speedrunning

[jagged vault]

Go on speedrun dot com, choose the steel soul category and watch the record

[twin swallow]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight#Any_Steel_Soul runs to watch

[jagged vault]

Refer to that route

[trim ferry]

my route deathless is 1hr 23 min. Less if I improve

[twin swallow]

I would hope a steel soul route is deathless by definition 🤔

[trim ferry]

well I mean its a route I run in regular too

[short spire]

i think the all glitches run is deathless

and thats less than 10 minutes

[jagged vault]

But yeah cosmo those runs on the leaderboard use the optimal route

If it helps, write down a route as you watch to remember everything easier

That’s usually really helpful when learning a new category

[trim ferry]

WAIT YOU CAN SKIP HORNET DIALOGUE?

[neon island]

Yeah

with a fireball

[trim ferry]

current?

[neon island]

Yeah, I think you can do it on both cp and 1221

[twin swallow]

you can

[grizzled maple]

its not worth it though

[neon island]

^

[grizzled maple]

thats why basically no one does it.

[trim ferry]

#1 skipped it

[grizzled maple]

youre losing 15 dps that you would otherwise be able to hit her with. the single category where it could be worth is 106% since it uses fury for dps and comes in with full soul

[trim ferry]

inventory drop is just harder to do current right?

[grizzled maple]

its only worth otherwise when you do a calculated double hit fight against her

its physics frame perfect on current patch and can only be done from ledges

1/50 of a second. basically everyone goes for every one and just doesnt care if they miss it. its expected to

[steady lynx]

Hornet text skip is faster if you have Fury, is in Fury and you have full soul

That's the only case it should be used

[trim ferry]

i see what yall mean

[steady lynx]

Never happens in runs

[grizzled maple]

or the double hit fight gusten, which is what wr did

[trim ferry]

explosion pogo possible in current without damage?

[grizzled maple]

its not worth going for as a new runner though

yes but its complicated

[trim ferry]

(im a fan of current runs)

[grizzled maple]

your options are to do this
#resources message

[steady lynx]

Honestly, if I try doing the text skip I get thrown off some rhythm I have in that fight

[grizzled maple]

or go to the description of my video and watch that one instead

its extremely precise and difficult. basically everyone who runs a cp category does vsync

damageless is stupid

[steady lynx]

I'm privileged, my game runs on vsync by default

[trim ferry]

wait wait wait

this guy went into deepnest without lamp and has comfortable visibility

[grizzled maple]

yes, dark deepnest is part of this route

[trim ferry]

oh i guess not all of deepnest is pitch black?

[grizzled maple]

homothety is actually king of darknest. kinda a meme. he even does it in rando

only the sections with the mushrooms have mid light. the leftmost areas with the spiders are fully dark

[trim ferry]

what im saying is I can see where he is going comfortably

[grizzled maple]

its something you would need to learn to do the optimal route

[trim ferry]

oh ok I guess hes just not in the darkest places yet

[grizzled maple]

honestly i dont know the route so he might not go that way

this is kind of a niche category

[trim ferry]

or maybe I just didnt realize how visible deepnest is without lamp

[steady lynx]

any% Steelsoul?

[trim ferry]

ye

[jagged vault]

It goes through the pitch black parts

[steady lynx]

Blue, any%SS when?

[jagged vault]

I’d honestly recommend you learn regular any%, since it’s a more beginner friendly run

[steady lynx]

Slightly better than SS any%, but that game isn't out yet

I wonder if SS will have SS

[trim ferry]

I know the path for any% regular

[jagged vault]

It has leaderboards just for Current Patch, since you mentioned you like current patch more

[trim ferry]

I race casually with friends and Im just trying to learn little things

They run the optimal path and I run a deathless route. we near tie

I am currently wondering if my route optimized can run under a hour or more

[twin swallow]

not sure I'd call dark deepnest a "little thing" to learn, but idk

[grizzled maple]

its really not terrible

[trim ferry]

If it can, my route can be similar in time to homothety any% sS

[grizzled maple]

i learned it for low% switch before i realized low% switch is a stupid idea no one should ever run

[steady lynx]

I'd put it under True Ending in category difficulty

[haughty fossil]

dark deepnest is the entire point of rando

[steady lynx]

@ Trombon

[jagged vault]

Any% SS?

[grizzled maple]

do i need to make a darknest video

i swear its simple as heck

[twin swallow]

I can do dark deepnest from dv side, but from tram side it's just ?????

[trim ferry]

im super bothered by the visibility in homothety's deepnest

[jagged vault]

Em it’s not a bad idea

That’s how darknest is

The entire left half is pitch black

[grizzled maple]

the low% one is harder because you actually do have to do a sketchy jump and care about spider spacing

but this? nah

[trim ferry]

ok I hope thats just it, that its the left you cant see

[jagged vault]

Once you learn it that is

[haughty fossil]

tram side dark deepnest is more difficult to learn because you have to climb up, and the first room can be annoying without dash counting. dv side and qg side are comparatively entirely free

[steady lynx]

low% switch is about the only switch category I have 0 interest in running currently

It's like worse any%

[grizzled maple]

fungal skip with 60 fps

[haughty fossil]

qg side darknest is done with full movement in all skills (and only the bare minimum), dv side is only done in rando

[jagged vault]

Anything with 60fps

[haughty fossil]

fireball turnarounds on switch sound horrible

[steady lynx]

It is horrible

[trim ferry]

look, homothety goes out of the way for tram pass, my route goes out of the way for desolate dive. Thats the only detour. I really want to see it

(ss)

[grizzled maple]

tram is only as a shortcut to right side city asap

[haughty fossil]

tram pass route is optimal because you can immediately quit to the deepnest bench and do herrah after getting dream nail

[grizzled maple]

as the normal any% route does a shade skip to get there, this one goes through tram

[haughty fossil]

also sanctum slow

[trim ferry]

oh you can quit to bench from tram pass?

that changes things

[jagged vault]

Trampass is not a hardsave

[haughty fossil]

on your way to tram pass, you bench at the deepnest hot spring. After picking it up you Benchwarp and take the tram to city, climb up and grab dream nail (and I think Kings stag?)

[trim ferry]

im practicing breezing through Soul sanctum but its tricky with those twisters

[jagged vault]

Sanctum is the worst

Literal rngfest

[grizzled maple]

sanctum is basically always going to be slower because 1 its awful and has too much rng, and 2 because dive is a hard save

just removing that from your route alone is massive

[haughty fossil]

After dream nail you can quitout to the deepnest bench again and go to herrag

[trim ferry]

i mean it, if you can slide thru soul sanctum it will be rewarding and great for time (ss)

at least I feel that way

[grizzled maple]

i cannot stress how slow sanctum is

[haughty fossil]

I mean, darknest route is proven to be optimal by some time difference

[grizzled maple]

the only categories that go there are runs that require dive such as all skills and 1xx%

[steady lynx]

Even the Soul Master fight alone is slow

[trim ferry]

i wont argue because Im clearly not practiced but I want to believe

[haughty fossil]

[grizzled maple]

i mean if you're just doing casual runs that's your choice, but you're asking speedrunners about how to save time so we aren't gonna lie

[trim ferry]

it comes from the enjoyment

[trim ferry]

yea i hear yall out for sure.

[jagged vault]

cosmo if you feel like dark deepnest is too daunting you could route in enough geo for the lumafly lantern

with strategic relic pickups and a quick stop by lemm it doesn't lose all too much time

[trim ferry]

no one includes the journal under the hornet entrance?

[grizzled maple]

that one is slow because the fastest way to get it is a fireball, again losing precious dps

you really really want to keep all the soul you can for the fight

[trim ferry]

two fireballs even

[haughty fossil]

nah optimally you'd damage tank, not fireball the eater

[trim ferry]

ah

this is fun tho, learning

[grizzled maple]

fun fact theres actually a pixel you can stand on where it wont hit you during pick up

its impossible and fake though

[haughty fossil]

yeah I was about to say that

but thought it might be QoL only or something

considering I've got it one whole time

[trim ferry]

the day my friends learn fireball skips is the day I die

idk how yall get that kind of air

[grizzled maple]

pins explain

also fires guide probably explains

[jagged vault]

quick turnarounds and precise timing tldr

or precise spamming depends on the playstyle

[trim ferry]

My advantage on them is my boss fight ability

they struggle without their upgrades

muhahaha

[trim ferry]

yea I just figured out its not just one fireball

[steady lynx]

It is one if you're a God gamer

[jagged vault]

the first one uses one

the others use two

but it's possible with one if you're very cool

[trim ferry]

[jagged vault]

not even top runners do 1 every time because it's too risky

[grizzled maple]

^

[steady lynx]

I can barely manage with two so yeah

I'd not bank on it

[grizzled maple]

one is the backup when youre good enough but also fail the double

gonna reset either way. go for it

[jagged vault]

i had a phase where i would only do ones

i had days where i hit them all

[trim ferry]

Me and squitty all the way

[jagged vault]

i had days where i reset all my runs that got to greenpath

but i learned from experience that 1 isn't worth it unless you don't have soul for two

[trim ferry]

how many times yall jump for soul off those birds and yall dont reach?

[steady lynx]

I'm still so peepo so I don't even go for the last one in GP and just go right for the backup

The backup is consistent anyway

[trim ferry]

where are the pantheon records?

[steady lynx]

induvidual levels on src

[jagged vault]

under individual level run

s

*runs

[trim ferry]

omg i cant type today

[steady lynx]

Tldr, either Monstah or Black Moon has most records

[trim ferry]

dang I would be 41st place if I submitted a run last night for pantheon of master

6min flat

[steady lynx]

Idk how I'd compare to PC pantheon times because switch being peepo

[trim ferry]

peepo..

[haughty fossil]

sorry

[mighty trellis]

guess what

i am doing onigiri skin challenge then discovered game bar only records 10 minutes

[haughty fossil]

[mighty trellis]

[steady lynx]

[mighty trellis]

widebluehappy1 widebluehappy2 widebluehappy3

[steady lynx]

I wonder if Ax and Blue speak Swedish to eachother when no one else is around

[mighty trellis]

no eyes is very

very bad

especially at 1hp

[steady lynx]

[analog monolith]

for nail 1 any% nmg

is it fastest to get the fungal wastes journal after claw?

or is it faster to get the greenpath journal next to stag

[mighty trellis]

don't you mean nail 0?

as far as I know first nail is nail 0

[analog monolith]

nail 1

[mighty trellis]

sharpened nail then?

[analog monolith]

in nail 0 you don't get either

ye

[mighty trellis]

is that a category?

or you want it to be easier?

[analog monolith]

no i just suck ass at wk lmfao

[mighty trellis]

get desolate dive

sanctum is annoying but it helps a ton

[analog monolith]

is ddive faster than journal + nailsmith?

bc i'm p confident with nail 1 wk

[mighty trellis]

I think not

but ddive makes wk faster

uumuu faster

and other things faster

[analog monolith]

hmm

[mighty trellis]

I mean you could even not get lantern, but dark rooms casually aren't good to do

[analog monolith]

oh nah fuck dark deepnest

[mighty trellis]

so yeah

[analog monolith]

even light deepnest creeps me out

[mighty trellis]

i'd say ddive

you could even get ddark with that

88 damage helps on 1/2 cycle uumuu

[analog monolith]

yeah ddark would be helpful

[mighty trellis]

btw do you use shade skip

[analog monolith]

ye

shade skip is easy enough

wk and beast's den are the only places in the run i really struggle

those and petra arena is bad too

[trim ferry]

wk?

[analog monolith]

watcher knights

[digital jewel]

@analog monolith fungal journal

[trim ferry]

what time are you going for?

[jagged vault]

Ddive is incredibly slow

If you want a nail upgrade, get the fungal one

[trim ferry]

yea they really been making their point to me tonight that ddive is slow

[jagged vault]

Or possibly do moss knights instead of VK and also the epogo room rocks

[trim ferry]

fungal journal or greenpath journal?

[jagged vault]

That should be about as much, right?

And you don’t need two lemm trips

[analog monolith]

you only do one lemm trip anyways

[digital jewel]

cosmo I literally just answered that

[trim ferry]

wondering if fungal journal is faster than greenpath journal

sorry i didnt read the whole last convo

[median gull]

its like 10 messages above this one

[jagged vault]

Prob take xero’s advice tho

[trim ferry]

but i dont see the question im asking

[analog monolith]

just do fungal journal then aight

[jagged vault]

He knows this kinda stuff better than me

[analog monolith]

i was just wondering if greenpath was faster bc of like room loads and stuff

[twin swallow]

You don't have dash for the gpath journal, it's slow

[jagged vault]

You lose out on hornet dps for gp journal

[analog monolith]

that's true

[trim ferry]

it depends on time goal

[jagged vault]

Cosmo we’re talking about what’s objectively optimal

[trim ferry]

im crazy i really dont see where it was asked between the two journals

[jagged vault]

Does it matter? You got your question answered

[trim ferry]

before me

[trim ferry]

oh ok ty

[analog monolith]

thanks for the help, i may try and time both wjs later to see which is faster

[floral ferry]

I'm new, so take it with a grain of salt, but I found learning any% with nail1 was super helpful

And now that I'm used to it, I'm weaning myself off of the upgrade

[fluid pawn]

how much timeloss is a nail upgrade?

I also remembering hearing stuff about it affecting bosses, but I don't remember if that's relevant in any%

[normal aspen]

About 40s iirc

[analog monolith]

prob closer to 2-4mins

[digital jewel]

nail upgrade does increase some bosses hp, but not the ones that are fought in any%

[analog monolith]

that's a long ass trip

[digital jewel]

so it only makes them faster/easier

[normal aspen]

Its a long trip but you save time on bosses

[floral ferry]

Yeah, but if you're new, you'll probably make up for it on the bosses

At least that was my experience

[analog monolith]

oh yeah true

[normal aspen]

If you're really new you will prob save 1-2 cycles on uumuu

[digital jewel]

if getting nail upgrade prevents you from dying to a boss even once, it's definitely saving you time

[fluid pawn]

sounds like the kind of thing where if you wanna get like a very solid time, you bite the bullet and learn nail1 from the beginning

[normal aspen]

And wk become much easier

I did a nail upgrade til I got sub hour but everyone learns different

[digital jewel]

yeah some people prefer to just go in with the harder strats at the start. if you accept that your first runs are going to be tougher, it can be a faster way to improve

[fluid pawn]

definitely the balance of fun vs. long term value that's hard to figure out exactly

[floral ferry]

Yeah, relearning the bosses now without the upgrade is a little rough

But I liked having solid-ish times to learn the general route

[normal aspen]

Early on just being able to consistently get past wk was worth the nail upgrade

And the strats vs them are basically the same but every thing dies faster so it doesn't teach too much in the way of bad habits

[fluid pawn]

so the main jump in difficulty is just how good you are at boss fights then?

[jagged vault]

Just remember that there is no set in stone correct way to learn, you can choose how difficult/optimised you want your route to be when you’re starting out. In the end it’s all about having fun

[floral ferry]

Yeah, my difficulty with relearning the bosses now probably has more to do with trying the faster strats than the small drop in dps lol

[fluid pawn]

i wonder how melee players turned HK speedrunners have felt about the boss fights

[twin swallow]

If you're not a fan of boss fights and you care more about movement, all skills may be a better category to try than any%

[haughty fossil]

depends on what you're already good at. if you're just better at bosses, then youll probably need to spend less time practicing that than general movement. that being said, you will still need to learn new strats for dealing with bosses, and that takes time

all skills hardest boss is hornet 2 w/ shaman ddark shade soul, any% has wk, uumuu and thk all with shaman fireball

not forgetting the hardest boss of all, The First Vengefly in King's Pass

[normal aspen]

I came from melee and tbh beyond general mechanical skill it's not super transferable

Personally I prefer movement to boss fights though

[mild moon]

Is fungal journal faster? I thought it was ~17s while GP is ~13s. It's been a while since I timed it though.

[fluid pawn]

I meant more about reading animations and reacting really quickly

I could be totally wrong though, I admittedly am not an HK speedrunner myself, just a viewer

do bosses feel projected enough for that to not really be a problem?

[haughty fossil]

issue with gp journal is you also lose time in hornet due to less soul (optimally)

[digital jewel]

I'm pretty sure fungal is 13s as well

[normal aspen]

Every thing is pretty telegraphed tbh

Also if u get the God pixel on the gp journal it seems better then?

[deft flame]

quick question: in current patch, on king's pass sometimes i accidentally somehow skip the unactionable frames of when you land on the ground at the part where the ground breaks below you and you fall

what exactly is that?

is that a frame perfect thing?

[limpid ruin]

That's just rng softfall

If you check any top run you'll see a setup for that, where they minimum height hop right in the moment the floor breaks

[digital jewel]

are you running on a modded game?

oh nvm I didn't read that fully

[deft flame]

oh interesting

[neon island]

Yeah, rng softfall is actually faster though

nobody goes for it though because it is just more rng in an already rng packed game

[limpid ruin]

(but also rng )

[charred sigil]

1 day WR will be so optimized that people won't start runs unless RNG softfall

[fluid pawn]

time to reset for softfall B)

[deft flame]

lmao

so is that minimum height jump setup hard to hit?

[charred sigil]

I would say no, with practice

literally just tap the jump button with appropriate timing

as long as you don't hold down the button you get minimum height

[deft flame]

im terrible at short hops in melee so i recon i'll miss it a lot lol

but thanks i'll try practicing it

[fluid pawn]

is jump height different for every frame you hold it? or is min jump anywhere from like 1-4f jump press

[charred sigil]

I personally view speedrunning as the polar opposite of multiplayer gaming, at least in instances like this

[neon island]

idk if it is 1-4f, but it is a lenient window

[deft flame]

fair point, should be easier since youre already expecting when to jump

[charred sigil]

in multiplayer game you have the pressure of having to react to someone else

yeah exactly

in this situation

it's literally same place, same time, every time

with nothing else going on as well

in other parts of the run where you need to react to enemy RNG it's more voletile but yeah

[fluid pawn]

that's why my question about how melee players (or anyone who's played a frame-intense similar game) view HK boss fights came up

[charred sigil]

ah

[deft flame]

i feel like there are some similarities but overall quite different

[fluid pawn]

specifically the sorta call and response that is seeing an opponent do something and reacting accordingly

melee demands ridiculous reaction time and being super in tune with what your options are, and I think that that mindset/skillset would translate decently to learning bossfights here

[normal aspen]

If anything melee and other fighting games just teach you how to learn, similar to having past experience speedrunning other games.

[nocturne field]

So i goofed up, dont set your keybind for load save as left click on debug mod because you cant change it back lol

[deft flame]

yeah the reaction thing is definitely similar

although in melee and other fighting games the neutral game thing makes it kinda different too, idk

[rich karma]

hello i like melee

goodbye

[fluid pawn]

goodbye

[haughty fossil]

@nocturne field you can delete the config file in your saves folder

[wraith sigil]

hey, can i get some help?

I just went through the vid on how to downpatch steam with depotdownloader. im pretty sure i did everything right but at the end i executed the right file and got the current patch instead
<@&284848710960021504>

[thorn jasper]

no need to ping the src mods, many of us are qualified to help

cant you make sure you have a steam_appid.txt (or however it's named) with the right number? if you think you have that, can you send a screenshot of the folder with the executable

[wraith sigil]

how do i know if i have the right number?

ive got 367520

@thorn jasper also thank you so much for helping

[thorn jasper]

that all looks correct, including the number

[fluid pawn]

@wraith sigil for future reference you should probably avoid pinging mods unless it's a serious issue. minor things like asking for help with your game and pinging mods for it is kinda rude and pointless

[thorn jasper]

@wraith sigil as another sanity check, can you open steam_appid.txt and screenshot the contents

[wraith sigil]

yeah sorry my bad

i looked in rules and didn't see anything so i wasnt sure

[harsh mason]

pinging people is rude and pointless says man who pinged someone pointlessly

[thorn jasper]

also looks good

[wraith sigil]

hmm

could the folder be in the wrong place?

[neon island]

You could try moving it out of the same location where your hollow knight saves are

[wraith sigil]

yeah, i might do tha

[neon island]

I doubt that is the problem but it might be worth a shot

[thorn jasper]

I copied my 1.2.2.1 over to that same directory and got a steam error popup

[wraith sigil]

oh that might be it then

[thorn jasper]

...and then it launched current patch

[wraith sigil]

yeah, i moved it and im still getting the error

ok, that must have been the issue

[neon island]

Where did you move it?

[wraith sigil]

desktop

i think i new the problem

[thorn jasper]

I guess new troubleshooting tip: don't put the hk installs under AppData/

[wraith sigil]

*know

lol, happy to help ig

but i think what happened is the first time the error popped up i clicked "repair"

so something rerouted or smth like that and now i can only get the current patch

[neon island]

Was it a steam error?

[thorn jasper]

ooh I think I hit ignore on that

[wraith sigil]

yes

[neon island]

Oh, I think that repairs it to current patch

[wraith sigil]

yeah

that makes sense

so how do i fix that without deleting it all and restarting?

[neon island]

I think you have to restart

[wraith sigil]

damn

[thorn jasper]

Steam Error: The Steam registry path is currently not writable

[wraith sigil]

ye, tahts what i got

[thorn jasper]

also @wraith sigil if you had seen this error popup before asking the question initially, it would have been useful information up front

[wraith sigil]

yeah that woulda been smart lol

my bad

srry

okay,, so what do i delete to restart?

[neon island]

Everything inside the folder

[wraith sigil]

which folder?

[thorn jasper]

maybe everything under Team Cherry, but BACKUP YOUR SAVES first

I'm just guessing at what Sedic meant

[wraith sigil]

everything under team cherry?

thats like everything lol

[neon island]

Oh no, sorry, I meant everything that you just downloaded to downpatch

[wraith sigil]

so everything in depots?

[neon island]

No, everything in "Any% NMG patch (1.2.2.1)"

[limpid ruin]

(avoid ever installing things into windows folders like appdata, c:/program files (x86), etc etc etc. It almost always breaks stuff)

[wraith sigil]

i tried that already

[nocturne field]

Is the downpatch in its own seperate folder?

[wraith sigil]

thank you

[nocturne field]

Didnt mean to reply

[wraith sigil]

yes

i deleted the entire depot in depotdownloader

[nocturne field]

Like, you copied the files out of depots into a totally new folder?

[wraith sigil]

yes

[nocturne field]

thats not in any sub directories?

[wraith sigil]

no, i put it into the wrong subdirectory

thats what went wrong

[nocturne field]

Yeah thats the issue

[wraith sigil]

now im tryin to figure out what to delete to restart

[neon island]

That's good, now you can re-initiate the downpatch download into the same folder

[nocturne field]

Just re-download the downpatch

[wraith sigil]

yeah i think that's what im doing lol

[nocturne field]

Yep

This is how mine is set up

Just keep it out of any appdata related directories and it should be fine.

[trim ferry]

@wraith sigil do you have a PB?

any%

[wraith sigil]

ye

[trim ferry]

i mean what is it

[wraith sigil]

1h 37m i think

[trim ferry]

no I thought we raced and you did 1 20ish

more i mean

[wraith sigil]

oh its 1h 26

just found it

[trim ferry]

we did game time right

[wraith sigil]

ye

i have 1h 26 on livesplits

[trim ferry]

ah ok

I got my route up to 1 23 since

Not bragging just trying to see where we were

[wraith sigil]

nj

right now im trying to out how to downpatch

but do you wanna race again sometime?

[trim ferry]

i can shade skip now but I kinda dont want to xD

[trim ferry]

ehhhhhhhhhhhh

i would have to downpatch with you which is fine when we race again

[nocturne field]

Downpatching is pretty EZ if you dont fudge it up on accident.

[wraith sigil]

well...

sucks for me lo;

lol

[wraith sigil]

nice

[trim ferry]

Im not worried about it being hard, I just have a current patch preference

but for the sake of racing I would

[wraith sigil]

technically you wouldn't, we could still race on different patches

[trim ferry]

honor code

[wraith sigil]

it would def give me an advantage if i learned to use it though

[trim ferry]

thinking...
Inventory drop, explosion pogo, lever hitting under floor....

baldur?

[turbid light]

I got a 6 hour speedrun time on hk is that good it was my 3rd attempt of speed running the game and it’s my best time

Ok it seems nobody is on

[trim ferry]

Keep at it, keep practicing. 3rd attempt thats good

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-gif-19192557

[turbid light]

Ok

[harsh mason]

nice gif

[trim ferry]

s p e e d

[turbid light]

I love quarrel except when he takes like 10 mins to actually slash at uumuu which ruins my time I hate that fight

Quirrel*

[turbid light]

Taking you mask off% run

[limpid ruin]

Please don't.

[harsh mason]

i think you both misclicked and meant to go to #hk-meme

its the channel above this one

[wraith sigil]

ughhhh

i deleted and reextracted depotdownloader

and it STILL didn't work

is it possible for some1 to get in a VC with me and take me through it? im sorry i rlly dont know what to do

i got a different steam error

[twin swallow]

disable steam cloud sync?

[uneven scarab]

That's just a warning

Click play game and it'll work

[wraith sigil]

it did not

[uneven scarab]

oh

nmd then

[nocturne field]

Can you inventory drop in 1.2.2.1?

[neon island]

Yep

[nocturne field]

I just did it actually haha.

thanks though

[grizzled maple]

k i did it
https://youtu.be/s-ZYv1bCqZ0

my mic is awful and idk why but i did it

[deft flame]

mic sounds good

[grizzled maple]

I have a very high quality mic lol it sounds terrible

You can see the rest of my videos or even my stream

I dont run either of these categories so I just didn't want to bother rerecording. Its good enough for next time people come in asking about it

[deft flame]

oh but i mean, its a tutorial right so as long as people can understand what youre saying it should be fine i think?

when you're going for the vengefly king quick kill, should you input your first nail attack at the apex of the jump or as you're still going up?

[neon island]

Apex

You want it to come out as high as possible

Just makes it easier

[deft flame]

i see

i was hitting it pretty consistently but today i missed every single one, not sure why, guess i gotta practice more lol

[nocturne field]

So I spent the larger portion of the day today setting up livesplits and downpatching, but i just watched some tutorials and after getting ok at Kings Pass i can already say speedrunniung is way more fun than i thought it would be.

[neon island]

It might also be worth noting that sometimes your last fireball will just ghost through him because you were too close to him

[nocturne field]

at least so far lol

[deft flame]

oh didnt know that

still, i'm actually missing the first fireball

i think im just being too slow to hit the quick cast button

[deft flame]

right? i just started recently too and i gotta agree

[nocturne field]

Like I kinda always expected speedrunning to not be very fun but its super satisfying seeing something go way faster than normal, like i was suprised by how much time I save by inventory dropping or getting into the well without hitting the ground

[deft flame]

i also really like how helpful and welcoming the community is 🙂

[nocturne field]

Same, everyones super helpful here and from what I can tell it seems like a good game to learn for beginner runners.

[deft flame]

i also just practiced watcher knights for the first time today and people weren't kidding when they said its the hardest part, jesus

[nocturne field]

Man on my first normal playthrough I almost stopped playing because of the knights

they suck

[deft flame]

they really do

tomorrow is gonna be one big watcher knights training session again

[nocturne field]

Have fun 😅

So do I need to livestream to submit runs to SR.com? Internets probably not good enough to live stream lol

[normal aspen]

No

[dry sluice]

you need a recording but don't need to stream

[normal aspen]

It needs to just be a recording with sound

[nocturne field]

Alright cool

[oblique oxide]

hello so I am currently trying to do the fireball skip to get into mantis village from the west side without dash. It is possible right?

this spot

just checking if I can fireball up there

on cp

[zenith sorrel]

you can with 3 fireballs

[oblique oxide]

alright thanks. Start fireballing at the highest point of the jump?

[harsh mason]

you probably want to spread them out slightly

[oblique oxide]

okay yeah thanks 🙂

[normal aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/582776564958363661/784563651973218334/low_meme.mp4

Here is it being done. U need to spread the casts out so u keep resetting ur vertical velocity

[uneven stratus]

anyone have tips for low%? trying to get into mantis village right now for claw

[river nymph]

what is the name of the tool i can use to save my position then reset back to that point for individual room practice

[carmine yew]

debug mod

it's in #resources

[river nymph]

ty

[charred sigil]

you're doing low% speedruns?

[uneven stratus]

yep

[charred sigil]

your first category?

[uneven stratus]

yep

[charred sigil]

that's rough

[uneven stratus]

im well aware

no current runs recorded for low% on ps4/xbone, so if i can finish the run its WR

[charred sigil]

not used to seeing low% questions here, usually people who try the run are able to ask in #low-percent because they have the role

I'll put your question there to see if anyone can help

[uneven stratus]

i think i might have figured it out on my own

[charred sigil]

oh?

[uneven stratus]

thinking shade skip into main entrance into mantis village, and then fireball skips to claw

cuz dashless explosion pogo is basically gone

[ionic sparrow]

you can shade skip instead of the exp pogo

idk what the time would be compared to fully going around but

its an option

[uneven stratus]

eh, time doesnt really matter right now when its the only run that would be listed

[ionic sparrow]

yeah you can die in the exp pogo room and get up there with shade iirc

actually can you with no dash

maybe ignore me

[uneven stratus]

thats what i was wondering

[ionic sparrow]

brain is truly working at optimal levels today

[uneven stratus]

does shade tank enough hits to get me up high enough

[ionic sparrow]

prob some funny paries you can do

and vs stalls

[uneven stratus]

true

[ionic sparrow]

id be surprised if you couldnt

but it might be really shitty to do so idk

pick your poison

[uneven stratus]

yea

[ionic sparrow]

not used to thinking about low% on cp lol

[uneven stratus]

im done trying for tonight right now, gonna do testing in the morning

i think ive got a route planned out

[upper marsh]

Anyone know how much time roughly queens garden acid skip saves in any% nmg

[small magnet]

I heard it's about 40-50 seconds? I could be wrong, though.

[median gull]

40ish seconds with optimal play

but qg is "really hard"

afaik

[small magnet]

If you die or take too much damage attempting it to the point that you have to heal, then it's probably going to be slower

[upper marsh]

I’ve been taking the slow way through deepnest, thanks for the info

[uneven stratus]

@ionic sparrow @charred sigil this is my thought right now

apologies for the rough sketch

[short spire]

just to confirm that shade skip is def possible even without dash

[small magnet]

Also, it's not much, but it's my first run and I'm super proud of it! Couldn't have done it without everyone's help. Time to work on improving now ❤️

[ionic sparrow]

is it funny or not that bad

[uneven stratus]

i imagine your referring to the top entrance into mantis?

[short spire]

ive never done it myself so not sure but i know people talk about it all the time for cp low%

[ionic sparrow]

yeah id def recommend messing with that then

[charred sigil]

hey congrats

[ionic sparrow]

and benching at leg eater to cut down on backtracking

cuz that's a really far walk if you bench at village but you do you

im now shifting the blame to ax so if you have trouble with the shade skips its his problem now

🙂

[uneven stratus]

its definitely worth testing

[short spire]

yeah you have to shade skip at the top entrance

i dont know how hard it is but i know its a thing

[uneven stratus]

and getting shade over there isnt hard

considering sporg

my only worry is dying in the wrong spot without a bench in fungal

[ionic sparrow]

bench at leg eater

wait you dont go in normally so you need a vs skip to get there

cuz no dash

still its better this way

[median gull]

leg eater vs skip is probably the easiest fireball skip in this game

[small magnet]

Thanks! I was just excited to finish a run lol

[uneven stratus]

yea, i fireball skip through queen's station to get into fungal

[ionic sparrow]

yeah ur fine then

much easier than the queens station skip lol

[median gull]

yea

[uneven stratus]

right now im doing fireball skip through station

gotten pretty consistent at it

2nd or 3rd try usually

[charred sigil]

finishing runs is good, half of speedrunning is the mental game, and finishing runs demonstrates that you're better than most who try

[small magnet]

The whole time I was nervous that I'd forget the route halfway through lol. And I may have taken a wrong turn once or twice, but I got back on track pretty quick

[normal aspen]

For CP low% you wanna do fireball skip to let eater bench then shade skip epogo. The clip I sent is way harder and is only really worth for actually optimised runs

Afaik nobody has even done runs with it yet

[formal bough]

also don't even try to do the shade skip at mantis village because your shade spawns in the town, that map bugsy posted wouldn't work with a shade skip there.

[normal aspen]

Yeah thay too, like you have to do epogo shade skip or the cursed fb skip

[uneven stratus]

yikes

nvm then

like i said, it was a rough sketch right there and then with no actual testing

[river nymph]

i followed the guide and now my game wont get passed the 'hollow knight' screen

[ember rain]

1221

not sure if this is a known glitch, since I only run any% nmg

[raven holly]

Yeah that's known

just don't try to press a button that inspects when you fall in the spikes

If it happens in a run accidentally and you exit out of the menu right away, then mods will probably be merciful and accept the run

Just make a note of it when you submit

[knotty vigil]

dam thats a good time my best is 60 hours

[ember rain]

just got a run of 1 hour and 3 minutes (probably. IGT was 1:06, and my in-game clock tends to run slow) that could have been sub hour after not running for a week-ish. Not bad c:

[last inlet]

does anyone have advice on the watcher knights fight in any%? i cant get debug mod spawnpoint to work so practising it is really awkward and that's the bit i cant do

as in if i try and use the respawn button it just crashes

and respawning after death takes me to bench

[short spire]

did you actually set a savestate before trying to load one

[last inlet]

yes

i'm not smart but i'm not that bad at using mods

[short spire]

not sure why its crashing then

are you on cp

i know the current patch savestates are a bit more buggy than 1221

[last inlet]

yeah cp

it might be that, i'll try using it on 1221

[analog monolith]

ae

died like 3 times in peak

(cp any% nmg)

also literally my third time beating thk after doing it on stream 3 hours before, once for normal and once for true ending

[dull birch]

Nice!

[grand elm]

hello there
so yesterday i was setting up livesplit/autosplitter for hollow knight any% on current patch following the guide in the pins, and i ran into a problem
the timer pauses during loads and screen transitions just fine, and auto splits when it's supposed to, but it doesn't stop when the game is paused and when i quitout
i'm on PC, using the built in autosplitter, and i am comparing against game time
i've tried closing and reopening everything there was to close and reopen, to no avail
does anyone know what i'm doing wrong ?

[digital jewel]

You're doing nothing wrong

The timer doesn't pause there

[grand elm]

even in the game title screen ?

[limpid ruin]

it only pauses in the loads between scenes, and the menu counts as a scene

so it pauses when you quitout, bc its loading the menu + you dont have control of it, and thats variable load time for different computers. Pressing the buttons otoh, is not variable

[grand elm]

oh, i see
thanks you two !

[thorn jasper]

oof ouch ow

[lunar onyx]

Look how fancy my timer is!
Now note that I never even managed to finish a run

I decided to quit that run when I was at the 3 hour mark, just fighting Watcher Knights over and over

[last inlet]

i feel called out by this message

[elder gale]

any tips to spiders... oh everyone hates them... thats fine i guess

[white cypress]

Howdy yall!

I just started learning Any% (No Major Glitches), and I'm curious if y'all have any tips for bosses? I'm doing okay learning most of the stats even if some of them are inconsistent rn.

However I can't even begin to execute some of the fast stagger strats for bosses. Specifically, Hornet, False Knight, and THK. I'm just not getting how to consecutively hit them through their patterns. Jumping for False Knight and Hornet always trips me up, I can't seem to ever hit them at their jump- I jump too early and predict incorrectly, or react too late and can't actually hit them.

I'm not trying for anything big 🙂 I just love hollow knight, and would love to just grind the crap out of this for the fun of it!

[elder gale]

Have you watched fireborns tutorial

[white cypress]

yup! that's where I'm learning the core concepts from, I'm just not understanding the timing

[elder gale]

i mean you learn it with just practice. My tip for atleast hornet and false knight is you start doing runs and get practice of them as same time becouse they are not gonna kill your run. Yoll get better with just time

[white cypress]

yeah that's what i was thinking, i was mostly worried with THK- i thought spending some time learning hornet and false knight well would make learning THK easier, since its similar concepts in a more difficult setting

right now im just practicing single segments, focusing on practicing one or two segments a day- doing a 5 or 6 full runs of a split and then an hour or two of specific rooms

[elder gale]

Have you practiced beast den yet::)))) pretty fun place(currently practicing, im also beginner)

[jagged vault]

a lot comes with practice yeah

i do recommend watching a lot of runs, to see how other people do the things you're struggling with

but don't worry, it is really tough at the start, but you'll get it soon!

[elder gale]

Yeah thats true. ive learned so many liittle tricks from streams

[mighty trellis]

true ending sub hour

[leaden python]

you can do true ending sub 15 minutes

here's WR: https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/zpl67qnm

[limpid ruin]

I can do TE in less than a minute igt. RTA closer to 2 hrs blank

[white cypress]

I have not 🙂 I've done up to watcher knights (haven't fought them yet), but only run fireball to mothcloak as a full run so far

i am scared of the herah beast dudes tho

they gave me so much trouble even when i was just regularly playing- both them and primal aspids scare me more than radiance

[pallid cradle]

Anyone know why my depot downloader thing is stuck at 99.81% and keeps saying got session id?

[cinder bison]

Why doesn’t the timer stop during the first cutscene after you kill a dreamer

Where there’s like the black oval thing on the white background

[neon island]

You can skip that cutscene

on 1221 anyway

[raven holly]

The timer doesn't stop during the cutscene. If you are on current patch, then you can't skip it unfortunately

[last inlet]

i'm using 1221 debug mod and i'm not going down for some reason

like i'm jumping and then not going back down

[last inlet]

also ty that did work

[hearty adder]

Are you sure you didn't accidentally toggle noclip

[last inlet]

yeah noclip's off

[stuck raptor]

you probably have bench float

[last inlet]

i enabled it and disabled again to be sure

what's that?

[stuck raptor]

a glitch

did you die and then load a savestate?

[last inlet]

probably, i'm practising wk

[stuck raptor]

you have to get off the bench before doing anything

[last inlet]

oh

can i just s+q to fix it

[stuck raptor]

should

yeah

[last inlet]

ok

[stuck raptor]

then get off the bench before loading savestate

and it should be fine

[last inlet]

yeah thanks

[deft flame]

hey i was just practicing WK for the first time yesterday and just in case you haven't seen it yet, there is a VERY helpful video tutorial pinned in the #any-percent-nmg channel

[cinder bison]

sometimes that happens to me in the hornet fight even w/o being on a bench.. not sure why i always just restart the game

[lunar onyx]

Oh thanks! I've seen fireb0rns multiple times but not Pests, so that's great

[deft flame]

oh i actually haven't seen fireb0rns, i'll take a look at it too

[elder gale]

pog

[snow dome]

Nice!

You should definitely upload that

[elder gale]

priopably yes

im just lazy

[lunar quail]

Is there some kind of image I can reference to navigate the dreamnail platforms? I don't know why, but watching other runs has yet to drill this info into my brain.
I always get too scared to dash to platforms that haven't spawned, so I just do regular jumps to platforms after they are already visible.

[elder gale]

my stratr so far has been jumping really high and dash and then fall on fartest platform i see

works very well

slower than wr strats buit good

[snow dome]

If you're learning the optimal strategy, then you want to be essentially trying to do it blindfolded.

There is no RNG at all (save some screwy code dropping inputs)

[lunar quail]

I'd honestly be happy with a few dashes to start off with. Not exactly going for WR attempts lol

I just get so frustrated when I dash out, hit the edge of a platform, then cant walljump to recover in time

[deft flame]

maybe save stating there and just repeating it a lot could help

[snow dome]

^^^

Literally what I was going to say

[deft flame]

im probably gonna do the same since i also suck there lol

[lunar quail]

I know you're probably right, but that takes like effort and stuff

I do need a ton of derust in general though. Been like a year since I had my PB and now I forgot how to do explosion pogo, acid skip, and have somehow managed to get worse at WKs than I was before lol

[median mauve]

Does anyone know if there’s a consistent setup for false dive?

[elder gale]

i dont care so much about that part. you can learrn it if you want but i just do it safe way with high jumps and less dashes stiill(myu pb 43min atm)@lunar quail

I dont know what is your pb tho

[lunar quail]

57m37s

[snow dome]

Don't focus on that room at 57m

Focus on the places you're losing the most time first

[formal bough]

Can someone please explain to me what the deal is with "fakedive". I've heard people talk about it, but I've never seen it. Is it a runner's myth or something? Sorry, but I don't feel like that's fair. All these runners are baiting new runners into thinking this "fakedive" exists, while actually, it’s just fake, intended to make new runners waste time. So wr of these veterans never get broken.

[lunar quail]

I don't remember my run all that well, but I'm pretty sure I use a route that costs me a lot of time. (Shade Soul) Watcher Knights and uumuu were bad. Crossroad acid skip was horrendous iirc

[wispy dune]

omg you can skip hornet dialogue by fire ball :0

[formal bough]

yeah, it's only good if you are at full soul

[dull lion]

@median mauve as far as I’m aware fake dive is entirely rng. I don’t personally go for it in 106 because it only saves like 13 seconds if done first try compared to just doing it after tyrant

[wispy dune]

or have any soul infact

[formal bough]

it doesn't deal damage, and so is only useflu at full soul

[ionic sparrow]

the time you save from skipping dialogue doesnt necessarily save time due to you losing damage from not having a cast of VS

if you end the fight with a cast of soul, you should have skipped dialogue with vs

imo it feels more consistent to have the extra cast of vs, so that's why I do it

dbl hits with VS are what would make the dialogue skip worth it, and those are annoying/inconsistent at the best of times

[austere terrace]

Hi there, beginner question here again :p
Wanted to start having a nice livesplit setup and have running into some issue :/
1 - I saw many runner having a "Greenpath split" for entering Greenpath after getting Vengeful in Any% NMG. What trigger do u use for auto split for that ? Only using boss or skill trigger atm.
2 . Can I find and import a nice layout with premade split and stuff ? Or do I rather do my own one :)
3. Can find how to add my "best split time" column properly :/ any help ?

Thanks again ! I'm so hype by every improvement I make thanks to all community content and guide ;)

[digital jewel]

1. Greenpath (Area)
2. Yes you can use someone else's layout file.
3. Make sure to add best split time as an active comparison in livesplit settings.

[austere terrace]

Thanks ! Any place I can find setup to try ?

[digital jewel]

this is mine for example

[austere terrace]

I'll check, thanks !

[deft flame]

is there any difference for dream nail sleep skip between 1221 and current patch?

[grizzled maple]

you mean seer skip? dashing out of the room?

if so yes

[deft flame]

yes, that

[grizzled maple]

you get control a lot later on cp.

[deft flame]

what about the thing where if you dont get up you softlock on lurien? is that a thing on cp too?

[grizzled maple]

im not sure what that is tbh

[deft flame]

i saw fireb0rn saying that in his tutorial video

just got a bit worried that i might softlock if i try the skip 😅

[limpid ruin]

The remembering to turn around so the knight does the get up animation

[grizzled maple]

ah yeah, that's nothing to worry about then.

ive run this game for 2.5 years and never even heard of the lurien thing

now the dnail softlock, thats a whole other nightmare

[deft flame]

oh okay so its pretty hard to actually softlock then

[limpid ruin]

I've seen it asked about in here a few times, don't remember the specifics tho

[deft flame]

oh what is that?

[grizzled maple]

when you go to the podium to talk to it going into dnail, make sure you are grounded and not mid dash

youll just perpetually be in a fall animation, cant even sq out. you have to force close the game lol

thats why you generally see people walk up to it even when theyre half a dash away

[deft flame]

ohhhh damn i had no idea about that

[mild moon]

If you go through the next transition before the save animation happens (when you fully stand up after seer skip), then reach Lurien without quitting out of the game, you get stuck in a white screen after the dreamer cutscene.

You stand up faster after turning, and so people who always turn immediately will never experience it.

[grizzled maple]

oh huh

[ionic sparrow]

as long as you see the save icon in the bottom left? right? (one of those corners) finish you're fine

[grizzled maple]

so yeah that sounds like something specific to any% then since all other categories that seer skip have sq's at some point soon after

[deft flame]

ok cool

thanks everyone!

[fringe turtle]

Hey does anyone know how to turn off mods so you can speed run cause having the modding API is banned for speedruns right?

[limpid ruin]

You can validate/verify your game files in the steam properties menu of the game at least

[fringe turtle]

Does that turn it off?

[limpid ruin]

But if its downpatched that'll repatch it up to vanilla cp

[ionic sparrow]

easiest way is to have two installs, one modded and on unmodded

[dull birch]

You can set up a separate install without the modding api easily enough

[fringe turtle]

You can do that?

[limpid ruin]

Yea, bc it detects the edited assembly-csharp.dll file and resets it

[dull birch]

If I can do it, literally anyone can lol. I'm super bad when it comes to anything to do with computers

[limpid ruin]

Check in the pins for a guide. Its at the end of the downpatch guide

[grizzled maple]

the assembly driver is the thing that controls whether its the modded game or not. i personally just have both drivers and rename the one i want active.

[fringe turtle]

Thanks guys I appreciate the help

[fringe turtle]

So you just have two of those?

[grizzled maple]

the one renamed with a Y is the real driver which tells me Yes my modding api is on. and I rename the modded one with N for No when i want it off

[fringe turtle]

So you just change it when you want it modded or un modded I’m assuming

[grizzled maple]

imo this is the easiest way since having two installs means two sets of files

[fringe turtle]

Yeah and two files takes up more space on your pc

And my pc only has 600 gigabytes so it would be nice to save on space

[limpid ruin]

Yea, that's the most space efficient way

[grizzled maple]

yeah understandable. what i would do in your situation is back up the debug mod dll, and the assembly driver you have currently, then revert to unmodded either by "verify integrity of game files" if you're on cp, or I can send you the assembly for 1221

then you can just keep all of those in the managed folder and edit the names as needed

the debug one has to go in a folder called "Mods" in managed

[fringe turtle]

Ah ok thanks for the help

Also I’m a pretty big fan of yours emray so is kinda cool to get help from one of my favourite hk speedruners

[grizzled maple]

happy to help

[fringe turtle]

I appreciate it!

[olive kernel]

hey everyone

i'm training the route throuth infected crossroads with debug mode but i only have forgotten crossroads. I don't find the option anywhere to get it right away. Do i have to go kill a dreamer ?

[thorn jasper]

I think so. Another option would be to download some save files from src and load one that's around the place in the run

or at least one with infection

[olive kernel]

thanks, i just killed Lurien. I've never been so good with watcher knights

[dull birch]

I don't think it's possible to "be good" with the watcher knights lol

Theyre just a pain no matter what

[steady lynx]

Yes it is, just run 106 and there'll barely be a fight

[drowsy tangle]

wait does the runs need the credits to roll or can that be cut out?

[steady lynx]

Depends on category

[thorn jasper]

only 1xx% needs it for checking percent. any%, all skills, etc do not

[drowsy tangle]

all skills nmg

ah ok good! ty

[thorn jasper]

should be fine to stop recording after time ends. standard route will have 35% at the end if you want to check it for yourself

(or 36% if you kill false knight)

[dull birch]

[drowsy tangle]

ye 35%, btw in current run i somehow had 40 less geo when getting kings station, that was like 30s timeloss lol

[dull birch]

Ouch lol.

[haughty fossil]

yeah if you're low on geo coming to king's you should fireball/dive some of the enemies in the big room or at the base of spire to farm geo up

[thorn jasper]

The route is designed to farm geo between sanctum and king's station, from those^ places

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TuIdd9Dfq8&list=PLe3Nyw-0gXJpBqG9qLRx195qLFI3FD3_N&index=7

[haughty fossil]

notable; dive through the glass ceiling at the bottom of spire to kill the enemies at the bottom, if still low fireball on the last section of the bottom, killing the small dudes, and don't get rekt by the great husk

[thorn jasper]

I'm linking this before watching it, I just assume it's good

[drowsy tangle]

yeah i didn't think about it so i came there and saw 276 only gold xD

i had another problem (happened at "true" PB as well)

hazard respawn glitch at DDark doesn't work

i get respawned at the start of room

is it like forbidden to take dmg in that room bcs it messes up the hazard respawn point?

[thorn jasper]

I don't think so. Do you have a clip of this?

[digital jewel]

there's no way you should skip the hazard respawn above the pickup

[drowsy tangle]

am i too far to left when dash-slashing maybe

[thorn jasper]

that slide was really slow for some reason, does that have something to do with it?

[drowsy tangle]

yeah prob

[thorn jasper]

I'm wondering if the hazard respawn got reset down there because of the vertical drop

[digital jewel]

yeah that makes sense slaurent

[drowsy tangle]

i get too low at the drop down and it puts the respawn point there

[thorn jasper]

I've seen different slide speeds. What causes that?

[drowsy tangle]

i've used that crystal as visual cue for when to side-slash

i guess i have to be to the right of it, idk

it has definately worked in the past

ok i tried and went a bit more to right and it worked. Slide still seemed to be as slow though

ok now it was way faster somehow, and worked even though i took dmg

prob just knight's position then

hmm now i was to the left of it, got high speed and worked. I really have absolutely no clue then what is it that determines speed, and if it works or not

yeah was in exactly the same position as in clip, and worked so IDK

TL:DR thought it was knight's position, but then i thought not. tried taking dmg and not taking dmg, still works. can't manage to get it not work now lol

[lucid stirrup]

also curious

[frigid rapids]

what determines the speed is the frame of the dash slash animation at which you hit the crystal

[lucid stirrup]

wait what?

[drowsy tangle]

okay

how can it be avoided?

[lucid stirrup]

doesn't it always hit the crystal on the first frame that the dash slash has a hitbox?

[drowsy tangle]

would you guys be interested in seeing the second clip were it failed?

[winged glacier]

hey im about to start practicing to run HK anyone have any advice for what to practice the most starting off

[formal bough]

check the pins aind watch fireb0rns video guide

[winged glacier]

is that a guide of the route I already patched and everything

[limpid ruin]

yea

route walkthrough and explanation of tons of things

so dont worry if like 90% flies over your head on first and second watch

we've all been there, just gotta get started, and he shows the ropes very well

[frigid rapids]

maybe frame of the dash, then

i remember someone having consistently low speeds because they were starting their dash too much on the right

[winged glacier]

thank you

[drowsy tangle]

lol, i actually love cerpin because she's really so nice to ppl "not knowing" something or being new to the community. She's not being a dick about it. (ofc there are countless ppl like this, but cerpin is the one i've talked the most with) Ty cerpin :D

[drowsy tangle]

interesting, although that doesn't seem to be my case, anyway i've gotten it to work consistently

[solemn harbor]

[warm violet]

?rank randomizer racer

[sick raven]

@warm violet, you joined Randomizer Racer.

[winged glacier]

with the spike kill in the aspid room how do I get the spike not to break after the first one

[turbid light]

On my 20th attempt at speedrunning hollow knight I got a time of 5:23:16.61 it that good it’s my personal best so far

I wanna know if my time is good or not

[carmine yew]

Times are relative, if it’s something you are proud of then it is a good time

[turbid light]

K

[carmine yew]

The spike does not break after hitting an aspid so if you are only killing one then you are probably hitting the spike too late and not getting the correct angle

[turbid light]

I’m proud of it cus it’s my personal best

[carmine yew]

Then it’s a great time!

[turbid light]

Ok

[winged glacier]

thank you so i guess im hitting the platform with it at the same time as the aspid

[turbid light]

I’m very new to speed running and have seen a lot of speed run vids and it’s a lot harder than I thought

I know a lot of skips tho

[carmine yew]

It’s a pretty tight trick and it doesn’t save that much so don’t worry if you aren’t getting it

[winged glacier]

not too concerned about it it looks cool so i wanna learn it lol

[turbid light]

I never bothered to do that trick it’s too hard for me

[winged glacier]

i feel like im really close i wont spend to much time on its cause i wanna practice the route first

[cold geyser]

so i accidentally loaded my main file (which was in godhome at the time) while in version 1.2.2.1. as expected, the game locked up and nothing loaded. my question is, when reloading the file in 1.4.3.2 everything loaded just fine and nothing is corrupted. i have a backup but its a bit old - are there any reasons not to keep my main file at this point?

like, is there anything behind the scenes that couldve screwed up the file that i should be weary of

[zenith sorrel]

did you return to menu or alt f4 out?

I think it only dies if you try to save it again by returning to menu or something

[cold geyser]

i think i alt-f4'd

[zenith sorrel]

yeah that works

[cold geyser]

convenient, thank you

[trim ferry]

gained 10 min on my pb

(shhh i know its not live split)

[dull birch]

10 minutes??? Damn that's a huge jump

congrats!

[trim ferry]

my struggle that run was died twice to um mu and struggle fog canyon skip (also could have beat Thk a lil faster imo)

[dull birch]

Ugh finally got the one cycle Uumuu

[ebon idol]

Hey how do I do crystal mound without lamp

[limpid ruin]

you need dive

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[ebon idol]

Got it

I'm already on the dark room

And I got the super dash

I just need instructions on how the hell to get there

[limpid ruin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nKcsbcB7tE&feature=youtu.be

[ebon idol]

Well I don't fucking have ultra instinct like that guy. Is there anything that doesnt need that much skill?

(I'm also on steel soul mode)

[limpid ruin]

bruh

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[limpid ruin]

get over to #hk-help and stop being an ass

[ebon idol]

Oh nvm theres more than 1

[zenith sorrel]

lol, i actually love cerpin because she's really so nice to ppl "not knowing" something or being new to the community. She's not being a dick about it. (ofc there are countless ppl like this, but cerpin is the one i've talked the most with) Ty cerpin :D

[ebon idol]

Let's go I got it with the third one

[harsh mason]

amazing play by play, really entralling

[hollow kestrel]

Since debug is not the best on cp, what is the best way to go about practicing? Also if debug is the optimal way, do we have instructions for installing it on cp? There seems to only be ones for 1.2.2.1

[harsh mason]

you just use the mod installer for cp

[hollow kestrel]

Explain it to me like im an idiot

I have no idea what that is lol

[limpid ruin]

there's a pin in #archived-modding-help to the modinstaller

[hollow kestrel]

Thank you!

[limpid ruin]

i thiiiink it was pretty self-explanatory once you got it downloaded and started, but not completely sure

[hollow kestrel]

So i downloaded, found the debug mod, and then i clicked the checkmark that said "installed?"

What now?

[harsh mason]

have you tried running the game

[hollow kestrel]

No...

Alright i did now and nothing seems to be different

[harsh mason]

do you have modding api installed

[limpid ruin]

isnt that installed automatically by the modinstaller?

[hearty adder]

I've had instances before where it didn't

So I've had to do it manually

Could be this person's problem

[harsh mason]

it tries its best

[normal aspen]

Try pressing f1 in-game. Also title screen top left should list your mods

[hollow kestrel]

It said "out of date" may have to look into that

The link I found in the pins in #archived-modding-help installed Modinstaller2, is that correct?

[limpid ruin]

yea

[hollow kestrel]

Now the API button is gone entirely

[limpid ruin]

🥴 gg hk

[hollow kestrel]

I reopened the game and it worked

Yay

Thank you for the help! Lol

[small magnet]

Hey all. I was practicing THK yesterday and this interaction seemed kind of weird. I was healing when he ground slammed me pre-explosion and took no damage. Obviously no beneficial use to it even if it were consistent (which I don't think it is, I obviously had no idea he'd be going to that ability when I started the heal) but is this a known thing? A glitch? wtf happened?
https://clips.twitch.tv/LazyHonestAirGuitarBigBrother

[analog monolith]

my friend does cp nmg any% and does:

• nail 1
• ddark
• isma's
• dung defender
• pilgrim's way
• 2 extra charm notches

what should i tell him

[zenith sorrel]

that there are faster routes but if he wants to keep doing this that's totally fine

[small magnet]

I would say it depends on his goals. If that's the route he wants to run and perfect and what he's having fun doing then... no need to tell him anything. If he's really trying to push competitive times then tell him he's not going to get them with that route.

[digital jewel]

rekinn he just didn't hit you

[small magnet]

I looked at the clip again and that's what I started thinking as well. Just seemed odd that he would just... miss like that lol

[digital jewel]

it's very close

[analog monolith]

that's fair

[small magnet]

Haha, fair enough. Thank you, xero!

[analog monolith]

thing is he does that and gets disappointed when i get close to his time in under 2 weeks of havig practiced the speedrun

and never having even completed it

[limpid ruin]

there're tutorials in the pins here that will help with concepts and explanations if he wants that

[small magnet]

If they're the kind of person that takes advice poorly then maybe there's your answer too. Can't help people that don't want help

[limpid ruin]

fireb0rn's tutorial series is very good for getting off and running

also they sound like they should really work on their mentality, yea

(which is a mood, I also need that )

[small magnet]

Mood

[hardy lava]

uh guys i need a little help with livesplit

[grizzled maple]

What about it?

[hardy lava]

I cant add new splits

[grizzled maple]

Have you tried restarting the app? Thats super weird. Never seen that

[hardy lava]

ill try

also

do i have to open the splits and layout everytime i launch livesplit?

[grizzled maple]

No you shouldn't need to

[limpid ruin]

They should open together with livesplit

[grizzled maple]

It should open the most recent automatically

[hardy lava]

hm

[limpid ruin]

And store a history of basically all your opened splits and layouts

[hardy lava]

wdym

[grizzled maple]

It saves multiple layouts and games/categories so you can easily switch between them.

If its not opening anything you saved when you open the app, thats an issue

[hardy lava]

also

how do i make it so it only shows a certain amount of splits at once without scaling down the whole thing

[limpid ruin]

That's in the layout / component options somewhere, the same place you'd go to add another timer etc

[hardy lava]

ah ok i got it

uh so everytime i load livesplit

i have to manually open the splits as a file

and same with the layout

[limpid ruin]

Which version of livesplit did you download, and where did you install it?

[hardy lava]

uh i downloaded it from livesplit.org

and

1.8.15

[limpid ruin]

I want to guess c:/program files (x86), and it being a permission issue

[hardy lava]

uh

so what do i do

[limpid ruin]

You should probably reinstall it in a different folder than that

[leaden python]

generally, never install any program in c:\program files unless you absolutely know what you're doing

it's just a good common advice for all windows users

[hardy lava]

i didnt install it in that

[leaden python]

c:\Users\your_user_name\programs might be a decent alternative

[hardy lava]

uh the thing is, i didnt install it in either of those folders

[limpid ruin]

Where did you install it?

[leaden python]

[hardy lava]

so um