speedrunning

[tardy sable]

so when i started i ran the route in fireb0rn's 5 hour guide. I got 2h55 on my first run and the second i literally had an hour pb
an hour

[proud vessel]

anyone know how i would fix this problem with joy2key?

[versed elbow]

Holy shit

Literally if I don't die on WKs, Uumuu, or HK on my next run

I shave over an hour and a half from my time

That's how much time I spent dying to them

[tardy sable]

lmao

[versed elbow]

These are the splits

[tardy sable]

yesterday i had a run where i was 3 minutes ahead of pb and died to wk 5 times

it's ok

[versed elbow]

Low gear WKs are fucking ROUGH

[tardy sable]

lol

get ddark, they kill wk in 4 hits or something lol

[proud vessel]

can anyone help me

[tardy sable]

hmm, i use joytokey, with a controller

is that what you are doing?

[verbal stag]

bind your mouse click to the attack key

[proud vessel]

i dont know how to do that, i have no experience with joy2key, and it looks very confusing

sorry you have to help me so late

[verbal stag]

I'm not sure how to do it with joy2key

but theres also this program you can use instead

#resources message

[proud vessel]

thanks, do i just download both of the files or just one?

[verbal stag]

should be just the exe

not sure since I havent used it

[proud vessel]

ok thanks

[versed elbow]

Any% NMG

Not gonna get used to them with upgraded spells

When to get the best time I have to fight them with base VS

[tardy sable]

yea, ik

[jaunty anvil]

GOLD

[proud vessel]

uhh, hate to bother you again, but blue.exe is literally just a cmd thing, and i have no idea how it works

oh actually i think i figured it out

nope actually not

[strong cosmos]

Boys, I don’t know what it is. But my lack of sleep somehow made me do the entirety of soul sanctum with WK in one go. I’m so proud yet so confused

Also does parrying make you invincible for a few frames?

[jaunty anvil]

yea

[strong cosmos]

Makes sense now

[versed elbow]

This man got so tired he hit ultra instinct.

[elder kindle]

damn

i gotta try that

[pine wadi]

should've done the entire game in 2 minutes smh

[proud vessel]

i agree

should have done 113%

[pine wadi]

should've done 114%*

[pine wadi]

mawlek aa

[strong cosmos]

So I started a run, fell asleep midrun. I’m in the CoT and I don’t know how I got here.

[grim spear]

dude ı cant find elegant key sly is just not selling it to me

[normal aspen]

you need shopekeepers key for him to sell it

[grim spear]

ok ok ty

[mental berry]

I can't do the aspid arena spike. I've tried about 100 times and I'm not sure if I got it a single time. Can anybody help me pls?

[jagged vault]

what exactly is going wrong?

[hearty adder]

I'm assuming it's on 1221?

[normal aspen]

its pretty hard in comparison on 1221

[meager current]

TacoTV

[hearty adder]

It's more precise on 1221 due to the spawns not being as consistent as on cp

i'm glad someone asked about aspid arena because i also need help with it, i always just hit one of the two aspids

[deft thorn]

there is a very comprehensive tutoroal by Ox2o, not sure if I can find it

[mental berry]

I found this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ley-RlVA4HE

[jagged vault]

yeah, that one should be good

[mental berry]

but somebody told me that it's easier if you go from the top

[normal aspen]

Axs way is harder yea

[jagged vault]

oh yeah ax does bottom plat

going top is easier yeah

[leaden python]

Okay, so quick explanation on how to get the double spike kill on the aspid arena uh consistency on one point two point two point one. So basically you wanna uh, you wanna kill this first guy and then wait on this little platform here until you see the second wave of aspids spawn. And you wanna react to the spawn so as soon as you see them pop up, you wanna jump on top of the other platform, and then instantly jump off of the other platform, up to the spike, and hit the spike as soon as you're in range of the spike. Um, you have to hit the spike, uh, really soon after activating it, or it won't have the correct trajectory to hit both of the uh, aspids. It's fairly precise, but, uh, the aci. the aspid spawn positions themselves don't matter, it's all about getting the hit on the spike at the correct time. I'll. I'll show you in a second. So, basically. You wanna do that. Heh, you'll know you done it right when you see the spike be here, all the way on the right here. Uh, if it's like, around here, or you can't see it properly, then you were just too slow with your jump up there. But, it requires a bit of practice, but, you can actually get it fairly consistently after. After you get decent at it, but, yeah, that's, that's really all there is to the trick.

[normal aspen]

Was waiting for that

[jagged vault]

wait i've never seen that copypasta

pretty much taco, it's a matter of trying it over and over until you get the feel for it

[mental berry]

I can't get the spike far enough to the right

[normal aspen]

personally i use a certain line up on the top plat

[jagged vault]

don't worry about hitting it consistently, most people don't have it consistent (me included

[normal aspen]

you need to be faster then

[jagged vault]

if you miss one you can do a quick cleanup on the other

[normal aspen]

make sure you jump as soon as you land on the plat and hit the spike with the top of you side slash

[jagged vault]

you can hit it earlier than you think

yeah

[leaden python]

From my experience most people struggle not with the hit itself, but with the first part - landing to the very right edge of the spike platform

if you jump a bit to the left, you'll agro the spike while still in the air, so by the time you jump off the platform to hit it it's too late already

Another caveat is that you can hit the spike lower than you would expect

[mental berry]

I think that's what it was

thanks guys!

[jagged vault]

taco did you set up debug?

[leaden python]

nice, glad it helped

[mental berry]

that name was taken

[jagged vault]

it might be useful for practicing things like these

or "might"

it is

[mental berry]

oh yea, I got a savestate right outside the arena

[jagged vault]

nicu 😄

savestates are the best

[leaden python]

regarding hitting it lower than you would expect

[normal aspen]

if you do a full jump when the left side of the knight is lined up with the left side of the fence on the top plat it puts you on the right spot of the platform if you full jump and hold left

[mental berry]

👍

[jagged vault]

also incase it helps, an example video of it being done

the cue for when to jump is really the aspids starting to do the apearing animation in the background, but once you do it enough you can kind of predict when to jump by instinct

[normal aspen]

this is the full jump and just hold left lineup i use

[limpid ruin]

(top plat if you react to the spawning there's rng to whether they move to the side or not before hitting the spike, but its still much easier to consistently perform the input so even with added ingame rng its often more consistent bc human hands be rng as well)

[mental berry]

yea I think I did it right just now, but I only hit one of them

[jagged vault]

in that case you can do a quick backup

[limpid ruin]

but for real, it can literally be summed up as hitting the spike as early as possible

[jagged vault]

this part is pretty much improv

depending on the way the non hit aspid flies

it's not much slower to only hit one if you get the backup

i'd estimate 1-2s

[normal aspen]

Yeah biggest thing for me was realising the but you have to do fast is from hitting the plat to hitting the spike

[charred sigil]

were you practicing with the any% loadout?

Yeah that's fine

I practiced nail 0 for a while and decided "you know... if I want to first try them, nail 1 is probably good"

and that worked

congrats then

[last inlet]

hi can i have access to the rest of the speedrun channels please? do i need to post the link to the run?

[neon island]

Yeah

[last inlet]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/m789w19z

[normal aspen]

whover verified ur run seems like a dickhead ngl

[last inlet]

ty

[charred sigil]

Jesus

ins0mnia is unbearable.

[last inlet]

i am now fast

[charred sigil]

took 5 days to verify one run

you though onsomnoo

you're the best

[last inlet]

verify speedrun any%

[mighty compass]

trying to get sub 20 on vengefly king in pantheon of hallownest for no reason whatsoever

[charred sigil]

[mighty compass]

the most insignificant achievement.. but still an achievement

[charred sigil]

it's oddly specific

[mighty compass]

true

[charred sigil]

like are you doing it in PoH because lower HP than ascended radiant?

[twin swallow]

as long as you're going fast that's what counts right

[mighty compass]

nah i just wanted to speedrun the boss rush

[charred sigil]

oh and you just have a goal time for the first boss

[mighty compass]

i know i won't be able to beat all of it but i just want good times on everything really

yeah

i know it's possible

you need extremely good shout RNG tho

i figured that it only autosplits after you go to the next boss, so the death animation of 1 vengefly is ~7 seconds meaning you need to kill them in <12 seconds

and the only way to do that is to.. abyssal shriek

so far i know

[charred sigil]

sounds about right

[main bear]

how much better is quickcast than regular cast

[mighty compass]

and to get a sub 12 kill you need the first attack of one of the vengeflies to be a shout

[charred sigil]

quickcast works for most tricks, regular cast doesn't

so

infinity better

[main bear]

lol

ok

[charred sigil]

it's mandetory on Uumuu cycles and fireball skips

[mighty compass]

it casts on button press, not release

[charred sigil]

and helps with everything else

[mighty compass]

from what i just read

[main bear]

I just started getting into speedrunning hk

because i need that achievement

just gonna go for dd spam

[mighty compass]

also is it just me or does one of the vengeflies have the HP from the ascended variant

[charred sigil]

well if you're just going for the achivement no speedstrats are really necissary

[mighty compass]

that'd be the right one i think

[charred sigil]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[charred sigil]

^ mainly just doing that for the guide link

[main bear]

thanks

im gonna try to do it eventually using strats tho

[charred sigil]

that's nice, the regular achivements are a good start

it's fun to do a casual run like that and see how quickly you can halve your time with a proper rout

[mighty compass]

^

i spent 10h on my first run, and 4h on the 2nd

[main bear]

wo

[mighty compass]

really satisfying

[main bear]

is there a way to get livesplit to go over your game

so i dont have to tab to see it everytime

[mighty compass]

uhhh

1sec

[charred sigil]

my first attempt at the speedrun achivement was 4 hours 55 minutes. after watching the guide and doing 0 practice ( other than some glitch runs I did) it was under 2 hours

now after a little practice it's a lot better

[mighty compass]

@main bear right click livesplit, edit layout, go to "timer"

there's always top on the first tab

[jagged vault]

if you only have one screen yyou have to force the game to launch in windowed

[mighty compass]

or just click layout settings

and probably ^^ blue

[jagged vault]

or you can open livesplit, switch to game window before livesplit pops up

[main bear]

oh, ok

Thanks

[mighty compass]

np np

[jagged vault]

do note that if you do this second method, any time you leave the hollow knight window, livesplit will fall to the back with no way of getting it back on top unless you restart it

which requires resetting your current run

fun stuff

[main bear]

oh

Wait if i do the first method can i go back into fullscreen

[neon island]

but there really shouldn't be a reason to alt tab during a run

[main bear]

and itll be on top?

[jagged vault]

the fog canyon one? yes

that one's a lot easier than it seems

[last inlet]

yeah the setup's nice

[jagged vault]

you can walk off the platform and press as soon as you hit the wall

[last inlet]

if you'e struggling to time it then try going later

if you dont get the c-dash it's bc you did the input too early

[jagged vault]

cdashes don't have buffers exactly

[last inlet]

yeah, you have to already be on the wall

[jagged vault]

so if you press before you're in a wallcling state you just slide into the acid and dunk

[last inlet]

the other thing that goes wrong is if you stop abruptly above the acid, the c-dash was slightly too early

[jagged vault]

then the wall on the other side has a lot of wiggle room, so you don't need to be very precise with your walljump to get out

[last inlet]

c-dashing from the top of the wall will bonk you into the thing in the middle

[jagged vault]

i recommend you watch how someone does in a run then try to copy it

[hearty adder]

If you have isma's tear you can't do acid skips because at a certain distance you just instantly start swimming

[jagged vault]

ismas tear makes acid skips impossible

it sucks you into the acid so you can't wallcling low enough

you need to make sure you're doing it on a file without ismas

good luck!

[grizzled maple]

Makes some* acid skips impossible

[jagged vault]

yeah good point

my bad

[grizzled maple]

My switch practice file has ismas for the 2nd acid skip so I don't have to save quit and do the other two to get back

Would take 80 years

[steady lynx]

I used to have a profile with practice files but I can't open them or I'll lose the preload

[mighty compass]

lmao

got it recorded too

[neon island]

[mighty compass]

gimme a sec let me edit the clip

ah yes, 38 minutes of attempts

https://streamable.com/t9lk5l

[meager current]

Just resettled a run 5 times becuase of wk

[mighty compass]

ouch, yeah wk are annoying

[meager current]

Absolute run ender

[mighty compass]

it's a satisfying fight if maxed out but when speedrunning...

[meager current]

Wish it didn't exist honestly

[deft flame]

its such a fun fight to practice but such a terrifying fight in runs

[mighty compass]

^

[meager current]

ive reset like 6 times today

im taking a break from this

[charred sigil]

breaks are good

[meager current]

wk makes me mad and then i die in first goam room

[deft flame]

hey at least you didnt forget to take 100 geo that fell into the chest after WK like I did last night lmao

[charred sigil]

I forgot to sit in dirtmouth bench while getting lantern

had a c-peaks that felt great only to wake up next to luriens bed

https://clips.twitch.tv/ArbitraryTardyRuffRlyTho

didn't realize how well the music fit this clip, waking up at lurien with my clown shoes on

[fervent jolt]

I got mantis claw in under 1 h

I was on swich

[versed elbow]

Yanno... I'm not saying he's hard, but is there any redeeming quality to Uumuu? There's not a single runner I've seen who thinks it's even remotely good.

Like just a bad boss all around

[versed elbow]

That's a modest start. Try and do it in under 20 minutes next if you're looking to get into speedrunning.

[fervent jolt]

thats

hevy breth

[versed elbow]

Trust me it's not very hard once you learn the route.

[charred sigil]

it's a fine start don't be too discouraging

[thorn jasper]

hey there's not cutoff time, just do your best and look toward self improvement

[charred sigil]

I know you don't mean to be but

[fervent jolt]

well I shood study

[versed elbow]

You only get better bro

[charred sigil]

it's better to let people go at their own pace shaded

[versed elbow]

You only get better.

[mighty compass]

small update on the insignificant speedrunning of p5: i beat the first 2 bosses within 45 seconds

this is actually pretty fun

[fervent jolt]

45 secind?

[mighty compass]

can post a video if anyone's interested

[versed elbow]

I could practice 12 hours a day and still not figure out the Vengefly King quickkill

[fervent jolt]

o btw my mantis claw under1 h is glich les

[mighty compass]

@versed elbow i found an ok way to do it in pantheon

[versed elbow]

What's your method?

Nice job, Pale King. You got this.

[mighty compass]

so basically you have to move left the instant you spawn, pogo on the left vengefly, make sure you're in the left-top corner of the screen, dash to the left so both the vengeflies dash to the left (i'll show you in the video it's hard to explain)

then just abyss shriek the hell out of 'em

[fervent jolt]

mmm

[mighty compass]

one of them dies in 2-3 shrieks the other dies in 5-6 shrieks

https://streamable.com/pzslku

this is, of course, with shaman stone

[versed elbow]

I would assume it's like full endgame setup

[deft flame]

would fireball skips and epogo be considered glitches?

[mighty compass]

or you just get extremely good shout RNG

[deft flame]

it feels like they shouldnt

[mighty compass]

@versed elbow i doubt you'll be able to apply this to an actual speedrun, if you mean that quickkill

[versed elbow]

They're allowed in No Major Glitches, so I assume they're just considered mechanics.

Clever use of game mechanics. One of those situations.

[twin swallow]

they'd probably be considered exploits in that they make use of intended mechanics (knockback) in an unintended way

[mighty compass]

ye, but if you get bad shout RNG you can still make it so the left vengefly somehow dashes to the left

[deft flame]

they could be considered minor glitches to be in NMG but you dont technically glitch anything, its just how the game's physics works right

[versed elbow]

I found routes around having to do Vengefly King in both All Skills and Any% NMG for people who can't get the Vengefly quickkill with minimal time loss. I was mainly asking for the advice on Pantheon VK @mighty compass , so that was really helpful.

[mighty compass]

oh really? that's good haha

yeah my charm setup is like, wait

quick slash, shaman stone, the less spell cost thing, and soul eater

along with steady body but that's for later on

so not exactly necessary

p. sure you overcharm with this too

[versed elbow]

The only difference between our setups is I use Unbreakable Strength instead of Soul Eater and Steady Body.

[mighty compass]

yeah that makes sense

unbreakable strength doesn't affect spells though i think

it's good if you're trying to get farther than VK

[versed elbow]

Nah. Just nail hits

[mighty compass]

:P

[versed elbow]

Pretty sure it's the reason I can take down False Knight in like 15 seconds.

[mighty compass]

ye

quickslash + strength is amazing for false knight

you have to store soul otherwise

[fervent jolt]

do u have 112%?

[mighty compass]

and storing soul isn't hard on gruz mother but it's just annoying

no i don't, i have 97% i believe

[versed elbow]

109%

[mighty compass]

but the moment i hit godhome i was like "i live here now"

[versed elbow]

Missing 2 Pantheons and Trial of the Fool.

[fervent jolt]

i do

[versed elbow]

Nice

[mighty compass]

cool.

keep in mind i started playing this game 5 days ago

[fervent jolt]

o

[mighty compass]

yeah

i'm just extremely talented on picking up game language and apparently have a degree of natural skill in metroidvanias that i didn't know i had

[fervent jolt]

I coad

games

[versed elbow]

I've been playing for about 2 weeks? I just got interested in speedrunning it about a week ago

[mighty compass]

nice :) so we're both newbies then LOL

[versed elbow]

Very much so

[mighty compass]

i already tried my way around speedrunning the game but it just turns into a longplay compared to, like, anyone else lmao

not even because of the bosses, i'm pretty sure i'm more prone to dying to normal enemies sometimes

[versed elbow]

Sounds like you found a home in Pantheons tho

[mighty compass]

and because some skips are tedious as hell to learn

yeah i definitely did

i don't think i'm anywhere near beating hollownest's pantheon, but i do want to try

[versed elbow]

There are leaderboards for each Pantheon. If you ever decide you wanna go for them

[mighty compass]

wait really?

where can i download the splits

or is it just posting the times :)

[versed elbow]

It's on Speedrun.com

[mighty compass]

will check out

brb

[versed elbow]

You just click individual levels

[mighty compass]

oh my god thank you

i was trying to find it before

[versed elbow]

If you wanna compete for top times get used to playing at 1mask

[fervent jolt]

unforchinity

[versed elbow]

Fury of the Fallen is a BIG DPS boost

[tardy sable]

never even put on Fury for casual playthroughs lol

[chrome bramble]

any tips for cp wall cling storage

[versed elbow]

It was the first charm I got because I decided to explore the starting area

I put it on because I had it

Used it exactly twice

Like the actual effect of it

It was there as a "I'm out of soul with 1 mask left. You die or I die"

Both time ended with option #2

[tardy sable]

lol, I think i just saw the effects and be like "yea no not the charm for me"

[versed elbow]

I saw it as a last ditch effort charm. Like sitting on one health and just go for broke.

[tardy sable]

when i was starting i played with joycons on switch so i was extra extra bad

probably died to false knight smh

[versed elbow]

Ooof. Joycons. I can't say anything I actually beat WKs on Joycons in handheld my 2nd time ever fighting them. I had DDark and Shade Soul tho.

[tardy sable]

lol, i got to 109% somehow playing mostly in handheld

i think i went back to try to do flower quest on switch, it's literally impossible

[versed elbow]

I'll never do that flower quest again as long as I live. 112% isn't the category for me

Those runners are just built differently

[tardy sable]

yeea

[stuck raptor]

just play 100% nmms so you can dreamgate to the end of it

😉

[versed elbow]

Honestly I have my 2 categories

Any% NMG
All Skills

If I ever manage a top 5 time in either I'll be amazed

[tardy sable]

might do all skills some day once i overcome my fear of dark rooms

[versed elbow]

Dark rooms= Scary

I agree

[twin swallow]

all skills dark rooms are not too bad

[versed elbow]

I have 2 fears.

Dark Rooms
Low Gear Watcher Knights.

The 2 categories I chose are SPECIFICALLY to make me get over both of them

[formal bough]

so you are doing low% shaded?

[twin swallow]

run low%, do them both at the same time

[versed elbow]

Any% NMG. Having to fight them with base Nail and VS

[formal bough]

low% - you don't get dash or shaman stone for watcher knights

[deft flame]

my biggest fear is dream nail sequence platforms

[versed elbow]

[tardy sable]

sometimes i just think, if I do QG route on Any% long enough, dark deepnest would only be natural, right?

[formal bough]

also dark deepnest for the dark rooms

[versed elbow]

Low% requires more balls than I have

[formal bough]

well yeah think of all the fireball skips

[tardy sable]

If you don't fall off a platform is it even a real run

[versed elbow]

Dreamnail sequence platforms do be scary tho

As a beginner. I feel like for experienced runners that's a chill part

[deft flame]

i kinda know the optimal way to do it but i always get scared dashing before they appear lmao

plus i still need more practice there

[versed elbow]

That's me for the whole run

[deft flame]

btw do you do console?

[versed elbow]

Switch

[deft flame]

so what do you do for practice?

im kinda curious if console runners just do entire runs for practice since there's no debug mode

[versed elbow]

Just entire runs

[deft flame]

can you do stuff like saving before a boss, then after beating him force closing the game so it doesnt save

and then you can practice the boss again?

you mean the one with damage thingies everywhere?

go to bottom left or bottom right platform

or go to the walls but not too low

those spots are safe

there is also some space in the middle platform usually

oh i see

i wonder if it'd be possible to somehow install debug mod on a modded switch

[versed elbow]

I mean honestly it's not that hard

[deft flame]

uumuu is just weird, I think its the type of boss that is just hard for some people and easy to other people

for me its hard though lol

[versed elbow]

Console runners just practice A LOT

[wheat orbit]

wooooooo I fucking did it after close to an hour of jumping on that edge

[uneven scarab]

(General tip for qga: cdash a bit later than u originally think u need to)

[deft flame]

yeah uumuu do be like that, i needed a LOT of tries to start getting the hang of it

and i still need to practice him a lot more bc i keep missing the 3 cycle

[livid stirrup]

I swear it doesn't matter how much I get epogo right in practice

It always screws me in runs

Rip my pb pace

[native crane]

hey i try to play hollow knight on the version 1.2.2.1 to learn how to speedrun the game, but my ps4 and my xbox one controller both are not working ingame, is there a fix to this problem, couldnt find much online besides plug out and in again

[tardy sable]

1. beta controller option in the settings
2. use a third party program to map controller input to keyboard

[digital jewel]

don't use the first option

it can cause issues like crashing when you save&quit

[native crane]

i dont even have the first option in that version,only in the current patch.
is the only fix to install a third party programm? im relatively new to this so i dont really know how other people made their controllers work on 1.2.2.1

[tardy sable]

I use JoyToKey, i think there are also a couple other programs out there

because my controller also doesn't work on 1221 😢

[digital jewel]

try disabling controller support in steam settings

1221 supports xbox one controller natively but steam can interfere with that

[native crane]

unfortunately that also seems to do nothing

[native crane]

are you able to map 2 inputs on one button, i tried mapping the keyboard inputs on my ps4 controller with ds4 windows, that kinda worked but confirming and going back in menus was the issue i had with that method, i tried mapping the escape & enter key on the touchpad, but the problem with that was, that ds4 windows used the enter button on the bottom right corner of the keyboard which also does nothing ingame 😂

[warm spade]

just finished individual practice for all skills

[tardy sable]

yea, if by "2 inputs on one button" you mean "if i press button on controller, 2 keys on keyboard get pressed" joytokey can do that

[warm spade]

gonna set up my splits while the credits roll and do another breif individual practice then after that my first run

[tardy sable]

personally i just use keyboard and mouse for menus. Also I just binded my right joystick press to the Enter button lol

[digital jewel]

you shouldn't bind 2 inputs to 1 button

[native crane]

is there a problem with that?

[digital jewel]

yes it's not allowed in the rules

[warm spade]

oh really? i didn't know that

i mean i wasn't gonna do that but thats interesting

im curious, whats the benefit of two inputs one button?

[twin swallow]

you're effectively macro-ing

[dry sluice]

the easiest example for hk is if you click to load a save with both mouse buttons at the same time you get control instantly without having to wait to get off the bench and binding both mouse buttons to one press would get you that guaranteed every time without having to actually do it

[tardy sable]

• Each player input can be mapped to a maximum of one game input. Multiple player inputs can all be mapped to the same game input.
• Macros and turbo functions are not allowed.
• As an exception to the above rules, a macro with the sole function of allowing opposing directional inputs to override one another is allowed. An example script for use can be found in the Resources section.
  yep, there is a slight exception listed

[versed elbow]

Actually you can technically "Save State" on console if you're really quick @tardy sable I'm doing Watcher Knight practice. If you pause the game as soon as you kill the last one and quit it keeps them there and you can fight them again

[tardy sable]

damn

quick fingers

[versed elbow]

I'm assuming I could do that for all bosses?

As long as you know the death animation which if you're speedrunning you probably know the animation pretty well

[tardy sable]

watcher knights has a really long pause at the end, much longer than the other bosses, so maybe?

[versed elbow]

I mean HK is the easiest one to practice lol you get infinite goes at him

Uumuu is the only one where you might have to be really quick on your fingers

[tardy sable]

yea but without save states you get to sit through the credits, since you can't pause when he dies

or i guess you can just close the game

[native crane]

alright ill map escape and enter to other buttons then, thanks for the help people

[versed elbow]

I think closing the game would actually be faster

[lone oar]

Any love for a IL WR?

[versed elbow]

We show love for all runs

[tardy sable]

nice!

[formal bough]

IL WR but no blue name? peculiar

[versed elbow]

Nvermind

@tardy sable It didn't work

[tardy sable]

uumuu?

[versed elbow]

I didn't see a save symbol so I thought it might've worked

WKs

It actually didn't work

[tardy sable]

oof

team cherry has outsmarted the players once again

[versed elbow]

I mean tbf

At least it's really easy to get back to them

Takes like 23-25 mins for someone of my skill level

and I'm not that good

[tardy sable]

so how do you even practice WK on console, you just run all the way back there with low equipment?

[formal bough]

hold on besim that indicates that you beat your pb by 0.88 and yet your last screenshot was a 2:03.32, where is that missing 2 seconds? Also IL's work for blue names I believe so if you want one you could ask for it (mainly to get access to #sr-ducks tbf)

[versed elbow]

@tardy sable I guess now there are 2 ways

Start a new run and get back to them

[lone oar]

Yeah, my previous PB was 2:01 i believe, but that run sucked so I didnt submit it

[versed elbow]

Kill all except the final one and quit out there

Since once it's down to a 1v1 you know you won

[formal bough]

"that run sucked" - also wr. High standards lol

[tardy sable]

idk, maybe if you get to godhome with low equipment that could be a better solution?

[versed elbow]

[tardy sable]

there are 6 knights in godhome tho

[versed elbow]

This is very true

[formal bough]

godhome bosses have bunch of extra hp as well

[versed elbow]

I mean if you can beat 6 beefy bois

[tardy sable]

yea

[versed elbow]

You can probably beat 5 base bois

[formal bough]

oh just *1.6 hp

[versed elbow]

Would it be worth for a console player to just practice them with base nail and VS in GodHome then

Now I'm legit thinking about it

[formal bough]

you don't need wings for godhome afaik

unless you need them for the jump in hall of gods, which you actulaly migh

[versed elbow]

[tardy sable]

isn't mantis claw enough

hmm

[thorn jasper]

@lone oar are you going to submit this one? I'd love to see that

[versed elbow]

Lemme get on my Xbox save quick and I'll get back to you on that one

[lone oar]

Yes i submitted it. Here's the video if anyone's interested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66wDWrn8-WQ

[thorn jasper]

ohhh you already have second place!? don't want the speedrunner role?

[lone oar]

Sure why not

[thorn jasper]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/y65xp9qz src mods 👀

[lone oar]

Yay thanks!

[versed elbow]

Well that was the most heartstopping thing I've ever done in a speedrun

and it was in practice

I just did the entirety of Crystal Peak on 1 mask

[tardy sable]

lol

i feel like i always end up going into the crystal heart room with 2 hp

[dusk timber]

@lone oar you're insane, good stuff

[quartz elk]

Wow, super impressive. Also, am I blind or has fury making the one mask glow red always been a thing?

[tardy sable]

i think it always glows red when you have one hp and have fury

or maybe i don't remember bc i don't use fury

[lone oar]

I wrote an autosplitter (.asl script) for colo 1, however it isn't always completely reliable. Should I still upload it somewhere or something? A few people have asked for one over the years

[twin swallow]

sounds like something ideal for #resources

[lone oar]

Good point

[digital jewel]

if you share it then someone can correct it maybe

[burnt grove]

this might be why vk is hard for you: nail cancels are harder on switch, so getting through nail, fb, fb, nail, fb quickly is harder

[versed elbow]

I mean I know a way to get around going to VK now

Like having to fight him

[burnt grove]

I kill the game from the switch menu, which isn't much slower

[versed elbow]

Kinda figured

[chrome bramble]

When doing vs skip does shade soul make it different it feels different and harder with shade soul

[twin swallow]

don't think so?

only the damage value changes I think but idk

[versed elbow]

[digital jewel]

should be the exact same

[chrome bramble]

i think it takes a little bit longer to use a shade soul

i lose way more height in between shade soul than vs yes i use quick cast

exactly lol

ik

[carmine yew]

There’s no difference at all

[limpid ruin]

if your computer is bad enough you might unironically get lag from one animation/effect and the other, but I doubt youd be able to even run the game at that point

[warm spade]

hey is there not an autosplit event for rescuing sly?

cause i found one for bretta but i can't find sly's

[frank cobalt]

I made this for @stable flint , but it's relevant in pretty much every single category for every single runner, so I'm sharing here. Hope it helps someone:
https://youtu.be/Ya96rJqDEIo

[nimble galleon]

I forgot how hard the watcher knights are... Im going to need SO much practice before I can speedrun 😦

More fun than practicing Explosion Pogo in current patch, that's for sure

Havent made it that far in practice runs, no

The kiting is terrible, isnt it?

[tardy sable]

i think wk's pressure comes from dying and uumuu from losing time. Not saying you can't die to uumuu but i think uumuu's attacks are easier to dodge

[hearty adder]

Uumuu is fairly straightforward, even if it's harder to get 2 cycle Uumuu on cp settling for a 3 cycle when you're just starting out is a different story

WKs are more complicated because they do whatever the hell

[hearty adder]

Yeah I agree, in my attempts the things that's gotten me most during Uumuu was just being impatient

[stable flint]

Tysm

[nimble galleon]

I don't mind losing 30-60 seconds to Uumuu while Im starting out, Im just terrified of having to fight WK with Nail 0 if I want to save time

[hearty adder]

Since I'm assuming you're interested in any% nmg, if you watch fireb0rn's any% guide he has a whole video dedicated to the watcher knights

[nimble galleon]

Oh dang, def checking that out

[hearty adder]

Though on cp the most notable difference is the fireball doesn't reach as far as it used to on older patches, so you may be dealing less damage

It's still doable though

[warm spade]

yeah his video definitely helps but it's still hard as he;;

cp uumuu isn't the worst, im just impatiant usually

[hearty adder]

If when you're starting out you're having trouble, you can also grab the wanderer's journal in the room previous to mantis village (the one you reach with explosion pogo), so you can buy a nail upgrade

[nimble galleon]

Yeah Im practicing with nail upgrade for now. Figure quiting out of frustration is even worse than losing a minute or two to getting the upgrade

[hearty adder]

That's fair, nail upgrade is fairly easy to cut out of your route if you ever feel like you want to save time and like you can handle nail0

[tardy sable]

i want to say it's about 2 extra minutes getting the nail, but you do save some on WK, uumuu and THK just by having more damage

[hearty adder]

When you're starting out losing 1 minute isn't a huge deal either way

[tardy sable]

and also with nail upgrade, the deepnest spiders die in 2 hits instead of 4, so you can just kill them quick if you have low hp in beast's den

[nimble galleon]

Guess its tutorial time

[frank cobalt]

I'm not sure there's really "a quick kill" on the first knight

its pattern is random

I guess it depends what category you're running, but judging by the guides you're talking about I'm assuming any%

[deft flame]

any tips for killing the big guy in watchers spire fast? the one that does two damage and you only need to kill in CP

[frank cobalt]

@mighty vault if you're really comfortable with the game's inputs, you can fireball-nail-fireball-nail before jumping over the first time

always always always (always) always start on the left side of the first knight, always.

this forces him to turn around to face you, buying you a little extra time to get your damage rotation in

most people don't 😛

[deft flame]

damn i didnt know that either lol

[frank cobalt]

Pest had never thought of it until I had pointed it out to him during a practice session like... 4 months after he was already WR holder

it's not a common thing that most people notice

some people start with what's called the Pogo Strat, it looks hard but I promise you it's insanely easy and it's really safe, since you're already above the knight so it's hard to get hit
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/844344899?t=00h19m03s

that kill on the first knight is ~13 seconds from when the gate drops, which I think is about as fast as I can reasonably do

[nimble galleon]

That was insane...

[frank cobalt]

try it next time you practice, you can see my inputs too. you literally just hold down on the dpad, and then fireball-nail-fireball-nail-dash

you don't need to register a single movement input

best advice I can give

(if you aren't already)

time your nail swings, don't mash

👍

depends how you time it ha

but yeah, this was only 3 seconds slower than my gold, so I was happy with it

some people time the fight from the chandelier break, some people time it from when the gate drops

for the sake of practicing, most people time it from when the gate drops

with good movement, chandelier break -> gate drop is roughly 5 seconds

[versed elbow]

I'm still practicing low gear WKs

They still kick my ass 4-5 times

I've only successfully done it twice.

[frank cobalt]

It took me a lot of practice

It's a hard fight

[warm spade]

dude screen recording so laggy you can’t even see me navigate the home menu lmao

no way they’d allow a run that looks like that

i’m restarting and updating my computer, maybe that’ll help, it’s been pretty laggy lately in general

[tardy sable]

oof

hopefully

[warm spade]

idk what i’m gonna do if it isn’t fixed before the tournament

[tardy sable]

what tournament, the one in February?

[cold geyser]

https://youtu.be/R-w47OsjKiA
At around 17:00 in the video, fireb0rn backs out of going for shade soul because he says he needs monarch wings to get up there. What’s stopping him from dying to the elevator spikes and doing a shade skip to get up there? I did this once in a randomizer and it worked fine.

[vocal dove]

i haven't seen that one yet but i think in the last one they banned bench warping?

[cold geyser]

Benchwarps were fine in this one

[neon island]

Maybe he just forgot about the shade skip

[formal bough]

probably nothing, but a speedrunner wouldn't be that used to non-patch skips

[neon island]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vocal dove]

maybe fireborn just doesn't have that randomized mindset

[haughty fossil]

fire is a speedrunner, not a rando player, so it's less likely he knows of all the rando skips (besides, this skip doesn't even exist in rando because the lever is disabled in QoL by default)

[warm spade]

all skills tournament on the 1st

[tardy sable]

oh ok

[cobalt linden]

Fast as duck boi

[opal bloom]

how to fix the problem when my just downpatched hollow knight to 1.2.2.1 starts freezing for 10 seconds

I deleted a regedit thing

[twin swallow]

is it freezing randomly or in any particular spots (like picking up spells, hitting spikes, etc.)

[opal bloom]

randomly

but on the same spots i think

When i came in this room

I have like zero fps

[twin swallow]

huh. wouldn't have thought that room was graphically intense...

reduced graphics/particle settings?

[opal bloom]

And the next one with 3 aspids

[opal bloom]

sorry?

in game settings

or my videocard

[twin swallow]

in game settings, particle and blur quality

[opal bloom]

gimme sec

[twin swallow]

I had to turn mine to lowest settings to run 1221 at all and I still got a lot of freezes

[opal bloom]

is this the right thing?

Swithed Patricle Effects to Low

[twin swallow]

yeah, i guess blur option was only on later patches maybe

[opal bloom]

And this is the picture that i had to see for like 10 seconds

I think this happening when i hit or getting hit

[grizzled maple]

he's doing the cha cha slide

[opal bloom]

I agree!

But

[grizzled maple]

for real though, depending on specs some pc's really struggle with 1221

have you deleted the registry since downpatching? sorry if its been asked, there was too much to catch up on

[opal bloom]

I just hit a lot of fly thing and i didnt get any freeze

[opal bloom]

I did

I was deaf for some time

[echo wagon]

TIL you can dash downwards. That only took 300 hours of gameplay to find out xD

[nimble galleon]

You need dashmaster, right?

[formal bough]

You need dashmaster equipped for that

[nimble galleon]

Ok good, Im not insane

[echo wagon]

Ah that explains why I have never seen it before

[echo wagon]

Yeah that was me after just doing it xD

[snow dome]

Conversely

[twin swallow]

haven't lived until you've accidentally downdashed into spikes on 1hp

[nimble galleon]

isn't that the exact reason people hate Dashmaster?

[snow dome]

Today you found out that the game will sometimes make you dash downwards when you have dashmaster equipped

[twin swallow]

yeah, qol mod makes left/right priority over up/down

[snow dome]

Gives me up dash, you TC cowards

[steady lynx]

That is the exact reason I've not used dashmaster in runs except for WP and the final Abyss trip

[snow dome]

QoL is life.

[opal bloom]

When i killing one of aspids my game lagging, i got it

[opal bloom]

Is this the only way to get freezes a bit rare?

thanks btw

[twin swallow]

I honestly have no idea, it was still pretty bad for me so I run nearly everything on current patch

this made it "better" but not good

older patches were just less optimized in general and may run poorly if you don't have a good pc

[opal bloom]

I got it with these aspids

[twin swallow]

someone else may have more experience

i5-3550 cpu, gtx 1660ti gpu, 16g ram

[opal bloom]

Yo wtf

I have gtx 1050 ti and cpu by amd

[twin swallow]

every time I pick up a spell my entire game freezes for 5 seconds

every time I hit a wall, spikes or take damage, about 0.5 seconds

[dull lion]

So I accidentally got hornet stuck in the ground during an all skills run. Would that be enough to invalidate a run?

Like she couldn’t move and only her head was above ground

[opal bloom]

Or maybe any cpu problems

[twin swallow]

my cpu is just old and needs replacing

[opal bloom]

Here's the problem

[twin swallow]

it's basically the only thing I haven't upgraded since i first built

[dull lion]

Yeah it’s definitely not that simple

But I think it would because it breaks the ai

[twin swallow]

yeah is potato

[formal bough]

I believe boss ai breaking is either time loss or invalidated based on the category?

[snow dome]

The Hornet glitch is known and I'm pretty sure it's a time penalty, but I don't know how long.

[limpid ruin]

Hornet (both 1 and 2) getting stuck in the ground is an invalid run, the only place it's just a time penalty is in pantheons during 112% purely due to the time and effort investment needed to even get that far

[snow dome]

Oh wow, that's pretty harsh

Hornet 2 in particular

[deft thorn]

is it consistently avoidable though?

[leaden python]

not really

[deft thorn]

because I feel like that's a pretty harsh punishment indeed, for something that player has no control over

[limpid ruin]

It used to invalidate 112% runs as well

[deft thorn]

especially because even in shorter runs, getting to h2 does require some time, and if you are on a PB pace, also nerves

[deft thorn]

yes, a step in the right direction :D

[dull lion]

That was my first time seeing it so I figured I’d ask. luckily then I didn’t pb

[leaden python]

Like if you do extremely baby strats then you won't get it. But when you smack her head against the ground and walls with your black spells it can just happen

[snow dome]

H1 it sucks but it's 10m, hornet 2 is a while away in as

[deft thorn]

like, I can totally understand H1

10 mins is justifiable

but treating runners' time like ~30 mins is nothing feels a bit wrong to me

[limpid ruin]

Isnt caused by staggering her right as she touches ground or something, vali?

[frail beacon]

First run in, its not easy at all haha

[leaden python]

ggs, that's very good for the first run, nice job 👍

[deft thorn]

I just did dark deepnest for the first time

[snow dome]

TE looks so hard

[frail beacon]

it is rougher than i thought

[dull lion]

I’ve put off learning true ending out of fear of the clawless shade skip and radiance

I’ll probably finally do it after the all skills tourney though

[leaden python]

clawless shade skip is not that hard actually. Radiance can be pretty brutal tho

[steady lynx]

TE is absolutely brutal at first

Also that's on switch so that's Lifeblood+ Traitor Lord

[leaden python]

yeah on CP/consoles traitor lord is brutal as well

[steady lynx]

Good that the Shade Soul with Shaman Stone is so thicc so you can double hit him

[leaden python]

yeah 1221 goes for doubles as well. they might be a bit easier on CP cuz the bastard is also faster

[steady lynx]

In my run I was so used to having DDark for him so I messed up bad

DDark makes him completely obselete

[leaden python]

Every ddark is wasted shriek 😔

[deft flame]

so ummmm

invisible THK

what the hell did i do

and how do i not ever do it again

[steady lynx]

I need to get better at using Shriek on him instead of DDark stuff when he jumps

[deft thorn]

ran out of memory

and you don't avoid it

you just take it

[hallow orchid]

If you're playing vanilla there's basically nothing you can do

[leaden python]

yeah you just embrace the meme

[hallow orchid]

If you're playing with mods, disable custom knight

[deft flame]

vanilla

i reached thk 2 min ahead on my pb

[steady lynx]

Just get invisible THK WR

[hallow orchid]

[deft flame]

mf just stole my run

[hallow orchid]

you can avoid it by running categories that do not fight The Hollow Knight

[steady lynx]

Like 112 and GE

[hallow orchid]

and All charm Notches

[leaden python]

And get fucked by invisible Hornet2 or invisible Failed Champ

[deft flame]

i am so mad lmao

i had 4 gold splits in this run

[steady lynx]

Invisible Pure Vessel when?

[deft thorn]

wait invis h2 is a thing

[formal bough]

does clearing registry do anything for invis or just for other thigns

[deft flame]

it was so good

[formal bough]

also april I think invis anything is possible

[deft thorn]

wow

god game

[leaden python]

ok Gusten if I ever get invisible PV on pb pace I will absolutely lose my shit

[formal bough]

And s&q can fix invis I think?

[deft flame]

i tried, didnt work

[deft thorn]

god with one o because I ran out of os

[leaden python]

no, s/q won't fix it

[steady lynx]

I'd just take it as a sign to retire if I got invis PV

[hallow orchid]

s&q doesn't fix it alex, you have to completely quit out of the game

[leaden python]

only alt-f4

[deft thorn]

gotta steal some more o's

[formal bough]

oh it's alt-f4? good to know for when I will eventually get invis from rando

[steady lynx]

Actually, Idk if invisible is possible on switch, never seen anyone get it

[formal bough]

here you can borrow one from my name april

[steady lynx]

On the other hand like five people run switch

[deft thorn]

thonk you Alex

[steady lynx]

Olox

[leaden python]

I wouldn't be surprised if invis never happens on consoles, because Unity knows exactly the amount of video memory it has, so it probably better manages it

[deft thorn]

I feel thicc now

[steady lynx]

It might be possible just exceedingly rare

[leaden python]

I mean yeah, assuming that something glitchy never happens in this game would be really naive of me

[steady lynx]

This is TC's masterpiece spaghetti dish, I never put anything past it

[deft thorn]

yeah, if it's a good spaghetti dish then it should fill you up quite nicely, you wouldn't put in anything after that

[steady lynx]

How about breadstick?

[deft flame]

i still dont believe thk just stole my pb out of my hands

so rude smh

[deft thorn]

I suppose tasty, but that is quite a bit too much dough after so much pasta already

[steady lynx]

switch any% runners better watch out when I feel done with 112%, AS and TE

[burnt grove]

for nail 1 to add 73s loadless, you need to get the geo from moss knights in Greenpath (+12s if you're decent, +10s if you're Pisces), instead of the journal near claw (+30s)
also need to pick up seal near Lemm and backtrack to sell, so you only sell once
on console it adds much more time bc s&q adds 20s more
but imo until your pb is in the 40 range loadless, nail 1 pays for itself easily

[rotund jackal]

you ever feel like your pb was just a fluke ?

[burnt grove]

mood

[versed elbow]

2nd run was a 47 minute PB

[tardy sable]

TIL if you kill VK as he is screaming, you just get stuck like this lol

[formal bough]

yeah. The only way to fix that is hope that a vengefly is close enough to hit you out of it

[steady lynx]

Zote is judging you

[worthy sluice]

Imagine losing a run at crystal peaks in the final room because you were too slow 😤

[versed elbow]

Zote is hardcore judging you

[worthy sluice]

So the lazer hits and kills you

[versed elbow]

Imagine losing a sub 2 hour to dying and losing all your geo in Beast's Den

[worthy sluice]

Done that

But only in practice

[versed elbow]

So you have to make up some alternative Geo route

I did it in a run I was recording.

And still managed to shave 47 mins off my time.

[worthy sluice]

Lol go back the way you came ez

[versed elbow]

Yep

[worthy sluice]

Oh no

[versed elbow]

I actually got like 150 geo so I got 100 more and bought the stag.

Oh well. Timesave for next run right?

[worthy sluice]

Yup

Dying to watchers

Ez timesave

[versed elbow]

I died a lot less to them this time around.

I'm getting better against them.

I still don't like them, but I respect them.

[worthy sluice]

Yeah I do too

Yeah I was on pace to get a 1:0x

Before dying in crystal peaks

[versed elbow]

My runs have not been pretty, but they consistently get faster.

[worthy sluice]

Thats all you need to do

[versed elbow]

Pretty much

[worthy sluice]

In still sad I lost that 1:0x pace

That would've been so awesome

[daring coral]

Hi, I'm looking to get into speed running this game, could anyone point me to where I could learn a beginner route please?

[worthy sluice]

Fire born has an amazing tutorial for any% nmg which is the most popular category

[deft thorn]

is there a command to see livesplit layout/splits locations?
or can I just navigate there from within livesplit?

[daring coral]

would that be on his youtube?

[worthy sluice]

Yeah It would but before then you might want to choose your category

Some people run all skills which shaded knows a bit about if in not mistaken

Some people like longer runs and do 106%

I depends on what you like

And how long you want your run to be

[daring coral]

the closest ive ever got to speedtunning before was basicaly just fast runs of my favourite games so i'd probably be looking for something fairly accessable to begin with

[worthy sluice]

I haven't run all skills however it and any% nmg are probably the easiest to learn

[thorn jasper]

I started with All Skills because I'm bad at the bosses and that category gives you more damage for the fights. I was initially also scared of the dark rooms so I routed in extra geo for lantern

[deft thorn]

I just did the route for the first time, realized dark rooms are free after following the tutorial to a T

in AS

[worthy sluice]

You need to ask someone who knows anything about live split btw

[deft thorn]

but boy, the movement isn't

[deft thorn]

yeah, I was asking in this chat because usually people are lurking who know

[thorn jasper]

I also routed wings first to make the last isma skip easier

[frail beacon]

we will see how much punishment i take on TE before i step back to something "easier"

[daring coral]

that sounds logical, starting with a category with easier fights should hopefully let me try to get better rather than just dying instantly

[worthy sluice]

I personally would recommend watching one of each run

And figuring out which one is more apealing

[daring coral]

ive watched quite a few runs already

[worthy sluice]

Aight

[thorn jasper]

Are you looking for a full list without needing to use the UI ?

[deft thorn]

I am just learning AS for the tournament, and it's hard going through it the first time
the bosses are pretty much the only thing I found truly easy^^

[worthy sluice]

Just some tips, if you want to learn any% you will really struggle with the watcher knight fights and THK

[deft thorn]

I just found it, thanks^^
just had to go open splits > from file and it showed the location in my file browser

[worthy sluice]

but the rest of the run is fun

[thorn jasper]

glad you found it, because I was definitely misinterpreting the question, and was going to send you https://github.com/ShootMe/LiveSplit.HollowKnight/blob/e35cdc2453d0b2cc6d0c706745c8249d79a31931/HollowKnightSplitSettings.cs#L55

[daring coral]

i didn't really struggle with watcher knights or THK in my first casual playthrough but i also got all upgrades first so im assuming that'll have changed it significantly

[worthy sluice]

Yeah

WK is really hard

[slate fulcrum]

sorry for interrupting, what was your worst speedrun choke?

[worthy sluice]

Loading the game

[daring coral]

i remember abusing descending dark but if i recall correctly any% doesnt get either of the down skills

[tardy sable]

Falling off the platforms in distant village

[slate fulcrum]

oof

so

[worthy sluice]

All skills gets ddark for WK any% does not

[deft thorn]

thanks, that's actually also a useful resource

[slate fulcrum]

i recently started running Aluba%, it's really short and easy, also makes you better at the beginning of any%, because it's literally the same

[deft thorn]

not for what I was trying to do, but maybe for later

[slate fulcrum]

i run it on Current Patch, NMG

i'm at 6th place rn

with a time of 9:23

[worthy sluice]

Neat

[daring coral]

whats aluba%?

[slate fulcrum]

i almost got an 8:58

[tardy sable]

remove the aluba at green lake i assume

[slate fulcrum]

i mistimed the Vengeful Spirit and fell into the lake

[daring coral]

oof

[slate fulcrum]

i know it's really bad, but it was 6th place so i decided to upload it anyway

i will improve it, i wanna get at least under 9 minutes

[worthy sluice]

I wont be able to get an any% below 40:00 because my loads suk

[slate fulcrum]

what do you mean by your loads suck?

[daring coral]

well a shorter run does sound appealing because hopefully i spend less time bashing my head off all of the walls before even doing a run

[worthy sluice]

I play on console

[slate fulcrum]

oh

i assume load remover doesn't work on consoles?

[worthy sluice]

I spent at least 10 hours in practice before attempting my first any% run

[daring coral]

oof

[slate fulcrum]

i didn't practice at all for my first any% run and got a 1h 04m

don't worry, i'm not gonna upload that

[worthy sluice]

What did you do splice???

[daring coral]

well might as well put my infinite hours of free time into something

[worthy sluice]

The hek

[slate fulcrum]

i didn't even use LiveSplit, the 1h 04m was the save file time

[tardy sable]

the hek

[worthy sluice]

that timer is fast but not that fast

bob if you need any help with anything, most of the time these legends will be there to help

[slate fulcrum]

anyway, i've been running that motherfucking Aluba% for almost 4 hours straight, my fingers are starting to go numb, my head hurts and it's 2 am

cya

[daring coral]

heck i forgot time exists

[worthy sluice]

Ahhahahahahaha

[daring coral]

oh never mind its a weekend

[worthy sluice]

Bye axew

[daring coral]

who even needs sleep

[vocal dove]

i died in beasts den and still pb'd

[slate fulcrum]

also, if any speedrun.com mod is reading this, can i get the Speedrunner role?

[worthy sluice]

Wait to have the run verified

[grizzled maple]

^ and link the verified run when you ask

[worthy sluice]

Wait it is

[slate fulcrum]

...

[worthy sluice]

https://www.speedrun.com/user/Axew

[grizzled maple]

Theres hundreds of active runners. The mods don't know who most people are.

Like the run itself bro

The page with YOUR run

[slate fulcrum]

it's bad

i'll try to get that mf >9:00 tomorrow

thanks for the role, gn

[tardy sable]

Today I have found a new way to kill Vengefly King, I love it because

1. It's slow
2. It's inconsistent
3. It leaves geo in places that take extra time to get
   May I introduce, the VK slow kill
   https://youtu.be/ct8AFGhmumU

[proud vessel]

so i still have that problem i had earlier where it didnt let me attack until i went into the controls menu, i got joy2key but i dont understand how it works

[haughty fossil]

are you using mouse binds?

[proud vessel]

yes

[haughty fossil]

(joytokey isn't for keyboard) use this instead: #resources message

[proud vessel]

ah, somebody told me to use joy2key

[haughty fossil]

yeah joytokey specifically looks for gamepad inputs, it does not work with assigning mkb input -> mkb input

[proud vessel]

so for this it just makes it so left mouse click does h, and right click do t?

[haughty fossil]

yeah

[proud vessel]

so i should rebind attack to h, and dash to t

ok gotcha

thanks for the help

gonna attempt my first full speedrun today

[jaunty anvil]

i got my 1st sub 1h !!!!

[vocal dove]

how much time does it lose to skip vfk and just grab geo from deposits in fungal?

i stopped going for vfk because i cant do the quick strat

[proud vessel]

i see that UuwuU

[warm spade]

hey, i'm trying to record a run and the video is just, so bad, it runs at like a good 2 frames per second, anyone know how I can get a better quality recording of my game without like, buying a better computer?

[daring trench]

is there a list of current version skips/glitches?

[warm spade]

yeah they'll accept this run right?

[grizzled maple]

That would be quite the list Indecks

Is there anything more specific you're wanting to find?? I can't stress just how many both glitches (major and minor) and skips exist.

[limpid ruin]

Hm, some potential shouts:,

• switching over to hardware encoding,
• using obs studio instead of slobs
• running obs studio as admin
• turn down resolution, maybe as far down as 480p, 360 even
• reduce bitrate, start on something like 1000-2000, and lower it if it's still dropping frames

[deft thorn]

also, is this typical? your video makes it look like obs just somehow got stuck, rather than simply dropping frames

try adding hk as a game capture, screen capture or window capture, respectively, and see if it resolves any of the issues

[warm spade]

yeah its really weird

[deft thorn]

my obs sometimes gets stuck when trying to record certain windows, such as virtual machines, and I have to play around with the type of capture I am using for it to work

[warm spade]

cause i look at my monitor and it seems like the game is running at a frame rate

but when i check the recording it doesnt even move till like 3 minutes in

[deft thorn]

maybe post your hardware config and obs settings here

or tinker a bit

in the settings tab where you can set encoder etc.

[warm spade]

where exactly would I find my hardware config?

[deft thorn]

you can get a rough overview by typing dxdiag into a cmd prompt under windows

[warm spade]

yeah i'm on obs studio, but i don't really know what hardware encoding is

[deft thorn]

that'll show your cpu under the system tab, and your gpu under the tab of the first monitor

[warm spade]

what would my hardware configuration be under?

[deft thorn]

those two (cpu and gpu) are the most relevant and usually enough to help with setting up obs

[warm spade]

uh i see cpu but not gpu

[deft thorn]

do you see the tab that says something like "display 1"?

under there

[warm spade]

ohhh

okay

yeah i don't see anything

[deft thorn]

wdym

[warm spade]

i just found cpu under system

[versed elbow]

LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOO

1:23:46

[warm spade]

there isnt anything cpu or gpu in displays 1 or 2

[deft thorn]

just look for the name

first line

the display 1 is literally your gpu

it's not gonna say gpu anywhere

[versed elbow]

That run felt sooooo good.

[deft thorn]

any%?

[versed elbow]

Yea NMG on Switch

[deft thorn]

nice!

switch do be hard

[versed elbow]

3rd run ever.

[deft thorn]

wow Ö_Ö

I think I took 5 runs just to get the sub 5 hour achievement (including my very first playthrough)

but that's really impressive

[warm spade]

okay so the first line in display one syas Name: Intel(R) HD Graphics 620

[deft thorn]

ah

gotcha

[warm spade]

does that mean anything?

[deft thorn]

you can't record with that I think

[warm spade]

oh no

[deft thorn]

that's about as bad as it gets for recording purposes

unless your second display uses something else

you have a laptop or PC?

[warm spade]

no its the same thing

laptop sadly

[deft thorn]

hm, does it have a nvidia sticker somewhere on the top/front?

[warm spade]

yeah my mom said this was a high gpu cpu gaming laptop

i think she got scammed

[deft thorn]

sometimes, if you have a laptop with both, intel and nvidia graphics card, it will have nvidia optimus enabled

[warm spade]

but this was like 3 years ago so nothing we can do now

[deft thorn]

nvidia optimus basically makes intel graphics your standard, and only switches to the good graphics card when needed

[versed elbow]

Poor momma got scammed

[deft thorn]

but sometimes it can't know when it's needed

[warm spade]

hmm

how would i tell

[deft thorn]

can you try searching in the programs list (start menu) for nvidia?

or just look at the stickers on your laptop

usually, if it has a nvidia or amd gpu, it will have a nvidia or amd sticker on the front

[warm spade]

if it did i probably took it off a long time ago

[deft thorn]

(just saying, it's probably not an amd gpu in this case, since that doesn't have anything like optimus afaik)

[warm spade]

but i'll search for it

[deft thorn]

if it pops up under local programs, then you are in luck
if there are only internet searches, then not

[warm spade]

yeah no not there

[deft thorn]

aww

[warm spade]

yeah just internet

[deft thorn]

looks grim

[warm spade]

this isn't very ideal

[deft thorn]

nope

[warm spade]

sub optimal some may say

[deft thorn]

well, you can try one thing

but it's a far shot

go into obs and under the output tab (is it called output tab in english? idk, the tab where you configure stream/video quality) you can try changing the encoder

if you have something like "hardware (qsv)", try that (it's horrible but maybe worth a try?)
and if it's not, then try software (x264)
the latter is probably going to fry your cpu, but if it's not already there, you might as well try

[warm spade]

my encoder is currently "software (x264)"

[deft thorn]

as cerpin said, also try turning your resolution waaay down (this is not done in the same tab, but in the video tab)

[warm spade]

my other option is hardware (QSV)

[deft thorn]

sadly, I am not familiar with how to set the resolution, but I believe you leave the top one as it is, and only reduce the bottom one

[warm spade]

alright i'll try

[deft thorn]

try that then :)

good luck

[warm spade]

okay i turned the resolution to the lowest setting, and also put the hk graphics on the lowest setting just so you know

i'll see how it goes

instead of starting a run I'll probably just mess around in my main file

[deft thorn]

if there is still help needed, ask here, people are very helpful and knowledgeable
I will go sleep though, since it's late here

[warm spade]

alright have a good night dude

[deft thorn]

thanks^^

you too

[versed elbow]

Here are the splits btw

[warm spade]

niiiice dude

[versed elbow]

Progress!

[warm spade]

what the heck i sent the wrong video

[versed elbow]

Wait, did you delete that?

[warm spade]

why did it not send the trimmed version

okay one sec lemme resend it