speedrunning

[strong vessel]

Is that a bug?

[grizzled maple]

Did you actually go into the file?

Because 1221 doesnt update the card on the menu from hard saves

[digital jewel]

I have heard of this rarely that for whatever reason the save when you quitout fails

when rarely I mean like a few times a year

[strong vessel]

It had the right time

It just didn't save me at Ancestral Mound

No, I didn't go into it

[whole rivet]

is there a faq on speedrunning here?

[strong vessel]

Maybe that's it

[limpid ruin]

Nerfirelia had a clip of it on decent mwc pace i think

[knotty vigil]

Yeah, the card doesn't update on hardsaves (at least on 1.2.2.1)

[strong vessel]

Ok, thanks

[limpid ruin]

Yee donke, in the pins up above :3

[whole rivet]

ty

why do you use only two fireballs at a time for first elder baldur?

just wondering

[harsh mason]

you need an extra baldur

he cant spit in hit anim

[digital jewel]

because the stagger on getting hit is long enough that you can fire 2 without causing an additional stagger

[harsh mason]

3 re staggers

[whole rivet]

ok ty

[strong vessel]

I've been doing it by casting my third fireball right after it spits the baldur, is there anything wrong with that?

[digital jewel]

your limiting factor is how quickly he can spit so you don't want him to be staggered more than he has to

yeah you have to guess how many spits it's gonna do then

[harsh mason]

you might hit the baldur and kill it

[digital jewel]

also that

[strong vessel]

True

[harsh mason]

you generally pre swing to hit it as it spawns with your nail

[bronze anchor]

oh perfect timing for my dumb question! why do people dash off the edge at the start of dream nail sequence? does it do anything to speed it up or is it just swag because you're waiting anyway

[digital jewel]

Ideally you want to hit it right when it spawns, upslash it once to get it over you and then turn around and backslash it

that's the fastest way to get the 3 soul

[digital jewel]

the seer spawns faster if you void out first

[bronze anchor]

sweet, ty!

[digital jewel]

it's a small timesave though

[harsh mason]

at the start

so its to exploit the timer

[jagged vault]

Saves one second loadless

[digital jewel]

yeah also only true on 1221. it's not faster to fall off on current patch

[jagged vault]

Loses one real time

Iirc

[bronze anchor]

ahhh I see

[strong vessel]

Since I guess we're just asking questions like this now: How do I reliably do Seer skip? I dash twice but keep ending up just barely not exiting the room

I've done it before but it doesn't always work

[limpid ruin]

If you fall off regularly Id guess? Or is it bc cp load differences

[jagged vault]

You need to make sure to be holding right already in the menu so you start immediately

[strong vessel]

I am

[jagged vault]

Once you open it

[limpid ruin]

What patch?

[strong vessel]

Current, I just downpatched so maybe it works differently

[jagged vault]

Then it’s just dash timing/spamming correctly

[twin swallow]

it is more lenient on downpatch

[jagged vault]

Current patch is a lot more precise than 1221

[low bramble]

you cant hold right through the screen transition tho on keyboard

so let go of it after you go off the dream nail screen and then repress

[harsh mason]

team keyboard in shambles

[strong vessel]

Ohh that might be why

[limpid ruin]

It's semi tricky at first, but what you do is esc for early ctrl, and turn right and dash as optimally as you can until transition

[strong vessel]

I'm holding right through the entire thing

[low bramble]

yea thats it

not really known thing

[limpid ruin]

Yea, not the entire thing

[strong vessel]

Ok thanks

[low bramble]

it plagued me for months

[limpid ruin]

Hk is kinda 🥴 with input handling and safe bet is that it unpresses held keys on every transition

[ebon gorge]

i have no idea how to beat wk with a level 0 nail
i could never even beat them with a good nail
this is hell

[snow dome]

Run all skills instead 👀

[hearty adder]

have you watched the any% wk guide?

[grizzled maple]

there's a really good video pinned in #any-percent-nmg that might help break the fight down for you. beyond that it's just learning your openings and being patient

[ebon gorge]

all of them

so many times

[grizzled maple]

most top runners have hundreds of hours in that fight alone. it's just genuinely hard. you just kinda learn in time how to react and when

if you wanna post a video of your own fights, some of the more experienced any% runners can probably give actual input

[ebon gorge]

cant im on console

[limpid ruin]

Ive seen Pest give tons of good feedback whenever ppl ask with videos

[prime delta]

I haven't beaten any% WK yet because I tend to start panicking about ten seconds after there's two knights

but I know I can do it so I just gotta keep trying

[strong vessel]

I 2-cycled Uumuu!

For the first time

[ebon gorge]

Switch

[strong vessel]

Why is this fight like this

[ebon gorge]

ikr

im thinking about getting hk on pc is it worth?

[thorn jasper]

yes, yes, ..., yes

that's a countably-infinite number of yeses btw

[ebon gorge]

why is it better on pc?

(other than practice mods or is that it)

[grizzled maple]

this game handles inputs in a way that fps impacts it, and pc can run uncapped

console feels like playing hk underwater

[rough echo]

better loads, rando, boss mods, debug mod, easier to record

[strong vessel]

Rando is a very good reason tbh

[thorn jasper]

• you can mod it, including a very nice debug mod for grinding WK practice 😄
• you can downpatch
• you can have a higher framerate, which makes input handling less bad

[ebon gorge]

yea

one problem im broke

[thorn jasper]

I will literally buy it for you

[ebon gorge]

?

[thorn jasper]

I will DM you a code or something that you can use to download the game on Steam if that works

[ebon gorge]

yea

that works

[thorn jasper]

[ebon gorge]

wait but if you did give me a code how would i use it?

[thorn jasper]

idk how this works tbh

[prime delta]

steam lets you put in codes

[ebon gorge]

where?

[prime delta]

but it'd probably be easier to send it as a steam gift

[ebon gorge]

prob

[prime delta]

but then you have to be steam friends and also live in the same country apparently so maybe not

[harsh mason]

games > activate a product on steam

[ebon gorge]

[harsh mason]

theres like a pretty long wait between being friends and being able to send money/games afaik

to stop people hacking accounts and using it to transfer games to their own account

[ebon gorge]

yea

[prime delta]

oh yeah I forgot about that

[ebon gorge]

so i code would be better?

[prime delta]

they also forced you to verify by email and wait an eternity before you could sell trading cards

[ebon gorge]

yea

[prime delta]

I am generally mad about steam which is why hollow knight is the only PC game I've played in years

yeah but cdpr sucks

[maiden bane]

itch dot io is like the only good digital marketplace

[strong vessel]

Hmm, is it worth it to try to go the nail 0 route instead of nail 1? I've been doing both but I feel like nail 1 is actually faster for me, especially if it means that I don't die to any of the bosses

It might be better to start learning it earlier so I can get better at it and stuff

[thorn jasper]

update: we figured it out, yazzy has game

[sick raven]

@crimson minnow, you joined Randomizer Racer.

[thorn jasper]

HK Shitsong

[serene crag]

first sub hour yesterday with a 59, pb'd with a 43:51 today im addicted!!!!!!!!!!!

sry to basically shitpost but i cant exactly call my grandma and tell her about it you know

soon ill be part of the blu crew

[thorn jasper]

we'll be your grandma. well done! now then young one, will I get to see my great-grandchildren anytime soon?

[serene crag]

not until i have wr granny

so no dont count on it

[thorn jasper]

[low bramble]

congrats on the huge pb sonny 👵

[serene crag]

sad that i just started running this and have to be away for work in 2 weeks T__T

ill be running in my dreams

[low bramble]

just gotta get them derust pbs easy

[small sigil]

Hm hearing comms talk about rando helping movement makes me wonder how well I'd do at All Skills. But, counterpoints:

• imagine having LiveSplit
• imagine speedrunning

[stray kestrel]

jason speedruns?

[haughty fossil]

jason please just dual boot windows

[twin swallow]

official 4MS speedrunner

[haughty fossil]

you'd be such a good sped runer

[small sigil]

I don't have the patience for speedrunning

Also with school starting up again I probably don't have time 😔

[stray kestrel]

just think of it like dab except with a set seed

then you arent doing goals

[haughty fossil]

dab except you have infinite preparation time

[small sigil]

This is why I do speedrun routing 🙃

[stray kestrel]

just make a new route

[twin swallow]

invent your own category and run that

[small sigil]

But I don't even like running

Just routing

[snow dome]

Routing%

Let's get DAB onto the leaderboard, that's liked 75% routing.

[hallow orchid]

Jason "blue name" ILTG do speedruns

Forgotten corners plando exists and is a category

(the biggest problem is not having the option of load removal unfortunately)

[stark birch]

JB run ghostbusters worldsoul cartographer all charm notches no shop charms kronk max% no benches DAB ghostbusters

[hallow orchid]

Quack is going to singlehandedly make the hkmemes board have 30 categories

[stray kestrel]

quack would make two alts

suddenly, 3 runners

[hallow orchid]

the cycle is Quack comes up with terrible category, Jason routes it, I get bullied into running it too, and then it's just 1 run away

[stray kestrel]

all on current patch for some reason

[hallow orchid]

if jason runs them too we're just a meme cat factory

[stark birch]

I mean cartographer is already 1 run away because homothety did it 👀

[stray kestrel]

does cartographer get dashmaster or just not shaman stone perchance

[stark birch]

and we added menderbug so I feel like real categories therefore are to a certain extent entitled

[haughty fossil]

i eventually say "yeah i'll do it" then put it off forever 🥴

[thorn jasper]

new category: all fun rando skips. just get the checks all in one run

[hallow orchid]

still want to run giving marissa the maximal audience

gwomb spike tunnel, dark deepnest, way too much geo so you get a ton of relics, it's basically half a rando seed

[stark birch]

i'm thinking my final community goal before "just run 112" will be marissa audience since it's both be kind to marissa and learn dark deepnest

while still being a meme run

[normal aspen]

People should run bestgirl%

[haughty fossil]

wrs

[hallow orchid]

in that you can just do dung defender to get around the mag skip right?

[normal aspen]

You can but weh

[haughty fossil]

get spell twister and do the free version of the mag skip

[hallow orchid]

I feel like spell twister is probably slower than dung defender lol

[normal aspen]

However

[hallow orchid]

you can't even get dive right?

[normal aspen]

Swag points

No you cannot

Dash slash is also an option

[haughty fossil]

optimal defender route skips wings too

but that means doing that shade skip

[hallow orchid]

well the ismas shade skip isn't much worse than the BV shade skip I think question mark

(it's probably worse)

[snow dome]

Is "that" a shade skip to get to where the Hwurmps are?

[haughty fossil]

i did a TE style lineup that makes BV shade skip entirely consistent, at least for me

yeah tami

[snow dome]

That's rad as heck

[normal aspen]

BV one is unironically free if u do TE style yea

[snow dome]

So you have to do hard spike tunnel twice?

At the cost of about 6 hours RTA?

[haughty fossil]

for optimal route yeah

suboptimal just goes and gets nail1, then wings

[snow dome]

... why nail 1?

[stark birch]

for the BV shade skip

[haughty fossil]

need it for BV skip

[snow dome]

Oh

That again

[haughty fossil]

need to aggro the shade, and w/ nail1 it has enough health to not die to a lvl1 no shaman fireball

does mean doing BV without shaman though

[stone kelp]

Super basic question: how do you revert Hollow Knight to an older version? Many speedrun categories require you not to be on the most recent patch of the game, right?

[prime delta]

there's a guide on speedrun.com

[stray kestrel]

?downpatch

is that a thing? i feel like theres a thing for this

[grizzled maple]

Its also pinned here. And you're not required to be downpatched. We do have current patch subcategories for the two beginner categories for people who don't want to or can't downpatch

[prime delta]

the only major category that actually requires a lower patch is 106, right

and all the glitches categories I guess

[stray kestrel]

and all bosses if you count that as major

[stone kelp]

Is 100% not a category then?

[grizzled maple]

Yeah because it has to have that max completion. All bosses is just an older category and new bosses didnt exist

[median gull]

100% is

[stray kestrel]

100% is but nobody runs it

[median gull]

but no one runs it

cause it is bad

[stone kelp]

Oh, thanks for the warning then

[median gull]

wr description is literally: go run 106 or 112 this run sucks

[grizzled maple]

100% requires a patch where thats max completion and 1.1 is awful

106 is the best max% category

Fun speed tech but not too jank. 112 is just really long because pantheons so most people avoid it

[stray kestrel]

if you like some glitches and full completion, 100% nmms might be something that interests you

[stone kelp]

106 might be decent. Don't really want to do pantheons

[stray kestrel]

107% is a category that has been discussed and a few people have run it

[median gull]

do you even get legit full completion in 100% nmms?

[grizzled maple]

Yes

[median gull]

or do you just dupe a bunch of soul vessel and mask shard

[stray kestrel]

basically 112 with no pantheons

you dupe one soul vessel fragment

[grizzled maple]

I mean its not legit legit. They dupe stuff but they get the % and show it on credits

You also dupe masks

[median gull]

yea

[stray kestrel]

and grubs

i dont believe you dupe any masks tho

[grizzled maple]

I once saw mick lose a run to duping a sly mask and did something too fast and the game ate it

You do

I know the route lol

I used to watch him run that a lot

[stone kelp]

Anyway, found the guide on speedrun.com, so thanks for pointing me there

[stray kestrel]

i thought you just bought the sly masks

and if you leave the room too early the mask just doesnt exist

[grizzled maple]

Hmm

[stray kestrel]

im pretty sure you cant dupe sly masks but dont quote me on that

because its not a shiny pickup

[grizzled maple]

Anyways it is a good category and I wish more than one person ran it

Theres some stuff thats just really awful though like entering abyss

[median gull]

properly learning dupes and loadtimes sucks tho

like, from the entire game

any% is fine

[dry sluice]

I mean you don't really need to know loadtimes for 100% do you

[median gull]

@ em

[dry sluice]

and most loads are around the same anyway and then you just wait a bit longer if the room is particularly large

but its not like 100% has soob

[grizzled maple]

If youre @ ing me to run it that ain't happening lol

[median gull]

oh no

about the loadtimes

[grizzled maple]

I simply do not understand hk glitches. Can't even float right

[median gull]

oh okay D:

[grizzled maple]

Oh idk but I trust her

[median gull]

same, just said that before allie answered me

[grizzled maple]

Theres a lot in the run thats pretty vanilla and I think thats why I like it

Because you still need everything and glitches are only sometimes the answer when you have a bunch of movement

[dry sluice]

its mainly just cause its on hidden dreams for dreamgate

if it were on 1028 glitches would be the answer a lot more of the time

[stuck raptor]

possible that 1028 is faster, but as only 1 person has routed it....

it's the super slide OOBs that are the biggest variable in that run

and room dupes for grubs

And I wish more than 1 person ran it too Em. 😦

probably would still be running it if people were actually interested in the cat

[normal aspen]

Such is the glitched cat experience

[dry sluice]

just too long, even if it was on 1028 I don't like running anything that long since it doesn't feel like I'm ever anywhere close to an optimal run

also I hate the invuln trials, just a few very boring minutes of spamming fluke at things

[stuck raptor]

O.o

very boring?!?

[dry sluice]

exact same reasons I'm probably not going back to AB

[stuck raptor]

it's the most hilarious part

[dry sluice]

it looks cool the first couple times but actually doing it is boring

[stuck raptor]

I mean, I disagree

as the person who's done it the most

but to each their own

I'm also admittedly biased b/c that cat is my baby

[dry sluice]

there's just no gameplay for that section, feels like I'm taking a break from running to spam flukes and occasionally avoid hitting spikes

[stuck raptor]

you have to be optimal with when you kill enemies though

to advance the stages properly

and you can't hit spikes anyways

cuz you're invuln

[dry sluice]

you can on 1028

[stuck raptor]

rip

[dry sluice]

and yeah its just not fun optimization for me

[stuck raptor]

I should have spent more time optimizing it. b/c some times I've saved/lost 30 seconds in a trial

which shouldn't be that variable

but I dunno how much lag affects all that either

just never sat down and did the math for all the waves/kills

[strong summit]

how the hell do you get the bomb fungal wastes skip thing for any% nmg

like i try at least once a run and i havent gotten it

[formal bough]

are you on current patch or 1.2.2.1?

[strong summit]

current patch

im on switch btw

[formal bough]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uztaN_toC_U and the panta version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wdfFMLblz4
is two tutorials

In current patch you can't actually pogo off of the explosion effect unlike on the older patches so it is different and a lot harder I believe

[strong summit]

ah ok thank you

[jaunty anvil]

hey im trying 2 downpatching to 1.2.2.1 and it's been stuck on this for awhile , is it supposed to take ages or ?

[formal bough]

It is a large download it can definately take a while

[jaunty anvil]

okie !

im worried im not doing this right , the guide on speedrun . com is up to date yeah ?

[formal bough]

yeah it is. reminder: step 5) Be patient on the download.

[jaunty anvil]

wehwfheuhfw yeah ik im sorry

[formal bough]

dw getting impatiant is easy

[jaunty anvil]

does 1221 drop inputs mor than CP cuz it feels like that is the case i could b placeboing tho ?

[twin swallow]

yeah old patch performance is bad

[jaunty anvil]

yeahhhh

is input drops soley a performance thing tho

like i hav a smooth framerate

[rough echo]

just press the button for longer, ez

[stray kestrel]

current patch is just much better at dealing with, like, anything

[jaunty anvil]

yea

maybe i will just keep running cp

[twin swallow]

idk how bad it is for you, but my pc literally freezes for multiple seconds every time I pick up a spell, hit a breakable wall, pogo spikes, etc.

[short spire]

if your fps is decent 1221 doesn't drop any more inputs than cp

[jaunty anvil]

im getting like 350ish fps ?

hm it might b placebo or maybe the buffer system is differnt slightly ?

[weary root]

1221 just feels different

[jaunty anvil]

also hi ax big dan

[weary root]

I am also a bid ax dan

[jaunty anvil]

@weary root yea i think ur right

im guessing the way the buffer works is different

[weary root]

it's something you get used to eventually

[short spire]

thanks i was actually in need of some dans

350 fps on 1221 should be more than good enough

i get like 150-200 most of the time

[jaunty anvil]

yeah it must just b like a buffer thing

like it's not just me who thinks the feel is differnt ?

[weary root]

definitely not, switching between the two is noticeable

[twin swallow]

it's a totally different game

[jaunty anvil]

yeah i guess i just get used to it n keep on grinding :>

thanks friends

[old sphinx]

350fps on 1221 might be even too high

Baldur rolls are too short with that framerate

[true palm]

is it just my computer, or does dark deepnest just tank fps on 1.2.2.1

Everything else runs fine, but the final room before distant village, my frames just die on the final ground collapse

[short spire]

that's certainly unusual

[true palm]

Its kind of annoying, lost a run to dying cuz i couldnt pogo the spikes

[weary root]

Are you streaming or recording?

[true palm]

So i do record, but it happens even when im practicing

without recording

i can have nothing open on my computer

besides hollow knight

it only happens when i dont have lantern

it doesnt get any worse when i have other things open

[weary root]

Do you have a clip of it happening?

[fair island]

maybe you can turn down your resolution during that part

[true palm]

No but i can make one if you give me a minute

i just wanna finish up some beast den practice

[true palm]

K

so heres what it is without lantern

https://streamable.com/cu3ju9

Specifically when the final ground breaks my game freezes up, and sometimes the fps drops until i leave the room

[weary root]

This is on 1221?

[true palm]

yup

i did that run on debug for ease, but the same thing happens unmodded

[stray kestrel]

Does your game have issues in the thk fight too?

[true palm]

occasionally, but its a lot less noticable

[weary root]

best option might be to do what you did here and not let it break, seems like a consistent set up if you use the foreground webs as a guide for when to jump

[stray kestrel]

Hmm, try running the game with dx9, that helped my game performance and it could possibly help yours

[true palm]

oki doki

like its not a big deal, i just wanted to make sure my game wasnt broken or something

[stray kestrel]

It's not an end-all-be-all fix necessarily, it might be worse but it's something to try

[weary root]

1221 has a bunch of things that'll cause your game to lag like this - breaking False Knight's wall for example

[stray kestrel]

But if you can work around it then that's simpler I guess

[true palm]

false knights wall is a lot less rough, its really just this one that gets me

ill focus on not letting it break

[stray kestrel]

But also yea 1221 is kings jank

[dusk portal]

Is there actually a consistent setup in 4MS to pogo the fly to grab the second mask shard? Because it dies 1/5 of the time in my case

[stray kestrel]

Yea I try to stay on top of the goams while the vengefly is aggroed on me

Usually 2 pogos on the right goam and three on the other two to slowly lure it to the opening

This probably isn't the fastest strat but it works and means I don't need to shade skip in rando

[dusk portal]

By pogoing? In my case, I "die" on the spikes so I respawn at the entrance of the room and he is above the Goams for some reason, I just need to lure it near the entrance to pogo it. The problem is that sometimes the fly dies to the first goam when I respawn

[fair island]

i find this to be consistent. basically i try to go to the edge of the right goam before it pops up so i can immediately pogo it when it does come up. if the timing is right you should be able to get 3 pogos on the right and middle goam.

(and also if you dont suck like me you can pogo on the left goam and get to the lower ledge and the jump up)

[short spire]

are you playing in an empty sewer tunnel or something

the reverb on this is insane

[normal aspen]

u can do ciplax goams and then just pogo

[fair island]

my music is like on 4/10 and the sound is 10/10

[worldly willow]

Hey so I have really have enjoyed watching people's speed runs and want to start getting into it but most speed runners are on pc while I am on ps4 are there things I should know before hand like changes from pc to ps4 and even help on the topic in general

[normal aspen]

PS4 speedruns are on current patch, so some things dont work. YOu can watch current patch runs for inspiration and to see strats

[worldly willow]

oh alright that sounds good thank you

[short spire]

the leaderboard also has a section specifically for console runs

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight#Console_Runs

[worldly willow]

this will help a lot I appreciate it

[meager current]

also you use real time for console runs

[worldly willow]

real time? like no stops during pause screens?

[meager current]

ye

[worldly willow]

oh alright

[frigid rapids]

it's not that, it's weird, it almost sounds like you capture the audio twice or it's saturating a lot

[fair island]

yea i did capture audio twice. its a screen recording of the screen recording

[frigid rapids]

i'm kinda puzzled, why would you do that?

[fair island]

i uploaded this run like 5 days ago to YouTube and then deleted it from my laptop. And then i wanted a 10 second clip from it so i didn't bother downloading from YouTube and trimming it and instead just screen recorded the section i wanted

[frigid rapids]

oh so it's not actully captured twice

i meant captured twice as "at the same time", which would create such an echoing effect

[hearty adder]

You ever just want to start learning a new category instead of practicing the ones you're already running

[verbal junco]

just make a new category

[long lichen]

I barely have the patience to learn a run. I got through 2 splits of any% last night, and started a new file to finally get all the cheevos.

[small magnet]

If I keep failing dream platforms I'm about to go for WR uninstall%

[hearty adder]

If I combine all the cats I run into one run I might as well just run 1xx%

[verbal junco]

100 grimms category extension when

[small magnet]

I just wanted to do runs this morning, but my heat isn't working and my fingers are being all stupid and cold OwO

[thorn jasper]

I have fingerless gloves for such occasions, highly recommend

[normal aspen]

I have living in a heccin hot country for that

[thorn jasper]

It's also summer for you 🥵

[normal aspen]

Even in winter it works pretty good

But yeah 40C today

[small magnet]

I live in South USA. Very rare for us to get below freezing for any length of time, but weather is doing weather things

[hollow mesa]

TN resident here, my car door froze shut yesterday

I need to warm it up for work in like ten minutes I just want it to not be frozen again lol

I left Idaho to get away from the cold lol

I mean, it’s been like -5 C the last few days, which is unusually cold for the southern US

[whole rivet]

DDQ (Daily Dumbass Question): is there a tutorial to learn mantis explosion pogo for console?

[hearty adder]

The current patch explosion pogo guides would work

https://youtu.be/uztaN_toC_U

[whole rivet]

ty

[hollow mesa]

Update: car is not frozen today

[small magnet]

Yeah, I just moved to North Georgia from Chicago. I threw away my winter coats. Why do I now need a winter coat.

[hollow mesa]

Great Lakes weather

[mental kiln]

Hello my first ever full run of hollow knight is 1:40:56, but my audio crashed would you accept the run?

[dry sluice]

run needs game audio throughout for verification

[mental kiln]

That's very sad😢

[thorn jasper]

perfect excuse to do a faster run

[mental kiln]

Good idea😀

[stark pumice]

That's what a TAS of NMG would look like I guess: https://streamable.com/chg72p

[harsh mason]

i think some of the things people complained about was menuing and load durations

[thorn jasper]

• I'm loving all the backslashes
• A running timer would be cool to see

[small magnet]

I like that vengefly pogo. Looks faster if you get a far left spawn than trying to pull that little bugger back over to the right

[granite field]

alright time for us to learn the backslashes

[harsh mason]

you missed #hk-meme

[granite field]

wdym

[hearty adder]

Those backslashes are so good

[sonic crane]

This looks rta viable, is it not?

[granite field]

this one especially seems actually not that hard to do

before the planks

since you turnaround anyway

[sonic crane]

What’s the time gain on a slash compared to walking?

[harsh mason]

dunno if that one really saves anytime

as you're waiting to go up anyway

[granite field]

yeah same tbh but if it does it can be interesting

[hearty adder]

if you manage to not walk back too much when doing the backslashes, then probably

the vengefly pogo looks doable

especially for us people with bad pcs who have to wait longer for the vengefly to come to us

[twin swallow]

that ledge cancel after the breakable floor is cool

[granite field]

I mean my brain is always on "let's wait the vengefly to come to us" but yeah if it's too far on the left that seems better I think

[frigid rapids]

if you do it late enough you might still have the boost once you cleared the ledge, in a similar way to the backslash strat to reach the ledge at the end of the first fungal room

[short spire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjwXaLLdlcc here's a comparison if anyone else was curious

looks like it gets to the black screen at 50.56

nice

although my timer moves .02 after the first frame of black screen

so 50.58 might be more accurate?

i started the comparison from the ground obviously because cp difference

[granite field]

can't believe Ax2u is only doing that to flex on his KP world record 😤 || jk of course ||

[maiden bane]

It looks like it loses some ground at the vengefly pogo

[frigid rapids]

yeah definitely

too bad the rng you have with libTAS forced you to reach for the mosquito in the middle of the room, Kilaye

but it looks dope for sure

[hearty adder]

KP is basically the most optimized room in the game anyways, a TAS would probably yield more drastic results at later rooms

[thorn jasper]

TAS beast's den

[short spire]

it's a good .2 aheadbefore vengefly pogo

[frigid rapids]

the most scrutinised room maybe, but it's definitely not the most optimised room in the game

[short spire]

49 still seems unlikely even with tas tho

[frigid rapids]

<@&283547423706447872>

[short spire]

<@&283547423706447872>

[granite field]

please go to hk-memes

[short spire]

dang

snailed

[frigid rapids]

🐌

[plucky moss]

thanks

[frigid rapids]

thanks Sonia

[thorn jasper]

IFLTHKDM

[limpid ruin]

ifls

no

[winged lava]

thank

[limpid ruin]

only sonia

[hearty adder]

TAS Dark Deepnest

[limpid ruin]

[plucky moss]

iflcasam

and davy too because he's probably cool

[strong vessel]

TAS p5

[winged lava]

yea

[hallow orchid]

TAS of white palace would be pretty cool to see

p5 has already been TAS'd

[thorn jasper]

this has been done. someone less lazy post link plz

[granite field]

does white palace have any rng? (or inconsistances)

[limpid ruin]

but l think the KP TAS couldve snuck in a couple more turnaround, especially hte statue pogo spot?

[hallow orchid]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/av798776361

[fair island]

The king's mould and wings mould?

[limpid ruin]

load cycles are rng through differences between differnet PCs

[granite field]

oh yes maybe

[hallow orchid]

yeah I think some cycles are load dependent

[winged lava]

ah yea yikes

[limpid ruin]

also davy 🥴-reacted to me, so yea seems cool

[dark blaze]

Is there a comsob for ILs

Looking specifically for a p5 Comsob, other than monstahs video

[thorn jasper]

p5 comsob might be weird because it would depend on soul maintenance to follow anyway

[dark blaze]

Yeah, i realised that but may as well see it just to nab small strats

[hallow orchid]

I haven't heard of a p5 comsob, though monstah does have the video of all his golds in a row, which I assume is what you were referencing

[limpid ruin]

a lot of optimised p5 strats are in the chinese community as well, unfortunately

(unfortunately in terms of communication barriers)

[short spire]

i cant believe cerpin hates blackmoon

[limpid ruin]

i dont hate blackmoon, i hate how blackmoon selfishly hides their strats for free wr 😤

literally lobbying their government in to censoring their internet as an excuse to not communicate with us 😤

[short spire]

😔

[dark blaze]

😔

[winged lava]

😔

[rugged crow]

[true hound]

wait there are no all skills tournament races today?

[thorn jasper]

correct

[dark blaze]

Sad

[true hound]

unfortunate

[low bramble]

but we have a cp race tmrw

[pastel mortar]

is custom knight allowed in any% nmg?

or does it just not work in 1221

[fair island]

no mods allowed

[pastel mortar]

ah i see

[fair island]

except for the modded category (obviously)

[dark blaze]

Ok i found a playlist of blackmoons golds

[rugged crow]

modding api changes how the game works. also mod installer only works on cp

[dark blaze]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1q54y1x7r7?from=search&seid=6589202708327921412

[pastel mortar]

kk, thx

do i have to uninstall or will it just work on a previous patch

[stark pumice]

the turnaround slash saves 2 frames

[fair island]

Mod installer or mods?

[pastel mortar]

mod installer

[stuck raptor]

the installer isn't installed anywhere

it's just a program that runs

no need to "uninstall" it

[pastel mortar]

understood

[frigid rapids]

two physics frames or displayed frames (i would guess the tas runs the game at 60fps)?

[grizzled maple]

just a warning though. if you have a downpatched set of files active like 1221, and try to open the modinstaller it will ruin your 1221 files

[pastel mortar]

oh wow

[winged lava]

lets go I figured out to downpatch to 1221

[pastel mortar]

thx for letting me know

[stuck raptor]

it'll only ruin your 1221 files if that file path is selected for it to install to

[fair island]

Another thing you should know it 1.2.2.1 performs worse than cp

So keep that in mind

[stuck raptor]

if you use the multiple installed patches method, you can still use the installer for your CP version and keep the downpatched version completely separate

[grizzled maple]

Yeah I had it happen once and needed to yoink someone else's assembly driver. I thought I had cp and opened modinstaller to remove a mod but it was 1221

[stark pumice]

display frames

I noticed the physics framerate is lower because of dropped inputs, how much is it?

[dry sluice]

50

[frigid rapids]

it's 50 yeah

that's why runners disable vsync and have a much higher framecap set up externally through another software

[winged lava]

gotta love all the downloads for speedrunning

[stark pumice]

A TAS would benefit using a multiple of the physics framerate

like 100 fps

[stuck raptor]

if that stayed consistent through loads, sure

[fair island]

Since the turn around slash saves 2 frames, would running at a higher frame rate save less time?

[harsh mason]

its physics frames

[stark pumice]

I guess it would save ~2 physics frames whatever the display framerate is?

[harsh mason]

is it 2 frames of updates?

[frigid rapids]

at a higher display framerate it would just save more displayed frames

[harsh mason]

i.e. did the character move 2 times

because thats a physics frame

[stark pumice]

?

When set at 60fps, the character moves at 60 fps

[harsh mason]

it shouldn't

it should only move once every 0.02 seconds

[stark pumice]

Isn't there some sort of interpolation?

[harsh mason]

shouldnt be

some stuff is like particles

but actual entities should only move on physics updates

[stark pumice]

That's not what I'm seeing

currently running at 400 fps, and the character is moving a bit every frame

[harsh mason]

movement is physics cycles

it should only change once every 0.02 seconds

triggers and collisions should also only occur once every 0.02 seconds

[frigid rapids]

this should be visible on footage, right?

[shrewd oracle]

Sorry if this isn't the right place, but does randomizer 3.10 have dark deepnest with no lantern in logic?

[stuck raptor]

if you have dark rooms setting on, yes

[shrewd oracle]

Ah it's a setting then, thanks

[stark pumice]

Yes I guess, with vsync off and a high framerate capture

[thorn jasper]

chat in #randomizer by doing ?rank Randomizer Racer

if you want

[harsh mason]

cant you just frame advance

by 0.01 seconds

like 10 times

[shrewd oracle]

Oh I thought I needed to have speedrunner role for that, thanks a lot been looking for that

[harsh mason]

but running the game at like 1/100th speed, it only updates once every 2 seconds

so a 1/1 speed it should be 0.02 seconds

[gleaming gorge]

When exiting Kings Pass, is it faster to menu drop or jump normally for console?

[verbal stag]

menu drop is slower

[gleaming gorge]

Ty

[frigid rapids]

but even with a 60fps framerate footage, you should be able to see the knight stay in place for one frame if what Katie said was correct, right? cause i've been looking at footages and i can't seem to notice such a stutter when watching frame by frame

[stark pumice]

It can be tight to physics, but be later interpolated in the draw cycle

I also notice that the sprite animation changes outside the physics cycle

[harsh mason]

its tk2d

oh it does interp, but its not actually real

its not actually running physics, its just extrapolating your last motion

it also doesn't do any collision checks, except walls for some reason

[haughty fossil]

based channel list

[harsh mason]

plenty of things also seem to not be extrapolated atleast at this extreme timescale, like enemies and projectiles

but that could just be the game not being coded to handle it

[frigid rapids]

so here you can just walk over the gap because there are no physics frame ran while you're above it?

[harsh mason]

yes, it doesn't update my physics at all

[frigid rapids]

that's fun

[harsh mason]

its just applying my last motion

if jumping wasn't bugged i'd also fly off into the sky

its also why i can go oob just by walking to the left

the game just teleports me to the otherside of the trigger

but its interping my position

[dry sluice]

what did you do to get that

I wish there were some way to do that in game thats sick

[frigid rapids]

physics framerate is set to zero

[harsh mason]

set my frametime to 2

            Time.fixedDeltaTime = 2f;
            Time.maximumDeltaTime = 2f;

[true hound]

do you do dark deepnest in all skills?

[prime delta]

yes

[twin swallow]

only the (relatively) comfy part though

[true hound]

i may have to reconsider

[haughty fossil]

it's really not too hard to learn tbh, there are like 20 places to line yourself up with

[prime delta]

yeah dark deepnest to beast's den from the top isn't actually that bad

[forest latch]

Waiting for my run to get verified
Anyways, dark deepnest sounds scary in a speedrun tbh, so many time losses just waiting for you

[fair island]

i tried learning it yesterday, it took me like 20-30 mins

[granite field]

what run did you submitted Shady?

[fair island]

its sounds worse than it is

[granite field]

Oh cool. Well, congrats

[twin swallow]

there are over 150 times for cp any% now? damn

[forest latch]

Yeah I had a massive time loss at Watcher Knights, but I'm still proud of it

Took me 20 minutes to beat them

[dark blaze]

Thank you uumuu

[twin swallow]

any% watcher knights are probably the biggest stumbling block for new runners

[granite field]

Don't worry WK is a big wall

[twin swallow]

don't feel bad, we've all been there

[swift ore]

watcher knights body me

[granite field]

Took me about 30 min to beat them the first any%

[forest latch]

Yeah I decided to not take the aggressive approach after dying like.. 10 times I think?

[carmine yew]

Your run is basically next up in the queue, we should get to it soon

[forest latch]

Oh shit, really?

[carmine yew]

Yup

There's just a ton of runs rn

[bronze anchor]

I'm supposed to be practicing a different speedgame but all I can think about is working on HK, hopelessly addicted rn

[forest latch]

One of us.

Anyways, that's good to know!

[small magnet]

Such a mood

I feel like once I hit my sub 40 I'll be more willing to maybe do other things with my time. But, I suspect once I hit that goal I'll just have another goal that I feel a compulsion to achieve

[carmine yew]

?saves

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[sick raven]

@carmine yew, you left Randomizer Racer.

[dark blaze]

So whenever I launch OBS, this pops up. I press yes and it updated but then it relaunches and just keeps asking

Does anyone know how to stop it?

[grizzled maple]

updating it

[dark blaze]

I pressed yes but it just keeps coming back

[grizzled maple]

not sure why that would happen. that's livesplit btw, not obs

[dark blaze]

oh my bad

I rebooted it and my PC but am unsure

[grizzled maple]

i've never heard of issues with livesplit updates

[fair island]

Maybe try saving the current splits you have and then deleting the current Livesplit and downloading the latest one from their website

[dark blaze]

Alr

[fair island]

your gonna have to redo settings and layout again tho

[snow dome]

You can save layout

[dark blaze]

I had it saved yeah

[snow dome]

Settings are saved somewhere I'm sure I saw them somewhere when I was backing everything up the other week.

[dark blaze]

alright seems like that worked, thanks

[elder gale]

https://clips.twitch.tv/HonorableInquisitiveTubersTBTacoLeft-RcVwsbqtXgZxH-7W is that pure rng or something I did there

Never seen that

I mean the part where I dont get hard fall

I kind of overreacted becouse I didnt see that coming

[digital jewel]

pure rng

[elder gale]

Lol

Dum game

[dry sluice]

enormous livesplit

[winged lava]

I need help with version 1.2.2.1 my game is running at 13-15 fps when I meet the requirements with all of the settings

[haughty fossil]

1221 is horribly optimised, its understandable if your pc isn't that good

[winged lava]

well a ryzen 5 3600x and 1660 super should be enough right?

[haughty fossil]

that should be enough yes

[thorn jasper]

turn down blur quality and particle effects? (one of those might be missing on 1221 idk)

[winged lava]

im not sure why, I have turned of vsync and particles low, turned down res, and mess around in geforce and still 15 fps

ill try unistalling the downpatch and redownload it

does it have to do anything with the depotdowloader?

[stray kestrel]

my go-to suggestion is running it with dx9 which works some of the time

[winged lava]

ok ill try it

I was reinstalling when it says download failled error writing chunk for blah blah blah sharedassets30.assets.resS

[strong vessel]

Does anyone know why, when downpatched, the inventory and pause menu just get this grid over them?

It doesn't always happen

I can't figure out what causes it

[digital jewel]

grid over them?

[strong vessel]

Yeah

I don't know if I can reproduce it

Let me try though

Didn't work

Idk

[limpid ruin]

<@&283547423706447872>

[plucky moss]

thanks

[limpid ruin]

Thank

[steady lynx]

Huh?

Did the trolls come back again?

[slim oxide]

@cloud siren I think you accidentally posted in the wrong chat. Twitch links go in #livestreams. Thanks!

[limpid ruin]

I came back, sorry

[cloud siren]

Omg sorry

That's the second time I did that

My bad I'm real sorry

[knotty vigil]

curious, would a steel soul any% run done on xb1 go in the console runs category, or the steel soul any% category?

[grizzled maple]

Depends. You can submit console to the pc board, it'll just be rta and much slower than the others. Theres no steel soul console category though.

Generally categories are added by demand once theres several verifiable runs and no one has run that for console.

[strong vessel]

All skills honestly looks harder than any%

Maybe the upgraded spells help a lot, but I don't want to fight Hornet 2 with 5 masks at all lol

[grizzled maple]

Theres isma skips and hornet 2 but most of the run is MUCH easier than any%

[carmine yew]

It’s a bit longer, but hornet 2 is way easier than any% watcher knight and probably THK as well

[grizzled maple]

Also you have ddark for iframes so if you play safe she's not that bad

[strong vessel]

The spike tunnel looks hard but I've done the isma's acid skips

That's true

I also don't like the Crystal Peak dark room but I'll probably have to learn how to do it eventually if I want to do like any other category than any%

[carmine yew]

It’s all up to you which category to learn as long as you have fun with it

[grizzled maple]

Theres a lot of resources for both so whatever you go with we have you covered :)

[strong vessel]

Would you say that it's worth it to learn all skills?

At least once I get bored of any%

[grizzled maple]

If you have the time absolutely learn it over any%

[twin swallow]

if you like movement, yes

[knotty vigil]

it’s not record breaking or anything, just thought the run was cool enough to submit anyway, appreciate it!

[twin swallow]

all skills has cool movement

[strong vessel]

1-cycling Uumuu looks really enticing tbh

[twin swallow]

if more people run console steel soul in the future for it to get it's own board, it can always be moved

[strong vessel]

That alone might make me do it

[knotty vigil]

yea, the category is very daunting though so it’ll be some time

[hearty adder]

I started running AS very recently and I definitely feel it's much more beginner-friendly than any%

It's a little longer but also you're way more buff, the scariest thing is Hornet 2 and Crystal Peaks existing imo

Lately I've been feeling neither any% nor All Skills are for me any% is challenging but too short and straightforward, AS doesn't feel as challenging on the bosses but it feels more rewarding from all the pickups

[digital jewel]

true ending

[maiden bane]

All Charm Notches has lots of pickups

[digital jewel]

why is that a grubthink

true ending is longer and more challenging than both

and still gets a lot of movement

[hearty adder]

I didn't mean it in a bad way

I am heavily considering

[maiden bane]

Unironic thinking emoji, yltsi

[hearty adder]

Thinking unironically

[grizzled maple]

Aw heck is that max

[upper galleon]

bruh i am bad at the game i can only get a 47 rip me

[true palm]

Low% THK actually sucks, really struggling to not get hit by the infection spit attack, and to get double hits. Feel like at least with Watcher Knights, the guides for Any% still really helped with the fight (theres only one change to the basic damage pattern, a pogo instead of a dash), but THK feels really bad without dash

[upper galleon]

Uh I would recommend getting really good at pogo

That’s how I did it

[cloud spear]

blackmoon often searchs "blackmoon" here to see some topics about himself.he never said anything because his English is not good，but he didnt miss any message people here said about him,and today he also mentioned what you said.

[cloud spear]

my English is poor too，but maybe you could understand what isaid

[stiff delta]

Lowkey your english is better than mine

[limpid ruin]

I meant it 100% as a joke, I hope that was clear

[cloud spear]

he dont mind，don't care too much

[limpid ruin]

If it wasn't clear, I'm very sorry and will make sure to be much clearer in the future 🥴

thank you for telling though, its actually really cool that you folks come here as well, even if its just reading

[cloud spear]

and he also understands you are joking，dont care too much

I'm just here to report what blackmoon has been doing

[uneven scarab]

:3

[cloud spear]

[topaz heart]

blackmoon is a god gamer

[cloud spear]

yeah,i agree.im a crazy fan of blackmoon

[orchid pawn]

👀

[leaden python]

blackmoon is a god gamer, I've watched his stream on bilibili the other day

[pure vault]

blackmoon you’re cool

[thorn jasper]

blackmoon notice me uwu

[dusk timber]

why you gotta expose blackmoon like that

[normal aspen]

wtf cerp bullying the international community

[orchid pawn]

I prefer darkluna

[crisp plinth]

[dusk timber]

saved

[limpid ruin]

Blackmoon = darkluna? 👀

[cloud spear]

yeah

[normal aspen]

wasnt darkluna the non 1424 nail art alt before they split into different categories?

[hollow mesa]

Blackmoon too good

[exotic thunder]

the legend

[hollow mesa]

Honestly, let him/her/them know that their pantheon runs are incredible

[stiff delta]

hey can you ask them if they want to play rock paper scissors, but they make the first move

[hollow mesa]

Always throw rock

[cloud spear]

Most Chinese players see the achievements（for example any％nmg speedrun），are also incredible

in Chinese community，godhome is more popular so that too many player did lots of practice in godhome

[hollow mesa]

tbf I run 112% because I like godhome so much

That being said the reason I don’t have a completed 112% is also because I like godhome so much it’s all I practice

I rarely have the time to do a full 112% attempt

[cloud spear]

many Chinese player could finish p5 allbindings，but some of them don’t even know where to go if they leave godhome

[pure vault]

it seems like the chinese community really likes when something is compartmentalized and they can focus on 1 thing, like Pantheons or PoP

not overall game stuff

[cloud spear]

stool is the only one who finished PoP quickly and in speedrun.com

[leaden solstice]

I heard blackmoon is talking about here

I'm Black Moon's number one fan

[cloud spear]

stool is also mentioned here just now

[leaden solstice]

Anyway, I admire Black Moon

[cloud spear]

anyway，stool is a god gamer，too

[leaden solstice]

Don’t say that, you are also one of the strongest players in the Chinese community

Although proper modesty is a good thing

[cloud spear]

No, my level is still much worse.为什么要用英语交流呢，我直接stool永远滴神

[leaden solstice]

Because the rules of this community are so stipulated, even if my English level is poor, I have to use Google Translate to do so, unfortunately

[cloud spear]

oh，im sorry

[stable flint]

the rules make sense, even if they do suck sometimes

[cloud spear]

What I told to Stool in Chinese just now was just a joke，I still know to follow the rules here

[stable flint]

i know, im jsut saying in general.

[warm spade]

welp

runs didn’t go well

none made it to even hornet

i love my horrible horrible computer that can’t run a game and record at the most optimized setting possible at the same time

i’m gonna blame lag instead of admitting i’m bad at the game lmao

[stiff delta]

Thinking of building a worse pc just to have the option to john

[warm spade]

dude you don’t want lag

not lag this bad

people haven’t even heard of what i’ve dealt with

[leaden python]

you'd be surprised 🙂

[stray kestrel]

bad pc is optimal for uumuu rng?

[leaden python]

back in mah days..... 🧓

[pure vault]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/293/268/0e9.png

[leaden python]

anyway, I had a really shitty computer in 2006, and TES 4: Oblivion just came out, and I really wanted to play it, so I worked hard and could finally afford to buy it. But then I realized that the best fps it could give me is 10fps at like minimum graphic settings. So I went out of my way to read all possible guides of how to speed up the games on shitty PCs. So I ended up tweaking shit tons of tgame ini settings, disabling all the background tasks, antiviruses and even explorer.exe on my Windows XP, which gave me amazing 15 fps. Which I deemed as playable and was the happiest boi ever

I haven't speedran it tho, of course

[knotty vigil]

5fps is a lot on a shitty pc

[leaden python]

yeah I think it had something to do with how windows xp rendered desktop, so killing explorer actually helped with fps

[knotty vigil]

I have no pc :(

[warm spade]

hollow knight mobile

[stray kestrel]

reading this made me very happy, thank you for sharing vali

[sonic crane]

640x480 low settings 20fps oblivion gang

[leaden python]

The best way to traverse the open world was by looking up or down constantly for better fps, and caves were the best friend cuz less lag

20fps rich kids smh

but yeah, that shit didn't even run if I tried 1024x768 or 800x600

[sonic crane]

i saved up for a new computer in like 2008 and the first ting i played was obilivion maxed out

[leaden python]

lmao absolutely the same. We worked with my brother and by the summer of 2008 we could afford a pretty powerful PC with our combined stonks, so the first things we played was Gothic3 and Oblivion maxed out. Best moments of our lives 😔

IIRC Crysis just barely came out then, and our PC was able to play it on high, which was super pog

[sonic crane]

i played crysis on 640 low haha

i think i tried it for a bit on high when i got my new computer but i had already played a bunch

[leaden python]

Good old days when AAA games were amazing

[sonic crane]

i only played on hardest because i didnt want english soldier voices but it was so hard 😔

[leaden python]

can't relate, I only played localized version where everybody spoke Russian

[stray kestrel]

good thing you speak russian then

[leaden python]

yeah truly a happy coincidence

[high hawk]

Welp time for true ending low percent that's gonna be... fun

Does that even count as a speedrun?

[short spire]

make sure to use the grey prince route

[high hawk]

Wait true low percent has a route?

[short spire]

how would we know what the % is if there wasn't

[high hawk]

I mean yeah but I didn't think anyone would actually route that kind of run

[haughty fossil]

GPZ route is a theoretical route that we found was possible after skurry ran it that saves 12 hours of bird grinding

[high hawk]

Where would I find that route?

[stray kestrel]

skurry's youtube probably has the most useful information in one place

[short spire]

at the part where skurry didnt kill grey prince zote you instead kill grey prince zote

[haughty fossil]

same as skurry's video, but take a break from bird farming to save zote and do colo 1, but quit out before you get the % from colo

[short spire]

theres a pastebin route probably somewhere for the whole routr

[stray kestrel]

here's skurry's video if you dont want to put effort into reading https://youtu.be/gXjYs7-rydA

[fair island]

what is the trigger for the colo %?

[short spire]

charm notch

[high hawk]

Was anyone else besides skurry stupid enough to do what I'm about to do as well?

[short spire]

hes the only one who's done it segmented afaik

no ones done a full single segment run

[high hawk]

Yeah no way I'm doing that in a single sitting

[stray kestrel]

if you're planning on doing an unsegmented run, probably prepare about eight seven 5 hour energy packs

[haughty fossil]

avg run length is like 33 hours

[stray kestrel]

how would a coop run be handled

[short spire]

i mean ive been awake for like 40+ hours before simply due to not being in the mood to sleep

should be pretty easy to stay up that long if you have an actual reason to

[stray kestrel]

so ax it sounds to me like you are interested in running this

[short spire]

[stray kestrel]

just imagine the sheer amount of copypastas that can be created during that stream

[high hawk]

I'm assuming there's no where to submit this kinda run?

[stray kestrel]

its not on the leaderboards

[slate wind]

So what is a good way to practice speed running in HK?

[stray kestrel]

debug mod and savestates

[slate wind]

I just finished a steel soul run and I feel I wanna try to no glitch speed run

[stray kestrel]

nice, you probably want to start with any% or all skills

or at least most people do

[slate wind]

All skills?

[stray kestrel]

getting all the spells, nail arts and abilities etc

[slate wind]

Ah okay

[stray kestrel]

except no dreamgate or woke nail

[haughty fossil]

apart from dreamgate

[slate wind]

That’s a good intro?

Cause I’ve gotten hornet down to 10 minutes idk if that’s good or not

[stray kestrel]

all skills is more movement-focused, any% has tougher bosses

[slate wind]

Ah okay

[stray kestrel]

so depends on what you prefer

if you havent already, watch a run or two of each (or maybe other categories that interest you)

[slate wind]

Ah okay

Also which is better mouse and keyboard or controller

[high hawk]

like low true percent

[haughty fossil]

your preference

lots of top runners use both

[slate wind]

Okay

I wanna get my hornet time down to 5 minutes or less

[stray kestrel]

top runner's times picking up dash are around the 7:45-8 minute range iirc

[slate wind]

Oh shit so I’m over shooting by a lot

So my time isn’t bad rn

[high hawk]

So out of pure curiosity what would I have to do to get speedrunner role?

[stray kestrel]

i mean for not having done a speedrun i'd say that's a pretty good time, with practice, shouldnt be too bad to get it to an 8:xx

[silk mist]

Us

[slate wind]

Cool

[stray kestrel]

have a run verified on the leaderboard

[high hawk]

So true low wouldn't count?

[silk mist]

Ok good to no

[stray kestrel]

i mean if it was not segmented you could submit it as just a regular true ending run

[high hawk]

Aight how many 5 hour energies do I need

[stray kestrel]

like seven or eight

ask your doctor™ tho

[slate wind]

I would be practicing rn but I have work tomorrow

[high hawk]

Would true low actually be approved if submitted and not segmented to true ending?

[stray kestrel]

i dont see why not as long as it fulfills the requirements and follows the rules

[high hawk]

Whoooo dead last here I come

This is so dumb but I love just the concept of it

[sonic crane]

if people actually run a category extension that increases the chances of a leaderboard being added afaik

[high hawk]

I mean I am person not people and highly doubt more people will run true low

[haughty fossil]

issue for low te is that it's so long it basically can only be run segmented, which we have no system to handle currently

theoretically you could just look at how botw 100% is handled, but its a lot of effort for a meme category

plus some poor srcom mod would have to pretend to watch it

[high hawk]

I mean as soon as I get a chance to run low te im gonna just submit it as a te since no rule says I can't

[haughty fossil]

the rule saying a run must have single segment video proof would probably pose an issue to you

[high hawk]

Unless I stream it all

And don't segment it

[haughty fossil]

gl with vs only radiance after 30 hours of bird farming

[high hawk]

This is gonna be torture but fuck it

And I mean I would only loose time to radience but no point in time saves with this run

But eventually if I bash my head into radience enough eventually radience will die and I'll have the slowest te

[meager current]

Non segmented low te with birds seems like hell to verify

[high hawk]

I mean at least I'll also have world record on non segmented low te

[serene coral]

sweet, got a verified run, ty Skurry

request blue role

gonna aim for sub-45 before i submit again

[snow dome]

Post a link

[serene coral]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/y66n596y

[fair island]

Scurry did around 44 hours total and you'd have to grind 1/3rd less essence. So total might be 30 32ish hours

[high hawk]

Jamie's estimate came to like 33 hours

Wait would a non segmented run still count as non segmented if I left the game on and slept?

Like if I left the game and timer on

[granite field]

yeah sure

but I think there is some rules that allows you to rest every X hours and stop the timer? I might be totally wrong though

[high hawk]

I mean low te isn't a category I'm gonna have to submit it under normal te

So unless that's also unnecessarily in te than probably not

[snow dome]

That's how the first Low% was done

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5BXbyPzYIc

Skurry just up in here cutting the wr in half, yltsi

[leaden python]

this is regular low%, not low% te

[snow dome]

wat

Why is it 95h?

[weary root]

This run had the timer going continuously so veru could sleep and didn't have lost kin for free

[leaden python]

NSOOB means no storage out of bounds, so it's not nmg

[weary root]

cause he needed dreamgate to skip watchers

[snow dome]

Oh, I see

So you can use Dream Gate to skip %'s?

I saw the bird farming and assume it was just like not labelled well on YouTube

[weary root]

with glitches you can yeah :p

[short spire]

even if it was the right category, this would still be the wr as the only leaderboard valid run

but yeah this was the nsooob record before hoobs were found

[weary root]

watchers are 1% but so is dream wielder, what else does dreamgate help skip?

[normal aspen]

there was a skip that let u get past watchers but they couldnt get back and so they needed dgate to get back

[short spire]

you can avoid picking up dream wielder with storage

[weary root]

sick

[short spire]

so dgate doesnt ultimately give you any %

[normal aspen]

sick til u accidentally do it on claw

[short spire]

in glitched runs

[weary root]

Was it the same elevator storage trick we use in TE AG?

[normal aspen]

ngl no clue that was well before my tinme

[dreamy bough]

looking at the last vid, it's a bit different than in TE AG - because it's not current patch, there's an extra elevator to dodge. see https://youtu.be/hUhLvhXk2f4?t=6813

[whole rivet]

just... why?

[median gull]

what does hoobs stand for

[normal aspen]

hazard out of bounds

[median gull]

ty

[dusk portal]

Does doing small jumps in King's Pass makes you go faster than walking?

[median gull]

no

[true hound]

no, there's a small breakable object that people often pogo in king's pass as well, but that doesn't save any time as well (as far as I know)

[cyan vortex]

it saves time to jump in dirtmouth though

[zenith heart]

hi
I found this (quite short) leaderboard:
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/full_game#All_Achievements

Ax2u's hk version is incorrect though (1.4.3.2 instead of the displayed 1.2.2.1). Any idea where to report that "typo"?

[normal aspen]

smh my head allie

[dusk portal]

Any idea how the Shade spawn location works?

[normal aspen]

there are different shade spawn locations, and dependingon which zone you die in will impact what location your shade spawns at

if this is for the shade skip to blue lake and your shade ended up in the gruz mother arena u died too far left

[dusk portal]

No, just because one of my 112% speedrunner friend had his shade locked somewhere in Greenpath

[normal aspen]

you need ordered splits on for pantheon autosplits

no worries

[snow dome]

You'll also want End Triggering Auto Split ticked, too

[thorn jasper]

I told them about it last night, thanks!

[stiff delta]

?rank randomizer racer

[sick raven]

@stiff delta, you left Randomizer Racer.

[thorn jasper]

(In general you could always post here or ping speedrun.com mods)

[normal aspen]

(fixed)

[main bear]

Who is Snowleaf/Cotton

Like do they still have their videos on youtube?

[worthy garnet]

@main bear do you know them from fireborn? lmao

[main bear]

yeah lol i just saw his premier and wanted to know who he was

[worthy garnet]

yeah me too

anybody else know this snowleaf/cotton guy?

[spice cradle]

This is not the right channel, but I will give some context about the guy quickly. Snowleaf is a hollow knight player, and was considered one of the best players of this game. He is the guy who "defeated" Any Radiance, did Path Of Crazy and a bunch of difficult stuff. However recently it has been discovered that his p5 hitless run is fake, so he deleted the video. Now people dont know if his videos are legit or not.
Again, I dont think this is the right channel. This channel is for competitive speedrunning. If you want to, you can ping me on another channel to talk about it.

[worthy garnet]

oh thanks, and sorry about that

[true hound]

is it possible to crerate a 1.2.2.1 installation and a 1.0.2.8 installation with one copy of Hollow Knight on GoG?

[digital jewel]

GoG is drm-free. can't you just launch whatever files you want even without gog galaxy open?

[true hound]

what do you mean?

[digital jewel]

I don't understand the need to do anything special to achieve 2 different installs

[true palm]

So

just copy the folder the games in

[true hound]

because I want to try running all glitches any% but in case I don't lke it I want to keep my 1.2.2.1 modded and vanilla installation

[digital jewel]

so just make 3 different folders?

does that not work?

[true palm]

So in program files

there should be a folder called hollow knight

just rename that to Hollow Knight 1.2.2.1 or something

and then install it again

[true hound]

when I go to program files, there is GoG Galazy -> Games -> Hollow Knight, and I have a 1.2.2.1 install and a 1.2.2.1 modded install. how do I make another installation in 1.0.2.8?

[true palm]

So copy the entire Hollow Knight Folder

Or just rename that folder

either one