speedrunning

[jaunty anvil]

u can

walk off edges n do it

oh sorry u just wrote that haha

[pastel mortar]

im on current patch and i did it with dash but yeah with walking couldnt do it, so that makes sense

[jaunty anvil]

u can also do a fast drop w dreamnail off of ledges

[pastel mortar]

ah nice

[snow dome]

What do you mean? Like you were dashing in the air and still managed to do it?

[pastel mortar]

not in the air, but off a ledge

[snow dome]

Or you dashed off a ledge?

Yeah

[pastel mortar]

yeah

is this the place to tell about glitches or somewhere else?

idk if this glitch is known or not

not very game breaking but still

[rugged crow]

is what a glitch? inventory dropping? no

[haughty fossil]

this is probably the best place for them

[limpid ruin]

its probably known, but shoot your suggestion/question :3

[pastel mortar]

cool

i found that if you let go of a nail art while bouncing on the mushroom plants in fungal wastes they become regular platforms that you can just stand on (even heal!) charging a nail art also really messes with the physics for some reason

once you jump on it again it resets tho

works consistently

[snow dome]

Yeah, there's tonnes of ways to mess with those mushrooms

[rugged crow]

yes! that's know, dive does the same thing.

[haughty fossil]

you can do that with inventory drops too (though obviously a lot easier on 1221)

[pastel mortar]

nice

[jaunty anvil]

hey i wanna get into HK speedrunning , but i only hav a mid tier laptop that pisses it's pants when obs n hollow knight r running at the same time (especially on the older patch)

[snow dome]

This is required for Geo Rock Rando 👀

[limpid ruin]

its a really cool glitch

Current patch is a very real and good alternative for performance

[haughty fossil]

@jaunty anvil fellow laptop gamer, you don't have to run 1221 to play hk, we have cp boards available for that reason

[jaunty anvil]

yeah im thinking

of running CP

but CP still doesnt rly

[limpid ruin]

Downpatched struggles already with good PCs 🥴

[jaunty anvil]

recording lags it heaps

[pastel mortar]

also i only recently found out that you can activate dash slash with dashmaster while dashing down

its like activating it without the penalty of moving forward

[limpid ruin]

Whats your encoder and recording settings?

[haughty fossil]

murmur what laptop specs do you have? it could just be obs settings being 🥴

[jaunty anvil]

uhhhh

[pastel mortar]

(not really a penalty actually but yeah)

[haughty fossil]

cerpin and i continuing to share a hivemind

[jaunty anvil]

ok im rlly gay n bad w computers so uh

how do i check my

laptop specs

[snow dome]

If you're laptop really can't do it, you can just have LiveSplit open and record using a camera

[pastel mortar]

lol what does being gay have to do with your ability to deal with computers

[limpid ruin]

Turning down resolution and bitrates etc could help a ton for recording smoothness

[haughty fossil]

dw about that for now, obs settings matter more

[snow dome]

I'm gay and good with computers so together we're a whole person

[jaunty anvil]

@pastel mortar nothing i just see alotta lgbt ppl here n i wanna fkn let them know im gay too >x<

ANYWAY

[pastel mortar]

aww

[snow dome]

👀

[haughty fossil]

idk im gay and i spend an unhealthy amount of time debugging incredibly simple errors 🥴

[snow dome]

[pastel mortar]

i am also gay

[haughty fossil]

hence im bad with computers

[pastel mortar]

hehe

[limpid ruin]

wait wut i never used dashmaster but i love that 👀

[snow dome]

Hands up who isn't gay?

[pastel mortar]

oh wait you asked who isnt

[snow dome]

Lol owned

[pastel mortar]

[jaunty anvil]

ok im checking my obs

[pastel mortar]

my brain isnt working rn

[pastel mortar]

yeah its really cool

[limpid ruin]

also which OBS variant are you using. Murmur?

[snow dome]

You can down dash into a dash Slash into a mushroom and still bounce.

[pastel mortar]

[jaunty anvil]

i hav both streamlabs and regular obs

so i can use which ever is the best

[haughty fossil]

yeah murmur as somebody who used to swear by slobs until cerpin yelled at me to stop, use obs studio, slobs uses about 4x as much cpu

[limpid ruin]

If you need to eek out every bit of possible performance Ive heard OBS Studio is better than SLOBS, but I never looked into it tbh

[snow dome]

Obs

SLOBS is way more intense

[jaunty anvil]

also i guess i can use default windows recording but that doesnt hav the ability 2 do the

[snow dome]

I only open stream labs to make alerts

[jaunty anvil]

hav livesplit on top

[limpid ruin]

OBS Studio has way more control for just simple things like trouble shooting

[jaunty anvil]

actually , also is there a way 2 display livesplit over the top of the game

[snow dome]

In general or in OBS?

[haughty fossil]

obs is probably more efficient than windows recording actually (don't quote me on that but )

[snow dome]

In general you will need to play Hollow Knight in windowed mode

[jaunty anvil]

im not too fussed about that but it'd b nice 2 see my splits while playinh

ah i see

[snow dome]

Then at LiveSplit to always on top

[jaunty anvil]

is windowed mode like

[snow dome]

You can play it windowed and make the window as big as your screen

[jaunty anvil]

does it affect how it runs ?

[snow dome]

Err not sure

[limpid ruin]

a tiny bit, but its negligible

[haughty fossil]

iirc there was not really much benefit to fullscreen over windowed

ok can i stop being 🐌 today

[jaunty anvil]

cool , no imput lag ?

input lag makes me cry and break furnature

[limpid ruin]

If your PC is from more recent than 2005 nothing youd notice

[haughty fossil]

if you're on a laptop, any input lag you get from anything will be miniscule compared to what you're already used to (unless you turn on vsync)

[jaunty anvil]

ok cool cool

[haughty fossil]

iirc there is a slightly hacky solution to get livesplit over hk - if you enter the game in windowed then press Alt-Enter then windows forces it into a fullscreen mode, but where it's still technically a window (so livesplit can still show on top)

[limpid ruin]

and if that doesnt work, i found the post: #speedrunning message

[haughty fossil]

also THIS PROGRAM

it won't display over something that won't want to be displayed over, but it allows you to set transparency and stuff

[jaunty anvil]

ooo that is nice

[haughty fossil]

i use this a lot, very good, recommend

[jaunty anvil]

yeah i kinda dont want fkn

ugly ass box covering half my fkn screen

[limpid ruin]

dont judge me and my pretty box

[haughty fossil]

put an anime character as livesplit bg, at least that's what some people do

[jaunty anvil]

haha nah ill prlly make it transperent

ok so

how do i make my obs the least computer cucking as possible

[haughty fossil]

this, if your pc is still dying lower the bitrate (in output settings)

oh but this only works if your laptop has an nvidia gpu

[limpid ruin]

wtf do you run at 6k jamie

[haughty fossil]

look i like my bitrates high

[jaunty anvil]

o should i stream over record

[limpid ruin]

depends what you want :3

[haughty fossil]

some people really like streaming, other people prefer to just do runs

[jaunty anvil]

kinda just wanna do runs for time being , i dont own a mic or headphones ROFL

[pastel mortar]

[limpid ruin]

which encoder options do you have?

[jaunty anvil]

cerpin idk what an encoder is

[pastel mortar]

lmao

[jaunty anvil]

also is low ass bitrate good ?

[limpid ruin]

its the dropdown menu

[jaunty anvil]

ooo should i make it faster or slower ?

[limpid ruin]

you probably want to up the bitrate a bit. Its basically: "how much data can I use to make this frame/image" -computer

[jaunty anvil]

mmm

how high should i make it

500 ?

501 ?

[limpid ruin]

hard to say, a bit of testing is needed, but starting at 1000 maybe, then lower if the test recording lags

[pastel mortar]

502

[haughty fossil]

i'd start with 1000 and increase if output looks too trash/decrease if computer dies

[jaunty anvil]

think i was originally at 1000 so

i might try like 800

[haughty fossil]

the encoder setting matters a lot more

[jaunty anvil]

right

ok so

what should i do w encoder

[haughty fossil]

if you have an nvidia gpu, pick NVENC

if you have an intel gpu, pick QSV

[jaunty anvil]

umm

[limpid ruin]

if you have an intel igpu, cry

[jaunty anvil]

uhh

my laptop has alil sticker in the corner that says "intel core i7"

so do i cry now or ?

[haughty fossil]

to find out which, press control-alt-delete, click "Task Manager", click "More details", click the tab at the top that says "Performance", then GPU on the left hand side

[limpid ruin]

click and youll see what you have available as well (will likely look different)

[haughty fossil]

if it says Intel UHD graphics and there isn't another one then you are allowed to cry

[jaunty anvil]

uh oh

[haughty fossil]

[jaunty anvil]

so um

[pastel mortar]

[jaunty anvil]

am i just fucked or

[haughty fossil]

mayb

[jaunty anvil]

my two encoding options r

software x264 and hardware QSV

[haughty fossil]

try hardware qsv

[jaunty anvil]

n which encoder preset ? the fastest

[haughty fossil]

ye

[jaunty anvil]

also ok this might b a totally noob question but does the file type i save recordings as matter at all ?

[haughty fossil]

mkvs don't embed in discord which i find really annoying, but if your recording crashes or something then mkvs will persist, whereas mp4s and movs will not be recoverable

that being said if your pc crashes then it's unlikely your run survives

[jaunty anvil]

cool thnx 4 the info !

ok i gues i'll test out how the game runs with this

[limpid ruin]

i use mkv, then remux into mp4, which takes extra time but it lets me have the best of both worlds

gl

[jaunty anvil]

k brb

btw thankyu all for helping me so much

[haughty fossil]

cerpin what if i REALLY need to post this clip of me doing underplat????

like now?????

[limpid ruin]

thats when you buy a top end pc to remux extra fast

[haughty fossil]

ah that's where i've been going wrong

[small magnet]

I just keep buying a new computer and returning it every 2 weeks. Top end performance for free. ezpz

[pastel mortar]

[jaunty anvil]

update: i can run the game n record !!! however the recordings r like 3 fps :/

[haughty fossil]

might want to up your bitrate and lower your output resolution

[jaunty anvil]

hmm it's not rlly chamging much

ive been tweaking alotta stuff

but nothings rlly working

[snow dome]

What did you change your output resolution to?

[haughty fossil]

might also recommend changing your encoder setting to "balanced" for quicksync, as its performance mode can be a little 🥴

[snow dome]

There should be a wizard that sets most of this for you, right?

[trim ferry]

Beat my PB last night by 5 min.

Im near beating the game in just a hour

[sonic crane]

Sweet!

[hearty adder]

I can help some

I also use a meh laptop for runs

And had big framerate & gpu problems until i finally figured it out

I can help more either thru here or dms

[snow dome]

You should do it here and then we can all watch 👀

[hearty adder]

Good point

I will do it here for everyone's amusement (if you want further help)

[worthy sluice]

I beat 2!!! Almost 3

At Wk i mean

[fringe turtle]

Hey I’m having a issue with my controller not working on down patched hollow knight, I’m using a ps4 controller

[wanton otter]

Idk if it even counts as speedrun but I did PoP TWICE IN UNDER 1 HOUR

[jagged vault]

if you did it with the intention to go fast then it's a speedrun!

there's no arbitrary time limit or anything like that

ggs!

[thorn jasper]

I did PoP TWICE
The second time sounds like it counts as a speedrun

[snow dome]

Unplug your controller, start hollow knight, plug it in at the main menu

[fringe turtle]

It is still not working

[snow dome]

You might need to use a program like X Controller or whatever to sign the PS4 buttons to keys to make it work. I think I've heard of this problem before

[fringe turtle]

Yeah it just does not what to register my inputs

[snow dome]

Does it work elsewhere?

[fringe turtle]

Yeah my controller works on all my other games except down patched hollow knight

I got it working one time but now it just doesn’t work at all

[harsh pasture]

Hello! I am having trouble with my DS4 on patch 1221. The Left and Right on the D-Pad go up and down and the Up and Down on the D-Pad do nothing. The left joystick, the Left and Right do left and right and the Up and Down do nothing.

[fringe turtle]

I’m also having controller issues too dude

[harsh pasture]

Yeah man, it's for real lol

I have been working on this for days.

Wired it works just fine. Wireless is no luck

[fringe turtle]

I have mine wired and it just does not want to work

I just wanna speedrun 😦

[harsh pasture]

For wired, I got it to work by disconnected and then reconnecting while on the main menu

[fringe turtle]

Yeah that has no luck for me

[harsh pasture]

Are you using Steam?

[fringe turtle]

Yep

[harsh pasture]

Does Steam detect it as a DS4?

[fringe turtle]

It says it’s a ps4 controller

Which that is what I’m using

[harsh pasture]

Hmmmm I don't know then lol

[fringe turtle]

For some reason when I plug it in there’s no volume as well

[harsh pasture]

Oh that's because windows is defaulting to the controller for sound. You need to change that to your normal speakers

[fringe turtle]

How would I do that?

Maybe that has to do with the problem

[harsh pasture]

Windows 10?

[fringe turtle]

Yeah that’s what I have

[harsh pasture]

Click the sound icon in the bottom right and then click the source and change it to your speakers.

[fringe turtle]

Ah okey thanks!

Let’s see if that fixes my input issue

Yeah no it just fixes the audio issue

[harsh pasture]

Does your's work fine on current patch?

[fringe turtle]

Yep

It’s just down patched for some reason

[harsh pasture]

Hah, now mine isn't even detecting my controller when wireless

[nocturne field]

Hey all, I'm having an issue on patch 1.2.2.1 where if I don't pre-emptively rebind my attack key it won't work at all until I rebind it, and it resets like this every run causing me quite a few seconds.

[dull birch]

Do you have enable native controller input in the options on or off? That can cause weirdness sometimes, I find

[grizzled maple]

is it on mouse ender?

if so don't use that or use a program that remaps your mouse to a kb key

[harsh pasture]

I have tried both.

[fringe turtle]

It seems like every one is having controller issues lol

[grizzled maple]

at least ender's is a common and known bug

it sucks for ps4 controller users though because not too many people use it, and therefore know how to fix it

[harsh pasture]

Do Xbox controllers work seamlessly?

[grizzled maple]

yep

[fringe turtle]

Yeah it’s the only controller I have other than a switch controller

[harsh pasture]

Looks like I need to make a purchase haha

[fringe turtle]

So I don’t have very many options

[grizzled maple]

technically on 1221 the only controller that shouldn't work is switch pro

it was supported for both ds4 and all xbox controllers at the time

[harsh pasture]

Are the new xbox controllers fine or does it have to be an old one?

[grizzled maple]

any

since windows is xbox they are all supported natively and basically never have issues

[harsh pasture]

Even wirelessly?

[grizzled maple]

i think you need an adapter, but tbh i dont recommend speedrunning wirelessly. you're just asking to lose a run to a dc

[harsh pasture]

That makes sense

[fringe turtle]

I think ima just give up and learn to speed run pantheon 5 since I find the combat really fun in the game

[harsh pasture]

Don't give up!

[grizzled maple]

honestly whatever you want to do :)

pantheon ILs are HARD but really cool to learn

[fringe turtle]

Well i REALLY like doing the boss fights fast so I think it would be fun

[versed elbow]

So I looked into All Skills

How does that change for CP on console?

Because I watched Monstah

[hearty adder]

All Skills has very different routing between 1221 and cp

You should check the leaderboards and watch cp runs

What console are you playing on?

[versed elbow]

Judging off how 1221 gets Shade Soul I'm assuming it's extremely different

Xbox One/Switch. I have it on both

[neon island]

Yeah, dash slash lever skips don’t work on cp

So you actually have to buy the elegant key

[versed elbow]

I watched a bit of FuzzyVolt's run since he's the only PS4/XB1 run. I just didn't know if that was the optimal routing

[hearty adder]

Consoles can only run cp, so any cp routing (including pc) should work for you

[versed elbow]

Aight, thanks. I'll look more into that routing.

[nocturne field]

Yeah it is

[sterile gale]

why is there no glitchless category

I mean nmg has inventory drop and wcs

[nocturne field]

A 32 was just achieved again in NMG

[snow dome]

Because it's too easy to accidentally get small glitches like WCS that we have to use NMG instead of glitchless

The glitches only save time, the route for "no glitches" would be the same.

[short spire]

yo no way that's sick

[nocturne field]

xD

[limpid ruin]

If you want more Uumuu like out-of-control rng, then glitchless is for you

[nocturne field]

Congrats Ax2u

[snow dome]

Congrats 2uAx

[versed elbow]

Congrats

[nocturne field]

I haven't checked the boards in a couple days so pardon my lateness lol

When's WR lol

[short spire]

thanks

soon tm

[snow dome]

Do you know who has the lower time including ms?

[versed elbow]

Soon™

[thorn jasper]

wtf I didn't get an src notification for the ax run verification

[thorn jasper]

ax and fire aren't tied anymore (?)

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/yo9v46dy skurry verified it yesterday, but my notifications stop three days ago

[versed elbow]

According to lbs Ax has 32:59 and Pest has WR with 32:55

So ms don't matter I believe

I swear I just pulled off the most scuffed Shade pogo ever.

[thorn jasper]

at least it wasn't a scuffed miss

[versed elbow]

Here's the clip

I should probably also mention it's the first time I ever got it.

Took like 5 mins of learning how to line it up.

[median gull]

vys has a good and consistent setup to do it

and saves a bit of time compared to some i've seen cause you pogo your shade as far left as possible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA6A2-jTJO8&t=2s

2:10

[versed elbow]

Thank you guys btw.

You're all really helpful to new runners

[fringe turtle]

Hey is there not a auto split for pantheon 5

[deft thorn]

in godseeker mode or in normal mode?

because the autosplitter will end on any ending

[fringe turtle]

Oh it does

Well that fixes my problem

[devout mulch]

I'm thinking about doing a true pogo challenge (only downstrikes allowed, no spells)
But it'd require a shadeskip without dash, claw or spirit. Is it possible? 🤔

[thorn jasper]

why are dash and claw not accessible? for claw, I imagine you could downpogo

on the lever

[devout mulch]

You can't get past the baldur without spirit afaik

[twin swallow]

you can kill them with longnail and/or dreamshield, but it's annoyingly precise (and also breaks your pogo-only challenge rule)

[devout mulch]

Sadly, it does

But maybe longnail could help with shade skip? 🤔

[digital jewel]

you can't shade skip without any of those 3 at all

[devout mulch]

Not even like in Hopper% ?

[digital jewel]

great hopper uses vs

[devout mulch]

I know... So it isn't possible? 😦

[digital jewel]

yeah it's not possible

[meager current]

Are you able to upload a casual playthrough to speedrun.com and have it be verified?

[devout mulch]

If it is Low %, maybe

[twin swallow]

on old patch you could mound skip i guess to get vs without being locked in (i think?)

[dull lion]

I’m currently watching my roommate’s girlfriend play hollow knight and it is truly crazy to see somebody play the game from a non speedrun perspective after running it so much. She checks her map in like every room and only dashes when she needs to for jumps. It’s wild

[leaden python]

Luckily, I only learned HK for speedruns when my wife played that casually, so I wasn't particularly offended by not using optimal movement

[devout mulch]

sounds like a good idea

[digital jewel]

that doesn't help since your challenge is still to not use it ever

[harsh mason]

i dont think you can do itemless without using an airstall

[digital jewel]

you definitely can't

[twin swallow]

just say you won't do any damage with spells (:

[meager current]

Why am I annoyed when people do things slowly in HK now

[harsh mason]

itll do damage to the integerity of your challenge

[twin swallow]

[devout mulch]

That was my intention

[harsh mason]

i mean if you're going to use glitches

[meager current]

Just like, non optimal movement makes me mad

[harsh mason]

you might aswell just oob out of xroads

[devout mulch]

Seems like I have to...

Well... that's also possible, yes

[worthy sluice]

Lads...

Im so sad

I was like 3 hits away from beating watcher knights

On any% route

Im depressed

I cried out NOOOOOOO

I have like been non stop practicing the knights for like 4 hours

[hollow kestrel]

F in the chat. We've lost many a good soul to WK.

[worthy sluice]

Im just trying to get a run through

Ive been on this save for so long

Just trying watcher knights

[hollow kestrel]

Getting to WK is an achievement by itself. Runnin ain't easy

Take a break fro the day and go back tomorrow! Muscle memory develops overnight!!

[worthy sluice]

Really?

[thorn jasper]

Dedication! you love to see it

[worthy sluice]

I have the time

[hollow kestrel]

In my experience it does. Especially with music if im struggling with a passage ill grind it out for like an hour or two, then wait till the next day and I'll notice that itll be 100% easier so i just repeat that (still putting in like 2-4 hours a day granted) until my fingers know what to do lol

[worthy sluice]

Might as well use it

[hollow kestrel]

There is probably a study on it somewhere idk

[worthy sluice]

How can people be consistant

With this

Sometimes they are nice others they are ALWAYS ROLLING

[versed elbow]

^that was my problem last night when they got me a little angry.

[snow dome]

Stop calling groups of people with various genders lads and you will pb

It's a fact

[versed elbow]

I had a run where they literally just constantly did sonic ball rolling.

And I had almost no opening.

I usually just call anything in Hollow Knight "they/them/it" since the only character with a defined gender in Hollow Knight is Hornet.

[worthy sluice]

Elderbug is a girl

Imma stream me throwing more attempts to watcher knights

If amyone wants to watch and give me tips

[snow dome]

Traitor lord is also canon trans, ftr

[versed elbow]

[true hound]

i accidentally hit undo split

will my run still be accepted

[versed elbow]

[true hound]

oh cmon

thanks though

luckily i was only 20 minutes in

[jagged vault]

The splits don’t matter as long as the final time is accurate

[raven holly]

If the timer still stopped at the correct time at the end of the run on the last split, then I think it would still be valid

[jagged vault]

Having splits correct is useful for accurate information though, so you might want to reset for that sake

[true hound]

i already resetted lol

thanks for telling me though, not sure why livesplit just stopped

[raven holly]

you should have a hotkey for splitting as well so you can just split again to get back on the correct split. Then you can just fix any fake golds that you got after the run

[true hound]

not sure what you mean, sorry

going to the next split?

[drowsy tangle]

Yay new PB. 1:04:03 (All Skills NMG). Sub hour definitely possible!

[versed elbow]

Congrats

[snow dome]

LiveSplit has hot keys to split now, and to skip splits, so if you do something wrong (like use a different route or accidentally undo a split) you can make it right again

[raven holly]

Yeah I think you can set the hotkeys somewhere in settings

[deft thorn]

Excuse my ignorance, but I never thought of it as a very gendered word. Most people I've seen use it in a mixed way, anyway

[limpid ruin]

Lads is a gendered masculine word, 0 doubt. A lad is a typically a young boy, and a lass is a young girl, usually used by older people about younger ones, but adapted by young 'uns as well

[knotty vigil]

Can i ask how do i get through city of tears?

[short spire]

imo when someone uses a term for any group of people in casual conversation, especially on the internet, it's pretty easy to just assume they meant nothing related to genders with it

cause they probably didn't

[worthy sluice]

I have put approximately 5 hours into any% watcher knights

And to no avail

[true hound]

what kind of bug are the watcher knights

do you think

[worthy sluice]

Rolley polleys

If thats how you spell it

[limpid ruin]

Yea, I know that's not the intention, but mentioning it is specifically to point out it does carry weight in spite of that

[true hound]

roly poly i think

[worthy sluice]

Ah whatever

[true hound]

is the knight supposed to be a bug as well? is his white thing a head, or ||is it a helmet because it cracked in one of the ending cutscenes||

[worthy sluice]

The closest i have gotten was me on my last knight with the knight about 4 hits away

[limpid ruin]

Depends, what do you mean by getting through cot?

[worthy sluice]

Its tecnically a god born from void

[true hound]

that makes more sense

[worthy sluice]

So i dint know if he qualifies

[knotty vigil]

I need a simple key where do i find it?

[true hound]

there are a couple scattered through the map

i didnt know u needed a simple key, are you beneath ||lemm||?

[knotty vigil]

In ||cot||

[true hound]

there is one that i can remember, in the vertical room before ||the stagway||

i may be wrong

[knotty vigil]

Whete is the ||stagway||

?

[limpid ruin]

If you ask in #hk-help they should be better able to help you here. Good luck tho

[worthy sluice]

I think thats a wanderers journal

[knotty vigil]

Am new...

[knotty vigil]

Oh k didn't see that channel welp

[true hound]

good luck!

[worthy sluice]

Someone told me to watch pests vid on watcher knights however

I cant find it

[true hound]

maybe they were talking about his speedrun?

thats on speedrun.com

[verbal stag]

it's pinned in #any-percent-nmg

[true hound]

my bad

[worthy sluice]

Thanks!

[short spire]

dont you think everyone would have an easier time communicating by simply not assuming any kind of gendered intent behind terms like that though

[burnt grove]

I hated watcher knights too, but now I love being able to destroy them in under 2 minutes with nothing but a crappy nail and shaman stone

[versed elbow]

I just need to get better at the fight tbh is all

[steady lynx]

Watcher Knight are the reason I decided not to run any% more than once

Too hard

[twin swallow]

how can any% be too hard when you've run GE? 🤔

[steady lynx]

It's a joke

I wanna get back to any% some day when I feel done with the other switch categories

[limpid ruin]

I just don't like being referred to with masculine identifiers, because it feels directly bad, and I know others feel even worse about it than me. It's not like we see it and go "nooow we're gonna have a negative emotional reaction 😤", we don't choose that.

[versed elbow]

So, what's this game's most ridiculously long category?

[twin swallow]

all achievements*

[steady lynx]

112 is the longest main

[dull birch]

Wk's are honestly why I switched to learning all skills. Much easier in that category

[twin swallow]

low% TE isn't real

[steady lynx]

All Skills WK, DDark to victory

[dull birch]

Heeeeck yeah!!

[versed elbow]

I was recommended to learn All Skills first.

[dull birch]

It's a really easy category to learn.

[versed elbow]

Then I said I was on Console, so the route seems extremely fucked lmao

[dull birch]

A bit longer, but easier in the long run

Aaaah

Yeah

[steady lynx]

Console AS is just cp AS but Epogo is easier

[dull birch]

I don't much about cp all skills lol

[limpid ruin]

Still worth it on console as well, it's not as cool as on 1221, but definitely still a lot of cool movement

[versed elbow]

Epogo is easier?

[dull birch]

On 1221

[steady lynx]

Console runs at such a bad framerate so it's more consistent

[dull birch]

Cp epogo is pretty hard if I understand correctly

[versed elbow]

If lower FR helps in this game I'm glad I own it on Switch

[steady lynx]

Nah, for everything else lower FR is worse

Been described as playing underwater

[versed elbow]

So just do Xbox One? It holds 60 pretty well

[steady lynx]

Xbox One runs about the same as PS4 so it has more consistent FR

[short spire]

i can totally understand that when someone is talking directly to you, 1:1. in cases like that there is definitely no excuse, but i feel like when referring to a larger group of people it can be a logistical nightmare to try and always use words that will apply to everyone's gender. maybe im just privileged due to not experiencing gender dysphoria and this is something i can never intuitively understand but it really wouldn't matter to me if someone referred to a group that includes me as "gals" or something because I'd get that it's not directed at me

[limpid ruin]

"y'all" is best word

[knotty vigil]

I got a small question

[short spire]

i mean i wouldn't be surprised if there exists people who don't like being referred to with the word "you"

[knotty vigil]

is using a mod that changes the knights apperance allowed or would it not be allowed

like a recolor

[short spire]

which is exactly what i mean, with large groups there are just too many variables

[steady lynx]

It's not allowed on main boards

[knotty vigil]

gotchy

gotchu*

[steady lynx]

Custom Knight is generally allowed for the modded boards

[twin swallow]

just having moddingAPI installed imporves game performance slightly, so mods of any kind are not allowed on main boards

[steady lynx]

https://www.speedrun.com/hkmods

A grand total of five runs

[versed elbow]

YouTube recommended surfing is interesting... I go from HK speedruns to listening to a guy rap a pizza order

[twin swallow]

don't forget about the IL leaderboards and the greatest category of all time, abyss climb

[steady lynx]

I prefer KP IL

[dull birch]

Ugh the abyss climb is so fun lol. I'm absolute garbage at it still but it's still a blast

[steady lynx]

Abyss Climb is one of my weakest part of runs

[knotty vigil]

i've never done a speedrun of anything but hollow knight to me, is a cool looking game, the art is amazing

[versed elbow]

AHHHHH Abyss Climb. That's one of the most mesmerizing things to watch. I was watching Monstah's All Skills and I had to rewind the way he climbed out of Abyss like 5 times.

[dull birch]

The movement heavy parts like that are my favourite

[versed elbow]

The movement is what got me into Mario Odyssey speedruns. Kinda inevitable it was gonna happen with this game.

[dull birch]

Oh Mario odyssey runs are so mesmerizing to watch!

[knotty vigil]

i think 64 runs are sick too, but i have bias since when i was kid, i would remember playing mario Sunshine fondly, just messing around

[versed elbow]

I got a 1:08 in Any% in Odyssey. I'm not sure what my goal is for HK now

[dull birch]

:o nice!

[versed elbow]

Sub 60 probably to start seems reasonable

[knotty vigil]

just get used to all the bosses, and tricks first

then do a run

my budy said he did that for BOTW

[versed elbow]

I started out by learning Shade skip

it felt useful in nearly every category

[knotty vigil]

thats my plan

what do you guys play HK on

[burnt grove]

y'all is a great word, and I also like "my dudes"

[knotty vigil]

like control wise

[versed elbow]

Base controls I believe

[short spire]

you cant tell me that my dudes aint gendered

at least if you wanna take it in a gendered way

[knotty vigil]

i mean like, xbox controller, ps4, keyboard

[burnt grove]

my children (13-20) assure me that "dude" is now gender-neutral

[leaden python]

"it's friday my dudes" is the least gendered thing you can come up with

[knotty vigil]

"what up my dawg"

[leaden python]

dawg is def male cuz only gangsta rappers refer as dawgs to each other

[short spire]

it's about as gender neutral as guys or lads, where a lot of people will def take it that way but there's also a lot of people who absolutely will see it as gendered

[versed elbow]

Oh, Xbox controller/Switch Pro controller depending on which console I decide to play on that day

[knotty vigil]

or all words are made up, and the meaning is only what you give to them

🙂

[leaden python]

we probably want to take it to sro tho cuz there is actual on-topic conversation going on

[knotty vigil]

i wanted to get an xbox controller

i got a ps4 one, and it feels off to me

[leaden python]

but yeah, what controller or keyboard you want to play is completely up to you. there are top runners who use both

top runners with xbox controller, top runners with ps4 controllers, top runners with kb, top runners with hitbox. HK is very good game in this sense

[versed elbow]

I can't stand Playstation controllers. No clue why. They feel wrong to me.

[limpid ruin]

"dude" is not gender neutral tho

[leaden python]

yeah it's fair depending on your hands shape ps4 or xbox might feel better or worse

[versed elbow]

I'll use my friend's words here. "PS controller for small hands, Xbox controller for larger hands"

[burnt grove]

switch pro controller for medium hands?

[leaden python]

my hands are rather big so more wide ps4 controller feels better because my hands are not collapsing on top of each other as it happens in case of more narrow xbox one controller

[limpid ruin]

Switch Pro is great for actaully large hands from what ive heard

[steady lynx]

vali hand reveal when?

[leaden python]

So I really don't get that "PS controller for small hands, Xbox controller for larger hands" because in my case it's complete opposite

I revealed it way back Gusten, you might want to go find it

[versed elbow]

Xbox/Switch controller both work for me and they're fairly different sizes.

[limpid ruin]

Xbone controllers are for "people who prefer xbone controllers"

[steady lynx]

I prefer PS4 controller and switch controller over Xbox

[twin swallow]

steam controller is the true giant-friendly input device

[dull birch]

I have tiny hands and find the Xbox more comfortable

[steady lynx]

Xbox just feels clunky

[leaden python]

maybe it also depends on your thumbs since analogs are positioned differently

[burnt grove]

vali are you a sexy hand model irl?

[short spire]

keyboards are for people who have hands

[steady lynx]

But Ax, I don't have hands

[limpid ruin]

ergonomic split keyboards

[leaden python]

Somebody's asking for a horny bonk

[short spire]

feet can work as an alternative option

[knotty vigil]

if you play keyboard, you were taught piano as a kid

[burnt grove]

ergonomic split kbs for people with split hands

come in four pieces

[versed elbow]

Horny and speedrunning don't go together

Please don't find a video to prove me wrong

[short spire]

[versed elbow]

When your GF says she's home alone and you're on your last split

"GOLD SPLIT TIME"

[burnt grove]

I don't like where I've taken this convo

[limpid ruin]

Hey, lets stay away from those jokes and topics. There's a sizeable underage demographic on here

[versed elbow]

Sorry

[digital jewel]

There's also a sizable demographic that thinks this is #speedrunning and not #hk-meme

[harsh mason]

porque no los dos

[frosty fractal]

Does the speed runner role give access to any channels?

[stiff delta]

you can type in the specific channels and you get access to sr-offtopic

[frosty fractal]

Alright thanks

[grizzled maple]

the role is mainly a deterrent to people who would otherwise come in and spam or ask unrelated questions

that ends up forcing them to do it here only

[frosty fractal]

Oh? Do people ask speed running questions in non-speedrunning channels?

[stiff delta]

opposite

[frosty fractal]

Oh I see

[digital jewel]

you can ask any speedrunning related stuff here if you want

[frosty fractal]

I'm just thinking if I should share a run for the role or not

[grizzled maple]

the role is for verified runs on speedrun.com

[digital jewel]

the role is just a small hurdle to keep the rest of the speedrun channels free of shitposts

[grizzled maple]

so you can submit or nah

[frosty fractal]

Alright I guess I mine as well:

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/yj6vd4dz

[stiff delta]

the community is great and running the game is usually fun so i mean its worth it

[frosty fractal]

Woops link didn't work

[digital jewel]

you're blue

[limpid ruin]

gg on first run

[frosty fractal]

Awesome thanks xero

[twin swallow]

yo nice time

[frosty fractal]

Not my first run just hadn't submitted here yet

Got a sub 40 but forgot to record 😭

[true hound]

I recorded by first run!

any% 1:30:02

going for sub 1:30 next time

[formal bough]

eeeh, seems to hard. Maybe sub 1:30:01, but sub 1:30? impossible

[true hound]

yeah ur right, it is very hard. ill try sub 1:30:01, anything under 1:35 is good really

then again

i am absolute radiance

I CAN GET THE sub 1:30:01

also can you upload .mkv files to youtube?

[pure vault]

you look just like regular radiance to me

[true hound]

ah well

u got me

[cold geyser]

which inputs are the best to mash for text mashing?

[limpid ruin]

nail, focus, and jump

(and for some absolutely nonsensical reason, ax's dream nail as well)

[clever fable]

you can, i'm doing so right this second and haven't run into any issues

[true hound]

okay thank you!

[harsh mason]

its axs optimal swedish keyboard

[true hound]

huh

[steady lynx]

Ax uses the å button

[versed elbow]

Do leaderboards retime for HK?

Because I think I hit the timer correctly.

I'm not 100% tho.

[digital jewel]

you're on console?

[steady lynx]

Console is timed real time

End time is generally when the screen turns black
After focusing the infection in any%, low% and All Skills
After killing the Radiance in True Ending
After killing AbsRad in 112%

[versed elbow]

Yea I'm console

What about stuff like IL on Pantheons?

Do you go with the the time that's on screen when you finish or is it when you get the final hit on the boss?

Like my timer says 6:56, but the end screen says 7:03

[limpid ruin]

ignore the ingame time completely tbh

[versed elbow]

[limpid ruin]

start timer on selecting save/difficulty (steelsoul etc), and final split on the first frame of black after focusing after THK

dw if you mistime the splits a bit, that can be easily corrected by just watching the footage afterwards

[versed elbow]

Oh I was doing Pantheon of the Master just to get a time on something as a start.

[limpid ruin]

ooh @ xero?

[versed elbow]

Do you start the timer as soon as you hit begin or do you start it on the white screen? And does it end on final white screen or after you hit final blow on the nailmasters?

@digital jewel

Because I know there's an auto splitter, but those don't work for console.

[limpid ruin]

yea. I cant remember any console/RTA panth runs ngl

[versed elbow]

I did my best on timing. Maybe I'll submit just so the mods can give me notes.

It's not stupid fast because I used my spell build instead of the standard Fate of the Fallen.

[normal aspen]

Think it's on selecting start on panth to last hit on.last boss

[versed elbow]

I started mine on the white screen after you press begin. So it might be like 2 or 3 seconds longer than my timer says in that case.

[normal aspen]

All g

[versed elbow]

[unkempt saddle]

i have a question

can you menu drop on the newest patch

1.4.3.2

[harsh mason]

yes

[sonic pebble]

Hi! Im new here and I want to start speedrunning. I wonder if hollow knight was a good game to start?

[unkempt saddle]

can you do it on keyboard?

[twin swallow]

yes

[unkempt saddle]

cause i cant seem to do it

[harsh mason]

you have to do it as you leave a ledge

you cant just do it midair

[calm forge]

question about speedrunning this game. are the records with the ingame timer?

[unkempt saddle]

ok thx

[harsh mason]

no

[twin swallow]

no, ingame timer is bad

[harsh mason]

the igt doesn't work

[dull birch]

If you love the game then it's a good one to start running, yes :)

[harsh mason]

it can give a time of 0seconds

[dull birch]

There are a lot of good guides out there for it, and the community is very helpful!

[sonic pebble]

ive never played the game before. I prob should start whit that haha

[dull birch]

Aha perhaps

[hearty adder]

Probably would be better to do a full, regular run before you decide whether you want to run it or not

[limpid ruin]

unless youve looked at runs and decided

[twin swallow]

just upload your first casual run to the leaderboards

[limpid ruin]

but then you probably wouldnt ask bc youd already decided :p

[limpid ruin]

it has to be single segment and no major glitches tho

[twin swallow]

marathon casual playthrough stream let's goooo

[sonic pebble]

Haha imagine

[unkempt saddle]

you guys know about that lever before the watcher knights the bugged one?

is it possible to do with the newest patch?

1.4.3.2

[grizzled maple]

No

Those are called lever skips. Theres several in the game on patch 1221 which includes hitting grub jars. Only a small handful still work. None of the major ones do.

[unkempt saddle]

alr thx

[cold geyser]

what's the deal with this jump in kings pass, jumping from where i am to the platform up and to the left. it feels almost like its rng whether or not i get the height to make it. maybe im doing something dumb but im confused by it

sometimes i just randomly dont get the height

[soft jolt]

Just hold the button

At least I think so

[normal aspen]

^

[cold geyser]

im pretty sure im always holding the button but if nobody else has ever had this problem im probably just dumb

[grizzled maple]

Make sure you dont have vsync on

I've only had similar issues ever (while doing a full jump) on console speedrun attempts.

I think low fps might eat part of your input occasionally

[steady lynx]

That's a funny jump for me

First time in the run I get it consistently but the second trip after getting Fury it's suddenly inconsistent

It really makes no sense

And if I don't hold any direction during the jump it gets slightly more consistent

But that's not an issue the first time

[unkempt saddle]

menu dropping is so hard on the newest patch

can anyone give me tips

[raven holly]

There aren't not really any good tips for cp menu dropping. Mostly just getting the timing down and even then it's still hard

[steady lynx]

The only cp menu drops people really go for are Resting Grounds and the big room in Crossroads with those flying bugs that I hate

[raven holly]

Like doveless said they aren't really crucial either. A lot of people just skip the smaller ones if they aren't confident they can get it

[steady lynx]

For categories that get Cyclone, Cyclone drops are way easier

Love them

[grizzled maple]

My advice is go for every one, and don't care if you miss it. Every top runner on a current patch category does that.

Eventually you'll get the idea down. Each ledge has a unique shape and each drop will be different
You just have to go for it and not worry about it. We're talking a couple of seconds time loss.

[worthy sluice]

Why are watcher knights so dang hard

I have a question for god team cherry, WHYYYYYY

[steady lynx]

It's meant to be a later game boss and we fight them with just Vengeful Spirit and Base nail

[worthy sluice]

I PRACTICED FOR 5 HOURS TODAY

Just those stupid knights

NOT ONCE did i beat them

[limpid ruin]

remember to take breaks for resting

[worthy sluice]

:<

[limpid ruin]

both for your hands, and for clearing your mind to actually process what youre learning

You can do them

[worthy sluice]

Just 6 more days of 5 hours

And i will get them to 50% consistancy

I hope i can

And ill try to take your word

Somewhere in the 5 hours i did radiance overcharmed, for the lols

[unkempt saddle]

make sure theyre always on one side

never be in the middle

[worthy sluice]

I didnt know that

[unkempt saddle]

and vengful spirit hits both of them

[knotty vigil]

New record 1:10

Much better than my old 1:24 record

[versed elbow]

Gratz

[knotty vigil]

Thanks :D

[true hound]

[rocky dirge]

I've spent the past 4 days practicing the any% nmg route up to the dream nail split and decided to do a run to see how I was doing and what had to be improved

And then I accidentally killed the squit on greenpath

I'm what the people would call a god gamer

a gaming god

the god of the games

[worthy sluice]

Man i wish i was a god gamer

BUT I CANT KILL THOSE STUPID KNIGHTS

[stiff delta]

Dw about it

Watcher knights are the big roadblock for new runners

[worthy sluice]

Well if i dont worry then i wont be able to speedrun the game

[haughty fossil]

the squit respawns if you reenter the room

[stiff delta]

I mean dont feel bad about it

[haughty fossil]

hey, I'm sub 40 CP and I still can't get runs past claw

[steady lynx]

Nobody can get runs past claw, it's photoshopped

[worthy sluice]

Well, it would be nice

If i could beat those stupid knights

[small magnet]

When I started practicing WK it took me like 6 or 7 hours just to get a first kill. Another 4 to get the 2nd. Took over 30 before I was killing them roughly 50% of the time lol

Just keep poppin' that save state

Also make sure you're practicing good habits. You may be falling back on strats you're "comfortable" with, but that could be making it way harder for you to actually get the kill.

[deft flame]

you should probably get into a mindset where you understand its gonna take many hours of grinding in order to get good at WK, otherwise it will just lead to frustration and it'll actually get harder to improve

of course that's easier said than done

😅

[dull lion]

If my run gets past claw there’s like a 20% chance I PB

If it gets past sanctum it’s like 40%

[versed elbow]

The console route for all skills is so jank lmao

I keep watching it

Trying to study it

[cold geyser]

does this game have any TAS content?

like, has anyone managed to make a TAS or have any idea how one could be made

[drowsy tangle]

What’s TAS tho

[haughty fossil]

there are some "TAS"es somewhere on bilibili, but they're basically just gameplay at low timescale sped up in post

[cold geyser]

well I looked up messages containing “TAS” and got a pretty resounding “heck no” so that answers my question

[median gull]

1:59 "tas" pop is insane on bilibili

[cold geyser]

any chance you could link it? i can’t seem to find it, not too familiar with how to use bilibili

[median gull]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1St4y1e7Eb?from=search&seid=5797693935026955187

[lucid stirrup]

also not the actual cycles btw

might be CP cycles, but i dont think so

[haughty fossil]

those are 1432 exclusive cycles 🙂

[median gull]

those are cp cycles i pretty sure think

[cold geyser]

thanks

[median gull]

also, can't cycles be manipulated by how bad (or good) your computer can handle load rooms?

[lucid stirrup]

on cp

ye

[haughty fossil]

they can also be changed by the presence of moddingapi, which is active in this tas

[median gull]

yea

btw, why does moddingapi mess up with cycles?

is there any particular reason?

[normal aspen]

Affects loads

[jagged vault]

the game can not be TASed in the traditional sense of making a string of inputs that will happen at precise timings, due to the way that hollow knight works it would desync before getting out of king's pass. the tas you see there is made in a completely different way, where the game's timescale is slowed down to about half, so the game is played in effectively slow motion, giving the player "superhuman" reflexes. the footage of this is then sped up and that's what you see on the video

[cold geyser]

that makes sense, unfortunate that hollow knight doesn’t lend itself to tasing

[median gull]

unity do be like that

[versed elbow]

Have you guys ever considered doing something in Hollow Knight community like Mario Odyssey's BTT? (Best Theoretical Time) Where the best runners record segments as fast as they possibly can and then the video is spliced together to show what a basically perfect run would look like if a runner pulled all the stops and just played inhumanly perfect for 1 run?

[normal aspen]

We have comsob which is roughly thag

And people have thought of making an optimal spliced run too (specifically Muri) but it's not been done yet

[versed elbow]

It's honestly amazing watching them

[normal aspen]

Yeah that's the muri thing dove

[short spire]

https://youtu.be/sJtsJowSI9o theres this which is basically all the community golds for the splits we generally use spliced together

[normal aspen]

It's like 10s lower now tho

[short spire]

obviously not quite as high level as a room by room segmented run would be

and yeah its already out of date by a little but its the closest thing that exists

[meager current]

ax

[short spire]

it is i

[meager current]

yes

[frigid rapids]

yeah, i put that on hold for the moment because all skills tourney is coming ahead and i only have one brain

[normal aspen]

yteah nmot blaming u its hecca work

jamie bully yhtsi

[meager current]

what happened to your brain insomnia

[normal aspen]

thats 2 typos

thats pretty good ngl

[meager current]

yes

?

[haughty fossil]

its ins0mnia insomnia hours

[normal aspen]

nah its 8pm

[deft thorn]

?saves

[normal aspen]

?fuckdyno

?saves

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[deft thorn]

when mod does it, it just works

[normal aspen]

it really doesnt

[deft thorn]

(thanks insom )

[normal aspen]

[jaunty anvil]

https://streamable.com/b8d7ph

:) practiced hornet uno today

[weary root]

those are some nice doubles

[solid crag]

30 seconds nice

[wanton tulip]

doesnt count since i didnt time it and did it on my debug version but did a trial run for the first time. not too bad for a terrible run lol

any% NMG

[meager current]

Ok now do it with timer and record it all

[wanton tulip]

thats next 🙂

i might practice deepnest more since i really whiffed it there

[meager current]

My deepnest is alright

But like idk the route very well

[wanton tulip]

i got scared and went for the non QGA route and lost some time

even tho i can do QGA kinda

[meager current]

So I end up going for these weird ways to get to certain area

like going for cdash before dnail so I can get dnail easier

[wanton tulip]

interesting route lol

[meager current]

Ye my routing is terrible

[wanton tulip]

what part makes dnail hard to get for u?

shade skip?

[meager current]

Shade skip

[wanton tulip]

ahhh

yeah def worth doing, its free

[meager current]

Also I go to deepnest through mantis lords becuase it's a bad habit I need to break

[wanton tulip]

interesting. yeah i just go through fungal wastes

either that or queens gardens

i havnt decided which i like more

[steady lynx]

Queens is faster

[wanton tulip]

yeah ik

[meager current]

I can't get the queen's gardens acid skip down

[wanton tulip]

but

QGA sucks when im nervous

[meager current]

What's qga

[wanton tulip]

acid skip

[meager current]

Ok

[steady lynx]

I can imagine, being on pb pace and then that awful trick coming up

[wanton tulip]

i technically dont have a PB yet since i only did one non valid run to see if i could remember everything

but yeah scary

[steady lynx]

Your first run will always be on pb pace by default

[meager current]

Like I can do the one for crossroads into fog canyon

[wanton tulip]

true

yeah that one is way easier

im just thankful i can do watcher knights pretty consistently

[meager current]

And if I were to go get the fog canyon charm notch (outside of speedruns) I can do that skip easy

It's literally just that queen's gardens one

[steady lynx]

Im privileged with 112, hardest trick there is isma's early and that's free

[wanton tulip]

oo you run 112?

nice

that category is wild

[meager current]

Early ismas

[steady lynx]

It's really just slightly faster isma's than intended

[meager current]

I tried that trick a couple times and failed a lot lol

Stupid spikes

And I can't get vengefly king quick kill down

[steady lynx]

I need to start throwing a safety fireball so I don't hit the

[meager current]

Ik it's literally just hit him and spam fireballs smh

[steady lynx]

Spaced nail, fireball, fireball, nail, fireball

It took me like 50 attempts to get down

[meager current]

I normally just kill some moss knights instead lol

[wanton tulip]

just learned VFK quick kill

make sure youre holding jump all the way until you nail him the first time

or you wont be high enough

[meager current]

Also which relics do you go for

[steady lynx]

Somehow I'm getting the tricks I saw monstah do half a year ago kinda consistently, even though I then thought I'd never finish a run

[meager current]

Is there a route map?

[wanton tulip]

in any%?

[meager current]

Ye

[wanton tulip]

i just do the route fireborn taught in his videos

[steady lynx]

It's on speedrun.com

[wanton tulip]

which is 3 relics

[steady lynx]

King's Station relic, Watcher relic and the journal under resting grounds on the way to King's Station

[meager current]

Dym the one in the catacombs?

[wanton tulip]

yeah

[meager current]

So I get dive?

[steady lynx]

I'll get the pics

[wanton tulip]

no u dont need dive

[meager current]

Wait do I need to downpatch

[haughty fossil]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/j234z

it's not in crypts no

there is a relic inside king's station, and a journal in the room above it

[jaunty anvil]

@solid crag :))))

[meager current]

Ah

[steady lynx]

Both those relics are in the route

[meager current]

I might also get the king's idol in peaks to be safe

[steady lynx]

As long as you get those relics and the watcher stuff you're good

[meager current]

This is gonna be my first ever run so it'll be ok if I lose some time

My fastest casual playthrough was my steel soul and that took 3 hours lol

But do I need to downpatch?

Or can I run cp any%

[steady lynx]

You can run on current patch

It's a separate sub category

[wanton tulip]

yeah, theres just more patched glitches on CP

id downpatch

[meager current]

Ive never played older patches so I wouldn't know the glitches

[steady lynx]

Main difference is that you have to fight a Husk sentry in cot and inventory drops are slightly harder

Also cp Hollow Knight fight is harder

[meager current]

Isn't QoL allowed?

Or no

[steady lynx]

Nope

[haughty fossil]

moddingAPI is not allowed for main board runs

if you want to run, you have to disable it

[wanton tulip]

i just have 2 HK exes. one with and one without debug et

etc

[steady lynx]

I think fire covers that in the guide

[wanton tulip]

yeah

its worth watching his guides

[meager current]

Is there any runs that allow QoL

[wanton tulip]

whats QoL?

[meager current]

Quality of life

[wanton tulip]

oh

i doubt it

[meager current]

I found a page on speedrun.com

[wanton tulip]

o

well there ya go

[meager current]

Wait what's this 'videos should be uploaded to a permanent host site'

What does that mean lol

[wanton tulip]

like youtube

[meager current]

Ok

[wanton tulip]

or saved as a twitch vod

[haughty fossil]

youtube, twitch, bilibili etc

[wanton tulip]

yeah

twitch highlight*

[haughty fossil]

something that won't expire/get taken down

[meager current]

I'll have to figure out how to upload to YouTube from obs

Or smth

Wait I can just record and upload the video to YouTube without streaming

[wanton tulip]

yeah

[meager current]

Wait how do I add livesplit to a source

[haughty fossil]

window capture

[meager current]

It doesn't list livesplit

[haughty fossil]

is livesplit open?

[meager current]

Uhh no

[haughty fossil]

there you go

[meager current]

I can't find livesplit

Where has it gone

It's not opening fsr

Why is it not opening

[limpid ruin]

Any error messages or something?

[meager current]

No

It just tries to open and stops

I'll reinstall

[haughty fossil]

https://github.com/LiveSplit/LiveSplit/issues/509 try unplugging your controller apparently???? lol

[meager current]

Controller?

I don't have a controller in rn

[haughty fossil]

worth a shot

did you move the exe out of the livesplit folder?

[meager current]

Uhh maybe

[haughty fossil]

thats a not good

[meager current]

I'm reinstalling it

[steady lynx]

It has to be in the folder

[meager current]

I fixed it

[steady lynx]

You can make a shortcut to it if you want it on the desktop though

[meager current]

What's cp version number

Just so I can make sure it's correct

[steady lynx]

1432

[meager current]

Ok it's correct

How do I make the timer transparent

Like the background

[snow dome]

That's something you do in OBS or whatever software you're using

[meager current]

Ah

[snow dome]

You want colour key

Make your background a colour that doesn't exist anywhere else on your LiveSplit, make sure it's all flat colour and the same, then colour key that colour and it will make it transparent.

[meager current]

What's colour key

Eh nvm

So imma run hollow knight modded QoL any%

[steady lynx]

Just make sure you only have QoL and potentially custom Knight enabled

[meager current]

Ok

[spice flower]

@normal aspen please start a stream

On discord

@normal aspen please

[digital jewel]

[meager current]

This stuff makes my brain go ded

[spice flower]

[normal aspen]

?

[limpid ruin]

👉 #hk-meme

[spice flower]

@normal aspen You play silksong

[normal aspen]

you know game testers have to sign NDAs right?

[short spire]

im sure its fine just get one person in on it

[steady lynx]

You should really hide your active game while playing it

[normal aspen]

tru

[meager current]

Anyone got a file for the modded any% QoL enabled splits