speedrunning

[livid stirrup]

The worst part of running without a timer is waiting for the credits to end

[worthy sluice]

I got my ass kicked by watcher knights for a loooong time

Well the game timer is unaccurate

[livid stirrup]

Dude I just finished a run where my game started glitching during watcher knights and they took me three tries

[worthy sluice]

They take me 3 tries because i suck

[livid stirrup]

Gosh darnit I missed my pb by 38 seconds

I blame the watcher knights

Also I have a macbook that doesn't like to multi-task, so not only can I not use livesplit but the other timers I've tried slow my game down :)

I need a PC so badly

[verbal junco]

thats a rip

[sacred arrow]

are there any time split saves for the phanteons

or phanteon 1

because mine dont work

[vast stratus]

I managed to beat false knight 7:32.51 (i didnt pause the time when it was loading) is that any good?

[versed elbow]

I'm so bad against the Watcher Knights

They're gonna kill any run I do lol

[sacred arrow]

does any one here have a live split of phanteon 1

[worthy sluice]

I dont know i know that like 1Ɛ minutes is a really good time for hornet

[snow dome]

Do you have a set of splits and it's not working?

[grizzled maple]

for pantheons make sure you're setting the autosplitter to (pantheon) bosses and that ordered splits is on

[sacred arrow]

i did one by my self but i dont work

[grizzled maple]

ordered splits is required for anything involving panths

[snow dome]

Emray's solution should work for you then

[grizzled maple]

yes go to settings there

show us that

[grizzled maple]

That should work then

what specifically isnt working?

[sacred arrow]

but it dont auto split after killing one of these posses

bosses

[grizzled maple]

did you open livesplit before the game?

try saving and closing and reopening

[sacred arrow]

okay

[grizzled maple]

you need to open livesplit once the game is fully loaded or it wont connect

[sacred arrow]

because the green countdown starts but after killing vengefly king its not stopping and dont add the time to the right

[grizzled maple]

are you comparing to game time and not real time?

[sacred arrow]

game time yes

[grizzled maple]

if you have/did everything i've mentioned then i don't know why it wouldn't work.

[sacred arrow]

so i try it now and watch and hope it works now

[grizzled maple]

honestly i thought pantheons didnt auto start. you have to manually start, but the splits and end are automatic. but maybe they changed that.

[snow dome]

Fwiw you also want "end triggering last split" ticked, but that won't be your problem here

[past cipher]

Hey guys I'm curious about starting speedrunning Hollow Knight but idk if I should downgrade or not

It's probably better because you can do the blue lake skip and inventory drop right

[steady lynx]

Blue lake early is in current patch

[snow dome]

Blue lake shade skip isn't patch specific

[grizzled maple]

we have current patch categories for both of the beginner categories so youre by no means expected to downpatch

[snow dome]

I started on current patch and when I was comfy did a down patch

[past cipher]

Ah ok

[grizzled maple]

all skills is great if you like boss fights and want a slightly easier run, but the trade off is that its longer. any% is much much harder, but has a few beginner options and is shorter.

[past cipher]

Yeah I'll try it current patch

[leaden python]

same, I basically learned all the things on current patch and only downpatched when I felt like it

[snow dome]

If you don't mind down patching I would really recommend all skills

[past cipher]

All Skills sounds more complicated so I'm probably going to start any%

it takes longer too right

[grizzled maple]

see a lot of people think that then they get mopped by every step and quit lol

any% is honestly really hard.

[steady lynx]

Trust me, All Skills is way easier than any%

[sacred arrow]

it worked yay

[past cipher]

I've done any% for the achievement but it was a 4 hour time xD

so uh

I'd need to refine my run

[grizzled maple]

like if you have an extra half hour, all skills is worth it

[past cipher]

ok I'll try all skills then

Is there like some kind of guide to routing or do I just make my own route

[sacred arrow]

@grizzled maple what are so cool challanges for the phanteons i mean is a full charm run cool ? about to look wich time i have ?

[leaden python]

It basically comes down to your preference at the end of the day. If you're into hard boss battles, then any% is your jam. If you're more into harder movement, then all skills is the way to go

[past cipher]

I love hard boss battles

[steady lynx]

cp AS gets the slightly easier Isma's acid skip too

[grizzled maple]

i have a ton of resources and guides for all skills and pisces has a good starting guide as well

[past cipher]

o cool

[snow dome]

All Skills has:
~ Hornet 2
~ Isma's skip
~ Dark Deepnest

Any% has:
~ QGA
~ Every boss fight is hard

[grizzled maple]

sorry paul, i dont know too much about challenge runs. I only run main categories

[past cipher]

I can do the Isma's skip

[sacred arrow]

ah okay

[past cipher]

idk about Dark Deepnest

[leaden python]

both all skills and any% have great and in-depth video guides, so you'll good to go regardless of your choice

[worthy sluice]

Acid skip with Isma's is easy

[past cipher]

never tried though

ok

[rotund jackal]

Dark deepnest is much easier to learn than it looks imo

[grizzled maple]

i have a video guide on it lemme get it

[steady lynx]

Dark Deepnest is just two rooms and one is two dashes and a cdash

[past cipher]

I mean like I can go through the whole game without a map or anything so like I won't get lost

[rotund jackal]

Now isma's skips are the real hard part

[grizzled maple]

https://youtu.be/QJcq674d0v8

[snow dome]

I mean specifically the skip to Isma's

[past cipher]

o pog ok

[grizzled maple]

just go through with debug and lantern to learn the movement then you can start messing with it in the dark

[past cipher]

oh the skip to ismas?

[snow dome]

Spike tunnel into that second acid skip is pretty hardcore

[steady lynx]

I feel like the real hard thing in All Skills is Hornet 2, other than that it's nice

[rotund jackal]

Yeah she's a bully too

[snow dome]

I started by getting wings first which makes it easy easier, and only loses like 30s total?

[grizzled maple]

heres the isma skip in depth guide
https://youtu.be/wMYnCoUVCSo

[past cipher]

Is there like a general guide to routing

that's my main concern

[steady lynx]

Yeah, it should be in pins in #all-skills

[haughty fossil]

pins

[snow dome]

Yeah, you can find it all in the pins

[past cipher]

Oh ok cool

[vast stratus]

I managed to beat false knight 7:32.51 (i didnt pause the time when it was loading) is that any good?

[grizzled maple]

i recommend watching a run beside reading the guide so you can connect all the dots

[past cipher]

I think if I practice enough I can figure out and pull off the hard parts as long as I have a guide

[snow dome]

Once you've checked it out, I then watched a wr run to see what it all looks like in context

[past cipher]

yeah that's probably a good idea

[grizzled maple]

you're on pc correct?

[past cipher]

yeah

[snow dome]

I also recommend posting the same advice seconds after everybody else has. 👀

Seems to be working well for me

[past cipher]

I need to find a run specifically for newest patch right

or I could just downgrade if that's easier

[snow dome]

Yes, the all skills route is a bit different between patches

[grizzled maple]

in #modding-discussion iirc you can download the modinstaller and install debug mod. before you do that go into
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\hollow_knight_Data\Managed
and rename the assembly driver with a small change so it wont be overwritten.

[snow dome]

But I also think the category is way more fun on 1221 Vs current patch

I've never actually run it on cp

[past cipher]

I'll downgrade then

[grizzled maple]

debug mod is super important to learning and practicing this game

[past cipher]

alright I'll try to install debug mod

[grizzled maple]

well if youre downpatching youll need a different debug mod

[past cipher]

wait really

[steady lynx]

Fireb0rn has a guide on the debug stuff I believe

[grizzled maple]

you can switch between the two assembly drivers (modded and unmodded) by renaming them, whichever is correctly named will be the one active. mods are not allowed for real runs

and yes each patch needs its own debug

[past cipher]

do I have to like go through a huge process to get rid of the debug thing to do runs

[grizzled maple]

no its a simple rename

[past cipher]

ok

[grizzled maple]

this is mine, i use Y for when its on and N for when its off

so the N one is the modded driver if that makes sense

[past cipher]

I found that but there are only two Assembly things

I'll go through the guide on speedrun.com for downpatching

[grizzled maple]

yeah you wont have another one until you put one in

[past cipher]

and brb as soon as I'm done

[grizzled maple]

it takes a while just as a heads up, but gl

[past cipher]

oh really

wait what is GoG

[grizzled maple]

yes you have to download the whole game again

[past cipher]

oh

[grizzled maple]

GoG is another platform like steam

[past cipher]

Ah

ok

I put the command into steam

it says it's downloading the depot

[cinder bison]

is there somewhere i can see the community golds for any% cp?

like is that documented somewhere

[past cipher]

I think speedrun.com

[grizzled maple]

if its not pinned in #any-percent-nmg then no

i'm not sure if they track the cp category yet

[steady lynx]

Just check Kanra's SoB, that's probably comsob as well

[cinder bison]

oh, i see its on the same sheet as 1221 thank you!

Yeah I was using kanra’s lol

[steady lynx]

Okay, there are four splits where Kanra doesn't have Comsob on cp

[median gull]

ehh

[cinder bison]

smh

[median gull]

it is pinned in #any-percent-nmg

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11LPxgQur-x6ioPrvMVUrdKSkGRDT07R1_Lqs55bxrRs/edit?usp=sharing

[agile sky]

anyone know the most user friendly guide to reverting to version 1.2.2.1? I haven't ran in a while and the old way of reverting doesn't seem to work... or is there a better version to run now? Sorry for all the questions

[median gull]

just go down

and click current patch

[grizzled maple]

pinned here and on speedrun.com

[cinder bison]

thank you

[grizzled maple]

the most updated guide is by xero. most video guides are outdated since a major change happened literally last month

[past cipher]

Is there any significant difference between 1.2.2.1 and current patch besides addition of godmaster

[grizzled maple]

theres a lot

[agile sky]

whats the most common patch to run these days?

[grizzled maple]

entire rooms changed, some enemies positions changed. some bosses have different hp values. they nerfed ddark, and removed a TON of speed tech

[past cipher]

Does that mean I have to rememorize the map

[grizzled maple]

which includes lever skips, so like... youre interested in all skills? i recommend watching the runs and seeing which you like more because those specific routes are dramatically different. 1221 all skills uses more lever skips than any other category.

[verbal stag]

the map is the same

[grizzled maple]

you can have both patches installed though so theres no commitment

the map is mostly the same, just they chopped up some rooms to make things easier on the switch because it is potato

[past cipher]

ah ok

[grizzled maple]

if youre used to cp, 1221 will feel really weird.

like the spire is all one room lol

[past cipher]

yeah

[agile sky]

Pardon my ignorance... Is xero's guide on youtube? or is it a website

[past cipher]

I've only played cp

[grizzled maple]

theres also a lot more jank on 1221. the game wasnt optimized then and its much laggier and tends to eat a few more inputs

but the speed tech you have access to kinda makes up for how potato the patch is

its a give and take you know?

[past cipher]

yeah that makes sense

[verbal stag]

it's on speedrun.com

[grizzled maple]

i said its pinned here

[verbal stag]

the link is in pinned messages here

[agile sky]

Sorry! I appreciate the help

Wow I totally skipped over those pins. My b

[grizzled maple]

it's alright, common question

[past cipher]

Wait in the pins it says that saves aren't corrupted when downpatching but it says they do on speedrun.com does that just mean they only corrupt on boot

[verbal stag]

cp saves corrupt when you open them on an older patch

[haughty fossil]

they only do weird stuff if you launch them on the dorwnpawtasc

ye

[past cipher]

alright that makes sense

[grizzled maple]

do you know where your saves are? you can back up anything you dont want to lose

[past cipher]

I'd imagine the game would be like "wtf how do you have 112% there isn't that much content"

[haughty fossil]

if you really want to you can always back them up

?saves

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[grizzled maple]

slow bot

[past cipher]

yeah I'll probably do that

[vast stratus]

I managed to beat false knight in 7:32.51 (i didnt pause the time when it was loading) is that any good?

[thorn jasper]

The more important question is: how do you feel about that time? Are you proud of it? Do you want to improve?

about the loading time, the autosplitter/load remover can do that automatically. switch the comparison thing from Real Time to Game Time

[past cipher]

got it thanks guys

[grizzled maple]

nice gg

[vast stratus]

I’m kinda proud of it and I wanna improve

also ty for the idea of the autospillter thing

[steady lynx]

Also in runs you wanna have it in Chinese, saves a few seconds

[vast stratus]

I have it in Chinese ty though

[steady lynx]

Meant Undefined

[vast stratus]

what’s that

[steady lynx]

The person a bit up

[thorn jasper]

Gusten was commenting on this

[vast stratus]

ohhhhh sry

[formal salmon]

am i allowed to ask for help with setting up the files here?

im following the guides on the site but something isnt working

[grizzled maple]

whats wrong? we might be able to help

[formal salmon]

im trying to down patch to the 1.2.2.1 patch and i used the .net stuff and ran the config through the cmd.exe and after downloads all the files and says completed it still is in current patch

[grizzled maple]

Did you read over the installation part of the guide?

[formal salmon]

ive followed the guides step by step

ye

unless i missed something v minor

[grizzled maple]

hmm i'll leave this to the downpatch experts then

all i can think of is, the files you downloaded, are they where the original files were?

like that hollow_knight_Data is the downloaded folder right?

[formal salmon]

i believe so

i am a dunce but i was step by step following a video/ pictures

let me get the vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44HBxzC_RTg

[grizzled maple]

any video will be outdated. read over the guide in pins here

there was a change in the last month

you might be able to figure out whats wrong

[formal salmon]

ok due to some wording i thought i didnt have to download an older version of steam

but i may have to

[haughty fossil]

no that video works

[formal salmon]

oh then nvm

i followed this vid step by step

ok im v dumb

i was inthe wrong folder

[grizzled maple]

glad you got it

[formal salmon]

i alt tabbed into the wrong folder sorry for the spam and trouble ;-;

[worthy sluice]

You are good

[limpid ruin]

gg

[formal salmon]

now to learn to set up stream and live split

[worthy sluice]

Half of the speedrun is downpatching

[formal salmon]

i hope live split is easy, i tried to do it when i was learning sekiro and i couldnt figure it out

[stiff delta]

Its not too complex, the guide ok src does a really good job of explaining it

[versed elbow]

LiveSplits is a pretty simple program

[formal salmon]

ok another question, sorry

im doing that the site says to do for adding the debug mod and after i do what it says myt game refuses to load

[stiff delta]

dw, questions are all good

[formal salmon]

i just feel bad being inexperienced and i gotta keep asking ;-;

[stiff delta]

Its fine

This might be better suited for #archived-modding-help however

[formal salmon]

oh i didnt see that one m,y b

[knotty vigil]

I've been trying to get hollow knight to run in windowed mode so livesplit will show on top of it, but I just can't get it to work for some reason. Full screen in game settings is stuck to on, and won't let me change it. I've tried using steam launch arguments but that doesn't seem to work either. Anyone know how to get the game in windowed mode?

[normal aspen]

Try pressing alt + enter ingame

[knotty vigil]

oh- it worked. tysm

[livid stirrup]

I cannot express how much I despise Uumuu

Does anyone have current patch tips

I'm about ready to just be done

[worthy sluice]

Uuwuu is all about position

Take it slow, speed comes with experience

Try to lead uuwuu into a place where a fireball will be able to double hit

The walls are your best friends aswell

Tapping c-dash makes life easy when he does the fast attack

And you can slide down walls safely when he is doing slow attack

Memorizing the areas he will shock on the fast attack will also do you well

I find it easier to lure uuwuu to the left side

[worthy sluice]

Don't give up!!!!!! You will be able to do it!!!!

[livid stirrup]

Thanks fam

I appreaciate it

[fading fern]

Aaaaaaaaaaaa what a roller-coaster of a run facepalming all over

It's so hard to be consistent =w=

at least now I can do Joni's Blessing dark room with eyes closed

[worthy sluice]

Well I just finished my first any% so I had a lot of folks helping me the past week. anything to help

[leaden python]

that was hell of a rolercoster, but ggs on another pb, keep em coming Sub 3 is really close

[worthy sluice]

What a legend!!!! I don't think I have the attention span for a run that long

[fading fern]

Ya know, I also don't think I have the attention span for a run that long XD

lost tons of time at the end bcs I literally forgot about a grub

BUT! Sum of Best is 3:21 so the possibility is there =w=

[worthy sluice]

Good luck!!!!

Keep playing great

[fading fern]

Thank you!!! ❤️ Same to you and your Any%!

[worthy sluice]

Much appreciated!

[stiff delta]

You can check the pins

Ton of useful information

[stable flint]

I downloaded livesplit on a new pc, but it won’t open

I extracted the file and tried to open the .exe

And got nothing

I ran it as administrator and still nothing

[limpid ruin]

Hm, that's weird

I wanna guess its some windows user access control (uac) issue maybe

But hard to say at all unfortunately

[proud vessel]

im proud of myself because i did the skip to get to fog canyon from forgotten crossroads without ismas tear

its a very small thing but it makes me want to start speedrunning this game

[leaden python]

things like that is usually what inspires one to run this game, yeah 🙂 Make sure to check the pins for guides/setups

[proud vessel]

i will

ooh thats helpful for fireball skip

i was trying to do that earlier but couldnt figure out how

[proud vessel]

could anyone tell me why the any% nmg route has you hurt false knight a bit before skipping him

[nimble galleon]

Im not certain if its what you mean. But I do know the skip doesnt open until you finish phase 1

The crash "loosens" the rubble

[proud vessel]

hmm

just wondering, just in case i decide to seriously speedrun this game

[formal bough]

your hmm makes me not certain if you were certain about what woodchuck said, I'm just going to confirm it. You need to hit him down once before the wall is breakable, him hitting the floor a bunch is what causes it. You can see when it is possible because the wall reacts and has some sort of particles off of it.

[proud vessel]

oh i see i was just saying hmm because this was new information to me

didnt mean anything by it

[versed elbow]

@worthy sluice I was just practicing HK... 7 straight parries

Is there something that procs him to do it?

Like is there a way to AI manipulate him to not do it?

[formal bough]

#any-percent-nmg message take a look at this

I think it's just that THK randomly decides that you just need to get screwed

[deft flame]

i love this lmao

[versed elbow]

I counted 15 parries in 1 clip

Holy goddamn hell

[formal bough]

yeah it's 15/19, I tallied the attacks a little bit down

[proud vessel]

since you need video proof to post to speedrun.com, what video thingy should i use

[stiff delta]

? Do you mean platform or recording method

[proud vessel]

yes

i dont know much about it so yeah thats what i mean

[stiff delta]

any and any as long as you can see the game and hear the game audio

[proud vessel]

what im asking is, whats one of those i can use because i dont know any

[deft flame]

you can use OBS to record or stream

[stiff delta]

Youtube is the standard platform, a lot of people use obs to record

[deft flame]

and post it to youtube or if you streamed it on twitch create a highlight from the stream

[stiff delta]

What platform do you play on?

[proud vessel]

PC

[stiff delta]

Then obs is your best bet

[proud vessel]

ok

this would be my first speedrun ever

[stiff delta]

Neat

[old bloom]

77% uploaded
i am so tired of my phone sitting here useless 😓

[stiff delta]

pain

[old bloom]

i finished at 3pm,,, its now 10

[stiff delta]

that sucks

[old bloom]

ya, if it was my laptop it'd be fine it could go in the background but the app has to be open on my phone to upload

and idk how to easily transfer a 2 hour video from my phone to laptop

[stiff delta]

you really do hate to see it

[uneven stratus]

any tips on recording a run for consoles? like with splits and such? dont have a capture card unfortunately

just the built in recording/streaming feature on the console

[old bloom]

i played on switch today and deadass set up a tripod and just recorded for 2 hours

tho see above for uploading issues

[vagrant falcon]

so yeah i'm a gamer

[verbal stag]

ok

[stiff delta]

@uneven stratus you can use the internal recording thing, a capture card, or just set up your phone or something, as long as you can see and hear the game. Console leaderboards are timed rta so you dont really need splits in your recording, although they are preferred

[uneven stratus]

ah

i guess a bit of a simple question, since im not really that much of a speedrunner and trying out hollow knight to see if i can get into it, whats "timed rta"?

[stiff delta]

Real time attack, or just real time

Basically its just start to finish

[uneven stratus]

ahhh

[stiff delta]

Pc leaderboards are loadless, so thats when splits become important

[uneven stratus]

that makes sense

[stiff delta]

And dw about asking questions, people here are chill and can help you out

[old bloom]

the video has been uploaded and now its processing!

[proud vessel]

nice!

[elder kindle]

Are there any runs recorded on the newest version?

[harsh mason]

yes

[elder kindle]

Damn, ill need to see them, bcs rn learning on the newest version

[harsh mason]

its the same as the old one, besides spire lever skip

and the bosses being harder

[elder kindle]

So wait, new versions bosses are harder?

Jesus

[harsh mason]

just thk

i think wk is easier on cp

[sonic crane]

Uumuu is “harder” too because you need one more cycle

[short spire]

but also cp 3cycle is like 100 times easier than 1221 2cycle

you only need to get like 100 damage per cycle in there

[elder kindle]

Ill look at the patch notes

Maybe theyll tell me the exact details

[harsh mason]

5Head

[short spire]

you can just watch the current patch wr on speedrun.com

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/m75lxlwz

[harsh mason]

this game has awful patchnotes lol

[elder kindle]

Oooof

[harsh mason]

weirdly enough theres no patchnotes on the massive nerf or the 3 notch cost for flukenest

[elder kindle]

Its weird that they dont show the change

Like from 250 health to 225

[harsh mason]

thats if they even remember to put it in

iirc this is the patch, fluke went from 114 -> 80 damage and from 2->3 notches

heavy blow buff important though

[short spire]

112* -> 80

very important detail i know

[harsh mason]

oh yeah 16 * 9 -> 16 * 7 -> 16 * 5

and didnt it start at 16*5 at release too lol

[versed elbow]

I've come to the conclusion that I literally just can't run on Xbox. For some reason on Switch everytime I get to Watcher Knights they actually behave correctly. Yet on Xbox it feels like they do nothing, but spam roll even if I'm staring them in the face. This boss fight becomes almost unplayable let alone trying to get it perfect for a speedrun

[harsh mason]

confirmation bias

[versed elbow]

God I hate this fight. Descending Darkness is the only way to make in bearable. Going back to learning All Skills.

[elder kindle]

Im so bigbrain that im playing with a keyboard on the newest patch which has less glitches with bosses which are apparently harder

[versed elbow]

The only boss that I know is confirmed harder is Hollow Knight and the worst thing he does is 18 parries in 20 seconds.

[harsh mason]

so you know shaded, on cp wk is random

it just picks slash, roll, jump 33/33/33 split

regardless of your position

[versed elbow]

And on downpatch you can manip?

[elder kindle]

And im learning the any% so ill have to fight that parrying abomination

[versed elbow]

You'll have to fight those rolling sonic fanclub abominations too.

[harsh mason]

yeah, its like 60% or 40% depending on if theres 1 or 2 of them for them to slash

if you're within slash without moving range

[elder kindle]

Thank goodness there's a shandeler

1 guy will be down

[harsh mason]

thats

not even close to how you spell that word

[versed elbow]

Chandelier

[elder kindle]

Never used that word

Mb

lol

[versed elbow]

Also I think Team Cherry is the only developer I've ever seen patch a boss to make it objectively worse.

[elder kindle]

Welp, atleast one less beyblade to fight

[versed elbow]

Like buffing up Hollow Knight is whatever because he's a final boss.

Making WK more random...

What?

[harsh mason]

the assumption is, the function that actually did the weighted stuff, did backrolls

and to get rid of backrolls they just skip that function

the fsm is pretty much the same

[elder kindle]

They love RNGesus so much that they made the wk more rng

[versed elbow]

Honestly it's gonna be the reason I just go All Skills.

Descending Dark is the best answer to them.

[short spire]

they didn't make watcher knights "more random"

they actually made them more consistent by making it so they can't roll from offscreen

changing the weighting of the attacks isnt more randomness, it's just differently weighted randomness

[short spire]

what is this supposed to mean

[harsh mason]

the only thing they changed is that you cant control which random weighting you can get by standing next to them now

not including the attack range change for rolling

[elder kindle]

Is there an exact patern of hornets attacks or is half rng half scripted?

[harsh mason]

look at the fsm

[short spire]

she always jumps up after a stagger

outside of that it's just rng

[elder kindle]

Ok

[harsh mason]

looking at the fsm, its 50% to just run
then 20% to do ground pbaoe
then if shes not next to wall and facing it

• 25/25/25/25 for remaining moves (with 2/1/2/1 repeats) (air dive/air pbaoe/ground dash/throw needle)
  else
• 33/33/34 for remaining moves (2/1/2 repeats) (air dive/air pbaoe/ground dash)

there also appears to be a miss tracker which is 5/7/5/3 for dive/air pbaoe/dash/throw

not sure what thats for

otherwise
after stun, always jump

and if hit during idle/run
30/15/15/40 weights for evade/jump/attack/idle

attack goes into the next to a wall check

[raven idol]

sorry to interrupt the current discussion but I suppose this is the right place to ask: does someone here normally play on pc and then bought the switch version to also play/train certain skips on the go?

I found the switch-version to be pretty much unplayable due to horrible inputlag (i can beat absolute radiance decently reliably on pc but i cant even do hornet 1 on the switch... even though i use the same controller on both switch and pc). the input lag is so noticeable that i can press the jump button and take my finger entirely off the controller before the knight even starts the jumping animation

[harsh mason]

it runs like shit yes

also the idle on the if hit, doesn't go to idle idle, its just a .25/.4s delay on going to attack

[short spire]

yeah the switch version is just like that

this game runs horrrribly at 60 fps

[raven idol]

that really is a shame, almost thought i had a broken switch lol

[harsh mason]

although this is gg current patch

which says stun is always empty jump which im not sure about

yo what a good use of random

[short spire]

stun always going into empty jump sounds correct actually

[harsh mason]

oh, its pretty obvious what "missed" means, it has nothing to do with missing

its how many times it "misses" that roll, so you can only do 5 attacks in a row that aren't airdive

before it forces an airdive

[short spire]

wild

wait theres no way every 4th attack is a needle throw

[harsh mason]

it only increments it when it could have thrown

and also if its not at its max repeats

so it throws, then next time it could throw max throws in a row gets set to 0, then it starts counting up the next time

[short spire]

they really love making these things extremely needlessly complicated huh

[harsh mason]

it works as expected for everything else

well including the max rep things

except the ground aoe attack, which just has a limit of 1 in a row, and 5 misses in a row

but is programmed differently

[burnt grove]

I really don't get this. on pc with vsync I can feel the input lag and it takes a while to get used to, and I usually play on switch. maybe a lot of people experience output lag? TVs have game modes that turn off all their amazing (and sometimes kinda stupid) features that usually work well enough for movies, and not using game mode does to gameplay exactly what @raven idol describes

[raven idol]

im not playing on a tv - im playing in handheldmode lol

[burnt grove]

wow, never tried handheld mode. I'll have to give it a go and see what happens. all I know about the display is that it's lower res. the switch does scale its processing speed down to save battery, so that changes things too

honestly in my experience, pc without vsync > switch > pc with vsync. the switch experience doesn't have to be terrible

[steady lynx]

Honestly, idk if I just got used to the input lag but it's not too bad

[pine wadi]

anyone know why thk is invisible? i just got voidheart and benchwarped out and now thk is invisible

[steady lynx]

It's just some issue with stuff not loading correctly, just hard reset the game and it'll fix itself

[pine wadi]

so close and reopen?

[haughty fossil]

yeah

[pine wadi]

kk ty

didn't work its still invisibl

invisible

[raven idol]

properly close it as in entirely shut the software down, that should fix it

[pine wadi]

i did it using task manager

and tryed the x button which shut it down but didnt work

same with task manager

[haughty fossil]

are you using customknight?

[pine wadi]

yes

[haughty fossil]

try turning it off

customknight causes invis thk more often, it's very common in randomizer

[pine wadi]

ok

fixed it

tysm

first try rad :v

wrong chat

[west bane]

I have a question about hazard respawn in debug mod. It sets auto save states every time i enter a room so i cant practice e.g. aspid arena since it wont keep my save state that i made before entering the room. is there a way to turn auto saving off?

[short spire]

save states are different from the hazard respawn points

you've gotta bind the set savestate and load savestate actions to keys in the bindings menu

[limpid ruin]

Also worth noting savestates don't save hazard respawn points, so make sure to hazard respawn before loading it

[west bane]

i dont even see a bindings menu

[short spire]

f1 will toggle all the menus on and off

[limpid ruin]

Press f1

[west bane]

so if i press f1 there will be the binding menu where it says on the first page e.g. hazard respawn and below that it says set respawn

but there is no option for save states

[limpid ruin]

Press the page number box

It'll send you to next page

[west bane]

yeah i went all the way through, its not the dreamgate options right?

i set dreamgate positions because i cant get savestates to work

[limpid ruin]

Oh

Are you on downpatched or current patch?

Sounds like you're using an outdated version of debug

[west bane]

yeah that has to be it acutally

[limpid ruin]

For 1221 there's an updated version in #resources

[west bane]

ok ty! edit: yupp, it shows the options now, they are on the first page aswell. although the mod version top left didnt change for me, it still says 1.3.3

[frigid rapids]

yeah the mod version number hasn't been updated in years

[limpid ruin]

^

it hasnt been properly updated for a while. An actual might come soon though, if I stop being pepo

[burnt grove]

I tested handheld mode by dashing into a wall and then cdashing, bc cdash early -> missing it and cdash late -> sliding down a little. I miss it a lot more in handheld mode, suggesting less input or output lag. (I suspect a really busy scene would change things, though.)

on the other hand, frame delays are dwarfed by our brains' own processing delays (>= 100ms) which brains make up for with amazing prediction capabilities, but the prediction is context-dependent... so I don't trust my own feeling on this entirely

anyway, if it feels bad, don't do it bc you'll need the consistency for nearly frame-perfect strats in the future

[trim ferry]

anyone want to do a 112 hk race? we got two. Later today. Unpracticed

[small magnet]

Hey, all. So, I've finally conceded to the fact that if I ever want to finish a run I have to give up on QGA for the time being. Does anyone have a video or something showing the deepnest route?

[worthy sluice]

Give me one sec

[steady lynx]

https://youtu.be/WaZ6yRHOf-o

[worthy sluice]

https://youtu.be/WaZ6yRHOf-o

Dang

You beat me

[small magnet]

Thanks all

[old bloom]

I submitted my run!

also idk why but it submitted twice hopefully that won’t be an issue~

[worthy sluice]

Is there any way for me to get a run on the leaderboard without having to record it i dont have a capture card and my phone doesnt have enough storage to record for over an hour

I also dont have a pc

[haughty fossil]

Is there any way for me to get a run on the leaderboard without having to record it
no

[worthy sluice]

:/ rip

[haughty fossil]

what console are you on?

[worthy sluice]

Xbox one

I could stream the run

[old bloom]

when it asks for date

do I put the day I played it?

[digital jewel]

yes

[old bloom]

okie ^^

is there a way to delete the second one I accidentally posted~ I think it’s cause I went back on my phone tab so it did it twice

[digital jewel]

click these 3 dots on the side

[old bloom]

maybe I can’t cause it’s not verified yet

[vast stratus]

I’m trying to downpatch my hk but when I get to the cmd.exe part (when I press enter after entering the app, depot, manifest, etc) it asks me for the account password and it doesn’t allow me to type anything

[haughty fossil]

it is allowing you to type, it just isn;'t showing it

[vast stratus]

rly?

WHAT

HOW DID THAT WORK

TYSM

[haughty fossil]

yes, it doesn't show you typing your password

[vast stratus]

ty

[versed elbow]

The routing for current patch All Skills

Hollow Knight movement is new best friend.

[versed elbow]

I somehow for the first time ever made Fog Canyon acid skip in handheld. It took like 3 tries.

I was playing in handheld on my Switch save and didn't feel like going for Izma's so I said forget it and just did the skip.

Also. 11 minute Hornet split for a beginner?

Missed fireball, but got backup really quick. Missed quickkill on VK, but ended up getting a good backup that I can't even explain how I did it.

[dull lion]

11 min hornet is a great beginner time

[versed elbow]

[livid stirrup]

Yup that's my Hornet time too

[stable rain]

You cannot delete runs before your speedrun.com account is 1 week old

[short spire]

oh so that's what it is

i've seen this question so many times but never knew why it happens to people

i wonder why they do that

[limpid ruin]

might be more computational load if and easier to break the site if you could just automatically upload and mess in the storage etc

[meager current]

i have a 10:13 dash split

[limpid ruin]

but honestly no clue

[meager current]

i could definitely try get it sub 10

[steady lynx]

I've gotten very close to sub 10 Mothwing cloak on switch any% but it's hard

[meager current]

on the run i have my best cloak split i messed up a lot of things

so i could definitely save at least 13 seconds

also why is kp vengefly so inconsistent with its flight speed

[steady lynx]

🍝

[meager current]

makes sense

team spaghetti code never seizes to amaze me

[steady lynx]

Flight speed of most flying enemies is determined by framerate for some reason

Why they didn't tie it to physics frames is beyond me

[meager current]

because when the fly goes slow i always mess up the pogo

and whats up with statue pogo fly like wtf

[steady lynx]

They move so slowly on console so I have to wait a bit before jumping

[meager current]

do they move slower in lower frame rates or faster on lower framerates?

[steady lynx]

slower

[meager current]

hmm

[digital jewel]

you also can't send dms until your account is a week old

which sounds sensible but it means if you dm someone who just joined because they need help with something, they can't even read it

[deft thorn]

wait they can't even receive and read the dm?

[digital jewel]

they receive it and it appears in their notifications

but they can't read it

[steady lynx]

Okay, if you plain couldn't dm them or if they could at least read it I'd understand, but that way is a bit silly

[shy token]

Is this good for the first speedrun?

Do I have potential?)

[granite field]

that's great for a first time

[steady lynx]

Everyone has potential

[granite field]

Also I recommend to rather use Livesplit because the in-game timer is inaccurate
You'd have a better view on your time (and splits)

[shy token]

I'm do not know from it, I was just playing)

[granite field]

If you want to Improve my advice is to take a look at guides, I'd say the Fireborn guide is good to start with
Do not worry about optimizations and some skips might be hard to do but hopefully most of them have backup strats 👍

Let me grab the link one sec

https://youtu.be/RLS9SH7MrO0

[shy token]

In this table of speedrunners, I really wanted to get into it. But it's very difficult to go through the whole game from memory in one breath, and not get lost

I was supposed to be here 313, but I played intermittently and did not record
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight

[granite field]

on which plateform do you play?

[shy token]

pc

[haughty fossil]

route guides and setup stuff is in pins

[shy token]

How do you earn the role of a speedrunner?)

[granite field]

Submit a time on speedrun.com and ask a src mod

I mean, and get the time verified of course

[shy token]

To do this, you need to write down as I understand it?

recorded*

I copied it wrong)

[granite field]

yeah usually people share the link of the run here

[shy token]

Well, okay, at least I deserve the achievement)

[granite field]

oh you mean to submit? you need an account on speedrun.com first

and congrats for the achiev

[shy token]

I have no record)

Sorry, it's hard to work with a translator

[granite field]

I recommend using OBS for that, it's useful and quite easy to make an overlay with the "transparent" timer on your game screen

But making the overlay is up to you. You can do pretty much whatever you want with it

[shy token]

I have it, sometimes I stream fighting games
The difficulty is to remember the whole wound

How do you remember this at all?)

[digital jewel]

after you do it a few times you'll remember it fine

[shy token]

I went through it in small pieces, having passed it in advance in another save

Too many little things

It will be hard to hold in your head

[steady lynx]

After a while it becomes almost muscle memory where you go and what you get

Until you go for VS twice in the same run

[shy token]

Speedrun with what minimum time do you need to record to get a role?

[digital jewel]

there is no minimum

or maximum I guess you mean

[shy token]

maximum

yes

[steady lynx]

You can submit a 5 hour run and it'll probably count as long as it's valid

[shy token]

lol

I'll have to find a few days off from work and do it seriously.
Optimize wounds, memorized and filmed

I hope I'll come back with the role)

[digital jewel]

good luck

[shy token]

Thanks)

[granite field]

GL

[dense basalt]

Might try and speedrun hk for the first time

[worthy sluice]

Do it

Its funnnnnn

Unless its qga

Then its not

[slim bramble]

what is qga

[jagged vault]

Queen's Gardens Acid (skip)

precise cdash to get across an acid pit and get into queen's gardens without shade cloak or isma's tear (or dash slash)

[slim bramble]

jesus

[jagged vault]

it's used in Any% NMG

[meager current]

unless you are like me

who cant do it and just goes through the easy way :/

[snow dome]

Deepnest is the true route

People only do QGA because they're afraid of Deepnest. 😎

[versed elbow]

Who's not afraid of deepnest?

[hollow mesa]

tbf deepnest is scary if I didn't suck at qga i'd do it too

[livid stirrup]

FIRST SUB-HOUR LET'S GO

Went from 1:00:02 to 54:05

Every boss first try which is a first

I also got the actual real correct mantis pogo in a run which is also a first

Usually I have to improvise

I think it's probably time to practice the bosses without the nail upgrade now

That's the next thing I need to cut out

[worthy sluice]

Sub 1:30

Almost ten minutes of improvement

[livid stirrup]

🙌🙌🙌

[worthy sluice]

Congrats of your run aswell

I hope i can get sub hour sometime aswell

[livid stirrup]

Thanks! Ten minutes is a huge improvement gg

In three weeks I went from 2 hour to sub 1, you can do it

[worthy sluice]

It wouldve been more but i forgot to bench at dirtmouth after lurian

[livid stirrup]

Yep I've done that

[worthy sluice]

This is just one week!!!! I started this monday

[livid stirrup]

NICE

[worthy sluice]

Im so suprised on how well i did

I just need to get more consistant with WK, uuwuu and THK

[livid stirrup]

Yep, same

[worthy sluice]

Uuwuu gave me god luck this run

Then i died

[livid stirrup]

I've gotten WAY better at wk, a good amount better at thk, and angrier at uumuu 😂

[worthy sluice]

He did fast fast fast slow i think

[livid stirrup]

Are you playing 1221 or cp?

[worthy sluice]

Cp

[livid stirrup]

Same

[worthy sluice]

Cp any%

[livid stirrup]

Yep yep

[worthy sluice]

Yeah great job on sub hour

Thats really impressive

[livid stirrup]

I generally have to improv with uumuu bc she doesn't get stuck in the center platform like on 1221

Thanks fam ☺️

I need to finally record a run and submit it

[worthy sluice]

Updated the number

[livid stirrup]

It's gonna be a crappy recording on my phone bc my little MacBook can't handle the multitasking

N i c e

[worthy sluice]

Yeah i dont have that much storage

I need to get my run below 1:10 before i can upload a speedrun

: P

Basically i just cleaned up all the loose edges

[livid stirrup]

Yknow I wonder if I have the storage to record that long

[worthy sluice]

Died a few times to uuwuu wk and thk

And forgot to bench at dirtmouth

[livid stirrup]

Yeah that'll do it

In my previous pb I fell off distant village

[worthy sluice]

Yeah i remember hearing that

[livid stirrup]

Now every time I'm like super slow going to the stag station 😂😂😂

[worthy sluice]

I fell in the room in greenpath with the obbles

Right before vengefly king

[livid stirrup]

I HATE when that happens

So flipping annoying

[worthy sluice]

Well more timesave for the next run!!!

Does anyone know ways to catch a spliced HK run

So when i splice my run, i know what to avoid

: P

[knotty vigil]

bark

[worthy sluice]

Woof

[stiff delta]

ah yes

Speedrunning

[worthy sluice]

I wouldnt know

I am a mere peasant

Among legends and gods

[dull lion]

In their defense, we have sr-off topic to talk about our bullshit

[stiff delta]

facts

[formal bough]

has there ever actually been a problem with cheating in HK?

[stiff delta]

Give me half an hour and then yes

[dull lion]

Lmao noooo

[stiff delta]

jk jk

[dull lion]

They’ll have like 4 mods verifying your next pb now lol

[stiff delta]

If i ever pb

[dull lion]

Mood

[deft thorn]

can't PB if I never speedrun

[dull lion]

That’s me being addicted to rando right now

[grizzled maple]

Imagine getting pb's instead of just doing randos and meme runs

[ember stratus]

Nvm it's too hard

My 1 hour run is kinda impossible

[worthy sluice]

Spicie if you are still there, they wont find anything on my first recorded pb, cuz im not a cheater

As a matter of fact, they will probably facepalm

Alot

[dull plank]

any way to go down to 1.2.2.1 on switch?

dang :/

thanks tho

[twin swallow]

blog it

deleting messages 🙄

[worthy sluice]

Yeah i dont want anyone to get the wrong message

I worked my tail off for a 1:29:14 and if a bunch of people were to start accusing me of cheating because i put a joke time on the discord i would get fairly upset

Im im planning to work my tail off more for even better times

[stiff delta]

nice

[twin swallow]

good to hear!

[worthy sluice]

Then imma beat every one of you in a race

: P

[dull plank]

hi one more question, is there a guide on what splits to make?

[limpid ruin]

Mostly when making splits you "just" make whatever you feel you need, first splits are handy to just copy off of a run so you can see what others split on

[worthy sluice]

I love you cuties

[twin swallow]

if you want to compare your times to others, probably best you see what splits others use and copy those

[worthy sluice]

Imagine using splits

Hahahaha

[twin swallow]

if you want to run your own routes, make your own categories or feel you need additional things, add them as you see fit

[worthy sluice]

I use the timer on my phone

[dull plank]

thanks yall!

[snow dome]

I highly suggest the sub splits feature if you want to get timings for specific things. That way you still have the same splits as everybody else and can compare to ComSOB but can see the specific things you want too.

That said, the only subsplits I use these days are for the chandelier and WK splits in All Skills because we only split at Lurien there. Isolating the WK fight is useful for me.

[limpid ruin]

(I tried subsplits, but can't say I really liked them personally, can't remember exactly why tho)

I really wish you could use subsplits on the backend but like have full splits for the front end, so full segment golds etc vs just subsegment golds

[dull plank]

lol greenpath skip got me

[dull lion]

Don’t worry about missing greenpath skips as your starting. Just use the backup and keep going

[dull plank]

yea, ill have to learn the ins and outs of this game

[true hound]

is there a guide for all glitches speedruns?

[dull lion]

I think so on SRC but it’s really outdated so just use to learn techniques

[true hound]

SRC?

what is that

[rotund jackal]

https://speedrun.com/hollowknight

[true hound]

the one by serena? it just says to "superslide" and I'm not sure how to do that.

[haughty fossil]

do some searches in #any-percent, there should be some stuff in the pins there

(a superslide is pausing on the same frame as killing an enemy, so that you keep the knockback momentum while paused)

[limpid ruin]

(locking your fps lowish is super helpful for that bc actually frame perfect)

[ember karma]

Wanna see my speedrun

[true hound]

yes

[snow hollow]

I have a theoretical question: I don't speedrun but would it /technically/ be possible to get under 32 if runners started running fury of the fallen and somehow managed to run perfectly with FoTF?

[fading fern]

Everything went bad after Colosseum 3 but ya know what? This is a run I can upload happily because I was actually doing well ='3

also fuck Radiance and her bullshit flying orbs

I literally choked on the boss for the third colosseum trial =v

and then I started making mistakes bcs a silly loss like that really damps your spirits

[limpid ruin]

Nah, fury takes like half a minute to pick up, so even hypothetically it couldn't save enough

[median gull]

a bit more to overcharm

[haughty fossil]

the community sum of best is already below 32 right?

[limpid ruin]

It could break even maybe if you grinded enough to get perfect rng as well, but on avg++ it would be slower

[haughty fossil]

just match comsob 4Head

[steady lynx]

It hit 31 the other day

[median gull]

It MIGHT (I really doubt) in a TAS level be able to get a sub 32

[limpid ruin]

Ax* hit 31 the other day

[median gull]

with perfect turnarounds everywhere, rng softfalls, perfect bosses

[steady lynx]

If a run gets absolutely perfect RNG, does everything perfectly and doesn't get messed up because spaghetti

[median gull]

perfect movement saving every frame possible

[limpid ruin]

I feel like I should stop memeing about that, but yea, I think it reached 31:58 even?

[haughty fossil]

I mean, human level has it done already, it's just no human is capable of stringing it all together... yet

[median gull]

but comsob doesn't get fury jame

or did we change convo and i'm lost

[steady lynx]

I fear the day when any% has to Fury the whole run to WR

[haughty fossil]

I thought you changed convo

[limpid ruin]

I think kanra timed aggressive fury thk to save 15 seconds or so

Like AGGRESSIVE aggressive

[steady lynx]

Up in his face the whole fight

[median gull]

how much can you save in wk and hornet?

[snow hollow]

can't wait for the 30:XX TAS Fury/overcharm run

[median gull]

HK is not TASable

you can play it in slow-mo and speed it up later tho

[steady lynx]

We'll just splice perfect rooms together

[snow hollow]

😦

[median gull]

Like, pop "tas" is 1:59

but humanly possible is 2:07

[jagged vault]

Actually, some recent stuff with libTAS looks promising in terms of actual TASing

[median gull]

a real tas would probably save a bit more frames than that, but I don't think it would be anything that really matters

oh yea

that PV fight was insane

[jagged vault]

I remember seeing a PV tas

Yeah

[steady lynx]

Link that

[median gull]

I thought it wasn't viable to do a full run with that

[snow hollow]

++ link for PV tas

[median gull]

idk much about it tho, and I'm probably wrong

[steady lynx]

We can libTAS every room induvidually and splice

[median gull]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/av928020409

[steady lynx]

Poor thing barely got to move

[snow hollow]

what the fuck

[worthy sluice]

New pb

1:23:54

First tried everything exept watchers

Great 3rd run

[limpid ruin]

I didn't actually watch this until now. That's genuinely sick how good that was

[median gull]

this fake TAS is also worth watching https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1St4y1e7Eb?from=search&seid=5797693935026955187

pop "tas"

[stable bronze]

Hey everybody! I’m Llokalla (he/him) I’ve been super in to HK since it came out on Switch, and I’ve been working on speed running it for a few months, and wanted to share that I just got a sub 1 hour IGT any % run on Xbox Series X!

[steady lynx]

If you record a run like that on Xseries that's WR

[worthy sluice]

Wait thats it

Sick

I can do that

[stable bronze]

I’m thinking I may have questions about how to record stuff

[worthy sluice]

Me too bud

Me too

[median gull]

Capture card or your phone should work

[steady lynx]

Xseries and PS5 got their own board because the loads were better than every other console

[worthy sluice]

Aaah

[stable bronze]

I have an elgato usb capture thingy

[steady lynx]

Should work fine

[stable bronze]

Cool I’ll give it a shot

[steady lynx]

Also use Livesplit to time, we don't use IGT since it's wonky

[stiff delta]

if its on console its just start to finish, timer isnt a necessity

[steady lynx]

It makes verifying easier for mods and I'm all for making their lives easier

[stable bronze]

Is livesplit available for Mac?

[steady lynx]

Actually, you don't have to use it

[stable bronze]

Thanks y’all! I’m going to try to record a run soon, but it may not happen until next weekend at this point.

[worthy sluice]

Gusten

Aww hes gone

[stable bronze]

I had set a goal for myself to get sub 1 hour kind of thinking I’d never get it but here we are

[worthy sluice]

Ive done three runs, my first was a 1:39:20 run

[stable bronze]

I’d like to learn the true ending run because I hate the bad ending

[worthy sluice]

Second was 1:29:18

And this one

[stable bronze]

That’s awesome, it took me looooooots more runs to get here

[worthy sluice]

Yeah

I think if i practice watchers and beast den

I can get sub hour

[stable bronze]

Yeah do it!

[worthy sluice]

I died like 7 times to watchers

[stable bronze]

I still struggle with acid skip into fog canyon

[worthy sluice]

I do deepnest route

[stable bronze]

And I’m not even trying the acid skip into queens gardens

[worthy sluice]

It only looses like 40 seconds

Oooh

Yeah its a practice thing, hollow knight works alot like punchout, you can buffer attacks and inputs, so if you hit crystal dash right before connecting with the wall, then you will crystal dash right as you connect with it

And the wall jump off is just muscle memory

[steady lynx]

I can't really do any%, I like the longer categories

[worthy sluice]

I have school so i dont have time for longer catigories

Also gusten!!!!

I love you❤️

[stable bronze]

Props to @grizzled maple whose videos helped me out a lot

[worthy sluice]

Emray helped me a fair bit aswell

Really it was i believe emray gusten shaded tamijo and, well everyone

Everyone helped

[wild viper]

hello

[worthy sluice]

Howdy

[wild viper]

me and a friend have just started speedrunning and we need help with some things

[worthy sluice]

What category

[wild viper]

any% nmg

[worthy sluice]

HEY I might be able to help

[wild viper]

but its mostly related to practice

[dull lion]

What you need?

[wild viper]

what mod do people use to add soul

to practice fireball skips

[worthy sluice]

I play on console Lol imagine being helpful

[dull lion]

Debug mod. You can use the mod installer if you’re on current patch or fireborn has a 1221 tutorial in his amy% setup guide or the one linked above

[wild viper]

ok, thanks a lot!

[proud vessel]

my downpatch is still downloading

has been since last night

[dull lion]

It took me like 30 min. I’ve never heard of it taking that long. Can you send a screenshot of your steam console?

[proud vessel]

oh ok

actually im not using steam console im using depot downloader

[stable flint]

will live split save golds if u dont complete a run?

[dull lion]

Oh Ive only used steam downpatched so I can’t help. Somebody else probably will in a bit

Yes

As long as you end the run

Like click the stop timer button

[stable flint]

i used depot downloader. took me about a half hour too. it shouldnt take that long

[stable flint]

welp i didnt, so i guess i lost 6 golds

[proud vessel]

thats strange then

[dull lion]

Oof, if it makes you feel better I lost my 57:35 all skills pb by doing that lol

I beat it like 5 days later but shut hurt

I accidentally clicked the go back a split button

[stable flint]

dang

i ahd been doing so well, 2 minutes ahead, then lost focus and died to bv

i would have finished the run if i knew that id lose the golds

would ahve made a hige difference to my sob

[dull lion]

Runs die all the time, if you made that pace once you’ll make it again. Especially if you haven’t done like 100’s of runs yet. Definitely still hurts though

[stable flint]

lol ive probably completed less than 10 runs total

ive run a lot more than that tho

most i reset by hornet

ive only lost about 7 past the first 15 minutes

[wild viper]

help

[stable flint]

?'

[wild viper]

after installing the mod api trying to start any save just black screens

[stable flint]

which modding api

[wild viper]

1.2.2.1-39

i think

i got it from fireborn video

[stable flint]

im sorry. i dont know about the modding api there, if its the same as i used

[wild viper]

welp, thanks anyway

gonna try reinstalling everything again idk

[stable flint]

thats a good idea

where did u install the mods to

[wild viper]

to the games root folder

replacing hollow_knight_data

[stable flint]

ah

youre not supposed to replace hollow knight data

in hollow knight data is a file called amanged, youre supposed to move it into that file

[wild viper]

OH

im copying the game again gonna try that in a minute

[stable flint]

u may need to redownload 1221. u deleted a lot of important files

[wild viper]

i did it in a copy of the game

[stable flint]

it will promt you to replacce an existing file, click yes.

[wild viper]

thats what i did

[stable flint]

in the managed folder or did u replace all of the data folder?

[wild viper]

i just merged data

replacing some files

inside managed i guess

[stable flint]

which files did you replace

[wild viper]

idk windows said 3 files i said ok bro

[stable flint]

because if you did that then it should work properly

[wild viper]

thats what windows telling me

i just hit yes

and i cant start a new save

just a black screen with the menu music and the modding api text

[dull lion]

Does your normal 1221 install work?

[wild viper]

yea

[dull lion]

That’s the file you should be replacing afaik. If nobody here can help you #archived-modding-help might be a better bet

[wild viper]

gonna try that later, my friend is trying in his pc now to see if theres any difference

[last rivet]

Hey! i've recently downloaded Livesplit in order to start running, but I can't get it to work whenever I run Hollow Knight. It works fine when it's not running, both manually and with hotkeys, but as soon as I run the game it stops working. I've tried running Livesplit as admin, with no success. Any help?

I've also tried running Hollow Knight both before and after Livesplit, didn't work either

[grizzled maple]

You do need to have the game open first. I have a couple of questions
-did you select hk from the drop down when you set it up?
-are you comparing to game time?
-did you activate the auto splitter
-do you have at least one auto split?

[last rivet]

-yes, hollow knight is selected under the split editor
-yes, personal best and game time
-yes
-yes

[grizzled maple]

So what exactly is happening when you try to start a file?

It should start automatically once the cutscenes are done and automatically pause at loads.

[last rivet]

yeah, it doesn't

the timer is supposed to turn green and the first split blue, that's what happens when i activate the split outside the game

[grizzled maple]

If nothing is happening then somehow livesplit isn't connected. It works by reading the game data which is why the game needs to be open before it

If you have it correctly selected, and you have at least one active autosplit, no matter what it is it should respond to the game

Is the timer itself not running at all?

[last rivet]

not at all

stays forever at 0.00

[grizzled maple]

Go into layout and check under the tabs there and make sure they're all set to current comparison.

I also recommend resetting livesplit again to double check

[last rivet]

they're all set to current comparison

funny thing is, when i run hollow knight and livesplit at the same time, apparently i do start the run, it even counts as a reset when i press my reset hotkey

but the timer doesnt change and the splits don't update

[grizzled maple]

Yeah thats why I got you to check the layout because it sounds like it actually is connected, just not displayed.

I'll let someone else come in who might be at a pc who can screenshot and help better. Im in bed lol

[last rivet]

alright, thanks for your help

[jaunty anvil]

I FINISHED MY 1ST RUN !!!

[last rivet]

hype

[jaunty anvil]

this time is kinda trash (i fuckin forgot the deepnest route when i realised oh shit im no doing QGA)

[last rivet]

still can't get mine to run lulw

[last rivet]

there's no trash time, you'll only get better from here

[jaunty anvil]

yeah !!

i relaised i cant record cuz of my shitty laptop but hopefully by the time i get p decent i will hav a PC so

[last rivet]

are you gonna send it to speedrun.com eventually?

[jaunty anvil]

yeah if i ever am able 2 setup screen recording

[last rivet]

cool cool

did you run into any problems when getting livesplit to work?

[jaunty anvil]

naw i just used fireborn's guide

[last rivet]

same

but i cant get it to work

sadge

[jaunty anvil]

hm ? oh well if u want help maybe i can ?

im not the greatest w this stuff tho so

[last rivet]

nah its ok

eventually i have to get it working

well, off to reinstall livesplit, something's got to be wrong here

[rancid harness]

Is it possible to do the lever skip on the way to watcher knights on nintendo switch?

[verbal stag]

nope

[fluid pawn]

anybody who has purchased and used a ds5 controller, have you had issues with the face buttons sticking in longer than you've pressed them? if so, were you able to solve the issue?

i have a new ds5 and my square and x are having a nasty habit of sticking in, making just basic jumping/slashing a pain sometimes because of the buttons sticking

[last rivet]

@grizzled maple i think the problem is in the autosplitter

when it's off, the timer starts both in and out of the game

when it's on, nothing happens

[rancid harness]

Do you have some suggestions of way to livesplit/autosplit my runs on switch?