I suppose the strat there would just be using those slots instead
#speedrunning
molten aurora
If you get used to it, it's actually really fast, there's no delay in pressing down, because your cursor is already in the right place and you just spam click.
And with file selection, you can move the cursor to a corner of the screen during quit out then spam enter and it'll select file 1
tired drum
you can back up saves directly and move the one you want to the No1 spot if that helps
snow dome
I suppose the strat there would just be using those slots instead
Yeah, I always run using the second slot.
short spire
if you press a directional button any time after the cursor shows up in the main menu screen it'll disappear
that's why i always press left a few times during the load into the main menu to make it go away
molten aurora
Alright, I've lost 4 consecutive runs between soul sanctum and crystal peaks, 5th time's the charm 
subtle glade
Is it possible to get livesplit to display over Hollow Knight? I somehow did that once, and I want to know if I can do it again or was it a one time bug
rugged crow
put the game in windowed and select "always on top"
haughty fossil
alt+enter forces fullscreen windowed, so there's no border
subtle glade
Doesn't work for me, I still have a border
subtle glade
Is it possible to get livesplit to display over Hollow Knight? I somehow did tha...
Also, I'm sure I had fullscreen when this happened
Nevermind, can I make livesplit automatically start in my upper right-hand corner? It's annyoing to move it every time
haughty fossil
why are you closing and reopening livesplit enough for that to be a problem?
subtle glade
I found that if I launch livesplit and quickly switch to hollow knight window before livesplit fully opens the livesplit will show up over the game
But if I move the window it goes back behind
I found a way to display it over! I'm a bit proud of myself lol
If you right click on the livesplit window, then open your tab with the fullscreen hollow knight, the livesplit will stay on top
haughty fossil
if you're launching from steam, add the launch option -popupwindow to make it borderless fullscreen 
then go to livesplit > layout settings > always on top
old harness
hey everyone, im starting to try some any% runs and was wondering if anyone had any tips for watcher knights? thanks in advance.
subtle glade
Have you watched the fireborn video?
subtle glade
No, the guide
old harness
no, i didnt know that existed. thank you
subtle glade
rugged crow
play the fight as safe as possible when you're starting out, 2 nail swings on them is not worth getting hit for 
haughty fossil
pest~~'s guide~~ is rlly rlly good 
normal aspen
u
haughty fossil
insomnia you just tied my as cp time despite not even wanting to run the category 
u
haughty fossil
alas, schoolwork is not 
normal aspen
leaden python
insomnia go for wr or bust
normal aspen
I'm never going for another pb in this cat
unashamedly
It was the least fun ive had in this game period
low bramble
you dont have to run it anymore if you forfit our match 
leaden python
wtf your self loathing isn't even that bad
haughty fossil
somni go for wr using based vali route
rugged crow
I'm never going for another pb in this cat
but you're 5 seconds off the 58 
normal aspen
also I'm extremnely done with current patch for time being
might go for vs comsob for the memes butthats it
looking forward to 1221 all skills tho
steady lynx
Did they ever finish the cp as route on src or is it just the one pinned in #all-skills
winged stirrup
Does anyone know the best way to do the vengeful spirit skip in greenpath?
true palm
- fireborns guide covers everything 2) pinned comments 3) socd cleaner if you're on keyboard 4) if you're very sad like me use claw grip
winged stirrup
I’m on controller
true palm
quick cast is bound to right bumper by default
steady lynx
R1 probably
true palm
some people like having it on a face button
i personally dont
but i've heard good things about it
steady lynx
Everyone has their own preference
I have inventory bound to L since the game doesn't use that button anyway
true palm
also, for the one before greenpath, make sure NOT to fireball at the apex of your jump but to fireball after you're already falling, and for the ones in greenpath, fireball at the apex of your jump
tepid osprey
yep, when jumping for length instead of height, It's more about bringing down your average fall speed by interrupting your fall before it gets to max fall speed
But if you fireball too early your fall speed after that point will get too high
subtle glade
I’m on controller
If you are on controller remember, that inputs from the d-pad take priority over the stick, so you can hold left, then press right on the d-pad while still holding left to turn easier
true palm
depends on the type of controller, dualshock gang like me have a harder time claw gripping right to left skips, which makes up all of any%
obtuse estuary
fireball skips on dualshock is pain
true palm
i use dualshock intentionally for low% skips
queens station skip and crystal peak are left to right skips
i dont mind whiffing the greenpath one once in a while, but missing either of those is a dead run
hallow orchid
I never did the claw grip method, always found it harder. To each their own though ¯_(ツ)_/¯
(for reference I use analog)
true palm
ye idk im kind of all over the place, i claw grip some skips, analog others, dpad for some movement, analog for most
twin swallow
claw gang all the way, my analog snaps back no matter how much deadzone I give it and I end up facing the wrong way half the time
subtle glade
Grab the stick with your index and press a d-pad button with your thumb
true palm
or if your dualshock its grab stick with thumb and press dpad with index
i personally do my my skips with index on joystick and middle on dpad, which is mighty uncomfortable but surprisingly consistent
subtle glade
Is there any way to do inventory drops without claw? I think you can't rebind inventory
true palm
i rebind all of my stuff in steam, and i rename all my folders every time i want to play
most people just inventory drop by moving their right hand over
twin swallow
I rebound LB to inv in steam controller options because I don't remember the last time I ever used map
normal aspen
I never clawed, but some ppl find it easier
Just felt more intuitive to do it normally
true palm
just dont lose time to moving your hand if you're going to claw, move your hand in transitions
subtle glade
Ah right, I forgot most people move with d-pad
hallow orchid
I use my right thumb to hit inventory, while using left for analog or right index for dash
no claw grip
subtle glade
Oh ok makes sense
haughty fossil
I rebound LB to inv in steam controller options because I don't remember the las...
jb that's actually genius tbh
subtle glade
You don't need the face buttons during inventory drops so you can move your thumb over
haughty fossil
might rebind pause to lb to make seer skip easier
subtle glade
Is there a way to rebind that without using the steam controller? I have one but I don't like how it feels
haughty fossil
steam has built in input handling, only works if it thinks your active patch is your main install but it does work
true palm
Is there a way to rebind that without using the steam controller? I have one but...
im talking about steam controller settings
twin swallow
you can remap your controller in steam big picture settings
subtle glade
you can remap your controller in steam big picture settings
Alright thanks
true palm
i have to use steams input handling because my gamepad is generic
but if you want to rebind with steam you need to rename your folder every time
twin swallow
I have a steam controller but it is too chonky for my baby hands
subtle glade
^
obtuse estuary
dualshock sucks for speedrunning 😦
mines 5 yrs old and has so much input lag on analog
true palm
i've used dualshock, its not the best if you like a good dpad
obtuse estuary
have to do it with dpad which sucks
true palm
but any 5 yr old controller is gonna feel bad
subtle glade
I liked using steam controller for normal hollow knight playthroughs (used the right underside button to charge nail arts), but for speedrunning it's annoying
haughty fossil
pull a rhino and have 3 backup controllers new in box at all times
obtuse estuary
not going to buy a new one just to speedrun lmao
haughty fossil
i did exactly that tbh
true palm
i dont think you need to buy a new one because speedrunning, but probably because your controller no longer works properly
stark birch
simply justify it as stocking up on extra pro controllers for when you can play smash with other living people for when covid clears up in 2024
obtuse estuary
it does just the left analog is a little laggy and drifty
haughty fossil
properly
obtuse estuary
not something too signifigant since i only run for fun
haughty fossil
i went through 2 offbrand 360 controllers before the analog sticks went bad, eventually decided screw it and got a xbseries con. best change of my life tbh
vocal dove
seriesx controller is like the best i've ever used
subtle glade
I agree, after I got one in my hands I can't use other controllers anymore
twin swallow
i've used dualshock, its not the best if you like a good dpad
this. the dpad is my only major complaint with the ds4, holding up/down on the side of the button also presses left/right and it's a pain in the ass
vocal dove
that was my main complaint with the switch pro too
twin swallow
when i'm doing sections with lots of pogo-ing like abyss climb or pop, I just hold down the entire time and just sliding into a spike wall becuase you held down at a 5 degree angle is so painful
true palm
ye i run with this steelseries controller that has a decent dpad, and has the joystick on the bottom and dpad on top which is perfect for me
only complaint is hollow knight doesnt recognize it so i have to rename my folder every time i swap patches
regal viper
Is lookdown glitch patched in cp or It's just me being bad at it?
hallow orchid
for tolls? It is not patched on cp
there's a lookdown strat for one bench that did get patched on CP though
regal viper
Yo I'm terrible at this game lol
hallow orchid
hey I have 1400 hours in this game and still miss the toll lookdowns randomly
lmao yeah gusten
true palm
just set a savestate right before the toll/bench and grind it out for a minute
steady lynx
For stags, pay the toll, then lookdown three times with the right stick
Works every time
Do it quickly though
true palm
practice on the crossroads stag, its easy to get to
you can get 50 geo to pay the toll quickly too
regal viper
Okay I'll do that
true palm
just route it in when you practice other things in any%
regal viper
Anyways lookdown glitch is not a big deal
I would save more time not dying 3-10 times in watchers
vocal dove
just want to double check, you're using the right stick to look down, right?
regal viper
Yes I am
true palm
also you cant do lookdown on 1 hp unless you immediately look up for a split second and look backdown
true palm
you probably wont encounter it in any%
also you should bench when waiting for the stag
its a free heal
vocal dove
i've gotten to cpeaks entrance at 1 health so many times and didn't know the look up thing
true palm
ye its kind of hard to hit, i only know it because we have DV stag after dark deepnest
the whole reason is that your hitbox changes when you're at 1 hp, and looking up remedies that
steady lynx
All categories I currently run get DDive so I've not actually really used the cpeaks toll
true palm
i normally get hit once because im bad and so i just heal at the toll
steady lynx
Doesn't healing also make it go down slightly faster?
steady lynx
Same animation value used for looking down -> normal state as healing -> normal state
Or?
steady lynx
I never realised looking down has a smaller hitbox
true palm
like the gate goes down when you look up, so if you wanted to hold down an extra second you could
i think its just the sprite box and not the character htibox but i could be mistaken
either way its jank
and from a logical perspective, theres zero reason why toll speed should be tied to what animation your character is doing
steady lynx
The reason is called 
🍝
regal viper
Is godpixel a thing in cp?
haughty fossil
yes but its useless because the cycles are different iirc
regal viper
Sad
true palm
no not sad, the cycles are better
steady lynx
Since you're on console the cycles are even more off
true palm
godpixel is swag, but god cycles just better
regal viper
God cycles gang
haughty fossil
cp
steady lynx
For some reason on the console version room cycles start a tiny bit earlier, making some cycles almost impossible and some others way easier
short spire
its pogoable on 1221 too
short spire
a lot of people use that for the movement at the end
steady lynx
I should start doing that
true palm
thats so weird
short spire
it's not faster tho
steady lynx
But it looks cooler
thorny condor
i want to speedrun is there a good recource showcasing the current route?
true palm
ye check fireborns guide
steady lynx
There's routes on src, pins, etc
thorny condor
ok thx :)
vocal dove
i suck at landing on that top platform so that shelf might help a lot
steady lynx
Gonna be useful going back to All Skills soon
Maybe I'll even learn the route this time
vocal dove
you still on switch?
steady lynx
I've had two runs that almost got rekky but died right before Godhome basically
steady lynx
I still wanna work on TE and low% a bit, maybe any% as well
vocal dove
pls beat my any% time pls
steady lynx
Trombon, BasicallyDad and FuzzyVolt are the ones I gotta beat
true palm
I still wanna work on TE and low% a bit, maybe any% as well
low% rekkys are free, pretty sure all the current patch ones still do the shadeskip
vocal dove
that's pretty much my console strat too
loses a little bit of time due to stopping and waiting for the first goam
true palm
isnt taking damage to the second goam still worth?
steady lynx
true palm
you get knockback in the correct direction and even with the freeze its still faster i believe
idk youd have to time it
true palm
also that goam cycle Gusten showed doesnt seem too hard, whats the issue ur having, the jump, first goam or second goam
steady lynx
Trust me, that goam cycle is extremely tight
true palm
im sure its tight
steady lynx
If you hit the ceiling after the first one you're screwed
steady lynx
Maybe your issue is that you're not playing in monochrome
true palm
probably tbh, seems optimal to me
steady lynx
It's the trade off for free goam cycle on the way to fog canyon
frigid rapids
wtf it's ciplax's strat
haven't seen that in so long
gg for finding that on your own, on console it probably loses a very minimal amount of time
steady lynx
I kinda wish the PS5 WR holder was active in here, would love to discuss stuff with them
frigid rapids
😎
ah ah it's fine, ciplax is an og runner who has not been around for a long time, so it's funny the old strat he was using for that room resurfaces like that
short spire
also the whole identity of the strat is joking about how it's not good
so don't worry the strat's feelings have been trampled to the ground long ago and it is now jaded to your insults
oh wait i misread that
either way my point stands
i miss the days of making fun of acrid for using ciplax goam strats
honestly that cp cycle looks wack so it's probably a lot more sensible there lol
this was in 1221 context
console is cp
oh does console change cycles even more than cp
i mean i'd believe it
console hk is janky to say the least as i'm sure you're aware lol
steady lynx
Console cycles start earlier than PC cycles
hallow orchid
CP cycles are load dependent afaik
in the goam room that is
which is why console has a different cycle
dull lion
Yeah you can’t get the normal gome cycle on console afaik
deep kernel
Got my first sub-1 hour any% (55:21) :D
knotty vigil
Where do I send my speedrun of 2h 46min
ionic cargo
haughty fossil
(make sure to read the game & category rules on speedrun.com before you submit)
steady lynx
which is why console has a different cycle
That's why I wanna talk to the PS5/Xseries runners, wanna see if that cycle works there as well
Or I'll find out when I take PS5 112 WR as well
dull lion
I honestly forgot the X/PS5 even existed. Are they still impossible to find?
steady lynx
Xseries is easy in Sweden but I wanna do PS5 if I do runs on that gen
vocal dove
and then you can get backwards rolling watchers on 1.5!
ionic cargo
thats going to be heck
knotty vigil
does anyone know what the elevator glitch that is done in all glitches is called? He hits the elevator up and down then boom hes past watcher knights. And is this possible current patch/console?
grizzled maple
The teleporting elevator is called televator, as far as I know that's not used to skip watchers, there's a whole lot more going on there.
Only a few glitches still work on current patch. Most forms of storage can only be used once per quitout ie floats. Televator is one that was entirely patched out. They made it to where the elevator just won't react if more than one direction is hit.
I recommend watching the True Ending All Glitches run, it is done on current patch, but will not be possible on console since MMS requires a mouse cursor.
leaden python
that one is elevator storage I think
grizzled maple
i thought about mentioning elevator storage but the way they described it sounds like televator He hits the elevator up and down then boom hes past watcher knights
leaden python
yeah I only got the question because I actually seen the glitch
like you hardfall on top of elevator and dunk into its spikes, then you launch it and it carries you OOB past WK arena
grizzled maple
Ah I see, so it's a combo of both
leaden python
leaden python
it's not televator really, you actually get carried slowly with the speed of elevator
grizzled maple
yeah that's normal elevator storage
languid rover
what is the recommended version of the game to speedrun on?
grizzled maple
any
we have leaderboards for console, and categories for both beginner categories on current patch for those who cant or arent ready to downpatch
snow dome
Depends on the category and things. You will be competing against people on the same patch whatever you do.
grizzled maple
1221 is the most common NMG patch
languid rover
how do I downpatch?
languid rover
it is
Fe
Iron, is also very interesting
but how long does the depot normally take to download.
grizzled maple
a long time usually. there's no progress bar but I believe it does note when it's done
you're basically downloading the entire game again
hallow orchid
you can keep it as a separate install
hallow orchid
you don't need to replace, yeah
languid rover
I did this to speedrun another game but forgot how it works for a sec
dull hemlock
question, I'm trying to set up livesplits, but on the splits editor the settings thing is grayed out so I can't turn on autosplits, how do I fix this?
haughty fossil
make sure you have Hollow Knight selected from the dropdown, not just typed in
languid rover
where would the file for the old hollow knight be?
dull hemlock
How do I activate autosplit?
main oak
do any of you know why my autosplit wont start?
even when i manually press to start it the timer just sits at 0
haughty fossil
common reasons are not having any autosplits added in the autosplitter settings
main oak
do i need to add an autosplit for the start?
haughty fossil
How do I activate autosplit?
main oak
ive added autosplits already
dull hemlock
that's exactly what I see
haughty fossil
do i need to add an autosplit for the start?
there needs to be at least one autosplit for the load remover to work. It automatically splits on start and end without any added
try launching livesplit after hk
haughty fossil
that's exactly what I see
click the activate button then
main oak
does having the mod api affect autosplitting?
haughty fossil
shouldn't but i've heard some people having issues with it recently
grizzled maple
oh i see what you mean, no
i love when discord loads messages only after you send one 🥴
personally 1221 modding api wont work with the splitter for me, but cp will
vocal dove
it never worked for me until one day it suddenly did lol
jagged vault
1221 works for me fine, i havent tried Current patch tho
main oak
do you have 1221 with mods?
jagged vault
i'm too lazy to make a separate CP install for 112 practice
there's a reason i do late jonis 
jagged vault
do you have 1221 with mods?
i have two 1221 installs. one is vanilla, the other has the modding api and the Debug mod for practice
the debug mod is the best tool for practice in hollow knight
main oak
so then it might be because i have the modded install not separate from unmodded install
last inlet
does 1221 custom knight even exist
grizzled maple
by harder: there's basically no skins and no one has the mod for it
the skins are not interchangable
last inlet
also i'd be worried that it'd mess up my visual cues from the knight since sprites and stuff change
jagged vault
yeah apparently the sprite sheets for 1221 are formatted differently
languid rover
whenever I run the file for the old hollow knight version it doesn't run an old version of hollow knight it just runs the latest one
last inlet
(the .txt won't appear if you have file extensions hidden)
languid rover
where would I find that
digital jewel
you make it
last inlet
in the folder where your hollow_knight.exe program is
digital jewel
read the guide
last inlet
put it there
quiet saddle
2nd full practice run ever; I'm pretty happy with the result of my grinding so far =)
It's not a legit run cuz it was on debug, but I'm still happy with the training results
I gotta grind Crystal Heart and Herrah so much tho; those splits suck ass lmao
hearty adder
Crystal Peak sucks in general imo
quiet saddle
Related question: If you die in Herrah, is the run just dead?
I died there and didn't feel like fighting my way past a devout and other shit with no shade (so I may have definitely cheated to get past 👀 )
hearty adder
I think if you're just starting out you should try resetting runs as little as possible
getting late game practice is very important
proud vessel
im gonna start practicing wk
quiet saddle
Yea, I agree.
proud vessel
wish me luck
quiet saddle
I tend to reset if I die in the first 4 splits, cuz they're super easy by now and the timeloss is so massive cuz you spawn back at the bench
hearty adder
if you already got there, it'd at the very least be a good idea to power through Beast's Den to get more THK practice
quiet saddle
Like if I die to hornet, I def reset rofl
hearty adder
I tend to reset if I die in the first 4 splits, cuz they're super easy by now an...
early game timeloss can be made up later, especially if you're still in the 5X range
but i can't blame you, I reset if I get hit more than once in King's Pass
grizzled maple
I died there and didn't feel like fighting my way past a devout and other shit w...
Underneath the first devout there is a secret with two spiders. You can use those to farm. There's also some other crawlers farther to the right. So as an absolute beginner there are backup options for soul.
quiet saddle
Yea I've been using them to get soul
But it's mostly the lack of being able to build up full soul
grizzled maple
Yeah that's how I mean, getting 2 fbs from the spiders, then go grab some more from the husks if you're scared of face tanking for the last hits
quiet saddle
That doesn't really answer my question :P
stiff delta
a death in beasts den is super annoying and it takes a long time to
grizzled maple
in a no reset situation you would just hit the devout without tanking for the extra soul
hearty adder
it'd be more annoying but at least you'd eventually get out of there
quiet saddle
If the answer is "reset" then that's the answer
stiff delta
i mean it depends on the person
rose crown
I beat Skyrim at 32 minutes
quiet saddle
I just wasn't too sure if TK3 meant reset, considering right after they said just keep going otherwise haha
stark birch
there's no easy answer though; depends on the runner, time, and context
grizzled maple
i mean, it's a massive time loss for a top runner, but for a new runner? just finish honestly just for the thk practice if anything
rose crown
Does that count
grizzled maple
it's so close to the end
stiff delta
if you have a lot of time to spare, then you can just keep going and suffer the timeloss
haughty fossil
"most runners" meaning runners who have put a significant time into the game and where a death is just a numpad3 moment
stiff delta
otherwise yea just keep going for practice
rose crown
Hello?
quiet saddle
Ok I gotcha
stiff delta
this is for hollow knight speedrunning
quiet saddle
I didn't fully understand what you were implying
stiff delta
dw about it kishoto i was pretty unclear in how i phrased it
grizzled maple
Is there a way to check in livesplit how many of your completed runs were actually pb's?
because I feel like it's probably like 10% or less for me lol
quiet saddle
I'm a noob but based on the way it displays the data in livesplit, I don't think so?
quiet saddle
i think splits.io shows all of your pbs on a graph
O.O
haughty fossil
or that might be completed runs idk
quiet saddle
splits.io <:zote:562358113374568477>
Is it not a reliable website?
Idk what the zote face implies haha
But zote's a grumbler so i figure it's bad
haughty fossil
it's mostly paywalled
they had a brief period of giving out nice features during covid but tbh not worth the cost
grizzled maple
yikes i didn't know that. i just kinda ignored it this whole time
now i know to purposely steer people away from it
stiff delta
livesplits jank but its cool
grizzled maple
also wooferzfg is a banger human
stiff delta
thats pretty cool honestly
haughty fossil
i think somebody (maybe slaurent, mathulu? can't remember ) was working on an lss interpreter to do all the stuff splits.io does but open source
limpid ruin
What do most runners do if they die in Herrah?
Honestly, it completely depends on the runner and self expected level. Like, a ton of runners will reset, both because timeloss and mental blow, but a lot will keep going as well just to finish the run, seeing as it's almost over at that point anyway and thk practice is always nice
Slaurent yea, Jamie
It's on his github 👀
haughty fossil
jagged vault
Yeah, a death in beast’s den loses upwards of a min and a half afaik
quiet saddle
Honestly, it completely depends on the runner and self expected level. Like, a t...
In hindsight, I think my question should've been "is there some sort of backup you can do" but I think that's a dumb question considering I know the split path and there logically can't be one.
I was probably just hopeful lol
jagged vault
Depends wether you’re going for a PB or if you want to finish it out as a no reset
grizzled maple
i mean... if we're getting into detail, if you die somewhere in the middle and your shade is in that big vertical space, I think there's a shade skip you can do to skip the right climb
but you likely wont die there lol
jagged vault
Also something which is nice, if you break the crumbling floor after the two spides after the first devout you can go right if ylu die and skip the first debout
grizzled maple
its usually the spike spider combo on the left wall or the last devout
jagged vault
I can’t type
true palm
you can devout skip the first one if you died on the spiders before the floor as well
quiet saddle
Also something which is nice, if you break the crumbling floor after the two spi...
O.O O.O
jagged vault
You just need to make sure to step on that crumbly floor when you pass the first time
haughty fossil
optimally you don't because cdash though?
jagged vault
In case you’re worried about dying
grizzled maple
yeah i think if you go far enough to crumble the floor the cdash is less worth it
or not worth it anymore
jagged vault
Jamie you can get it there if you have to cdash far right due to the spider positions
quiet saddle
Yo that's super good to know
jagged vault
But at that point jsut dashing might be fasterl
quiet saddle
I hate getting past that 1st devout with no 2/3 soul cap
true palm
ye alternative if you dont break the floor is wait for him to backup and pogo him and go behind
you take 1 damage usually
quiet saddle
Oh you can actually make it behind the 1st devout?
He seemed to cover the entire hall
true palm
yes but you need the geo so you kill him the first time
quiet saddle
Good to know
quiet saddle
I usually have geo to spare, cuz I end up having to kill more than I need on my route
quiet saddle
For both like soul and just not having good movement
jagged vault
(You can tell i’m on am mobile keyboars)
quiet saddle
I feel that pain
haughty fossil
blue go to bed
jagged vault
I am in bed
jagged vault
Me no sleepy jamie
haughty fossil
i like to count hits on mmc to go to sleep
jagged vault
mossyPet
haughty fossil
jagged vault
But what if i count past like 15 and it dies before i fall asleep D:
haughty fossil
set nail damage to 0
jagged vault
languid rover
why does my game occasionally freeze on the downgraded version of the game?
hearty adder
Because 1221 is very badly optimized
hearty adder
If you're having issues that make it hard/impossible to play and/or record runs on 1221, running on cp is perfectly ok
languid rover
yeah, its just occasionally when something big is about to load or like when I grab the vengeful spirit I have these huge freezes
grizzled maple
Ah yep that's 1221
If it were more like stuttering I would say this could be a registry issue and you should just delete the whole thing for a full reset
but just freezing on those kinds of loads is actually just the normal game
languid rover
its not stuttering, just the big loads
what are the mods that allow you to save state and no clip? I would need those for my practicing.
grizzled maple
They should be in #resources
languid rover
ok, thank you
grizzled maple
I think this is the most recent assembly:
#resources message
Just rename your vanilla one and replace with this. rename the orginal back correctly to turn debug off.
And this is the most recent Debug.dll:
#resources message
Create a Mods folder in managed and stick this in there.
This should be the file path
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\hollow_knight_Data\Managed
dapper cove
does anyone have a map for cp all skills
the map i found is incomplete and now i'm at the end of the map
my saviour slaurent rescuing me in my streaming blunder lmao
thorn jasper
I don't think anyone has kept doing the map. You could always watch where a run goes
dapper cove
i'm currently live that's not an option lmao
and i don't know optimal routes exactly
thorn jasper
do you have the route notes?
dapper cove
i don't have enough monitors to make that work
dapper cove
i'm trying to read stream chat, play the game, and have a map pulled up
i don' really have much more space
thorn jasper
replace the map with the route notes I guess?
worthy sluice
I was trying to get one hit of soul for a heal and a miner did some bullshite and turned on his reach hacks to kill me
I was probably 2 pixels inside his hitbox
molten aurora
Crystal peaks is the worst.
worthy sluice
The room before showed me how terrible i am at the game, i missed the cycle cuz i didnt get on top of the platform and i went from 4 health to 1 health : D
Just to try and keep a decent pace
If it werent for the invulrability i wouldve died trying to hit god pixel
Cuz i was 2 minutes behind my pb because of a death at watchers
languid rover
I think this is the most recent assembly:
https://discord.com/channels/283467363...
is this how to install the mods?
languid rover
I did that and they don't seem to be loaded
grizzled maple
You did create the folder called Mods that you placed debug into, correct?
Debug doesn't go in managed
grizzled maple
Is the modded assembly named correctly as if it were the vanilla one?
languid rover
I have no clue what you are talking about, so that is def the solution
grizzled maple
Screenshot the contents of your managed folder for me and I can tell you what to do
languid rover
ok, I think I did it this time
grizzled maple
Oh I see it. Maybe consider renaming with like a letter at the end so its easier to switch between them. Its something you'll do often
But thats good. Glad you got it~
languid rover
ok, thanks for the suggestion
desert kiln
Well that’s better (FPS-wise), right?
languid rover
my save states seem to be messed up
and whats the button to bring the debug menu back?
hearty adder
f1
limpid phoenix
in terms of speedruns, has anyone considered an all bosses category?
dawn orbit
njap theres godmaster speedruns too where you just fight almost every boss like 5 times and also get void heart on the way
grizzled maple
Godhome ending doesn't do all bosses though
grizzled maple
The closest to a cp all bosses run is 112 All Pantheon Bosses. No one would do a cp all bosses run for that reason. Its just a worse 112 at that point. Which is why it stayed a 1221 category
limpid phoenix
Its a 1221 category though
only 2 runs lol
jagged vault
Godhome Ending 👀
limpid phoenix
k
btw why was the old route changed soooo much
i heard its cuz someone found out u didnt need upgraded nail to 2 cycle uumuu but how did that affect other things
like getting ismas tear and wings getting removed
jagged vault
For what cetegory
stiff delta
Any%?
haughty fossil
ismas. route was barely faster with 2 cycle
stiff delta
njap you should watch fires video about it
haughty fossil
when cdash route started being able to 2 cycle too ismas became slower and had a next to impossible skip in it
ismas route was never run, to be clear. the skip is incredibly hard and has only been done in segments
jaunty anvil
i wish it was easier to TAS hk so we could see a direct perfect comparison
stiff delta
So jamie what you are saying is wr free with ismas route
normal aspen
I've done the full thing single segment jame, it just took a while
once u get the first bit its easy to retry the 3rd
getting it all quickly is a whole other thing tho
jaunty anvil
if isma route saved like a big chunk of time maybe ppl would run it
limpid phoenix
insomnia didnt u do the crazy skip (its on ur twitter i think)
normal aspen
yeah
thorn jasper
was ||chain-dying to flukemarm|| a skip?
haughty fossil
I've done the full thing single segment jame, it just took a while
darn mixed details
jaunty anvil
imagine if salubra didn’t sell shamans i wonder how that would affect like everything
limpid phoenix
all essence could be a speedrun lmao
jaunty anvil
all whispering roots is
limpid phoenix
im saying all possible essence (bosses, roots but not counting the 1 essence u get from enemies sometimes)
jaunty anvil
yea
jagged vault
Could be pretty interesting tbh
limpid phoenix
but... it could be a thing right...
jaunty anvil
yea
limpid phoenix
new route
jaunty anvil
anything could b a thing
jagged vault
It’s like combining TE to AWR to ghostbuster%
limpid phoenix
whats ghostbuster%
jagged vault
Also Zote and White defender and soul tyrant
limpid phoenix
true
haughty fossil
all whispering roots does all roots at least
limpid phoenix
yea so is this a good/decent/get out of my face you idiot idea?
jagged vault
It sounds pretty interesting in terms of meme category
haughty fossil
I'd suggest it to quacksilver, ambassador of meme speedruns
jagged vault
A million times better than most suggestions we get
limpid phoenix
holy shit this could be a thing
limpid phoenix
A million times better than most suggestions we get<:zote:562358113374568477>
flukemarm%plspwdkertjtyh (totally wasnt me ever)
haughty fossil
elderbug% except not the one already on the board, just talk to elderbug
jagged vault
Die in crossroads%
haughty fossil
we don't have enough kp categories
low bramble
^
limpid phoenix
kp stands for?
haughty fossil
kiyns pass
low bramble
kings pass
jaunty anvil
new category idea: Sad , kill myla, cloth, DN marrissa and sit w quirrel
limpid phoenix
oh ok
haughty fossil
thanks aerto
low bramble
kiyns pass
limpid phoenix
new category idea: Sad , kill myla, cloth, DN marrissa and sit w quirrel
so basically heartless demon%
jaunty anvil
yea
low bramble
@ all 4ms runners rename your kp split to kiyns pass now
limpid phoenix
k
haughty fossil
new category idea: Sad , kill myla, cloth, DN marrissa and sit w quirrel
iirc quacks already devises and run genocide
jaunty anvil
what is THAT
stiff delta
Alrigjt aerto im on it
low bramble
yes TK
grizzled maple
You guys are thinking of monster% and that exists too
It does everything heartless in the game including making every grub sad
stiff delta
Like you just walk up to it and leave
stiff delta
thats awesome
neon island
You had me at “making every grub sad”
stiff delta
Saving only mimics
hearty adder
Use lantern for practice at first
limpid phoenix
lmfao
hearty adder
Crystal Dash method is safe
neon island
dapper cove
i don't have time to watch a video im live
limpid phoenix
oh shoot
stiff delta
I mean the vid has the answers you are looking for
deft flame
how do people usually limit fps?
dapper cove
but im also live
deft flame
the in game option or external program?
stiff delta
Rivatuner i think
haughty fossil
but im also live
cdash. if you get it cancelled, dash and wall jump. if you slam into a wall, wall jump. repeat until the end of the room
limpid ruin
how do people usually limit fps?
Rivatuner statistics server is what I use, but I know others have success with an nvidia control panel feature as well with nvidia cards
dapper cove
progress is slow but i am getting closer to getting through the dark room
limpid ruin
progress is slow but i am getting closer to getting through the dark room
I still recommend the video even live ngl. It's like 2 minutes and just straight to the point and great for studying 👀
thorn jasper
molten aurora
You can get a heal in at the statue outside the hut.
gritty remnant
Hai im going to try speedrun white palace so wish me luck!
thorn jasper
You can get a heal in at the statue outside the hut.
don't heal all the soul away and not have enough to dive into the mound 
dapper cove
i'm in the hut
i was on one mask in the hut
now i'm on three in the hut
and now i'm back at 1 for going the wrong way
...i went to the grub
molten aurora
i'm in the hut
I'm assuming this is all skills right?
molten aurora
Ah okay, can you do the dash slash glitch to skip ddark animation on current patch?
dapper cove
that took me half an hour
i don't know and i'm not going for speed yet
i'm just trying to learn the route
molten aurora
If it's possible on cp, it's not hard at all.
dapper cove
i'm still just celebrating the fact that i only had to do mound once
jagged vault
To gain control out of the animation
dapper cove
yeah i killed him
molten aurora
Ah okay makes sense.
molten aurora
Time to practice crystal peaks 300 times because I'm sick of dying there
stiff delta
Cpeaks is hard but for the most part its basically all shmoovement
Once you get it down youve got it down
stiff delta
Nice
dapper cove
tips for getting to isma?
i know you aren't supposed to fight dung defender
but i can't get that nail thing just right in the broken elevator shaft
molten aurora
but i can't get that nail thing just right in the broken elevator shaft
I'd say just practice the spike tunnel, after 15-20mins you should be able to get it fairly consistent, the biggest thing for me was actually paying attention to where my character was before I tried to pogo, rather than relying on pure muscle memory.
limpid ruin
Time to practice crystal peaks 300 times because I'm sick of dying there <:grubs...
Do recommend. Just remember to take enough breaks so you don't strain your hands like a certain other here did (me, I strained my hands). It's honestly super fun movement 👀
urban dove
limpid ruin
Mmm, tip for spike tunnel: jump from the bottom of the plank, then pogo just after apex of your jump, and hold the dash button in after the pogo to make sure the game buffers it
It's a tricky skip for sure tho
pliant lagoon
I see. I was thinking that, wait, we have cdash before ismas? why are we getting that XD
yikes
limpid ruin
Yee, we have cdash bc it's along the way to getting ddark :3
molten aurora
Do recommend. Just remember to take enough breaks so you don't strain your hands...
I agree, I enjoy the movement, I just always choke it in runs, for example my first practice run just now, I got it perfect including the dash slash storage. But in runs I turn into a potato. I just need to get consistent at the whole game
pliant lagoon
i took ismas as an "ability" rather than a "skill" though
thorn jasper
i keep hitting the ceiling after the pogo
you can pogo later than you think
molten aurora
i keep hitting the ceiling after the pogo
Pogo a little closer to the bottom spikes
dapper cove
thanks slaurent!
thorn jasper
i took ismas as an "ability" rather than a "skill" though
the game doesn't differentiate what a "skill" is, so the community just decided the list one time
dapper cove
if you couldn't tell i got very flustered when you showed up on stream lmao
i've been watching your stuff for a while
even talking to y'all is mind boggling sometimes
especially skurry coming out that made me so so happy as a fellow nonbinary person
limpid ruin
i keep hitting the ceiling after the pogo
Then you pogo too early most likely, so try and either pogo later, press dash sooner, or both 
dapper cove
i've also managed to do some really weird deaths
limpid ruin
Ey that's me, I do lots of deaths
limpid ruin
Yee. Let's just say a lot of us have experienced the pain that is spike tunnel, often in runs 🥴
dapper cove
mmmm
can't wait
im still live if you want to watch my torture
and give tips
pls give tips
rare laurelBOT
dull lion
Poor modmail is having a rough one 
jaunty anvil
hey gamers where is the dreamgate.dat file supposed 2 go ?
just re installed debug n want my gates
civic hamlet
can i post a screenshot of my recording setup and get an opinion on the size of my livesplit
unsure if it's a little too big
molten aurora
Go for it.
molten aurora
I think that looks fine, but I'm also not a mod.
civic hamlet
well thank you for your opinion 
i shall wait for more people to chime in too 
molten aurora
For sure.
stray kestrel
looks a bit on the big side imo, probably wouldnt get it invalidated, it looks somewhat transparent which is definitely good
jaunty anvil
alil big
molten aurora
Not gonna lie, for a second I thought that was a 3hr 45min VS, I'm a bit slow sometimes
civic hamlet
sure feels like it sometimes when i get to vs
molten aurora
With the amount of resets I have, It's prolly accurate for me.
stray kestrel
this should be a good size then
looks good to me
civic hamlet
i only just did a full practice run of the game yesterday with some cheating death on wk just to get the route in my head more, but today im going for real no reset attempts
and thank you, i just want it to be as good as possible for when i do submit a run
i used to speedrun getting over it but my setup for that was a bit scuffed
put some effort into making livesplit look nice this time round
stray kestrel
my go to is chroma key + comic sans
civic hamlet
evil
stray kestrel
mods have said no to wingdings in the past so it could be worse
civic hamlet
did anyone get a run through before that ruling 
molten aurora
My question is, why did that rule need to be implemented?
civic hamlet
stray kestrel
i dont think there were submitted runs but i know at least one person was using it on stream
civic hamlet
just learn wingdings @ verifiers
molten aurora
I'm so bad when it comes to recording runs, I miss one jump that costs 0.2 seconds, and I want to reset because I know someone will see it.
scenic stag
I can't get my splits to appear on my actual game screen
civic hamlet
play in borderless window and check this in livesplit layout settings on the first tab
civic hamlet
I'm so bad when it comes to recording runs, I miss one jump that costs 0.2 secon...
i feel you, i don't even have a full proper run yet and if i mess up intro/forgotten, i will reset everytime because im not about to set my bar with scuffed movement
thorn jasper
The power move is to have a bad start in your pb, so subsequent runs feel better
scenic stag
i got them but having the task bar is kinda annoying
molten aurora
I wish I could accept a slow start, my stupid brain is like "You're not submitting a run till it's perfect", knowing full well, I'm more than 20 mins away from WR.
pliant lagoon
no runs are perfect <(￣︶￣)
civic hamlet
i got them but having the task bar is kinda annoying
if you use a program like borderless gaming it auto removes the borders on the windowed hk, it's what i use, free on github, but you can pay to have it on steam
thorn jasper
There's also the -popupwindow launch option you can add to steam
civic hamlet
another note, if you plan on using
borderless gamingwith obs/streamlabs, game capture doesn't wanna pick up the game unless you start it withoutBGfirst, then once it captures you can re-openBG
dry sluice
scenic stag
I'm just convinced everyone who has ever done explosion pogo is just lying
it's not possible
nope
molten aurora
I'm just convinced everyone who has ever done explosion pogo is just lying
Are you on current patch?
molten aurora
Ah okay, once you learn the setup, it's just practicing timing, that can take a while, I was so excited when I hit my first epogo.
scenic stag
doing it without debug mod also just hurts
proud vessel
~~ignore that i haven't finished a run past wk yet hah~~
well me neither
molten aurora
I'm curious, if I was to submit a 7 hour run, would the speedrun mods even consider verifying it?
proud vessel
you gonna try to beat verulean at the longest speedrun record?
molten aurora
Haha, nah, I was just interested.
pliant lagoon
If i am a part of mod members, I will verify that just for you 
molten aurora
If i am a part of mod members, I will verify that just for you <:zoteanger:72080...
Haha, ty, I just sure hope I don't have to submit a run 6 hours slower than my pb.
rose surge
i dont have runner role so i cant comment but 10/10 drawing in #any-percent-nmg gwonkee
civic hamlet
um i know theres a bug where if you dont do the waking up from dreamnail thing right, that next time you try to inv-drop you just lock in place, but can that same trick also backfire and make your wall jump not work, despite cling happening?
i didnt quite dash out in time, i woke up right next to the exit in seer's room
made it all the way to kingstation and i was going for the collectible, and i just cannot wall jump anymore
hallow orchid
You most likely clung to a wall in the elevator on the way down silvia
That kills your walljump
civic hamlet
awh
civic hamlet
new run time :')
civic hamlet
see you all the on the flipside
dapper cove
of course i got raided right as i ended the stream too
proud vessel
i was able to do epogo a couple of times
molten aurora
I'm suddenly dropping so many inputs, video game please.
dapper cove
it's because of me
also jesse i got raided right after i ended stream and now i feel bad lmao
molten aurora
Haha, that sucks, should have pushed for the whole run in a day.
Also, now even my discord is dropping inputs, I think I need to restart my PC.
civic hamlet
i was doing well for myself (other than not getting VFK insta and mantis jump, i died to actually walking into a wk like an idiot, they didnt even strike me down, i just walked into them
im just solidifying my beginning so much that i'll barely ever pb those splits by the time i get an actual run done
(splits are ugly color because i usually color key them)
analog monolith
question, does anyone have a cp pop file
(yes i would ask elsewhere but i do not have a completed run as my laptop simply abhors recording)
haughty fossil
1221 pop file should work the same
analog monolith
hmm i tried it but it wouldn't work
didn't show up
also it shouldn't save lever state unless you die/exit right
normal aspen
CP only checks what slots have files with them on startup and savequit I think
Lever state saves as soon as u do it
analog monolith
gdi
normal aspen
You just paste in the new one over the top
normal aspen
We8rd
analog monolith
i'll try again
haughty fossil
is the save named correctly
normal aspen
Name is right?
analog monolith
yes
normal aspen
Coz it should at least show up as corrupted
Can u send a screenshot of ur saves dir
normal aspen
analog monolith
??? it seems to have worked
normal aspen
ayyy
analog monolith
now time to get to atrium bench and make a backup there since this file is basin save
wAit
NO
i remember now
this is the file that only has 2 soul vessels and 5 charm notches 
it did work before
just it fucken sucks ass
ok got a diff one to work and this one's 1221 full clear so it should work perfect
haughty fossil
you can use modinstaller on current patch
solid crystal
the one from nexusmods?
haughty fossil
no, #archived-modding-help pins
solid crystal
thanks
pliant lagoon
question, does anyone have a cp pop file
do you still need cp pop file?
analog monolith
nah i got it working. thanks though! ^^
arctic palm
pliant lagoon
No problem
Honestly after looking Schy's pop run, I am done practicing 
but i wish you hf ahhhh
analog monolith
tyyyy
i have yet to complete a recorded run lol
first room is too painful
and second room
third room isn't too bad, fourth room is just long and easy to mess up
pliant lagoon
that is why it's called pop XD
i am wondering whether you have watched Schy's run
third room technically should be the hardest
pliant lagoon
also i think Schy had a guide in his youtube channal
analog monolith
i'm even struggling to get fast cycle first room though lol
pliant lagoon
yeah
analog monolith
i'm also probably using a really unorthodox charm loadout
pliant lagoon
the drop between two buzz-saws is difficult for me
analog monolith
the one in the first room?
analog monolith
sharp, dash, longnail, mop, quickslash, sprintmaster
for the first room i just try to get the cycle as fast as possible
and then it's timing the movement, it's pretty lenient the drift
i also do a cdash stall for a split second
analog monolith
ddark down, ddark left, go to right side, triple shade soul, wait for soul, ddark
pliant lagoon
yeah the window is quite tight
analog monolith
at least it's not suuuuuper tight, you can take damage from a wingmould and still make it
2:57.18
not bad for first completed run :D
actually the lil spike tunnel in the 3rd room is a little hard
pliant lagoon
that is awesome!
it is hard to do super fast
but if you got rhythm
you will get almost every single time
my noob exp
analog monolith
i still just struggle with finishing at alll
can't get past anything consistently :c
pliant lagoon
if you equip ss
the fast kill will be ddark sprit to right attack once and triple fb
i believe
not sure how to do without ss though
analog monolith
except you see
the issue is i have no clue what to get rid of
to equip ss
only thing i can think of is longnail + sprintmaster but then the pogos get more difficult
pliant lagoon
do you really need mop and longnail?
pliant lagoon
yeah it really up to how comfortable you are
lethal shore
Sup
true palm
?rank randomizer racer
sick ravenBOT
@true palm, you joined Randomizer Racer.
solid crystal
do I need to uninstall mod api and/or debug mod for a run to be verified?
grizzled maple
Yes mods cannot be on as the modding api affects performance
solid crystal
thanks
snow dome
You can get the regular API and just swap them around when you want to change between vanilla and regular, also.
I use the multiple install method, myself.
limpid phoenix
k so yesterday i came up with a new category idea and gwonkee (through speedrun.com) told me to ask people to run it just to see if people are interested. The idea is essence%. Get all essence from bosses, roots and ghosts is the main idea (getting essence from killing enemies does not count)
i dont have a route yet tho
leaden python
you might be interested in ghostbusters%. It's not entirely the same but kinda similar
limpid phoenix
ye it was inspired by that lol
btw how come ghostbusters% and menderbug% arent here?
limpid phoenix
wdym by that
serene coral
i'm talking about the people really pulling the strings in this town, behind the supposed "mods" you see on discord or speedrun . com
just follow the geo
limpid phoenix
so it needs to be approved by certain people?
short spire
menderbug% is under the kings pass ILs
short spire
ils are under the side bar
normal aspen
RNG is menderbug
limpid phoenix
oh ok
jagged vault
for a meme run to be added there needs to be a certain level of interest
a soft rule is 3 people doing runs of it
regal viper
I got to CHeart in under one hour
open swan
i heard in low% 40 hours is spent farming birds
short spire
it wasn't too bad since their run was segmented
thorn jasper
it wasn't too bad since their run was segmented
(skurry uses they/them now)
short spire
doing it in a full RTA run would be pretty terrible tho
short spire
(skurry uses they/them now)
mb thanks
leaden python
yeah it was mostly comfy just chatting experience 
open swan
is "great hopper%" an official speedrun
hearty adder
Imagine having to do the same bird farming motion for 30-40 hours straight
Your hands would just fall off
hallow orchid
I did skurrys plando from a while back that was like 2 hours of essence farming. Surprisingly not terrible. 40 hours would be significantly worse though
thorn jasper
meow
rigid umbra
I'm most likely never going to do a speed run 
vocal dove
you can get it if you really want, but you must try.
rugged crow
I'm most likely never going to do a speed run <:hollowsad:335964068450009108>
Don't know if you're good at it if you don't try :)
open swan
yeah
deep kernel
When I try to add subsplits to multiple splits it doesn't show the subsplit on the second split
It doesn't show greenpath on the splits when I do this
ionic sparrow
scroll down on splits to mothwing clock
cloak*
it will expand once the split is active
deep kernel
alright thanks :D
thorn jasper
i think there's also an option in the subsplit ui settings to always show the inner splits
rigid umbra
I just reed the messages you all sent me and thank you, you are all berry kind
short spire
more like cherry kind
rigid umbra
Haha pun
short spire
aw cmon you're not allowed to fix the typo when i make a banger of a joke like that
rigid umbra
Ok, I'll fix it
short spire
ty
rigid umbra
Yw
limpid ruin
When I try to add subsplits to multiple splits it doesn't show the subsplit on t...
Otherwise if you want all subsplits visible as well you can do so in the layout editor settings
hearty adder
it'd be best to not spam with too many emotes
thorn jasper
Just triyng emojis, nothing personal
don't try them here. this channel should stay on topic
sly radish
Sorry
thorn jasper
thank you 
short spire
you can see all the emotes in #rules-and-info
agile dagger
Aight so i finished my first nmg speedrun yesterday