#speedrunning
twin swallow
it is for most new runners
floral ferry
Yeah, it took me a while to get pretty consistent with them
And I still lose to them every know and then
Usually when all of my splits before them are gold splits
dim glen
also for me watcher knights its a run killer
Took me a good 5 hour session to get used to them
meager current
i always get like so many red splits in the early game and watcher knights is like : 'are you challenging me?'
charred sigil
red splits, have you finished a run?
meager current
yes
meager current
yup
charred sigil
nice
meager current
it was on current patch so i downpatched last night and am gonna start running on 1.2.2.1
also i have tried explosion pogo in practice and it seems a bit hard for me :/
floral ferry
Explosion pogo can be tricky at first
sacred arrow
so my youtube stream have to be splittet with time steps yes?
floral ferry
I found it helped to keep track of how far down the spore should be before I jump up
limpid ruin
Explosion pogo is tricky forever, bc timing stuff is literally impossible. Trust me, ive failed it
meager current
the spore keeps bouncing off the wall above
grizzled maple
fireball skips and explosion pogo are two tricks that look easy, but they only get slightly easier with time. top runners fail both often enough
limpid ruin
There's a great tutorial from murihoro on a specific 1221 setup in #resources. Definitely recommend watching
meager current
if i fail the greenpath spirit skip i just do squit skip
grizzled maple
his name is eric first of all
simple ice
who named him eric
deft flame
it feels like everything is really precise for explosion pogo on CP + vsync, the timing for dropping from the platform, the positioning, the jump timing, the down slash timing
meager current
who is eric
simple ice
He already had a name that no one used
deft flame
its like if all the stars align in this run you might get it
grizzled maple
he's been eric since ive been here idk
simple ice
think it was derral or something
grizzled maple
what the heck ive never heard that one
meager current
who are you talking about
grizzled maple
maybe eric is derrals son
simple ice
I remember that from Ouro's time
grizzled maple
the squit
meager current
i call him dave
grizzled maple
flies dont live that long you know
grizzled maple
he's too trolly for such a normal sounding name
meager current
thats the point
grizzled maple
eric is like a punk teenager who sometimes charges too early
meager current
its ironic
grizzled maple
its incredibly rare but its possible for him to instantly charge and ruin the whole setup
meager current
oh god
grizzled maple
s-quit
meager current
same
grizzled maple
how else would you?
short spire
/skwɪt/
meager current
haha yes
thorn jasper
sk-ee-t apparently
as in mo-squit-o
grizzled maple
but mosquito is pronounced mo ski to
thorn jasper
I assumed sk-ee-t is pronounced ski with a t
grizzled maple
meager current
much yikes
thorn jasper
S6, is your name intentionally like 56? curious
meager current
no
thorn jasper
because 56 is the username of a prominent hk modder, who's very well known in the speedrunning community
meager current
there was a joke in #hk-discussion where we would have the 1 letter followed by 1 number and thats it
and i decided to keep it
thorn jasper
I see
meager current
call me Slothy if you want tho
grizzled maple
I'm glad someone else noticed. sometimes when they're typing I think wtf 56 is active again??
meager current
ill remove my nickname
also why did whoever decided what letters look like make 5 and S look to similar
versed elbow
Fuuuuck. Sub 5 with no boss breaking or Fury of the Fallen in Pantheon of the Master is kinda hard.
meager current
soul warrior?
versed elbow
I got a 5:19 without the soul warrior breaking. Might upload and submit that just to get that horrible 7 min run
Off the LBs
versed elbow
Yea I broke soulwarrior completely unintentionally.
3 shade souls and his AI told him to bot walk in a straight line at me.
meager current
its a problem with his ai probably
grizzled maple
soul warrior glitch is banned on IL boards, sorry
it's a time penalty only for runs like godhome ending or 112 that do pantheons really late in a long category
grizzled maple
ah i see. the wording was odd
versed elbow
My bad
versed elbow
I'm on console so unfortunately there's no way for me to fix it.
deft flame
we need a speedrunner working at team cherry
formal bough
it's called not having 
🍝 code
grizzled maple
he's not specifically a speedrunner but yes he's done runs of hk
versed elbow
I mean it's something right?
arctic fjord
...and silksong..?
deft flame
oh thats really cool actually
versed elbow
I wonder if he speedrun Silksong so he can have day 1 WR
sacred arrow
whats the lowwest % you can have in hollow knight
meager current
he will probably
grizzled maple
meager current
technically he probably already has wr
grizzled maple
Under level runs he has a few
sacred arrow
lol
versed elbow
Daaamn. He's actually pretty good.
meager current
ye graig is cool dude and an alright speedruner so he gets an S+ rank on my tier list of team cherry employees jk i dont have one of those
digital jewel
you're allowed to ask it
thorn wing
quite little
should be fine
im not sure how to only display a certain number of splits at a time
and have it scroll down as i split
im doing an 100% run and i dont wanna see every upgrade in the game on my screen constantly lol
knotty vigil
these two you can adjust
twin swallow
edit layout > splits > total splits
twin swallow
edit layout > layout settings > fonts
steady lynx
QGA or into Fog canyon?
grizzled maple
Specifically which part
marble grail
Hey a Question how long does the downpatching takes with the (new) steam method. I started to do it yesterday at 10 pm put my PC to sleep at 12 and the next morning I continued at like 7 am and now its 4 pm and it hasnt install yet
worthy sluice
Fog canyon and getting the crystal dash on the wall
formal bough
how good is your internet
grizzled maple
You can't do it too high, and make sure to not try and start it too early.
formal bough
also maybe putting it to sleep broke it
grizzled maple
You want your eye hole partially submerged.
formal bough
(don't know enough)
steady lynx
For me I just walk off the platform on the left and try to time it as I hit the wall
floral ferry
For acid skip, I recommend practicing your wall cling crystal dash safely first
grizzled maple
My actual advice is to go on the wall above it and practice dashing at it and starting a cdash until you're more consistent with the cdash timing without losing height
floral ferry
Try to get to the point where you don't slide down the wall at all before you start your crystal dash
grizzled maple
I have a video that explains this exact thing
worthy sluice
And in the 1/8 that i do get a successful crystal dash I cant wall jump before hitting the acid
marble grail
how good is your internet
Pretty good and you might be right maybe putting it to sleep broke it
Im gonna try to restart if in half an hour nothing happens
steady lynx
Wait, you mean the one before Uumuu?
grizzled maple
worthy sluice
After
grizzled maple
Here watch this
grizzled maple
Oh you're struggling with that one..
yeah okay youre probably just pressing it too early. that's literally the only way to fail it
worthy sluice
No the one you sent is the one in struggling with
grizzled maple
Oh okay then
steady lynx
In any% when doing QGA I made this mistake where I went to Deepnest by accident
grizzled maple
That clip should help then. Do the thing at the top until you feel like your cdash muscle memory is good, then go start doing it on the actual spot.
With some experience youll know if you're too high for the cdash to actually start, like i mentioned it won't start if you're too high
You can buffer a jump out of a dash to start it over
worthy sluice
I just don't have the muscle memory I don't think I either hit too high or hit the acid
tranquil frigate
Howlymoulywacamouly
grizzled maple
Yes, that's why you should do the thing i recommended. To build up some muscle memory for when to cdash.
@tranquil frigate You might be lost. #hk-meme is higher up
tranquil frigate
Xd
worthy sluice
I'm about to casually SMASH A HOLE IN MY TV TRYING THIS
tranquil frigate
which program or how do they do for the Speedrun counter?
steady lynx
Livesplit?
tranquil frigate
Tnks
grizzled maple
Count you shouldn't take it that seriously tbh. This is one of the harder tricks in all of hk speedrunning.
If you don't want to do it, Deepnest route only loses about 40 seconds. So you can learn this later when you're overall better at the run.
This is that movement
https://youtu.be/WaZ6yRHOf-o
floral ferry
Yeah, I've done quite a few runs at this point, and I still don't do qga
steady lynx
Even top runners like Ax mess up QGA more often than they'd admit
floral ferry
You can still get a decent time without it
grizzled maple
Honestly I'm a huge advocate of biting the bullet and learning the hardest stuff so you're better at it later but like... if you're actually frustratedjust... don't.
steady lynx
I chose to run All Skills first for the purpose of not doing QGA, it has to do Hornet 2 instead so Idk if that tradeoff was good
grizzled maple
i still should make a video for H2 specifically
If you keep control the fight is fine, but knowing how to do that is what people really struggle with at first.
median gull
Honestly I'm a huge advocate of biting the bullet and learning the hardest stuff...
make sure you are having fun so you don't get burnt out and quit without doing a run
steady lynx
I can do H2 kinda well but sometimes I just go complete Zote mode and die
snow dome
I kind of want to highlight my hornet fight from today.
It's not perfect, but I think it's a really good example of something that beginners should be aiming for
grizzled maple
12 needle throw 
snow dome
In that I'm a beginner and it's the best hornet I've ever had. 👀
worthy sluice
Aight I just did your suggestion emray and I really like that route
grizzled maple
That's what I meant by that gusten lol
12 needle throw = ddark spam and no movement
I had a fight similar to that the other day while recording that top 10 bosses video lol i just threw it out because it was boring to watch
steady lynx
If you're good enough you can even have Grimmchild helping out
I won't give up my weenie bench ways
snow dome
Not really
grizzled maple
No, the geo routing is one thing thats irrelevant to skill
snow dome
The Geo route isn't that tight
versed elbow
grizzled maple
i mean it is in 1221 any% lol
versed elbow
Thank
grizzled maple
you usually end up at exactly what you need
versed elbow
I do CP
snow dome
You will randomly pick up extra Geo as a slower player for some unknown reason
versed elbow
Console runner
steady lynx
If you're new and consistently end tight on geo, just get the rocks in fungal
grizzled maple
hey @sturdy sandal delete that please. this is the wrong channel
grizzled maple
once you have your time on the board you can post cat all you want in #sr-offtopic
snow dome
I never found myself that short on any% until I started getting close to the 1h time mark
Shamans is hard
snow dome
Hey, you raided me and upped my viewer count by like 500% the other week
steady lynx
We appreciate cat pics in offtopic
grizzled maple
have you not seen the cat and duck spam
its so good
the real reason to be a speedrunner
sturdy sandal
Hey, you raided me and upped my viewer count by like 500% the other week
I don't remember sorry
steady lynx
Zenonira at it with the daily ducks
snow dome
Duck spam is top tier
snow dome
I don't remember sorry
Well thanks, anyway
sturdy sandal
I do alot of people
Its hard to remind
Remember
Anyways how do I get speedrun role
grizzled maple
link the video from src and ping src mods
formal bough
You need a verified run on speedrun.com
sturdy sandal
Okay
versed elbow
That moment when your motivation to get a speedrun role is to post catpics
sturdy sandal
K
versed elbow
I only yell at mods in one server and it's a server where I'm a mod
What category do you run, Fierce?
marble grail
hey sorry for bothering again but im downpatching HK with the new method and im seeing its popping the same command a lot, is that normal?
rotund jackal
is it saying something about controllers ?
rotund jackal
yeah that's normal, you can unplug your controller to stop the spam
but as long as it doesn't say it's finished, it's still downloading
marble grail
ok thx
heady ore
Hello. So, I'm trying to downpatch to 1.2.2.1 and whenever i use the download depot code provided for it i get and error (Depot download failed : Manifest not available). Not sure if there is a fix for this but if someone could give me some insite that would be awesome.
limpid ruin
I should probably leave this to people who're actually experienced with the tool, but;
Do you own the game on steam?
Have you ran the steam depot patcher?
Did you make a typo when entering the commands?
heady ore
I do own it on steam.
I'm not sure what the steam depot patche is.
And i didn't make an error
grizzled maple
Which method or guide are you following?
A lot of public ones, namely videos, are outdated. Make sure to follow the one pinned here and on src.
heady ore
Uh the one off speedrun.com uh the set up i believe i think fireb0rn uploaded it
true hound
I think you have to run the executable patcher, did you do that?
grizzled maple
That might be it then unless he did a new video. That one is outdated. iirc what you said only happens when you try to do the old method
the guide pinned is by xero, try that
Downpatching is a nightmare these days
true hound
downpatching is a nightmare UNLESS you have gog
then you can support the devs more and its easy to downpatch
heady ore
I think i have it working for steam. I wish they included a patch feature built into it with all their games on steam but unfortunately not.
limpid ruin
They used to, that's how the steam downpatching tool works 
grizzled maple
yeah it used to be
- open steam console
- type the code for the patch you want
- profit
im considering going through the new process so i can help people in your situation when no one else is around. it just sucks :(
heady ore
well at least when its done you dont have to worry about doing it again unless your doing a different patch
Well thanks for the help you guys
heady ore
Alright another issue. so i finished the Depot download but when i launch it its still says current patch
limpid ruin
Steamappid text file?
grizzled maple
Reread over the Install section of the guide
heady ore
Oh we got it boys and girls Lets go
grizzled maple
normal aspen
dry sluice
beat my time
normal aspen
I kinda entered an All Skills tournament
I'll try after
(I'm also never gonna be able to beat it)
stiff delta
That is true
true hound
at times
stiff delta
While i personally recommend doing qga there is a route through deepnest you can take
true hound
i wonder whether it is worth it
limpid ruin
(it's not worth it as an absolute beginner. Don't start sprinting before you can even crawl)
But my main tips for qga; internalise the rhythm of it
true hound
it's getting easier which is good
i suppose i should have done deepnest in the beginning but now im motivated to learn it
limpid ruin
Dash, hop, dash, cdash. It's actually super scripted in timings, just that script is rather tight
true hound
wait i thought it was hop dash cdash?
normal aspen
i've always said unless your goal is to get a top 10 time as fast as possible with no consideration of enjoyment sub 40 is a good time to start dsoing qga
true hound
i have a consideration of enjoyment
stiff delta
Ive been learning how to play music for like 4 years so i try to count qga out as beats
true hound
i do that too
normal aspen
and start practicing the qg split + qga for 10-15 mins at the start of each practice session around when your pb is a 45 so its an easier transition
true hound
fuck mantis petras all my homies hate mantis petras
stiff delta
True
true hound
so i guess i should use the deepnest route until i reach 45
stiff delta
I mean at the end of the day it doesn’t really matter
Do what you want
I did qga to start because i thought it was cool and that was a bad decision but it is cool
true hound
im going deepnest, thanks for the advice!
i just feel im setting my goals too high to start out with
marble grail
hey sorry again with the downpatching so is this in the SteamDepotDownpatcher supposed to be here?
stiff delta
Neat
stray kestrel
on GOG there's certain versions to downpatch to in the launcher, is it possible to downpatch to 1.1.1.4 using any of the information on https://www.gogdb.org/product/1308320804/build/50390347158476280
1.1.1.8 is in the launcher but 1.1.1.4 isnt
versed elbow
I wouldn't say learn QGA immediately, but that's just me
limpid ruin
1.1.1.8 is in the launcher but 1.1.1.4 isnt
Hard to say. Might be worth asking customer support, even
stray kestrel
yea i already sent a thing but their site says that requests might take longer due to increased volumes or something, wondering if someone here has done those steps already
limpid ruin
stumbled upon something? 👀
https://www.gogdb.org/product/1308320804#builds
no clue how to use that tho. Kinda doubt 56's DepotDownload thingy works outside of steam, but some googling could maybe give something
stray kestrel
yea i found that i just have no idea how to download it from there
i found a nice page on gog forums about how to download old depots for steam games
limpid ruin
yea same 
strong summit
does the wk lever thing where you hit it from below(idk what its called) work on switch??
cuz ive tried and cant get it to
ok thank you
versed elbow
@strong summit You have to kill big husk boy
livid stirrup
I'm so sick of uumuu its not even funny
I can practice her all day long and she still ruins me in game
And the locking her in place on the platform doesn't work bc current patch
ember stratus
So eh how do you 112% steel soul in 1 hour?
verbal stag
you can't
viscid dust
Bruh i can barely skip green path to hornet by pogoing and people do speedruns in less than an hour
Im scared
ember stratus
Imma try it
viscid dust
Basically
When you first see hornet you go down a bit
Get the flying boys up there
And pogo off of one up to where hornet appears
Entering greenpath
It skips the entire part going under and then back up
ember stratus
That's too slow imma find another way
viscid dust
Oh dam theres faster?
ember stratus
I dunno imma try
ember stratus
Thx im gonna try it tomorrow cuz it's 4 am where i live 
Maybe skip hornet for later anyways bye
SHAW!
stiff delta
bruh
dull lion
Bruh indeed
versed elbow
The fastest way is spoiler alert ||Fireball Skipping||
stiff delta
Not if he finds a faster way
formal salmon
so getting void heart made me actually get good at platforming'
myt hands hurt
but it makes me want to learn TE when i get the hang of any% nmg
jaunty anvil
I JUST BEAT THK IN PRACCY FOR THE FIRST TIME (using any% nmg stuff :3 )
median gull
Not if he finds a faster way
hk ACE when
snow dome
I JUST BEAT THK IN PRACCY FOR THE FIRST TIME (using any% nmg stuff :3 )
Hype
I still find Watchers harder than THK
normal aspen
id say thk is harder on cp than wk ngl
snow dome
I like only run cp for any%, but everybody's got their strengths and weaknesses.
Fights with more than one enemy are mine. 👀
snow dome
I think fighting THK on two different patches is harder than just on cp.
That's my probably quite mild take
jaunty anvil
yeah i think
yeah im on CP
what r the different THKs like
also i think thk might b easier now for me like ive got it now yknow
prolly do it like 90% now
watchers is still like
normal aspen
1221 thk is a pushover
jaunty anvil
ahh i thought so
when i was watching fire's guide it felt that way
also the pillars do 2 masks on CP right ?
snow dome
Yes. Do they not in 1221?
jaunty anvil
idk
snow dome
I've never noticed if they don't
I run all skills on that patch, so I rarely have to deal with them
Just dive if it looks scary
pure vault
yea it’s on speedrun.com
jaunty anvil
thakyuuu
old bloom
new pr! :D
i’m sad i’m on switch so I can’t record it and post it :((( cant get the speedrunner role ;-;
dim glen
new pr! :D
nicee
old bloom
ty!
are you allowed to just record runs on your phone and post them that way?
cause that could work,,,
old bloom
ahh okie maybe i'll do that tomorrow! :3 thank you
it says the videos need to be ‘permanent’ can I just upload it to youtube?
small magnet
Yup
old bloom
cool, tysm everyone ^^
jaunty anvil
learning THK has fucked my watcher knight muscle mem
TwT
also with debug mod if u increase ur nail dmg using the mod when u restart the game does it reset
?
harsh mason
no
formal salmon
i finally beat the game so im gonna start practicing for any% NMG but how would i go about like learning the route?
like not just the boss fights but just in general the routing
note i missed this while reading the pins
meager current
There is guides for the routes on speedrun.com
formal salmon
yee i missed it in the pins when i was looking through
meager current
K
formal salmon
ok quick question
im using the speedrun like picture for the routes to get a quick glance
it says most of the routes start at the area pointed at below
is that because you do all that then menue quit back to that point?
meager current
Yes
formal salmon
ok ty
small magnet
Before I started running I used that map and followed along as I watched one of the more competent runs. Helped me a lot with visualizing it all
snow dome
I watched the series and then just followed this map. It was way easier than I expected, I'll be honest.
snow dome
also with debug mod if u increase ur nail dmg using the mod when u restart the g...
Just to be certain, you will want to have two separate installs of hollow knight, one modded and one not. If your game is modded (even if they're all disabled) your run will be invalid.
knotty vigil
what is the fastest route for gorb?
snow dome
From where in which category?
knotty vigil
imma trying to do gorb%
knotty vigil
i don't think you can skip walljump to get to howling cliffs
normal aspen
Need wings for tha
snow dome
What's the gp skip? I was thinking any% into just climbing up kings pass
snow dome
Low% to dream nail sounds rad
digital jewel
isn't dash + claw literally faster than just claw anyway
knotty vigil
i'm thinking about getting vs, then cloak, after that mantis claw. Then i do the skip for dream nail and i go back to greenpath.
normal aspen
Tru
knotty vigil
then ascend with gorb
normal aspen
So any% to dnail then gorb
snow dome
Yeah, back to Greenpath might be fastest
normal aspen
Prob rg stag to dirtmouth
knotty vigil
the run ends with gorb saying " Ascend! Ascend with Gorb!"
normal aspen
Coz u need to bench for shade skip
knotty vigil
yes
limpid ruin
Hm, doubt it kinda
snow dome
You go up into vengefly King room, then across and up into cliffs Vs through kings pass
limpid ruin
Backwards kp is pretty far
snow dome
Worth timing if you wanted to do it
normal aspen
Tri forgot we don't care about geo
digital jewel
getting gp stag by itself is a timesink though
knotty vigil
how much is the gp stag?
digital jewel
even if you have free geo
snow dome
Dirtmouth is essentially zero seconds
So adding on the extra like 15s to grab the staff too?
I feel like it's less than 15s
knotty vigil
imma trying to make a path
snow dome
You need the Geo from somewhere, though
knotty vigil
elder baldur
snow dome
And assuming it's like 150g
knotty vigil
how much geo does the gp stag cost?
snow dome
You should check
limpid ruin
Dirtmuth stag?
knotty vigil
Dirtmuth stag?
50 geo
snow dome
Dirtmouth is free
knotty vigil
oh sorry
normal aspen
dirtmouth is free>
snow dome
Crossroads is 50
normal aspen
gp is like 140
knotty vigil
i thought about crossroads
knotty vigil
well we need that stag just for coming back to greenpath
snow dome
Yeah, we're going from Resting Grounds, but if gp stag is an overall faster route to gorb it is likely worth trying
But if you need to grab Geo as well as unlock it on the way then it's probably not great
knotty vigil
i think 2 baldurs are enough geo
snow dome
I think that's like 100g so you need to scratch 40g together from random enemies
Which seems doable
limpid ruin
Having 100 geo after the two Baldurs is like no issue
knotty vigil
im gonna try in another save file to get a way
limpid ruin
- the moss Knight
knotty vigil
yeah right
limpid ruin
I think I have 130-140 by vk on AS/Any%
digital jewel
oh true
normal aspen
ill give it a shot with kp route for the meme
snow dome
I think you try this without any Geo 'grinding'
I love me a gorb.
Is there a gorb on the LiveSplit?
limpid ruin
Yea there should be
snow dome
Sweet
Can you talk to gorb to take the essence or do you have to dream nail?
We should make the rule that you have to talk to gorb for the challenge and to take the essence if that's possible 👀
limpid ruin
You have to talk with the first level dnail I believe
But the split is just for killing gorb rather than absorbing gorb?
digital jewel
yeah the split is on kill
normal aspen
talk to start fight then kill,m time ends on the autosplit?
snow dome
Boo
knotty vigil
ok i did it
managed to pull off a 23:37 and i kinda feel like that's bad. But i'm no speedrunner, so i'm quite happy with my record
normal aspen
I'll do one in about an hour to compare
thorn jasper
talk to start fight then kill,m time ends on the autosplit?
unless my memory is wildly broken, you should be able to dream nail to start the fight
jagged vault
Slaurent is correct
thorn jasper
I'm curious about this forum question now. Sounds like they got two flames for the price of one? https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/thread/zvt3b
vast burrow
this used to be a glitch on the first grimm troupe patch as well
or rather a variant of it, if you died while collecting a flame it didn't collect so you could fight it again
steady lynx
Wait wut
limpid ruin
so you would get 2 flames from one?
vast burrow
no, you would be able to fight them again
steady lynx
Unless that's faster than the KP Grimmkin I don't see much of any point, unless maybe doing GP twice and going back to early Storeroom fragment
vast burrow
well im trying it rn on current patch with the storerooms novice
and im not getting it
steady lynx
Might be like frame perfect
vast burrow
doubt it
limpid ruin
Im super confused about what the glitch you mentioned is, savy. It just sounds like the same as leaving before actually collecting the flame?
and getting one at death + the grimmkin not being flagged just sounds like a regular race condition ngl
vast burrow
Im super confused about what the glitch you mentioned is, savy. It just sounds l...
kill the flame and then instantly die, you get a flame on grimmchild, but the flame is still alive
steady lynx
What category?
meager current
Any % nmg cp
I downpatched yesterday after I finished the run :/
I'll start running 1.2.2.1 some time
steady lynx
Fast mods
hearty adder
Now you have access to the greatest perk of the speedrunner role: ducks
elder kindle
I kinda wonder, whats the most difficult boss for speedrunners?
digital jewel
gruz mother
haughty fossil
i know false knight is the hardest boss for randomizer racers
steady lynx
Vengefly King
limpid ruin
Jumping up seemingly simple platforms, but unironically
hallow orchid
VK unironically top 5 hardest in p5
steady lynx
I really wish I was joking
haughty fossil
(serious answer: it depends on the category, as different categories fight bosses with varying levels of equipment. For example, in 1221 any% the hardest boss is likely Watcher Knights, whereas in all skills it would be Hornet 2, as watcher knights are much easier with descending dark)
but in 4 mask shards, yes gruz mother
steady lynx
Even in 112 I'd say the hardest boss is Hornet 2
haughty fossil
(also any% doesn't even kill hornet 2 
)
hallow orchid
Yeah hornet 2 is up there for 112. I'd vote failed champ personally, and absrad of course
haughty fossil
doesn't failed champ melt to shade soul triples though? or is that not as op in pantheons
steady lynx
Failed Champ isn't too bad with Twister
hallow orchid
Failed champ first phase is still harder than nearly every other boss though
limpid ruin
VK is surprisingly tough to kill quickly, uumuu can be super challenging when you get bad patterns, hornet 1 can mess you up when she just acts up and does rare stuff
Failed Champ p1 is definitely very hard
steady lynx
I've started going for the early DDark on Champ since it's free and safe
limpid ruin
There is genuinely zero about fc that can be considered free
hallow orchid
Yeah I do that too Gusten, it helps quite a lot
steady lynx
It's just sometimes falling rocks decide that you don't need triple hits
limpid ruin
Like it's way too easy to mess up just slightly and now you missed a full ddark basically and you have to hit it with a wet noodle for a minute
steady lynx
I honestly fail on Lost Kin more when I get overconfident
elder kindle
That moment when people say that watcher knights are hard and you stuck on hornet 
ember gust
I want to start hk speedrunning how do I downpatch the game?
limpid ruin
Oh yea lost kin can be tough as well. Honestly even broken vessel can be tough bc of the bad hitboxes
elder kindle
I want to start hk speedrunning how do I downpatch the game?
You find the instructions in speedrun.com hollow knight forums how i remember
steady lynx
At least Broken Vessel is a few spells and then DDark spam during the headbang phase
Just that the infection bubbles have ass hitboxes
hearty adder
I want to start hk speedrunning how do I downpatch the game?
There's a guide linked on the pins that's up to date
limpid ruin
Yea, unless you mess up your soul gathering and the mawlurk climb now you're juggling between infection blobs at 1hp during head bang 
hallow orchid
Harder Lost Kin is mostly only hard if you take 3 hits to mawlurks on the way in
steady lynx
I usually get there with at least 3 masks so it's pretty easy
Also like saving a bit of soul for Lost Kin for an early fireball
limpid ruin
But yea, point being: literally any boss can be the most challenging when you're trying to go fast
steady lynx
Nosk is surprisingly hard to do fast with his RNG
limpid ruin
(just to answer the questions way up now 
)
Honestly any tanky boss is challenging imo, and that's in 106% with flukes. Like I know they should die quick, but then they don't bc I don't know the fight
That's a real problem with high dps fights. They should go so fast that you don't really learn if it goes off script
elder kindle
Does the debug mod have a practice dummy or something to practise pogoing?
limpid ruin
Practicing pogoing can be done on tons of things; enemies, spikes, mushrooms in fungal wastes, anything that let's you pogo pretty much
You can turn on inf hp and just pogo across a spike pit for example if its to just get the muscle memory and test limits
hearty adder
The spikes on King's Pass on the way to Fury would probably be a good place to practice the pogo timing
elder kindle
Ill try there, ty
versed elbow
That moment when people say that watcher knights are hard and you stuck on horne...
I know a guy who died to Gruz Mother twice, but first tried WKs
Shit's weird is all I'm saying.
normal aspen
Then you get people who chain die to flukemarm
haughty fossil
chain due
queen vessel
is this possible to triple hit on the last patch + if it possible someone can explain me how it;s worth ?
formal bough
triple hit what?
queen vessel
Failed champion
digital jewel
yes it's possible
when he's in the middle of the room doing his smash from side to side
stand a little bit away from the wall on one side and fire shade soul when he slams the ground in your direction
jagged vault
it's worth it because you hit him 3 times with one fireball
which makes you do 120 damage with one cast of soul
queen vessel
is this possible to triple hit any time he smash in direction of me ?
jagged vault
instead of 40
digital jewel
if you mess up the timing you'll still double hit him
jagged vault
no
digital jewel
yes
jagged vault
you can double hit outside of the rage phase in the middle
queen vessel
ok ty all
jagged vault
but not triple
digital jewel
during the normal part of the fight hitting him when he swings towards you will only double hit
queen vessel
if i start the fight with full soul . is better to hit them ( double hit ) when he smash ?
ok ty all that wil make that fight way more easy
jagged vault
i'd recommend you watch how other people do the fight for inspiriation
queen vessel
i am falowing that guide atm https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/7pjbp
versed elbow
Wait... You can die to Flukemarm?
queen vessel
except i am going to upgrade my nail to make it more easy
atm i pratice the memory of the map
digital jewel
you really don't want to upgrade your nail early in 112%
it increases the health that warrior graves and grimmkin have
versed elbow
I mean tbf in my first practice run I bitched out and upgraded my nail in Any% NMG
digital jewel
spells do way more damage than nail anyway
versed elbow
Got extra geo and upgraded it.
digital jewel
yep it's viable in any% but not 112%
versed elbow
I forgot where I got the extra Geo... I think I killed False Knight
And took the chest.
versed elbow
Yea trust me. Was not a good split.
digital jewel
there's one above mantis claw
versed elbow
Pretty much guaranteed gold in the run I'mma do today.
elder kindle
Hmmmm, what the point of fighting the false knight and then escaping after the 8th mace hit to the ground?
In any%
versed elbow
It was just timesave for next run am I right?
dry sluice
its faster than doing the full fight
digital jewel
you need to go through that room to get vengeful spirit
versed elbow
Yea. Vengeful Spirit isn't optional.
hallow orchid
Well, it is optional but quite a bit slower to skip (order of an hour, probably)
elder kindle
Is it just me or is it harder to do the fireball skips on pc than on console?
digital jewel
just you
console has to deal with low framerate and vsync
everything should be easier on pc
elder kindle
Hmmm, i asked the question wrong
What i meant is: is it just me or is it harder to do the fireball skip with a keyboard than with a controller?
digital jewel
oh you might find that yeah
versed elbow
Well, it _is_ optional but quite a bit slower to skip (order of an hour, probabl...
Low%?
neon island
Nah, because if you skip vs, you have to grab a charm to kill the baldur
Which is a %
So it is just obviously faster to start with vs in the first place
digital jewel
it's even worse
you can't get mantis claw without either dash or vs
so if you skip vs you need dash + hornet as well
hallow orchid
yeah vs saves you a couple %. It's one of the main tools of low% actually
digital jewel
and gruz mother too even
versed elbow
Ah
I haven't looked into Low% at all. I just saw skurry make a video with the title "Low% was a mistake"
I think it was Skurry
sacred arrow
if i got a better run and submit this run my old run that could get on the page does it getting overwriten
?
jagged vault
do you mean if you have two runs waiting for verification?
jagged vault
no, each run is a separate entry, but your fastest one shows up on the boards once verified
sacred arrow
okay thank you
jagged vault
if you submit a faster one, the mods verify the slower one automatically along with the new one
speedrun keeps track of your pb history
so you can look back and see how much you've improved
it's pretty neat 😄
sacred arrow
nice okay thanks
elder kindle
Does speedrun.com show the worst time in the world?
ember gust
I downpatched my game but when I open the "downpatched" game it opens the current version
sacred arrow
atm it is 4hours and some minuites i guess
ember gust
I downpatched my game but when I open the "downpatched" game it opens the curren...
what to do?
jagged vault
potiryan did you follow the steamappid.txt part
ember gust
no
jagged vault
make sure you do that
ember gust
how
sacred arrow
is it bad if i talk with my mom on the telefon in the speed run because she called me and now there is the whole talk xD
formal bough
no, streamers also talk to chat
jagged vault
you also don't need to record your voice if you don't want
ember gust
I did the steam_appid part and still doesn't work
jagged vault
you only need the game audio
but it's up to you if you wanna make that conversation public or not
jagged vault
because it will be effectively public
snow dome
I did the steam_appid part and still doesn't work
Can you screenshot the folder with it in
ember gust
Can you screenshot the folder with it in
nvm I fixed it
versed elbow
Yanno. It's a really beginner level skip, but I feel really good when I first try shade skip
limpid ruin
Same
jagged vault
hey, don't compare yourself to others too much! everyone's achievments are worth celebrating, regardless of how fast or optimised 
versed elbow
The only reason I say that is I compare it to the difficulty level of learning Fish Clip in Mario Odyssey. I can post the skip in #sr-offtopic if you want. Obviously it still feels good hitting it first try
worthy sluice
Any tips for thk????
haughty fossil
twin swallow
1221 thk: practice
1432 thk: practice, cry, practice some more
deft flame
my first run got approved
worthy sluice
1221 thk: practice
1432 thk: practice, cry, practice some more
Well im on cp so
Guess ill cry
twin swallow
versed elbow
Wait... What's the difference between 1.2.2.1 and 1.4.3.2
twin swallow
he's faster on current patch and flame pillars do 2 masks of damage
worthy sluice
Yeah the three swings always hits me unless i predict he is going to do it
Windup is super short
twin swallow
tripleslash is omega painful on cp
haughty fossil
my general approach is to preemptively jump before every attack even starts, their attacks come in a fairly consistent rhythm
until fsm decides that THK will now stand still for 5 seconds 🥴
deft flame
i just pogo parry the three slash attack
worthy sluice
Well im not that good
deft flame
its easier than it sounds
limpid ruin
That's why practice
deft flame
but you'll need a lot of practice in that fight regardless
twin swallow
THK is very punishable with pogos in general
at least in the early stages of the fight
limpid ruin
Pogo fountain 😳
worthy sluice
Ill try, also is it still possible to get the fireballs when he dashes on CP cuz i cant get them
twin swallow
yes
deft flame
Ill try, also is it still possible to get the fireballs when he dashes on CP cuz...
yes
haughty fossil
yes
deft flame
i find it hard to get them too, but i do get them sometimes
haughty fossil
the timing is different, and it's initially very hard to get them
twin swallow
his head hitbox is significantly lower when dashing
you can be quite a bit lower down than you think compared to the rest of the fight where his head is gigantic
deft flame
@worthy sluice you might wanna watch the thk fights for the top 2 or 3 current patch runs on the leaderboards
worthy sluice
Aight
twin swallow
parry knight :D
worthy sluice
Then he did the flame pillar then a 4th parry
deft flame
yeah sometimes he just does one attack so many times in a row
deft flame
THEY MAKE IT LOOK SO EASY
they do haha
but its good cause now you know what is possible to do and the best punishes
now try to find the ones that are easier and you think you might be able to do with practice
worthy sluice
Yall know the attack where he shoots drops of blight in an arc
He did that in a corner 2 times
Meanie
: (
deft flame
when he does that i just jump and dash in as if i was going to go to the other side of him as usual
but then i just pogo him until the attack ends
not sure if that is the fastest strat
but at least i dont get hit and do damage
worthy sluice
Thats what i tried to do, however i was in the middle of the arena trying to lure him over but he wanted the corner
deft flame
yeah i dont really know how to properly manipulate his position
worthy sluice
Neither do i
deft flame
i tend to just focus on not getting hit and doing the most damage i can
usually he'll just teleport away from the wall or something on his own
btw how do i get the speedrunner role?
celest condor
there should be a sly% speedrun. time ends when you get to sly
celest condor
no normal sly
slim ivy
Save bretta speedrun any%
worthy sluice
4 parries in a row
Im going for wr on parries in a row
I think if i grind ill be able to get 9
I hate how he does that stupid backdasb into the blight drops
versed elbow
Is this where I say I got 7 in a row in my 4th or 5th time fighting him?
worthy sluice
What a god
Ggez
No problems
Hollow knight ez boss
Lol only took me like 10 hours how trash
: P
I got a lucky fight, imma go back and practice more after but i beat him
elder kindle
I think its gonna be a pain but im too stubborn to drop it
I'm learning to speedrun this game on 1.4.4.1 how i remember
worthy sluice
Hey, i just finished my first “run”
meager current
whats the time
meager current
ah
worthy sluice
I probably could do it again in under 5 if i had the time
hearty adder
Make sure to check strat videos and take it easy
first and foremost it's important to do it consistently, speed will come with time and experience
worthy sluice
Yeah, thats what ive been quoting this entire time
hearty adder
if you get too vent on your failures you'll take longer to progress
worthy sluice
Well my first “run” was mainly me running the route
I wasnt going for speed
Before last monday i couldnt have made it to city if tears in under an hour and a half, now i can make it there in about thirty minutes
hearty adder
That's really nice
worthy sluice
I think ive come a far bit
hearty adder
but i've seen how frustrated you've gotten with the bosses before, if you get too fixated on how each attempt isn't as good as you want it to be you'll end up building up frustration
which will make practice even harder
meager current
imma real quick check my splits
maybe add the dreamnail split that i forgot to add
:/
hearty adder
That'd be a good idea if you wanna time that
worthy sluice
Speaking if which, i have a terrible setup, its a phone and an xbox any way i can put splits on my phone?
hearty adder
I'll wait until someone who does console runs sees this, but potentially you could hook up your phone camera to OBS and capture the camera recording and the timer at once
raven idol
hey, kinda new here - entirely different topic: I downpatched to 1.2.2.1 for training NMG but the downpatched version does not recognize my controller inputs even though i made a steam-profile for it (i followed veruleans guide for downpatching and added it as a non-steam game to the library)
worthy sluice
Isnt like 56 the “guy” to talk to for downpatching and such
snow dome
Splits work by using the game itself, so you won't have any autosplitting at all on console
worthy sluice
I figured
hearty adder
hey, kinda new here - entirely different topic: I downpatched to 1.2.2.1 for tra...
what controller is it?
raven idol
switch pro controller
worthy sluice
However it would be a good way to keep track of my progress tamijo
hearty adder
there's a program that lets you map controller inputs to keyboard presses but i don't remember the name
snow dome
I think you're better off analysing the videos after the fact and manually splitting with autosplitter while watching it
hearty adder
However it would be a good way to keep track of my progress tamijo
you could split manually if you really want to
meager current
joy2key i think
raven idol
there's a program that lets you map controller inputs to keyboard presses but i ...
works in all steam-native games just fine , hence me being confused that it doesnt in the downpatched versions seeing how could configure a profile in the steam settings for it
meager current
switch pro just doesnt work with some older versions for some reason
raven idol
joy2key i think
i've read that it has some input lag as it emulates a keyboard? but i will give it a shot if nothing else works lol
hearty adder
it just wasn't implemented yet
a lot of people use it for their speedruns
so if you have any issues with it i'm sure they'll help, but so far i haven't seen people reporting issues on HK
raven idol
ill give it a shot then 😄
hearty adder
but then again, i play with the 360 controller 
if anyone uses joy2key with their pro controller and has issues they can come and tell me i'm wrong lol
raven idol
my 360 controller might have died a terrible death when i first got to the watcher knights lol
hearty adder
watcher knights so hard they destroy your controller 
raven idol
especially when you accidentally have such a weird route on your first playthrough that you arrive there with almost no upgrades.... i was not a smart person then
worthy sluice
watcher knights so hard they destroy your controller <:beesive:60284465844348519...
Watcher knights are so hard they destroy your wellbeing
hearty adder
especially when you accidentally have such a weird route on your first playthrou...
well, if it makes you feel better, any% arrives with almost no upgrades too 
meager current
you only get mandatory stuff and shamans in the route so yes you definitely have almost no upgrades
livid stirrup
Okay I'm having a lot of trouble with mantis pogo. The dude who's supposed to be just under the ledge (the first half of the pogo) keeps getting inside the lever room and messing things up. Am I straight up just going too slow? Anyone else have and solve this issue/have tips?
haughty fossil
you're probably going too slow, the mantis will get inside if you hit the lever too far left
livid stirrup
Okay cool, I'll try to not get so far left when I hit the lever
AH that was definitely it
Still don't have it down but I was going way too far left
Thank
raven idol
well, if it makes you feel better, any% arrives with almost no upgrades too <:go...
yeah, i know - I got a little better at the game since then 😛
old bloom
do I need to have a timer visible for recording or is that optional
limpid ruin
its optimal, and if you run on windows with load-removal+autosplitter youll need it visible or else itll be timed by real-time
ember gust
I need help downloading debug mod to a downpatched version of hollow knight
limpid ruin
what exactly is the problem, ryan?
old bloom
its optimal, and if you run on windows with load-removal+autosplitter youll need...
i’m recording my switch on tv mode with a phone camera 😅
ember gust
everything cause I downloaded the debug mod but idk what to do to make it work
old bloom
so i’m not too worried about time difference I just wanna know if it’ll be valid without a timer
limpid ruin
ah then no timer is needed to be visible, blaze :3
old bloom
ty!!
ember gust
everything cause I downloaded the debug mod but idk what to do to make it work
ahmmm i need help
limpid ruin
everything cause I downloaded the debug mod but idk what to do to make it work
this guide (for specifically 1.2.2.1) in the pins was really nice when i started out. Otherwise the most "up-to-date" debug version for 1.2.2.1 is in #resources
limpid ruin
ahmmm i need help
also use this version of the modding-api, as it fixes the mouse behaviour to match the unmodded game (also from #resources, i just forgot about it 🥴)
#resources message
old bloom
@limpid ruin I can just upload the video to youtube for the evidence when i’m done right
limpid ruin
yee blaze, thats fine
burnt grove
would it be hard for someone with the source code handy to figure out the rule for when a moss knight jumps backward? I keep jumping at his face, but he doesn't always back off
rigid pulsar
Guys for poh galien i found a fast unreliable way that doesnt use soul
Could be used as a strat if you wanna keep soul for the future
Just up nail him without jumping as he tends to stay low
stiff delta
i mean thats kinda slow and getting soul isnt too difficult, but its not a bad idea
rigid pulsar
It isnt really slow with a nail build
Qslash, mop and strenght
With that strat he died in seconds
It's just unreliable
(Wait is zote after galien?)
stiff delta
zotes like right near the end of P5 iirc
rigid pulsar
Oh k
(I didnt even reach p5 yet)
I'm.on p3 and zote is after galien but ig the order is changed in l5
stiff delta
cause hes cleaning up the competition
rigid pulsar
I mean if you arent going for wr then it can be used
rigid pulsar
Then jsut cut out strenght for mop
Since you arent using your nail for dmg
But for soul collection
I wasnt even talking about wr strats here
worthy sluice
First single seg time
Honestly really proud even tho the time sucks
Im streaming it
It wont be verified however i had a friend watching the entire stream
limpid ruin
Yo gg on sub 2h first attempt
worthy sluice
Much appreciated!!!
worthy sluice
First single seg time
Also one more thing, i didnt do qga, and i also, right before watcher knights went to the nailsmith to upgrade my nail since i suck at watchers it took me 4 attempts to best watchers and 2 attempts to beat THK i also died in fungal wastes and one more time, i cant quite recall where it might have been at first acid skip, add in un neccisary hits and bad movement, and you get that time
dense sluice
finally finished any% in one sitting and uploaded to speedrun.com woo! next stop world record in all catgories 🐸
hearty adder
Congrats! After it gets verified don't forget to share it here if you want the speedrunner role
dense sluice
yes definitely will!
quick meteor
versed elbow
Side question. This run is dead as fuck, but I went to grab dinner. I paused the game. Does the ingamer timer keep ticking?
Or can I use this for a few Speedrun achievement?
grizzled maple
igt moves during inv but not pause
versed elbow
So as long as I'm on
Continue
Options
Quit
I'm good?
grizzled maple
should be unless i'm misremembering
versed elbow
Sweet. Free achievements
deft flame
got a sub 50 lets gooo
versed elbow
The run I just killed because food I got to WK in about 35 mins.
First full practice run.
Console
inner meteor
Hello! I'm pretty new to Hollow Knight speedrunning and there's a trick I see constantly but have no clue how to do it. How do you do menu falling? I'm not even sure if that's actually what it's called, but you probably know what I mean.
granite field
Hello! I'm pretty new to Hollow Knight speedrunning and there's a trick I see co...
First you need to play on 1.2.2.1 version (or maybe others but this one is used for runs) and you just open the menu while in the air
If I remember correctly this is also possible on current patch but a bit harder and not possible on every places (basically, you can inventory drop right after walking off ledge's plateforms with a good timing)
inner meteor
Thank you!
granite field
I don't know how to explain for current patch lol
no problem
oh yeah doveless explains better
haughty fossil
you open inventory on the same physics frame (50fps) as you leave a ledge, so you're off the ledge when the inventory is open
and wow i should read
wanton tulip
crikey 5th completed run
old bloom
ok i just finished and im recording on my phone, since i dont have a timer do i submit the time on the end screen?
verbal stag
old bloom
so i should put the length of the recording then?
cause the recording was like 2 hours 4 mins and the in game time is 2 hours 52 seconds
verbal stag
the in game timer in inaccurate
grizzled maple
If you don't have the loadless timer the timing is from file select or file type select if they are unlocked and ends on the first black frame after the fade out of the end.
Same as console
old bloom
thts what i did just now^
grizzled maple
If you are doing a run that requires a certain % you need to show that screen at the end of credits. for any other run youre good when timing ends. dont forget the title screen is required at the beginning of runs.
old bloom
but i dont have a timer- so should i just like count how long the recording was from file select to black screen?
grizzled maple
If you're timing real time, also called rta, you would use the timing method i said above
Every ending has a black fade out.
wanton tulip
also emray your streams are literally the reason i run this game lmao
old bloom
i think yes then? my only "timer" is the recording on my phone telling me how long it was
wanton tulip
hell yeah
limpid ruin
you should "just" take the timestamp of the first frame of black at the end and when you selected file/difficulty (steel soul/normal/etc), and then just the time between those two points
grizzled maple
What cerpin said is what the mods will do when they review the run. You aren't technically required to have a timer on screen.
old bloom
also just curious question, why dont we just use the time on the end screen?
old bloom
ahh ok fair enough XD
granite field
wow lol
wanton tulip
lmao
old bloom
okie so my run was 2 hours 3 minutes flat
grizzled maple
its horribly inaccurate lol
old bloom
ok now to upload a 2 hour video to youtube 😓
twin swallow
Channel that energy to go even faster
old bloom
also its kinda annoying cause i died several times but it does give me hope that my path can be sub 2 hours as long as i 
granite field
ah, good luck with that. personally It should take me like 20 hours to upload a 2 hours video
worthy sluice
Shaded, if your here whats ur best time
Oi your an odyssey runner!!!! I was checking out your speedrun.com account beating that game in 1:08 is SUPER impressive