speedrunning

[dim coral]

Hey guys, a question about the leaderboards.
After I've submitted a run, and it's still awaiting verification, if I manage to get a new PB, should I wait the previous run to be approved, delete it, just update it, or simply upload a new run?

[digital jewel]

if you simply upload your new run as well then they'll both be verified

and you can see your history on speedrun.com

[random oak]

everything is up to date lol

i have a suspicion and its only that

i wonder if the controller is causing issues

like the usb cable is freaking out. because when i plug it in and unplug it the game audio and the game stutters for like 1s

[forest latch]

Which brings my question up about the leaderboards
If you upload another run, and it's a PB, does your current run (that is on the leaderboards) get replaced by the new one?

Just asking because I recently submitted my second any% run

[digital jewel]

every run ever done is on the leaderboard but by default it only shows everyone's best time

[random oak]

woahhhhhhh

[elder gale]

Btw one more question. Is invertory spamming to skip thk first scream nmg? I mean if its not i think its just slower or something because nobody does it. I think ive done it In couple runs(not sure about pbs, im very sure i didnt do it today atleast) and just now realized it could be banned for some stupid reason I dont even know

[random oak]

so i unplugged my controller and botted up the game

it won't open

[dim coral]

Alright! Thank you!
I was just wondering if uploading a new run 3 days after the first one wasn't too annoying, just started speedruning haha. Thanks again

[random oak]

keeps crashing

[forest latch]

Oh yikes

[random oak]

this is great

[meager current]

i think it isnt nmg but i might be misremembering

[random oak]

we have a lead finally

[digital jewel]

that's not allowed

[elder gale]

Okay good to know

Why tho

[forest latch]

So is it the controller crashing the game? Or am I missing the point?

[grizzled maple]

Inventory storage

[forest latch]

Or, at least, fucking up the game

[elder gale]

I mean I literally found that glitch when i played pantheons casually and did it everytime in casual playing

[grizzled maple]

Yes but its major

[elder gale]

What makes it major

[twin swallow]

if the controller is repeatedly connecting and disconnecting, it could be filling up a memory buffer

[digital jewel]

what controller is it

[forest latch]

^ Yeah, it could depend on what type of controller it is

It might also depend on the USB cord or some shit

[elder gale]

Im reallt just curious how is it major, lol. I dont really care that much to stop doing it, just dont get the point

[grizzled maple]

I'll let someone more versed in glitches explain why

[random oak]

A ps4 controller

[twin swallow]

when i reconnect my ds4 it does lag the shit out of the game for several seconds

[digital jewel]

what are you using to connect it for hk? ds4windows?

[dim coral]

another question. A lot of runs don't have the milliseconds, when submiting a new run, should I always add it (and show them on my splits) or just add the seconds?

[digital jewel]

just add minutes and seconds

[dim coral]

great! Thank you xero

[random oak]

I think it’s being used as a usb gamepad

It’s been a min since I added it

[digital jewel]

controller sounds like it could be the problem for sure

at least you have something to mess with now

[bronze anchor]

Can I get the speedrunner role? run was verified today https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/yv2rg6om

[hearty adder]

Inventory storage is pretty broken, one other use I can think of rn is that on glitched categories it's used to store text and be able to move while a character is speaking to you

If you go for it during a NMG run you'll be invalidated, it'd be best if you tried going for a damage tank scream skip instead

[elder gale]

Yeah but im not talking about other uses

[hearty adder]

It's still the same glitch used in different ways

And it's a major glitch

[grizzled maple]

It's all the same no matter what you're using it for

inventory storage ranges from completely innocuous and sometimes allowed to stupid broke

[elder gale]

Yeah I just have to remember not to do it accidentally thats all lol.

[hearty adder]

get some practice going so you can get the damage tank scream skip muscle memory instead

[elder gale]

No im not talking about skipping inside of fight. I mean like before the fight begins scream lol

[grizzled maple]

yeah

[elder gale]

Its on my muscle memory becouse I did same thing every time when i did pure vessel radiant at long time ago

Luckily my newest pb I did tody doesnt do it. I checked

[verbal junco]

wk hardest split

[hollow mesa]

My p4 tries and my 112 attempt were atrocious, but at least I got sub 5 p2

[dusk portal]

Btw, now that my 4MS run has been verified, can a src com mod give me the speedrunner role please?
https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes/run/y8v8q45z

[verbal junco]

man
it's been 30 minutes and im still not off wk split

[forest latch]

pat pat
In my first run, it took me 20 minutes
If I can do it, you can do it too

[verbal junco]

motivation

[last inlet]

tbh wk will suck for a while

they're hard

[forest latch]

I mean, hell, in my recent run, I defeated them on the second attempt

Fast learner, I know

[last inlet]

i had a run recently where i would have got like 43:xx except i died i think 3 times to them

[whole rivet]

ive never neat wk in any%

[last inlet]

my pb is 56:27

[whole rivet]

*beat

[forest latch]

Yeah I prevented another 20 minute time loss, but still

[whole rivet]

actually ive never finished a run

at all

so

im quite a beginner

[forest latch]

Funnily enough, I named the WK split "Time Loss Knights" for the shits and giggles, yet I managed to get through them

[last inlet]

my wk split doesnt have a dumb name yet

[verbal junco]

i just named my wk split 'lurien'

[last inlet]

my qg entry split is just called 'run dies'

[hearty adder]

Watcher Knights is what most people have issues with, even more experienced runners do. It's all practice for the future

[whole rivet]

im on console

[hearty adder]

Do you run on pc or console?

[last inlet]

(time save for next run)

[whole rivet]

bro i told the future

[verbal junco]

laptop

[hearty adder]

Don't worry, i run on laptop too

If you don't already, having a separate executable of the game with debug mod downloaded will help you with practice

What I usually do is setting up a savestate right before a boss, so I can reload it for continuous boss practice

You'll show WKs who's boss in no time

[last inlet]

yeah

[forest latch]

True

I didn't even practice-

[last inlet]

i've done that for a few hours total and they generally dont get in my way any more

except once you start dying you get tilted and continue to die

[whole rivet]

i spent like a week practicing the second greenpath fireball skip lol

[last inlet]

until you're getting decent times i think squit backup is ok

that's one of the ones i want to get consistently tho

[verbal junco]

i use 3 fireballs and if that fails i use squit

[whole rivet]

im using 2 fireballs

like a pro 😏

[last inlet]

i'm on kb so like half the time i end up shooting a fireball the wrong way

[whole rivet]

i want to run true ending but playstation wont record that long 😦

[last inlet]

i think i'm gonna learn te after i'm happy with my any% time

probably want to get in the range of 40-45mins then i'll move on

[whole rivet]

like i said ive legit never finished even a practice run

[last inlet]

as long as you're practising you're getting better

[whole rivet]

i just keep wanting to get like a perfect claw split for some reason

[last inlet]

i'm sure once you finish a run it'll be good tho

yea early game can get annoying fast

i'd say it's worth finishing a run if you dont die early

[whole rivet]

i want to get sub hour eventually on console

actually

[verbal junco]

i keep getting to the last two wk's and dying

[last inlet]

even if just for practice

[whole rivet]

i have to bc ps4 doesnt record for longer than an ghour

[last inlet]

i've died to last knight alone in a run before

[whole rivet]

*hour

[last inlet]

that was tilting

[whole rivet]

oof

[last inlet]

something which feels like can easily happen against wk is that you beat the first 3 then get overconfident and take like 4 masks to the next 2

[whole rivet]

i can only do wk wit shade soul

on te

*with

[last inlet]

i'd be interested to see how any% wk compare to some other speedrun figts

like the radiance in te without shriek/only 5 masks

ik there is an alternate shriek route but afaik it's not used as much

[hearty adder]

Yeah, it's more rng iirc

[verbal junco]

when you fight wk for so long you get the 1/300 essence

[hearty adder]

I've been practicing shade soul route, maybe someday if i git gud I'll go for shriek route instead

[hearty adder]

If you feel you're getting too frustrated you can stop the run, take a break, do some WK practice and try again

[whole rivet]

ok tmrw imma just FINISH A RUN

[last inlet]

also how does essence work in te? the route looks like you get exactly 1800 but use dg 5 times so you'd end up at 1795? or am i a dumb

[hearty adder]

Frustration will make playing much harder

[whole rivet]

you get the rest from a tree

[verbal junco]

im not

[hearty adder]

You get the essence you used back from a tree

[whole rivet]

at resting grounds

[hearty adder]

Oop 🐌

[last inlet]

yeah ok makes sense

[forest latch]

It takes some time

Hell, I had ZERO practice before zooming to WK
Sometimes practice isn't needed, but eh

[stiff delta]

Practice is never explicitly needed but it always helps a ton

[forest latch]

Yeah true

[whole rivet]

rlly?

that seems cap

[last inlet]

i guess you could theoretically submit a run which you havent practised at all

[stiff delta]

one time i kept throwing a bunch of on pace runs to cpeaks

[forest latch]

It's also because I had past experiences with the fight

[last inlet]

i dont think the srcom mods would like you much

[stiff delta]

So i spent like an hour or 2 grinding out cpeaks

And then in my pb i got a gold on cpeaks split

[last inlet]

bc they have to verify you being bad for like 3 hours

[forest latch]

Specifically, I fought them a ton on the switch version, and I dragged that experience over to the PC version

[stiff delta]

Yea when i played on switch practicing was a lot harder

[hearty adder]

I really need to grind cpeaks, but i hate the place so much lol

[last inlet]

but you could submit like a 4 hour any% with no practice

[stiff delta]

As in i didnt do it

[last inlet]

same

[forest latch]

Except I use an Xbox controller for PC, so I had to get used to it

[whole rivet]

there is a 6 hour any% run on console

[last inlet]

as in i need to grind peaks

[stiff delta]

But on switch is less like practice and more like “keep doing runs until it clicks”

[whole rivet]

isnnt that practice?

[last inlet]

i can do the last room

[forest latch]

Nah I feel like it might be more consistent

[last inlet]

none of the others

[forest latch]

In theory, it is, but it's also experience in the fight

[whole rivet]

ok boss

[forest latch]

If you have a ton of experience fighting them, you might be able to defeat them with no problem in a any% run

You just have to be careful

Don't be like me, who was too aggressive with the fight

[stiff delta]

But imo its always better to practice

Also be aggressive at wk

[forest latch]

Not TOO aggressive tho

[stiff delta]

The faster they die the less chance you have to get hit

[forest latch]

Just the right amount of aggressive

[last inlet]

pretty sure this is one of zote's precepts

[stiff delta]

Lmao

He was spittin tho

[granite field]

I guess you're talking about wk, right?

[forest latch]

Yep

[last inlet]

yep

[stiff delta]

Yea wk

[last inlet]

as usual

[granite field]

obviously lol

[forest latch]

Because they're fucking hard

Well, not for most of us

[last inlet]

which other boss would we discuss in #speedrunning

[stiff delta]

Not if you practice

[forest latch]

But hard for most new runners

[whole rivet]

thats one of rusty's precepts

[forest latch]

Let's be real, my second run was pretty good in my eyes

Dragged that experience through the ground just to fight them

[last inlet]

i think my current pb on srcom dies 3 times to them

[stiff delta]

I didnt watch your second run so i cant comment on it

[last inlet]

i should really update that

as in record a decent run

[forest latch]

I got the video link if needed

[verbal junco]

i took time and healed and beat wk first try
am i actually that fucking dumb?

[last inlet]

my life's ambition is to get a run where i dont die going for qga

[forest latch]

Same thing happened to me, it's fine

Can't fucking believe I died two times to Uumuu on my second run tho

Out of all the bosses I died on, it had to be Uumuu

[last inlet]

i dont die to uumuu, i just get like a 7-cycle

[stiff delta]

As much as i say be aggresive its still 100% fine to play it safe

[verbal junco]

but anyways lurien done

[whole rivet]

i finished a 2h45m run, but without using the route

[stiff delta]

beatijg them first try is faster than dying

[whole rivet]

just the skips

[last inlet]

i can usually get 4 cycles now

[verbal junco]

1hour lurien split

[forest latch]

Uumuu is.. I dunno man

[stiff delta]

i think my pb either 3 or 4 cycles uumuu

[forest latch]

THK I died once to

[last inlet]

uumuu bad

[forest latch]

I had some really good Baldur RNG tho

[last inlet]

thk is kinda rough in any%

[forest latch]

And I did Shade Skip and Acid Skip (Crossroads) first try but shhh

[stiff delta]

Cp thk is tough

1221 thk lowkey a cakewalk

[last inlet]

dying to thk just feels bad

[stiff delta]

It really does

[last inlet]

time loss at the end of a run sucks

[stiff delta]

Its so demoralizing

[forest latch]

Soul-destroying at most

[whole rivet]

i can barely do any bosses in any%

[forest latch]

I'm quite used to fast-paced fights tho, so it didn't destroy my soul too much

[whole rivet]

base vs is just... ugh

this is te me talking rn

[forest latch]

Had a good pace as well, got a PB on all of my splits

Hell, the entire run was good

[last inlet]

the difficulty of bosses in any% goes: easy, kinda tricky, easy, fuck, fuck but rng, slightly less fuck

[whole rivet]

nice

well te has lost kin and failed champ and i hate them so much

[last inlet]

they're fun fights at least

[whole rivet]

true

[last inlet]

unlike uumuu

[forest latch]

Doesn't THK has SOME RNG?

[last inlet]

parry

[whole rivet]

idk

[forest latch]

I mean

[whole rivet]

i cant say anything about anything in speedrunning

[last inlet]

the rng is just do you get parried

[forest latch]

I used these parries to land some hits

Jump then pogo-slash on their head

They're quite easy to dodge

[last inlet]

i usually just trip the parry then pogo, you get the iframes from the parry and 1 hit

parries just mean there's time in which you dont get to deal damage

therefore slow

also if you trip the parry you literally have to parry back bc a dash doesnt take you out of range

[forest latch]

True

[verbal junco]

i died on cheart parkour

[last inlet]

i definitely have never done that

[forest latch]

That's gotta be soul-shattering

[last inlet]

cpeaks is a rough split tho

[forest latch]

Idk about you

But I kinda got through it just fine

[last inlet]

one of the harder ones to learn imo

[forest latch]

Almost died tho

[last inlet]

if you start missing cycles it throws everything off

[whole rivet]

tf is that?

[forest latch]

Honestly?
I'm so glad that I remembered the route

[last inlet]

so if you arent consistent it kinda just screws you over

[forest latch]

Parkour before obtaining Crystal Heart

[whole rivet]

ah

[last inlet]

did you die in the cheart room?

[whole rivet]

i suck at the last 2 platforms on thst

*that

[forest latch]

thst

Ehhh..

Thank god Baldur RNG didn't fuck me over-

[last inlet]

i did that recently bc i had 2hp, dashed too early on underplat, bonked the bottom of the platform then fell into spikes

[vocal dove]

i couldn't tell you the last time i did Crystal hearts room NOT on 1 health

[whole rivet]

i mean the laser timing

[last inlet]

ohh yeah

[forest latch]

Ah yes, the laser timing

That can fuck you over

[last inlet]

it's hard if you dont know damage/damageless cycle

[forest latch]

I've seen some runner do damageless cycle in a few races

Mainly in All Skills but shh

[last inlet]

i usually just do damage cycle

[whole rivet]

ok well its rlly fking late so BYE

[forest latch]

Speaking of which, I plan to do an All Skills run soon
I just need to either stay on CP, or downpatch

[last inlet]

doesnt matter how much hp you end the room with in any%

[forest latch]

Night!

[last inlet]

gn

[forest latch]

Funnily enough, for a few days now, I was thinking about improving on my first run

[verbal junco]

and done with cheart

[forest latch]

This morning I was like "eh fuck it why not?"

And then before you know it, I got a swag PB

[last inlet]

that one time where i fucking double died in peaks bc i got too tilted from dying in cheart room

hard reset on that one

[forest latch]

:)

First attempt of the day: I fucked up the squit skip

[last inlet]

rip

[forest latch]

Second attempt: GOOD RUN GO BRRR

[last inlet]

sometimes the squit is just an asshole

[forest latch]

Yeah true

[last inlet]

this is why fireball skipping is good

no squit fuckery

[forest latch]

Yeah but I always mess up the fireball skip

It's not consistent

[last inlet]

the tricks consistent but i sure arent

[verbal junco]

DAMN IT WHY AM I BAD AT ACID SKIPS

[last inlet]

the xroads one is hard without practice

[forest latch]

Yeah true

It's starting to get more consistent with me now, in terms of the crossroads acid skip

QGA is more precise tho

[last inlet]

i get that one almost every time now

qga is about a random 1 in 20 for me it seems

[forest latch]

It's extremely consistent once you get the hang of it

..I think

[last inlet]

qga?

i think it's not too bad once you learn it properly

but you need to find a good setup that you can execute

[forest latch]

Nah I was talking about CA (Crossroads Acid) in the "extremely consistent" part

QGA? I dunno

[last inlet]

yeah xroads is consistent

one of the more consistent parts of the run

[forest latch]

True

The same can be said for Shade Skip

[last inlet]

yea

if you have claw+dash shade skip is pretty much free

[forest latch]

Yeah true

[last inlet]

havent tried it without claw tho

[forest latch]

But you have to get the Shade at a specific spot

..I don't think it's possible without claw

Not sure

[last inlet]

it is

true ending does it no claw

in fact you can do it with only vs

i think at least

[forest latch]

Ah, alright

[last inlet]

i think that one's pretty cursed

you have to parry the shade, damage boost, pogo vs pogo

[forest latch]

OH YEAHH

I forgot

[last inlet]

(that's purely from what i remember of seeing videos)

[forest latch]

Yeah I think I can remember that too

[verbal junco]

i finally did acid skip

[forest latch]

Pog!

Now go do Uumuu.

[last inlet]

nice!

uumuu is a piece of shit

[strong vessel]

Nice!

I hate Uumuu

Shade skip with only VS is pretty much just TE shade skip, but you have to be closer to the thing, no?

[last inlet]

i think roughly

[strong vessel]

Because you can't dash

Obviously

[verbal junco]

(falls into fog canyon acid)

[forest latch]

I remember on my first run, at the first few attempts, I couldn't remember the route properly because I was extremely tired at the time

So I slept

And then when I woke up, I went back to trying over and over again

Up until the 16th attempt iirc

[strong vessel]

When I submitted my run to speedrun.com 3 days ago, it was in 151st place

Now it's in 155th

[forest latch]

LMAO

I'm right below you

[strong vessel]

People are very rapidly PBing I guess

[forest latch]

Yeah I recently got another PB

[hearty adder]

just a lot of people getting into speedrunning the game lately

[forest latch]

So I'm ascending

Honestly? I'm not sure how it got popular-

[strong vessel]

Well, it's fun

[forest latch]

True

stares at Watcher Knights

[strong vessel]

Okay, but Uumuu is pretty much the opposite of fun

At least the WK are a very difficult challenge

[forest latch]

Fuck Uumuu specifically

WK is pretty easy once you get the hang of it

[strong vessel]

But at least they're pretty consistent when you get used to it

Yeah

but Uumuu

I practiced that fight for like an hour today and only successfully 2-cycled twice

[forest latch]

Wait.

ARE WE TIED OR SOMETHING?

[strong vessel]

Idk, it hasn't shown up

It isn't on the leaderboard

[forest latch]

Because:

[last inlet]

i think i've only ever got a 2 cycle damage rotation once

[forest latch]

What's your time

[strong vessel]

Oh

You're on current patch

I'm on downpatch

[forest latch]

Yeah I'm on CP ofc

O h.

[strong vessel]

I mean, I was too

I just never submitted a run

[last inlet]

and never managed to finish a 2-cycle

[versed elbow]

[forest latch]

CP is more flexable for me, but I'll downpatch when I eventually do a All Skills run

[versed elbow]

How's it going guys?

[forest latch]

Fine so far

[strong vessel]

Yeah, when I played on current patch I saw the dasch slasch lever skip and I was like nope

Can't do that

But I can now!

[strong vessel]

Pretty good!

[forest latch]

Lemme just.. grab the link

https://youtu.be/44fEoYnxeIM

[high hawk]

Is there a time limit on any% submissions I got a pretty bad time but still want to submit it and get it verified even though its like 2 hours long but at least it means so much time save

[twin swallow]

there is no time limit

[forest latch]

Yeah there's no time limit iirc

[strong vessel]

Nice!

[forest latch]

Massive improvement from my first run

[last inlet]

but also the mods probably dont really want to verify a several hour run

for any% especially

[strong vessel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reCu12LsKP8

This is mine

[forest latch]

Isn't there a 6 hour long speedrun on the CP leaderboards?

[strong vessel]

It's not verified yet, but it probably will be soon :)

[forest latch]

Oh wait, the 6 hour run got yeeted

[strong vessel]

There's a nearly seven hour long run on the downpatch leaderboard

[jagged vault]

as long as a run is single segment it is allowed

[strong vessel]

And a five hour one

[forest latch]

OH YEAH

I was looking at the wrong one, whoops

stares

[strong vessel]

Welp

Rip

I'm hoping to get sub-40 soon

I think I can, since I haven't tried a run with nail 0 and Queen's Gardens yet

Just been practicing them

[forest latch]

A goal for me is.. most likely sub 1 hour

[strong vessel]

I was so happy when I got sub-hour

You can do it too, I'm sure

[forest latch]

Breaking boundaries

I mean, hell, I got through my WK roadblock

[last inlet]

i dont actually know what my sob is, pretty sure it's broken since recently it was displaying a time higher than my pb

[strong vessel]

My timer just broke and I lost all of my splits

[last inlet]

and i dont think thats how a sob works

[strong vessel]

So, no comparison for me lol

[last inlet]

rip

[forest latch]

I was gonna check if Zote died, but then I remembered that I killed VK on my speedrun file-

[verbal junco]

ok got back to fog canyon

[strong vessel]

Nice

Have fun suffering at Uumuu lol

[last inlet]

(make sure to safety bench in archives)

[forest latch]

Jokes on you I did Uumuu first try on my first run

Fear me.

[hearty adder]

i am indeed afraid

[forest latch]

I-

Are you actually-

[stable rain]

You are Alfredo

[forest latch]

HNGKDJBNRGF-

[verbal junco]

uumuu is bs and rng

[high hawk]

Well at least it probably wasn't you doing a entire run and then realizing you didn't hit record

Am sad now

Ah I was pb'ing and didn't hit record

While thinking I was recording

But that's also a oof

[steel kettle]

The video guide for all skills can be ran on current patch correct?

[twin swallow]

some parts are significantly different on current patch

specifically cp does not get early dash slash since lever skipping to shade soul is not possible

https://pastebin.com/DV4SyNbp has the console / cp all skills route

[steel kettle]

I'm really not liking jumping straight to any% as I do most games. Watcher Knights is as bad as Abyass Watchers when I learned DS3, apparently bosses with watcher in the name are my kryptonite (also thank you for the Paste Bin, I'll load it and look shortly! Ive been going off the any% route and just watching one of the current patch PB video's for refrence)

[twin swallow]

any% watchers are definitely a large hurdle for most new runners in this game

all skills has some dark rooms and a tricky set of skips to get ismas tear, but boss fights are generally much easier

just to be clear, pisces' video tutorial is very good and a lot of it will still be useful for current patch

so definitely still check it out if you need detailed explanations, but yeah, watching some submitted CP runs will give you an idea of the different route and tech used

[carmine yew]

I will eventually make a video going over differences probably

[quiet saddle]

Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this, but I have a question: Is there a resource with a livesplit file in it, with commonly used splits for any% nmg?

[haughty fossil]

(I might eventually get around to making a CP all skills guide once I fix all the issues w/ the any% one 🥴)

[quiet saddle]

I've been going through some of the guides on speedrun.com. I'm hopeful that I can pick up HK speedrunning :)

[haughty fossil]

some people may be willing to post their splits, but it's probably faster to just look at a run and copy their splits down

not by name ofc

the comsob sheet pinned in #any-percent-nmg also contains the splits most people use for any% NMG, though note that this expects you to do qga, so if you decide not to do it then you should remove the queens gardens split

[quiet saddle]

I'm planning to go for Any% NMG

1221, cuz that's what the guides recommended

I also made a debug build

[main bear]

I hit revert back to unmodded, but it still says modding api in the corner of Hk?

[twin swallow]

verify integrity of game files through steam

[thorn jasper]

and to avoid the need to switch back and forth, I copied the full install directory of the game elsewhere, added the steam_appid.txt as from the downpatching guide, and the pointed the modinstaller at that

[steel kettle]

thanks for the help @twin swallow my goal was to have my first run done before Monday since we are recovering from COVID but it's been hard the game defiantly helped the recovering and quarantine. Hopefully I can get my first one submitted by next Monday Community has been great so far. Wish I had listened to Emray and started learning earlier lol

[grizzled maple]

If you need any extra guidance too I have a lot of video and image resources

Idk if youre in my discord but I help people one on one there

[twin swallow]

best of luck! and yeah the community rocks

[main bear]

i get way too tilted

it's just frusturating resetting

[stiff delta]

if its not fun then take a break

you'll probably play worse if you are pissed off

[grizzled maple]

Probably one of the best things you can do for yourself is not taking it too seriously. Like just do runs and finish and don't care about the time.

If you reset too much when you're new you'll just burn out and worse, never get late game practice.

[main bear]

alright

[stuck raptor]

<@&283547423706447872>

[dim swallow]

rekt

[low bramble]

gotem

[stuck raptor]

?

[stiff delta]

probably a shitposter or nsfw or something cringe

i think it would be really funny if I pinged the mods for no reason

it wouldnt be funny at all actually

[twin swallow]

yeah a video got deleted you're good

[knotty vigil]

Look at these sweats

[stiff delta]

I know they’re all so cute

[meager current]

True

[serene coral]

You need to pause before you can inventory drop on a new save if that’s what you’re talking about

meant to ask: is this why the any% cp nmg doesn't inv drop near the start?

bc there's no pause yet and pausing just to do it wouldn't save time?

[verbal stag]

you can't open inv midair in cp

1221 pauses then inv drops

[normal aspen]

cp cant even pause ion the dop

[serene coral]

oh? but there are inv drops in the cp run i watched

[meager current]

sure it was cp

?

[verbal stag]

you can do them as you fall off a ledge

but not midair

[meager current]

^

[serene coral]

oh ok she just missed the inv drop on the way to false knight in the wr

was watching with the sound off so i got confused

but it doesn't look like she paused anywhere in the run before attempting this, so i guess it's not necessary

[verbal stag]

oh yeah 1221 pauses on the kings pass drop just to get early control

otherwise you cant do anything before you land

[serene coral]

gotcha

[whole rivet]

DDQ: why is it not recommended to keep quickcast on a bumper?

[digital jewel]

it's not a problem

but the common technique of nail -> fireball becomes a lot more comfortable for me when both are on face buttons

[whole rivet]

ok

[serene coral]

i actually found nail -> fireball easier with quick cast on L1, but then i switched it to Y while attempting to learn fireball skips

[steady lynx]

I just have it on R since I'm used to it

[snow dome]

I much preferred it on RB. Using two separate fingers for nail and fireball helped a lot

[steady lynx]

I tried moving it to the focus button and having focus on R but it didn't work for me

[mighty rain]

I set up my live split and auto split

[golden bobcat]

I've got 1 hour 40 minutes to beat THK. How hard will it be?

[digital jewel]

you don't need to spoiler anything here

what equipment do you have?

[golden bobcat]

Shade Soul, Nail1, 5 masks and DDark

[fair island]

Nice

[golden bobcat]

I'm following Fireb0rn's guide

[digital jewel]

should be relatively easy

[golden bobcat]

The bosses I think I've died to are WK and SSoul Soul warrior

Is he harder or easier than WK?

With my equipment

[fair island]

since you have ddark, if your feeling unsafe just use ddark

also you can gather a second mask if you want

[golden bobcat]

How?

[fair island]

which masks did you collect?

[golden bobcat]

None

[fair island]

yea I'm dumb

[hearty adder]

Basically the 4ms route

[fair island]

yea

[random oak]

Okay friends. I have a working 1.2.2.1 that isn't stuttering and is actually playing smooth finally

[fair island]

What did you change that made it work?

[random oak]

I did a couple of things to fix it. I'm not sure what it was to fix the issue but I think we are finally on the right track.

First off I went ahead and downloaded DS4Windows like everyone recommended. Previously i had just plugged in my DS4 and used is a usb gamepad. I didn't realize that would be an issue.

I also don't have bluetooth on my motherboard. So I have been using a bluetooth usb dongle. But have a wireless headset with it's own wireless transmitter. I just removed the bluetooth dongle and then wired up my keyboard again.

Also I have had my suspicion about steam down patching causing some sort of issue so I went onto GOG and used their method of down patching. But booted up GOG first try and it's running so much smoother. I don't know if it's the combo but it seems to be running at 350-400. I went ahead and capped it at 300 per fireborn's tutorial. Not sure if that's needed or not??? But right now it's smooth. Might uncap just to see?

[serene coral]

question: i still see this in the title screen after disabling all mods

[digital jewel]

verify your game files

[serene coral]

is that something i have to change, like by having a separate install?

[digital jewel]

yes

[serene coral]

gotcha

[random oak]

I can't get the debug to work right now. But i'm just happy that the game is running smoothly. I can mess with the debug later today.

i'm sure I just didn't extract the zip properly.

[fair island]

300 seems good. I don't feel it's needed to test it by going higher and maybe spoiling something

[random oak]

Do i need to do something different to get debug to work on GoG?

[fair island]

What have you done until now?

[random oak]

I just downloaded the modding api and replaced the hollow_knight_data and threw the debug.dll in there.

But it's not popping up

[fair island]

Does modding API appear on the top left of the main menu screen?

[random oak]

no

[normal aspen]

yes on title screen

[fair island]

Did you download the version for 1221?

[random oak]

yeah i did. i was being dumb apparently

i think i was watching an outdated video with outdated links.

I just grabbed a different download and it seems to be working now

[limpid ruin]

Ah, yea the videos are outdated now I think. Steam being meanies with their updates meant we needed to update stuff

[random oak]

alright friends. We are in business

everything is good and running smoothly FINALLY

THANK YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!! You guys have been such a big help

I guess I actually have to finish learning this game and actually run it now after this nightmare of two days

[hearty adder]

Yooooo I'm very glad you were finally able to solve it

[dreamy bough]

you might want to keep your fps capped - some things are fps dependant and it's good to be used to like, how fast vengeflies or baldurs move for you

[random oak]

Sweet. Is 300 a good number for that?

[limpid ruin]

I chose 250, but 300 is used a lot yea

[normal aspen]

Multiples of 50 are good coz it fits physics framerate, 250 and 300 are the most common coz it plays nice with enemies and feels good

[limpid ruin]

Yea. I started at 288 first, but stuff was too fast for smooth brain, so went down to 200. That was really comfy while learning, now I'm at 250, might knock it up to 300 if I find i want faster vengeflies

[dreamy bough]

120 bc my computer is a potato

[true palm]

i got so fed up with resetting on low% that i forced a run where i died to wk over and over again just to have a time to go off. Its a 1:06:49 trying to decide on whether or not to submit it

oh well im going to submit it, 10 minute loss to wk and like 3 minutes in beast den

[rotund jackal]

congrats, any finished low% run is truly impressive

[true palm]

honestly, i think my queens station skip was illegal

theres no way it should have worked

anyways thank you all for the support, its been quite a journey

[rugged perch]

Submit runs! It’s fun to look back and see how far you’re come since your first run.

[limpid ruin]

yo low% at almost sub hour as first finished run is huge

[true palm]

i think its a shame the category doesnt get more attention, some of its pretty great, like running through dark deepnest while getting angrily chased by spiders

anyways funny story, originally got into low% because i thought somehow in my backwards youthful head that it would be easier to play the game without dash in terms of optimized movement, category can't be hard if you just hold left or right?

[dreamy bough]

xD

[thorn jasper]

Sounds like a good reason to do 4 Mask Shards

[true palm]

well, after watching homothetys run, i realized how cool some of the skips were

[stable flint]

Congrats on the run!

[true palm]

thanks!

[stable flint]

But nail only mawleck

[true palm]

better than no shamans wk

[stable flint]

Very true

You have to be god gamer to even finish one run in my eyes

[thorn jasper]

Nail0 mawlek is way more fun than vs WK in my mind

[dreamy bough]

watching homothety's run of any% steel soul made me go for the category, too. Love to see the good movement

[stable flint]

That’s why I run all skills

[thorn jasper]

Same

[stable flint]

Just melt them with d dark ez

[true palm]

watcher knights is super satisfying with shamans and dash, you get in this groove

but on low%, you can get trolled by the first one, if he keeps on bouncing and rolling, it can be tough to kill him in time

[narrow pecan]

Any% watcher's though

super fun and ez

[stable flint]

Lol disagree with both words there

[dreamy bough]

it is super fun tho

low% wk i heard you can't get to fireball above the "roll line" to airstall and hit at the same time? sounds rough if so

[true palm]

you can

but its super hard

not worth going for

[stable flint]

Does any % get shaman

[dreamy bough]

yes tsira

[stable flint]

Kk

[dreamy bough]

at the same time as all skills even x)

[narrow pecan]

just get good and they're easy :P

[dreamy bough]

never easy imo if you try to do them fast

[stable flint]

I’m p sure the routes r the same toll grounds then

[narrow pecan]

honestly though, I really enjoy running both all skills and any%

[stable flint]

I still only run AS. I don’t want to mix up routes

And I’m still noob

[narrow pecan]

it's not that the routes mix, but more blend because the intros are the same so you don't have to relearn them

[dreamy bough]

minor differences on geo, but yeah basicly

[true palm]

ye im still trying to decide what to run after low%, i dont wanna run the category constantly, its pretty tilting to run, especially when ur still bad at it

[stable flint]

Oh right, vk vs mk

[dreamy bough]

run any% steel soul! Similar but different :)

[digital jewel]

true ending is also difficult but in a different direction

good compliment to low%

[narrow pecan]

Xero!

[true palm]

i might run true ending, thanks for the idea

i was thinking about 106 but the category seems pretty demanding

[narrow pecan]

true ending's fun yeah, I'd say talk to Paum about it, he's really good at it lol

[digital jewel]

106 is gonna be really really long your first time

it's a great category though

[narrow pecan]

that's true

[limpid ruin]

honestly, if 106% is something you want to do and it makes you want to learn and run: go for it

[elder gale]

Any% wk is fine if you just accept the fact youre never gonna learn it perfectly and you need to practice it before every single run session

Like legit I practice it before every any% stream lol

But yeah you can beat it and enjoy the fight with enough practice. Good challenge imo

[limpid ruin]

yesterday i learnt doing any%/TE style watcher knights is hard when you have dive for the pogo fb pogo fb rotations 🥴

[granite field]

weirdly enough I had a fewer death counter when I go agressive on WK than safely during my practice

I guess "the faster you kill the safier you are" is applied

[elder gale]

Im so scared already going back to any% after tournament. I mean its gonna be like 3months break from that category(because tournament is long as heck) so I propably need to relearn some strats from scratch

[limpid ruin]

the faster you go the more you get into a flow and can just autopilot

the more you let yourself think the more you mess up

[jagged vault]

tipu a lot of your skills from other categories carry over a lot

[quiet saddle]

Anyone got a few good intro guides to any % nmg 1221 routes?

[jagged vault]

check out fireb0rn's tutorial series on YT

those are probably the best resources we've got

[quiet saddle]

Oh I’m watching a fire born video right now haha

That was also the guide I used to help setup my builds and split stuff

Really straightforward

[zinc cairn]

Oh my god mms timing is so tight

i wanted to check how that works but i can't do this D:

[rugged crow]

current patch mms?

[zinc cairn]

yes

[normal aspen]

Make sure you have vsync on

Coz it's frame perfect

So if u have like 600 fps ur fucked

[zinc cairn]

Oh i didn't have vsync on

[normal aspen]

Yeah that would do it

[zinc cairn]

Also is it better to kinda spam it or actually try to time it? like in middle of transition?

[fair island]

what is mms?

[golden bobcat]

I really enjoyed doing the 5 hour achievement. I don't feel like doing Any% or Steel soul. What do you think that I should do?

[thorn jasper]

All Skills

[zinc cairn]

Yes, all skills!

[thorn jasper]

main menu storage

[forest latch]

slaur you're making me want to do All Skills-

[normal aspen]

Personally I time it bluemoth

[low bramble]

you should, all skills is sick

[forest latch]

I'm not even familiar with the dark rooms

[low bramble]

dark rooms are eaaaasy

[normal aspen]

60th a sec is an alright window to hit

[forest latch]

WHAT IS WITH THE peepoArrive REACTIONS-

[thorn jasper]

I routed in lantern for my first runs, only losing a couple minutes

[low bramble]

we are arriving

[forest latch]

hfhdk-

I might do it later today

Not sure

I just need to practice a bit

And downpatch

[thorn jasper]

(on 1.2.2.1, where you need less money anyway, but I think it could work with the current cp route because there's like three hallownest seals you can sell)

[fair island]

what does main menu storage do?

[forest latch]

Nah, more interested in downpatching for All Skills

Keeping any% on CP

Also might be able to go for 4MS soon

[thorn jasper]

interact with multiple menus at once, tricking the game into overlapping actions. recent fun example is sending a godhome file into the opening cutscene -> king's pass

[rugged crow]

its differnet depending on the patch, on cp it allows us to start the game with full equipment.

[dreamy bough]

break the game

[forest latch]

slaur-

[thorn jasper]

shad-

[forest latch]

Am I being converted-

[fair island]

that's a major glitch so its not in any%

[forest latch]

I'm going to take that as a yes

[rugged crow]

I now realize why my mms timing was so off the other day, I probably had vsync off

[forest latch]

Even then, I'm gonna have to practice a few skips in my modded install before downpatching to begin the run

Watcher Knights won't even be an issue because we all know what happens

[thorn jasper]

if you're anything like me, it's a simple three-step process:

• get tricked into underestimating the fight
• play the fight poorly, despite have descending dark
• be sad

[forest latch]

slaur-

How do you explain me beating them on the second attempt on my second any% CP run-

[low bramble]

god gamer

[forest latch]

LMAO

[thorn jasper]

I am bad at combat ¯_(ツ)_/¯

wait no, my therapy should kick in

[forest latch]

[thorn jasper]

I have work to do to improve my combat

Positive reframing

[forest latch]

Yeee

I always fail the double spike

[thorn jasper]

you have work to do to improve the double spike

[normal aspen]

Pip you should do elderbug ag

[forest latch]

Which means that I have to boot up my modded install to practice!

At this point, if I downpatch, I'll have three installs of Hollow Knight

[rugged crow]

you know that screenshot I posted 2 weeks ago? it wont stop doing that

[golden bobcat]

Is there any category that is similar to Fireb0rn's 5 hour achievement guide?

[forest latch]

Although, I'm not sure if my computer can even handle 1.2.2.1

[zinc cairn]

oh i did it

[thorn jasper]

5 hour guide gets ddark. all skills gets ddark

[forest latch]

All Skills seems fun-
slaur spare me

[zinc cairn]

but i couldn't get the slash midair to destroy the game even more lol

i mean the king's pass

[thorn jasper]

no spare, only skills

[rugged crow]

should learn myla% ag

[forest latch]

JGKDJKNFG-

[zinc cairn]

That's what i am aiming for to be honest

[golden bobcat]

Isn't all skills really long?

[zinc cairn]

Eternal rest for myla in a minute

[forest latch]

I mean

Current record for NMG (1.2.2.1) is 49 minutes

[zinc cairn]

It should be ~20 mins longer than regular any%

i think

[golden bobcat]

How hard is it to learn?

[forest latch]

stares at dark deepnest

[rugged crow]

not that hard, spike tunnel skip is probably what's going to give you the most trouble.

[zinc cairn]

Not too hard, the hardest things to learn was the skip in broken elevator room, hornet 2 and dark rooms

[forest latch]

LMAO I'm gonna need to practice that

[zinc cairn]

for me ofc

[fair island]

dark deepnest wasnt hard it took me 40 mins

[rugged crow]

full equip dark deepnest takes like, 2 seconds to learn

[forest latch]

"hornet 2"
You wanna hard

BET*

MY GOD

[mighty rain]

I have a question regarding like, how to record both the timer and the run at the same time without blocking the video on obs, since like, what i do now blocks part of the video

[fair island]

make the background transparent so only text blocks the screen which isn't that bad

[carmine yew]

You can use color key to make your livesplit semi transparent in OBS

[forest latch]

Ye

I mean, my setup is this

[hearty adder]

You can also just make the game smaller on the OBS canvas, a lot of people do that too

[mighty rain]

Thats what i meant

I Just dont know how cuz im a bit dumb

[limpid ruin]

i think the easiest way to have it explained is actually googling it and finding a youtube tutorial on color key with livesplit or obs

not dumb; inexperienced

[forest latch]

[mighty rain]

Both

[forest latch]

I've been thinking about booting up a stream, but like
I'm not sure if my laptop can handle it jgkfnjgf-

[mighty rain]

Anyways thanks for the help

[hearty adder]

At what resolution are you able to record?

[forest latch]

As in quality? Or screen resolution?

[fair island]

quality

[forest latch]

Oh

Uhhh

720p60

For my speedruns at most

[hearty adder]

Then you probably can handle streams

[forest latch]

With small frame drops here and there

[zinc cairn]

Do the slash in king's pass have to be perfect too?

in mms

[digital jewel]

it's not perfect

[forest latch]

mm

I dunno man

I'm really tempted

[digital jewel]

there's a fairly big window to do the slash there

[limpid ruin]

if you have frame drops go down to 30fps

also bitrate cant be too high either

[fair island]

is there a way to calulate the bitrate you need?

[hearty adder]

Should we talk about stream setup here or at #sr-offtopic ?

[fair island]

or just trial and error

[forest latch]

Nah like, the frame drops aren't too frequent

[limpid ruin]

honestly its kinda just trial and error

[granite field]

there is some sites that have "recommended" bitrates for each resolution ranges

could be a good base

[limpid ruin]

i think a decent starting point if you have no clue is 2500 bitrate and 720p 30 fps output

then adjust accordingly

[thorn jasper]

some non-speedrunner-role folks are interested, so here is better

[limpid ruin]

if it drops a ton, plunge the bitrate down to 1000-1500

resolution to 640p maybe

[forest latch]

hmm

[granite field]

for recording I setup 1080p60 6000-8000 kbps but I'm on 800 kbps for 360-480p

(because my computer can handle so why not)

[forest latch]

I mean..

[limpid ruin]

yea, when just recording and easy upload to youtube available thats optimal

[granite field]

I heard some people even record with 15 000 kbps and more

[forest latch]

Does decreasing the video bitrate do anything to your computer at all? Or does it throw away the frame drops?
I'm not too familiar with recording stuff yet

[granite field]

but that's... Not necessary for HK I think (for 15k kbps)

[zinc cairn]

nah i dunno, the slash isn't working and i did it in a same place i saw in video

[limpid ruin]

decreasing it means you give each frame less data to work with, so lower work load to handle each frame

halving your bitrate: half the resources used

[digital jewel]

can you record a video bluemoth?

[limpid ruin]

also recording with 15 000 kbps is honestly kinda low when you consider most things are actually recorded at 80 000 kbps 🥴

its completely serviceable tho, like you can see things in twitch streams @ 1500 kbps

[zinc cairn]

i can

video of just the moment before and after slashing?

[short spire]

15k bitrate is definitely overkill for hk yeah lol

[granite field]

https://stream.twitch.tv/encoding/ It might give an Idea. Though I think those bitrates writed down are too much for this game

[limpid ruin]

the entire sequence, so can see if you make the mistake before or after and waht

[granite field]

I think Twitch is limited on 6000 kbps anyway?

[forest latch]

I could test the stream and see how it goes?? I dunno

[limpid ruin]

to add on now lastly: recording should be done with variable bitrate, the only pro for constant bitrate is that it makes it easier to livestream bc all computers involved know exactly how much and what kind of data is expected

[thorn jasper]

I stream at 720p60fps @ 4500kbps. Here's what the twitch inspector considers a fully-stable stream. Purple is bit rate (left axis), grey is fps (right axis)

I tried looking into streaming at 30fps but locally recording at 60fps, but that did not seem possible

[granite field]

yeah I wanted to do the same slaurent

so I ended with 48 fps for both, seems fine

[digital jewel]

it is possible but only with 2 obs instances

probably not worth doing

[forest latch]

Sounds like an absolute trainwreck for your computer ngl

[granite field]

I think If you're able to make 2 instances working well, you're either able to make streaming and recording at 60 fps on 1 instance anyway (with decent internet)

[crude raptor]

?rank Speedrun Racer

[sick raven]

@crude raptor, you joined Speedrun Racer.

[grizzled maple]

I didnt know it was possible to open it twice tbh. My pc won't let me

[forest latch]

Yeah my internet is decent enough

I'm pretty sure you have to left click + right click at the same time in order to open another instance I think

[grizzled maple]

If say I accidentally click it twice it says obs is already running and my options are the close the first instance or cancel the 2nd

[grizzled maple]

Launch anyway force closes the 1st for me

[forest latch]

Huh-

[grizzled maple]

I've accidentally done it before lol and my camera and mic wouldn't connect so I had to reload it anyway

[forest latch]

Lul

[zinc cairn]

I'm sure i'm doing something wrong, but even tho no matter what i do and when i use the slash i don't even get that "slowfall" thing that i saw in some runs

[stable flint]

are you on cp or 1221

[zinc cairn]

cp

[stable flint]

slow fall is impossible as far as i know

[digital jewel]

oh you need to be on the bench bluemoth

[stable flint]

its only on 1221 that u can open menu to get it

[zinc cairn]

wait seriously?

[digital jewel]

yea

[zinc cairn]

How are people quitting the new godhome file just when they can (just when they spawn in godhome) and are still skipping king's pass?

[raven holly]

I think ins0mnia put an explanation of how to do it somewhere, but I can't remember

[digital jewel]

can you show an example of people not using the bench in godhome but still skipping kp

[mighty rain]

Sorry to bother everyone again, i cant get live split to be recorded by obs

[zinc cairn]

i saw this in myla% ag, but they were going into walls from the top, not when they were already falling

i tried that too, but i couldn't

[thorn jasper]

#resources message

-> https://www.twitch.tv/videos/812633331

[digital jewel]

alright in myla% they're doing the great slash right at the top

and then using wings and dash to make it on top of the level

what you're trying to do only works if you have noclip, which requires using the bench

[zinc cairn]

Oh i see, so the thing in myla% just requires a precise slash right when i spawn in top of king's pass and then wings and dash, but the slash in midair requires using the bench, right?

[digital jewel]

yes

[zinc cairn]

Okay, thanks. Now i understand

[ionic cargo]

are there any good tips to beat horent 2 all skills?

[dull lion]

The fight is mostly about reacting to her attacks since it varies so wildly. It’s mostly just a lot of practice and confidence dodging her. Try not to shade soul in a way that she can parry hit you as well

[small kernel]

also, using descending dark gives you more damage than shade soul when she throws her needle, and the invincibility you gain from it makes it safe to use on most attacks

[limpid ruin]

Basically the only tip I can give is to practice more hours than you even want

If you shade soul her at a bit of range she'll most of the time get double hit

Keeping your nail going for soul is huge

Always being ready to jump or dash

Ddark is your friend as well

[small kernel]

a slow, but safer method of soul collection is dreamnailing hornet every time she gets staggered (if you're not as confident about your spell aim/soul collection)

[ionic cargo]

ok thanks

[digital jewel]

?whois verulean

any bot

[serene coral]

a stupid question: if i spam VS to get rid of my soul after killing THK, can i just hold Focus and wait from there?

still not exactly sure when you can start the succ

ah, i see what you mean

[knotty vigil]

hey dudes i wanna start speedrunning this game but i dont know where to start?

[grizzled maple]

[knotty vigil]

oh oops

sorry

[grizzled maple]

also might wanna be mindful of gendered language like dudes. we have a pretty mixed community and some girls might be offended

[knotty vigil]

yea no sorry i say that to everyone even to girls (didnt know it was offensive)

yea sorry i will next time

[errant goblet]

how preventable is 1221 lag

[digital jewel]

depends on the cause

if your pc is bad, probably nothing you can do

[errant goblet]

i heard there was a tool for consistent loads but I assume that doesn't affect lag

[digital jewel]

it doesn't, no

[grizzled maple]

theres a lot of misconceptions about that. the load normalizer extends loads to make races more interesting since the real time with match the other persons

[errant goblet]

ah it's for that gotcha

[meager current]

Technically it does make loads consistent but it makes them consistently longer

[errant goblet]

was wondering why it wasn't in pins 🥴

for this channel that is

[stray kestrel]

its in one of the races channels #races-announcements message

its not needed for runs maybe unless you're doing glitches

[errant goblet]

ima stick with comfy popular nmg for now

[stray kestrel]

if you arent in the tourney, you shouldnt need the load extender for nmg

[errant goblet]

also i havent seen a run since vysuals true ending gdq gate storage is still non major right?

[meager current]

And if your computer can't handle 1221 lag, probably better to swap to running cp but idk

[carmine yew]

Yes

[stray kestrel]

gate storage is allowed

[errant goblet]

thank you thank you

[carmine yew]

Wall cling storage from gates is not major

[grizzled maple]

the only thing that might have changed since then is dying with inventory open.

we found out you could save quit early from it so it was banned as major

[stray kestrel]

also highly recommend watching recent runs of whatever category you're planning on running

[errant goblet]

ah ok i thought you meant the dreamnail timer freeze with that

ye i plan on it

also just sayin the guide for any% nmg is really well done and super in depth

[true palm]

current patch gangs pretty chill, since if you have lag normally you're going to really notice THK spikes

[errant goblet]

but muh inventory drops

[true palm]

you can do them on cp if ur good

[meager current]

Inv drops aren't that important anyways

[errant goblet]

fair but i wanna go fast

[meager current]

Don't we all

[true palm]

Current Patch runners have so many good things going for them though, like easy aspid kill

[digital jewel]

if you want to show your appreciation you could become a member on fireb0rn's youtube channel

[meager current]

Easy aspid kill, watcher knights 'fix'

[errant goblet]

i just did like 10 minutes ago

im bein called out bruh

[true palm]

also about wk, i've noticed that when one does the bugged bounce where it stops early, it doesnt consistently do it for me, but I've heard if it does a bugged bounce it supposeds to always do it till it dies, is that a computer performance thing?

[meager current]

I'm sad that dreamnail drops have no use

[meager current]

Hmm, I've never heard of that happening before, so I'm not sure

[errant goblet]

they can if you're really scared of galien

and need some lifeblood

[meager current]

[errant goblet]

maybe im interpreting that glitch wrong dont mind me

[meager current]

Dreamnail drop is just a worse cp inv drop

That uses dreamnail instead

[errant goblet]

sounds gross

[meager current]

It is

[errant goblet]

oh lord how much does mantis skip save that looks like a pain to get used to

[meager current]

Mantis pogo?

[errant goblet]

yea

[meager current]

Like 20 seconds

[errant goblet]

🥴

[grizzled maple]

its super super easy and 100% consistent

[true palm]

any% mantis pogo is pretty consistent

meanwhile low% mantis pogo

[meager current]

Unless you are me

[grizzled maple]

its not even just any% its used in every category and every patch

i got you hold on

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10aXiOYQu-SLQlsyb5TTBfqFT8fNmBjyPJH7gJC8u_bk

its in this document

[meager current]

I can't kill the mantis in the room fast enough and the mantises get in the wrong position

So I have to do some jank damage tank stuff

[grizzled maple]

i explain step by step what to do. the most common mistakes to make are not dashing high enough left on the first dash, and not taking a baby step before the fireball

[errant goblet]

oh so it's actually a fairly precise manip

interesting

i thought i was just rng at first

[grizzled maple]

yep. every single move you make matters

[haughty fossil]

real talk since em's here, is doubledash possible at 60fps? I've never been able to get it vsync on

[grizzled maple]

it should be yeah. i do it on switch

[haughty fossil]

cool I'm just bad then 😎

[grizzled maple]

i'll fail it on pc though if i forget to unmenu because i'm not used to vsync lag lol

vsync 60 really is worse than console 60

[haughty fossil]

maybe I should just un input lag myself, but the timeloss

[meager current]

i always have vsync on even outside of expogo

[errant goblet]

oh is 1 cycle uumuu shade soul only

[meager current]

🙂

[true palm]

btw, while everyones here, i'm a little burnt out on low%, and xero recommended i check out true ending. is it harder to execute than low%? so far looks like the skips are easier, but i want an opinion from someone who runs true ending since all i ever hear about interesting categories is "not for beginners"

[haughty fossil]

don't do this

[grizzled maple]

TE is one of the hardest execution categories in hk speedrunning. honestly all skills is the go to recommendation

[leaden python]

skips are easier than in low%, but some boss fights are pretty challenging, although nothing as bad as low% WK. Also white palace

and it's longer

[meager current]

lag = less frames to mess up everything on

[grizzled maple]

the TE radiance fight is one of the single hardest fights in hk runs, unless you take the timeloss to get wraiths and shriek

[leaden python]

honestly, just watch a run of TE and see if it's something that you might be interested in running

[true palm]

im not worried about white palace, but hearing that low% wk's is the worst made my heart warm up after years of pain, anyways it seems interesting but its hard to gauge difficulty, especially since low% looks pretty easy

[frigid rapids]

tbh there are no categories which are entirely not for beginners

[grizzled maple]

if you've done low% it's probably fine but there are some difficult parts of TE

[frigid rapids]

it really depends on what gets you going in a speedrun and what do you want to achieve on the short, mid, and long term

[grizzled maple]

it's a lot to learn. i usually try to steer people away from it because it's a special kind of category

like it can be really rewarding but also really frustrating, but you ran low% lol

[true palm]

so what ur telling me is its just as tilting to run

[grizzled maple]

yes

[haughty fossil]

te in particular is infamous for being frustrating to reset because elder hu exists 🥴

[grizzled maple]

the only categories harder than TE are low% and godhome ending

[frigid rapids]

AS is the easiest category to finish a run in as a beginner

[leaden python]

tbh there is no reason to ever reset to elder hu unless you die to him

[frigid rapids]

it's hard to finish an Any% NMG as a beginner but it's overall less to learn

[true palm]

i've already done low%, it was a bad run, but i just want something to run when im too tilted to practice low%

[frigid rapids]

TE is both a lot to take in and hard to finish a run in

[limpid ruin]

vali, i reset to 0.1s timelosses in kp, dont lie like this about Hu 😤

[grizzled maple]

any% is just unfun tho because you do so little

[true palm]

any% just seems a little lackluster

[grizzled maple]

its like 1/3 no movement, and 2/3 hard stuff

[frigid rapids]

they did low%, so i'm pretty sure that's not really a deterring factor for them

[limpid ruin]

any% is comfy as a chill run bc of how little you do, makes it easy to pick up for a quick run or three

[true palm]

but low% has cool skips

[limpid ruin]

all skills is comfy bc movement and movement awesome

[leaden python]

I think you do more in low% than you do in any%

[limpid ruin]

TE has WP

you could look into meme cats like zote%

or NKG%

[mild elbow]

Mayla %

[limpid ruin]

there's also All Charm Notches and Elegy% if you want some skips, if I remember correctly

All Whispering Roots

[low bramble]

myla% is a great run

[grizzled maple]

thats a fun one for minimal movement

AWR btw heck myla killers

[frigid rapids]

anyway point is, low% is probably the hardest NMG main category to finish a run in, but it's a lot less to take in than TE and it's almost as hard to finish a run as a beginner. So it just depends on how much you're willing to practice and not do runs ig

[true palm]

after quickly watching a te radiant fight, i'm determined to learn true ending next

category looks dope

[old sphinx]

Low% TE is the hardest category

[frigid rapids]

jokes on you, i specified "main category"

[true palm]

isnt low% godhome ending harder though?

low% true ending is longer