speedrunning

[grizzled maple]

The most common mistakes to make is to not be holding jump long enough

make sure that youre NEVER letting it go through until the pogo

the 1221 one should be pretty free. there's not much more to it than the height issue.

[thorn jasper]

@golden bobcat even if you don't mod on PC, you can more easily swap in a save file right before WK. Then when you beat WK, switch to a different copy of the same save

[stark stream]

13:40 https://youtu.be/_w7ttMfYWJI

only vid i have of it really, sorry

i just move too far left i think tbh

[grizzled maple]

you look like youre just losing height while trying to go left. there's another version you can try which is much safer: no risk of being hit + you literally only hold down until you dash left

let me try and find it

[stark stream]

yea im usually too low. im just really bad at seeing that in the moment

[grizzled maple]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/503129020?t=00h13m03s

timestamped

the only thing you have to worry about with this version is making sure you hold jump the entire time, and learning the timing for the explosion.

it's a little slower than the other version since youre waiting on the spore longer but its the way i usually recommend to new runners who struggle with it. in time you'll understand it better and the other way will make more sense

[stark stream]

i don't think im good enough in general to worry about the pogo speed atm lmao

[grizzled maple]

yeah exactly lol

[stark stream]

Getting it consistently even slowly would still help a ton w the section

mt platforming in general is sloppy. i really need to practice it

i dont work tomorrow night, so i should have plenty of time to practice stuffs

not that my boss fights are too hot, but i fail those because im bad rather than not knowing what to do

i know the general route ofc, but like w some sections i can't smoothly go through it

basically all of fog canyons for example

[daring coral]

cries in peaks

[stark stream]

i actually feel pretty comfy w peaks. i could probably draw the layout for it mostly

[grizzled maple]

a little practice is all you need yeah :)

[daring coral]

oh i think i could draw the layout of the peaks route, its just everythings a cycle and im bad so i miss one thing and take 3 damage because i try to do things i cant do anymore

[grizzled maple]

at least we have save states now. I used to just have a file on the dark room bench and had to run through the entire section to practice. It was just so time consuming that I was lazy

practice is so much easier these days. grind a problem area and move on

[daring coral]

yeah fair

if i didnt have save states and the ability to use lantern for dark rooms i'd implode

[stark stream]

yea, i plan to go through fog canyon a couple dozen times. maybe zoom out so i can more fluidly learn to move between all the things and know where to aim for the next point

[daring coral]

even with practicing with lantern i kind of just have to guess while actually doing it without

[stark stream]

also the dream nail bit. I've thought about making a mod myself to show where they would be

[grizzled maple]

oh are you doing all skills delurzum

[daring coral]

yeah

[stark stream]

would be a fun exercise to mod the game myself

[daring coral]

i dont have lantern for the dark rooms so far but im doing half my practice with it

[grizzled maple]

yeah that's fair. i think blue said he might make a video of all the different strats you can do in the cpeaks one. There's multiple difficulty levels that would make things much easier, with all dashes being fastest.

there's even a ceiling cdash you can do over the hunter

[daring coral]

yeah thats what i do

dash, jump dash, jump fireball, jump left and then cdashes all the way

but my timings abysmal and i panic

[grizzled maple]

oh i meant literally the first section of the room.

you just cdash over all of it

[daring coral]

from the top left?

[grizzled maple]

yeah

[daring coral]

yeah thats what i do

i kill the hunter tho because scary

[slate fulcrum]

damn, the explosion pogo is so much easier on 1.2.2.1

i got it first try

[stark stream]

i get it first try every couple attempts too

[daring coral]

60% of the time, it works every time

[deep kernel]

So I recently downpatched my game, but I have a problem. Whenever I start a new save file my nail doesn't work until I go into the controls menu. Is there any way I can fix this, or will I just have to accept that I need to do this every time

[daring coral]

you need to run a program that remaps clicking to keyboard inputs

i beleive left click is h and right click is t

[deep kernel]

h and t?

[thorn jasper]

#resources message

[deep kernel]

also have a problem where i cant move or press esc when im here (after a while it works with a)

[snow dome]

You need to press one of the default key bindings to wake up

For some unknown reason

[deep kernel]

k thx

[thorn jasper]

yeah I have my keys remapped but I switch to spamming zxczxczxczxczxc to wake up

[deep kernel]

k

[dense spire]

Guys, do you know what causes the loadless timer to not work? I have "Game Time" and "Global Hotkeys" on but it still won't work

[jagged vault]

Have you set up your autosplit configurations?

[normal aspen]

You also need at least one auto split

[digital jewel]

10m 55s

[dense spire]

Thanks, now it works :3

[old bloom]

for any %? I have a 1h41 waiting for verification

[normal aspen]

Idk xero according to YouTube algorithn ur best one is an 11:55

[granite field]

my any% nmg PB would be around 1h20 but I didn't posted it

@ elbendyprofortine

that's not something I practice much tho

The optimal don't have nail upgrades but you can upgrade it once, it's still decent, the damage gain could ease the fight enough

people usually play with shaman stone and vengeful spirit (+dash/claws)

yeah that's a good strat imo

If I remember correctly this just requiere some more geos (with an extra relic sold)

compared to optimal

[formal bough]

the pins have a good route, and it can be altered for nail 1

[digital jewel]

buying lantern at the beginning of the game is interesting

[granite field]

hmm would you want to know some easy-to-get geo sources?

[digital jewel]

selling relics to lemm is a lot better than geo rocks

[granite field]

Do you know about the Golden husk location too? It gives 420 geos easily

so yeah basically the main geos sources are relics, golden husk, the vengefly king at greenpath (and some geos from enemies kill)
I recommend to take a look at the any% nmg route to know the relics location (and which ones are picked up)

[digital jewel]

you need desolate dive to get the big geo rock in kingdoms edge

and it's also really slow for that amount of geo anyway

nothing that you want in the speedrun is in kingdoms edge

so it's all a detour

[narrow pecan]

oh for any%? yeah you should not be going to KE

[formal bough]

?it feels like this convo is less competitive speedrunning than achievement, sorry if I misunderstand

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[mighty trellis]

petra arena hitless, feelin good

[charred sigil]

mmmm hmmm it does

I guess that means you are doing qga or all skills?

[mighty trellis]

any%

with qga route yes

[charred sigil]

nice

[mighty trellis]

im just practicing tho

[charred sigil]

Yeah practice is good

[daring coral]

i should do more practice

but im busy procrastinating

[charred sigil]

tis a mood

motivation will come around

or maybe it won't

[versed elbow]

Hollow Knight's movement is what keeps me motivated

The movement is so fun that doing runs is just enjoyable

[charred sigil]

just putting on a timer and seeing yourself get faster at a single part of the game (maybe one you need practice on) can be quite fun from what i hear

i should do that more

[median gull]

try doing low%

it is really good, movement in low% is S-tier

[charred sigil]

you talking about NMMS or NMG?

[median gull]

clearly nmg

[charred sigil]

strange, i think most people think any% is the worst for movement

[median gull]

worse than low%?

[charred sigil]

well okay

not that

🥴

[median gull]

oh

i said any%

instead of low%

woops

[charred sigil]

lmfao

i was wondering

[median gull]

fixed

[charred sigil]

okay now don't troll the new runners with low% and you're good

[median gull]

shaded is not a new runner tho D:

[charred sigil]

oh?

my mistake

[versed elbow]

I mean, I'm only a week in

Idk how that ranks on a game where the community has been building for years

I've just been making some fairly decent progress

[charred sigil]

i think zVii was a little confused

but yeah your progress has been great

I definitely don't recomend low% for someone who's been running for a week

I don't think he does either

[versed elbow]

Low% terrifies me

I watched Skurry run it

[granite field]

Low% True ending tho

[median gull]

Seriously speaking, no I don't. But some skips are really fun to do so I'd recommend learning some skips for fun

such as fireball skip to fungal

[granite field]

What kind of stamina and patience you need to run low% TE
Seriously that seems very exhausting

[median gull]

as I said before, I don't really run the category to say if it is beginner friendly or not, I'm going based on my opinion that you should probably ignore (but dashless movement in hk is really boring)

half of stamina needed for low% nsoob

[versed elbow]

Dash movement is some of my favorite

[formal bough]

low% TE nsoob? I thought it was just low% nsoob that the run was

[median gull]

oh

[versed elbow]

Also Low% TE

You'd have to literally do the bare minimum. White Palace would be an interesting split tho

[median gull]

now i don't know

let me double check

oh yea

low% nsoob

[granite field]

wait is this the very long run?

[median gull]

95h run yes

[versed elbow]

WHAT

[granite field]

yeah

[formal bough]

anyway veru's low% nsoob was quickly made obsolete by better glitches

[median gull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5BXbyPzYIc&feature=emb_title

[versed elbow]

Holy mother of god

[formal bough]

you needed dream gate to escape lurien back then

they could glitch one way past watcher knights but not the other way

[granite field]

Even longer than botw 100% all korogus

[digital jewel]

blame ax for making it obsolete

[versed elbow]

Pls never mention that hell again

At the time I was learning Odyssey I had a friend learning BotW 100%

He quit when he remembered koroks existed

[granite field]

haha fair

(it's koroks yeah my bad)

[versed elbow]

God... How bad would verifying a 95 hour speedrun be?

@digital jewel Genuine question. Do you guys literally watch every run from start to finish?

[harsh mason]

they didnt

serena verified it

[versed elbow]

LMFAO

I'm still semi curious because I know some long ass categories. If verifiers watch the whole ass run I understand the wait time

[pure vault]

still my fav serena quote

[digital jewel]

I think for botw 100% they do watch it all

and they have like a team of people for it

[granite field]

My guess is that (on other games) they probably share de verification with others mods
Like cutting in multiple "parts"

[versed elbow]

Same

I mean expecting one person to sit down for that long to watch a single run is crazy

1:02:41 Any% NMG

[digital jewel]

you asked this question a few hours ago

[dry sluice]

[versed elbow]

Until Xero gives me another free 5 seconds off

and it's a 1:02:36

[digital jewel]

you split late

[versed elbow]

On final?

[digital jewel]

yea

[versed elbow]

I use the controller as an indicator tbh.

When it stops vibrating I split

So it is when the screen blacks and all the orange is gone

I asked Emray about that and the answer confused tf out of me

Thanks @digital jewel

[digital jewel]

yea

[versed elbow]

Switch

[thorny ginkgo]

pathetic

Jkjk

[charred sigil]

platforming is harder for some people than bosses

or just less fun

it's no big deal

[thorny ginkgo]

We all did

[charred sigil]

i know some people who would prefer p5 or absrad to colosseum 3

[thorny ginkgo]

...

[granite field]

honestly for me deepnest is fine, but when It comes to do dark rooms that can be tough

[versed elbow]

I need to improve my Beast's Den. I'm horrible against Devout

They make me panic

[granite field]

it's not "hard" it mostly requier a decent amount of practice and learning to do it consistently

In my opinion

[deft flame]

im horrible against wall spiders

[granite field]

but still a lot of effort

[deft flame]

thats not how you make them fast though, you need to damage boost, which can be scary sometimes

[fleet rose]

are the crossroads and queens gardens acid skips possible in 1.4.3.2?

[deft flame]

yes

[fleet rose]

ok, thx

[versed elbow]

I still use alt deepnest route. Haven't learned QGA yet. Everyone learns Crossroads Acid Skip tho. It's pretty easy to learn and it's muscle memory once you get it

My next big skip I'm practicing is e-pogo

Yea that one. The explosion pogo

[granite field]

I've seen differents strats for e-pogo

[versed elbow]

People claim it's easier on Switch

So I'mma test that one

[deft flame]

i think on switch its harder than 1221

[versed elbow]

Easiest CP version

[deft flame]

but its at least faster than current patch on PC bc you dont have to turn on vsync

[versed elbow]

Should've specified

I've honestly been forgetting to set chinese.

I wonder how much time I'm losing on english text scrolling

[harsh mason]

depends on category

[versed elbow]

Any%

[harsh mason]

a significant amount

[versed elbow]

That moment when swapping languages is your next big timesave lol

[formal bough]

32.82s Francais
32.31s Deustch
31.57s Italiano
31.10s Espanol
30.99s English
26.71s Japanese
26.70s Korean
25.10s Chinese
This was just lemm comparison

[granite field]

I remember running on French for a long time, just for stag stations. But recently I've learned that this was the slowest one

[versed elbow]

5 seconds literally free

[harsh mason]

i think its 20-30seconds

[formal bough]

that was any% lemm

[versed elbow]

On just Lemm

Is that time spent at Lemm or each one of his dialogues?

[deft flame]

damn that's much more than i thought it would be

[harsh mason]

several minutes on 1xx%

[formal bough]

total any% lemm

[versed elbow]

Ah aight

[formal bough]

(I think)

[granite field]

I don't have a clue of why the french is longer

[versed elbow]

Wonder how much it takes off Dreamnail split

[harsh mason]

english is quite condensed

[versed elbow]

Boutta gold that shit with ease lol

[formal bough]

I think etimo because when you take a word you add about a billion vowels. Instead of eat eaueaot

[limpid ruin]

Chinese saves you a lifetime of hornet dialogue

[harsh mason]

its 20seconds on pc overall

[granite field]

Very true lol

[harsh mason]

i assume its more on console, because it runs like shit

[granite field]

there is a few categories like 4MS where it doesn't matter that much. the only dialogue is when you let Sly free

I think in those specific cases it's almost nothing of a gain time

[harsh mason]

thats a really cool story

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[jagged vault]

elbendy, perhaps #hk-discussion is a better channel for this?

[median gull]

actually i disagree a lot

4ms is such a short category

1 or 2s matters a lot in 4ms

[regal viper]

Hey I'm pretty new to speedrunning and I'm very interested in current patch any% (since I play on switch). Is this the right Channel to ask for route and resoueces?

[deft flame]

yes

[jagged vault]

yup! you've come to the right place

[regal viper]

Well tbf not new to speedrunning but new to HK speedruns

[granite field]

does it really add 1-2s ? you're probably right I don't realize

[median gull]

I think it is at least 1s faster

[regal viper]

Nicee!

[jagged vault]

for any% CP, ManicJamie has made a great guide for the route, it should be under the guides on Speedrun.com/hollowknight

[deft flame]

jamie's guide will probably be useful to you, in case you haven't seen it yet: https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/gq0g3

[jagged vault]

any% CP is very similar to any% NMG on 1221

so i recommend you watch fireb0rn's tutorial series on the category (while keeping in mind that some tricks are patched on current patch)

the route is the exact same, and he also covers a lot of general strategy that will be useful

[regal viper]

That's great!

[versed elbow]

Another Switch runner?

Welcome, brother

[jagged vault]

also, watching one or two current patch any% runs might be good, just to know what's different inbetween current patch and 1221, and what you can't do

the main things are 2cycle uumuu, leverskips, and the baldur instakill

[regal viper]

Yo hi! Thanks

[jagged vault]

inventory drops and explosion pogo are doable but a lot harder

[versed elbow]

As a side note to that, apparently Switch has the easiest CP Explosion Pogo

[jagged vault]

lower framerate yeah

[deft flame]

also hollow knight is significantly faster/harder

so dont worry if you have trouble with it, its just hard

[regal viper]

Lag is pretty pog

[versed elbow]

Hollow Parry Knight

[jagged vault]

there's also the queen's gardens hazard respawn, THK being buffed, and the mantis petras having a bit more health

[daring coral]

also might be worth bearing in mind that multiple categories exist and all skills makes one of the hardest parts easier and removes what sounds like the hardest part from any%

[regal viper]

No big deal, I'll be patient, thanks for advice

[jagged vault]

both any% and all skills are generally seen as the best beginner categories

[versed elbow]

You're gonna spend hours learning Watcher Knights and still lose runs to them. That's my #1 piece of advice to new runners. Do not let them tilt you

Because they're really good at it

[regal viper]

I get tilted with them in pantheon, I suck at them😂

[jagged vault]

they're the largest barrier when starting out in any% yeah

[deft flame]

yeah i suggest when you get to that point you start keeping a save just for WK practice

[jagged vault]

you can download practice saves from speedrun.com if you're on PC

[regal viper]

Same as other games, cool

[jagged vault]

pair that with the debug mod for the best practice method

[regal viper]

Switch user, sadly

[jagged vault]

ah

[versed elbow]

Best way to practice them on Console- Get a save at them, spire bench, once you have the last one 1v1 just save/quit out.

If you have the last one 1v1 ever you should never lose

[regal viper]

Okay

[mellow minnow]

Which one is the spire bench ?

[jagged vault]

the one next to where the lever skip is performed

[stray kestrel]

the one to the left by the lever skip room

[versed elbow]

^

[jagged vault]

the first room in the watcher's spire

to the left from there i mean

[versed elbow]

The first room after spire pogo

[mellow minnow]

Lever skip in Resting ground?

[versed elbow]

Also worth mentioning, there's no shame for using that as a safety bench in runs.

Lever skip to Watcher Knights

Only possible on 1.2.2.1

[mellow minnow]

I dont remember a lever skip there 😅

[jagged vault]

city of tears

[versed elbow]

Are you on console?

[mellow minnow]

Is that the one near the stag ?

[deft flame]

no, its before watcher knights

[versed elbow]

No, it's the one before Watcher Knights

[jagged vault]

it's the one you do to skip killing the great husk sentry in the left of the room

makes you skip the lightup trigger of the right section and do the last few dashes in darkness

[daring coral]

god i hate those few dashes

[mellow minnow]

Ohhhhh

[daring coral]

my brain breaks

[mellow minnow]

I'm an idiot

[daring coral]

its like 3 inputs and i always fail it

[jagged vault]

to this day, after running this game for however many months, i still use the safe strat

that being dashing all the way to the right wall and jumping left

[versed elbow]

Anyway, @regal viper like I said, if you don't feel confident about your Watcher Knight game in a run use spire bench as a safety bench. Even if you kill them first try it's like 4-6 seconds lost at most.

[daring coral]

i do the same

im so terrible if i have to play blind or in dark rooms

[versed elbow]

Dark rooms scare the fuck outta me

[deft flame]

maybe try current patch, it has no scary dark rooms

[limpid ruin]

It's practice practice practice

They're hard as heck at first

But then when you learn them 👀

[daring coral]

i have aphantasia so im completley fucked

tho the setups are pretty good

[limpid ruin]

Not being able to see it in your head is workaroundable

[daring coral]

yeah, i just fully trust in the setups and hope

[limpid ruin]

Just needs more experience

[versed elbow]

I have to imagine after doing dark rooms enough you can mentally see them

Like you can see them in your head without the lantern

[mellow minnow]

Wanted to ask - After selling your items to Lem, why dont you just save quit back to the bench by the stag ? I'm guessing there's a reason

[harsh mason]

you mean after doing lurien

[carmine yew]

Current patch has dark rooms for all skills as well so that’s not a good solution lol

[harsh mason]

lurien is a hard save

[daring coral]

yay

[versed elbow]

CP Any% doesn't

[mellow minnow]

Ohh

[daring coral]

oh sorry i forgot to disable ping

[versed elbow]

We just have Nail 0 WKs and Nail 0 HK

[pure vault]

I also have aphantasia, dark rooms are just memorizing inputs and timing them

[versed elbow]

Lmao

[harsh mason]

i have aphantasia

and i have no issue with dark rooms

[daring coral]

i guess i just need to learn

[harsh mason]

even setupless playing the entire game

[pure vault]

yea I don’t see the rooms in my head or anything

[daring coral]

really?

[harsh mason]

yeah

i cant see the rooms in my head, but i can probably draw a pretty good outline of most of them

[daring coral]

i ended up going windowed and pulling up an image of it all brightened in my casual playthrough

[regal viper]

Guys thank you for help, you guys recieved amazingly, I'm going to start with everything un a couple hours, much loves

[daring coral]

even with lantern

[versed elbow]

I feel like an idiot asking... What's Aphantasia?

[harsh mason]

no minds eye

you can't imagine visual images

[stray kestrel]

inability to visualize things in your head

[daring coral]

lack of a "minds eye" is the way its usualy put

[versed elbow]

So as an example... If you're in the middle of a run and you're at a part where you're autopiloting movement you can't mentally picture what you're about to do in the next room?

[harsh mason]

i know what im going to do

i just cant see it

[versed elbow]

That sounds rough. Props to you guys running with that

[daring coral]

personaly, i my auto pilot knows what ill do, and when i do things, i just dont know what itll look like

[versed elbow]

I remember doing Odyssey runs and for hours practicing I'd be mentally visualizing where I had to position Mario in the next room

[harsh mason]

i cant imagine what a dining room looks like

but i know a dining room has a table and chairs, and i know what tables and chairs "look" like

[daring coral]

its not too bad, and i think most people handle it better than i do because im lazy and incompetent

yeah, city is blue and has lots of curved architecture, but i dont know what it actually is specificaly

[versed elbow]

Goddamn, it's kinda crazy how some people take the ability to see what the room they're about to be in looks like without being there for granted now.

[daring coral]

i reckon most people probably have something like that, their brain does some aspect of something oddly and they never notice because theyre just used to it

[versed elbow]

Props to you for running with it

Especially a category with dark rooms

[harsh mason]

like kings pass looks something like this

but i couldn't tell you what colour it is

ignore my lack of correct scale

[daring coral]

its blue right?

[formal bough]

you left out the most important part, fury

[harsh mason]

fury is in there

i just didn't have space to draw a chest

[daring coral]

KP has a general blue hue?

[stray kestrel]

like an unsaturated blue

[daring coral]

yeah

thats how i tend to remember things

however i describe them upon seing them, which is usualy primarily colour

though some things i can do more detailed

i think i can draw relativley detailed maps for a few levels in hitman

i could probably do the general directions of the AS route

[tardy sable]

i think when you ran a route at least like 10 times through you probably can give a drawing of most rooms you pass through

maybe not the first room in fungal, because I just know where to inventory drop, barely know what the room is actually like

[daring coral]

i could probably do the general shape of most rooms?

[harsh mason]

draw jonis

[tardy sable]

😦

[meager current]

very accurate, you get gold star

[tardy sable]

i have went there a grand total of 3 times

[meager current]

[thorn jasper]

stick figures are jennifers. red arrow is dive shortcut

[meager current]

jennifers

[formal bough]

I think that is mostely accurate, but it feels like there are more platforms than that

like a lot more

[thorn jasper]

yeah I think there are more platforms too

[thorn jasper]

Leaping Husks

[meager current]

yes ik

what about the flies

[thorn jasper]

there are too many flies for me to have put in that effort

[meager current]

ok

[maiden bane]

Every blue pixel on this diagram represents a vengefly

[meager current]

hmm understandable, have a great day

[haughty fossil]

slaurent only drew the platforms relevant for doing the darkroom

[thorn jasper]

I drew the platforms that I remember seeing in the dark

[harsh mason]

what

oh i see

thats jonis and i meant lifeblood

[digital jewel]

[harsh mason]

that is kinda close to jonis though

i think theres a few more important platforms

the items are same xero

useless and blue

[median gull]

this is usually jonis when check joni's is a goal

hope i helped

[uneven scarab]

This belongs in #randomizer tho

[meager current]

thats just a black image

:/

[median gull]

are you sure?

[uneven scarab]

Wait, vanilla bingo?!?

[median gull]

yea, really boring but it exists

any% to claw then you route your stuff

[uneven scarab]

Can u use benchwarp?

[median gull]

no it is vanilla

no qol

no benchwarp

nothing

[maiden bane]

DAB except boring

[uneven scarab]

Welp

[median gull]

unless you and your other friend decide to use mods ofc

[fervent dock]

What's a good time for running from the beginning of soul sanctum to leaving it

[median gull]

You should always set a goal for yourself and try to break it.

[versed elbow]

Column 3 looks like the best one.

[rugged perch]

Has anyone seen this before? Idk if it would have any relevance anywhere since it seems slower than an inventory drop. Current patch. https://youtu.be/Pbxmf8N_T98

[digital jewel]

yep this is known but I don't know of any actual uses for it

[knotty vigil]

Can be used at the end of the FC fight and at one spot in QG, but neither save significant time

[dry sluice]

bring back cdash drops

[digital jewel]

[dry sluice]

where's the clip of the spike tunnel using a cdash drop

good clip

[limpid ruin]

Monstah or vali had a clip of dream nail drop onto No Eyes after finishing the fight in 112 I think

[dry sluice]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/129048874

[formal bough]

what the hell is that that's insane

[rugged perch]

That’s a hell of a spike tunnel

[formal bough]

can that be cp?

[daring coral]

i assume thats harder than the regular skip

[stuck raptor]

it's a very old skip

doesn't work anymore

[daring coral]

f

[stuck raptor]

i think it was patched out by hidden dreams

maybe it still works on that patch.

[daring coral]

what patch no is hidden dreams?

[haughty fossil]

1.1.x.x

[daring coral]

ah ok

[obtuse dome]

maybe could've been sub 1 hour but I died to thk's head in the last phase while spamming ddark lmao. Pretty good for a casual run/route!

[snow dome]

Firstly: Owned.
Secondly: Well done!

[obtuse dome]

<3 I'll try for sub 1 hour later. Considering learning all skills too, because fuck the any% watcher knights fight

[snow dome]

All Skills is rad, and there's a tonne of people running it at all different skill levels so you can find a stream at almost any time.

[obtuse dome]

Sweet, i'll check the route out for sure!

[knotty vigil]

today it starts

grind for sub 3:30 on P1

pelasehelpme

[vivid kraken]

hey there y'all, i was wondering if anybody might be willing to help with something i'm doing for twitch with another streamer. one of my viewers got me to do a 106% playthrough (non-GM). i got another streamer to play an any% casual. we have started discussing doing what we want to call "the noob race" where we run against more experienced players. (currently have a steel souls runner in) but were looking for a bit of insight on routes and necessary bosses/items for NMG... as well as offering to let others run against us

would anybody be interested in helping or challenging?

[formal bough]

the pins have good routes

there are a lot of guides on srcom

[steady lynx]

emray might be up for running against you

[grizzled maple]

blue fire was released today

[steady lynx]

nvm, she's busy

[grizzled maple]

i am uhh, booked up lol

[vivid kraken]

lol

[grizzled maple]

i mean i could maybe wing it, but it depends on when. the hk speed community is also doing a marathon this month and im committed to that too

[steady lynx]

Idrk who currently runs 106 though, maybe vali

[stark stream]

sounds fun tbh. i sorta wanna stream but also meh. i dont wanna spend all my time streaming

[granite field]

I might end up learning some of 106% route because of the Keyboard vs Controller race tho

not sure when

[grizzled maple]

it'll be easier on people who are new to 106 once we know whos in. the teams will probably figure out together where to put people so new people dont end up with the hard parts

also might not even be controller vs kb because theres a LOT more kb players turns out

[jagged vault]

Yep, i’m.... egh, working on it haha

Any chance we can convert some people?

[grizzled maple]

imo a race divided based on seed rather than input method would be better

[granite field]

I can use multiple controllers if needed

[grizzled maple]

that way the talent is distributed evenly

[jagged vault]

Yeah, considering that

[lucid stirrup]

Impossible any%. Also, you can place dgates out of those

[jagged vault]

But i’m working on a draft schedule for the thingy, i think i’m pretty much done with it

Then it’s just contact everyone

[granite field]

Also one thing kinda sad, I talked with tinkerknight a bit and he doesn't really known about the event, or the signups end-date. He seemed interested for the kb vs controller

I mean he wasn't aware of,( if it's the correct word)

[grizzled maple]

a lot of people at first were confused and didnt select it because they dont run 106, they didnt realize it was meant to be a comfy relay and they would only need to learn a segment

[jagged vault]

Yeah that was on me

Oopsie

[grizzled maple]

but yeah submissions were posted about in #races-announcements iirc

[jagged vault]

I should have made that clear

[granite field]

also, tinker would have been in the controller team (= the cool people )

[lucid stirrup]

i selected it because i would only have to learn 1 segment and i read

[jagged vault]

There were a surprising amount of people that said no to participating but still chose a team lol

[wheat orbit]

My shade got stuck in the place with the Great Husk Sentry and the Lance sentry and now my run is dead I think

like the room where you have to go in current patch because lever skip doesnt exist

[grizzled maple]

just get some soul and try to fireball it

[wheat orbit]

oh through the gate

[grizzled maple]

oh you mean youre on 1221 and you died on the left side under the bench?

you should still be able to just drop in and fireball it, if youre benched at spire already just save quit out

[wheat orbit]

oh save quitting

thanks for reminding me of that thing

[grizzled maple]

it be like that sometimes

[jagged vault]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[jagged vault]

#hk-meme perhaps?

[versed elbow]

I don't want this to become a meme

[steady lynx]

Can a mod yeet that?

[versed elbow]

No share.

[jagged vault]

Speaking of meme cats, have you heard of All Stag Stations? The most enjoyable and totally not at all cursed category out there?

[lucid stirrup]

this is meme cat. help meme cat die in peace by never posting him again.

[granite field]

thanks for this laugh

[stiff delta]

ass is ass

[stray kestrel]

all stags nmms has no shade skips

[steady lynx]

I don't think that it's a coincidence that the acronym is ASS

[jagged vault]

It isn’t

I originally proposed Stagnest%

[stiff delta]

The whole cat is just 1 shade skip basically right?

[jagged vault]

But people thought of tje funni

[stray kestrel]

nmg yea and dark deepnest i believe

[jagged vault]

Tk there’s a lot more to it

[steady lynx]

It's one cursed shade skip and a lot of cursed arenas

[stray kestrel]

and qg

[stiff delta]

But like thats the goober part

[jagged vault]

Darknest, extremely underleved QG arenas,

[lucid stirrup]

ASS is logically a better name than stagnest% though, because stagnest isn't a %

[jagged vault]

Geo routing, movement

Fun times

[stiff delta]

Elderbug%

[granite field]

Uh yeah the area before stag of queen's garden

That looks horrible

[jagged vault]

Frogs right after too

With no cdash or shade cloak

[lucid stirrup]

elderbug is also not a % hence why that cat name kinda sucks

[steady lynx]

Great Hopper%

[stiff delta]

Kings pass...%

[lucid stirrup]

aside from the fact that you have to talk to the worst character so it already sucks

[jagged vault]

It’s completely honestly one of my favorite categories

I love ASS tbh

[steady lynx]

I thought your favorite was TE

[jagged vault]

Dont take that out of context

[stiff delta]

I already have

[steady lynx]

It's already been screenshotted, don't worry

[stiff delta]

@ mods pin message

its completely h

[lucid stirrup]

[hearty adder]

tfw you check the chat after being away all day and the first thing you see is Blue saying he loves ass

[normal aspen]

Haha who would name the category something like that

[haughty fossil]

not a responsible orange name like yourself, ins0mnia, of course!

[daring coral]

i read that as responsible orange and was very confused

infact i might steal the phrase "responsible orange" for future use

[digital jewel]

Happy apple

[normal aspen]

Melancholy Mandarin

[proud vessel]

Dead Dragonfruit

[granite field]

Sad Lemon

[proud vessel]

Loser Lemon

[versed elbow]

So much this

[tardy sable]

how do you even practice uumuu on console

[steady lynx]

You do a full run up to Uumuu, fight it and repeat

[tardy sable]

damn

that also means getting cdash

[versed elbow]

Practicing the CDash split isn't a bad idea

I literally saved 6 minutes on a run by not dying there

1:02

So close

[daring coral]

just save 6 minutes every run and have wr in likr 6 attempts

[tardy sable]

damn, why didn't i think of that

[daring coral]

oof

gotta yeet it for efficiency

[stark stream]

u dont have to

you can just. rename it to another slot or back it up

what console?

You could just create a speedrunning profile too

[grizzled maple]

i have my real account, then assorted speedrun accounts for practice files or runs

because i also run other switch games like pokemon

if you dont have attachment then go ahead, but you dont have to

[daring coral]

well shit

i meant to practice runs today

its nearly 3am

oof

[versed elbow]

3am practice runs result in interesting feats.

When you're so tired auto-pilot takes over.

[daring coral]

im so inexperienced that i dont have autopilot

[versed elbow]

That's factual

[steady lynx]

Just do it anyway, see what happens

[daring coral]

as in, i am still practicing, i dont know even know where to go after a certain point

[steady lynx]

Just wing it

[daring coral]

and im currently learning spike tunnel skip and am horribly inconsistent, i dont want to build bad muscle memory

[versed elbow]

Sounds like a great idea to do a 3am run to me

Gusten and I are on the same brainwave

[daring coral]

sure fuck it

im starting a run

[versed elbow]

Fuck yea

We gottem

[daring coral]

im going to regret this

[versed elbow]

100%

[daring coral]

i have a lesson tomorrow

[versed elbow]

Ohh... in that case, consider sleep

[daring coral]

nope

you did this

[versed elbow]

I am not being held responsible for bad grades

If you get a WR however, I will be held responsible for that

Here's the real question for you

Smooth or Wrinkles? Which brain better?

[daring coral]

ok so i finished KP after taking 3 hits

im making the executive decision that no

nah man, smooth brain much better

[versed elbow]

Wait... 3 hits... There are only 5 enemies

I don't like that I know the enemy count

In King's Pass

[daring coral]

1 to the second floor boi, 2 to the vengefly youre supposed to pogo

exactly, smooth better

[versed elbow]

Shit, probably

My early game is the worst part of my runs

In every game

[daring coral]

i have abandoned the run

sleepy me is good at homework, but clearly not at speed

[versed elbow]

I learned one thing while in High School

There's no motivation like last minute procrastination

[daring coral]

procrastination is my greatest skill

especially now that corona means my teachers have no control over me

i do try to pay atention, and some of my teachers are good, but some of them make a brick wall look charismatic

my fm teacher this morning took an hour to confuse the whole class then linked a 5 minute video that explained the whole thing perfectly

[short spire]

fireb0rn?

[formal bough]

fireb0rn?

[steady lynx]

fireb0rn?

[thorn jasper]

fireb0rn

[stiff delta]

omg hi

[neon island]

omg hi

[steady lynx]

I was here and I have no idea

[thorn jasper]

This person asked about fireb0rn. Some other folks had the same question. I provided the answer

To actually answer, yes fireb0rn is a Hollow Knight speedrunner. Did you have a specific question?

[median gull]

I can translate your question if you want to, just DM me.

Eu posso traduzir/responder quaisquer pergunta que você tiver, mas manda no DM.

He's brazilian/portuguese, idk if any other language will help him

[proud vessel]

fireb0rn?

[grizzled maple]

Hi fireb0rn reception desk, how can i help you?

[fervent dock]

Heyo

During my runs I am finding that after I sell my stuff to lemm, I'm usually short by atleast 200-300 geo and need to end up going elsewhere to farm this money (I know you need atleast 2400 after Salubra for Lumafly Lantern, King's station, DV, and the CP dark room.)
Where does this extra geo come from?

[grizzled maple]

Which category

[uneven scarab]

Any% journal?

[fervent dock]

Any% NMG 1.2.2.1

[grizzled maple]

Are you getting a nail upgrade?

[fervent dock]

And the difference is more 400-500 but I usually have the 2150 after a bit of farming you need for KS and Lumafly

Nah

[uneven scarab]

Seal above kings station?

[fervent dock]

Go tit

[grizzled maple]

You sound like you're missing a journal. Thats not negligible

[fervent dock]

Err

No I still get the journal

That is in the room in the middle of the elevator it doesn't stop at

ah

I must be skipping gorgeous husk by accident

😔

[devout nymph]

👀

[stark stream]

i can never skip the gorgeous husk. every night when i close my eyes, I think about her beautiful shell. her glow is burned into my eyes, and i see her around every corner. every moment of my life is just a quest towards seeing her again.

[raven holly]

Even with Gorgeous Husk you still need to end up collecting about 150ish geo from enemies before lantern. The magic number is 2332

[uneven scarab]

Maybe include it in ur splits, that way u won’t forget?

[fervent dock]

Nah I just won't forget it from now on

Tbh I skimmed over the WR run just to get a general sense of what the route was just to experience it myself

So I must have missed Gorgeous Husk and thought that was something you didn't do

which is my fault

[stark stream]

there's a text guide u can use that goes through all the important stuff

[small magnet]

Does anyone find it easier to do fireball skips when drunk, but everything else is way way harder

[deft flame]

just always do runs drunk then the rest won't be as hard anymore

[uneven scarab]

better yet, don't drink at all and be mentally sharp for everything

[stark stream]

explosion pogo is just. so impossible for me to do reliably

i've yet to find any strategy that does it effectively. emray's lil thing works at basically the same rate for me as the basic one

omfg

here's a couple tries in case anyone can see what i do wrong, but nvm its actually me succeeding bc apparently i cant fail when i need to

[uneven scarab]

That looks great

just keep practicing

[stark stream]

yea because i only succeed when im trying to get someone to help see why im failing

here's what normally happens. im just. not high enough

i think i figured it out sorta. i thought i would jump higher by bouncing off it earlier, but if i let it come closer to the ground, then i actually get more height

[uneven scarab]

so your nail swings are spaced a bit too far apart. You're letting yourself fall a tiny bit before doing the second nail hit and that causes you to lose height

[stark stream]

complaining about it a bunch and watching the videos finally made me figure it out. it might've been that, but it seems like waiting a bit longer for it to get closer to the ground made all the difference

waiting til it barely hits the top of the lil background shroom seems to work for me

gotta be standing in the exact middle of the shroom tho. a lil too much on either side ruins it

[proud vessel]

maybe try going a little closer to the door, that seemed to help me get it

[uneven scarab]

for 1221 I recommend also learning how to do epogo without dashing as it will help when you in fact do input a dash

[stark stream]

do you got a video of that?

not sure how you could do it without dash

well, emray can but its a totally different way

yis that way

i called it emray bc she showed me it last night

[uneven scarab]

or in rando with qol installed

[stark stream]

yee but i've been known and used for about three days. i sorta ran before, but i didnt take it seriously trying to do skips like this

somehow my pb back then was better than my pb now since i was so good at the skipless ways

any% nmg

im getting the explosion pogo like 80% of the time in practice since i figured out that timing

cool

do you happen to know how to delete dreamgates from the debug menu in 1221?

i press the delete button, but they dont seem to be deleted

wait i figured it out. you click delete and then click the one ya wanna delete. strange

[stark stream]

I can get the three bosses fairly easy although i occasionally die to them. doubly so to the hecker knights

[fickle igloo]

I had no idea you could stand that close to the wall :o also hi! new here :D

[midnight storm]

Are you on current patch ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wdfFMLblz4 Did you look at that ?

Epogo on current patch is one of the hardest skip in the game

Saves like 20 seconds if I'm correct

[leaden python]

it's definitely more than 20 seconds. I think it's like 25 if your going around movement is really good

and you smash that mantis pogo

[midnight storm]

I used the low% set up with dashes for any% and it's really consistent

Oh my bad, 25 seconds then

[fervent dock]

Used an alternate route this time, had been brainstorming it all afternoon, and I'm sure it's not original either, but it was fun to just play around with the ideas. It's definitely slower, but the fights are a lot more consistent and faster atleast and even got a PB out of it

[knotty vigil]

really nice ❤️

[fervent dock]

Thank you

[stark stream]

i believe the standard any%nmg route is only the fastest discovered if you do it perfectly

It has the fastest speed potential, not necessarily the fastest speed for you

[fervent dock]

Yee

[stark stream]

gg

[fervent dock]

Now it's just a matter of

Optimizing everything

Died to uumuu once by a split second when she was super low, and it took about 20-30 tries for acid skip (Probably just gonna do the alternate route tbqh)

[midnight storm]

Which acid skip ? The one to go to Uumuu or QGA ?

[fervent dock]

QGA

the one to uumuu is pretty easy, I even accidentally discovered it in a normal playthrough on my first save

[midnight storm]

Yeah QGA is pretty hard

[fervent dock]

I don't have the mashing speed to make the dash stutter any worthwhile

so my best bet is just kind of going at it

But if acid skip has taken like 2 minutes when I could just walk for an extra bit for 20 seconds, then I definitely should do that

[midnight storm]

It's about how you feel it, you can continue doing QGA so you will improve and be used to it slowly, or do Deepnest and instant save time + safer route but you will have to learn QGA again later

[fervent dock]

Actually I think I force myself to do QGA

The idea of the alternate route was to shave off any time related to things like
Saving sly, going to buy the lumafly, getting money for lumafly etc etc

So I do have to do that deepnest room by memory

[midnight storm]

Oh yeah, you skip lantern

So you are doing dark deepnest

[fervent dock]

Yeah

[midnight storm]

Yeah full dark deepnest is somethinng

QGA is a good idea then

[fervent dock]

It isn't too bad once you get a general idea of the shape of the room

[stark stream]

you don't mash

[fervent dock]

It's so short that training your muscle memory doesn't take a while

[stark stream]

you just. have to time it right by pressing it once, maybe twice

[fervent dock]

If you mash against the wall fast enough, you can slow your hang on the wall by a bit, but you have to mash really well to make it useful

[stark stream]

maybe

[fervent dock]

Makes it so you can watch your character and know when to stop mashing and just hold it

But the once press is what I'm gonna have to do

[knotty vigil]

Dashing into that ledge helps because you can start C-Dash the moment you hit the wall

[fervent dock]

Oh?

I’ll have to practice that instead

Thank you

For some reason I had practiced it a month ago without dashes and got a semi-consistent method of using a visual que after walking off and then immediately pulling right and hitting super dash but

Idk why I never thought to use dash

[knotty vigil]

Its about preference, but dash is generally safer i think

idk im a pantheon speedrunner lmao

[fervent dock]

I assume it halts your vertical movement

[knotty vigil]

yeah

[fervent dock]

Cause it definitely just feels like without dash I just

Instantly slide into the acid without much time to read/react/get a feel for it

I bet with the dash you can set up a visual que of sorts but idk

Thank you very much

[knotty vigil]

you're welcome. only reason i figured it out is cause impossible any% lmao

Good luck with your runs and hope to see a bluename someday lmao

[fervent dock]

Yeah, I’m waiting for the 1:03 I got the other day to get verified, but I probably won’t upload another one until I get sub-50

Also what’s different about impossible any%

[knotty vigil]

there is no alternate route in impossible 🙃

[fervent dock]

Ah

[knotty vigil]

also good job on posing

posting*

i didnt upload my first speedrun until two days ago when i got sub 5min on p1 lmao

[fervent dock]

Lol

Honestly I’m a bit upset cause I had ignore obs’s warning about overloads

[knotty vigil]

and then you ran out of space?

[fervent dock]

So the video I uploaded was a stuttering trash bag so I’m

[knotty vigil]

oh

thats not as bad but it might prevent a verify

[fervent dock]

Working on trying to get another run in ASAP

[knotty vigil]

yeah thats a good idea

[fervent dock]

Cause I did fix the stuttering

[knotty vigil]

good luck!

[fervent dock]

Thanks!

[knotty vigil]

❤️

[fervent dock]

❤️

[knotty vigil]

Time to spend from 5am to 8am doing nothing but staring at vengefly king because good rng doesnt exist lmao

[golden bobcat]

How does load remover and autosplitter work? I haven't bought it on PC yet but that might be a determining factor

[knotty vigil]

idk what load remover is but i know autosplit uses in game events to detect when you do something

so for example if you pick up a charm

[sonic crane]

Livesplit auto splitter reads the hollow knight memory and pauses he timer during loads and splits when flags gets set

[knotty vigil]

the game can track that and so can livesplit

thats a better explanation heh

[golden bobcat]

What things can it detect?

[sonic crane]

Bosses defeated, items picked up, areas entered, enemies defeated,

[knotty vigil]

most major events and anything that the game can track

[golden bobcat]

Can it track selling to Lemm?

[midnight storm]

Yes

[golden bobcat]

Can it track dreamers being killed?

[midnight storm]

yes

You mean dream warriors ?

[golden bobcat]

No

Dreamers

[sonic crane]

If you install livesplit and open the hollow knight auto splitter you can look at the list

[midnight storm]

Oh yeah dreames yes

[sonic crane]

There’s splits for dreamers yes

[digital jewel]

there's splits for most things you would want

and new ones can be added

[golden bobcat]

The thing is that I don't own the game on PC yet

[sonic crane]

Don’t need the game for livesplit

I think the auto splitter has a github page for the source too

[jagged vault]

you cannot use the autosplitter for console runs

livesplit is still useful for timing though

you just have to time in real time and split manually

[golden bobcat]

How do I set autosplits?

[jagged vault]

when you choose the game in Edit Splits, there will be a prompt for it

then you click on the autosplitter settings and configure them from that window

[golden bobcat]

I only see a load remover

[jagged vault]

it's the same

they're the same program, it does both

[haughty fossil]

eg

[golden bobcat]

Ok

[lofty bronze]

does livesplit have pantheon of hallownest autosplits?

[haughty fossil]

yes

[lofty bronze]

oh good and nice

[jagged vault]

yes, you just need to make sure to have Ordered splits on

[haughty fossil]

🐌 me

[jagged vault]

if not it doesn't work

[lofty bronze]

you'll probably see me asking again when my pc is back and i start doing pantheon runs lol

[golden bobcat]

If I click add split and choose Vengeful Spirit, will it trigger the "Vengeful Spirit" split when I get it?

Do I have to connect it to the specific split or something?

[jagged vault]

set them in order

but yes, what you are doing is adding the triggers for when the autosplitter splits

it won't split the VS split, it'll split the next split

but as long as all the triggers are there and you actually get the items in the correct order it's practically the same thing

[fervent dock]

^

Don't do what I did and think you got a super fast mantis claw because you accidentally went to gruz mother first

[haughty fossil]

claw skip

[deft thorn]

are TE geo rocks the ones left bottom of well?

[digital jewel]

only cats that get xroads stag on the way to fk get those rocks

[deft thorn]

I'm trying to compare times for getting autopilot vs getting well relic for the any% shade soul route

which gets xroads stag

so I was wondering which geo rocks those are

are these the only ones you need?

[digital jewel]

I believe 1xx gets those + the rocks on the way to fury

[deft thorn]

ah, thanks :)

[digital jewel]

and low% gets the well rocks + the rocks in the goam room after aspid arena

[deft thorn]

is there any appreciable difference between the two?

[digital jewel]

well whatever low% does is faster if you're not getting fury

[deft thorn]

alright thanks :)

[digital jewel]

this isn't a general chat

[meager current]

ye

[vague jolt]

What is the difference between the Relic Dealer Lemm and Relic Dealer Lemm Shop autosplits?

[digital jewel]

the first is talking to him on the right side

the second one is talking to him on the left which actually opens his shop

[vague jolt]

Right side as in just chatting to him, or rescuing him from the fountain?

[jagged vault]

him being at the fountain is triggered by getting a dreamer if i remember correctly

[vague jolt]

So the Relic Dealer Lemm autosplit is kinda useless?

[digital jewel]

yes

[vague jolt]

Oh, if you're running plando I guess?

[haughty fossil]

i'd assume right side lemm is unchanged

[vague jolt]

Also is there an easy way to clear all my times in livesplit?

Oh nvm I found it

[stark stream]

is it any dreamer or the hecker knight one specifically?

[haughty fossil]

any

[stark stream]

neat

[vivid kraken]

Okay, update on my post yesterday about the streamer "noob race" in case anyone else wants to try and make it, it will be done on a weekend (likely Saturday) on twitch. It's going to be a challenge any% with crystal guardian and nosk added.

[granite field]

The nosk addition is interesting

[steady lynx]

I'd kinda be up for it but I play on console

[granite field]

actually Crystal Guardian isn't much of a detour when you go for Cdash, still cool to add it

and for Nosk I think it's a great idea

[vivid kraken]

Yeah, we essentially both added our most hated bosses

[granite field]

aaah makes sense 😄

[vivid kraken]

I love nosk, especially with the skip. But give me linework bullet hell and I scream

... has flashbacks to my 106% casual 4hours of radiance fight

[jaunty anvil]

i got a pc so i can finally rrecord n submit runs !!!

[meager current]

pog

[vivid kraken]

Also, I may be able to screencap discord streams for those who don't have twitch

[granite field]

Why not adding soul master? I think having the Dive can makes the run a bit easier for some parts and fights and this requiere to do the soul sanctum, I think this can be nice for the concept of "noob race"

[steady lynx]

I was gonna add SM anyway so I could nuke everything with ddark

[vivid kraken]

@granite field technically I did SM as well, but we don't want to force everyone into the full noob layout. That steam walkthrough is what the noobs are mapping

[granite field]

ok I see, interesting !

[steady lynx]

Tbf I'm probably not a noob at this point

You have enough money for lantern if you know the route

[vivid kraken]

Yeah, that way people who can do any% at nice speed can try the challenge on their current route.

I'm just hoping for -5h

[granite field]

I'm up for this
will this be streamed/re-streamed ?

(and I'm a kind of a noob myself for any% especially)

[steady lynx]

Actually, screw DDark, I can just get shade soul

[vivid kraken]

We are streaming it in hopefully 3 weeks on either Saturday or sunday

[jagged vault]

how does it work? does the experienced runner get a harder route or do both run the same?

[vivid kraken]

Already have myself, the other streamer, the viewer who got us into the game (he runs steel soul), Woo and possibly going to have emray

[granite field]

Also, are the NMG rules applied or would we run on current patch without glitches, for example?

[vivid kraken]

We were going to have everyone run for fastest current patch. Emray mentioned finishing early and explaining some of the skips and such with the extra time

If you want to run same route, we are using the steam walkthrough route pinned in this channel as the base

[jagged vault]

oh the 5h achievment one?

[vivid kraken]

Yep

[jagged vault]

yeah that should work pretty well for something like this

[vivid kraken]

That way anyone who has the game and has played can compete

I'll be live till the last live video ends

[haughty fossil]

[jagged vault]

do you need any more runners to participate? i could if you need any, seems like a fun time

[granite field]

I would never have thought of doing a race based on steam walkthrough route. It can be very exciting and entertaining to see people who aren't deeply in speedrun strats to race

[haughty fossil]

can i still do epogo

i've actually completely forgotten what route the steam guide takes

[granite field]

and I guess the quitouts bench teleportations aren't autorized?

(I don't know the exact name)

[vivid kraken]

sure blue, let me add you to the group

[haughty fossil]

fire's 5 hour guide has quitouts

[vivid kraken]

etimo you in too?

[haughty fossil]

depending on timezones i could also be interested

[granite field]

Yep

[vivid kraken]

looking to do around noon EST, emray asked about saturday

[normal aspen]

ditto

i can probably make any time zone work

[haughty fossil]

that'd be doable for me too

[vivid kraken]

also, the route actually has savequits built in

[haughty fossil]

👀

[vivid kraken]

but you can just walk travel between locations as well if you need to bench for safety

[granite field]

I think I'll try savequit-less anyway, can be fun

[haughty fossil]

[elder gale]

How much toll bench In queens gardens before deepnest costs

[digital jewel]

150 I think

[jaunty anvil]

150

[normal aspen]

yeah

[elder gale]

Okay

[versed elbow]

[elder gale]

I need to add it In my notes becouse it can be sometimes really easy way to heal up fastly before dark deepnest if i have some extra cash

[normal aspen]

r u 1221 or cp?

[elder gale]

1221

[normal aspen]

coz the spiky bois below the bench are an easy heal and 0 geo

[elder gale]

Oh your right

[versed elbow]

That's the only thing that's kinda BS about 1.2.2.1 lol. You guys don't even have to worry about those spike bois.

[normal aspen]

i mean CP has a whole ass DLC area in spire

[versed elbow]

That's fair

[old sphinx]

Everytime I play on cp and get hit by those spikes I'm like "wtf"

[normal aspen]

Everytime I play on cp and get hit by those spikes I'm like "wtf"

[old sphinx]

Everytime I play on cp and get hit by those spikes I'm like "wtf"

[sturdy jay]

cp?

[versed elbow]

Honestly considering cp is where I've learned the run I don't mind it that much, but that might Switch stockholm syndrome.

[versed elbow]

Current patch

[granite field]

current patch

damn 🐌

[versed elbow]

That timing was amazing

[raven holly]

Current patch

[unkempt elk]

hello, I want take the blue name and here is my run ,thanks!
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/y8vv05xz

[charred sigil]

you got it

[unkempt elk]

thanks

[verbal junco]

is fury worth for the notch to get spell twister without overcharm?

[median gull]

Ehh, what are you trying to do?

[verbal junco]

getting 2 charm notches instead of 1

[median gull]

why?

and what are you trying to run

[verbal junco]

im not good at dodging so overcharming is off the table

[median gull]

what category are you learning?

[verbal junco]

any%

[median gull]

any% does not overcharm neither get fury or spell twister

[verbal junco]

b-but 4 spells tho

[median gull]

You should probably check WR run or fireb0rn's guide (really recommended)

Oh, there are easier versions (but slower) of any% run

You can choose to get the journal in mantis village and get nail 1 or do Nail 1 SS route

[deft thorn]

if you choose to run with fury, then overcharming is a very good idea, since you can't get hit anyway

if you don't play on running with low hp, then fury isn't worth the notch cost

[charred sigil]

No guys

you don't understand

they are saying that they would be getting fury to unlock a charm notch from salubra

not to use fury

[deft thorn]

oh

[median gull]

ehh

I understood that

[verbal junco]

the thing is im not using fury im just using it to get the charm notch from salubra so i wont be overcharmed when i use st cuz i usually get ogres charm notch anyways

[digital jewel]

rather than going so far out of the way for spell twister, you can do shaman stone + soul catcher

[charred sigil]

maybe they get dive?

[verbal junco]

i go for ddive too because i dont know most of the relic locations

[short spire]

just check out an acrual any% route and follow that

[digital jewel]

if you get dive then spell twister makes some sense

[elder gale]

where i can doiwnloadf those input hack for fireball skips, i was trying to learn to do them consistantly but its so easy to mess up and so annoying

[jagged vault]

#resources

[verbal junco]

just use mosquito skip instead

it loses like 10 seconds but its 50x easier

[charred sigil]

it's hard to give advice in these situations because the rout is so different from what we are used to