Right click on the shortcut (either on desktop or if its in your start menu), and press go to folder, or something like that
#speedrunning
limpid ruin
hardy lava
its just in downloads
wanton tulip
is there a way to skip the first devout in beast den without killing it? i heard there was i just never knew how
mighty trellis
true ending sub hour nmg
wanton tulip
theres no way in any%?
steady lynx
Not without Shade Cloak really
wanton tulip
alright, ill try to do the damage tank kill
steady lynx
It's like a wall so you can't even parry dash through it
analog monolith
wait is it really that bad to install to c:/program files
wanton tulip
theres a tiny little gap you can slip by when he goes all the back into the hallway but idk how to push him back there
so ill just do the kill
steady lynx
That's unreliable and also any% usually needs the geo both the Devouts drop for the stag anyway
digital jewel
yes you can skip the first devout but it's rare and also you lose a lot of geo
cold geyser
For All Skills nmg, which parts should I prioritize learning first?
zenith sorrel
dark rooms and ismas skips
maybe shade skip if you struggle with that
explosion pogo but you can also go around for the first couple runs
that's basically everything you need to start running
steady lynx
I'd say WK but honestly, DDark kinda destroys them
analog monolith
are fragile strength or greed worth it in steel soul any%
i'm assuming no because the nail upgrade is cheaper
digital jewel
no
analog monolith
aight
digital jewel
both of those charms are really expensive
harsh mason
fragile greed only applies to enemy drops too
analog monolith
greed isn't terribly expensive, it's 336
harsh mason
so you'd need to do like 12 decades of grinding for it to pay for itself
digital jewel
greed is literally useless and strength is still worse than other available charms
analog monolith
true
steady lynx
Strength is only really useful in categories that have to get it
grizzled maple
I have a video now for isma skips too if you feel you need more guidance
haughty fossil
strength is surprisingly useless w/ nail0
steady lynx
Strength gets good at Nail 3
grizzled maple
Yeah isnt strength one point weaker than fury at nail 0 lol
steady lynx
Just use Shaman Stone, it's fewer slots and it's the 2nd best charm in the game if you ask Youtube comment sections
2nd, after Compass
harsh mason
3rd
steady lynx
Oh right, Heavy Blow
harsh mason
behind the "talk to elderbug" charm and compass
steady lynx
My favourite is the Isma's Tear charm
cold geyser
can someone explain wallcling storage to me? i know next to nothing about it and understanding things is cool
grizzled maple
Basically the game keeps your wall cling state after leaving a wall. It can happen on accident, or from background objects. In speedruns its used to keep a wall jump for later for more height or just dash through a gate. While doing so you maintain your dash speed through the entire cling. There are also major uses such as the example where you can infinitely dash to crystal heart skipping the laser section, since dashing doesn't remove the wall cling state.
cold geyser
how is it performed?
grizzled maple
Theres a lot of different usages. If there's one in particular you want to know about that would help
The most common used in runs is the dashing through an opening gate version, which as I said makes you maintain that dash speed for longer than a usual dash. Its mostly patched from current patch.
Phone should be okay shawarp if that's all you have. As long as the video is readable and the audio is there.
cold geyser
oh, and while im asking questions, does 1.2.2.1 debug have working savestates? i know it has hazard respawn stuff but true savestates would be more useful
steady lynx
Okay, I was watching the all bosses base patch NMMS WR and... Can Fluke kill the same enemy several times at the same time in base patch?
formal bough
yeah, it's really fun in colos
steady lynx
Just noticed it when he killed Gorgeus Husk and the game froze for a few seconds
grizzled maple
Yeah thats one of my favorites. You get 16 gorgeous husk geo from it and it takes 80 years lol
steady lynx
Well, that also explains what was going on at WK
grizzled maple
Thats why I ended up learning that colo doesn't actually count the enemies in waves, just the number killed
steady lynx
So you can just get basically every enemy to spawn instantly?
grizzled maple
Yeah even skip some iirc
Some dont work and you do have to kill them specifically. Like I think the mimic is like that
steady lynx
Still sounds dope
grizzled maple
This is why I miss mick streams 
steady lynx
Is there a video of it?
grizzled maple
Hes good at explaining this stuff. My only glitch streamer
Yeah its in the 100% nmms wr for sure
steady lynx
Gonna put that on my watch later
grizzled maple
Its got less map on screen shenanigans so I actually like it a lot compared to other glitched runs
steady lynx
That'll be tomorrow, maybe while I'm doing runs
cold geyser
what is hollow knight RNG seeded off of?
steady lynx
I mean... While I'm dying to Hornet 2
I'm going back to safety benching on Twister, way comfier
I love how he kills all the grave warriors and then just leaves
stray kestrel
Okay, I was watching the all bosses base patch NMMS WR and... Can Fluke kill the...
is doing the fluke shenanigans allowed? dont you need to beat the bosses at the end of the colos anyways in all bosses?
haughty fossil
unity allows you to set a seed for randomness, but the issue is that HK rng is much deeper than actual rng, literally everything is random due to framerate inconsistencies and the like
stray kestrel
watcher's i saw serena do it on hidden dreams nmms and that seems like it should be a bit more allowed
steady lynx
Trust me, I run 112
haughty fossil
literally your inputs are random 🥴
steady lynx
On switch there's a 50/50 RNG call whenever you do an input when it decides if it should be dropped or not
stray kestrel
if you turn off vsync 
grizzled maple
When monstah does a neutral dash in the final flower quest room, he is safe. If I do the same I have a 2% chance of eating spikes
Random inputs are fun in my speedrun
steady lynx
That's because dash is framerate dependant?
grizzled maple
Yep
stray kestrel
monstah chooses his rng
grizzled maple
We talked about this before when I tried to figure out why I lost the flower one time
haughty fossil
i had my game freeze mid dash earlier and it extended my dash by like 50%
stray kestrel
that sounds like some terrible speed tech if you can make it consistent
steady lynx
I just kinda weenie all of Flower Quest because I'd rather go slightly slow than lose a minute to it breaking
grizzled maple
You can print screen to force lag but thats banned
haughty fossil
mayo framerate manip is banned in nmg, so unless you wanna run the whole run on a 3fps monitor with vsync on
i should stop twitch chatting and discord chatting at the same time
steady lynx
Remember kids 3fps Uumuu is optimal
haughty fossil
3fps lets you kill mound baldur with 1 fireball
steady lynx
What a run that'd be to watch
stray kestrel
just run on cheater patch jamie
haughty fossil
mound baldur
stray kestrel
oh that baldur
haughty fossil
yeah
steady lynx
Not the one outside GP
stray kestrel
just run nmms and dont do mound
thorn jasper
just run ||away from the game and your feelings and go live in the woods||
stray kestrel
but there's no uumuu rng to complain about in celeste
what are we going to blame when we are bad
steady lynx
Just mod in Uumuu
stray kestrel
that sounds like an awful chapter six
neon island
Or blame brain rng
analog monolith
blame seeker ai
pure vault
fr tho fuck seekers, specifically because when I die to them it’s my fault
and that makes me feel bad
keen cedar
anyone know if Antimicro works for Hollow Knight?
mild elbow
Is there a menderbug % category?
normal aspen
People have done runs but it's not on src (yet?)
short spire
there should be but for some reason it's not been added
short spire
it's a really hard boss regardless
dont worry it just requires a hell of a lot of practice
normal ember
analog monolith
my least favorite still deepnest + beast's den
grinding out a boss is infuriating but still ok and at least looks nice
deepnest just fucks you over in every way possible and also doesn't let you go fast
and is also creepy as hell
main reason i'm taking qga over fungal wastes
main reason i'm also probably never doing low% or anything else that requires dark deepnest
ember rain
main reason i'm also probably never doing low% or anything else that requires dark deepnest
@analog monolith dark deep nest sounds fucking awful
Steel soul any% apparently does that
And I just...no
lucid stirrup
i have probably like 3 hours on wk alone
get to around 50, you'll beat them in under 1:10 consistently
pure vault
anyone know if Antimicro works for Hollow Knight?
I use antimicro for HK so it def works
keen cedar
I use antimicro for HK so it def works
dang okay what controller do you use? maybe my razer just reads weird or something, I can't get it to work
pure vault
I use a smashbox and use antimicro to turn my inputs into kb inputs
keen cedar
dope okay, thank you
limpid ruin
(there is no 1:1 correlation between hours spent (no matter how efficiently) to skill gained)
(just practice well, and take it at your own pace, yall)
analog monolith
(aight thanks)
mighty trellis
all skills sub 50 when
thorn jasper
Pisces is actively working on that 
mighty trellis
thorn jasper
It's absurdly difficult, have patience
thorn jasper
what are all of your PBs
Check the leaderboards on src, there's a lot of us
random escarp
ok
i just joined this discord server
bt ive n
ive been playing hollow knight for over 2 years
snow dome
Are you thinking of getting into the speedrunning scene?
random escarp
yeah
im not the best my PB is 3hours and 23 minutes
i did it on my ps4 a long time ago
now im on my pc
snow dome
Well good luck.
random escarp
thanks
snow dome
If you're struggling with bits and pieces you can ask here, but be sure to check out the guides that are in the pins and on speedrun dot com
random escarp
ok
mighty trellis
is falling with dream nail a known glitch?
normal aspen
yeah
young coral
yo I have a question. My live split wont work and I dont understand why. I referred to the guides already but I think my auto split just doesnt work
It does activate but it doesnt start the timer when I start the run
do I have to feed the auto split the same splits that are on my normal live split?
jagged vault
yes
you need to configure the autosplitter to split at the correct points
do note that it automatically finishes the run upon any game ending
so if you're doing Any% for example, you don't need a The Hollow Knight autosplit at the end
dusk portal
Hi, I have a question for the Steel Soul runners (Even if there is no 112% Steel Soul official speedrun) Is the platforming part in the Abyss with Joni's Blessing Charm equipped considered a dream? (Sorry for my poor English, I'm not a native English Speaker)
jagged vault
the 112% APB run is exactly identical on steel soul to normal mode btw
there are no differences in the route
mighty trellis
I did sub 1:30 absrad
jagged vault
some runners even run it in steel soul because dying would lose too much time
but to answer your question: only the void heart climb cutscene counts as a dream in the abyss
dusk portal
Ok, thanks!
trim shale
gratz
jagged vault
ggs!
soft jolt
How can I get the speedrunner role here?
jagged vault
you can link your run here and the srcom mods will give you the role
jagged vault
so link the speedrun.com page where your run is located yes
jagged vault
if none of the mods are here you can try again and @ them but they're usually around so it shouldn't be necessary
but ggs on your first run!
thorn jasper
if none of the mods are here you can try again and @ them but they're usually ar...
@ Speedrun.com Mods, , not @ Mods
just to clarify
soft jolt
And changed the route, so it saved a buncha time
snow dome
1:20 RTA is really decent
soft jolt
With this route I feel I can get to 1:10 maybe
soft jolt
But to get lower than that I'll need the actual route
Watcher knights without descending dark are my kriptonite
jagged vault
it's very hard at first
any% nmg was my first ever speedrun
and i struggled quite a bit with watchers at first
like most people do
so don't worry if it doesn't go your way in the beginning
some practice will make them way more manageable
snow dome
Watcher knights without descending dark are my kriptonite
HAHAHA
Imagine getting descending dark to beat Watchers.
Nobody would do that.
👀
soft jolt
I created a save file to open godhome with minimum stuff to train them, because I play on PS4... No mods or save states
snow dome
Unrelated how do I delete my uploaded YouTube videos? 👀🙄👀
soft jolt
Unrelated how do I delete my uploaded YouTube videos? 👀🙄👀
Hahahaha
snow dome
Practicing Watchers on console sounds miserable. Not being able to turn off Shade Cloak is the hardest part, I think.
soft jolt
I got to godhome with any % build + desolate dive
jagged vault
i think if you do a run up to that point and just die on purpose on the last watcher when you know it's low
jagged vault
that should make for better practice
jagged vault
ideally you want to practice in the same circumstances as the speedrun
soft jolt
Yep
snow dome
Something you can do is get a USB flash drive and put a save on that at the bench. Kill Watchers, then quit out, and reload.
You could also just not drop the chandelier, and when you kill five s/q back to the bench. That should be pretty close to the actual fight, save the last watcher potentially being two Knights at the same time
frank cobalt
Man, shout out to the person in monstah's chat right now bragging that they have a 3:10 vengeful spirit. We gotta get this guy's strats.
jagged vault
lmao
hot osprey
i have a question about the hornet fight in greenpath
jagged vault
ask away!
hot osprey
if she throws her needle, does that reset the counter for how many hits it takes to stun her?
jagged vault
it doesn't reset, but pauses it
hot osprey
it should be 6 hits if im not mistaken, but whenever she throws it it takes way more
that is strange
jagged vault
hits during that attack don't add to it to be more specific
frank cobalt
Tbh that's honestly the best thing that could happen
She stands completely still in one spot and lets you beat the crap out of her
hot osprey
yeah thats true
i just find myself getting hit by it since im expecting her to get staggered and instead she just impales my heart (in more ways than one)
😦
frank cobalt
(Fwiw, the person I was talking about earlier is "hydringea" on twitch. Idk if you're in here fam, but come on lol)
jagged vault
for that attack you wanna jump over, 3 hits or a nail cancel or two, then jump over when the needle comes back
frank cobalt
@hot osprey there's a pretty big wind up that she's going to nail throw, so you can react with some practice
jagged vault
if you get it right you can get a lot of dps on her
frank cobalt
She will always shout something right before doing it, and you can see a visual wind up. Just keep an eye out for that
jagged vault
but don't worry if you're struggling at first, it's a hard game and an even harder speedrun
things will take time and practice, and everyone makes mistakes
gl 
hot osprey
yeah haha, im just going faster than i would usually so im taking damage more
thanks!
jagged vault
yeah figuring out how aggressive you can be is something that comes with experience
snow dome
<@366190653773840384> there's a pretty big wind up that she's going to nail thro...
Is it the big where she says "SHAW"
frank cobalt
She doesn't always say shaw
hot osprey
yea but she also says the other one
frank cobalt
Sometimes it's the other one
hot osprey
adino or whatever
snow dome
ADIDAS
jagged vault
edeeena!
frank cobalt
Or the hidale
hot osprey
omg wait
rich jackal
Hey guys, my 1221 version crash at start since 2-3 days, before the main menu appears on screen. can someone help me ? :x
hot osprey
no
jagged vault
hegale
hot osprey
its an amino sponsorship
jagged vault
hmm, lylia, that sounds weird
snow dome
It's an ADIDAS sponsorship
jagged vault
never happened to me, so i'm sorry but i don't think i can provide any meaningful help unfortunately
rich jackal
i tried reinstalling 1221 / current patch, windowed / compatibility mode, nothing work :/
frank cobalt
If you're dying because you're playing too aggressive, that's the right way to die. That means you're really trying to push the limits of what you can get away with @hot osprey
It's better to die playing aggressive than playing scared
viscid ermine
guys I just did a thingie 😃
hot osprey
It's better to die playing aggressive than playing scared
yeah true, thanks for your guys's help, ill keep trying!
ive had a few good runs, im getting better, its just consistency at this point
jagged vault
good mentality!
frank cobalt
It's a never ending process :)
jagged vault
frank cobalt
Through your journey, you'll find that your goal posts are constantly moving forward haha
uneven scarab
Ye
knotty vigil
do i need to have livesplit transparent in order to speedrun?
digital jewel
no not all
some people have it transparent over the game, some people have it small and over the game in an area that doesn't cover anything important, and some people reduce the size of the game and have livesplit to the side of it
soft jolt
I put mine on lower left, but watching doesn't seem that good, I think
Next time I'll put on upper right
soft jolt
I put mine on lower left, but watching doesn't seem that good, I think
Lower right*
Maybe smaller size as well
digital jewel
there's a pinned guide
knotty vigil
fireborn's guide? it doesnt seem to have loadless instructions
digital jewel
yes it does
steady lynx
Very difficult, but doable, never doing this again, fuck 5 mask Absrad
steady lynx
112 is better in every way
leaden python
yoo gusted that's huge gamer moment, big ggs
austere terrace
Hi there,
Do you know if there's a link to get HK icons for splits ? :)
grizzled maple
search icon in resources
austere terrace
Thanks !
limpid ruin
Otherwise there's also a dump of more (all?) sprites in #art-discussion pins if you find you wanna make more
chrome bramble
dull birch
nocturne field
How do I get live split to show over hollow knight if it's full screened?
Sometimes it does it automatically and others it won't
median gull
Usually what I do (since i don't like hk windowed) is:
Open the game > Open livesplit and INSTANTLY (before it fully opens) click HK again to maximize hk window
sometimes when you alt+tab you lose livesplit again, so avoid doing it
nocturne field
Ah ok
I'll try it
Im also having an issue with livesplit starting in the first place, I haven't even gotten it to start a timer, it's always a dash or a zero
grizzled maple
if youre talking about comparisons, the dash is because you havent finished a run and there's nothing to compare to. otherwise the dash is only when you skip a split. if it's just zeroes is might be a layout or comparison issue
nocturne field
If I split through all the splits it should fix it in theory then?
grizzled maple
you might need to post a screenshot for anyone to help science out what's wrong if that's not it
just do a run. if you just mash through you wont have real golds
also you would be comparing to 0s lol
+1:45:00 feels bad man
nocturne field
Ok haha
last inlet
idk, i found that using the link in the pins for livesplit/autosplit tutorial worked and the built-in one didnt
but i'm sure there is a way to use the built-in autosplitter
specifically the link in this msg
limpid ruin
That one is just a guide for how to set up the built in one
last inlet
the built in one is deactivated for me tho? or am i missing somethign
whole terrace
hey, I just finished my first ever speedrun, livesplit is done bud I'm not sure what to do now. Will my run save when i exit livesplit or do I have to save it manually? I really don't wanna lose it, thanks for your help
limpid ruin
@nocturne field make sure it's set to show "game time", and setting up autosplits
last inlet
if you hit 'save splits' you can just close livesplit i think
limpid ruin
And you should also start livesplit after the game
Split once more when it's done to "finish" the run completely, then save splits by right clicking yea
grizzled maple
if you reset splits youll be prompted to save golds if you got any, and if you finish a run youll be prompted to save splits AND save golds if you got any
before closing livesplit if any changes were made it will also prompt all of these things including any layout changes if they were made
whole terrace
okay so I can just close it and I won't lose anything? I'm so scared :D
grizzled maple
if you close it it'll prompt you. some people like to manually click save splits just in case
austere terrace
I played around with my splits a bit and now my :
1 : livesplit time goes green but stays at 0.00
2: Can't show split time ... The column displays PB instead ...
Any help ... :/
whole terrace
okay thank you so much
grizzled maple
screenshot things
grizzled maple
theres a lot that this could be. thats why i havent been able to help so far
limpid ruin
NVM, comparing game time with game not launch isn't any good ...
Yea. The game time works directly by reading stuff from the games running code, so it's always best to start livesplit after the game for that reason
grizzled maple
^
if youre on 1221 it wont work unless its opened after the controller recommended prompt. on current patch it doesnt matter, but its possible that it wont connect occassionally
limpid ruin
You can also reload splits and/or layout from the right click livesplit menu, that's worked for me when I've changed things and it not working
austere terrace
Cheers
grizzled maple
i think i see though, you were trying to set up livesplit without the game 
yeah that'll do it
limpid ruin
But: do you have livesplit entries setup? If you don't have any, it won't run either
grizzled maple
it's a good idea to have the game open and timer running while you set up your layout, so you can see how things look
ah yeah thats a good point too cerpin. the autosplitter requires one entry
limpid ruin
I was actually considering looking into that, so timing things would be one entire step easier, but not worth it atm 
nocturne field
I figured out both of my issues, thanks guys
Running livesplit as admin solved the splits not autosplitting, and I run hollow knight 1.2.2.1 through steam and I have steam launch it with the code for borderless windowed which let's LS show over the window
Now its time for me to learn the route and finish a run
limpid ruin
Gl on learning, you got this
dusky kettle
hello everyone, I'm gonna try a speedrun any percents, but i don't know to do the shade tricks or spells tricks or also the crystal dash just over the acid you have to do to skip some parts... does anyone know the best way to go through in that speedrun in order not to have tricks to do?
fringe turtle
Well I’m in here again to ask speedrun questions cause I’m dumb head but I’m having a problem, so when I open down patched hollow knight my controller disconnects
twin swallow
I just disconnect and reconnect mine on the main menu and it works (DS4 on 1221)
limpid ruin
If its a switch controller it's just not supported in 1221
twin swallow
@dusky kettle shade skip to blue lake is a major sequence break and your route will be massively different without it, requiring you to either enter city of tears the intended way (city crest, waterways and beat dung defender to get to right side) or do dark deepnest to get tram pass
so I would strongly recommend you learn it
the first acid skip in crossroads is very lenient and the second one is entirely optional (only saves about 40 seconds, you can take a much safer deepnest route to get to herrah instead)
nocturne field
(I havent tried it but maybe run HK through steam and use steams controller software to see if it works)
feral granite
at about what time should i go after the watcher knights in a 80 min speedrun
fringe turtle
Oh well I’m using a switch controller so that explains it
twin swallow
yeah switch pro support didn't exist on that patch sadly
grizzled maple
@dusky kettle Here's a doc I put together for new runners that detail a lot of information,
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10aXiOYQu-SLQlsyb5TTBfqFT8fNmBjyPJH7gJC8u_bk
also watch fireb0rn's video guide
dusky kettle
okok ty very much @twin swallow
grizzled maple
this doc also has the route through deepnest to avoid doing QGA
dusky kettle
and ty @grizzled maple
limpid ruin
You can use a program to "wrap" the signal from the controller so the pc sees it as a keyboard or xbox controller. I never remember names tho, but that's a good option @fringe turtle
joy2key or antimicro might work
narrow crater
@dry sluice HK is in the rock... is this a reset or can I prevent this from happening
dry sluice
did he just teleport there mid fight?
pretty sure you're fucked, the fight is just hope for good rng
narrow crater
he was gonna do the move with the yellow pillars i think
dry sluice
you have very little control over anything that happens in it
narrow crater
dang
dry sluice
yeah sometimes he'll just do that, its rare but there's nothing you can do to stop it if he does
dry sluice
no
if anything that might make it slower
only hit him if you need to to wake him up
narrow crater
ok thanks
digital jewel
also if you get knocked into the spikes your hazard respawn is somewhere out of bounds
so you won't be able to focus at the end of the fight
dry sluice
its in bounds just in a spot where you can't get back to the fight
digital jewel
yeah true
dry sluice
but yeah don't hit the spikes
digital jewel
it's outside of the camera bounds is what I meant
narrow crater
yea i did that my first run :(
dry sluice
you'll respawn back at the entrance to the room which you can't get to the fight from, you can only get in the first time cause you can clip past a loadzone without activating it by doing the soob
burnt grove
I created a save file to open godhome with minimum stuff to train them, because ...
you can get all the grubs and charms with minimal skills too, and use grubsong+elegy+deep focus (8 notches) to practice things like acid skips and explosion pogo
I had fun making my save for switch practice
needed some acids skips to do it, tho
austere terrace
Could anyone help me find how to add a column to my split layout just desplaying split PB ? Or Seg PB ?
nocturne field
About to time my VS split after learning it, bad time inc
grizzled maple
splits/subsplits are the same, but that's where the button is
you can set it to be whatever comparison you want, and even make manual comparisons
austere terrace
I want like a column with just PB at information like a constant value. No comparison
grizzled maple
i'm not sure what you mean honestly
like what are you trying to accomplish? like do you want to know where you stand vs a goal split time?
the pb information will be automatic once you have a pb. if you havent completed a run, it doesnt exist
austere terrace
like what are you trying to accomplish? like do you want to know where you stand...
This is what I aim for. The thing is that here, of I start the run, 2 AND 3rd column will show current split time. I want to see delta to PB, then current run time, and the 3rd showing PB time
Only filled time for first split tho, not a complete run done atm
stuck raptor
Looks like you have it
grizzled maple
oh so you still want to see your old pb time beside your current split time?
yeah that looks right
stuck raptor
You need to give it info though. It can't populate times without having times to put there
So you have to finish a run
austere terrace
Ok
grizzled maple
if you havent completed a run you only have best, average, and worst potentially populated.
but once you complete a full run youll have a pb comparison too
livesplit is a smart program
wet oar
I might of found a useful glitch
austere terrace
I thought I can manage this by populate only first splits when practicing
grizzled maple
there's a chance it might be known, but go ahead annihilazer
wet oar
I clicked up at a stag station while I was opening my map and I teleported to the bench in the room
jagged vault
were you standing close to the bench?
jagged vault
hmm, is it possible you can recreate and record this?
stuck raptor
You have interaction storage
jagged vault
oh it's already known nvm
stuck raptor
You get it by pressing up and cancelling it at the edge of the object
Like the bench
Also works on doors
Or any other thing you can interact with
Pressing up or down again will cause the action to happen
wet oar
I don’t think I walked off a ledge tho
jagged vault
what ledge
grizzled maple
he said edge not ledge
stuck raptor
Edge of the object. Like the bench
wet oar
Aah
stuck raptor
You probably cancelled it with a nail swing or a dash
wet oar
Prolly
grizzled maple
mick and allie (krythom) are the resident experts on these things
wet oar
Couldn’t you activate a cutscene somewhere else in the map by doing that?
dry sluice
it only lasts for the room its in
or else you're trying to activate something from an object that doesn't exist in the scene
wet oar
Well in a room that had a cutscene and something else couldn’t you do that?
jagged vault
the only interactable cutscene i can think of is PoP cutscene
stuck raptor
the most useful thing you can do with this is interact with a bench, change your Y coordinate, and then press up to move to the X coordinate while keeping your Y one
so you can phase through some walls
dry sluice
the one real use of it is a skip to shade soul without VS or anything
stuck raptor
but there's f aster ways of doing that where useful anyways
jagged vault
oh radiance too ig
wet oar
I wonder if there’s a way to keep a room loaded if your not in it?
dry sluice
room dupes
stuck raptor
^
dry sluice
but its very limited
stuck raptor
though you're still "in" the room
dry sluice
you can't just take any room anywhere you want
stuck raptor
the scene is loaded
wet oar
How does it happen?
stuck raptor
on top of each other
lol
useful in very specific circumstances. disastrous in others
wet oar
What if you teleport to a bench as your exiting a room?
wet oar
Wait you click up to go up to dirtmoutb
stuck raptor
you can store multiple too
but it will prioritize the first one you stored
tried doing it to go thru 2 doors at the same time
doesn't work
dry sluice
even if it did doors are sync loads so it wouldn't dupe unfortunately, you'd just be in the one that loaded second
wet oar
Could you trick it into putting you in the wrong door?
stuck raptor
nope
wet oar
Aah
stuck raptor
for how broken this game is, at least TC got discrete load zones right
can't go thru load zones that aren't in the current scene
dry sluice
door storage can be used for room dupes if you do a normal loadzone and then interact, but thats not very useful generally
wet oar
I was wondering if we could just go straight to the hollow knight lol
grizzled maple
that would be a cool find if anyone ever got it
grizzled maple
but yeah what kry said
dry sluice
gets deleted when you enter the room
grizzled maple
if you havent seen the any% AG wr you should watch it. this game is spaghetti as heck
stuck raptor
mms super broken
wet oar
I saw it lol
nocturne field
4:47 for my VS run but I deleted the split 😭
wet oar
Wait what if you enter the black egg room through a duped room?
nocturne field
Oh well time to run it again
stuck raptor
that's what any% does
nocturne field
That's definitely slow af and I fudged alot of stuff lol
dry sluice
going through the door would un-dupe you, but even if it didn't like I said the door doesn't exist
you need the dreamers
wet oar
Well does it exist if you never go in the room?
dry sluice
no
it doesn't try to load until you go into the room, when you go into the room if you don't have dreamers it gets deleted instantly
stuck raptor
i mean, MAYBE if you could interrupt that deletion sequence
but we have no way of doing that
dry sluice
you can't even input before its deleted
stuck raptor
yeah
there'd have to be a way to break the room loading code execution
before it starts
so.... no
dry sluice
just find ACE and execute the enter door code easy
stuck raptor
^
wet oar
Has anyone tried entering black egg room with room dupe?
wet oar
To get into the room
dry sluice
yes
you cannot
room dupes only work because normal loadzones are asynchronous, doors like that are not asynchronous so they stop the dupe
deft flame
what exactly is the "end triggering autosplit" option in hk auto splitter on livesplit?
grizzled maple
its automatic on any ending
deft flame
so i should have it checked then
dry sluice
also the answer to any "has anyone tried" questions you have is going to be yes 99.9% of the time
that option is for categories that don't end on a normal ending of the game so you want the timer to stop on collecting a grub or something
wet oar
I thought you enter the black egg room by walking?
dry sluice
you do not
wet oar
Not entering the black egg
limpid ruin
so i should have it checked then
nah, its meant for segment practice and meme runs
late halo
aw man i got a 4 mnt pop run
stuck raptor
The temple is in the middle of the room
dry sluice
there's an interaction to get into the room with the dreamer door, and then the dreamer door is also an interaction
deft flame
oohh ok i get it now
late halo
that's really good for me
deft flame
thanks
wet oar
Wait when does the dream door get deleted before the entering the the temple or after you enter the temple?
stuck raptor
It doesnt
There's just a cutscene
But you can walk thru the closed door
Cuz it's just a texture
wet oar
So the trigger is gone but the door is still there?
dry sluice
sure if thats how you want to think about it
the trigger is the door though
like mick said the door is just a texture it doesn't have anything to do with how it works
stuck raptor
don't have dreamers -> no door exists
have dreamers -> door exists
the cutscene that "opens the door" makes no difference
wet oar
Room not loaded -> door exists?
dry sluice
no
why would it exist if the room isn't loaded
if the room isn't loaded nothing in the room exists
wet oar
True
stuck raptor
i mean, the code that says "if you interact with this load zone, it will bring you to the other one" is still in the code, but you can't go thru it
cuz it's not loaded in
which is why krythom was saying that just discover arbitrary code execution (ACE) and you could tell the game to send us to that HK scene whenever
dry sluice
I don't know what you're asking
wet oar
I forget what the room is like lol
I’m trying to figure out if we can get door storage and do a room dupe or something
wet oar
Wait I’m confused
dry sluice
I know
stuck raptor
the interactable thing that brings you into the black egg is not there unless you have 3 dreamers
it's not in the scene
so you can't store an interaction with it, b/c it's not there yet
the load zone doesn't exist
wet oar
The trigger isn’t there right?
dry sluice
yes
stuck raptor
when you enter that room, the game checks for dreamer count. if you have 3, it loads that interaction object
if not, it doesn't
wet oar
Ok there’s 2 different things I’m talking about rn
nocturne field
How's this for my second go at getting VS?
late halo
How's this for my second go at getting VS?
gj
wet oar
The trigger that lets you press up and the door that brings you to hk
dry sluice
just to make it easier for you, nothing exists, there is no door, there is no trigger, nothing exists, you cannot store it, you cannot interact with it, you cannot dupe it, even if you could you would still not be able to go through it
wet oar
O
wet oar
Aah
stuck raptor
that's at the end of that super super long room with the bench in it
we're talking about the black egg temple door, with the 3 dreamer icons on it
which is a door transition. not the same thing
that door, leads into that super long room
wet oar
I wonder if a wrong warp is possible?
dry sluice
no
wet oar
Aah
dry sluice
unless you find ACE and then count that as a wrong warp
tough breach
the load isn't in the room you'd be potentially able to wrong warp in
wet oar
where does it put the door?
dry sluice
what does that mean
wet oar
Does it delete it or put it somewhere else
ionic sparrow
The door doesn’t exist unless you’re in the room with the door
ionic sparrow
Yeah that’s what I meant
Not really what I said but yeah
Brain goes smart
Door doesn’t exist unless dreamers are dead so you can’t make it exist without the dreamers being dead
wet oar
Is it in a different scene or does the door just appear when you have the dreamers
tough breach
dry sluice
it does not exist until you have the dreamers
it is not somewhere else
as we have said
it does not exist
wet oar
i just want to break the game lol
dry sluice
yes but you're repeating the same question 100 times that we have already answered
wet oar
K then
winter flume
Hey guys, I'm not an HK runner so I'm confident this will be already known or useless, but I ran into a glitch and figured I'd share just in case. I was playing the pantheons and in a rest room I broke the life seed sac. Then I used the crystal heart dash to head to the next room while also killing the lifeseeds. I killed all three but I entered the door just before it could award me the third blue mask, so I only had two. In the next battle I took two damage and the two blue ones depleted normally leaving me with only white masks. Then the third hit of damage made a blue mask reappear. Seems like its maybe just a visual glitch though and not actually interesting. But it did stick around the entire time until I died in a later battle.
tough breach
the game is already extremely broken btw
winter flume
tough breach
Hey guys, I'm not an HK runner so I'm confident this will be already known or us...
seems like just visual yeah
steady lynx
Yeah, that happens because of team cherry spaghetti
Had it happen a few times when attempting all bindings
tough breach
more specific information about the door: it exists but has a check that immediately deletes it on entering the scene, but due to the animation when entering doors delaying it, nothing would happen even if you could somehow interact with the door instantly
winter flume
For a second when it happened i was excited that maybe i actually got extra health out of the deal haha
wet oar
So it does exist as long as you dont enter the room
steady lynx
Yeah, so just get to the door without being in the room with the door
wet oar
Is door storage possible?
steady lynx
I really don't think so
tough breach
So it does exist as long as you dont enter the room
what does this even mean
nothing in the room exists if you don't enter it
wet oar
Bench storage exists
dry sluice
dude, the door does not exist in any situation unless you have dreamers, you can do door storage but not on this door because it does not exist to be stored
wet oar
So I’m wondering if we could do the same thing to doors
tough breach
you can store an interact prompt for a door for later use but only within the same scene
and there's no way to go into a different door with that
limpid ruin
So it does exist as long as you dont enter the room
It does not exist, because the room doesn't exist
wet oar
I’m not talking about the door in the black egg
dry sluice
none of them exist
steady lynx
If there was a way to get into that door that was as simple as storing it runners would've found it ages ago
dry sluice
you're not in the room
limpid ruin
Is the scene loaded? Then yes, the door probably exists.
Is the scene NOT loaded? Then no, it does NOT exist.
tough breach
rooms are loaded via string names like "Crossroads_01", so it's not like you just have to get some number +- some amount to get to a specific room
it's not even slightly realistic to wrong warp in that way
just in case that's what you mean
dry sluice
also if you mean door like the type that actually leads to the fight then no those cannot be stored
wet oar
I want to enter the temple by using the storage glitch
dry sluice
you cant
dull birch
But you can't
wet oar
O
dull birch
This has been said several times already
tough breach
I don't think you understand what storage means in this game
wet oar
I thought you just just store any interaction lol
tough breach
you can
digital jewel
this is feeling repetitious
thorn jasper
I thought you just just store any interaction lol
I think the summary is "yes, but there's nothing to interact with"
?
stuck raptor
you lose the storage when you leave the room
wet oar
Clicking up on a door isn’t an interaction?
stuck raptor
but it's not there if you don't have the dreamers
limpid ruin
what door are you thinking about even?
wet oar
The one that brings you to the room with the black egg
dry sluice
ok sure you could store that but what are you planning to do with it
look dude I'm all for breaking the game but we're all telling you multiple times what you're trying to do isn't possible and you're wasting our time by repeatedly asking the same things
wet oar
I was gonna see if it’s possible to over ride the check the removed the door by entering another room or doing room dupe or something
tough breach
as if my time is valuable lmao
harsh mason
thats not how transitions work
or how storing stuff that can't be manually ended works
limpid ruin
good luck annihilazer
wet oar
K
formal bough
Let me try to explain the idea that wouldn't work. You have the door that gets deleted. They want to interaction storage on the door (which doesn't exist), then go to a different screen and since the door now exists they want to then use that interaction storage. But you can't do interaction storage on the deleted door, because there is nothing to interact with.
(Did I understand your idea correctly annihilazer?)
limpid ruin
also you would have to do some heavy overflow glitches to somehow load the room and skup past the dreamer check
wet oar
Can you go through doors anywhere if you have them in storage ?
limpid ruin
which i wouldnt hold my breath for
wet oar
Cause I was gonna try and go through the door as I leave the room
limpid ruin
good luck
wet oar
Is it possible to go through stored doors at any time?
harsh mason
you can't even interact with the door, even if you existed on top of it the frame it existed
haughty fossil
the door is destroyed before you get a chance to get storage, so you cannot store the door
formal bough
What you want to do is eat an apple in a room. The moment you walk into the room you see the apple isn't there. You put your mouth around where the apple would be, walk into a different room, and bite. The apple isn't suddenly now in your mouth because you went into a different room. You would need the apple to have been there first.
harsh mason
because the fsm checks dreamers before it enables the hitbox
wet oar
I’m storing the temple door
haughty fossil
what will you do with the temple door
enter the temple from elsewhere in the room outside the temple?
wet oar
Yes
haughty fossil
that would do nothing, you'd still get sent to the same transition
knotty vigil
formal bough
The temple door does not exist. You can't do that. It doesn't exist. The apple is not in the room to get eaten.
wet oar
Possibly open on the frame that I I leave the room
haughty fossil
I can't tell if you mean the black egg door or the temple door at this point 
harsh mason
load the fsm final boss door-control
wet oar
im just theorizing rn I cant play
wet oar
I’m storing the temple door
formal bough
It's not a closed door, the door just doesn't exist
You can't store something that doesn't exist
thorn jasper
*im just theorizing rn I cant play*
and everyone who has theorized more is telling you that your suggestions are impossible
wet oar
I’m not going in the door
harsh mason
you will see this code in there
limpid ruin
can we call mods at this point?
this is genuinely becoming more than just repetitive
wet oar
Sry ;-;
thorn jasper
@wet oar Many folks here feel that enough of this channel's time has been dedicated to this discussion. I think many people want to move on
tough breach
storing the door outside the temple wouldn't accomplish anything
winter flume
I am getting fantastic "it's not my wallet" spongebob skit vibes rn
wet oar
Well it might do something
haughty fossil
summary:
- you can't store the egg door as it does not exist
- storing the temple door does nothing as the temple door only takes you into room_temple
wet oar
If for some reason the check gets canceled because you enter a a different room
limpid ruin
Your time would be better spent trying to find a way to write to RAM at will
thorn jasper
can anyone who still wants to discuss this start a group DM? I'd like to see this channel open to other questions
dry sluice
I would desperately like to stop discussing this
wet oar
Ok can I clear something up
thorn jasper
no
wet oar
;-;
limpid ruin
Thank you for your time and effort, now please move on or test stuff on your own without bothering us
thorn jasper
not here anyway. like I suggested, start a DM
with someone who wants to keep talking
wet oar
Imma try and tas it or something
dry sluice
uh huh
dull birch
Good luck
harsh mason
ill save you the time
steady lynx
Good luck
haughty fossil
the infamous HK tas
harsh mason
you can not wrong warp
steady lynx
Have fun
true hound
good luck
dull birch
I love hk tas'
dry sluice
hk does not have TAS tools
dull birch
thorn jasper
wet oar
Sad
true hound
earnest carbon
but what if you store the tas tools
wet oar
Lol
steady lynx
Just wrong warp tas tools from Ocarina of time
wet oar
I’ll prolly use python lol
harsh mason
hey you can tas hk, it just desyncs instantly 
dull birch
Use ACE and turn the door into an arwing
haughty fossil
the door is actually loaded when you kill myla
thorn jasper
wet oar
i tas’sed a web game I can tas hollow knight to
haughty fossil
it's unity
wet oar
Web games are incredibly hard to tas lol
thorn jasper
#modding-discussion also exists
harsh mason
unity is non-deterministic
you have to do a lot of low level engine stuff to make it tasable
haughty fossil
to put it bluntly - unity timekeeping and inputs suck. any tas will immediately desync due to how bad unity is at timekeeping. fire made a macro to try and show off skins, and even that (which lasted like 10s) kept desyncing
wet oar
Oof
haughty fossil
unless you change how unity works, tas will not work
wet oar
Well you could possibly use an emulator buuutt
harsh mason
unity is still non-deterministic
due to rng being based on call order
and unity loads scripts which then call rng, in random orders
wet oar
Aah
jovial acorn
no hk multiplayer w ggpo 😔
deft flame
finally managed to get past wk in a couple runs, although in one of them it took 3 tries
dull birch
Nice! Congrats!
dull birch
You got this!
rocky dirge
The LiveSplit auto splitter isn't working for me on 1.2.2.1. but is on 1.4.3.2. And also the Load Remover isn't working on any patch
rotund jackal
- Did you make sure to start livesplit after hk in both instances?
- Are you comparing to game time?
rotund jackal
well then I don't know about 1) but I would advise to double check 2)
because if it can autosplit it can also remove load for sure
stray kestrel
would ordered splits be messing with it?
grizzled maple
it shouldnt
rocky dirge
It doesn't even start on 1.2.2.1 and even if I start manually it stays at 0
But is working on current patch
grizzled maple
is the autosplitter enabled
did you select hollow knight from the drop down or did you type it in manually
limpid ruin
do you have any autosplit entries?
grizzled maple
you need at least one ^
rocky dirge
Yes
limpid ruin
can you share your layout+split files?
limpid ruin
i got this by default, I use all game time in all my own layouts
thorn jasper
i got this by default, I use all game time in all my own layouts
I always get that when opening random downloaded splits files
limpid ruin
yea, might be why. Weird that it wouldnt work, as its setup properly it looks like (outside of the last autosplit, you can remove that one)
rocky dirge
I actually had game time for when I was testing the auto splits and when I tried to start the run but the timer would just be stuck at 0 and then set to real time to see if the timer was even working in the first place and never set it back to game time
limpid ruin
now thats a big mood moment
digital jewel
what autosplits do you have set up
limpid ruin
just regular any% (remove abyss shriek), its properly set up
rocky dirge
that was an accident and I've removed it already
digital jewel
try:
-check ordered splits
-run livesplit as administrator
-move your livesplit install out of the Program Files folder
hopefully just the first 2 will fix it
short spire
and youre restarting livesplit anytime you launch the game right
rocky dirge
yes
digital jewel
is the downpatch exe named the exact same
buoyant granite
people should speedrun completing forgotten crossroad
all grubs
all charms
all bosses
deft flame
can you give yourself your shade back in debug mod?
elder gale
No but you can 'kill self' any time anywhere if you forgot where your shade is
Or if you can give it back plz tell me. I just use that way
deft flame
yeah i tried but couldn't find it, i guess you can't
steady lynx
Okay, which src mod do I have to bribe to get Godhome Ending on console boards?
limpid ruin
Honestly just submit it to the regular one. We don't need to spread it even thinner imho
snow dome
can you give yourself your shade back in debug mod?
You can go to JoJo's hut and just give yourself Rancid egg
steady lynx
Honestly just submit it to the regular one. We don't need to spread it even thin...
That works too
ember rain
Me: Maybe I'll finally record sub hour for the leaderboard
Also me
PB by 7 minutes c:
narrow crater
what are the autosplits for AG
digital jewel
this is what I have on my splits
oh it still has VS
oops
and I think city splits weirdly actually with the dupe route
dull birch
Quick question about uumuu. Are it's attack cycles completely rng and I'm just getting really unlucky with the four attacks before quirrel comes in, or is there something that could cause the fourth attack cycle like positioning?
verbal stag
its 100% rng
dull birch
That's what I had assumed, but just wanted to check since I've gotten it like 6 times in a row now 
ayyy rng
short spire
should be somewhere around a 15% chance to get an extra on the first cycle iirc
25% on the second cycle
steady lynx
Unless you're on PB pace, then it's 90% extra
vital thicket
wooo just finished the game in under 6 hours. probably could have gotten the 5 hour achievement if it wasn't for deepnest lol
sick ravenBOT
Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602
vital thicket
thanks yea i'll check out that guide. gotta get into speedrunning more
unkempt saddle
my best race is 56 mins on the newest patch
haughty fossil
yooooo shoutouts
mighty trellis
my best run is 2 hours and 3 minutes on cp
narrow crater
watch an SRC run and you'll find them
SRC?
short spire
narrow crater
oh well yea they have the splits but not the autosplit triggers
worthy sluice
Howdy do fellas, i have been attempting to complete an any% speedrun, however... i suck, so i keep dying at watcher knights, plz help...
twin swallow
it's completely normal, any% watchers suck
worthy sluice
I figured that out on my own (T_T)
Worst part, i dont play on pc, i play on an inmodified xbox, so i cant savestate right outside, i have to do the walk of shame all the way back to the room
hearty adder
Everyone suffers at any% WKs, really the best thing there is to do is watch guides for strats and do your best
worthy sluice
Im just trying to get a run i can get there in (on a good day) 30 minutes and i try not to throw away runs, but i dont want to have my first run be three hours because i kept dying to watcher knights
ITS PAIN
twin swallow
everyone's first run is bad but finishing a run is important so that you have a goal to work towards
nothing quite like a 1 hour PB
hearty adder
Your first run should be a run that you start and you finish
regardless of how long it takes you
just being able to finish it regardless of how good or bad you feel it went
then you'll be able to set goals for improving yourself
and you'll get less shy about trying and failing
worthy sluice
Good to know my pain is shared (maybe but it would be nice if nobody besides me struggled with watcher knights)
fading fern
Won't upload this one because of maaaaaaany mistakes that happened during the run (especially towards the end game where my memory started to fail and I even forgot to put down a dream gate)
BUT
I did get 1st try on NKG>HK>Radiance even with the game lagging on the last two
Ax2u is scary, their WR is like one hour faster than my sum of best 
worthy sluice
Nice, way better than any time i think i would be able to achieve meanwhile im stuck at THE FREAKING WATCHER KNIGHTS!!!!!!
grizzled maple
They do be like that
fading fern
You can do them I believe in you 💜
also funny yo usay that, the dream gate I forgot to put down was the one at the base of the Watcher Knights' tower
oak lintel
lifeblood is useful i prefer it over healing charms for wk
small magnet
I spent about 30 hours practicing WK exclusively and even then was only able to get a kill maybe 50% of the time.
oak lintel
Ya know, i cant even do the first freaking one
do you have shade cloak?
worthy sluice
No im doing an any% rout
grizzled maple
You're in #speedrunning moo
worthy sluice
Route*
small magnet
I definitely recommend watching the guides like people have already mentioned. Mastering the nail > fb > nail > nail combo on that first knight helped a lot in keeping the fight clean for me
small magnet
Doing the optimal strats for it can feel frustrating at first because you're going to suck, but I think it will ultimately help you faster than just "attempting to survive"
small magnet
But, that's the opinion of a white name. I'm still new to speedrunning also, but that seemed to help me
worthy sluice
I dont know when to use the fireball to make it connect
grizzled maple
The secret is we barely know anything either 
worthy sluice
Does anyone
deft flame
When i try fb nail nail he always hits me
try fb -> nail -> jump + nail
grizzled maple
No this game is peepo
worthy sluice
Aight
deft flame
or nail -> nail -> jump + nail -> dash behind them -> nail -> fb
fading fern
Every runner is screaming internally in joy whenever they kill a boss bcs we just winging it
grizzled maple
Look at the pins in #any-percent-nmg and watch pests video
worthy sluice
Im consistent with false knight!
grizzled maple
Thats the best advice anyone can give for wk
deft flame
yeah, pests video is a lifesaver
worthy sluice
I was looking at fires
small magnet
I've only watched Fire's video on it, I'll have to check out Pest's
grizzled maple
I think pest breaks it down more so I've heard
worthy sluice
Alright! Ill give it a look
grizzled maple
I'm not an any% runner and ive been here too long to see the current material
deft flame
also, what really worked for me is save stating before the fight and doing only the first knight while he's alone a bunch of times in a row
until i got the basic combo down
small magnet
Just practicing with nails is really smart
worthy sluice
Well.... i cant get past the first one, so i guess i kinda need to pratice the first one over and over
grizzled maple
Yeah thats what I like to tell people. First of all play to live. Dont try to be fast, you can do that later. Step two just dodge... for an hour or more if you have to. That way you learn your openings. Step three is learning how to use the nail and nail cancel fireball correctly which pests video teaches pretty well
deft flame
also try to understand what you did wrong each time you fail
small magnet
The first one is great to just practice what Pest and Fire are talking about with getting that rhythm
Once you can do the 3 nail hits + jump consistently you can start to butter one of the hits with a fireball for full combo
grizzled maple
That advice is good for basically any fight in this game
small magnet
buffer*
Not butter
You can butter too if you want though, why not. Butter the crap out of it
deft flame
butter the wk then eat that mf
worthy sluice
Thank you guys btw for the tips, imma keep grinding until i can get that first run out!
harsh pasture
Does anyone know which controllers work wirelessly with patch 1221? I have tried DualShock 4 and Switch Pro Controller. Both do not work.
twin swallow
DS4 works fine for me on 1221, Ijust have to disconnect and then reconnect the controller on the main menu
switch pro controller was not supported on 1221, so you will need to use joy2key or similar to map your controller inputs to keyboard inputs
harsh pasture
Ah ok. I was having to disconnect and reconnect with Wired DS4. I'll try the same with wireless.
knotty vigil
is speedrunning hk hard?
grizzled maple
Thats too subjective to answer
knotty vigil
ok
grizzled maple
Your own skill level going in, ability to pick up on things, experience with gaming and speedrunning, knowledge of the game, etc will all contribute. No one has the same experience.
normal aspen
Thay said I think it's a good first speed game. It was my first and it didn't feel insurmountable
tropic fable
hu
small magnet
4th completed run and got under an hour!
olive smelt
was super excited about my first acid skip!! :’)
small magnet
Acid skips feel so good when you get them lol
quartz elk
next stop: qga
elder gale
Thank god that first acid skip is so easy
versed elbow
I legit think Watcher Knights are gonna be the reason I don't even bother learning to run this game.
I hate that fight and knowing it's required makes me wanna do it even less.
verbal stag
you can learn a different category like all skills which has ddark for wk
limpid ruin
its more fun when you learn it properly ngl
but yea, other categories are better anyway bc movement
verbal stag
limpid ruin
after getting learning with all skills, any% WK and stuff was much easier to pick up as well
snow dome
Watcher Knights was a huge barrier for me, but I spend most of my downtime in hollow knight just beating them up in Godhome now
It's tonnes of fun
limpid ruin
Yea. I find WK simple enough in individual complexity that the fight gets fun from that. Its not like youre dealing with 10000 different combinations, they have like only 4 attacks, 2 of which are the same (roll back/roll not back) + (swing, jump), and while janky that means there's only ever like 9 different combos available
and most of the time theyre slow enough that you can whack on them
knotty vigil
how do you open your inventory mid air like what speedrunners do.
pastel mortar
i also want to know 
jaunty anvil
u can only do it on older patches !
rugged crow
its not possible on current patch, if you're on pc then you can down patch to a version where you can do it. if you're on console all consoles are on current patch. you can still do the trick while walking off of a platform and opening your inventory!