probably because i'm on cp
#speedrunning
analog monolith
mint sand
analog monolith
nope
deft flame
is there a setup for the flying mantis pogo in mantis village or do people just react to whatever they do?
analog monolith
i have actually been personally labbing that a little bit on my own
what i like to do is damage tank the lower one and then pogo off the higher one, that gives you enough height to dash onto the right plat
verbal stag
deft flame
cool, thanks
formal salmon
hello im new and im playing hk for the second time but im looking into speedrunning and i had a question about the lost kin fight! why do runners not drop to the left of the starting platform when entering the dream to fight it when its a flat drop and a dash to the right as opposed to going to the right and dropping down for a left dash?
it seems faster to drop left? just curious on this
dim glen
i actually never thought of that
formal salmon
😮
like i dont know the right fall down path for the right side but left seems easier and faster from what i can see
steady lynx
Uhm
formal salmon
yeah! i just never noticed it until i was trying to die because i fell on the spikes trrying to learn the fast fall
steady lynx
We do drop left
dim glen
oh lmao
formal salmon
oh ive wathced a few and ive seen some drop right
and go around
skurry was one i watched where a few times he has gone right and someone else i cant quite put my finger on ( im still new so ive only watched a few)
dim glen
well from what ive seen skurry skips skips cos he isnt paying enough attention
or he forgot about them
formal salmon
steady lynx
Might be part of the setup Skurry uses for the fight
formal salmon
oooh okie ty v much, i was v confused about it
this is the first game ive thought about speedrunning so i was curious
steady lynx
I just do the DDark spam because team cherry can't balance spells
dim glen
ahaha true
formal salmon
im struggling with lost kin ;-;
this is technically a blind ish play through im doing but im still trying to practice some speed stuff
oh one more quick question, im pretty sure the answer is no but do you keep soul when transitioning to dream fight?>
dim glen
i dont think so
median gull
yes you do
steady lynx
You keep it when entering but not when leaving
median gull
^
dim glen
oh my bad
steady lynx
Mostly done for failed champion and the final boss
formal salmon
okie ty! im planning to buy it for pc and practice here but i only have it on console rn
fickle hearth
Im trying to practice the first room with the worms and it feels like im playing a different game compared to the speedrun guide
Every time I try to jump over the second worm I get hit
formal salmon
how do you go about practicing this game? just download a mod to save spot you and practice the hard stuff and routing?
raven holly
where are you getting hit by the 2nd goam
fickle hearth
like, at the apex of where he comes out
I can stream it real quick to show it properly
median gull
are you playing on switch?
fickle hearth
PC
median gull
hmm, are you using modding api?
fickle hearth
yeah
raven holly
are your load times long af or are they just average or slightly long
fickle hearth
one thing I noticed is that other people land near the middle of the platform between the goams and I land on the far right edge
its like Im going farther or faster with the same inputs
no just normal loads
raven holly
You should be jumping as soon as you touch the grass. You don't want to do a full hop otherwise you'll land on the edge weird or miss it completely. Then you should be able to do 2 full hops to get over them
raven holly
Yeah you don't want to just tap it, but don't hold onto it either. Have to find a good middle ground for the first jump. That's probably the hardest part of the room and everything after is ez
fickle hearth
that was closer
I think the rest is just up to me getting the hang of it thanks
YES there we go
raven holly
formal salmon
is there a reliable place to get good practice on console? i assume not due to modding
dim glen
i started speedrunning on console and what i did was save to the closest bench and keep going to that spot to practice
raven holly
Things like movement are easy to practice because you can just save quit to a bench, but I'm not sure about bosses and other stuff. Not sure if console is able to load specific save files so they can redo things. I don't play on console, but hopefully someone who does can swoop in and save the day
dim glen
well, thk after you win the game can be fought again and again
formal salmon
i need hk to go on sale because im broke and need it on pc
speaking of its 8$ rn
dim glen
ya last time it was on sale it was around 7.99
dim glen
ye i just checked too
cold geyser
why is #randomizer locked behind the speedrun role? i like randomizer
dim glen
thats when i bought it
median gull
.?rank randomizer racer
dim glen
cus people speedrun it
sick ravenBOT
@cold geyser, you joined Randomizer Racer.
keen peak
I just completed my first live speedrun for Xbox and if it is excepted it will be a 1:32:59.85 time or around that, I know that is nowhere near the fastest but for me second ever and first live I think it was good. My first ever speedrun was about 3 hours so.
dim glen
thats nice
formal salmon
ok im curious can i just post any time on the LB to get verified? even if the time is bad? i always get nervous about submitting stuff
median gull
yes
verbal stag
yep
formal salmon
okie ty
dim glen
my best run so far is around 1h 47 cos i didnt take the meta path
median gull
there's a kp run that took 24h
median gull
not on LB tho
formal salmon
LMAO that was a fun run to watch
imagine grinding for essence for 40 hours, i would never
hes insane
dim glen
not on LB tho
well yeah
well no one else is silly enough to do that
so he keeps the record
formal salmon
once i finish the game im def gonna start setting up stream and learning this game
i need to learn movement better too
dim glen
omg
formal salmon
ooh oso i can just do a KP run and get verified?
median gull
yes
dim glen
yeah
formal salmon
im still VERY new to speedrunning
median gull
idk why would you do that but yes
dim glen
thats a lot
median gull
i can't say much, I only submitted a debug mode% run so far .-.
formal salmon
speedrunning has given me anxiety because i know the communities are nice and hepful but i hate being bad lmao
dim glen
i feel like any% nmg is the easiest to learn, but then again i didnt rly practice any other cat
formal salmon
keen cedar
anyone know if there's a version of debug that works with 1208?
fickle hearth
I chose any% nmg because its relatively fast and I feel like I'm cheating when I do big glitches in games lol
median gull
1208 or 1028? just to make sure
keen cedar
oh shit 1028 hahah sorry
verbal stag
what a link
keen cedar
awesome thanks a million
lusty orbit
Hello, I'm trying to speedrun the game but there's one issue that's preventing me from beating the game properly. The room with the Hollow Knight has constant stuttering which makes the fight nearly unplayable, and they carry over to Radiance for a couple minutes. So I have to spend minutes waiting for Radiance to show up after suffering through the horrendously stuttery Hollow Knight boss. Does anyone have any proper fix for this?
small magnet
Only things I can think of is turning down graphics settings and making sure vsync is off.
If all else fails you can lower the resolution
dim glen
Have you tried:
— changing the blur quality to medium? and then to low if medium didn't help?
— lowering Particle Quality? (the most of the game's slowdowns comes from lots of particles on the screen)
— moving the game folder to an SSD (or even a RAMDisk), to see if it's a disk load problem?
— resetting your NVidia Control Panel settings to default?
— turning off MSI Afterburner/RTSS/other OSD programs before launching the game?
— turning off XBox Game Bar?
— turning off Steam Overlay for HK?
— adding an exception for HK folder in your antivirus program?
— closing all software except Steam before launching the game?
— clean manual reinstall of graphics drivers?
lusty orbit
— changing the blur quality to medium? and then to low if medium didn't help?
— lowering Particle Quality? (the most of the game's slowdowns comes from lots of particles on the screen)
yes, graphics settings did not directly affect anything related to the stuttering pattern.
— moving the game folder to an SSD (or even a RAMDisk), to see if it's a disk load problem?
it's already in an ssd.
— resetting your NVidia Control Panel settings to default?
i have an AMD card, though i didn't change any settings for hollow knight
— turning off MSI Afterburner/RTSS/other OSD programs before launching the game?
uhhh i think these are all off
— turning off XBox Game Bar?
yes, it's off.
— turning off Steam Overlay for HK?
Yes. No difference.
— adding an exception for HK folder in your antivirus program?
Don't even have an antivirus! Hate that crap...
— closing all software except Steam before launching the game?
yes
— clean manual reinstall of graphics drivers?
yes
Sometimes the stutters fix themselves for no discernible reason. This is obviously not helpful.
lucid stirrup
-- making sure you aren't recording with streamlabs OBS? (using normal OBS should fix this)
cold geyser
i recommend getting an antivirus
lusty orbit
it happens even without the presence of obs
cold geyser
have you tried it in both windowed and full screen
lusty orbit
yep
jagged vault
Is this on patch 1221?
lusty orbit
latest patch
frozen dome
I decided to try out my 1st speedrun snd peoceeded to stay the next 3 hours fighting watcher knights
snow dome
FWIW I had the lag issue in thk and I couldn't even fix it.
I ended up buying a new computer
dim glen
I decided to try out my 1st speedrun snd peoceeded to stay the next 3 hours figh...
thats relatable
sonic crane
it gets better(tm)
deft flame
Hello, I'm trying to speedrun the game but there's one issue that's preventing m...
not sure if it would actually fix it but it might be worth it to try running the game through DXVK
steady lynx
Never realised how hard any% WK were until I tried running it
steady lynx
I am a man who leaves grubs behind in categories where I can
meager current
steady lynx
112 is 112 though
normal aspen
the all skills peak grub is the best to leave coz u have to literally go thru it
steady lynx
Jump over it like "yeah, what you gonna do about it?"
meager current
imagine if tc had put a grub jar in a random tight corridor on the any% route
so you had to break it
haughty fossil
they did, in beasts den 🙂
meager current
no thats still optional
haughty fossil
slashing the grub jar is optimal because knockback acceleration or something 
meager current
short spire
lies
meager current
except the jars dont even give knockback
ins0mnia stepping up for the bois
haughty fossil
hit the wall and the grubjar with the same nail slash
meager current
also fire does the right thing by leaving the grub
because it saves them from being eaten by grubfather
short spire
if you check out the fireborn ESA marathon run you can see he is clearly in favour of grub freedom 
meager current
no
he was forced
they should add a rule where saving grubs makes your run invalid 
obviously im joking
limpid ruin
I'll make you invalid for even suggesting ignoring grubs 😠
meager current
steady lynx
🗡️
normal aspen
youtube comment section%:
talk to elderbiug
rescue den grub
meager current
ikr
honestly elderbug doesnt deserver to be talked to
he is attention seeking
steady lynx
He talks too much
limpid ruin
I'd talk to elderbug if it didn't takr 20 years to do so
steady lynx
Comment section%
Talk to elderbug
Free the grub
Has to be done on steelsoul
Did I miss anything?
limpid ruin
Balls of steel mode?
meager current
XD
steady lynx
Oh gosh
normal aspen
steel soul elderbug grub seems like enough
meager current
a
steady lynx
Maybe compass as well, comment section loves that charm
meager current
ikr
short spire
don't ypu dare put den grub on the same level as hi to elderbug
elderbug is a bad meme cause it loses time
but grubs lets you be both fast and a good person
meager current
bruh
saving the grub means they will be eaten
so therefore its better to leave the grub
limpid ruin
also den grub is not mentioned on the same ratio at all
haughty fossil
saving the grub means they will be eaten
saving the grub means they get to ascend to a superior lifeform
ebon escarp
Hello everyone. I'm new here, and I was wondering if anyone knows of a good place that compares the main differences between 1.2.2.1 and 1.4.3.2, regarding Any% route. I tried to look around online, and the patch notes on the game is really long and I assume contains a lot of unrelated changes as long as the speedrun is concerned. Thanks in advance.
harsh mason
hearty adder
The route itself is the same except for the lever skip in Watcher's Spire
ebon escarp
you can't offscreen one shot the elder baldur before greenpath too, at least so I heard?
hearty adder
Yeah they patched that out
You have to do it regularly on cp
This video explains some differences between both patches
https://youtu.be/D68LWbb2GO4
ebon escarp
Awesome. Thank you very very much!
burnt grove
fireballs won't hit watcher knights when they're more than about a screen away from you
crystal relic
Is there a speedrunning mod or do I have to downpatch
knotty vigil
Hey, anyone else having problems to downpatch the GOG.com version?
Its greyed out for me
tranquil frigate
What do I need to do a Hollow Knight speedrun?
rugged crow
and preferably some knowledge on the route
stiff delta
I mean you could do it blind
You really just need the game and some way to record it
median gull
you also could do it without livesplit and run using load times
tranquil frigate
and a recording software
I don't think my pc can handle the game by recording it
median gull
non-optimal tho
rugged crow
I mean you could do it blind
yeah, but what src mod wants to verify a 40 hr casual playthrough?
stiff delta
Yea its a weenie move to the mods but you can do it
thorn jasper
Is there a speedrunning mod or do I have to downpatch
If you have the modding api / any mods installed, your run will be invalid on the main leaderboard. Just to clarify
median gull
95h nsoob nldg is verified tho
stiff delta
24 hour kp is verified
limpid ruin
Hey, anyone else having problems to downpatch the GOG.com version?
Hm, I never had issues in anything outside of it being unintuitive. You bought the game on gog right, and it's not open or anything?
tranquil frigate
Tnks
limpid ruin
Otherwise if you're not using gog galaxy you can download the 1221 installer I believe from gog.com website, if you find the game extras like manuals etc somewhere on the game page while logged in. That used to be the case for other games in the past at least
meager current
im trying to downpatch and the guide on speedrun.com confuses me
lusty orbit
not sure if it would actually fix it but it might be worth it to try running the...
No clue what that is
slim sigil
Hey I was wondering if anything in the current any% route is impossible on the latest patch
jagged vault
look at the current patch leaderboards
slim sigil
Oh thank you!
jagged vault
the route is identical, but a bit slower
rugged crow
im trying to downpatch and the guide on speedrun.com confuses me
what part is confusing you?
meager current
like all of it
jagged vault
some strategies (the spire lever skip is the main one) are impossible to do on current patch
meager current
median gull
jagged vault
median gull
some differences
median gull
LUL
slim sigil
Ok yeah thanks for all the help I’ll do something with all this!
median gull
those are only the negative differences btw
CP is a more optimized patch
that might feels better to run on
but lower strats and bad inv drop
jagged vault
yeah i recommend you watch some current patch runs to see the strategies used
slim sigil
Ok yeah I just got into the community and didn’t realize that was a thing
jagged vault
fireb0rn's any% tutorial series is for 1221 but he covers a lot of general strategy so that might be worth taking a look at still
it's a really good resource for learning the run
rugged crow
like all of it
fireborn made a video on downpatching, I would recommend watching it, to see what to do.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-aCaVTAUtc&list=PLfkLKB8O1Ff0-AApWYqqgFjMcMMVaW_JH
slim sigil
Ok thank you so much!
jagged vault
good luck learning! 
deft flame
No clue what that is
It's a directx -> vulkan translation layer. If you use it, it means you're gonna run the game in Vulkan, which could fix your issues if they're in any way related to graphics with a minimal performance hit. Using DXVK for hollow knight should be as easy as replacing one .dll file, you should google "DXVK on windows", there are multiple tutorials.
If DXVK doesnt fix it I'd think there is a big chance your issues aren't related to graphics at all, and then you should uninstall DXVK since it does have a minimal performance hit.
actually, now that i think about it, since you do have to replace one .dll i'm not entirely sure DXVK would be speedrun legal
but still worth to test it just to find out if directx is the problem here
haughty fossil
afaik those dlls replace windows dlls, not hk ones. still a little 🥴 though
deft flame
afaik those dlls replace windows dlls, not hk ones. still a little 🥴 though
i was under the impression that most windows games ship their own d3d DLLs but you might be right
wheat orbit
Is it just me or does uumuu sometimes do 4 attacks before quirrel comes?
limpid ruin
Sounds like it's just graphics drivers to me
Yea, uumuu does that sometimes
It's based on distance moved/time spent for uumuu
If its not moved a minimum amount before quirrel mark, it'll do an extra
haughty fossil
i don't think that's true? think somebody said uumuu FSM has nothing on distance moved/time
crystal relic
If you have the modding api / any mods installed, your run will be invalid on th...
Ah I see
limpid ruin
I think it's just time spent
But can't remember the specifics
Like quirrel arrives on a timer
And the distance moved is a product of time moved sorta
edgy kiln
Excuse me， how to set splits when I want to speedrun Colosseum Fight? I tried to set up the God Tamner （Boss） split，but it didn't stop when I killed the God Tamner. I also didn't find the last enemy splits of Colosseum Fight 1 and 2.
haughty fossil
"Colosseum Fight 3 (Trial)"?
wait nevermind, that wouldn't be the same for ILs. Tick End-Triggering Autosplit
simple ice
Individual colosseum speedruns don't use an auto split
you manually split when the final boss dies
haughty fossil
that being said, is there any reason this is the case when the autosplits exist, and we now have a way to force it to be the final split?
simple ice
I think the reason it was decided to be timed like this was because the split triggers are the colo rewards
So if you already picked up the notch/ore, it wouldn't split again
So it was to avoid having to reset the save each time
haughty fossil
but if using the boss splits, then will that still split immediately?
simple ice
I don't think there were boss splits for the colos, at least not when I ran them
haughty fossil
i'm guess gruz mother (boss) wouldn't work because there's two of them, and it's not the same fight anyway
edgy kiln
So just press pause manually when the final boss dies?
edgy kiln
OK，thanks.
simple ice
Good luck
limpid ruin
There're dedicated colo splits I think, they might work for speedruns on a clean save
meager current
hmm ive followed all the steps to downpatch from fires video but the game is still loading as cp
limpid ruin
hmm ive followed all the steps to downpatch from fires video but the game is sti...
Send a dm and we can walk through the guide slowly if you're in no rush and I can eat dinner etc first?
limpid ruin
Just a smol while
meager current
alright
simple ice
There're dedicated colo splits I think, they might work for speedruns on a clean...
The colo splits split on reward pickups, except for colo 3 which just splits a certain amount after the geo starts raining
You'd have to retime all current runs if you want to switch the timing for it
vernal pecan
I just had an idea for a new category. Steel Soul No Warps. Basically no shade skips and no warps of any kind, including stagways and quit-loads. The idea is to basically play the game as if it was one take in a movie, as fast as possible. I'm not a speed runner and don't know the kinds of categories that are fun to run for speed runners, but this seems like an interesting category that would be routed a bit differently from many of the others to me.
grizzled maple
This sounds like the ruleset for a challenge run rather than a speedrun.
meager current
ye
vernal pecan
well, sorta, but I feel like speed running this would be different from other speed runs in the game so it'd be something to change things up a bit.
limpid ruin
Sounds like something that was discussed a while ago. Could honestly be an interesting meme category "steelsoul no warp something%"
digital jewel
steel soul is already a thing. no save&quit and no stags would alter the routing but I don't know if that's actually interesting enough for someone to try it
limpid ruin
Stags should 100% be allowed tho. I kjnow vali expressed interest in doung it as a one time thing at least
haughty fossil
backtracking%... at least it has backwards dark deepnest?
limpid ruin
there's some interesting movement to take in regard if you have to backtrack
digital jewel
it'd be quite a bit longer and that extra time would be spend inefficiently backtracking where you'd usually just warp
hearty adder
Without stags it'd be more tedious than challenging imo
dim glen
That would take a while
haughty fossil
that's if it's even optimal to do dark deepnest if you can't quitout immediately from dream nail
vernal pecan
For me, I like feeling like I'm going through the game with minimal overlapping paths and often in my randomizer runs I don't use a stag station for quite a while, but it might just be faster to retrace old paths.
limpid ruin
yea, thats true. But efficiently routing in different statgs etc, and different geo priorities as fast as possible could be semi cool
there's bound to be a lot of backtracking tho
vernal pecan
Yeah, like getting to mc from hornet.
Anyway, just putting the idea out there in case anyone felt like their runs were stale or something.
thanks for hearing me out.
formal bough
if their runs are stale they can do low% TE
mild moon
There would only be a few differences from ssnsq, I think
The 3 stag trips in my route were after dream nail, after lurien, and after herrah
Now going to dream nail after crystal heart kills the run, and you probably want to do herrah before lurien and tram to city for lurien (similar to the 0 geo route)
meager current
i was watching monstahs 0 geo run earlier lol
limpid ruin
ssnsq?
digital jewel
steel soul no save n quit
limpid ruin
yea, that sounds like the same thing
deft flame
@normal aspen hey so small question, my run got rejected bc the video didnt include the title screen in the beggining showing the patch. Should I edit the rejected submission or make a new submission? or whichever is fine?
ionic sparrow
New submission
deft flame
New submission
thank you!
digital jewel
it makes no difference really
an edited submission will pop-up again in the queue as if it was new
ionic sparrow
Oh word? TIL
meager current
so uhh downpatching
deft flame
oh ok then
ionic sparrow
oh I guess normally when I edit submissions I just auto verify them so yeah that makes sense
meager current
i did everything in fires video and it still loads cp
limpid ruin
you should use the text guide on src bc fire's vid is outdated unfortunately
meager current
the src one confused me :/
limpid ruin
yea, just gotta take it one step at a time
meager current
so i have the patcher
where do i run it
it says 'unable to dump stack trace: filenotfound'
limpid ruin
the steam patcher from here?
meager current
yes
limpid ruin
i think you should just have to open it like this, while steam is open, and it should hook into steam to do this magic stuff
like thats just from double clicking the downloaded DepotDownpatcher
meager current
still saying that when i have steam open
meager current
it says 'unable to dump stack trace: filenotfound'
^
limpid ruin
try to open it as administrator?
meager current
like an hour ago
meager current
which one is that
limpid ruin
this section should walk you through it, even if it takes a bit more work (compared to the first method actually working, ofc 🥴 )
meager current
k
meager current
hmm
meager current
ok i have gotten the command to run
limpid ruin
meager current
31 % done
Also I had to change my password for that
This is what you call 'peak gamer memory'
versed elbow
Umm genuine question
If you hit Soul Warrior with enough Shade Souls at the beginning of the fight and his AI tells him to just walk at you in a straight line is that something that would be defined as "breaking AI"
Mainly asking because of this
meager current
ok so what do i do once the command has finished whatever it was doing
deft flame
If you hit Soul Warrior with enough Shade Souls at the beginning of the fight an...
does he not "recover" anymore? stays like that for the whole fight?
not that I know anything about it breaking the rules, just asking bc i got curious haha
versed elbow
I mean he dies in like 10 seconds. He might've been trying to get into position to do another attack.
versed elbow
I have no clue what happened.
meager current
soul warriors ai sucks
jagged vault
in normal runs this invalidates the run
in pantheons in 112% it's a time penalty
because it's at the tail end of a long run
meager current
the way he is programmed makes it so difficult for me to not break him
versed elbow
I'm about to upload the run. Should I just share it here and someone can check and see if the soul warrior AI "breaks"
jagged vault
yeah go ahead
versed elbow
Like I hit him at the start with 3 or 4 Shade Souls
And then he just walks at me for 5 seconds before he dies.
midnight vine
im pretty sure it is impossible, but i thought I would ask here too,
Does any method exist to get to Fungal Core without monarch wings?
stuck raptor
float
stuck raptor
"best" is subjective based on the situation
midnight vine
i guess like, which ones would work easiest
limpid ruin
I'm about to upload the run. Should I just share it here and someone can check a...
id say upload the clip of it here and we can can judge it
meager current
what do i do after the thing has finished downloading
stuck raptor
read the rest of the guide
limpid ruin
The Sanctum Warrior breaking is basically jsut a fact of hk
median gull
play the game
rugged crow
i guess like, which ones would work easiest
probably float, but I dont think it can be done on cp.
stuck raptor
haughty fossil
scroll up
limpid ruin
now go up to Installing and Multiple Installed Patches
stuck raptor
^
versed elbow
@limpid ruin The run is uploading. I'm gonna post with a timestamp
Timestamped
That AI
midnight vine
i dont wanna be asking redundant questions, but is there any glitch that works on current patch to get to fungal core?
or will they all require downpatching?
stuck raptor
float
midnight vine
ah, i didnt know that was current patch
meager current
i cant find where the depot downloader put my downpatched game
leaden python
https://youtu.be/OmKTaEzhu1c?t=210
yeah, this is broken AI
midnight vine
is there a guide i can reference for doing float on cp? Sorry to ask so much
versed elbow
leaden python
unlucky, yeah
stuck raptor
quick map, VS, quick map, then turn around and walk thru transition
versed elbow
Didn't think his AI would break that easily lol
median gull
Do you usually spell that VS with quick cast or the focus key?
meager current
it does
stuck raptor
quick cast
focus works too, usually for regular float, but timing is a bit faster for pfloat
so quick cast is easier
median gull
ty
meager current
so where does the depot downloader method put the game file
versed elbow
Goal is sub 5 with no Fury of the Fallen, so I have some practice to do
meager current
i checked where it said in install section
haughty fossil
so where does the depot downloader method put the game file
depotdownloader folder > depots > numbers > numbers
meager current
ok
midnight vine
is there a video so I can see float being done? I cant seem to do it and I think Im misunderstanding
haughty fossil
(and then down a few more layers)
stuck raptor
if you fail it on CP, you can't attempt again unless you quit out of the save
midnight vine
what constitutes a failure in this case?
stuck raptor
it not working
midnight vine
can you open quickmap beforehand?
stuck raptor
you don't open it. you tap the button for it
don't hold it down
it's a very fast 3 button presses
less than 1 second for all 3
tap, tap, tap
midnight vine
and how long do you have to get into the loading zone?
stuck raptor
forever
midnight vine
sweet, thank you
meager current
ye so bench nearby
midnight vine
and you use quickcast for it
stuck raptor
yes
midnight vine
thank you
stuck raptor
show where you put the game
meager current
meager current
i have that number in it
meager current
hmm
stuck raptor
steam_appid is not steam.appid
meager current
oh
stuck raptor
a dot is not an underscore
meager current
there
pog
it worked
imma real quick register this as a non steam game
so can i just launch this any time i need to or do i have to do weird things every time
haughty fossil
just launch it
meager current
pog the shortcuts run the correct versions each
keen cedar
anybody have a link for the 1028 modding api?
digital jewel
there's no modding api on 1028
limpid ruin
there's mini-debug in the any-percent pins tho
digital jewel
keen cedar
yeah i grabbed that, I thought I needed the api to run it?
digital jewel
no
it replaces your Assembly-CSharp.dll file
so make a backup of your current one
keen cedar
dope okay thank you
bleak scroll
did i do something wrong if my debug mod doesnt have save states?
digital jewel
1221?
bleak scroll
yeah
digital jewel
make sure you grabbed the latest version of debug mod
bleak scroll
mhm okay thanks ill check
digital jewel
bleak scroll
thanks a bunch!
little sable
Hey guys, am wanting to start speedrunning, what software should I use for timers recording ect
carmine yew
livesplit for timer, obs for recording
little sable
Thank you
carmine yew
there should be plenty of info in the pins to get you started
little sable
How do I acsess those?
carmine yew
there should be a little thumb tack icon close to the channel description
little sable
Ok
bleak scroll
press the pin on the right top
ig
little sable
Thank you
old sphinx
carmine yew
oh yeah and if youre on mobile just swipe left and then youll see the same thing
tranquil frigate
Who do I have to send the Speedrun tests to to get the rank?
formal bough
thorn jasper
Who do I have to send the Speedrun tests to to get the rank?
if you want the Discord role then post your verified run here and an src mod will grant it
grizzled maple
It's because this section of the server is a sub server of the main discord. It just grew a lot bigger than anyone ever imagined.
It's not really a test lol you can submit any run you want, it's just to confirm you're actually interested in competitive speedrunning.
true hound
any tips for qga? When I did it on invincible mode, there seems to be an incredibly small area where you can actually crystal dash. how do i consistently hit that spot, and how do i practice that?
digital jewel
it is a very small spot
you can practice the two totally consistent parts of the trick in another environment:
-dashing into a wall and charging a cdash without losing height
-jumping off a wall after hitting it with cdash without losing height
when you're comfortable with those timings the trick becomes just about getting the exact correct spot
which is still hard
heady sundial
Hello, I’ve been running the switch version of HK for the past month or so, and am just moving to PC. Should I invest the time into learning M&K or just stick to controller?
stuck raptor
It's all preference. KB holds no real advantage over controller in this game or vice versa
digital jewel
depends which one you're more comfortable using
heady sundial
Alright, thanks
small magnet
Speaking of roles, I finally got a run verified! May I blue name?
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/y2v9rjjz
versed elbow
Meh, I'mma go eat something then go for my first Any% NMG run. I was gonna wait till I was able to sleep in this weekend, but I feel pretty good right today.
For console runs you start after choosing difficulty and end on the blackscreen after Hollow Knight kill and absorb?
heady sundial
I believe so, that’s where I always start
small magnet
Woo! Thank you, guys. I've got my SOB down to 47:08, but I haven't been able to put together a full sub 50 run yet 😦
heady sundial
Congrats
small magnet
I keep either choking on WK, QGA or THK.
versed elbow
I expect to be playing decently well then get hard stuck on the WK
heady sundial
Sounds like every run of mine
small magnet
I've done all in practice and been able to down them consistently, but the moment I try to put it into a run I choke 😦
versed elbow
I've watched Fireb0rn's video on the strat for them like 3 times now, practiced them in the boss room of the pantheon (so it is skewed because of the endgame upgrades and such, but it's generally similar in strat just slower overall kill time) and I still expect them to run my shit.
small magnet
I think I get this mental tilt whenever I make one dumb play and it turns into me panicking and getting smacked on in the rest of the fight until I'm dead lol
versed elbow
It's gonna be my first run, so like I won't have the stress of missing a PB or ruining a run because of it.
small magnet
So I tend to either do really well on WK or really poorly. I think if I could just chill out and recover from a dumb hit it wouldn't be so bad
versed elbow
Hopefully that lets me keep a good mindset throughout the run and not stress myself out.
small magnet
You'll do great 👍
Just getting a run done feels awesome
It's like "omg I'm a speedrunner. A bad speedrunner. But a speedrunner" lol
versed elbow
Haha, I remember that feeling with Mario Odyssey.
Finishes first run
AYYY I DID A SPEEDRUN. An awful one, but a speedrun.
dim glen
Thats a good feeling tho
small magnet
This is my first game ever attempting to speedrun, so I'm still riding the high of just having my first verified run lol.
main oasis
I need help with livesplit. I get an update notice for the autosplitter, so I press Yes. Livesplit restarts but the update notice doesn’t go away. How would I fix this?
wanton tulip
first run, not terrible
versed elbow
Damn. Nice
wanton tulip
lost a shit ton of time in beast den cause literally last devout killed me twice
versed elbow
I've watched every Fireb0rn guide. I can't wait for all of it to go straight out of my head mid-run
wanton tulip
🙃
small magnet
Awesome run, Kobalt!
versed elbow
Kobalt felt that one personally. You ever just in the middle of a speedrun and forget how to hold a controller?
wanton tulip
YEP
versed elbow
My personal worst enemy is getting a massive gold split then getting super excited and messing up something really easy after because my hands are shaking.
meager current
my worst enemy is blisters
wanton tulip
oof yeah
meager current
i get them all the time at the end of runs
wanton tulip
watcher knights on a good pace
meager current
and mess up thk
versed elbow
I have a friend who had blister problems, but unrelated. He was a guitar player.
undone coral
?rank randomizer racer
sick ravenBOT
@undone coral, you joined Randomizer Racer.
undone coral
Ah thanks
vocal dove
anyone else have issues with the latest streamlabs update?
versed elbow
Randomizer speedrunning sounds like a goddamn nightmare
rose girder
weird question, is it worth practicing any% with debug for infinite health and soul? im considering it as a way to just learn the route before i actually get good at the not-dying part
rose girder
ahhh ok
versed elbow
Mainly because there are parts when you need a specific amount of soul for a certain trick
and you might as well get good at getting that amount of soul
rose girder
makes sense.
versed elbow
If you wanna learn how to do the trick first tho, yea infinite soul wouldn't be a bad idea
rose girder
i was practicing the fireball skips in greenpath with infinite soul a while ago and back when i tried i was still kinda mediocre at it
i imagine im even more mediocre at it now, i took a break and like... i keep dying in forgotten crossroads 
versed elbow
Don't worry, I had a personal low today
I was doing Pantheon of the Master runs
and died to Gruz Mother
vestal lantern
Hey I was setting up my splits in livesplit for 112%, and I was wondering whether the splits "Grimm Flame 1" "Grimm Flame 2" and "Grimm Flame 3" triggered multiple times (once for each cycle), do any of you know?
limpid ruin
I need help with livesplit. I get an update notice for the autosplitter, so I pr...
Where/which folder do you have livesplit installed?
main oasis
A folder on my C drive I named tools
limpid ruin
Hey I was setting up my splits in livesplit for 112%, and I was wondering whethe...
I think only once, bc it checks if a split has been added to the "is Done" pool for each split, so duplicates have automatically been done before
limpid ruin
A folder on my C drive I named tools
Well that's really weird. What version do you have currently? Might work to just say no to the update tbh 
vestal lantern
Unfortunate! Thanks for the help!
limpid ruin
Good luck on runs tho 
vestal lantern
Thanks :)
main oasis
It was offering to update to v2.8.6.0
Does it make a difference that hollow knight is on my hard drive instead of my c drive?
limpid ruin
Nah it shouldnt make a difference, as long as its in a path/folder you've access rights to
I wonder why it's not working tho 
digital jewel
stable builds are usually more stable 🙂
main oasis
guess I’ll try using it
I’ve been having this weird bug where the timer just stops and trying to resume it does nothing, so it’s probably for the better
haughty fossil
anyone else have issues with the latest streamlabs update?
found a solution to the slobs update problems 🙂
true hound
first run, not terrible
how did you do that text font?
snow dome
how did you do that text font?
You can just select a font in the layout settings
true hound
thank you
i still cant do qga, im having problems getting to the right spot to crystal dash. my strat so far has been to mini hop and dash to the highest part of the wall, and then spam crystal dash until it works. it worked a couple times but i just slide into the acid. how do i find the right spot?
oh
im too high
digital jewel
spamming is a really really bad idea
true hound
im going to pb by 100 hours because that was my last playthrough
digital jewel
like I said you want to practice dashing into a wall and crystal dashing without losing height
true hound
i can do that consistently
its just when i press the crystal dash button nothing happens most of the time
haughty fossil
that's what you need to practice
digital jewel
yes that's because you're too high on the wall
the solution isn't to spam cdash, because then you're just throwing away part of the trick that should be consistent
true hound
what im doing now is trying to hop as low as I can and then dashing and long pressing crystal dash
digital jewel
ok that's good
limpid ruin
my tip is internalise a rhythm for it
true hound
how much time does this skip save on average?
limpid ruin
come in through transition, dash, minimum height hop, dash, cdash, all in a rhythm
digital jewel
on average depends a lot on your movement
haughty fossil
30-40s depending on how good your qg movement is
digital jewel
it saves 40s if done very well
limpid ruin
honestly, do deepnest for now
QGA will be infinitely easier when you come back to it with more general experience
main oasis
Why do you hit the doors with an upslash in King’s Pass?
true hound
no knockback
haughty fossil
on 1221 the doors knock you back
main oasis
Oh
main oasis
Cp doesn’t?
haughty fossil
yeah not on cp
main oasis
I see
haughty fossil
i still upslash anyway for the time i do eventually get a pc good enough for 1221
true hound
it saves 40s if done very well
40s? i thought you skip the entirety of dung defender and ismas tear section
versed elbow
You don't have to learn QGA at the very beginning, Radiance. Just so you know.
true hound
true
digital jewel
no you can just go to herrah through deepnest
digital jewel
40 seconds
versed elbow
Ah
true hound
i thought it saved like way more time
versed elbow
Yea, like I'm not going for E-Pogo or QGA on my first run (E-Pogo because I'm on CP)
digital jewel
haughty fossil
deepnest route is quite comfy 
main oasis
1221 requires a better pc?
haughty fossil
1221 was very poorly optimised, so yes
digital jewel
you can get down to a 34/35 with deepnest route if you really want
haughty fossil
they only optimised the game when they realised they were going to release on switch and the game.... wouldn't run
main oasis
true hound
this is my first 1221 speedrun, should i just wait until there are significantly less options to pb before doing it? what is the goal time before attempting qga if i were to do that?
haughty fossil
whatever you're comfortable with honestly
some people find qga quite easy after minimal practice, they'll start getting it consistently in runs quite early on
true hound
ive gotten it only like 4 times in 15 minutes
i could just learn it now and get it out of the way
haughty fossil
other people like me find it difficult to do consistently, and just prefer to finish the run. again, it's only 40s, you can get very respectable times before even thinking about doing it in runs
main oasis
Is there a way to bind livesplit hotkeys to none?
haughty fossil
believe pressing escape unbinds them
true hound
you can disable global hotkeys
personally i found fireball skips so much harder, the fist one in greenpath took me like 2.5 hours to land it once, much less consistently
digital jewel
if you think you'll respond better to getting easier PBs now then you should skip learning it. if you think you'd prefer to get better times but be stuck a little for the moment then keep learning it
true hound
you're right
digital jewel
really it's just about where your motivation is
true hound
im going to keep learning it
main oasis
Oh the hotkeys were binded the same as my movement so I had to unbind it
haughty fossil
you probably want at least the undo split and reset hotkey available, the former because for some reason gruz mother likes to split on reentering the game randomly (at least for me) 🥴
versed elbow
Yep, in hotkey settings for livesplits
true hound
thank you
haughty fossil
default numpad8, yes. if the autosplitter messes up or something you can just go back. numpad2 also skips splits, in case you want to quickly prevent a false split from being recorded (eg. did route in wrong order, now livesplit thinks you picked up shade soul 20s after cdash )
true hound
back when i ran current patch (highly inefficient route) soul master used to randomly split sometimes and i just reset the 2hr run
true hound
is qga guaranteed to be (possibly) successful if you get the crystal dash?
like if you get the crystal dash, is it possible to complete the skip 100% of the time?
snow dome
No
haughty fossil
maybe not 20s, but i was eluding to just having your splits in the wrong order compared to when you pick them up
true hound
lets say you nail the wallhop every single time
snow dome
That side is much easier, but depends on the first side
true hound
if you get the crystal dash are you guaranteed
snow dome
If you're too low it's sometimes impossible
true hound
i apolgize for my inadequacy at english but is there a height that you can get the c dash but not the wallhop
versed elbow
CDash in right spot = QGA
haughty fossil
the window you have on the other side is dependent on how high your cdash is on the right side
true hound
plot twist
snow dome
Lol
haughty fossil
so if you have a really bad cdash, you could only have a 1frame window to press jump
true hound
meanwhile absolute pest be like
what is the timeframe for successfully wallhopping? should you try as soon as you hit the wall, or wait?
haughty fossil
wait
it's when the animation is over
some people cancel the cdash slightly early so they can see when the animation ends easier
versed elbow
^this is actually something that gets me during the first acid skip
true hound
im confused
versed elbow
I always try to mash jump
versed elbow
No no
versed elbow
that's the wrong way to do it
true hound
aight thank you ill spam from now on
versed elbow
I don't know the timing
lucid stirrup
learn timing
versed elbow
I managed the trick exactly once
lucid stirrup
if you spam again the spam monster will come for you
he is made of spam
you dont want this
true hound
that one you just fall off and press c dash
versed elbow
I get that part
true hound
big ez
versed elbow
I mess up the wall hop timing
lucid stirrup
do it a bunch until you get it everytime
other thing about deepnest route from earlier. if you are actually good enough to get a 34 with deepnest route, you are good enough to get a 34 with qg route with minimal practice
true hound
idk why but the qga room is so much brighter and its hard to see when the c dash light stops
at this point im not sure whether to aim for the optimal speedrun for my first time or not do qga and go deepnest
*first time for 1221
versed elbow
I have to wait to do my first run. My buddy is begging me to let him be an Xbox party with me while I do it lol. He wants to hear my reaction to finishing a run.
lucid stirrup
its up to you, personally id recommend just learning qga and practicing the shit out of qg
true hound
i think practicing qga is pretty fun (yes im a psychopath) so yeah i think ill do that
true hound
but omg the fireball skips earlier in the run were hell
versed elbow
and hear me rage at Watcher Knights which is inevitable.
lucid stirrup
same thing with fireball skips, have 34 and still practice them
true hound
you do 34 fireball skips wtf
versed elbow
I think Glost means they have a 34:XX
true hound
oh lol my bad
granite field
and hear me rage at Watcher Knights which is inevitable.
who doesn't raged at those even once? lol
limpid ruin
if you get the crystal dash are you guaranteed
You can land so low the game doesn't have frames to jump before sliding into the acid
formal bough
no gwonkee has a custom route with 34 fireball skips clearly
versed elbow
who doesn't raged at those even once? lol
They were designed to make you rage. I stand by this.
true hound
rage at what sry
granite field
WK
versed elbow
WK
versed elbow
You mean, sonic the hedgehog fanclub?
true hound
cosplay session yes
lucid stirrup
You can land so low the game doesn't have frames to jump before sliding into the...
i used to think this, but everytime i think im as low as possible without hitting acid, i still get the jump by canceling cdash before hitting wall
true hound
for me, i raged a lot in my first playthrough against the watcher knights, but now (at least in cp) i rage more regularly against uuwuu'
lucid stirrup
i think its always possible, but might be frame perfect if you are on lowest pixel
true hound
also glostkee can you tell us your 34 fireball skip route
versed elbow
So, I setup my LiveSplits timer. Watcher Knights are "Sonic Fanclub" and Uumuu is Uuwuu
lucid stirrup
lmao
limpid ruin
Depends on whether gravity works faster than the input handling or not i think, aka so low you literally don't dash before losing a pixel of height
haughty fossil
yo is that any% wr holder gwonkee old joke i should cease
limpid ruin
But yea, qga is as consistent as the player performing it tbf so
versed elbow
Hollow Knight is now "Big Bro"
It feels fitting.
lucid stirrup
Depends on whether gravity works faster than the input handling or not i think, ...
i dont dash after cancelling cdash i just cancel and wall jump
formal bough
~~yo is that any% wr holder gwonkee <:feelspkman:639636442821165056>~~ old joke ...
yo is that 4th place aluba% we have here I'm a big fan of your content
lucid stirrup
same as the other top 10 runs
true hound
lmao what is aluba%
limpid ruin
i dont dash after cancelling cdash i just cancel and wall jump
Yea, I meant both dash and walljump under there, but buffers in this game make no sense so won't say for absolutely sure
haughty fossil
yo is that 4th place aluba% we have here I'm a big fan of your content
look the number would be lower but i have school ok 
sacred arrow
so if i speed run i that enought if i capture a video or must it be a stream?
true hound
no, you can record with one
carmine yew
Video is fine
limpid ruin
If you can walljump, you couldve dashed with the same timing, basically
lucid stirrup
yea makes sense
carmine yew
It just needs game audio
true hound
I’m sorry I’m on my phone now
haughty fossil
as long as you actually record and don't end up with an unrecorded wr
true hound
autocorrect is being useful as ever
haughty fossil
nobody in the hk community has ever done that
lucid stirrup
nobody in the hk community has ever done that
haughty fossil
true hound
these emotes are on another level
sacred arrow
so that should be okay ?
true hound
how is that a spoiler
true hound
xd ur fine
carmine yew
That is good assuming you’re capturing audio properly
lucid stirrup
yep thats good
sacred arrow
yeah audio is captured
carmine yew
More German runners 
haughty fossil
sacred arrow
yeah but my speed runs are all over 1 hour so
versed elbow
Gotta start somewhere right?
true hound
tbf my first speedrun was 122 hours
sacred arrow
i just want to be on an official page with one of my runs so i play on patch 1.4.3.2 so there is just one on the speed runners. com side so i can easy get second place xD
true hound
wasn’t really a speedrun
versed elbow
The hell did you speedrun? Runescape?
carmine yew
There is more than one current patch runner lol
sacred arrow
rly?
carmine yew
Did you click the current patch nmg tab?
versed elbow
Yea, there are at least 2. I'm running CP too
carmine yew
If there is a 1432 run on the main boards it is because they requested it or it got sorted incorrectly
versed elbow
I'm the true Unicorn here. I'm a console runner
sacred arrow
thats what fireborn is talking about
carmine yew
Wait what lol
median gull
Click at Current Patch NMG
lucid stirrup
limpid ruin
I have a feeling your src is dying 🥴
lucid stirrup
this is real cp boards
versed elbow
It's if you filter current patch guys
sacred arrow
when i klick on no major skips
sacred arrow
that what i thought
carmine yew
Yeah so that run is meant to be on the current patch boards
sacred arrow
so is there a difference between no major glitches and nmg patch
dry sluice
I got it
lucid stirrup
also, who is cryptonyte?
haughty fossil
iaflk
sacred arrow
so if i play on 1.4.3.2 and finish my game in 2 hours
i should be on the board under him right?
haughty fossil
yes
versed elbow
Wait... How? How did a console get a no load times run?
limpid ruin
You'll have finished under 2 hours and will go behind them, yeup
haughty fossil
andreww doesn't play on console
sacred arrow
easy
haughty fossil
what is going on here 
versed elbow
Stares at PS4
lucid stirrup
idk
limpid ruin
What's going on here is that src has horrible data handling ux 
haughty fossil
PS4 is the default option when you go to submit a run, i presume he forgot to change it and so did the verifier
haughty fossil
same
lucid stirrup
better question, why is ps4 the default 
haughty fossil
What's going on here is that src has horrible data handling ux <:ax2uHappy:71602...
this
sacred arrow
okay so maybe you see me soon on the leaderboard lol hopefully
limpid ruin
Let me just promise you, I'm way too weak sighted to see anything on the boards
sacred arrow
im still confuised there are so many peopel they play on 1.4.3.2 and i play on this version too so do i play on the current patch ?
versed elbow
Yes
cursive stirrup
do the mods accepts scuffed recordings of monitors? i don't have a capture card yet and i'm playing console
dry sluice
1.4.3.2 is current patch
versed elbow
You are a current patch runner, Divinie
carmine yew
Yeah that’s fine
dry sluice
yes bmc
sacred arrow
so i cant be on the no major glitches side
carmine yew
You can
lucid stirrup
nmg - no major glitches
versed elbow
The category is called "Current Patch NMG"
versed elbow
how do you record a run on console?
How much money you willing to spend? There are 2 answers
lucid stirrup
yes it is
limpid ruin
do the mods accepts scuffed recordings of monitors? i don't have a capture card ...
Yep, that's fine as long as there's game audio
lucid stirrup
you but isnt that my cat then
current patch nmg is just the same thing as the other catagory, but you have to play on 1.4.3.2
on the other one, you can play on whatever patch you want, so most people play on 1.2.2.1
versed elbow
Like I use a capture card to record mine with OBS to put LiveSplits on the same screen. Some people just record the screen with a camera.