#speedrunning | Hollow Knight | Page 101

true hound Feb 18, 2021, 3:41 PM

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okay

true palm Feb 18, 2021, 3:41 PM

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and then relaunch the installer in galaxy

true hound Feb 18, 2021, 3:41 PM

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but I want to make a different patch, will that still work?

true palm Feb 18, 2021, 3:41 PM

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yah

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you'll have two different games

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its the same thing we do for steam essentially, we have two different hollow knight executables and folders,

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you'll end up installing another copy of the game

true hound Feb 18, 2021, 3:44 PM

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okay so now I have this, I launch the installation executable in the copy?

true palm Feb 18, 2021, 3:44 PM

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yah

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and use that to downpatch like you did with 1.2.2.1

true hound Feb 18, 2021, 3:44 PM

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hmm where is that

true palm Feb 18, 2021, 3:44 PM

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i dont think the installation is in there, its in GOG galaxy right?

true hound Feb 18, 2021, 3:44 PM

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true hound Feb 18, 2021, 3:46 PM

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true palm i dont think the installation is in there, its in GOG galaxy right?

what do you mean?

true palm Feb 18, 2021, 3:46 PM

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Open GOG galaxy

true hound Feb 18, 2021, 3:47 PM

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yes

true palm Feb 18, 2021, 3:47 PM

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go to Hollow Knight

true hound Feb 18, 2021, 3:47 PM

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yes

true palm Feb 18, 2021, 3:47 PM

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configure

true hound Feb 18, 2021, 3:47 PM

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yes

true palm Feb 18, 2021, 3:47 PM

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and downpatch

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and now it will downpatch your default installation

dreamy bough Feb 18, 2021, 3:53 PM

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many "big rooms" were cut in half in current patch, likely because of performance issues. The room with watcher knights in it is such a room.

true palm Feb 18, 2021, 3:54 PM

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the tram pass room was also cut

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in particular, that room can spawn a lot of enemies, and really start struggling

true hound Feb 18, 2021, 4:19 PM

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how do you do a superslide?

median gull Feb 18, 2021, 4:20 PM

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on the frame your nail kills your enemy, open your menu*

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it is a lot easier on debug mode

true hound Feb 18, 2021, 4:20 PM

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how do you get that timing? seems really hard

median gull Feb 18, 2021, 4:20 PM

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It is really hard

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most nmms runners use rivatuner to force their fps at 120 max

ionic sparrow Feb 18, 2021, 4:21 PM

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its a pause

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not inventory

median gull Feb 18, 2021, 4:21 PM

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oh

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mb

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also

true hound Feb 18, 2021, 4:21 PM

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how do you know how many frames you are getting?

median gull Feb 18, 2021, 4:22 PM

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make sure you close your menu before going through a transition

median gull Feb 18, 2021, 4:22 PM

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true hound how do you know how many frames you are getting?

There is an option on steam that shows your fps

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can't show rn cause in class mb (and i don't know by heart)

whole rivet Feb 18, 2021, 4:40 PM

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dreamy bough many "big rooms" were cut in half in current patch, likely because of performanc...

i mean the video

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 4:46 PM

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because memes. and it was the fastest possible route at the time

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but took forever b/c random essence drops, so nobody wanted to do it

vapid oar Feb 18, 2021, 5:01 PM

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damn I wish I had hollow knight for pc

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too bad I'm poor

hearty adder Feb 18, 2021, 5:04 PM

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you can also run on console, there's separate console leaderboards for some categories

agile blaze Feb 18, 2021, 5:05 PM

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im playing the game normally first but im planning on speedrunning later. anything i should avoid so it doesnt become a crutch later on?

maiden bane Feb 18, 2021, 5:06 PM

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I wouldn't sweat too much, but the one thing I'd suggest is actually using spells

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A lot of people don't and they're quite good (and pretty essential to being fast in any run that gets them)

agile blaze Feb 18, 2021, 5:07 PM

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ah, alr

maiden bane Feb 18, 2021, 5:07 PM

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So getting used to that could be helpful

true hound Feb 18, 2021, 5:07 PM

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also maybe try not to use pogo strats all of the time?

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those can easily become a crutch

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 5:07 PM

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using quick cast

agile blaze Feb 18, 2021, 5:07 PM

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pogo strats?

maiden bane Feb 18, 2021, 5:07 PM

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Oh yeah I totally forgot to say that

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Quick cast spells specifically

true hound Feb 18, 2021, 5:08 PM

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agile blaze pogo strats?

repeatedly pogoing an enemy that usually doesn't have any upward attacks. you can't get hit but it's slow, and it can easily become a crutch.

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 5:08 PM

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using compass charm is a crutch

agile blaze Feb 18, 2021, 5:08 PM

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stuck raptor using compass charm is a crutch

oh thats useful

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i dont gather charms in general

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so i dont really have any other charms that compass is blocking atm

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but that is something ill take off asap

hearty adder Feb 18, 2021, 5:11 PM

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once you've gone around the map a couple of times you don't really need to check the map at all, so getting familiarized with the areas will help you if you ever get lost during runs

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luckily all the rooms in the game are usually very easy to distiguish from oneanother

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 5:11 PM

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and the maps are drawn well enough in game that you don't need the compass. it's a wasted charm notch, imo

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but also, use charms

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they're very good

hearty adder Feb 18, 2021, 5:12 PM

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use shaman stone gorbbrain

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 5:12 PM

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^

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especially that one

agile blaze Feb 18, 2021, 5:12 PM

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im not that far in atm

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stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 5:13 PM

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I'd stay out of this discord until you've finished, tbh

agile blaze Feb 18, 2021, 5:13 PM

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and i should probably sell the things

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because lore? im fine with spoilers

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 5:13 PM

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you only get 1 first playthru

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don't want to have the discovery of things ruined

hearty adder Feb 18, 2021, 5:14 PM

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agile blaze and i should probably sell the things

i'd say sell them only if you need to buy something expensive, it really sucks to get a lot of geo only to lose it forever thkhands

hearty adder Feb 18, 2021, 5:14 PM

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stuck raptor you only get 1 first playthru

also this, discovering the game on your own with minimal outside help is very fun

agile blaze Feb 18, 2021, 5:14 PM

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thats fair i lost probably 1000 yesterday so

agile blaze Feb 18, 2021, 5:15 PM

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hearty adder also this, discovering the game on your own with minimal outside help is very fu...

i hate wandering aimlessly tho

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 5:15 PM

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there were many times in my playthru where I got lost and didn't know wtf to do next. but after figuring it out, made the thrill of discovery that much more potent

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the whole point of the genre is to get lost and then find your way again

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and have the playthru be your own b/c there's no linear path

hearty adder Feb 18, 2021, 5:16 PM

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~~unless your path is too non-linear, in which case tries to patch it out~~

surreal cairn Feb 18, 2021, 5:17 PM

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if you hate wandering aimlessly then maybe metroidvanias aren't for you

hearty adder Feb 18, 2021, 5:17 PM

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That's kinda discouraging

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The game lets you focus on different things

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if you like knowing what you're doing exactly then I wouldn't say the game isn't for you or that you're enjoying it less

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If anything just don't spoil yourself too much on what can happen next

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 5:18 PM

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people play games in different ways. I'd say you'd be missing out on some of the greatest joys of the genre though

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but to each their own

rugged knot Feb 18, 2021, 5:27 PM

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Hey guys got my first hollow knight speedrun done. even tho i chocked haaaaaard at HK

thorn jasper Feb 18, 2021, 5:28 PM

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Free time save for next run! Gg

dreamy bough Feb 18, 2021, 5:28 PM

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gg!

forest latch Feb 18, 2021, 5:28 PM

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gg!

dusk portal Feb 18, 2021, 5:29 PM

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gg!

rugged knot Feb 18, 2021, 5:29 PM

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yeah and i got lost in crystal peak once and forgot lantern xD Well I think i can get a sub 2. IN CASE i manage to kill WKs in maximum 3 tries (Dont ask me HOW ON EARTH i killed my most hated boss so fast)

forest latch Feb 18, 2021, 5:29 PM

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GRRR BARK BARK

Someone yoinked my place

rugged knot Feb 18, 2021, 5:30 PM

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oof good luck getting it back! That's a challenge only a Fool would decline!

forest latch Feb 18, 2021, 5:30 PM

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Jokes on you

rugged knot Feb 18, 2021, 5:30 PM

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NeonRainbowFast

forest latch Feb 18, 2021, 5:30 PM

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I plan to do another speedrun as soon as this run gets verified

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I choked hard on WK

fair island Feb 18, 2021, 5:30 PM

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why are you waiting for it to get verified?

rugged knot Feb 18, 2021, 5:31 PM

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TBH i was so afraid of WK that i didnt even realise that there is the HK in the end xD

forest latch Feb 18, 2021, 5:31 PM

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fair island why are you waiting for it to get verified?

Because I can-

fair island Feb 18, 2021, 5:31 PM

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true

pastel mortar Feb 18, 2021, 5:36 PM

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in any% nmg 1221, what are the geo requirements/recommendations for each split?

thorn jasper Feb 18, 2021, 5:42 PM

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Kings station*

warm spade Feb 18, 2021, 5:56 PM

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forest latch Jokes on you

that is the most relatable thing i’ve ever seen

forest latch Feb 18, 2021, 5:56 PM

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PFF-

glossy eagle Feb 18, 2021, 6:48 PM

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I'm trying to setup my game for speedrunning with a steam install. I successfully downpatched to 1.2.2.1 and installed debug mod. However, I can only run it if it's in Steam\SteamApps\common\Hollow Knight. If there isn't stuff in that folder, steam bugs out and won't launch. If my 1.2.2.1 files are in that folder, it'll start, but then steam will auto update to current patch. The only way I can launch 1.2.2.1 is if I disconnect my internet before launching the game. Has anyone else encountered this before/does anyone have a fix? I can play the game fine, it's just kind of annoying to unplug an Ethernet cord every time I want to launch

knotty vigil Feb 18, 2021, 6:48 PM

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How do I get speedrun role

haughty fossil Feb 18, 2021, 6:49 PM

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glossy eagle I'm trying to setup my game for speedrunning with a steam install. I successfull...

did you follow the full downpatch guide

tardy sable Feb 18, 2021, 6:49 PM

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knotty vigil How do I get speedrun role

submit run, wait until it is verified, post it here

haughty fossil Feb 18, 2021, 6:49 PM

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specifically adding steam_appid.txt

glossy eagle Feb 18, 2021, 6:49 PM

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Yes I did that

knotty vigil Feb 18, 2021, 6:49 PM

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How if I'm on console

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Nintendo

haughty fossil Feb 18, 2021, 6:49 PM

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submit a console run

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https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight#Console_Runs

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haughty fossil Feb 18, 2021, 6:50 PM

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glossy eagle Yes I did that

can you screenshot your downpatch install folder?

digital jewel Feb 18, 2021, 6:50 PM

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@glossy eagle why is there nothing in the /Hollow Knight folder

glossy eagle Feb 18, 2021, 6:51 PM

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haughty fossil can you screenshot your downpatch install folder?

I'm not home rn but I can later today

glossy eagle Feb 18, 2021, 6:51 PM

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digital jewel <@!386202724502339584> why is there nothing in the /Hollow Knight folder

I learned this because I tried to rename it Hollow Knight 1432 and have a separate Hollow Knight 1221 folder

digital jewel Feb 18, 2021, 6:52 PM

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ok why rename it? just leave your current patch install as Hollow Knight and have 1221 in a different folder

glossy eagle Feb 18, 2021, 6:54 PM

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Whenever I run hollow_knight.exe, no matter where it's located on my computer, it seems to be using the files in Steam\SteamApps\common\Hollow Knight. if I move hollow_knight.exe to my desktop, it still uses the steam folder. If I run the Hollow_knight.exe in my 1221 folder, it still uses the steam folder

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If I add the hollow_knight.exe in my 1221 folder as a new game in steam, it still seems to only use the files in my steam folder

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 6:55 PM

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you need to follow the portion of the guide for multiple installed patches then

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and it won't run the steam folder

digital jewel Feb 18, 2021, 6:55 PM

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"Whenever I run hollow_knight.exe, no matter where it's located on my computer, it seems to be using the files in Steam\SteamApps\common\Hollow Knight" this happens if you don't have the steam_appid.txt set up correctly

glossy eagle Feb 18, 2021, 6:56 PM

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Hmm I must have messed that up then, I'll try again

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Thanks for the help

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Ah I think I know what I did, I deleted the .txt because I misread the instructions

lucid elm Feb 18, 2021, 7:49 PM

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yay sub 1:30

limpid dust Feb 18, 2021, 7:59 PM

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is it ok to have livesplit hiding bottom right of the screen during runs?

grizzled maple Feb 18, 2021, 8:02 PM

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as long as the loadless timer is visible and working you can do whatever you want with it

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you don't even technically need splits

limpid dust Feb 18, 2021, 8:05 PM

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I mean like do I need to keep the whole game visible ?

fair island Feb 18, 2021, 8:05 PM

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I wanted to do the hollow point any% modded run. Am I allowed to use other mods such as QoL and custom knight during the run?

haughty fossil Feb 18, 2021, 8:05 PM

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https://www.speedrun.com/hkmods#Hollow_Point rules can be found here

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you may use any cosmetic mods, but none that affect gameplay, unless we decide to allow it in future? (qol is one of them)

grizzled maple Feb 18, 2021, 8:06 PM

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I'm pretty sure the rules state details like that. Look under game rules on src to double check but the main things that need to be uncovered are the HUD elements and any other important displays. Also obviously don't cover a significant portion of the game feed. things like a cam, splits, or alerts are usually fine

limpid dust Feb 18, 2021, 8:07 PM

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okay thanks

whole rivet Feb 18, 2021, 8:08 PM

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DDQ: how do you accurately time console runs?

fair island Feb 18, 2021, 8:08 PM

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haughty fossil you may use any cosmetic mods, but none that affect gameplay, unless we decide t...

Ok thanks

haughty fossil Feb 18, 2021, 8:08 PM

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whole rivet DDQ: how do you accurately time console runs?

timing rules can be found on speedrun.com, but usually they will be retimed according to the video evidence to get an accurate time

whole rivet Feb 18, 2021, 8:09 PM

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ty

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just wondering

grizzled maple Feb 18, 2021, 8:09 PM

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Console is timed rta starting on file select or the "difficulty" selection if it's unlocked, and ending on the first black frame before the ending cutscene

last inlet Feb 18, 2021, 8:21 PM

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ok so i lost my downpatch files so i did it again but i'm getting the error "Unable to load mono library from "D:/Hollow Knight 1221/hollow_knight_Data/Mono/mono.dll" (error = 126)." when i try to load it

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is this a known thing or is there no good fix for it

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hold on i think im just being dumb

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ok new issue i moved mono.dll to the folder it said it was loading from and now i have the error "mono: function mono_set_ignore_version_and_key_when_finding_assemblies_already_loaded not found"

regal viper Feb 18, 2021, 9:07 PM

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Does falling off the first platform un dream mail save time in console?

haughty fossil Feb 18, 2021, 9:07 PM

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no

haughty fossil Feb 18, 2021, 9:07 PM

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last inlet ok new issue i moved mono.dll to the folder it said it was loading from and now ...

are you on mac, and did you download the mac version

regal viper Feb 18, 2021, 9:08 PM

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haughty fossil no

Okay, thanks

strong vessel Feb 18, 2021, 9:21 PM

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I underestimated how much harder WK are with nail 0

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Ruined my run :(

meager current Feb 18, 2021, 9:21 PM

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we all have at some point

twin swallow Feb 18, 2021, 9:29 PM

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it's completely normal.

last inlet Feb 18, 2021, 9:33 PM

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haughty fossil are you on mac, and did you download the mac version

on pc

haughty fossil Feb 18, 2021, 9:34 PM

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then i don't know, maybe try the depotdownloader method

last inlet Feb 18, 2021, 9:34 PM

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alright

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i'll be able to go on my pc again in like 30mins so i'll try it then

hollow mesa Feb 18, 2021, 9:35 PM

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ggs all around for the as tourney today grublove

upper galleon Feb 18, 2021, 9:35 PM

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Mmmm path of pain is fun to speed run mmmmm yes

twin swallow Feb 18, 2021, 9:35 PM

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yes

upper galleon Feb 18, 2021, 9:35 PM

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Yes

haughty fossil Feb 18, 2021, 9:35 PM

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correct

warm spade Feb 18, 2021, 9:35 PM

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man that was a good race

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ggs to both runners

upper galleon Feb 18, 2021, 9:38 PM

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So how fast does a path of pain usually last

haughty fossil Feb 18, 2021, 9:38 PM

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https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/Path_of_Pain

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true hound Feb 18, 2021, 9:39 PM

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is there a guide for hitless p5?

twin swallow Feb 18, 2021, 9:40 PM

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don't get hit

upper galleon Feb 18, 2021, 9:40 PM

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Yes

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Essentially

true hound Feb 18, 2021, 9:40 PM

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thank you ever so much

upper galleon Feb 18, 2021, 9:40 PM

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Np

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I don’t know lmao

haughty fossil Feb 18, 2021, 9:41 PM

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(there is no guide, it's a difficult enough feat that very few people have done it)

upper galleon Feb 18, 2021, 9:41 PM

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Ye I tried once and stopped

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It was not fun

true hound Feb 18, 2021, 9:43 PM

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thank you jamie, I'd love to run p5 hitless, it's been my goal ever since I first beat the game

upper galleon Feb 18, 2021, 9:43 PM

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It’s a real hard one

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It’s mentally trying

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Cause 45 bosses

last inlet Feb 18, 2021, 9:44 PM

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isnt it 42

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bc some of them arent in p5

upper galleon Feb 18, 2021, 9:44 PM

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Uh fuck I’m dumb it might be

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I kinda stopped doing it after a long number of hours of attempts at hitless

true hound Feb 18, 2021, 9:45 PM

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totally, I'm trying to radiant all bosses before trying. got all of em except absrad

last inlet Feb 18, 2021, 9:45 PM

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i did radabsrad before p5 lmao

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imo it's easier overall

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at least in terms of time investment

upper galleon Feb 18, 2021, 9:46 PM

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Wdym

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P5 hitless is a lot harder

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Home slice

last inlet Feb 18, 2021, 9:46 PM

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obviously there's nothing as hard as beating radabsrad in p5 it's just longer

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no i mean normal p5

true hound Feb 18, 2021, 9:46 PM

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last inlet imo it's easier overall

easier than rad markoth or oblobbles

last inlet Feb 18, 2021, 9:47 PM

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radabsrad easier than regular p5

true hound Feb 18, 2021, 9:47 PM

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no way

upper galleon Feb 18, 2021, 9:47 PM

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Idk not really for me

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Because p5 is so long

true hound Feb 18, 2021, 9:48 PM

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p5 took me 3 troes, ive died 153 times on radabsd already

upper galleon Feb 18, 2021, 9:48 PM

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Oof

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All I can say about that one

last inlet Feb 18, 2021, 9:48 PM

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ok but 1. most people take more than 3 tries and 2. radabsrad attempts take a lot less time

upper galleon Feb 18, 2021, 9:48 PM

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Exactly

last inlet Feb 18, 2021, 9:49 PM

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i'm not saying you personally dont find it harder

upper galleon Feb 18, 2021, 9:49 PM

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It took me less time to be radabsrad than radzote

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So uh

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I’m bad lmao

last inlet Feb 18, 2021, 9:50 PM

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i'm just saying that overall i think radabsrad is easier

upper galleon Feb 18, 2021, 9:50 PM

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Oh me too

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You know what’s the worst

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Rad vengfly

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 9:55 PM

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Theoretically it’s possible to beat the game without lumafly right?

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 9:55 PM

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yes

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not even theoretically

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categories do it

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 9:55 PM

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Will it eventually become a strat?

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In NMG any%

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 9:55 PM

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already is

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no

carmine yew Feb 18, 2021, 9:56 PM

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It’s slower in any%

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 9:56 PM

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Why

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WHAT?!

last inlet Feb 18, 2021, 9:56 PM

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not in any% bc you need either lantern or dive for cpeaks

carmine yew Feb 18, 2021, 9:56 PM

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Lantern required to open peaks

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 9:56 PM

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because to skip it means you'd need to get dive

last inlet Feb 18, 2021, 9:56 PM

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and lantern is faster

grizzled maple Feb 18, 2021, 9:56 PM

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Only All Skills skips it because they need dive anyway

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 9:56 PM

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which is slow AF

dreamy bough Feb 18, 2021, 9:56 PM

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well, you could get ismas

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:)

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 9:56 PM

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Where is it required for peaks?

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 9:56 PM

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to enter

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the toll

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 9:56 PM

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It is?

upper galleon Feb 18, 2021, 9:56 PM

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Ye

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 9:56 PM

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I didn’t know that

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 9:56 PM

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try it

grizzled maple Feb 18, 2021, 9:56 PM

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And the one 1xx% categories get it pretty late and only get it at all because No Eyes is a % locked by lantern

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you cant interact with anything in the dark

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 9:56 PM

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^

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 9:57 PM

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I see

upper galleon Feb 18, 2021, 9:57 PM

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Entonces you have to get it for a lot of runs

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 9:57 PM

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Wait

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What about the other entrance to peaks

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 9:57 PM

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dive

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 9:57 PM

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Near myla

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Oh right

grizzled maple Feb 18, 2021, 9:57 PM

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there's dive or lantern

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 9:57 PM

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Yeah

grizzled maple Feb 18, 2021, 9:57 PM

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money is just faster in most cases

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 9:57 PM

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relics are fast money

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ezpz

grizzled maple Feb 18, 2021, 9:58 PM

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one day ill post a message here that doesnt have a typo

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 9:58 PM

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lol

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 9:58 PM

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Is there a strategy that hasn’t been implemented in most runs yet?

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 9:58 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/aragorn-but-notthis-day-lotr-gif-14120761

Tenor

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 9:58 PM

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Like that’s really impossible

forest latch Feb 18, 2021, 9:58 PM

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OK now my run got verified

pspspspsp
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/me9jo12z

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stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 9:58 PM

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don't think so

dreamy bough Feb 18, 2021, 9:58 PM

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(there is a very cursed spike tunnel skip to ismas that theoretically is better for any% iirc? but it's so cursed that it's not in the standard route)

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 9:58 PM

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not that we know of anyway

dreamy bough Feb 18, 2021, 9:58 PM

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insomnia was talking about it i think

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 9:58 PM

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it was explored 2 years ago

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as a theoretical option

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but it's probably still slower

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 9:59 PM

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What is iirc?

dreamy bough Feb 18, 2021, 9:59 PM

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if i recall correctly

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 9:59 PM

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Oh lol

grizzled maple Feb 18, 2021, 9:59 PM

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monstah and i both individually practiced fury pantheons for 112 and came to the same conclusion of no

short spire Feb 18, 2021, 9:59 PM

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i think nail0 2cycle killed any chance of the mag ismas skip route being faster

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 9:59 PM

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What’s best community gold again?

grizzled maple Feb 18, 2021, 10:00 PM

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pins in the relevant chats

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 10:00 PM

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Oh thanks

dreamy bough Feb 18, 2021, 10:00 PM

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oh, because cdash under the platform? that makes sense, didn't think about that ax

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 10:00 PM

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Is nail upgrade that slow?

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Oh I guess you don’t enter from the left side

upper galleon Feb 18, 2021, 10:01 PM

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Nail go 🥶

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 10:01 PM

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Yeah spell builds anyway

thorn jasper Feb 18, 2021, 10:01 PM

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nail go cold_face ax2uWide3

upper galleon Feb 18, 2021, 10:01 PM

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Yes

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 10:01 PM

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nail is used mostly for soul collection

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in any% anyways

dreamy bough Feb 18, 2021, 10:01 PM

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nails upgrade are slow, cost money which you have to get, and yeah, you're already doing a lot of damage via spells

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 10:01 PM

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I should submit a run just because

upper galleon Feb 18, 2021, 10:01 PM

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Basically I Nuke everything with shamans

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 10:01 PM

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it's 25% of the spell dmg

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just not worth upgrading

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 10:02 PM

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I’m doing a race against my friend this weekend, maybe I’ll submit it

upper galleon Feb 18, 2021, 10:02 PM

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If it breaths it can be bonked

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And the optimal bonker

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Is shaman stone

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That’s my speed run guide

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Win quickly

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 10:02 PM

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especially when it comes to walls

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they so hungry

upper galleon Feb 18, 2021, 10:02 PM

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Yes

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Essentially

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 10:04 PM

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Is it hard to do shade skip on current patch

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Debating whether to do it this weekend

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 10:04 PM

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no

thorn jasper Feb 18, 2021, 10:05 PM

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it's the same. just don't be like me and (a) die too far to the left, (b) have the shade spawn in the gruz mother arena, and (c) conclude "oh it must be patched" without thinking about it again for a while feelspkman

stuck raptor Feb 18, 2021, 10:06 PM

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like anything, becomes easier with practice

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 10:06 PM

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Ok

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Wait

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What about pogaxe

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Or is that a norm these days

thorn jasper Feb 18, 2021, 10:16 PM

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runners going for optimized times will go for pogaxe

forest latch Feb 18, 2021, 10:18 PM

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Shade skip I personally kinda struggle with, but you do you

last inlet Feb 18, 2021, 10:18 PM

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haughty fossil then i don't know, maybe try the depotdownloader method

update from the future that worked

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for some reason some of the files were missing when i used the other method

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no idea why that happens

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can someone remind me where to put the files for 1221 debug

grizzled maple Feb 18, 2021, 10:26 PM

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C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\hollow_knight_Data\Managed

worthy sluice Feb 18, 2021, 10:26 PM

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thorn jasper runners going for optimized times will go for pogaxe

I want to do pog axe however i have more that i need to improve before trying to get really good at pogaxe

last inlet Feb 18, 2021, 10:26 PM

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that's where i put them, is it just the assembly and debug .dlls?

thorn jasper Feb 18, 2021, 10:27 PM

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grizzled maple C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\hollow_knight_Data\M...

that looks like the vanillla install path, which is not where 1221 is

last inlet Feb 18, 2021, 10:27 PM

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yeah i put them in the managed folder of my 1221 install

haughty fossil Feb 18, 2021, 10:27 PM

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<1221 install path>\hollow_knight_data\managed for assembly-csharp, the dlls go in ...\managed\mods

last inlet Feb 18, 2021, 10:27 PM

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ohhh ok

grizzled maple Feb 18, 2021, 10:28 PM

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is the new downpatch method a different path???

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i use the same one, just renaming the root hollow knight folder

thorn jasper Feb 18, 2021, 10:28 PM

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grizzled maple is the new downpatch method a different path???

I thought so? That's how I did it

haughty fossil Feb 18, 2021, 10:28 PM

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why, just have multiple installs and launch them from steam

grizzled maple Feb 18, 2021, 10:28 PM

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because launching from steam is elderC

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besides i usually need to go in the files to toggle debug anyway so it's convenient

thorn jasper Feb 18, 2021, 10:29 PM

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haughty fossil why, just have multiple installs and launch them from steam

sidepeepoHappy

grizzled maple Feb 18, 2021, 10:29 PM

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save backup being all my practice files

short spire Feb 18, 2021, 10:29 PM

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renaming hk folder is the one true way

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screw the haters

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they're just zoomers trying to take over our true and tested methods

grizzled maple Feb 18, 2021, 10:30 PM

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back in my day we needed 4 different collector file copies to practice scream skip efficiently emrayBoomer

last inlet Feb 18, 2021, 10:31 PM

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i still don't have debug mod installed? does no white text @ top left mean the api isn't installed properly

short spire Feb 18, 2021, 10:31 PM

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grizzled maple back in my day we needed 4 different collector file copies to practice scream sk...

i think i noclipped out of the arena and dreamgated in place to practice it lol

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(and develop it in the first place ax2uOkay )

last inlet Feb 18, 2021, 10:34 PM

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nvm it's working

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ty for the help everyone

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 10:45 PM

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Should I practice acid skip into fog canyon if I’ve never done it before

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Or is it ez

grand scroll Feb 18, 2021, 10:46 PM

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queen garden skip is not easy at all

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 10:46 PM

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Not queen garden

carmine yew Feb 18, 2021, 10:46 PM

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into fog canyon is pretty easy

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 10:46 PM

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The one into fog canyon

carmine yew Feb 18, 2021, 10:46 PM

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I think that's a common opinion

grand scroll Feb 18, 2021, 10:46 PM

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oh

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fogotten to fog

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 10:47 PM

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Can’t you just walk off and hold cdash basically

carmine yew Feb 18, 2021, 10:47 PM

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yeah

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qga is a good deal more difficult

grand scroll Feb 18, 2021, 10:47 PM

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pretty easy, just walk to the left and press super dash

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 10:47 PM

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Yeah I plan on doing deepnest route instead of qga

grand scroll Feb 18, 2021, 10:47 PM

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thru queen station?

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 10:48 PM

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I don’t know I forgot

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Emray has a video on it

grand scroll Feb 18, 2021, 10:48 PM

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if I remember correctly

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 10:48 PM

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Although it’s unlisted

grand scroll Feb 18, 2021, 10:48 PM

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fireborn has a video explaining the two routes

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also, practice fireball skip

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 10:49 PM

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Just gonna do mosquito

grand scroll Feb 18, 2021, 10:50 PM

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yep, thats pretty safe

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any% race?

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 10:55 PM

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Yeah

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So I plan on grabbing ddark

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Because lord knows I can’t do watcher knights

thorn jasper Feb 18, 2021, 10:56 PM

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👀 all skills gets ddark

elfin quartz Feb 18, 2021, 10:56 PM

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I;m having a lot of trouble with any% watcher knights but want to at least be able to get to the rest of the run while I git gud enough to do them normally, so I'm thinking of getting nail 1 on the way to them. Is the quickest extra 250 geo in the wanderers journal from the room above the mantis village + the double geo deposits near the mantis claw or is there a journal even less out of the way? Sorry if this is answered somewhere else

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 10:56 PM

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Speaking of watcher knights lmao

elfin quartz Feb 18, 2021, 10:56 PM

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lol

haughty fossil Feb 18, 2021, 10:56 PM

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the extra 50 would come from the geo rocks in the epogo room

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 10:57 PM

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thorn jasper 👀 all skills gets ddark

My first speedrun was 2hrs 22min lmao

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Died twice getting ddark

grand scroll Feb 18, 2021, 10:57 PM

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yeah, WK always kill my runs

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the nail upgrade is good but take times

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also any% is pretty tight with geo

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 11:00 PM

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Is there an easy way to practice wk

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Debug I suppose

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I’ve never set up debug

bronze anchor Feb 18, 2021, 11:03 PM

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I've gotten decent at WK just by fighting them til I win every time I lose a run to them, easy time to get the practice in and pretty good motivation to do it lol

elfin quartz Feb 18, 2021, 11:04 PM

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debug mod helps tremendously time-wise but it can tilt you if you're just turbo inting -> reloading

dull lion Feb 18, 2021, 11:07 PM

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If you’re even remotely serious about getting into hollow knight you should download debug. It makes practice significantly more time efficient

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 11:07 PM

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Ok

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Is there a guide somewhere for 1.4.3.2 debug

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Drugs LOL

grand scroll Feb 18, 2021, 11:08 PM

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in current patch

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you can use modinstaller

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 11:09 PM

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What’s that?

grand scroll Feb 18, 2021, 11:09 PM

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tldr; a liitle mod manager

haughty fossil Feb 18, 2021, 11:09 PM

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look in the pins of #archived-modding-help

grand scroll Feb 18, 2021, 11:10 PM

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that was exactly what i gonna say

main bear Feb 18, 2021, 11:10 PM

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Ok

hearty adder Feb 18, 2021, 11:10 PM

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everyone getting 🐌'd rn

strong vessel Feb 18, 2021, 11:30 PM

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main bear Yeah I plan on doing deepnest route instead of qga

Same, even though I can do qga

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I just hate Queen's Gardens

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More specifically, mantis arena

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And that other room with like five mantis petras

ebon gorge Feb 18, 2021, 11:37 PM

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i beat wk first try but i cant do acid skip so i lost all of that time save
and i still cant do it 😭 😭 😭 😭

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how do i do it?

last inlet Feb 18, 2021, 11:38 PM

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which acid skip?

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the one into fog canyon?

ebon gorge Feb 18, 2021, 11:40 PM

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yea

strong vessel Feb 18, 2021, 11:40 PM

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If you go onto the platform and hold left, you should hit the wall at the perfect spot, then crystal heart as soon as possible

last inlet Feb 18, 2021, 11:41 PM

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for that one, walk left off the platform above the acid

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just practise the timing on the c-dash in debug if you cant get it

ebon gorge Feb 18, 2021, 11:41 PM

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strong vessel If you go onto the platform and hold left, you should hit the wall at the perfec...

i have tried that for the past half an hour so i dont know what im doing wrong

ebon gorge Feb 18, 2021, 11:41 PM

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last inlet just practise the timing on the c-dash in debug if you cant get it

yeah alright

last inlet Feb 18, 2021, 11:42 PM

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you might be holding too early if you dont know what's happening

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you cant buffer a c-dash

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otherwise if you're stopping abruptly in the middle, you're too early

ebon gorge Feb 18, 2021, 11:43 PM

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yea maybe

last inlet Feb 18, 2021, 11:44 PM

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hold on let me get a clip to show you

ebon gorge Feb 18, 2021, 11:45 PM

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bet

last inlet Feb 18, 2021, 11:48 PM

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hold on i'll convert to mp4 real quick

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so the first attempt there is where you hold either too late or before you hit the wall

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the second attempt is what it should look like

ebon gorge Feb 18, 2021, 11:50 PM

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holy shit that looks hard haha

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deffo not what i was doing

last inlet Feb 18, 2021, 11:50 PM

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it's super consistent once you get used to it

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but yeah, like most tricks in the run, takes some practice

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you can also use the things that enemy spawns to gain soul for healing if you're about to die

bronze anchor Feb 19, 2021, 12:01 AM

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if you killed that enemy and really need backup soul you can dream nail the goams in the previous room too

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had to do that a bunch on my first couple runs 😅

hollow mesa Feb 19, 2021, 12:04 AM

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?saves

sick ravenBOT Feb 19, 2021, 12:04 AM

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Saves

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

snow dome Feb 19, 2021, 12:30 AM

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ebon gorge holy shit that looks hard haha

When you walk into the room, just hold left, and then once you cling to the wall, press C-Dash

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The only thing you're timing is your C-Dash. There's no jump, you don't have to press anything else other than left, and you don't let go of it until your C-Dash is charging.

deft flame Feb 19, 2021, 12:43 AM

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some awful splits but its a pb i guess 🥴

forest latch Feb 19, 2021, 12:59 AM

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That +10.8 on Mothwing-

deft flame Feb 19, 2021, 1:14 AM

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forest latch ***That +10.8 on Mothwing-***

thats what happens when you miss both fireball skips lmao

forest latch Feb 19, 2021, 1:15 AM

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deft flame thats what happens when you miss both fireball skips lmao

chuckles in squit skip

strong vessel Feb 19, 2021, 1:33 AM

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Idk why, but the third fireball skip is, like, three times harder than the other two for me

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Do you people have any tips?

haughty fossil Feb 19, 2021, 1:35 AM

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that's because it's harder feelspkman

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special emphasis on how late you need to jump, otherwise you'll bonk the platform. other than that, it's about the same distance for the turnaround

limpid ruin Feb 19, 2021, 1:36 AM

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its actually easier than the second fb skip once youre in the air

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main trick is jumping late enough

stiff delta Feb 19, 2021, 1:57 AM

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Never hit the 3rd fireball skip

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Never will B)

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Im just too cool to be optimal

normal aspen Feb 19, 2021, 1:57 AM

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Upside is that man pogo is consistent on cp

slow temple Feb 19, 2021, 4:24 AM

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is this the right place to ask for help downpatching?

grizzled maple Feb 19, 2021, 4:29 AM

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Yep. What do you need?

slow temple Feb 19, 2021, 4:29 AM

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okay well i feel stupid now but just realized I was on an old guide

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I think I'm good?

grizzled maple Feb 19, 2021, 4:30 AM

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Its alright. If you have any trouble let us know

slow temple Feb 19, 2021, 4:30 AM

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alright thanks!

surreal cairn Feb 19, 2021, 4:44 AM

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where can I find my dreamgate.dat file to change dream gates for debug mod

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I looked all over the folder I have for the debug version of hollow knight and couldnt find it

dull lion Feb 19, 2021, 4:55 AM

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Have you created any dream gate saves in debug yet? If not it won’t be there

high hawk Feb 19, 2021, 5:03 AM

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Are all/any console runs on current patch?

stiff delta Feb 19, 2021, 5:04 AM

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Yes they are, but they have their own leaderboard for a fair comparison

hallow orchid Feb 19, 2021, 5:04 AM

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all console runs are on current patch, yeah

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they are timed real time as well, instead of loadless

high hawk Feb 19, 2021, 5:05 AM

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I mean I'm going for low te just for the memes ik its not a category so uploading it to te

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So definitely getting dead last

hallow orchid Feb 19, 2021, 5:07 AM

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if you're planning on submitting the run to the actual boards, it would need to be a single segment video

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which, for Low TE, is uh... not advisable

high hawk Feb 19, 2021, 5:07 AM

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Ye ik

stiff delta Feb 19, 2021, 5:07 AM

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that is not a good idea

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do not do that

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Dont do that to yourself

high hawk Feb 19, 2021, 5:08 AM

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Im gonna sleep just keep timer running

stiff delta Feb 19, 2021, 5:08 AM

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you will be there for probably 3 days since its console and single segment too

hallow orchid Feb 19, 2021, 5:09 AM

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you can take sleep breaks with the timer still going, that would be fine

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I mean I still wouldn't advise it but if you're getting sleep and food then it's at least beyond the "I morally need to stop you" level lol

stray kestrel Feb 19, 2021, 5:10 AM

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coop run?

high hawk Feb 19, 2021, 5:10 AM

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Would that work?

stiff delta Feb 19, 2021, 5:11 AM

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the poor mod who has to sit through the whole thing lmao

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Co-op runs sound sick though im ngl

hallow orchid Feb 19, 2021, 5:12 AM

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stiff delta the poor mod who has to sit through the whole thing lmao

stiff delta Feb 19, 2021, 5:12 AM

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Lmaooooo

high hawk Feb 19, 2021, 5:12 AM

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~~if only I had friends who are as dumb as i~~

stiff delta Feb 19, 2021, 5:12 AM

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@ fireb0rn you up?

high hawk Feb 19, 2021, 5:15 AM

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I mean even if fireb0rn was up which would be dope how would a online coop game for that even work without breaking the rules

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(Or am I being big dumb and misunderstanding?)

stiff delta Feb 19, 2021, 5:16 AM

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To put it simply: it would break the rules

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but i think putting a 2-player run on the modded leaderboards would be cool, and maybe with shared pickups (but idk the logistics of that or how it would work)

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But imagine shade skip but you just pogo your teamate

stray kestrel Feb 19, 2021, 5:17 AM

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oh i meant coop as in you guys trade off birb farming

stiff delta Feb 19, 2021, 5:19 AM

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ah

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whacky

honest nexus Feb 19, 2021, 5:23 AM

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im the #1 speed runner if you count nobody else

stiff delta Feb 19, 2021, 5:24 AM

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elderC

pure vault Feb 19, 2021, 5:36 AM

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even if we count nobody else, I’m not sure you’re even top5

high hawk Feb 19, 2021, 6:13 AM

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Is it just me or does everyone have the feeling like they suck to much to do a speedrun and start talking yourself down even though you know the route and everything

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At least for the first ever run

stray kestrel Feb 19, 2021, 6:16 AM

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i just force myself to put a time down at the beginning whatever it may be

raven holly Feb 19, 2021, 6:17 AM

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Once you start the run going and get a time down it feels a lot better

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Don't need to push yourself to have a perfect run on the first try

high hawk Feb 19, 2021, 6:18 AM

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I would imagine that stress eventually lessens?

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Or is it always as stressful

raven holly Feb 19, 2021, 6:20 AM

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It lessens as long as you focus on just having fun

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You should be speedrunning to chill and have fun. It shouldn't be a chore that you think you need to do :3

high hawk Feb 19, 2021, 6:22 AM

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Thanks at least I can also look at it in the way that this category was never run correctly so I have a free world record so that'll hopefully also help

stray kestrel Feb 19, 2021, 6:23 AM

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if you screw up something for a few minutes in a thirty + hour run it will make basically no difference

high hawk Feb 19, 2021, 6:24 AM

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And who else is gonna really challenge that time anyway unless something is found

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Also I'm sorry to anyone who verifys that

stray kestrel Feb 19, 2021, 6:26 AM

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i still dont think there's gonna be many challengers if any

high hawk Feb 19, 2021, 6:27 AM

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So it won't ever be verified ;w;

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So dang I wouldn't get a speedrunner role for it would I

dull lion Feb 19, 2021, 6:34 AM

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It should be verified if it’s valid. Mayo was saying nobody would challenge to beat it

high hawk Feb 19, 2021, 6:35 AM

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Oh ok I see

dull lion Feb 19, 2021, 6:36 AM

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Assuming low % TE actually exists on a leaderboard somewhere. I couldn’t find it in a quick search

high hawk Feb 19, 2021, 6:37 AM

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I mean I was just gonna put it under a TE run

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Since nowhere does it stat that's against the rules to grind birbs

dull lion Feb 19, 2021, 6:38 AM

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Makes sense I guess

twin swallow Feb 19, 2021, 6:44 AM

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submitting a low% TE to the TE boards is such a gamer move honestly

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you farm birds and absorb their life force for sustainance

stiff delta Feb 19, 2021, 6:57 AM

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You do it for the essence

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Thats not how you spell that but im lazy

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 10:16 AM

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does any% NMG usually take a nail upgrade

normal aspen Feb 19, 2021, 10:17 AM

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no

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 10:18 AM

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ok thanks

midnight storm Feb 19, 2021, 10:19 AM

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But you can take one if you have trouble on WK or THK even if it's really slower

dreamy bough Feb 19, 2021, 10:19 AM

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does anyone know a consistent setup to double base vs on gorgeous husk? i've heard that jump before fireballing helps, but still having trouble being consistent at them

short spire Feb 19, 2021, 10:20 AM

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jumping does nothing but try to be as far away as possible as you do the nail hit

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the farther away you are the more likely it is you get a double

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sometimes GH just trolls you and does a really short jump though

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the max distance jump is like 2x longer than the min distance so there's quite a bit of rng to it

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 10:21 AM

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is 2 cycle uumuu possible damageless

dreamy bough Feb 19, 2021, 10:21 AM

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Alright, i'll try to apply that in practice - thanks a bunch :)

normal aspen Feb 19, 2021, 10:22 AM

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yes

gusty rampart Feb 19, 2021, 10:30 AM

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Now I'm curios from your profile, is mashing really a skill ins0mnia?

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Well that answers my curiosity

meager current Feb 19, 2021, 10:31 AM

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ax1uHappy

pastel mortar Feb 19, 2021, 11:53 AM

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i did it! grubhappy

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this method is so convoluted

fair island Feb 19, 2021, 11:54 AM

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Probs wanna download debug mod to help with practice

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 11:56 AM

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hard to do if your on console

pastel mortar Feb 19, 2021, 11:56 AM

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fair island Probs wanna download debug mod to help with practice

yeah gonna do that soon

steady lynx Feb 19, 2021, 12:10 PM

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For practicing on console you just do runs until they're fast

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That's what I did at least

ebon gorge Feb 19, 2021, 12:17 PM

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snow dome When you walk into the room, just hold left, and then once you cling to the wall...

i the odd thing is i never cling to the wall

autumn falcon Feb 19, 2021, 12:23 PM

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hi have i ever talked here

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honestly i am interested in speedrunning but i dont even know how to get started cuz it all seems so complicated thkhands

short spire Feb 19, 2021, 12:24 PM

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the pins have links to guides and stuff

granite field Feb 19, 2021, 12:26 PM

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hello Akivaq, do you have an interest for a specific category ?

autumn falcon Feb 19, 2021, 12:29 PM

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im mostly interested in colosseum speedrunning tbh

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but i dont even know how to do the basics, like idk... setting up the timer?

short spire Feb 19, 2021, 12:29 PM

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the pins still have links to guides and stuff

granite field Feb 19, 2021, 12:30 PM

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https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/cg9vl

speedrun.com

Speedrunning leaderboards, resources, forums, and more!

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Livesplit guide ^ if you're on pc

autumn falcon Feb 19, 2021, 12:30 PM

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alright thanks

granite field Feb 19, 2021, 12:30 PM

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and yeah check the pins, this is full of ressources

autumn falcon Feb 19, 2021, 12:31 PM

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its scary to go on an entirely new community despite still being in the same community lol, the main game and the speedrunning com is hugely different

granite field Feb 19, 2021, 12:32 PM

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I understand that tbh. I got the same feeling when I started

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don't worry though If you've any questions concerning skips and what you can/can't do on a patch for example, don't hesitate to ask

limpid ruin Feb 19, 2021, 12:35 PM

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autumn falcon its scary to go on an entirely new community despite still being in the same com...

Huge mood ax2uHappy

autumn falcon Feb 19, 2021, 12:36 PM

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zote

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what is the best category for begineers anyway

limpid ruin Feb 19, 2021, 12:36 PM

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There's a ton of helpful folks in here tho, so no need to hesitate if you can't figure something out

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In general, either any% or all skills, no major glitches

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But honestly just whatever would get you to run is the best for you

granite field Feb 19, 2021, 12:37 PM

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I won't say any% nmg but all skills seems more interesting for beginners

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 12:37 PM

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autumn falcon what is the best category for begineers anyway

any% NMG or all skills

granite field Feb 19, 2021, 12:37 PM

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and yeah it's as you want honestly 😄

autumn falcon Feb 19, 2021, 12:37 PM

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interesting

limpid ruin Feb 19, 2021, 12:38 PM

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Ax up above started with 106% and got quite decent at that

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Others do pantheon, colo, path of pain, or other ILs (individual levels)

granite field Feb 19, 2021, 12:38 PM

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There is some hard parts on any% nmg like WK but if you struggle too much, you can also go for safier strats like getting Shade soul or nail 1

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so that's fine

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And for Colo speedrun I think it can also be a great way to start though

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I'd say go for what's the most comfy/fun for you ax2uHappy

autumn falcon Feb 19, 2021, 12:42 PM

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alrighty ty

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 12:42 PM

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keep messing up on explosion skip

limpid ruin Feb 19, 2021, 12:43 PM

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Are you on current patch or downpatched, zenith?

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Also: mood

steady lynx Feb 19, 2021, 12:43 PM

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Imagine not messing up epogo

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 12:44 PM

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limpid ruin Are you on current patch or downpatched, zenith?

current patch

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on console

limpid ruin Feb 19, 2021, 12:44 PM

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I had a good streak, then I went 20 fails out of 2 feelspkman

steady lynx Feb 19, 2021, 12:44 PM

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I take you've watched emrays video

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 12:44 PM

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yes

limpid ruin Feb 19, 2021, 12:44 PM

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What console btw?

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 12:45 PM

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switch

steady lynx Feb 19, 2021, 12:46 PM

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When I was learning it I just took a finished save, put a dreamgate there and just tried for like five hours

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 12:46 PM

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ok, time to grind

steady lynx Feb 19, 2021, 12:46 PM

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Eventually it got consistent

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Or well

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70% consistent

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 12:47 PM

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great, i'll get past that and die to watcher knight zote

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I don't mind too much

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i'll learn eventually

serene coral Feb 19, 2021, 12:48 PM

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just installed debug

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now i have to learn epogo

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notlikequirrel

steady lynx Feb 19, 2021, 12:50 PM

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I kinda put it off for a long time when I started, thinking I'd learn it later

hearty adder Feb 19, 2021, 12:51 PM

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I never practice epogo because I'm like "eh, I'll get it during runs"

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And then I never do

granite field Feb 19, 2021, 12:52 PM

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I always go on the slower path because I know I'll never got it ax2uHappy

steady lynx Feb 19, 2021, 12:53 PM

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It only saves like 30 seconds tbf

granite field Feb 19, 2021, 12:53 PM

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Or at least I got it but after 5 tries so it end up being slower anyway

steady lynx Feb 19, 2021, 12:53 PM

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But the swag makes it even more worth

old sphinx Feb 19, 2021, 12:53 PM

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serene coral now i have to learn epogo

Have you heard of muripogo? ax1uHappy

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 12:53 PM

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no

serene coral Feb 19, 2021, 12:54 PM

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swag is what counts

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 12:55 PM

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also if i'm dropping speed elsewhere, its nice to be able to make it up elsewhere

steady lynx Feb 19, 2021, 12:55 PM

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Still not gonna reddit white defender in runs, that's slow

snow dome Feb 19, 2021, 1:02 PM

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ebon gorge i the odd thing is i never cling to the wall

Do you have Claw?

knotty vigil Feb 19, 2021, 1:20 PM

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The path of pain neccesary for a 100% run? I’m trying to do a speed run 100%

fair island Feb 19, 2021, 1:22 PM

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knotty vigil The path of pain neccesary for a 100% run? I’m trying to do a speed run 100%

Path of pain doesn't give a %

knotty vigil Feb 19, 2021, 1:22 PM

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Ok good

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I’m still in the planning phase for it

snow dome Feb 19, 2021, 1:22 PM

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You can find a 100% route in the resources of speedrun.com/hollowknight

knotty vigil Feb 19, 2021, 1:23 PM

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Thank you for that TamiJo I will look into that tommorow since it is 1 in the morning

granite field Feb 19, 2021, 1:26 PM

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but you can do PoP on the way for the swag if you want vibecollector

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 1:26 PM

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lmao

ebon gorge Feb 19, 2021, 1:39 PM

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snow dome Do you have Claw?

yea

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i know how to do it now i was not buffering cdash

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 1:41 PM

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you can't buffer cdash

ebon gorge Feb 19, 2021, 1:45 PM

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thats not the right word just where you spam it so you slowly slide down i just do that once and then do a full cdash and it works for me

snow dome Feb 19, 2021, 1:48 PM

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Yeah, double tapping C-Dash can help if you're pressing it too early.

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If you get the right time, your second one won't push you too low, if you go early the second one should be right.

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That's what I did on these for a while until I got the feel for it

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 2:03 PM

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with epogo, I get the pogo but not enough height from the explotion, could I have some guidance

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 2:04 PM

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which patch?

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 2:04 PM

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latest patch

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 2:04 PM

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have you watched emray's guide on it?

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 2:05 PM

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yes, still struggling tho

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I think I'm getting closer

serene coral Feb 19, 2021, 2:11 PM

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ok epogo is impossible

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 2:12 PM

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just got it!!! shroompog

serene coral Feb 19, 2021, 2:12 PM

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i'm trying at 144 fps on current patch, any tips

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 2:13 PM

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the vsync pogo doesn't work at 144

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 2:13 PM

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lower your fps

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 2:13 PM

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you'll need to set your refresh rate to 60hz if you want to do that one

serene coral Feb 19, 2021, 2:14 PM

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i'm trying to do the pantaloony one

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 2:15 PM

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ok that one is just hard

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gl

serene coral Feb 19, 2021, 2:15 PM

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notlikequirrel

hearty adder Feb 19, 2021, 2:16 PM

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tips for pantapogo:

good luck

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 2:17 PM

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what is pantapogo?

hearty adder Feb 19, 2021, 2:17 PM

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epogo for current patch that doesn't need vsync on

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in exchange it's very hard to pull off

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 2:18 PM

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yeah, i'll stick to basic damage tank epogo

hearty adder Feb 19, 2021, 2:19 PM

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The good thing about pantapogo is that it doesn't require a damage tank, plus it looks cool as fuck imo shadeshades

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 2:22 PM

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i might actually go the long way round

serene coral Feb 19, 2021, 2:22 PM

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ok i got pantapogo once

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it's a start

elder gale Feb 19, 2021, 2:27 PM

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does some like to take some practice race today

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i mean ill strart stream about hour later and im doing no resets for tournament prac but race would be cool also

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all skills of course btw

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 2:29 PM

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tipu you have a run on the leaderboards

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do you want speedrunner role?

carmine yew Feb 19, 2021, 2:29 PM

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That way you can ask people in the all skills channel

elder gale Feb 19, 2021, 2:30 PM

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okay then i take it lol

carmine yew Feb 19, 2021, 2:30 PM

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Blue name hype shroompog

forest latch Feb 19, 2021, 2:32 PM

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Meanwhile I still haven't gotten my speedrunner role, despite me posting my run earlier-

twin swallow Feb 19, 2021, 2:33 PM

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mods are people too, sometimes they miss things 😔

forest latch Feb 19, 2021, 2:33 PM

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hfgkdgf-

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I'll wait-

stable flint Feb 19, 2021, 2:33 PM

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Perhaps @ one of them?

forest latch Feb 19, 2021, 2:34 PM

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I get nervous when I do that tho-

elder gale Feb 19, 2021, 2:34 PM

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forest latch ***Meanwhile I still haven't gotten my speedrunner role, despite me posting my r...

when did you post your run tho

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 2:34 PM

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nobody was online then. maybe just ask again instead of making a passive aggressive comment about it

forest latch Feb 19, 2021, 2:34 PM

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Give me like one moment to find it rq

fair island Feb 19, 2021, 2:42 PM

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Can I have the role too
https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes/run/yv2od98m

speedrun.com

Speedrunning leaderboards, resources, forums, and more!

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Thanks sherma

mighty delta Feb 19, 2021, 2:52 PM

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can someone tell where the tournament will be (YouTube, twitch) and send me a link pls?

snow dome Feb 19, 2021, 2:53 PM

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http://twitch.tv/speedgaming

Twitch

SpeedGaming - Twitch

The SpeedGaming channel hosts a variety of speedrun events and tournaments. To host your event here, or to learn more about us, contact feasel@speedgaming.org ~~~~ http://twitch.tv/SpeedGaming ~~ http://SpeedGaming.org ~~ http://twitter.com/SpeedGamingShow ~~ http://youtube.com/SpeedGamingChannel

▶ Play video

stiff condor Feb 19, 2021, 2:53 PM

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Hello! I'm new to speedrunning and finished my first run yesterday, but I have a question. Do I start the timer at the beginning of the cutscenes or when i start falling?

snow dome Feb 19, 2021, 2:53 PM

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There's a race about to start

mighty delta Feb 19, 2021, 2:53 PM

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thanks

snow dome Feb 19, 2021, 2:53 PM

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stiff condor Hello! I'm new to speedrunning and finished my first run yesterday, but I have a...

What are you running on (Console/PC etc)

stiff condor Feb 19, 2021, 2:53 PM

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PC

snow dome Feb 19, 2021, 2:54 PM

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You will use Autosplitter and it will start automatically

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You can find guides for it over on speedrun.com/hollowknight

hearty adder Feb 19, 2021, 3:04 PM

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fair island Can I have the role too https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes/run/yv2od98m

Yes, more 4ms runners peepoArrive

forest latch Feb 19, 2021, 3:06 PM

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Alright, trying this again

Can I have the funni speedrunner role please- (Yes, I'm DataInfected)
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/me9jo12z

speedrun.com

Speedrunning leaderboards, resources, forums, and more!

fair island Feb 19, 2021, 3:06 PM

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hearty adder Yes, more 4ms runners peepoArrive

In a good way or bad way?

carmine yew Feb 19, 2021, 3:09 PM

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4 MS has been getting more popular lately so they meant that in a good way

forest latch Feb 19, 2021, 3:11 PM

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Yeah I might try that in the future

hearty adder Feb 19, 2021, 3:17 PM

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fair island In a good way or bad way?

good way, 4ms is very fun shroompog

granite field Feb 19, 2021, 3:17 PM

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always satisfying to kill mawlek fast with nail 0 only shroompog

hearty adder Feb 19, 2021, 3:19 PM

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Also, can I use something like Joy2Key to remap only one button on my controller? i wanna use LB for inventory, but the game only lets you remap inventory on keyboard and not on controller for some reason 🥴

dry sluice Feb 19, 2021, 3:21 PM

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Yeah that's fine, as long as you don't have lb mapped to something else in game as well

blazing aspen Feb 19, 2021, 3:24 PM

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Lol rhm it takes a while

verbal junco Feb 19, 2021, 3:29 PM

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what is 4 ms notlikequirrel

low bramble Feb 19, 2021, 3:30 PM

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4 mask shards, aka getting another mask of health as fast as you can

twin swallow Feb 19, 2021, 3:31 PM

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https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes#4_Mask_Shards

speedrun.com

Speedrunning leaderboards, resources, forums, and more!

true palm Feb 19, 2021, 3:32 PM

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Very sad, close to finishing a sub hour low% run when thk became so laggy it was unbearable. Pro tip, never use SLOBS lol

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 3:37 PM

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hey so

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i have 2 computers, how do i send my splits to my other computer? is there a specific file?

true palm Feb 19, 2021, 3:38 PM

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theres two files

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a layout file

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and the actual splits

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 3:38 PM

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ah, i see

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thanks!

true palm Feb 19, 2021, 3:38 PM

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idk where the default save location is

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 3:38 PM

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this right?

true palm Feb 19, 2021, 3:38 PM

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yah

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 3:38 PM

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awesome thanks

true palm Feb 19, 2021, 3:39 PM

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np

serene raptor Feb 19, 2021, 3:44 PM

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is it posseble to finnish hollow knight without mantis clauw

knotty vigil Feb 19, 2021, 3:46 PM

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serene raptor is it posseble to finnish hollow knight without mantis clauw

i mean... technically, but the other things you would need are only accesible via mantis claw, and you need it for certain things like climbing up above the watcher knights to get to lurien, etc.

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so ig no, really.

true hound Feb 19, 2021, 3:47 PM

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serene raptor is it posseble to finnish hollow knight without mantis clauw

no

knotty vigil Feb 19, 2021, 3:47 PM

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lmao ye

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what they said xD

serene raptor Feb 19, 2021, 3:47 PM

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knotty vigil lmao ye

and crystal heart

true hound Feb 19, 2021, 3:48 PM

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no you can get pfloat and skip cdash

knotty vigil Feb 19, 2021, 3:48 PM

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serene raptor and crystal heart

not technically.

serene raptor Feb 19, 2021, 3:48 PM

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true hound no you can get pfloat and skip cdash

aah

knotty vigil Feb 19, 2021, 3:49 PM

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technically, i believe you can complete almost the entirety of the game with just monarch wings, but the other most notable needed item for completion is mantix claw, id say dash could even be taken away but if you had claw youd be set for the most part to do the essentials

serene raptor Feb 19, 2021, 3:51 PM

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knotty vigil technically, i believe you can complete almost the entirety of the game with jus...

why don't players actualy go first for cdash and then dream nail

leaden python Feb 19, 2021, 3:51 PM

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You can't kill radiance without wings unfortunately

knotty vigil Feb 19, 2021, 3:51 PM

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serene raptor why don't players actualy go first for cdash and then dream nail

has to do with routing and how fast it is to go back for certain things

serene raptor Feb 19, 2021, 3:52 PM

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it's in the same route

maiden bane Feb 19, 2021, 3:52 PM

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leaden python You can't kill radiance without wings unfortunately

Is this true? I had a rando where I tried fighting Radiance without vertical by damage boosting off the void during the climb, and I got most of the way before dying. Is the final hit too high up?

knotty vigil Feb 19, 2021, 3:52 PM

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leaden python You can't kill radiance without wings unfortunately

i mean you could if you are very patient, have three extra soul vessels, carefree melody, claw, and damage boost correctly

maiden bane Feb 19, 2021, 3:52 PM

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Or did you not literally mean the Radiance fight

vague jolt Feb 19, 2021, 3:52 PM

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maiden bane Is this true? I had a rando where I tried fighting Radiance without vertical by ...

You need to beat white palace

maiden bane Feb 19, 2021, 3:52 PM

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Ah yes

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I misunderstood like I thought I might have

serene raptor Feb 19, 2021, 3:53 PM

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vague jolt You need to beat white palace

shade bounce

vague jolt Feb 19, 2021, 3:53 PM

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IDK if it's possible to beat radiance without vertical (in rando so you don't actually need vertical to reach the fight) but I'd love to see it if it is 👀

maiden bane Feb 19, 2021, 3:54 PM

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I would have kept trying but I was doing a multi

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I had Hiveblood which was huge

knotty vigil Feb 19, 2021, 3:54 PM

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serene raptor it's in the same route

it isnt really, crystal peak is not really next to resting grounds if you count viable transitions between them, and getting shamans plus going to resting grounds is faster then getting sams earlier on, then going to peak then going back

knotty vigil Feb 19, 2021, 3:54 PM

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vague jolt IDK if it's possible to beat radiance without vertical (in rando so you don't ac...

i can test it

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i think

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you need claw no matter what tho

serene raptor Feb 19, 2021, 3:55 PM

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knotty vigil it isnt really, crystal peak is not really next to resting grounds if you count ...

it is above go crystal and under crystal is resting

vague jolt Feb 19, 2021, 3:55 PM

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knotty vigil you need claw no matter what tho

Wingless radiance is definitely possible (it's hard though so you'll probably want more damage than you're used to)

hallow orchid Feb 19, 2021, 3:55 PM

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it is technically possible with hiveblood I'm pretty sure Glitchy

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wingless is for sure possible

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I think Colette did most of the radiance fight without any vertical but died at the end for needing one extra damage boost

knotty vigil Feb 19, 2021, 3:56 PM

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vague jolt Wingless radiance is definitely possible (it's hard though so you'll probably wa...

dont worry im dedicated to dumb chellenges thats why im trying hitless p5 rn lmao

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ill spend most of today doin it

hallow orchid Feb 19, 2021, 3:56 PM

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wingless radiance is not too bad honestly. It's no vertical radiance that is borderline impossible

thorn jasper Feb 19, 2021, 3:57 PM

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Vali might be thinking of white palace, which requires wings (?)

knotty vigil Feb 19, 2021, 3:57 PM

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thorn jasper Vali might be thinking of white palace, which requires wings (?)

you need wings for a single jump

hallow orchid Feb 19, 2021, 3:57 PM

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yeah radiance in vanilla requires wings

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and claw, and shade cloak...

knotty vigil Feb 19, 2021, 3:58 PM

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xd

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yeah

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in vanilla you need the vanilla items?

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zote

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fr tho

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i am gonna try no vertical radiance

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maybe extra health charm so unb. heart plus hiveblood plus deepfocus plus melody?

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i mean it wont be possible vanilla

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tho

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def not xd

tired cypress Feb 19, 2021, 4:06 PM

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I would like to ask some question about the randomizer (in #randomizer, I would assume)

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Could I please be given the appropriate role to be able to access that channel?

vague jolt Feb 19, 2021, 4:07 PM

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Just type ?rank randomizer racer or ?rank speedrun racer

knotty vigil Feb 19, 2021, 4:07 PM

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^

vague jolt Feb 19, 2021, 4:07 PM

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(The first one of those gets pinged more often)

tired cypress Feb 19, 2021, 4:07 PM

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Ah okay, I thought the mods had to do that for me, sorry

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Thanks for helping out!

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?rank randomizer racer

sick ravenBOT Feb 19, 2021, 4:08 PM

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@tired cypress, you joined Randomizer Racer.

forest latch Feb 19, 2021, 4:18 PM

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Blue name hype

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?rank speedrun racer

sick ravenBOT Feb 19, 2021, 4:18 PM

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@forest latch, you joined Speedrun Racer.

agile blaze Feb 19, 2021, 4:20 PM

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lol nitro overlayed blue rip

knotty vigil Feb 19, 2021, 4:21 PM

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rip boost colours

meager current Feb 19, 2021, 4:21 PM

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just wait for the boost to run out ax1uHappy

knotty vigil Feb 19, 2021, 4:22 PM

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lmao

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rip blue da a dee

forest latch Feb 19, 2021, 4:23 PM

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Just noticed that lmao

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But still

knotty vigil Feb 19, 2021, 4:24 PM

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its the thought that counts

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its still bluename hype

forest latch Feb 19, 2021, 4:24 PM

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Or I could transfer my boost to somewhere else zotewheeze

knotty vigil Feb 19, 2021, 4:24 PM

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but

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thats illegal

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you arent allowed to

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~~this will be your favourite server forever have fun speedrunning eternally~~

forest latch Feb 19, 2021, 4:25 PM

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LMAO

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I'm joking about transferring my boost ofc

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But still

knotty vigil Feb 19, 2021, 4:25 PM

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forest latch But still

lmao i mean imagine even boosting a server

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zote

forest latch Feb 19, 2021, 4:25 PM

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Once I boost, I lose my soul

knotty vigil Feb 19, 2021, 4:26 PM

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is that why you are god of void?

forest latch Feb 19, 2021, 4:26 PM

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Mayyybe

knotty vigil Feb 19, 2021, 4:26 PM

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will you be lord of soul once you unboost?

forest latch Feb 19, 2021, 4:26 PM

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Maybe

knotty vigil Feb 19, 2021, 4:26 PM

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lmao

dawn walrus Feb 19, 2021, 5:48 PM

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Is there uumuu 1 cycle on cp?

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 5:48 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sStHypsLa3w

YouTube

underlein

cp uumuu 1 cycle (shade soul + ddark)

▶ Play video

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 5:50 PM

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I 1 cycled uumuu yesterday w shade soul

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in hall of gods

steady lynx Feb 19, 2021, 5:51 PM

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That's easy

hearty adder Feb 19, 2021, 5:52 PM

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Hall of Gods Uumuu has different hp iirc

steady lynx Feb 19, 2021, 5:52 PM

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300 or something

fair island Feb 19, 2021, 5:53 PM

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Godhome is 350 and the jellys do 100 damage

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 5:54 PM

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my fault

steady lynx Feb 19, 2021, 5:54 PM

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That might be the lowest health of all Godhome bosses

fair island Feb 19, 2021, 5:56 PM

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It is

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 5:56 PM

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wait

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i thought you could only do 150 damage to uwu per cycle

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 5:56 PM

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that's true in any% nmg

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but if you have nail upgrades and shade soul it's a lot higher

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 5:57 PM

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ohhhh, i thought the game actually limits you

steady lynx Feb 19, 2021, 5:57 PM

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If you have shriek or flukes you can instakill easily

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Cp TE one cycle is kinda impossible to my knowledge though

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 6:00 PM

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How fast can you kill the hk w fluke

dawn walrus Feb 19, 2021, 6:00 PM

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digital jewel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sStHypsLa3w

And something for any%? elderC the less cycles

steady lynx Feb 19, 2021, 6:00 PM

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On 1221, like half a minute

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 6:00 PM

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https://www.twitch.tv/manicjamie/clip/RamshackleExcitedSardineTinyFace-SiAk1iRy0BaHC9tv?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time

Twitch

ManicJamie - Uumuu fight

Watch ManicJamie's clip titled "Uumuu fight"

▶ Play video

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 6:01 PM

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do people use fluke on 106?

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 6:01 PM

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look at this gusten

dreamy bough Feb 19, 2021, 6:01 PM

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main bear do people use fluke on 106?

yes, whole point of 106

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 6:01 PM

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dreamy bough yes, whole point of 106

lmao

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 6:01 PM

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dawn walrus And something for any%? <:elderC:598291441013358605> the less cycles

there's no uumuu 1 cycle possible with just VS

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 6:01 PM

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wait is fluke just that broken?

twin swallow Feb 19, 2021, 6:02 PM

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it really is

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 6:02 PM

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Why don't people use it in pantheon?

dreamy bough Feb 19, 2021, 6:02 PM

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yes

steady lynx Feb 19, 2021, 6:02 PM

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Well, now I know how to take PS4 TE WR

dreamy bough Feb 19, 2021, 6:02 PM

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pantheons are 112

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 6:02 PM

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Yeah so?

dreamy bough Feb 19, 2021, 6:02 PM

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currentpatch flukes are bad

twin swallow Feb 19, 2021, 6:02 PM

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cus it's nerfed massively after 1221

dawn walrus Feb 19, 2021, 6:02 PM

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digital jewel there's no uumuu 1 cycle possible with just VS

What is the fastest way to beat uumuu? I use the power of god everytime

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 6:02 PM

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twin swallow cus it's nerfed massively after 1221

ah

dawn walrus Feb 19, 2021, 6:02 PM

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And it's slow af

twin swallow Feb 19, 2021, 6:02 PM

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does like 40% less damage and costs an extra notch

steady lynx Feb 19, 2021, 6:03 PM

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1114 fluke though with 144 damage and a lot more issues

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Couldn't get runs going today so just practiced traitor lord

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At least at 50/50 success rate for the TE shade skip

hasty vortex Feb 19, 2021, 6:25 PM

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What are the best relics to go for when speedrunning?

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 6:25 PM

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depends what you're running

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there are 3 seals above king's station bench, after watcher knights and in the rafters up and to the left of lemm that are all very fast to get in city

hasty vortex Feb 19, 2021, 6:26 PM

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I am doing all required abilities because I can't do any percent atm

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 6:27 PM

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what's that mean

haughty fossil Feb 19, 2021, 6:27 PM

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an overview of the all skills route is pinned in #all-skills

hasty vortex Feb 19, 2021, 6:27 PM

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thank you

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sorry not any% I meant low%

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I ain't to familar with speedrunning excuse me

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 6:28 PM

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so you're doing any%?

hasty vortex Feb 19, 2021, 6:29 PM

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yep

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 6:29 PM

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fireb0rn has a really good guide on that category

hasty vortex Feb 19, 2021, 6:29 PM

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ty! vm il look it up

vague reef Feb 19, 2021, 6:37 PM

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Hi guys, i have a question for a the speed run god mode (Pantheon of the Master) how can i have a software timer for this pls. '^'

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 6:37 PM

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livesplit.org

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 6:55 PM

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livesplit ^^

thorn jasper Feb 19, 2021, 7:02 PM

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pinned messages have a full guide for HK-specific parts of livesplitting/autosplitting

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 7:08 PM

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Is glass soul any% nmg harder than glass soul p5

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or r5 whatever

cedar berry Feb 19, 2021, 7:09 PM

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i think i may have gotten the world record for failing a steel soul run, where can i post it

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 7:09 PM

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lmao

cedar berry Feb 19, 2021, 7:09 PM

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(29 seconds)

hasty vortex Feb 19, 2021, 7:10 PM

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loool

stiff delta Feb 19, 2021, 7:22 PM

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?srpsa

sick ravenBOT Feb 19, 2021, 7:22 PM

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Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

meager current Feb 19, 2021, 7:26 PM

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intended for competitive speedrunning discussion.
🙂

halcyon jetty Feb 19, 2021, 8:36 PM

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Any tips for the second greenpath fireball skip? I figured out the first one and can do it fairly consistently, but still can't do the second one after many attempts. What's a good reference point for when I should start fireballing?

meager current Feb 19, 2021, 8:38 PM

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i think its when you get to the highest point of the jump

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i might be wrong

dull lion Feb 19, 2021, 8:38 PM

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No you’re right. You want to start just after the peak of your jump(so as/right before) you begin falling

halcyon jetty Feb 19, 2021, 8:38 PM

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ok

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thanks

meager current Feb 19, 2021, 8:38 PM

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yay my brain worked for once

dull lion Feb 19, 2021, 8:39 PM

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And make sure you jump as late as possible, there’s more room than you think before you start falling

meager current Feb 19, 2021, 8:39 PM

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coyote frames 🙂

hearty adder Feb 19, 2021, 8:40 PM

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dull lion And make sure you jump as late as possible, there’s more room than you think bef...

Getting hitboxes mod is good for having a better idea of just how far you can jump at certain points

granite field Feb 19, 2021, 8:44 PM

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hmm maybe you can also try to gather soul on the way for 2 fireballs, might be safier than 1 (if you tried with only one, I mean)

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that way you can probably secure the skip

meager current Feb 19, 2021, 8:45 PM

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i save up for 3 🙂

granite field Feb 19, 2021, 8:46 PM

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I think 3 is pretty cool since you would have a second chance if you failed at the first attempt IMO

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but at this point maybe eric is better

meager current Feb 19, 2021, 8:49 PM

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3 is cool because you can use a single fireball for the hornet fireball skip and save 2 for the room with the husks

granite field Feb 19, 2021, 8:49 PM

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meager current 3 is cool because you can use a single fireball for the hornet fireball skip and...

makes sense yeah

dreamy bough Feb 19, 2021, 9:00 PM

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meager current 3 is cool because you can use a single fireball for the hornet fireball skip and...

collecting at least one fireball of soul in the room in between is pretty easy (moss charger), so going 2, 2 works out fine imo

meager current Feb 19, 2021, 9:01 PM

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dreamy bough collecting at least one fireball of soul in the room in between is pretty easy (...

that also works

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 9:09 PM

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what relics are collected in all skills

dull lion Feb 19, 2021, 9:10 PM

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The all skills route is pinned in the #all-skills discord and is on speedrun.com

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 9:11 PM

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the file won't open from the discord

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 9:12 PM

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it's a website link

dull lion Feb 19, 2021, 9:13 PM

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You’re probably looking at the live split file, scroll down

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 9:13 PM

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ok, I was looking at the wrong thing

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thanks 😄

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wait, if lemm isn't needed, then why does the switch world record use him?

grizzled maple Feb 19, 2021, 9:24 PM

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Current patch route was different from 1221 for all skills, unless you're talking about any% which every any% category uses lemm

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i think new cp route no longer uses lemm for all skills

thorn jasper Feb 19, 2021, 9:25 PM

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grizzled maple i think new cp route no longer uses lemm for all skills

this is the reason. we skip false knight and lemm in the new route

grizzled maple Feb 19, 2021, 9:26 PM

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i did the original route and am very lazy about money routing so i just based it on 1xx% and called it a day zote
its been improved a lot shoutouts to the team

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 9:26 PM

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ok, so lemm should just be skipped

grizzled maple Feb 19, 2021, 9:27 PM

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i would follow the current patch route from PC. it's the most up to date and exactly the same as console

leaden python Feb 19, 2021, 9:27 PM

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yeah we did a lot of back and forth in public chats to improve geo routing. And Scruffy's cucumber addition is just so fucking tasty

hallow orchid Feb 19, 2021, 9:27 PM

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I think about the only difference on console is it's probably better to do KE counter clockwise

grizzled maple Feb 19, 2021, 9:28 PM

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ah yeah. save quits cost about 20 seconds on console, so anything that you can beat that with movement, you should avoid that sq

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in things like TE and 112% for console you'd also use more dream gates than the pc route. dgate is really slow on pc

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 9:29 PM

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how much faster is clockwise KE in all skills?

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 9:29 PM

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grizzled maple i would follow the current patch route from PC. it's the most up to date and exa...

ok thanks

thorn jasper Feb 19, 2021, 9:30 PM

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digital jewel how much faster is clockwise KE in all skills?

(when thinking of answers, keep in mind that you only get one row of hoppers in the clockwise route. to compensate you can get fungal rocks)

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 9:30 PM

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interesting

hallow orchid Feb 19, 2021, 9:31 PM

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I'm honestly not sure you need the fungal rocks, I ran it without and the geo worked out, I may have gotten the bottom row of city enemies though

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I'm not sure how much faster it is Xero, or if someone has timed it. I think if you end up skipping camp bench entirely with bottom it's probably not that much faster to do top route, maybe 10-15s

thorn jasper Feb 19, 2021, 9:32 PM

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there's also the guarantee of full health for hornet to consider, rather than the semi-dangerous movement from oro

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 9:34 PM

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true

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hmm I'll have to consider what I want to do for geo though

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 9:34 PM

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Whats best possible time for 106%

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 9:34 PM

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because I play that route pretty tight

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2:20:11

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according to community best segments

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 9:35 PM

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wow

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Do any speedrunners use WASD

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 9:35 PM

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yeah a lot do

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 9:35 PM

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cool

forest latch Feb 19, 2021, 9:39 PM

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So I want to change this overlay image into that one image of an Xbox One controller that some people use for streams
Is there an image of it that I can use, and will it work?

haughty fossil Feb 19, 2021, 9:40 PM

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the overlay most people use is https://gamepadviewer.com/#

forest latch Feb 19, 2021, 9:42 PM

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I'll see what I can do, thanks for the answer though!

deft flame Feb 19, 2021, 9:42 PM

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?saves

sick ravenBOT Feb 19, 2021, 9:42 PM

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Saves

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
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Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
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Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

hearty adder Feb 19, 2021, 9:44 PM

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forest latch So I want to change this overlay image into that one image of an Xbox One contro...

The way that plugin works, if you want one that looks 1:1 with an xbox one controller, you'd probably have to make that yourself or find if anyone else has made one for the plugin. If not, you can grab the spritesheet and recolor it

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What Jamie recommended is what most people use and it will require less effort than what I described

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I'm also a big advocate for Controller Display nosklurk it uses a window capture rather than a browser capture, so may be more gpu-friendly depending on your pc
https://thatsmytrunks.itch.io/controllerdisplay

itch.io

Controller Display by Fred Wood by Fred Wood

A small, stylish app to show your controller inputs while you stream!

forest latch Feb 19, 2021, 10:01 PM

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Tested the one you recommended, had too much fun with it, before setting it up
Thanks for the recommendation! I'll totally use it for future speedruns-

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 10:07 PM

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Do you guys think the speed running community will grow with ss?

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if so by how much?

leaden python Feb 19, 2021, 10:07 PM

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it will decline bezaitis. Since silksong will never come out, hk will slowly lose its popularity

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 10:07 PM

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lol

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actually tho

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 10:08 PM

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theres going to be quite a few people speedrunning in the first week or so

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 10:09 PM

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I'm really excited to see hornets movement optimized to the brink

haughty fossil Feb 19, 2021, 10:10 PM

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depends whether ss is a good speedgame

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if its horrible to run, then maybe hk will get all the people who give up on ss feelspkman

random oak Feb 19, 2021, 10:11 PM

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Starting to learn all skills and haven't had much of a problem streaming using capture card and streaming other games from my pc. But even running this game right now even with nothing else is causing a ton of stuttering and things like that. I'm getting close to 300 and when I slash, fireball or pogo an enemy it dips down to like 10 fps? Also when false knight falls or when the door breaks to exit the fight the screen freezes for like 3-4s??? Any idea why? Super frustrating

haughty fossil Feb 19, 2021, 10:11 PM

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~~hk is also horrible to run but don't let anyone know i told you that~~

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 10:11 PM

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definitely at the start ss will be massive

random oak Feb 19, 2021, 10:12 PM

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random oak Starting to learn all skills and haven't had much of a problem streaming using c...

No vsync enabled. Happens no matter if i'm at 1080, 1600x900, or 720 and if i have particles at normal or low

hearty adder Feb 19, 2021, 10:12 PM

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Which patch are you playing in?

random oak Feb 19, 2021, 10:12 PM

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1.2.2.1

granite field Feb 19, 2021, 10:13 PM

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I'll enjoy to do the glitch/skip hunting myself in the first weeks of ss, and I'm sure a ton of people will also do that

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 10:13 PM

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so do you have a separate streaming pc?

random oak Feb 19, 2021, 10:13 PM

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same pc

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 10:13 PM

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have you looked at your cpu and gpu utilisation while playing + streaming

random oak Feb 19, 2021, 10:13 PM

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even if i'm just sitting here and playing it happens

stuck raptor Feb 19, 2021, 10:13 PM

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Try redownlading the patch again. And if that doesn't fix it, you could try to clear your registry.

random oak Feb 19, 2021, 10:14 PM

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like just having discord up and the game it's happening

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 10:14 PM

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Team cherry does like the Speedrun community tho, so I'm sure they'll at least put a little effort into making it good for speed runners

stuck raptor Feb 19, 2021, 10:14 PM

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Lel

hearty adder Feb 19, 2021, 10:14 PM

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Do they really though

stuck raptor Feb 19, 2021, 10:14 PM

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Nice joke

granite field Feb 19, 2021, 10:14 PM

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I'm not sure about that sentence lol

stiff delta Feb 19, 2021, 10:14 PM

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lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 10:14 PM

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??????

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Have they not said that they like the speedrun community?

random oak Feb 19, 2021, 10:14 PM

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stuck raptor Try redownlading the patch again. And if that doesn't fix it, you could try to c...

is there a guide to doing that? Been a min since i've had to

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 10:15 PM

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I could've sworn

haughty fossil Feb 19, 2021, 10:15 PM

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they patched out literally every speed tech we use 🙂

verbal stag Feb 19, 2021, 10:15 PM

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they have actively made the game worse to run

digital jewel Feb 19, 2021, 10:15 PM

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https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten#ch5Deleting_Windows_Registry

speedrun.com

Speedrunning leaderboards, resources, forums, and more!

random oak Feb 19, 2021, 10:15 PM

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thanks all. I'll if this helps

ionic cargo Feb 19, 2021, 10:15 PM

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there is a reason people use 1221 istead of current patch

hearty adder Feb 19, 2021, 10:15 PM

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random oak like just having discord up and the game it's happening

Alongside what Mickely said, also don't have other programs you aren't using open. 1221 is very unoptimized

stuck raptor Feb 19, 2021, 10:15 PM

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They have called what we do agonizing

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 10:16 PM

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Damn.

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Nevermind then.

haughty fossil Feb 19, 2021, 10:16 PM

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they donated to all the gdq runs except mick's nsoob run because it showed how broken the game is feelspkman

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 10:16 PM

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LMAO

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Well

hearty adder Feb 19, 2021, 10:17 PM

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I think about them saying "we don't have to cater to speedrunners" more often that I'll admit goodknight

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 10:17 PM

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I hope SS turns out fun

forest latch Feb 19, 2021, 10:17 PM

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hearty adder I think about them saying "we don't have to cater to speedrunners" more often th...

How much are we speaking?

stiff delta Feb 19, 2021, 10:17 PM

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i think itll be fun

hearty adder Feb 19, 2021, 10:17 PM

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Hide the speedtech from the eyes of Will Smith and SS speedrunning will be saved

haughty fossil Feb 19, 2021, 10:17 PM

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despite all that, hk somehow manages to be a good enough speedgame to keep us all here feelspkman

stuck raptor Feb 19, 2021, 10:18 PM

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SS is actually just delayed because they're spending 3 years trying to figure out everything we'd find fun and get rid of it prior to release

granite field Feb 19, 2021, 10:18 PM

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haughty fossil despite all that, hk somehow manages to be a good enough speedgame to keep us al...

that's where is all the magic of speedrun

forest latch Feb 19, 2021, 10:18 PM

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Hell, I only recently got into speedrunning this game zotewheeze

hearty adder Feb 19, 2021, 10:19 PM

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Running ss any% ag out of spite

granite field Feb 19, 2021, 10:19 PM

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but idk like, do you think Inv drops (for example) would have been discovered/used/abused for casual players?

hearty adder Feb 19, 2021, 10:20 PM

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Maybe if they were revisiting areas or something

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 10:20 PM

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Once you start a new debug save, is there a way to just tp to watcher knights

haughty fossil Feb 19, 2021, 10:20 PM

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no, but inv drops were capable of locking you out of stuff like soul catcher

stuck raptor Feb 19, 2021, 10:20 PM

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"GUYS STOP EVERYTHING! This casual player just saved 1 second by falling faster! GET RID OF IT!"

sonic crane Feb 19, 2021, 10:22 PM

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dont you get menu storage if you inv drop through transitions?

stuck raptor Feb 19, 2021, 10:22 PM

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no

forest latch Feb 19, 2021, 10:22 PM

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stuck raptor "GUYS STOP EVERYTHING! This casual player just saved 1 second by falling faster!...

"oKaY!" aggressive keysmashing noises

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I had to-

sonic crane Feb 19, 2021, 10:22 PM

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oh ok

granite field Feb 19, 2021, 10:22 PM

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main bear Once you start a new debug save, is there a way to just tp to watcher knights

are you using benchwarp on top of that?

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 10:23 PM

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granite field are you using benchwarp on top of that?

wdym

stuck raptor Feb 19, 2021, 10:23 PM

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you can get it if you open inventory the moment you land on a platform after coming in from a top transition. but only in specific rooms where the platform is close enough to the transition

hearty adder Feb 19, 2021, 10:23 PM

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main bear wdym

Benchwarp is a mod that lets you warp instantly to any bench you've sat on previously

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(or maybe all benches, idk I've only used it in rando)

stuck raptor Feb 19, 2021, 10:24 PM

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there's a button/setting to unlock all benches right away

granite field Feb 19, 2021, 10:24 PM

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benchwarp allow you to TP to different benches, might be interesting if you want to go on some places quickly. There is an option to unlock them all so no need to discover them

stuck raptor Feb 19, 2021, 10:24 PM

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even if you haven't been to it

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 10:25 PM

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oh

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where is that

stuck raptor Feb 19, 2021, 10:25 PM

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the installer

main bear Feb 19, 2021, 10:25 PM

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oh got it