speedrunning

[rose girder]

oh, i misread lol

[plucky sparrow]

I like all skills because completing the first run is (relatively) easy so it incentivizes small improvements in a lot of areas

at least in my experience, I get really frustrated when I learn a game and can’t actually finish a run of it for ages

[rose girder]

yeah, i started learning any% a while ago but im kinda stuck in greenpath segment (not any one thing, just struggling with a lot of aspects and trying to remember)

thank you everyone!

[pine wadi]

what is elderbug%

[twin swallow]

give elderbug a delicate flower as fast as possible

[plucky sparrow]

isn’t greenpath the same in both except for the mosquito fight?

[twin swallow]

every category has a "rules" tab on SRC that explains the purpose of the category

[granite field]

good luck for early mawlek fight

[pine wadi]

etimo it really isn't that bad i haven't died once yet and ive done 3 runs

[twin swallow]

mawlek isn't impossible with no equipment, but it is kinda tricky to do fast

[granite field]

I mean yeah this is pretty much where you loose time

[whole glade]

I need some help with downpatched beginning arena kill, I play current patch a lot, is there a different strat for it? I know they are delayed do I just need to get used to their timing?

[rose girder]

not sure, probably. its mostly a thing of "ive spent so long learning greenpath that learning more difficult tricks after is going to take even longer"

[pine wadi]

i don't do it too fast tho like 1-2 minutes at best?

[digital jewel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ley-RlVA4HE

[whole glade]

so its just do it really fast got it, thank you

[meager current]

New pb

1:10:39

If I hadn't died to uumuu so many times it would've been sub 1:10:00

At least my new SoB is sub hour

[halcyon jetty]

Imagine if there was Genocide%, kill every killable NPC, boss, and get the Hunter’s Mark

[charred sigil]

That would be a lengthy category

[meager current]

Very

[strong cosmos]

Alright, serious question because I don’t wanna miscount. How many inputs do I need to complete a speed run, aka like total number of buttons I’d need to have, for skills, movement etc

[charred sigil]

possibly as long as 112% but a good deal less interesting I think

@strong cosmos I don't think anyone else has counted

[strong cosmos]

I don’t mean in a run

Like on a controller

[charred sigil]

oh

[strong cosmos]

Assuming I was taking off buttons

[stiff delta]

i get away fine with the default amont of buttons

[strong cosmos]

Oh I know, I do as well

But you see

Power glove

[stiff delta]

ah

[strong cosmos]

Yeah

[stiff delta]

how many buttons does it have

[strong cosmos]

Oh boy

Uh lots

But, I’m trying to use it’s sensors as inputs

[charred sigil]

I mean, you need dreamnail, spell, nail, jump and at least 3 directional inputs

C-dash as well

[strong cosmos]

So I’m trying to get away with using the least amount of it’s physical buttons, cuz cmon. If I’m using it why would I use its buttons. Flex sensors all the way

So at least 8

Okay

[charred sigil]

Focus

well

focus can be spell

but that makes fireball skips impossible I think

[strong cosmos]

I keep em on the same button usually

Oh does it?

Hmm okay

[charred sigil]

and if you are trying to avoid dash

you need fireball skips

[stiff delta]

run low%

ez pz

[strong cosmos]

Low%

[stiff delta]

replace dash with qc

[strong cosmos]

I’ve gotta look into that

[charred sigil]

I guess you could just keep dash and not do fireball skips?

[strong cosmos]

I could. I’m not super skilled in the game yet either

I’m just not going to look forward to WK with a power glove

[charred sigil]

I mean

are you planning on doing a speedrun

or just

trying to finish the game with the glove

[drowsy tangle]

my pb went weird, times got gluitched any wayt o remove it from livesplit as counting as pb?

[strong cosmos]

Well, I plan on beating it witht the glove. But would speed running it be more fun? Hell yeah

[charred sigil]

@drowsy tangle did you save your splits?

[drowsy tangle]

yea

[charred sigil]

I don't think there is a way to undo it if you saved the bad splits over your correct ones

[drowsy tangle]

like it was nothing when i did the pb

[charred sigil]

other than manually going in and entering the old times

[drowsy tangle]

only now that i re-entered livesplit

[charred sigil]

what is wrong with them exactly?

times too low?

[drowsy tangle]

for example one split was before in time than the one before

[meager current]

Did you know that the first split you have set in a run will always have the same split time and segment time

[drowsy tangle]

mantis claw 10:00 for example, and then shaman stone 9:42

[charred sigil]

hmmmmm

[drowsy tangle]

yeah idk

do i need to reset all of it?

not that big of deal tbh

i dont have time or energy to fix it lol

[versed elbow]

Bro, just do Any% NMG with glove @strong cosmos

Low gear WK/Uuwuu/Hollow Knight will be bad enough for you lmao.

[strong cosmos]

What’s the deal with Uuwuu

People keep mentioning as one of the more annoying ones

That’s probably what I’m going to do Shaded

But yeah, WK and hollow knight will be not fun

[neon island]

Uumuu is annoying because Uumuu can literally just take so much time away from you for no reason

And it is sometimes 100% rng and you couldn't do anything about it

You just have to take the timeloss

[strong cosmos]

Oh that’s why, for some reason I had it in my head that it was a hard fight

But Yeah I get the time loss annoyance.

[neon island]

Yeah, it is not so much hard as he is just taking time away from you

but the 2 cycle strat can be a little difficult

Especially if you dmg tank before doing one cycle, it does make it pretty easy to die

[blazing aspen]

alright sorry one final question on low nail. is there a certain patch i need?

[versed elbow]

Low nail?

Just don't upgrade the nail.

[blazing aspen]

yea im gonna try it

nah its low nail swings

[versed elbow]

Ohh

[blazing aspen]

someone sent me a route

looks insane but im gonna try

[versed elbow]

My initial thought would be 1.2.2.1?

[blazing aspen]

probably

[versed elbow]

You can skip a lot of kills that would be required if you were on 1.4.3.2

I'll make this message readable at some point don't worry

[pine wadi]

AYY 12:21.110 4MS first run done 🙂

real time btw

[versed elbow]

Any% All Glitches?

[pine wadi]

no 4ms

4 mask shards

[versed elbow]

Ohh

[blazing aspen]

ah gg

[versed elbow]

Mb

[pine wadi]

np

[versed elbow]

Gratz

[pine wadi]

im so annoyed i entered my main save during the run when u first quit at the grub at the big boi top right

so uh yea

i also need to practise the fly thing for 2nd mask

[twin swallow]

if you pogo each of the goam enemies 2-3 times you can keep the vengefly high enough to not get killed

[pine wadi]

oh i do the thing that the last place runner did instead of the first place runner because i just cant seem to do what the monster person did who is #1

monstahler

thats the name

the thing u are describing is what monstahler did

and im too bad to do that

[versed elbow]

Monstah is nuts

[pine wadi]

does he have any wrs apart from 4ms?

or high placements?

[versed elbow]

I don't think so, but he's top 5 on a few

Overall really good player

[pine wadi]

oml

damn

wait i think i watched him do poh like really fast

[versed elbow]

He's also high on the Pantheon IL leaderboards

[twin swallow]

112% APB WR

[versed elbow]

I think he's top 3 for PoH IL?

[pine wadi]

what is il

[versed elbow]

Individual level

[pine wadi]

ok

what is abp

aob

apb*

[twin swallow]

all pantheon bosses

[pine wadi]

cool

[twin swallow]

check out different categories and their routes and rules here https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight

[pine wadi]

im looking at speedrun.com

how do i get the version of the game he is on

im on the latest version

and how do i open my inventory in the air

so i go down quicker

[dark blaze]

Steam downpatching guide in pins

[pine wadi]

ok

i dont see it

nvm

i see it

[mighty girder]

ok I've got a weird question, is the pause menu behavior different in current patch compared to 1.2.2.1? current patch, the cursor starts on "continue" and you can press start again to unpause, but 1.2.2.1, it starts on "options" and start doesn't do anything

is that normal or is my game just weird lmao

[grizzled maple]

yeah thats all changed

you have to press B to get out on 1221 and the cursor is indeed in different spots

[mighty girder]

omg thank god, it was bothering the heck out of me lmao

[grizzled maple]

its one of the more annoying things to get used to as someone who runs both patches often

[mighty girder]

i was like "this shit is different in streams"

thank you 🙂

[pine wadi]

i aint downpatching that shit is weird o.o

[dense lynx]

can i still get steam achievements if i downpatch? i'm on 1.2.2.1 and i was going to do the sub 5 hour achievement.

[limpid ruin]

yes

[dense lynx]

thanks!

[grizzled maple]

you obviously cant get godhome dlc specific ones though

the hk wiki separates the list based on dlc pack so you can see which ones you can get at each patch level

[versed elbow]

tbf, you can do this on 1.4.3.2 just as easily

[deft flame]

whenever you need to save quit and then go back into the save file, is it faster to use the arrow keys/dpad or mouse is faster or does it make no diference?

[dense lynx]

i know i can get the achievement on 1.4.3.2 but i'm trying to get into speedrunning in general so this is just the first step lol

[carmine yew]

Technically I believe using your controller/keyboard is faster than using mouse optimally

[versed elbow]

[carmine yew]

But if you’re a timing god I guess they are equal

Real talk though I wouldn’t worry about it

It’s not killing your runs

[knotty vigil]

I know I started saving about .2 per quitout when switching from mouse to keyboard, but I don't see a reason why they wouldn't be the same optimally

[deft flame]

yeah im using mouse bc i feel like im bad at timing and im slightly less worse with mouse, or at least it seems that way to me

[grand light]

is watcher knight pogo skip patched or something? i cant fucking do it

[grizzled maple]

do you mean spire pogo? the one to get up without wings?

[twin swallow]

if you mean pogo on the background object to climb watcher spire, no

[grizzled maple]

make sure you're pogoing the tip of the object and getting the height from it before dashing left

also make sure you're pogoing the correct one. the left one is the backup. some people go for it first but its a little more difficult to explain

[grand light]

i did it finally

took me like 50 tries

[uneven scarab]

Practice makes perfect

[deft flame]

are both of them the same height?

[grand light]

im going for the 5 hour achievement on steel soul mode, i died going up to the watcher knights after hitting the pogo

[deft flame]

i go for the left one and i dont even know why lol

[grand light]

im miffed as fuck

[limpid ruin]

the left one is way smaller

but closer so faster

(assuming any%)

[grizzled maple]

its mostly that you have to wiggle left then right to grab it

[deft flame]

huh

i guess i thought the left one was taller since it looks that way from the sprites

but i guess i wont change it since i have no problems hitting it and its faster

[grizzled maple]

for the record the left one is bigger

[deft flame]

oh ok, that makes more sense then

[grizzled maple]

its just harder to get so i dont recommend it

the dash air stalls you against the wall so that if youre slow on your jump input you still have time to react.

[pine wadi]

these are my splits for 4ms ._.

[deft flame]

oh wait but i always pogo the left one and then dash to the wall

im guessing thats slower right?

[limpid ruin]

its faster than falling down :3

[thorn jasper]

your nail has more reach than it looks like. if you're like me, you're likely starting the pogo too low

[versed elbow]

12 mins for 4 mask shards

That sounds fast

[thorn jasper]

The route is pretty quick because you don't need to leave crossroads

[pine wadi]

11:30.730 which could be on leaderboards BUT MY FRIEND WAS TALKING IN IT and it was so loud so uh yea no ;-; i hate my life

[thorn jasper]

you can have a friend talking, so long as the game audio is audible

[pine wadi]

oh fr no way

its like really obnouixous tho

obnoxious*

[small magnet]

That's not relevant. Game audio just has to audible like slaurent said

[pine wadi]

oh ok

😄

nearly sub 10 without loads

[small magnet]

You can feel bad for the verifier having to listen to it, but it doesn't disqualify the run lol

[pine wadi]

4ms btw

oh ok lol

[thorn jasper]

and don't forget to include the initial title screen in the video

[pine wadi]

title screen of game?

[grizzled maple]

yes

[versed elbow]

The starting screen where you see the patch version

[grizzled maple]

its to verify that there are no mods active

[pine wadi]

ayy i got that in there

c:

[versed elbow]

I still wanna know if I need to show the home screen if I submit on multiple consoles

Like do I need to show the Xbox home screen or Switch home screen?

[grizzled maple]

better to be safe and just always show home screen

its not that much effort anyway. just delete the file, then go back to title and start the video there instead

[pine wadi]

where do i upload the proof to then get the link to put in the proof box?

[grizzled maple]

speedrun.com/hollowknight, or for category extensions speedrun.com/hkmemes

[pine wadi]

where in hkmemes?

im on the site

rn

where do i go to upload it

[grizzled maple]

you dont

[pine wadi]

wait what

[grizzled maple]

you upload to a video hosting site

you submit the run there

[versed elbow]

YouTube being the easiest

[pine wadi]

wait so

huh

oh ok

[versed elbow]

Like put your run on YouTube

[pine wadi]

ill upload the proof to youtube

then put the link

in the submission

right?

[grizzled maple]

src servers can barely handle being a leaderboard site they cant video host lmao

[versed elbow]

Use the link from YouTube to submit to the site

[pine wadi]

TYSMM

[thorn jasper]

correct meepy

[pine wadi]

i hope to god they accept it

if not then thats like 3 hours wasted grinding 4ms :v

[versed elbow]

So long as your run wasn't modded in any way they're gonna

[median gull]

If you are not using any mods, and show your title screen you should be fine

[pine wadi]

IM GONNA GET THE SPEEDRUNNER ROLE :DDDDD

[versed elbow]

Another blue name

[median gull]

also, make sure you didn't do any major glitch

[thorn jasper]

if you're nervous about waiting for a mod, you could always post a link here asking if there's anything obviously invalid. don't expect anyone to watch the whole thing here though

[median gull]

such as opening your inventory before mawlek fight

[versed elbow]

Even by accident... I learned that one the hard way

Stupid Soul Warrior AI

[charred sigil]

what does opening inventory do?

scream skip?

[median gull]

early control on scream

yea

[charred sigil]

neat

[versed elbow]

Btw, if I'm running All Skills and Soul Warrior's AI breaks. Is that a time penalty or is the run dead?

[grizzled maple]

main categories it is a time penalty, ILs it is a dead run

[versed elbow]

Thanks, Emray

[grizzled maple]

but im 90% sure soul warrior is a pantheon glitch. i dont think ive ever seen it in base game

[pine wadi]

zviitor i don't even know how to do a simple glitch

like i know 0 glitches

[versed elbow]

Trust me, you don't have

to

There are some things that just happen

Like you don't even intend to do them lol

[pine wadi]

unless crystal dashing before hitting an acid lake to get a across is a glitch then i know 0 glitches

:v

what quality is considered 'watchable'

[versed elbow]

You mean like the Fog Canyon/Queen's Garden Acid skip?

[twin swallow]

4ms is never wasted time

[grizzled maple]

what shaded is saying is that major glitches happen accidentally all the time in this game

[thorn sandal]

imma do dream nail any %

on twitch

[grizzled maple]

its basically a potato made of spaghetti

it looks good tho

[versed elbow]

What emray said

[pine wadi]

JBHyperion i did enjoyc myself grinding 4ms out tho

[versed elbow]

"Watchable quality" means can you see the gameplay?

[thorn jasper]

probably like 240p-480p ? frame integrity is more important than resolution

[twin swallow]

good, more 4ms runners to chat with \o/

[versed elbow]

Basically just don't be recording with a potato

[thorn jasper]

as long as you can see the numbers on the timer and stuff

[pine wadi]

i think i stayed over 100 fps all times so i should be fine

yes i made sure u could see the livesplit

is it fine is its not transparent?

[versed elbow]

Yea

[pine wadi]

i put it bottom right corner

[versed elbow]

There are a few runners that don't use transparent from what I've seen

[thorn jasper]

as long as it is not covering the UI, nor taking up too much space, that should be fine

I respond to the wrong message

[versed elbow]

Does space taken up matter if it's transparent?

[pine wadi]

oh god it might've taken up too much space

now im worried

._.

it was like 70% of very right side

60%

[grizzled maple]

its really not a big deal. if something is wrong, the mods will note what it is and you can fix it next time

speedrunning is not usually a one time thing

[versed elbow]

Basically, is this fine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5_VKJwbvzE

[pine wadi]

oh ok

thank goodness

[thorn jasper]

by "too much space" I meant like "literally half the entire screen"

[versed elbow]

I'm probably gonna shrink mine a bit tbh. It covers the Geo number a bit

[twin swallow]

yeah I would keep the UI as clearly visible as possible

[pine wadi]

oh ok

[tacit musk]

anyone know a way to use speedrun.com outside of pc

[pine wadi]

ur phone

?

[tacit musk]

i mean like record with the frame perfect timer

i want the timer

[twin swallow]

are you playing on console

[tacit musk]

yes

[pine wadi]

livesplit

[tacit musk]

ok

[tacit musk]

ps4

[grizzled maple]

if you are not on pc you won't have access to the loadless timer

[tacit musk]

dang

[grizzled maple]

the loadless timer works by reading the game data. There's obviously no way to do that on console. That's why console has it's own leaderboard

[tacit musk]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

ok thanks

[versed elbow]

Do you need to know when you timer starts and ends Russian Cat?

[tacit musk]

no i just wanted to use the frame perfect timer

its ok

[grizzled maple]

you can learn that by reading the rules page on the leaderboard. i recommend always doing so when you're new to a category

[versed elbow]

[tacit musk]

ok

[versed elbow]

I'm pretty sure I split late on my run for the final. I waited till I saw the loading symbol after the absorb animation

[grizzled maple]

yeah rta timing begins a lot earlier, but ends slightly earlier than loadless timing.

[pine wadi]

yo what does it mean time without loads cannot be greater then time with loads?

wait

nvm

lmfao

i got them mixed around

[versed elbow]

I didn't know what it meant by "Screen fading to black"

Like when all the orange is gone?

[grizzled maple]

the first fully black frame after completing an ending

every single ending fades to black

where the loadless timer has to wait until there's something notable that it can read, like that save point that happens in the transition to the ending cutscene

[versed elbow]

I think I split right before the load screen

Infact

I don't think I could nail that split again if you paid me

It's literally like 2-3 frames before the loading screen

Lmao

[pine wadi]

around an estimate of how long until my run is noticed?

[versed elbow]

If it's anything similar to mine. 3-4 days

[grizzled maple]

Could be a day could be 3 weeks

[pine wadi]

ok

[grizzled maple]

Depends on the volume of submissions and how fast the mods work.

[pine wadi]

ok

[twin swallow]

use the wait time to get an even faster time (:

[versed elbow]

Doesn't matter to me. It took one of my Mario Odyssey runs around a month to get verified

I got 3 faster times in that month

[hearty adder]

What's important is that it will get verified in due time

[versed elbow]

Like Hyperion said, just use that time to get a faster one

I'm not sure how it works because I've never been a mod, but I think it shows your fastest time on the list when the people who verify are going through them?

Nice!

You got this

[thorn jasper]

that might be roughly what kal did

[twin swallow]

yeah I just watched that run, fucking insane

[thorn jasper]

agreed, this channel doesn't need to be for a play-by-play of your practice/runs. leaving that out leaves more space for others to ask help

[pine wadi]

what happens if i get a faster time then the one i submitted, should i sumbit that as another one?

[thorn jasper]

yeah

[pine wadi]

ok

[grizzled maple]

speedrun.com tracks your progression and keeps obsolete runs, so if you want your whole history to show you can just keep both submitted, but if you get a better one you can delete the first submission.

the mods will verify both and the fastest time will still be your pb on the board

[pine wadi]

oh ok

[dusk portal]

I would like to do pantheon Speedrun, but I don't know where to put the 112% rar file I have to make it a save, do you know where I need to put it?

[neon island]

You'll need to extract the .rar file

there is a .dat file inside of it

That is the one that you want

?saves

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[neon island]

And then you can put it one of those filepaths

[dusk portal]

Ok, thanks!

[small magnet]

Hey, all. I've checked some guides and I've practiced for a bit now, but this is how the aspid spike looks for me every time. Can anyone tell me where I'm going wrong to hopefully get the double? I haven't even gotten it by accident yet :X
https://clips.twitch.tv/CovertPrettyBurritoMikeHogu

[carmine yew]

Just going a bit slow is all

You need to jump the second you touch the platform

The top setup that a lot of people use is more lenient

[limpid ruin]

the only trick to it is going fast

[carmine yew]

I would look into that a bit

[limpid ruin]

you need to land as close to the edge as you can

and jump up to the spike IMMEDIATELY

[carmine yew]

For that setup yeah

The top one it doesn’t really matter

[limpid ruin]

and then whack the spike as early as possible

[small magnet]

Left ledge or right ledge?

edge*

[limpid ruin]

Right, bc you want to reach the spike as soon as possible

which is why top plat is easier; you hit the edge with a full jump

[small magnet]

Thought so, just wanted to make sure. Alright, I figured I was just being slow about it >.<

Thank you! I'll look into the top setup as well

[limpid ruin]

honestly, dont worry if you cant get it. Its honestly really tight in 1221, as long as you get one aspid its still faster :3

[small magnet]

For sure. Luckily it's at the start of the run, so I'll get plenty of practice on it just by doing runs lol

[limpid ruin]

also: the nail reaches higher than youd expect, aka you can hit it sooner than youd think

yee, alprechim, on current patch the spike will always have the right angle as long as you hit it

[pine wadi]

i hate mawlek :c

in 4ms mawlek is a quarter of the run

[limpid ruin]

mood meepy

screw mawlek

[hearty adder]

Mawlek poopy

[versed elbow]

Mawlek is a bad boss

[steady lynx]

Mawlek ain't too bad

[twin swallow]

mawlek good

[vocal dove]

mawlek fun

[steady lynx]

He has the same weakness most bosses have

DDark and Shriek

[neon island]

or fluke on 1221

[pine wadi]

not when you have to do that so much quickly

and

no spells

nail 1

[grizzled maple]

lol

[neon island]

Flukenest does much more damage on 1221

[steady lynx]

Fluke on 1221 can kill him before he spawns

[neon island]

That too

Fluke on 1221: 112 dmg
Fluke on CP: 80 dmg

[grizzled maple]

its 112 not 121

[neon island]

mb

[steady lynx]

Wasn't it like 144 on 1.1.1.8?

[grizzled maple]

yeah some older patch

[steady lynx]

But it had other issues then

[grizzled maple]

112 was the original nerf, so they decided to make it unusable

[steady lynx]

I like how they nerfed it to 112 and it was still broken

[grizzled maple]

yeah the nosk early flukes that work on 1221 dont work on those patches. like the hitbox just eats them like CG or FC

i think mawlek still works tho

[steady lynx]

At least now Fluke works on most hitboxes, too bad it's useless now

[pine wadi]

yes

i mean nail 0

[grizzled maple]

120

well, 90-120. it's rng if it hits 3 or 4 times

[steady lynx]

DDark with Shaman is 88 and that's my favourite spell

[chrome bramble]

I finally fully completed an Hk speedrun with 2:33.23

[steady lynx]

Eh, most of them die to Shade Soul anyway

I like how Galien just screams and dies

Such a mood

[chrome bramble]

I finnaly decided to stop doing panta epogo its just easier to do emray epogo much more consistant

[deft flame]

youre doing current patch?

[chrome bramble]

yeah

[deft flame]

panta epogo is the one where you have to jump on the mushroom and dash right?

[chrome bramble]

yeah its style points

[deft flame]

yeah, that one is really hard

[chrome bramble]

and also you dont take damage

[deft flame]

i also gave up on it in favor of emray's vsync one

[chrome bramble]

yeah

i run on switch so the frames are very random and its hard to do panta epogo consistantly

[deft flame]

ohhh so you dont even need to open menu and enable vsync

thats even better

[chrome bramble]

auto vsync

[steady lynx]

It's actually good on switch, the frames tank so badly so emray epogo becomes easier

[chrome bramble]

yeah but it just makes panta epogo harder

[deft flame]

yeah inputs are so weird when running at 60fps

[steady lynx]

Unless you desperately need the second and two masks it saves I'd not bother

[chrome bramble]

the switch frame drops alot aswell the timing changes

its better to do emray epogo

but style points are added in panta epogo it looks cool

[steady lynx]

Both look cooler than going around

[chrome bramble]

yeah

[meager current]

look at console runs any% for ps5 and xbox series x

that guy must be happy

yes

and its slower that most runs in the other console sub cats

1:32

[steady lynx]

Somehow PS4 and Xbox one have better loads than switch, yet switch has better WR's

[meager current]

i just find that funny for no reason

[grizzled maple]

because better runners ran switch

[twin swallow]

more runners, more competition driving down times

[meager current]

[steady lynx]

Honestly, that's emray's doing

[grizzled maple]

i ran every category and i'm a top max% pc runner for example

and i did a lot of promotion for it and routed the initial cp categories to inspire more people

[meager current]

speedrunning is fun

unless you die to wk 50 times

then it becomes not fun

[steady lynx]

low% WK tho

[limpid ruin]

*1

[worthy sluice]

Totally not me...

[warm spade]

i literally cant even beat wk with only vs yet

[meager current]

same here buddy

[warm spade]

so i cant even run any% till i get that down

all skills time babeeeey

all skills wk ez

[worthy sluice]

If you just want to get a run through, kill false knight play to CoT then go all the way left to the nail smith get the upgrade play through the rest of the route as normal if you need extra geo then you can get some extra from the chests in beast den

[meager current]

quick question, when is the appropriate time to someone

[warm spade]

im not smart please explain the joke

[meager current]

i have been monocled

[warm spade]

i think i somewhat get the joke

[meager current]

i find it funny how all skills nmms is almost as fast as any% nmg

and glitches

[median gull]

nmms is no main menu glitches

[meager current]

basiaclly any% nmms with more glitch opportunities

[median gull]

nmms is basically go out of bounds

dupe some rooms

and etc

[meager current]

and longer run

[median gull]

really bad explanation

but i hope you understood

[dry sluice]

true ending and low% nmms are also both faster than any% nmg

[worthy sluice]

Mhm

Definitely

[meager current]

oh wow they are

[warm spade]

i kinda find it funny how nmg is a thing because the game would be so short if glitches were allowed

[dry sluice]

for any% ag yeah

[worthy sluice]

Its mainly because people don't like doing them

[warm spade]

just because of how game breaking all the glitches are, it kinda takes the fun out of running it

[meager current]

also when you get backwards gate storage in uumuu room

[median gull]

I'm learning nmms rn and it is really fun

[meager current]

[median gull]

i'd recommend 10 out of 10

i'm having some hard time with some stuff, but it is really nice

[dry sluice]

because of how game breaking the glitches are banning them takes the fun out of running it

except main menu storage

[worthy sluice]

Ill try it on my console CP running self

[dry sluice]

that one is boring

[median gull]

CP nmms is 🥴

[worthy sluice]

No

Right?

It is CP????

[median gull]

we usually run nmms on 1028, but you can do some glitches (if not most glitches tbh) on cp

[dry sluice]

crystal heart and watcher knights doveless

[worthy sluice]

No main menu storage

[dry sluice]

nmms is all glitches allowed except for main menu storage

[meager current]

also seer skip is funny

[warm spade]

oh yeah i have to learn how to do seer skip properly

im pretty sure you can do it on cp?

[meager current]

seeing the knight zoom down the resting grounds room at terminal velocity while lying down is proper gangster

[warm spade]

ive gotten almost out of the room multiple times

[meager current]

i can time the dashes quite well

so i either get out the room or end up right outside the door quite consistently

and 1221 makes it easier so

[warm spade]

yeah i always get right next to the door

hmm im thinking of when to practice seer skip

[grizzled maple]

yes

[warm spade]

i think ill do it after hornet 2 practice

[twin swallow]

https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes#All_Charm_Notches

[grizzled maple]

it has some extremely hard tricks

[warm spade]

i saw skurry do beeg hopper% and the skips looked fun

[meager current]

im guessing there is a couple acid skips in this run?

probably one to get into fog and then the fog canyon notch?

[warm spade]

acid skips are really fun when you get them

[meager current]

i know the notch room one and the crossroads one

qga would be nice but i dont think i need it honestly

[warm spade]

what category?

[meager current]

i do it

[warm spade]

eh it depends

[hearty adder]

As long as you beat them I'd say it's good

[warm spade]

as long as you have a good balence of 2-4 nail hits then fireball it should be good

[hearty adder]

Even if optimal strats are preferred in the ideal situation, it's better to lose a little time by not fighting optimally than losing a lot of time by dying and starting the fight over

[deft flame]

when in practice i always try to find faster ways to stay safe while dealing damage

other than that i wouldn't worry too much

as long as you're practicing properly you'll eventually get faster at beating them in runs

[warm spade]

yeah this ^

hey are the uumuu strats for all skills any different on current patch?

cause i know dream nailing knocks them back on cp

[digital jewel]

yes

[carmine yew]

There’s a one cycle clip somewhere from underlein on current patch

2 cycle should be relatively simple tho

I assume world record gets it if you want to look at that as well

[warm spade]

does anyone have a cp tutorial or do i just have to try and copy what they do?

[carmine yew]

A good chunk of the 1221 tutorial should help with cp, watching world record along with it could be good

Plus just ask a lot of questions here, always happy to help

[digital jewel]

I'm trying to find the video for current patch uumuu

[carmine yew]

The route is very different tho

[digital jewel]

but I can't find it

[carmine yew]

@zenith sorrel please save us

Sorry for ping

[digital jewel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sStHypsLa3w

[carmine yew]

[digital jewel]

oh here

[carmine yew]

Come on Xero

Lmao

Right when I ping

[digital jewel]

@zenith sorrel sorry

[zenith sorrel]

hello yes

[warm spade]

2 cycle is probably easier and more likely since im a beginner

but ill watch both and try to find what works best for me

[digital jewel]

if you try for 1 cycle then you can get at least a 2 cycle every time

that's a good philosophy for learning it

[warm spade]

yeah true

i always try to learn the harder strats first so easier strats are easier

[zenith sorrel]

not sure about the question or is it just how to set up that 1cycle?

[carmine yew]

Yup, it was is 1 cycle still doable on cp

[zenith sorrel]

yes

just like in the video above

[warm spade]

is there anything different about uumuu other than the dream nail knockback?

like health or anything?

[zenith sorrel]

only knockback

[warm spade]

thanks

[zenith sorrel]

from both dream nail and damage hits

[warm spade]

so it won't be TOO different on cp then

[zenith sorrel]

but the setup is basically just setting up uumuu in the center platform like 1221 any% does, then doing the ddark right as quirrel hits uumuu, using the 3 nail hits to get uumuu higher in the air and setting up 2 shade soul doubles

[warm spade]

ahhh

thanks man

[zenith sorrel]

most of the time when missing it it's probably because of not getting the double hits at the end, but it's still a pretty easy 2 cycle after

[warm spade]

yeah

but man my computer is so slow, i can't even have hk paused and load a youtube page

im gonna have to figure something out for screensharing for the tournament

[deft flame]

uhh what do you mean?

[warm spade]

probably just a system thing, not a game thing

but idk

[versed elbow]

May we all glod split

[grizzled maple]

i hate explaining memes because it makes them unfunny, but tldr it's an ancient speedrun meme

[uneven scarab]

^

ur good

[vocal dove]

-0.0

[warm spade]

glod

[grizzled maple]

kinda yeah. glod is much much older

[warm spade]

hoo boy dark deepnest time

wish me luck

[jagged vault]

you can do it!

[main bear]

Hi, brief question that I'm sure has been answered before, but does Devil Squirrel's livesplit work on latest patch?

[grizzled maple]

it works on every patch

[main bear]

Thank you!

[warm spade]

thanks guys

its going well but i need a bit more practice

yeah a few times

got to get the muscle memory down tho

[versed elbow]

A lot of this game is muscle memory it seems like

[worthy sluice]

Hey lads just want to say, you guys are amazing, yall constantly help new runners and are positive 90% of the time and the other 10 is you bullying each other because you like each other, so i just wanted to say that you all are so awesome

And hi shaded

What a legend

[versed elbow]

[worthy sluice]

Hows any%

[tardy sable]

okay so today when i was at the dreamer statues on 1221 and interacted with the statue, my character got stuck in this animation and softlocked my game (the pause menu doesn't even work). I have never seen this before 😄

"help i have fallen and i can't get up"

[twin swallow]

you tried interacting with the statue whilst not grounded or in the middle of a dash

[pure vault]

this is pretty common yea

[tardy sable]

ah ok i see

[pure vault]

thankfully we figured out what causes it but everyone does it at least once lol

[tardy sable]

lol alright, thanks

[tacit musk]

ahaha now i will never do it because i know about this

also should i do an all spells speedrun if i dont have enough skill to beat game without crystal dash and or ismas tear

[formal bough]

"without crystal dash and or ismas tear" in a speedrun you always get one of those

(also it's called all skills not all spells I don't think all spells exists)

[old bloom]

OMG MY RUN WAS VERIFIED WOOOO

[stiff delta]

ask for blue name

[tardy sable]

ayy nice

[old bloom]

can has blue name

[grizzled maple]

post the link to the verified run also so the mods know which one you are

[stiff delta]

Ye do that

[old bloom]

oke

where do I post

[formal bough]

here

[grizzled maple]

here

[old bloom]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/ylo072ny

[stiff delta]

here

[old bloom]

POG

IM SPECIAL NOW

[grizzled maple]

the only true benefit to the blue role is access to duckposting in sr-offtopic

[stiff delta]

I am so very fast

[versed elbow]

She means Catposting

We post cats in that chat

[neon island]

No the cats are from #resources and down

[versed elbow]

Planning on working on it for the next few days

Gonna grind hard this weekend

[worthy sluice]

YEAH you got this

Thats when I grinned really hard

School takes a long time

[versed elbow]

I want sub hour

[pearl storm]

So I've made a plan, I'm gonna finish my casual playthrough before I practice speedrun strats (besides using them in my causal playthrough to try learn them organically). I'm gonna make a journal of my progress in learning to speedrun any% to so in the future If anyone wants to get into speedrunning they could look at it and it might help them somehow.

And I have a question about the watcher knight boss fight. When I beat WK I didn't know about the chandelier in the secret room above, I always see people break it before doing WK in speedrun but what dose it actually change? I didn't notice any differences

[versed elbow]

Removes one from the fight

[pearl storm]

Oh k

Thanks

I don't think I'm gonna practice much before I start runs when I do because practice on console without debug is annoying, if I bought holow knight for my pc and practice on that would I be able to transfer skills and do runs on my switch if I use the same patch?

What's that?

I always see it but don't know what it is

[dull lion]

They feel very different because frame rate caps so it might help for some things but any of the more precise tricks likely won’t transfer

[pearl storm]

Damnet

I thought that would work

[twin swallow]

everything on pc current patch works on console and vice versa

you'll just need to adjust to the input lag difference

[pearl storm]

I was planning on getting hk for pc anyway for the gun mod but it just sucks that it won't be easier

[dull lion]

Yeah debug can definitely help you with general movement/fights still. It just won’t transfer perfectly

Still would be valuable though

[short spire]

once you try the game on pc you probably won't want to go back to switch either way

[pearl storm]

Kk, as a beginner to speedrunning anything and I'm relatively new to hk to (only 14 hours of play time) it would be good to know

[short spire]

it's shocking how badly the switch version runs

[pearl storm]

My laptop is trash so I thought I would run on my switch for now

[short spire]

okay yeah if you have an old laptop it might not be a big upgrade from switch lol

[pearl storm]

Same, I can't even run Minecraft with a small texture pack

Lol

[short spire]

that sounds fixable

[pearl storm]

The fog canyon acid skip from crossroads will be easy to practice in switch at least, I'm get isles tear so I don't have to worry about health and I'll be good

That's what I was planning to do, I just thought that when the map gets infected some skips might not work

I'm only up to getting crystal dash rn to

I was just gonna look up where the upgrades are and stuff so I don't wonder around for several hours like I have been doing

Oh k that's good then

Thanks for all the help and advice everyone :)

[livid stirrup]

Are you specifically referring to getting hit by the roll, or just all the ways you take damage in general?

[vocal dove]

when they bounce you can dash under them

but my beat recommendation is to not get hit

[livid stirrup]

I mean honestly you're doing really well

[dull lion]

Yeah, 2 or 3 of your hits could have been avoided by just pogoing. Your definitely close

[stiff delta]

dont be afriaqad to be a weenie, going balls to the wall at 1 hp is cool, but dying isnt

pogo is large

[livid stirrup]

Something to be conscious of is that when they roll at you from close to the wall (45 seconds in or so), they're going to bounce pretty far back into the room

[dull lion]

That’s definitely important to be aware of too

[livid stirrup]

It took me forever to get the hang of that

And sometimes they'll just Decide To Bounce Very Far and Right Into You Anyway™️

The sandwich rng sucks

[proud vessel]

so i have a problem

[livid stirrup]

One bouncing, one rolling

[stiff delta]

I meant like in your playstyle playing wild not literally going to the wall lol

[proud vessel]

i would speedrun, but every time i try to record it, it's so laggy that its unplayable on hollow knight

[stiff delta]

If i ever get stuck ill try and walljump up the wall and hope i can get over the bouncing guy

[livid stirrup]

It helps to try and find times to heal. Despite what it looks like, you do have time. When they both go to one side of the screen, try to heal. Risky, but it works about half the time, and if it saves you from dying it's worth it

[stiff delta]

Sameb

[livid stirrup]

You can record it on your phone

[stiff delta]

keep in mind that the faster you go the less time you have to get hit (duh) so try to copy what comsob does

[proud vessel]

true, but that would also be bad quality cause i have a really old phone

its an iphone 6 and the camera is broken

well the front camera is really blurry but the back camera is fine

ok

yeah, thats in the rules for speedruns

i read that

[worthy sluice]

Aight lads i changed my name, just in case a certain top runner decides to cross me

Mmmmm

Yeah

[proud vessel]

i just tried turning v-sync on, and the game runs smooth enough to actually play even while recording now

[grizzled maple]

tbh i would rank pest as top 5 in the least likely to cross anyone ever in this entire server

[haughty fossil]

always playing celeste

[median gull]

pest playing a better game smh

[limpid ruin]

Iflp

[proud vessel]

yeah ik

[grizzled maple]

celeste is terrible and i'm tired of pretending to be neutral on it

[normal aspen]

who would win:
Celeste vs my hands

[burnt grove]

I'll go hit by hit, but it might take a while bc I'm on mobile
#1: just a silly mistake, too close to wk

[proud vessel]

celeste

[normal aspen]

correct

100-0 matchup

[proud vessel]

i beat celeste once

it was hard

[burnt grove]

#2: as already pointed out, anticipate a long roll after a bounce off the wall

[proud vessel]

where can i look at the videos i record with OBS?

[grizzled maple]

More specifically on that subject. The roll is always the same length. If it is closer to the wall it will be a near full roll in the opposite direction

[burnt grove]

#3: sideslash instead of pogo; I call it the "standard mistake" bc everyone does it; practice makes it happen less

[proud vessel]

nevermind, i found it

[grizzled maple]

If its half a roll away, you're looking at a half roll from the wall

[worthy sluice]

Hey btw you all are cute

[burnt grove]

#4: another silly mistake, a funny dash into a wk haha :(

[proud vessel]

ty (:

[burnt grove]

#5: honestly not a lot you could have done; pogoing would work, but recognizing that you should only comes with lots of practice

#6: trying to fireball when it's not safe, gotta focus on one but still monitor the other

[worthy sluice]

#7 beware the jealousy of fathers

[burnt grove]

so I saw 3 execution errors that will just happen less often with practice, 2 tactical errors that you'll do less of as muscle memory takes over and lets you concentrate more on tactics, and 1 hit almost everyone would be forced to take bc sometimes the wks just do that shit to you

you're doing very well overall, just need to practice, rest, practice

[steady lynx]

Honestly, any% WK is a kinda fun fight, really technical in a way not many bosses are

[worthy sluice]

I was getting serious zotes 57 precepts again

I kinda had to

[steady lynx]

You mean an Abyss Shriek and a Shade Soul?

[worthy sluice]

MARMU IS THE BEST BOSS FIGHT EVER CRAFTED

[thorn jasper]

Precept 58: Talk about speedrunning in the #speedrunning channel. Things that are not speedrunning are not #speedrunning , and therefore belong elsewhere. Also my dad won't love me anymore

[worthy sluice]

:/

[normal aspen]

Precept 58: Talk about speedrunning in the #speedrunning channel. Things that are not speedrunning are not #speedrunning , and therefore belong elsewhere. Also my dad won't love me anymore

[thorn jasper]

Zote has some text which indicate a strained relationship with his father

[burnt grove]

Pwecept 58: Tawk about speedwunning in de #speedwunning channow. Fings dat awe not speedwunning awe not #speedwunning, and dewefowe bewong ewsewhewe. Awso, my daddy don't wuvv me anymowe. 😭

[tardy sable]

yessss finally got a sub 50, only lost two minutes bc i died to UUMUU out of everything

[worthy sluice]

Nice time my guy!!!! Great run!＼(^o^)／

[tardy sable]

thanks

[charred sigil]

Very nicee

[proud vessel]

nice!

[charred sigil]

2 minutes of timesave too! So sub 45 is basically free

[ember rain]

Dang you just beat my PB

[charred sigil]

^ ye mine too

[ember rain]

I really gotta practice the uumuu fight

[charred sigil]

^yeah me too

[uneven scarab]

I'm actually curious now: is that the actual precept or r u adjusting it to pull my leg?

[charred sigil]

Precept 59: don't talk about precepts

[proud vessel]

i just did fireball skip for the first time

wait not fireball

explosion pogo

[tardy sable]

i can do it in practice but never in runs

[proud vessel]

it was in practice, i probably wont be able to do it in a run

[charred sigil]

nice blind

[tardy sable]

fireball skips and QGA also applies 😛

[thorn jasper]

There is no precept 58. I drafted that full text as a thematic way of communicating the message of staying on topic. Ironically, it did not help

[proud vessel]

i also did fireball skip for the first time a few days ago so that can still work

[deft flame]

apparently im missing some enemies bc im getting to herrah with like 160 geo

is there any geo in crystal peaks im supposed to take by any chance?

[haughty fossil]

golden number is 2322 by Kings Station stag

(for any%)

[deft flame]

yeah i had less this run

[hasty moat]

that sounds like missing some of WK chest or skipping literally every city enemy

[haughty fossil]

if you're lower you can fireball the people in the bottom room of spire, as well as the small husks in the massive room (avoiding getting hit by the great husks)

[hasty moat]

could also be missing some from ghusk

[haughty fossil]

but 160 sounds a lot more significant than missing a few enemies

[deft flame]

lost a lot of seconds towards the end getting both geo thingies inside beast's den but then it wasnt enough and i had to slow kill a devout

[hasty moat]

the magic numbers on pickups are 420 for ghusk and 655 for wk chest, if you see less than that might be that you missed some

[deft flame]

im sure i got everything from ghusk and wk chest

[deft flame]

i might have skipped literally every city enemy though

😫

[hasty moat]

that could add up too ya

I think you want something over 560 going to WK

[normal aspen]

or missing the city journal maybe

[charred sigil]

which would also cause you to miss some enemy geo

[deft flame]

nah, im pretty sure its the enemies

[hasty moat]

if you don't have any geo going into city then you do need to get a few of those

they add up for sure

[versed elbow]

[deft flame]

i remember having like 10 geo going into city

[hasty moat]

iirc 1221 any% can't afford to skip all of them no matter how lucky you get heading into city

[deft flame]

oh, its cp btw

[hasty moat]

oh what

ok that's strange then, cp should be able to skip all of them

[versed elbow]

I found an alternative to not going for Vengefly King for anyone who struggles with the quickkill

[charred sigil]

where does CP get extra geo?

[hasty moat]

spire room

big husk and enemies before him

[twin swallow]

elder baldurs drop more geo

[charred sigil]

i see

[deft flame]

only enemy i remember getting geo from in city is the big guy you have to kill to open the lever in watchers tower

[versed elbow]

I grab the geo object after WKs

[hasty moat]

did you skip the journal or something?

[charred sigil]

Did you record the run tei?

[deft flame]

i have the highlight, i'll look to be sure

[charred sigil]

okay yeah

[twin swallow]

most city enemies drop ~10 geo, missing a couple rows can add up fast

[hasty moat]

cp shouldn't need to kill anything that isn't required, except for journal enemies

[versed elbow]

I also had 400 Geo left at the end of my run, so I went for something I didn't need to

[hasty moat]

you can technically just tank those, but it's more inconvenient

[versed elbow]

[hasty moat]

normally in city in cp you get journal enemies and the journal, ghusk and friends, friends before big husk, big husk and wk chest

and technically flying one in big husk's room

but I count him as friends before big husk

[deft flame]

425 geo after ghusk, 553 in wk, 1112 after getting wk chest, 2212 after selling stuff

[hasty moat]

uhh, sounds like you missed wk chest geo

[tardy sable]

should be 655 right

[hasty moat]

but also having only 425 after ghusk is low too

[deft flame]

i got 559 from wk chest

[hasty moat]

yeah you want 655 from it

[twin swallow]

yeah you missed 100

[thorn jasper]

I always hop inside the chest, there's bound to be some there

[twin swallow]

dont forget to check the inside of the chest

[deft flame]

yup, i missed geo from inside the chest lmao

[hasty moat]

I personally stick my head in the chest, but you do you

[deft flame]

anyways, thanks for the help yall

i'll be sure to not do that again from now on

[hasty moat]

but ya you might wanna make sure you're not missing some before or right after ghusk too

425 seems kinda low there

[deft flame]

on the bright side, somehow it was still a PB lmao

[tardy sable]

i think you can get at least 20 just from the city journal husks

[deft flame]

although i wanted sub 45 and got 45:10 😅

[twin swallow]

425 after ghsuk implies you got almost nothing from the journal enemies, or the enemies outside ghusk

0 geo routing? 🤔

[haughty fossil]

City journal husks are around 30 I believe?

[deft flame]

uhh i'll take a look at it

but i mean, i was missing like 90 geo at herrah's and i missed 100 at WK chest so it would have been enough even though its kinda close

[proud vessel]

can i post a video here that i recorded and ask if the quality is acceptable for speedrun.com?

its not a whole speedrun or anything, i just want to know if the quality is good enough

[twin swallow]

sure dont see why not

[proud vessel]

ok ill send it then

oop apparently the file size is too big for discord

[thorn jasper]

you'll have to upload to something like youtube to submit anyway

[proud vessel]

well i realized i had a setting on that made file size really big so imma turn it off and record a different video rq

its uploading the video now

ah here it is this is the new less big one

[thorn jasper]

that looks great!

[proud vessel]

k good

since i tried to do the vengefly skip thingy and failed, do you have any tips as to how to do it consistently

so that one is kinda just luck

ok will do

take note that i wasnt actually trying to speedrun in that video, i was just doing it that way

gooooood night

idk why i said it like that lol

[half arch]

hello blue names, i have just down patched to 1221, and the only controller i have to use with HK is a switch pro. could someone link me a guide to get 1221 setup with my controller with joytokey or another program

i have downloaded joytokey, but its not recognizing that the controller is connected

[neon island]

If you want a more straightforward program, BetterJoy works really well for Switch Pro

I don't have much experience with JoyToKey, but I had the same problem with Pro Controller

[half arch]

sweet i will check that out thank you very much

[steady lynx]

Did you miss #hk-meme ?

[analog scroll]

Oh yeah...

[tardy sable]

i use joytokey with an xbox controller and it's pretty straightforward to set up. When you press a key the program tells you which key you are pressing. I originally did this with a pro controller but i am usually using my pro controller for switch so i am just using my xbox controller on my pc.
A few things i would say (maybe others can add on or provide solutions):

• Make sure you go to Settings > Configure Joysticks > Advanced settings, and change the slider on the bottom, otherwise the up and down key would be pressed accidentally a lot (if you use analog stick)
• Usually with controller, your d-pad input always override analog input, which is really nice for using fireball skips. This won't happen if you use joytokey (or at least i haven't found a way to solve it)

[half arch]

okay cheers 👍 will try betterjoy first but thank you so much for the help

[tardy sable]

cheers

[unborn herald]

hey im running nmg, and livesplit starts 5 seconds before the first room in kings pass, is there a fix to this?

[neon island]

Are you using real time?

[unborn herald]

in game time

[neon island]

Huh?

That is really weird then

Oh, does it just pause though during the time it starts?

[unborn herald]

no like before the drop is loaded its already started its really weird

[hearty adder]

Then it's real time

[unborn herald]

quick question as i may be an idiot, how do i make sure its igt ]

i think i found it hold on ima test it

[neon island]

If you go into layout settings and edit the timer, there should be a dropdown for "Timing Method"

[unborn herald]

yeah that was it lol

[hearty adder]

If you right click livesplit, it also gives you the option to change comparison from in game time and real time

[unborn herald]

thanks

[half arch]

okay using betterjoy, identifies the controller and it programs it to a Xbox controller as far as i can tell, but in my steam big picture menu it identifies the one plugged in controller as both at the same time and running 1221 allows me to move but any other controls aren't usable

[neon island]

ah yeah, I had that problem too

[half arch]

and it really seems to hate using both controllers at once

[neon island]

Are controller supports enabled for steam?

If so, they need to be disabled

[half arch]

all of them?

that makes sense i suppose

ill try that

[neon island]

Yep all of them

[half arch]

ahh upon doing that it constanly opens and closes the menu and i cannot move my mouse/controller or anything

is launching the game from desktop fine?

[neon island]

Should be yeah

[half arch]

yeah i still have no control opening the game, it just opens and closes stuff in HK menu at random

[uneven scarab]

hello tira!

[neon island]

You did install the ViGEmBus driver, right?

[austere condor]

Learned everything up to hornet

Gotta practice those 3 splits

[half arch]

yeah i installed the driver, and heyyo ohko

[uneven scarab]

:3

[half arch]

messing with the "map buttons" actually effects my mouse for whatever reason. which needed me to restart my laptop as every time i clicked, it would move my mouse southeast

i might just leave it for now and come back later

[neon island]

Before you do that, could you please screenshot BetterJoy?

I might be able to see what’s going wrong

[neon island]

I personally don’t use the server but that should be working

[half arch]

the server?

and yeah this isnt working tho

[neon island]

Yeah, if you click the right arrow, there should be a bunch off options

One of them is to disable the server

Another thing you could try is running BJ as admin

[half arch]

is it 'motion server'?

[neon island]

Yeah, motion server

[half arch]

okay ill disable that

ill give it one more try with that real quick

[uneven scarab]

what u interested in speedrunning tira?

[charred sigil]

Hollow knight i reckon

[half arch]

well i have all the skill to go fast due to rando, and somni is trying to get everyone involved in this speedrun

[uneven scarab]

ooo, which category?

all skills?

[half arch]

(which i wont do) but it be fun to try any%

yeah the speedrun he's involved in is all skills i think

[uneven scarab]

ye, he be grinding

I recommend doing a 24hr kings pass to start

[half arch]

um yeah, its still not working so i might just abandon it for tnite

[tardy sable]

i've never tried all skills, dark crystal peak room and dark deepnest are too intimidating. Dark room in watcher spire is already enough for me lol

[uneven scarab]

lol

they're not too bad with cheese strats

took me like 30min to learn both

[lone oar]

just great

[proud vessel]

so i have a problem with an old hollow knight patch

whenever i start a new save or load an old one on 1.2.2.1, it doesnt let me attack until i go into settings, then into keyboard, then back out of all the options

i have a different keybinding setup then the default one

[lone oar]

Same happens to me, I don't know of any fix

[proud vessel]

as of right now, i just go into the keyboard setting thing at the beginning every time

[grizzled maple]

Are you using mouse? Because mouse does that

You'll need to map the mouse inputs to a kb key with a program like joy2key or just dont use mouse.

[proud vessel]

yeah im using mouse

left click is attack

i'll get joy2key and use that, thanks for the help

[uneven scarab]

using mouse for attack makes me scared for all of the laptop users that don't have a mouse

[versed elbow]

My friend saw my run and said "I can't believe you didn't reset"

Me: "Look, I wanted a start. 30 minute golds are fun"

[uneven scarab]

which run?

[proud vessel]

uhhh i dont understand anything on joy2key, how do i make it so it fixes my problem?

[versed elbow]

I did a first run on Any% NMG that took 2:48:50

I literally died to WKs 6 times, Uumuu 5 times, and HK 6 times

They're all gonna be 30+ minute golds when I do more runs this weekend

[uneven scarab]

lol

ye

[versed elbow]

Look, you get 1 to 2 runs where you see full 30 minute golds

[last rivet]

just completed my first run with cheats took me 1h30 with infinite health on