming

[old sphinx]

You should use your gpu to record instead of cpu

[golden bobcat]

Yeah, I think that I bought this PC about 8 months ago for 4500 SEK (about 500$) and it's worked fine for me so I don't really feel like upgrading anything just yet. If I were to upgrade my CPU what could be some relatively budget options?

[haughty fossil]

the 4690k was still on lga1150

[limpid ruin]

I'd say some budget-ish options would be any ryzen 5 cpu. The first 1600 CPUs are pretty much very usable and I'm assuming cheap atm (don't know what you have available tho), otherwise any amd ryzen 5 has enough cores + each core performance destroying older Intel chips

No matter what you'll unfortunately have to change motherboard and likely get ddr4 ram

[meager current]

Get a newer intel chip

[golden bobcat]

My RAM is already DDR4

[limpid ruin]

(there are 0 chips to upgrade to using the same motherboards, bc Intel are greedy craps)

[limpid ruin]

Okay that's big Pog, I just didn't remember when they changed

[haughty fossil]

really? the 4690k was ddr3 i swear

[golden bobcat]

It's DDR3

I checked

I remembered incorrectly

Sry

[limpid ruin]

I'd argue that's ryzen 5, ryzen 3 are still great price to performance tho, but the boost in 5 is just significant enough to stop eking out performance to almost always being comfy

[haughty fossil]

if you have a budget, im always down to offer configs

[limpid ruin]

No sry needed. Sucks a bit for u tho :/

[golden bobcat]

Can I DM you?

[haughty fossil]

yeah sure

i'd still side with cerpin there, i think ryzen 5 is significant enough to be more worth

[limpid ruin]

Yea I know what you meant, I just think the performance in 5 is just significant enough that it justifies the price difference, but I totally understand going with 3 on a budget

[haughty fossil]

unless you're all the way up to 3rd gen ryzen 3, pretty sure those were decent

[limpid ruin]

(that's based on gen 1-4,bc I didn't pay attention to 5 🥴)

[leaden python]

threadripper to make Rust compile times only mildly slow 😤

[limpid ruin]

Dw, I know what you meant

[slim shoal]

what language is the chineese language?

[limpid ruin]

Two to the left of English if you use directional keys. There's pics in the pins if that helps

[slim shoal]

ok

thx that will help for my alll dialouge any% run

[frank cobalt]

I'm small brained and don't really comprehend the new save state slots updates to debug mod, even after reading the readme. Can someone eli5?

[haughty fossil]

if my equally small brained reading comprehension has not failed me; you have 1 'quickslot' save state, and can save that save state to one of 6 (or more) slots. You can then later load one of those slots into your quickslot

so basically instead of setting dreamgates everywhere for practice now you can set save states instead

(also cerpin cp port pretty please? )

[leaden python]

cp port cp port. Together with amazing hitbox mod

[last inlet]

obligatory cp bad comment

[meager current]

obligatory 1221 good comment

[haughty fossil]

obligatory bad pc ;pensive: comment

[ionic cargo]

obligatory on switch comment

[meager current]

obligatory blue name is good comment

white name is also good

[last inlet]

dont discriminate by the colour of someones name, instead discriminate by don't

[short spire]

woah cp bad is an anagram of bad pc thats wild

[ionic cargo]

woah

[leaden python]

ok lol that's unironically funny

[thorn jasper]

I am also small brain. According to Mod_Log.txt, the 9 early game save states from pest were loaded into the mod session. I assigned keybinds to both 'toggle savestate ui' and to 'load save state from file'. Neither of them did anything. In the F4 console, I keep seeing Timeout (8s) reached, which I'm unsure is related yet occurs 8 seconds after pressing my 'load save state from file' button. Is it waiting for a numpad press? I didn't see "NumPadForSaveStates" in my debug mod json

[thorn jasper]

?

[frank cobalt]

an anagram for Nudest Soy

clever.

[ionic cargo]

lmao

[ashen bluff]

hey, does the steam depot tell you when its done downloading?

[rugged crow]

yes

[ashen bluff]

so that's why I couldnt get it to work

[north hemlock]

im trying to downpatch on mac but i dont know where to put the depotdownloader command to run it