speedrunning

[harsh mason]

your own

[high kraken]

so if you chained multiple in a single frame by lowering the framerate?

[harsh mason]

            else if (this.cState.recoiling)
            {
                this.AffectedByGravity(false);
                this.rb2d.velocity = this.recoilVector;
            }

[high kraken]

does that mean it adds?

[harsh mason]

recoil is a coroutine

that sets it to a specific value

[high kraken]

but i thought if you were going faster then the speed adds?

[harsh mason]

ok and when you get hit by something

[high kraken]

oh ig you wouldnt be going faster if you just hit it with the nail it would be the same

wow thats really dumb holy shit that makes zero sense

[harsh mason]

do you move like red or pink

[small magnet]

yes

[loud jackal]

Pink?

[harsh mason]

no

like red

[loud jackal]

Of course

[haughty fossil]

let me guess, this is the reason for bad float

this.AffectedByGravity(false);

[harsh mason]

like jumping, it sets your velocity every frame until it ends

and also you're not affected by gravity, which is pointless and does nothing because of ^

[high kraken]

oh thats

dumb

[haughty fossil]

correct

welcome to the hollow knight speedrun community

[fair island]

If you were affected by gravity then it would look normal but since it isn't, it feels like a knock back

[loud jackal]

What is wrong with you people

[high kraken]

no i meant

[loud jackal]

Why did you decide to speedrun this

[high kraken]

its doing the same thing twice right

[harsh mason]

it wouldn't look normal

because it applies it every frame

[high kraken]

if it sets your vector

every frame

[harsh mason]

that affectbygravity does literally nothing

[high kraken]

why does it need to do gravity

yes

[harsh mason]

ill let you in on a little secret

this game is coded very badly

[high kraken]

wow i had no idea

very well kept secret

[harsh mason]

hey wanna know something else funny

[high kraken]

yes

[loud jackal]

Infinite number of monkeys

[harsh mason]

in the code that starts your recoil

it also has a gravity set

that also does nothing

[loud jackal]

But it’s unaffected by gravity?

???

[high kraken]

so it has a velocity thats already not affected by gravity

then also sets the gravity

[harsh mason]

ok so if i set a number to 1 every frame

[high kraken]

then tells it to ignore gravity

?

[harsh mason]

and gravity adds .25 to it every frame

how big is the number after 10 frames

1

[loud jackal]

1?

[harsh mason]

regardless of if gravity is enabled or not, because im repeatedly setting it to 1

[high kraken]

yes

big brain

[hearty adder]

hoping silksong is less spicy spaghetti

[high kraken]

hoping silksong isnt written in unity

[loud jackal]

Hoping silksong exists

[harsh mason]

jumping works the same way

[short spire]

silksong is written in unity

[harsh mason]

but doesn't set gravity

[short spire]

like 99% sure

[harsh mason]

🧠

it is in unity

[high kraken]

jank time

[harsh mason]

i mean unity has nothing to do with jank

you can make a game thats just as tasable as celeste natively in unity

[high kraken]

yeah i suppose so

imagine if the devs made hollow knight easy to tas

[harsh mason]

they dont even want you to be able to run fast in the air

because it could maybe allow skips

[high kraken]

run fast in the air?

[harsh mason]

sprintmaster only works on the ground

[high kraken]

bruh

[harsh mason]

because the extra distance from moving faster in the air might break the game

[high kraken]

the game is already broken

i dont understand the only people who would be affected is speedrunners

like why do they hate speedrunners?

[loud jackal]

Didn’t they include a couple skips just for speedruns?

[stuck raptor]

"hey guys, check out this sick metroidvania! Play it however you want!"
Speedrunners play how they want
"No, not like that"

[hearty adder]

there's a few skips that are left intentionally but the ones they didn't intend got nerfed hard

[fair island]

like the explosion pogo?

[hearty adder]

Like explosion pogo

And lever skips

[harsh mason]

the rules i believe are

if it makes our code look bad

it has to go

[high kraken]

is there literally just a 3f input lag for every input

[granite field]

I mean, even outside skips patched there is a ton of things you can still do with pogos, like I'm almost sure the early Mawlek entrance is one of the most probable "intentional" skips that they didn't patched (and it's an easy one though)

[harsh mason]

did you not expect input lag?

[high kraken]

idk

there isnt any in celeste and i didnt see why there would be here

why is there input lag?

[bitter moat]

I think code bad has been the answer to most questions so far

[high kraken]

okay i thought there mightve been an acc reason but ig not

[hearty adder]

you're expecting too much from this game

[harsh mason]

do you have vsync on

[high kraken]

me?

[harsh mason]

yeah

[high kraken]

idk is it on by default?

[harsh mason]

i cant remember if it has 2 or 3 frames of delay with it off

are you saying you press, it does nothing, it does nothing, it does input

or 3 nothing

[high kraken]

wait lemme check

[granite field]

in some mods the vsync option text is changed to "Input lag" option

[fair island]

does the game hard save at desolate dive?

[high kraken]

this one i think

which imo is still 3f since you can have it do it on the frame you press too

i will forever be proud i found mosquito skip in greenpath on my first time casual playthrough

it did completely fuck me over

[dire mantle]

Just a question: I'm stuck at ancestral mound because of a softlock when i get vengeful spirit. Does anyone know how to prevent that from happening? I'm on version 1.2.2.1

also does that go here

[harsh mason]

the frame the game does stuff and the frame you press aren't related

the game can run at 10000000fps, and stuff will only happen once every 0.02 seconds

[sonic crane]

#hk-help

[dire mantle]

ok ill ask tehre

[hearty adder]

yes

[high kraken]

you dont go slower during an upslash if you hold right do you?

[harsh mason]

herocontroller.instance.rb2d.velocity.x

[high kraken]

you can press up right to do it and just hold right

[harsh mason]

yes you move the same speed

[high kraken]

okay

[harsh mason]

but yes afaik inputs work like this
frame1: you press button
frame2: knight changes state
frame3: knight acts on changed state

which is why it does nothing for 2 frames

[high kraken]

okay

[harsh mason]

they could probably refactor the game to not have that delay

[high kraken]

seems overly convoluted

[harsh mason]

but that would require having a brain

not really

its a unity issue

unity does
physics then logic

[loud jackal]

This is so very spaghetti

[harsh mason]

frame 1, physics happen, logic happens (button pressed)
inputs polled between frame 1 and 2
frame 2, physics happen, logic happens (input is read here)
frame 3, physics happen (input is acted upon here), logic happens

[short spire]

hk input handling

[granite field]

Is this why higher fps makes inputs feels acting faster ?

[harsh mason]

at higher fps yeah, you might not have physics updates between polling and read

so you save a physics frame

[steady lynx]

That input handling is why PC players can't play on console

[dry sluice]

Ok this was like 8 billion weird tas questions ago but it is instant

[edgy comet]

Is there a known problem with markoth autosplit in pantheon of hallownest? For some reason killing him doesn't trigger split

[short spire]

instant horizontal acceleration is like half of why hk feels as good to control as it does even with the suboptimal input handling

[steady lynx]

Do you have GPZ?

The Markoth autosplit is likely loading the GPZ fight

[harsh mason]

i mean its not instant

it does take a frame or 2 to start

[short spire]

as instant as they were able to make it

[edgy comet]

I do not have GPZ in this file, no

[steady lynx]

Well, that's the issue then

[edgy comet]

So it should work if i switch the trigger to GPZ instead of markorth?

[steady lynx]

Not entirely sure, I just know that the Markoth split in P5 breaks without zote

[granite field]

I agree, It feels good to control and it's kind of easy to get used to. You can make pretty much quick decisions with it, including the turnarounds for fireball skips

4MS has both patches leaderboards but a lot of people run on current patch

[fair island]

there are like 13 (now 14)

[granite field]

One of the main difference from CP to 1221 on this cat is the mawlek scream skip, which is possible on both but you can't early hit mawlek if you've scream skipped on CP so that makes it useless (and, honestly easier to run without that in mind imo)

so both are good but I consider CP more interesting

yeah go for it, it's a pretty fun cat

[loud jackal]

it took me far too long to realise what cat meant

[dusk portal]

Hey, I have a little issue with Livesplit, when I select my splits file (.lss) it tells me "The selected file was not recognized as a splits file", any idea about how to fix it?

[steady lynx]

We're just talking about the movie

Cats

[loud jackal]

mhm

[fair island]

Prepare to be irritated by vengefly's annoying movement

[granite field]

gruzmom is a run killer too

[steady lynx]

4ms is just a quick rush of some very annoying RNG

[granite field]

that's a glorified slot machine with a bit of skills needed

[steady lynx]

That just describes this entire game

[granite field]

jokes asides, don't worry about RNG especially for your first runs

[steady lynx]

Perfect RNG is only a worry once you get to top 5

[granite field]

I think mawlek might be the first hard-ish part to get used to, I highly recommend to not going yolo until you're comfy with him. Same for gruzmom tbh, going yolo isn't a good idea

If you don't heal before gruzmom you'll probably have 1 or 2 maks usually

[strong vessel]

Can Uumuu be 2-cycled on current patch?

I can't seem to get it to stay in the middle platform

I've gotten pretty consistent at 3-cycling though, which is nice at least

Everything after crystal heart on my any% runs just kind of falls apart

[limpid ruin]

I hate it yet Ive put hundreds of hours in 😤 🙏

[haughty fossil]

i hate it yet i have over 1k 😤

[harsh mason]

i've put over 245280 hours into life

and i hate that game

[hardy crown]

The amount of hate you can feel for a game is directly proportional to the amount of hours you put into it

[uneven scarab]

So that's why I don't hate the game: I only have 400 hours and I don't run 1221

[haughty fossil]

running cp is a reason to hate the game too

[uneven scarab]

(my inputs don't just get eaten that way)

I mean

just run modded with qol on, best of both worlds

[limpid ruin]

Qol is horrible and gives control way too early, and 0 downtime so it's bad

[knotty vigil]

I have a question

Do i need monarch wings for the acid skip to isma's tear?

[fair island]

No

[knotty vigil]

Hm

[haughty fossil]

no, there is a guide pinned in #all-skills

[uneven scarab]

depends on what skip ur trying to do

[fair island]

You need cdash

[knotty vigil]

Ik but there is that one bit in the grove

[fair island]

One bit?

Maybe look at the all skills guide it may answer your question

[knotty vigil]

Aight

[dusk portal]

Have you got any idea to delete the modding API? Everytime I uninstall it with ModInstaller, it doesn't get deleted

[stray kestrel]

you can verify your install in steam or gog and that resets it to vanilla

[dusk portal]

Ok, thx!

[dusk portal]

Are there any settings to change to make an autosplit stop the timer?

[loud jackal]

at the end of a run or at a specific point in the run?

[dusk portal]

At the end of the run (I'm doing 4MS btw)

[frigid rapids]

yes

[neon island]

Yeah, you can make it stop on a certain split

[frigid rapids]

it's "end-triggering autosplit"

just check that option to make the autosplit end the timer

[fair island]

It's in edit splits and then settings

[dusk portal]

Found it, thanks!

[loud jackal]

whats 4ms?

[frigid rapids]

4 mask shards

[loud jackal]

is that a pantheon speedrun?

[fair island]

its a speed run to get a mask

[loud jackal]

oh

[fair island]

4 mask shard = 1 mask

[loud jackal]

oh yeah

i was thinking four masks like in the pantheons with bindings

[stark pumice]

I can answer some questions about HK running in libTAS if anyone interested

[fair island]

There was some one before

[frigid rapids]

eh eh, hi Kilaye

[stark pumice]

From my quick testings, it seems that it is 100% deterministic within a screen

it needs testing for between screens transitions

and intro/main menu/intro cutscene needs to advance slowly otherwise it desyncs in several spots

(I tested rng on slash against walls, which produces random animations)

and at last, the command-line option -force-gfx-direct is mandatory

[dry sluice]

still way too much in the way of nmms tas

[limpid ruin]

how insane does your turnarounds need to be

[turbid crystal]

Yo can someone explain how tf this happened, dont want it ever again

was on a pb lmao, like -3 min

[dry sluice]

just something weird that happens with elevators sometimes, don't think we know exact reason

[haughty fossil]

(don't wallcling when in the elevator btw)

[low bramble]

probably has something to do with you wallclinging in the elevator

🐌

[uneven scarab]

^

[dry sluice]

as an aside don't wallcling in the big elevator, not sure if it causes the camera thing but it can cause you to lose walljump if the transition happens while you're on the wall

[haughty fossil]

that isn't the issue here, but it can cause you to lose claw privilege

idk how to spell that

[turbid crystal]

Okay i see

tldr be normal

[low bramble]

tldr hollow knight 🍝

[turbid crystal]

Lmao, im trying to get sub 1hr, and if i didnt die to dash slash or spike tunnel that would've been it

and then magic happens

[stray kestrel]

tldr, once you hit the lever in the elevator, its a quick stretch break

[digital jewel]

it's a chat break

[meager current]

[turbid crystal]

you need to have an active chat first kek

[harsh mason]

you can use it to dm people

[turbid crystal]

fair

[high kraken]

is me acc trying to beat the game this time too offtopic?

[harsh mason]

!srpsa

wtf

[haughty fossil]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[harsh mason]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[high kraken]

dang

[loud jackal]

turns out actually practicing the any% route before jumping straight into a speedrun is probably a good idea

yep...

[steady lynx]

Me: "I'll do one attempt today"
Me: misses a platform in KP
Me: "Well, maybe tomorrow"

[turbid crystal]

a platform

[twin swallow]

only one? pfft, amateur.

[raven tinsel]

where can i find vods for tournament yesterday

[digital jewel]

yesterday?

it only started a few hours ago

[raven tinsel]

I see, found a stream on speedgaming, thanks

thought it was yesterday

if anyone else reading this and wondering: https://www.twitch.tv/speedgaming?twitch5=0

[grizzled maple]

yes, we are hosting it

[digital jewel]

https://www.youtube.com/c/SpeedGamingChannel/videos

they'll be uploaded here as well

[raven tinsel]

I see, thanks

[deft flame]

are there text guides for 100% TE?

[digital jewel]

I don't think so

I think monstah changed the route since the last time there was any guide for it

which would be a long time ago anyway

[simple ice]

I don't have any notes for it, think I lost those a few months ago

You'd have to watch the run I'm afraid D:

[fervent kelp]

love my any% speedrunning icons

Like, this...

these are good

[meager current]

my cdash split is called nyoom

[haughty fossil]

my all skills splits are similar

[meager current]

ill show mine

anything i should change?

that ones intentional to make lore people angry

[true hound]

are there any guides for running all skills?

[steady lynx]

I think there is on src

[true hound]

on what

[grizzled maple]

speedrun.com

[formal bough]

misgendering game characters, smh smh smh

[true hound]

aha, all skills video tutorial by pisces

fireb0rn any% video tutorial flashbacks

[carmine yew]

don't worry, I'm not nearly as cool as fire

[haughty fossil]

fire doesn't even do 1mg though

[true hound]

all skills is such a cool category, and it's really amazing that the hollow knight community comes together to make amazing resources for beginners, and optimizations for veterans to improve their times.

oh didnt mean to reply sry

[carmine yew]

all good haha

it's really cool for sure, I love the category and for the last year have tried (and succeeded???) to get more people to run it

[meager current]

how about these?

[true hound]

amazing splits

[true hound]

totally succeeded, especially with the tournament going on

[meager current]

also yes i called monomon quirrels mom unironicallly

[true hound]

more and more people are running all skills

[haughty fossil]

idk i feel like all splits are incomplete without anticapitalist sentiment towards ghusk

[unique wedge]

so Im watching an all skills CP run and curious why the runner I watched would get Shade Cloak before Abyss Shriek. Are you not closer to AS

[true hound]

hmm, did they have wraiths when they got shade cloak?

[meager current]

i dont know the definition of captialism so i have no way to make a remark along those lines

[carmine yew]

You need to pick up both anyway, and climbing out of the right side of the abyss is slower than climbing out of the left side

[true hound]

an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

[unique wedge]

ah so its becuase of the return climb. THanks

[carmine yew]

No problem!

[haughty fossil]

[true hound]

i misread the question completely

my bad

[carmine yew]

The whole thing would be a lot better if shade cloak didn't hard save you for no reason

[meager current]

[unique wedge]

yeah the hard save function is tedious

[digital jewel]

what about state capitalism

[unique wedge]

on CP NMG you have to get lvl 1 all 3 abilities first anyway tmk. I would imagine 1.2 could skip atleast one of them...or w/ glitches for sure

[carmine yew]

With glitches yeah, nmg no chance unfortunately

i mean you could skip VS but it'd be way slower

[true hound]

yes, I thought he said the runner got shade cloak and didn't get AS at all and i was confused

and I figured out how to get ez wr in all skills

im going to run all skills all glitches

[carmine yew]

[true hound]

no runs submitted

ez wr

[unique wedge]

literally just room warp to every required room and win

[digital jewel]

shriek is not at all possible to get without wraiths and descending dark requires significant glitches to get without desolate dive

[jagged vault]

finishing an AG run while actually using glitches is quite hard though

[digital jewel]

but shade soul is doable NMG

[jagged vault]

unless you just do an NMG run and submit it there

in which case the mods would not like you very much after that

[true hound]

nah imma do inventory storage and call it there

hmm the mods still wont like me

[jagged vault]

how about you run it for fun instead of getting a world record?

[unique wedge]

doing shade soul but no VS seems really not worthwhile unless the category was "No VS"

[jagged vault]

that sounds like a better idea

[carmine yew]

If you did that one of the mods would just run it real quick to bop you lmao

[dry sluice]

the run will just be moved to the appropriate category

[true hound]

lmao true

[dry sluice]

if you don't use mms it'll go to nmms

[jagged vault]

it's still unnecessary checking time for the mods

[dry sluice]

if you don't use glitches it'll go to nmg

[true hound]

i guess ill just run all skills

[unique wedge]

right at the start of the run put kings pass overlapping dirtmouth so mods know its MMS then just play NMMS the rest

[true hound]

a wr seems kinda meaningless if you are the only runner

at least until a mod would yeet my ass

[thorn jasper]

even if it's just you, it would be pretty dope if were at least under the 49:48 nmg WR

[true hound]

that would be pretty cool

unfortunately i have no all glitches knowledge so I'll leave that to someone else

[meager current]

try saying that to the guy who had ps5 wr for a bit because they were probably the only one who could get a ps5

[true hound]

lmao

i could speedrun getting the entire mod team angry and submit my 112 run to all skills all glitches

[meager current]

elderC moment

[jagged vault]

or you could..uh..not

[true hound]

nah just kidding im too scared of krythom

[steady lynx]

At least there are more than one runner in most categories I run

[meager current]

i cant wait for the KFConsole leaderboard

[steady lynx]

I wanna take more of the PS4 WR's, FuzzyVolt boutta get challenged

[meager current]

someone speedrunning the game while they fry chicken

[true hound]

halfway through 112% run chicken is black by now

[meager current]

so they put the chicken in right before the run and beat the game then get the chicken out and eat it

[meager current]

[steady lynx]

well done*

[true hound]

the kfconsole after my 112% run

ah yes, well done

[meager current]

🥴

[fervent kelp]

How do these look for allskills?

[jagged vault]

might want to add icons

[fervent kelp]

I will

but just in general

[true hound]

i like ya cut G

[haughty fossil]

it is.... acceptable....

[last inlet]

d- does that say 'sorry horny'

[true hound]

yep

what is "who tf uses this outside of skips"

oh dash slask

*daesh slaesh

[meager current]

dasche slasche

[true hound]

*slasche

the only time I used dash slash was radiant markoth and speedrun skips

[meager current]

anyone else had a problem with livesplit updating?

[thorn jasper]

do you mean installing the software update, or splitting, or?

[meager current]

installing the update

[haughty fossil]

is your livesplit placed somewhere with limited access

[meager current]

it gets stuck like this

[meager current]

its on the desktop

[fervent kelp]

This is all of them btw

[jagged vault]

Which category is this?

Oh CP all skills

[haughty fossil]

wait all skills cp

[low bramble]

all skills cp superiority?

[proud vessel]

is alprechim here

hmm he usually hangs out here

[ebon gorge]

i want to speed run hk again but them damn wk got any tips?

[proud vessel]

im still stuck on wk too

there is a fireb0rn video on a speedrun tutorial, it helped me a lot

still stuck, but i just need to practice more

[bronze anchor]

I was -just- typing that, fireb0rn's video helped me a ton

[ebon gorge]

yea i watched that but i find his strat harder

[bronze anchor]

For me making sure I'm always trying to hit both knights w/ my fireballs has been crucial

[ebon gorge]

yea i know i try to do that i just keep dying right at the end of the fight

[bronze anchor]

it's never gonna be easy without a lot of practice, it's got a deserved reputation

[jagged vault]

It’ll come with practice, don’t worry about messing it up at first, watchers are hard as heck

[ebon gorge]

yea i cant even say how many runs where so good at died because of wk

[proud vessel]

i always die before i even get to the last 2 knights

[ebon gorge]

it just sucks cuz i feel to get really good at speedrunning you kinda need debug mod on pc to practice and get good

so playing on console is kinda just making it harder

[proud vessel]

i have a question for the speedrunning mods tho, what categories could you submit to to get the speedrunner rank

[proud vessel]

oh yeah thats probably pretty bad

[ebon gorge]

yea

[proud vessel]

i play on pc so i can use debug mod

i just practice the fights over and over again using savestate

[ebon gorge]

so im thinking about getting it on pc you think thats a good idea

[twin swallow]

any main category, category extension or individual level is fine

[proud vessel]

ok, im still going to do any%, i was just asking

[ebon gorge]

oh and btw i have a question for the speedrunning mods, so my pc is too bad to run obs to post a video to speedrun.com so would there be any way to get the speedrunner rank?

[stiff delta]

i mean you could record it on a phone

[grizzled maple]

no, you do have to have a verified run on src.

there are ways around it. you could potato cam, phone cam, lower settings

[jagged vault]

You could film with a phone or camera for example

[grizzled maple]

just as long as the video is readable it's fine

[bronze anchor]

the rules say 'watchable quality', so a phone cam of your screen can work as long as it looks decent

[stiff delta]

take a screenshot of each frame and stitch it together

[jagged vault]

As long as game audio is audible

[ebon gorge]

omg that would take so long

[jagged vault]

And the game can be seen decently the entire time

[harsh mason]

send me your phone recording and ill redraw every frame in paint

and you can submit that

[jagged vault]

Katie to the rescue

[ebon gorge]

holy shit really

[jagged vault]

No

[harsh mason]

absolutely not

[ebon gorge]

haha

thats so bad

that would be pain

[harsh mason]

theres an ai thing that auto does it

you draw one frame of input in your style, and give it a bunch of frames, and it attempts to redraw them all in your style

and you just delete and redo the bad ones

[ebon gorge]

so if i got hk on my pc and just grabbed my ipad and made a vid of it it would work?

[proud vessel]

yazzy, what exactly is the problem with obs

[bronze anchor]

check the game rules for the specific requirements, but in theory yes

[ebon gorge]

idk

[proud vessel]

i had a problem with obs where i couldnt play hk and the video was unwatchable

[ebon gorge]

it just wont run

[proud vessel]

all i had to do was make the settings so it was worse graphics and stuff, and it started working fine

[jagged whale]

hey quick question, I'm somewhat new to hollow knight speedrunning but have been playing the game for awhile. for wtv reason I can't inventory drop, anyone know why? (I have downpatched to 1.2.2.1)

[jagged vault]

Hmm, can you send a screenshot of your main menu?

Just to make sure you’re actually on 1221

And, do you have your inventory bound to a mouse key?

[jagged whale]

I'm using a controller

[jagged vault]

Yeah the patch is all fine

[dull lion]

You need to pause before you can inventory drop on a new save if that’s what you’re talking about

[jagged vault]

Oh yeah you need to actually give yourself control for the first drop

Through opening pause and unpausing

[dull lion]

Also what controller are you using if it’s not just that

[jagged whale]

Yeah I know, but it won’t let me inventory drop anywhere

I’m using a regular ps4 controller

[dull lion]

Can you open your inventory normally?

[jagged whale]

Yeah and at the start I can get to move to the right wall, but after that when I use my inventory it freezes the game as if I was in the new version

[jagged vault]

Freezes the game?

[dull lion]

Yeah I’ve never seen that before

[proud vessel]

you shouldnt be able to go into your inventory at all if it was in the new version

[jagged whale]

Stops movement when I pause

[proud vessel]

if you were falling, i mean

[grizzled maple]

Try clearing registry if you've downpatched

That's a common issue

If that doesn't do it, you might need another install

[jagged whale]

Alright I’ll try that. Thanks for the help

[faint birch]

Hello! Recently joined the discord watching the all skills tournament got me excited to learn the game! Would someone mind directing me to a guide for current patch all skills NMG? Appreciate all the help in advance!

[twin swallow]

there's no video tutorial like any% and all skills 1221 have, so you'll have to work from this route pastebin: https://pastebin.com/DV4SyNbp and recent leaderboard runs

[faint birch]

Awesome! thanks I'll dive in and get started!

[twin swallow]

good luck, feel free to ask if you have any other questions 👍

[faint birch]

Will do!

[swift ore]

The ps4 d-pad controller destroys my thumb.
I'm trying to get my switch controller to play 1.2.2.1 but it's ignoring it :weary:
Is there a way to get it to notice the controller?
I have it working on steam and 1.4.3.2 :thinking: (thanks)

[twin swallow]

switch pro was not supported on older patches

you'll need to use a program like joy2key that maps your controller input to a keyboard output

[swift ore]

Joy2key, ok, thank you. I'll try it out

[haughty fossil]

no video tutorial.... yet (lol im just kidding i have too much stuff already)

[twin swallow]

in jamie we trust

[stark birch]

why make video tutorial for cp as when you could make video tutorial for spelless%

[twin swallow]

chaotic evil in its purest form

[haughty fossil]

that requires becoming consistent at longnail baldur kill

which would make wr free but also p a i n

[jaunty anvil]

ive been having this issue lately where HK is like frames r like freezing for small intervals n like stuttering i guess n i dont know why at all (im running current patch) n it's never been an issue b4

does any1 know anything about this sorta thing

here is an example

[dense harbor]

which mod is the one that imitates 1.2.2.1 stuff?

[jaunty anvil]

QoL

[dense harbor]

thanks

[jaunty anvil]

but yeah u can see right as i go 2 jump over the tiktik it farts

[jaunty anvil]

OK MY LIL BRO HELPED ME N I FOUND A FIX

[thorn jasper]

keep in mind that you won't be able to submit runs using QoL to the main leaderboard. there's a separate hkmods leaderboard for QoL any%

[fair island]

You can check the settings. Try changing the game resolution to 1280x720 and particles, vsync and blur to low. Then go to obs -> settings -> output. Then click on output mode (on top) and click on advanced. Then click on the recording tab and make the format mkv, encoder QuickSync H.264 and rescale output to 1280x720. And then target usage make it slow and nitrate 1500. These are my settings and obs didn't use to work before but now it does.

[haughty fossil]

https://pastebin.com/z5qVqnSQ

[hearty adder]

It should be noted that if you have a laptop with an older nvidia gpu, it may not be compatible for the nvenc encoder

[jaunty anvil]

y’all i just got a 45:17 in CP any% nmg :>

[hearty adder]

Yooo that's pretty good

[jaunty anvil]

thanksss

[twin swallow]

\o/

[boreal nacelle]

Hey, so I just downpatched to 1.2.2.1 on steam and for some reason it doesn't seem to be recognizing my controller

[haughty fossil]

switch pro?

[boreal nacelle]

No, ps3

[haughty fossil]

oh that's new
process should still be the same, try using DS4Windows and if that fails you can mess around with JoyToKey or steam input handling (the latter requires you make steam recognise 1221 as your main install which is a bit 🥴 )

[boreal nacelle]

thanks ill try those

So somehow that didn't work

Whats happening is when i boot up the current patch my controller works but on the downgraded one it doesnt

[haughty fossil]

correct, it was only supported on current patch

JoyToKey will definitely work if you set it up, though it might not be ideal if you move using analog

[boreal nacelle]

sounds good

thanks

[wary plank]

yo

[boreal nacelle]

It worked

thank you

[blazing dirge]

i have some questions about down patching, if I downpatch, will my saves from the current patch still be there or will i be able to make new saves on the previous patch and they'll be separate from the current patch saves

[formal bough]

?saves

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[formal bough]

the saves are there so you can backup, move, or do whatever

I've never downpatched so I can't confidantely answer if the save files will still be there in the same location but doing this should ensure that whatever you want is fine with the saves

[blazing dirge]

ye thank you

[fair island]

its the same saves so keep like 1 and 2 for cp and 3 and 4 for the down patch

[blazing dirge]

okay

[fair island]

as long as you dont open the cp save files in the down patched version nothing should go wrong

[knotty vigil]

So is there any point in me even trying to do runs on switch or should I just practice for runs later on on steam?

[verbal stag]

consoles have their own separate leaderboards

so you can still have that competition

[knotty vigil]

Oh so my current patch, switch, digital download will have a competition with other current patches? Dope

[stray kestrel]

switch has separate leaderboards because the loads are significantly different from the other consoles. PC is timed without loads so its really not comparable to other platforms that are all timed RTA

oops sorry for ping

[knotty vigil]

I don't mind pings, in fact I like them

but thats cool

[stray kestrel]

switch i think has one of the more competitive console leaderboards too i think

[knotty vigil]

Interesting

[stiff delta]

Ye

It has its own leaderboard for a fair comparison

[verbal junco]

where is the current patch any% nmg
this is an outrage

[median gull]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight#Any

literally there

Current Patch NMG

[verbal junco]

i meant the channel

it was a joke anyways

[median gull]

#hk-meme

do not shitpost in #speedrunning pls

[verbal junco]

no text allowed

but agreeable

[median gull]

#off-topic idk you do you, just do not shitpost here

I don't want to be rude but idk what to say.

this is just not the right place

Well, they're just shitposting, I don't see a difference

[verbal junco]

i mean, this isnt a shitpost, by definition
a deliberately provocative or off-topic comment posted on social media, typically in order to upset others or distract from the main conversation.
1 - not off topic
2 - not made to upset others / deteriorate the main conversation

still, i can get why jokes shouldn't be made here, my mistake.
sorry

[serene coral]

got my first deathless current patch nmg

now to do something about WK and uumuu being really slow

[serene crag]

got my first sub 1 hour today wooo, wk was pretty good but my mind was blank during uumuu and i played like a frightened animal

[bronze anchor]

👋

[serene coral]

HeyGuys

[bronze anchor]

don't think I can justify running more HK tomorrow so gonna submit tonight's PB 🙂

[serene coral]

nice! i already submitted a baby run but thinking about submitting tonight's since it's sub-50

[bronze anchor]

yo hell yeah, grats

[serene coral]

soon we'll have the runner role and the incredible wealth and power it ordains

[bronze anchor]

😈

[stiff delta]

i think speedrunners have less power

[serene coral]

we've had to endure much, you and i, but soon there will be order again—a new age

aquinas spoke of the mythical "city on the hill." soon that city will be a reality, and we will be crowned its kings

or better than kings: gods!

[snow dome]

Please don't get blue name

They don't let us out

Save yourself

[stiff delta]

@ mods delete just to be safe

There is no pain in sr-offtopic.

[fair island]

How's your 4ms run going?

[high hawk]

Can't find a good video explaining how to do vengeful spirit skips/fireball skips has that been removed from current patch or am I just trash?

[normal aspen]

itss till doable

Make sure you are using quick cast

[high hawk]

Ah that make sense for why I keep failing

[whole rivet]

is it possible to downpatch on ps4 with a digital copy of hk?

prob not

but just in case

[jagged vault]

No, console cannot downpatch

[whole rivet]

ok ty

[jagged vault]

Console does have their own leaderboards to provide even competition though

And running on console is very valid!

[whole rivet]

ok

[ebon gorge]

any combat tips for fighting wk

[short spire]

we could really use a !wk command that links fire and pest's videos

but yeah check fireb0rn's any% nmg guide series and the pinned video in #any-percent-nmg

[tardy sable]

lmao i swear my brain just turned into glue for twenty seconds there
https://youtu.be/lj5NnuxhOE0

[short spire]

lmao that's a good clip

[normal aspen]

That's great

[ebon gorge]

wk are the most stupid boss in the whole game

[limpid ruin]

Wk are annoying as frick, true

[tardy sable]

Ascended Markoth: ？

[limpid ruin]

I actually have grown to like a lot about them tho

[ebon gorge]

cool, not me tho

[tardy sable]

Wk is really annoying sometimes, but it feels pretty nice to slowly master the fight

[limpid ruin]

How long have you worked on them, yazzy?

[ebon gorge]

ummm about a week

[limpid ruin]

Not judging you in the slightest. I spent a good waaaay too many hours (after hundreds in other categories) to get comfortable with them 🥴

[ebon gorge]

yea well im not to good at the game anyway and i know that

[limpid ruin]

Hm, I assume you've checked fireb0rn's tutorial on them, and pest's video from the #any-percent-nmg pins?

[ebon gorge]

yea i have

[limpid ruin]

They really are a huge wall, no shame about that

[granite field]

perhaps you could also take a look at All skills category ? WK is much easier, same for some other bosses

but yeah WK any% nmg is a real wall I agree

[ebon gorge]

ik i just wanna do any% so i will just keep doing that

[limpid ruin]

Or maybe look into shade soul or nail1 routes for a bit of an easier introduction?

[granite field]

yeah why not ^

[limpid ruin]

Or rather: less hard* introduction

[granite field]

actually I didn't thought about Shade soul but that seems pretty safe

[limpid ruin]

They're honestly still a very healthy challenge, and just getting that extra experience would definitely help later if you try to route out those extra tools

[granite field]

Yep.
well good luck Yazzy

[serene coral]

i did a shade soul route for three days so i could get some full runs under my belt without being totally stonewalled at WKs

today was my first day without it 💪

but yea i recommend going with something like that to start

[hearty adder]

I personally did nail1 route for a while until I learned the rhythm of the fight better, no shame in that

[shut beacon]

how do you time a run on ps4 .... is it just the end game timer?

[haughty fossil]

real time

[shut beacon]

oh ok fine

[haughty fossil]

end game timer is very 🥴

[shut beacon]

why

whats wrong with it

[haughty fossil]

randomly displays 8s at the end of all skills runs sometimes

[shut beacon]

so ill just time it on my phone or something then

[normal aspen]

When the minutes are 0 it sets hours to 0 coz well made game

[limpid ruin]

could you potentially save a sliver of time during the shade skip by equipping shaman after aggroing the shade, just bc menuing slow maybe slower than waking up after death

then fb rng would be good for early control?? 👀

ive no clue how the shade reacts to jjust benching tho

[normal aspen]

i think theoretically wake up equip loses like 0 time tho right?

[thorn jasper]

Wouldn't benching keep you vertically aligned with the shade for longer, increasing the chance of fireball?

[normal aspen]

that plus what slaurent said idk if it would be faster

[dusk portal]

My first sub 10 on 4MS

[limpid ruin]

fireball isnt tied to height at all (outside of when it fires)

ive heard that theory yea, s0mni, it jsut seems to me like menu lag is too big for that

[normal aspen]

i meant more like then luring horizontal then up seems worse than straight diag

and like that would lose more

but i havent timed it so idk for sure

[harsh mason]

what

looking at the fsm for shade

and thats used to make it so the shade wont fire until either it matches height or 3 seconds has passed

[limpid ruin]

oh yea, but that just determines when the fb is fired, not when its decided to queue a fb

right?

[harsh mason]

yes

but cyan line is going to spend more time within that range

green will just saunter upwards for 3 seconds

dont think it really matters if it decides first move fireball either way though

[limpid ruin]

i mean you can get into green line to trigger it earlier

i know vali chills out on the lil hill

[harsh mason]

i mean if you can get the shade into position in the next 3 seconds, whilst only being above it

then it wanting to fireball doesn't matter

[limpid ruin]

eh, it messes with distances and the rhythm of when to go out to pogo

i know that screws with a lot of runners

[dusk portal]

Do I need to upload my run on Youtube to submit it or can I use a Twitch Highlight?

[limpid ruin]

you can use a twitch highlight as well, yea

[harsh mason]

also yeah cyan line is faster

i think worst case is a equal distance base and height, which is like 40% longer than the hypotenuse

[native gazelle]

A lot of people recommend full runs rather than piecewise runs but I've been grinding the first part of HK only...and now I can consistently get Dream Nail sub-20min on NMMG!

I know that the actual competitive marker is more like 13 minutes but I'm still floundering with some of the skips so I'm happy with the progress.

[digital jewel]

equipping shaman after shade skip loses no time yeah

[fair island]

whats NMMG?

[harsh mason]

nmmg isnt anything

its a typo of nmg

[fair island]

oh lol

i thought it was a different category

[sonic crane]

NightMare Ming Grimm

[halcyon jetty]

do Hollow Knight TASes exist

[sonic crane]

Hollow Knight is not TAS consistent

[halcyon jetty]

why not manipulate the RNG to make a TAS

[stuck raptor]

it's not only the RNG. it's also load syncing, and control outputs/reading

the way the game is coded, even dash length is not consistent

and things are not deterministic enough to keep results always the same

[halcyon jetty]

What about manipulating those things so it's theoretically perfect

[stuck raptor]

go for it

What about manipulating those things so it's theoretically perfect
"Just recode the game engine" FTFY

[digital jewel]

why not manipulate the fps to enter black egg temple early huh?

[hearty adder]

If you're interested in creating TASes for HK, you'd probably have more success at #modding-discussion - otherwise, there was a talk just yesterday about how the inner workings of the game make it ridiculously difficult to TAS

[halcyon jetty]

I was just curious about why I don't see HK TASes

[digital jewel]

the game requires significant modification to make it possible

is the short answer

[jagged vault]

yeah, people are a bit salty because there was someone yesterday being a bit obnoxious about the same thing. dw, you're all good!

[halcyon jetty]

I came out of this discussion enlightened with stuff I didn't know

[old sphinx]

You can find some "TAS" on bilibili

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Da4y1h7SA/?spm_id_from=333.788.videocard.4

It's done by slowing down the game with cheat engine and it's the closest to what you can call being a TAS

There's more on their channel

[short spire]

no there's real tases now too

like the most recent P5 one

[main bear]

What's the alternative to get to queens gardens instead of doing the acid skip?

[short spire]

deepnest route, should be in fire's text guide

[low bramble]

and video guide too if u dont like reading like me

[small sigil]

If you're just interested in getting to QG, and not specifically for any%:

• getting Isma's
• getting Shade Cloak
• lever skip with Great or Dash Slash in 1221
• climbing up backwards through Mask Maker room
• finding QG stag in rando 🙃

[short spire]

yea i wasnt sure if he covered it in the video one

[main bear]

Can you send the link? I'm doing a speedrun race against my friend and he's getting ismas so I planned on doing fog canyon acid skip instead of getting tear

I was using Fire's guide for the under 3 hours, but he grabs ismas in that

[digital jewel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaZ6yRHOf-o

[main bear]

Thanks

[vocal dove]

i've been struggling so bad lately. can barely even get a run going. should i take another break?

[main bear]

Is fog canyon acid skip easy?

[short spire]

yes

[main bear]

You just walk down right

[digital jewel]

if you're getting frustrated then taking a break isn't going to make your mentality worse. and you don't want to be getting too frustrated over your hobbies it can really sour them over time

[thorn jasper]

when you're asking yourself if you should take a break, take a break to ponder the question. using this trick, you will have already taken the break in question, thus fooling yourself into healthy habits

[vocal dove]

it's not even getting frustrated. tbh i think it's hilarious failing mantis pogo every time.

i'm all for healthy habits

[main bear]

wow it has been 8 months since wr

is HK that optimized

[vocal dove]

ax is gonna get any% wr very soon

[sand stirrup]

Anyone know the speed run route? I’m trying to get into it

[main bear]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/j234z

[hard storm]

Кто русский?

[thorn jasper]

any% definitely is. ax got a 32:59 recently, so if anyone will beat it soon it will be him

[sand stirrup]

Thanks man

[thorn jasper]

english only

[main bear]

Does he have a twitch?

[thorn jasper]

https://www.twitch.tv/ax2u

[main bear]

Thanks!

[short spire]

im not running any% rn tho

[main bear]

Oh

What are you running?

[short spire]

all skills for the tourney

[main bear]

good luck

[turbid crystal]

imagine dying to bosses 5 times

[short spire]

ty

[main bear]

Is monstahler still running 112?

[stiff delta]

i think hes also on the all skills grind? he just got wr and he's in the tourney so i would assume but im not 100% sure

[vocal dove]

monstah just got all skills wr

[main bear]

Oh yeah he was WR

What is the tourney?

[stiff delta]

its head to head races in the all skills format

yea

[main bear]

When is it?

[stiff delta]

now

[main bear]

is it live rn lol

[stiff delta]

i think pisces just played on the speedgaming twitch but im not sure if other matches are on rn

i can check

[main bear]

does the tourney have a bracket i can see

[prime delta]

the next race is at 7 est I think

[stiff delta]

i think so but im not 100% sure where to find it lol

im not in the tourney

[short spire]

https://smash.gg/tournament/hollow-knight-all-skills-nmg-community-tournament/events tournament rankings
http://schedule.speedgaming.org/hkas match schedule

[main bear]

thank you

oh wow it's happening over a long period of time

i didnt realize it was so big

[daring coral]

ok i honestly have no idea how broken vessel was so hard for me casually

i had so much better stuff than i do now and they're a complete pushover

but now i get hornet 2 to look forward to

[fair island]

for going to uumuu from teachers archive, is it better to go from left or from right?

[frigid rapids]

it depends on your equipment

if you have wings, both are even, if you don't it's faster to go left but the movement there are harder

[fair island]

I'm doing all skiils so i have monarch wings shade soul and ddark

[frigid rapids]

then just go right

[fair island]

ok thanks

[daring coral]

overtime?

oh

my brain melted

well im about to start hornet 2 so we'll see how much "better" ive gotten

hey the route im watching doesnt bench before hornet, is this because of a warp or am i free to safety bench?

[short spire]

you can take the bench before hornet 2, king's brand is a hardsave

[daring coral]

nice

thanks

so i died before first stagger

time for some practice

[main bear]

Whats the best possible time for any% nmg

[low bramble]

the community sum of bests is around a 32:10 i think and with a tas you can easily get lower than that

[main bear]

is there an estimated tas

[low bramble]

not for any% to my knowledge

[main bear]

o

[daring coral]

are staggers based on damage or numbers of hits?

[prime delta]

number of hits

[daring coral]

ok

and how many does hornet 2 take?

[prime delta]

most staggerable bosses also have a "combo stagger" where if you hit them fast enough they'll stagger with less hits

[digital jewel]

the number of hits is consistent but waiting too long between hits will reset the counter

[prime delta]

Hits: 13 Stagger Limit: 999
Combo: 7 Combo Time: <2s per hit

[daring coral]

ok thanks

[prime delta]

the hk wikia has stagger data for all the bosses I'm pretty sure

[short spire]

a lot of them are inaccurate for 1221 tho

[digital jewel]

interesting. which bosses have fixed stagger counts like that

[low bramble]

is this for cp or 1221

[prime delta]

oh I didn't know they were different, my bad

I presume it's for CP

[main bear]

Will HK ever be patched again

[snow dome]

Unlikely

[daring coral]

presumably not while silksong is in the works

[snow dome]

1.4.3.3 will be the final patch, I expect

[main bear]

will the speedrunning community move to there?

wait

nvm

[snow dome]

Yes, it is the voidheart patch

Hence the final one

[main bear]

Is hk speedrunning gonna die w ss

[snow dome]

No

[low bramble]

def not

[fair island]

alot of bosses

[prime delta]

I think every staggerable boss works this way, with a "slow count" and a "fast count"

[fair island]

not all

[prime delta]

though my only resource is the wiki and I think they only have CP info

[fair island]

i think only false knight and failed champion are the exceptions

rest all have even if its only 2 hits difference

[prime delta]

Oh yeah I wasn't considering them because they're a different sort of "hit them a bunch to become vulnerable" sort of thing

[fair island]

eg grimm and soul master

[prime delta]

as opposed to "hit them a bunch to take a break"

[blazing aspen]

Do i have to downpatch to 1.2.2.1 for baldur skip or is that doable with the modding api? I want to know for some footage

[haughty fossil]

it's possible on cp w/ the speedrunmod underlein is developing, but that is yet to be adopted for runs on the modded leaderboards so far

otherwise, yeah, 1221 exclusive

[blazing aspen]

Alright,Thanks!!

[digital jewel]

yes qol doesn't add that back in

[blazing aspen]

ah no wonder

I was like how tf am I doing this wrong

[daring coral]

ok this is bullying

i staggered hornet with a pogo and she did a small hop backwards to stagger and hit me

[hearty adder]

Hornet is a bully

[daring coral]

she is

[rotund jackal]

is dashing in the acid after uumuu a major glitch?

[stiff delta]

?

[short spire]

closing inventory before hitting the water and being submerged because of that is a major glitch

[stiff delta]

oh that thing

[ebon gorge]

Fuck wk

thanks for listening to my tedtalk

[rotund jackal]

okay thanks ax I'll need to stop going for that then lol

I did it in the race and spirity said something but I wasn't sure if it was a joke

[main bear]

really excellent

[ebon gorge]

thanks

[stiff delta]

Just do it

[dusk portal]

Doing it again and again I think

[hearty adder]

yeah, 4ms is a very short cat anyways

[haughty fossil]

the main things that need practice in 4ms come right at the start of the run anyway (mawlek, goam mask shard pogo)

[twin swallow]

you forgot dying to gruz mother

[fair island]

Also the first grub pogo is annoying

[twin swallow]

first grub pogo has a pretty comfy double pogo setup

[stiff delta]

I think monstah does it in his record

[low bramble]

mostly just a flex i think

[thorn jasper]

steel soul death brings you to main menu instead of a bench, so resetting is faster

[grave tusk]

for 112% do you have to complete P5?

[hearty adder]

P5 doesn't give percentage

[grave tusk]

im just lookin at the category rules on speedrun .com and it says
"Achieve 112% completion and defeat All Pantheon Bosses within their respective pantheons, including Grey Prince Zote and Absolute Radiance."

this is for xb1/ps4

[low bramble]

for 112% pure no for 112% apb you do

[grave tusk]

ooh rifht

okay yeah now i know what the apb stands for lmao

[leaden python]

Ultimate reset speed is steel soul + reset plugin for livesplit by Serena

[low bramble]

wait serena has a reset plugin for livesplit?

vali can u send that?

[leaden python]

Of course!
#resources message

ifls

[low bramble]

tysm

ifls

[meager current]

still trying to update livesplit

[leaden python]

I've seen people suggesting you to move it in the user directory. Have you done it?

[meager current]

i get this when i try move it

i dont have the file open tho

[leaden python]

you need to reboot your pc and then move it

I think this can also happen if some antivirus is currently scanning the directory, but I'm not entirely sure because I don't use them

[meager current]

I have moved it

It still seems to be getting stuck

[leaden python]

where did you move it?

[meager current]

User/insertmyusername

[leaden python]

also, I'm not sure if livesplit has any traces in the registry and it might be a problem, so maybe it's better to delete it and then install it from scratch to an appropriate folder

[meager current]

Time to restart my pc again becuase it won't let me delete the file

[boreal nacelle]

Hi, I just installed the debug mod, and I'm trying to set dreamgates to practice, but when I try to warp to them it doesnt work and i just stay in the same place

[haughty fossil]

did you give yourself essence

you need to spend essence to use dreamgate

[boreal nacelle]

yeah I did, but it doesnt seem to show up on my hud

[haughty fossil]

if you open your inventory, does it show your essence counter?

[boreal nacelle]

Let me check]

Yeah it shows that I have 200 essence

I added more essence and it still doesnt work

[rigid pulsar]

Did speedrunners find a way to quick kill sly's final phase yet?

Also after doing descending dark shouldn't you have time to also do an abyss shriek? Assuming you're willing to tank the damage

[thorn jasper]

I had problems with the debug dreamgates. I think I assumed that clicking thing would set a dreamgate, but then I realized I actually have to set a dreamgate in the game with my character. Or something silly like this

[boreal nacelle]

Thanks slaurent

Imma try that and see if it works

[rigid pulsar]

Guys how does the baldur instakill glitch work?

Like why tf does it happen?

[hearty adder]

The fireball gets stuck on the baldur so it just keeps hitting it

[haughty fossil]

baldur gets abandonment issues from being offscreen

[rigid pulsar]

Oh k

So offscreen stuff isnt programmed right in prev patches ig

[hearty adder]

The fireball used to cover a greater distance, in current patch it doesn't go as far as it used to

[rigid pulsar]

Yea i realized it dissapears kinda quick

I mean i cant even properly use spells

Because my pc is dumb at times

[hearty adder]

I hope you're using quick cast

[rigid pulsar]

Im just using the cast button

The same as the heal button

I just press it quick

[meager current]

dear lord

[rigid pulsar]

Bruh i play on a keyboard

Ik

[hearty adder]

Check your keyboard binds and you'll see the quick cast button bind

[rigid pulsar]

But i already had to make a complete overhaul to the controls

So i can actually play

[haughty fossil]

do it again

[hearty adder]

Quick cast is what lets you do stuff such as fireball skips

[haughty fossil]

quick cast is very important, you literally never want to be using focus to cast

[rigid pulsar]

Ig that's why i prefer nail builds

Like a 5th button to constantly use with the left hand would be to much tbh

[hearty adder]

most of the time you'll be using spells rather than healing anyways

[rigid pulsar]

Should i just put my focus one button to the right?

And put the quick cast to what my focus is

[hearty adder]

sounds like a good plan

[twin swallow]

Shame you have to focus dreamers and THK, otherwise I'd just unbind it entirely

Healing is slow

[haughty fossil]

jb never heals, he just resets instead

[rigid pulsar]

I mean i still didnt even beat thr 3rd pantheon lol

[twin swallow]

Yup

[rigid pulsar]

Yea i kinda suck ngl

[twin swallow]

Pantheon 4 is easier and more fun than pantheon 3

P3 has poopy bosses

[hearty adder]

Pantheon 4 best pantheon

[rigid pulsar]

P3 has the worst boss sequence for me tbh

Zote > uumuu > hornet2

Then just sly

Zote i got preety consistent at

Uumuu takes forever for me because i cant land the jellyfish

Either that or i try to go fast and get it a few times

Hornet2 i just suck at the game

Sky fibishes me off

Yea i cant spell

[hollow mesa]

P3 is cursed

P4 is fun + markoth

[rigid pulsar]

Markoth is mostly wait then attack or be agressive af

Then for the 2nd phase abyss shriek spam

[hollow mesa]

True, but I still hate markoth lol

[meager current]

Face tank markoth: are you challenging me

[rigid pulsar]

Who doesnt

[ebon gorge]

why am i so bad at wk i have watched every vid every twitch vod i have practiced for soooo long the amount of salt i have is way to much

[hollow mesa]

That's for p5 shhhh

[meager current]

Becuase wk are bad

[rigid pulsar]

They honestly seem like rng most of the time

At least to me who cant even record a speedrun

[meager current]

Becuase ai is mostly rng

[ebon gorge]

how could i have such bad luck

[rigid pulsar]

You never get god rng when you need it

[ebon gorge]

ikr

[rigid pulsar]

That's just a gaming rule at this point

[hollow mesa]

Are you talking wk in pantheons or in base game

[ebon gorge]

base

im just bad

[rigid pulsar]

Pantheon wk seems easy

Because shadow dash

[hollow mesa]

Just run 1xx so you do it near the end

[rigid pulsar]

Yea and that

Tbf you can get every upgrade pre wk

[hollow mesa]

wk is rough without shade cloak

[rigid pulsar]

Not recommended for speedruns, but you can do it

[hollow mesa]

Then again, I've never really practiced it

Unless you do 1xx lol

[rigid pulsar]

In my 2nd run i tried going for speedrun tricks

Just for the sake of it

Got shade skip

A really scuffed shade skip but i got it

Got to watcher's spire early

Then i died to wk

Decided i should just use this run for the rest of the "choice" achivements

First run i killed him

Even tho ik what happens

[hollow mesa]

Good

Never kill nailsmith

save frames and dreamgate out of his hut

[rigid pulsar]

Should've just used defender's crest

[hollow mesa]

cursed

[rigid pulsar]

Can you kill him with c dash?

[hollow mesa]

probably

[rigid pulsar]

Like it does do small dmg

[low bramble]

yea it does 10

[meager current]

Dreamgate doesn't work in houses

[hollow mesa]

You can gate out of his hut tho

[meager current]

How

[hollow mesa]

lemme find it

https://clips.twitch.tv/FlaccidSpinelessMilkPJSalt-Ug9CSfpEXOBE55nD

[steady lynx]

Unless you wanna be funny and kill the nailsmith in the PS4 112% WR

[hollow mesa]

That one can slide because that entire record is a meme

[steady lynx]

That's gonna be in the record until someone decides to beat me, I can't be bothered to run that cat on PS4 anymore

[hollow mesa]

tbf you could probably bop Fuzzy's All Skills PS4 record

1:18:10

[steady lynx]

I plan to get AS and TE records on PS4 soon-ish

Then switch TE just because

Ironic for me to run all skills since I lack skills completely

[strong vessel]

I think I might be able to finally actually speedrun!

I play on Mac so I couldn't use livesplit, but I tried running bootcamp and it worked

Typing this on windows rn :)

Wdym?

[strong vessel]

The downpatch works!

Ok, I just tested it and went to mothwing cloak and then quit, and it put me in King's Pass instead of Ancestral Mound