its out of bounds
#speedrunning
digital jewel
this is one of the reasons why nsoob got renamed to no load dependant glitches, and then eventually got removed
uneven urchin
simple ice
<@&283547423706447872>
knotty vigil
HeLp
uneven scarab
someone help
raven holly
simple ice
Thanks 
uneven scarab
thx :3
whole meadow
im so slow 🥶
uneven scarab
well that was definitely the largest discord message I've ever seen
steady lynx
Probably hit the symbol limit
Oh yeah, I finally got the movement down for Greenpath from leaving the stag all the way to Wraiths and No Eyes so that's fun
uneven scarab
neat
steady lynx
Still gotta practice a lot of movement but hopefully I'll finish a run this weekend 
narrow crater
got to lurien!
dry sluice
nice
digital jewel
versed elbow
Omg. Don't play Hollow Knight for a day, come back, die to an aspid
Not a primal aspid
an aspid
Practice time
sand raft
I've been thinking about learning to speedrun, I don't wanna go for anything crazy but I just wanna ask, how hard is sub-60 on CP?
harsh pasture
Hey everyone! I just started getting setup to run!
I am having trouble with getting the dreamgate to work in the debug mod. I set the dreamgate, save it, then try to use it and nothing happens.
hearty adder
I've been thinking about learning to speedrun, I don't wanna go for anything cra...
i'm assuming you mean any%?
digital jewel
sub 60 on cp is very achievable
sand raft
Yea Any% NMG
snow dome
It's a pretty decent goal
hearty adder
It requires some practice but it's not super crazy or anything
it's very achievable as long as you practice enough
digital jewel
if you aim for a deathless run you can get sub 60
hasty moat
quite reasonable 
sand raft
Obviously I'll have to practice WK since they are really damn hard to fight using the standard route
snow dome
I've running it for about 3-4 months ish and got myself a 47:XX on 1221, and a 55:XX on current patch
sand raft
if you aim for a deathless run you can get sub 60
No shade skip 
digital jewel
snow dome
I think Xero means 'unintended deaths' 👀
sand raft
I'm pretty confident with all the skips apart from QGA which I feel like it might be easier to not do
snow dome
Just go through Deepnest
hasty moat
I think the difference between patches optimally is around 2 minutes and a bit, but a lot of that comes from dreamer cutscenes being unskippable in cp while the timer still runs in them, and uumuu taking an extra cycle
snow dome
You lose like 40s or whatever.
hasty moat
so it would be around the same as getting sub 1 on 1221, I think
deepnest is very fair and reasonable to do in runs
sand raft
Also if I wanted to I could try CP inventory drops
hearty adder
I'm pretty confident with all the skips apart from QGA which I feel like it migh...
if you're not confident on doing qga then rerouting for Deepnest is a good idea, especially if your goal for now is sub-60
snow dome
There's like 3 or four places where they aren't so bad, and seer skip is also a fun little challenge with like absolutely no downside to missing. (Except obviously that you lose the time you didn't save.)
sand raft
Gonna check the CP WR (also I'll probably be playing on console since my PC is a 
)
snow dome
If you are really struggling with boss fights or whatever, you could consider all skills, but if you're going for current patch that category sounds a bit crap TBH
hasty moat
if you need help with cp any%, I keep a list of resources in my server so I could link you to stuff you have questions about probably 🙂 although I don't have footage of good deepnest route, unfortunately
hasty moat
the cp wr is bad kappa
sand raft
Is Seer skip possible on CP? I've been able to get it 1 dash away but not any further
snow dome
I've seen it done, but I've always ended up just next to the door myself
hasty moat
those are my timings for it
it's kind of precise, I go early really often and just not get the dash lol
sand raft
@hasty moat Hmmm I wonder who has the CP WR
hasty moat
I should probably come back and go for 35 properly before I sink more time into fangame playthroughs
snow dome
Some absolute cutie, probably. 👀
sand raft
The skip is so funny and I really want to pull it off
hasty moat
btw, if you want to go for cp drops, I recommend learning this one
https://clips.twitch.tv/IncredulousProductiveNewtDeIlluminati
and you want to hit the one just before crystal heart room if possible
the others aren't that big of a deal, except maybe gruz room
hasty moat
yeah you can do it in the middle or on the right side
sand raft
Yea ik what you mean
I'm just gonna do the first half of the speedrun before WK as a test because past the halfway point, things start to get hard for me atleast
hasty moat
it's not a bad idea to split the run into bigger segments like early/ mid / lategame and just run through each of them like that
city is kind of rough a lot of the time, too
a lot more consistent than on older patch though
sand raft
Is it worth doing the drop in Dirtmouth?
hasty moat
in the well or right after the door?
I don't do a drop in either place, I think doing the one after the door would actually lose time
in older patch that drop is mostly done to stop hardfalling I think
for the well I just have a visual cue for prejumping the whole thing
sand raft
Also double kill easy, I literally have it 100% consistent
short spire
its free on current patch
hasty moat
yup that's a perk of cp, that one is very easy there
limpid ruin
CP running confirmed to have 100% less frustration to go bald from in that spike room
hasty moat
overall a lot of stuff is actually more consistent on cp
short spire
such as the game actually doing what you tell it to
hasty moat
except for thk
sand raft
Also I feel like I won't go for either fireball skip
hasty moat
I went to 1221 for one run the other day and almost golded, minus the like 10 parries that I counter parried like 2 of for no reason
thk is so consistent there
sand raft
The first one can easily be skipped with the Squit and the second one can be skipped by doing pogoing some of the background
hasty moat
the second one you would do the man pogo instead
(is that what it's called?)
I suck at that trick lol
vocal dove
pls explain. i saw someone do that pogo but when i tried it the object had no collision
deft flame
is there a video of that somewhere? i'd like to know too
vocal dove
or are you talking about the husk pogo lol
sand raft
How the hell do you pull it off
hasty moat
I like never get that, but the "backup" is to just go on the normal route then do a jump there to bait an enemy to fall then another to pogo him mid fall
I've heard it's consistent, but I'm not good at it
sand raft
How do you pull off the trick?
deft flame
oh i think i've seen that
hasty moat
it should be a full jump once you get in the spot then another one right after I think
but I think that's only if you go straight there
hearty adder
pls explain. i saw someone do that pogo but when i tried it the object had no co...
Same
hasty moat
maybe @haughty fossil has a better explanation, I think he was good at it
hasty moat
yeah, although that is one jump slow
you can do it on the second jump if you get there in time
thorny ginkgo
Since I dont even attempt 3rd fireball I use this all the time. When the guy is to the left, I get it 90% of the time
Got it first try if I remember
Not hard
deft flame
you can do it on the second jump if you get there in time
oh i see
sand raft
How do you pogo on the background, the object doesn't even have collision
hasty moat
which background? there's no background object pogo there
thorny ginkgo
You don't you pogo off the guy you lure off the edge
hasty moat
you don't, you just pretend you never went for it then do the pogo on the enemy there
thorny ginkgo
Oh. You use the squit down low amd lure it up
hasty moat
I don't think I've ever heard of an object pogo
vocal dove
was it this? is that a srmod thing?
sand raft
Where you just pogo off the background
sand raft
was it this? is that a srmod thing?
Yea it was that
thorny ginkgo
You don't use that
hasty moat
I don't think I've ever done or seen this
thorny ginkgo
You just jump
hasty moat
thorny ginkgo
Only time you pogo off objects is watchers spire pogo
hearty adder
I've seen it a couple times but didn't make the conenction between it and srmod lol
thorny ginkgo
On any%nmg
vocal dove
i think it was rusty doing it with a QOL mod
hasty moat
oh, I've seen like nothing of the speedrun mod, that might be why
but yeah, no such thing in vanilla cp
vocal dove
just git gud at fireball skips 
sand raft
Best part of the speedrun: not saving zote
deft flame
arent you supposed to save zote for the vengefly money?
hearty adder
worst part about any% is letting zote live 
sand raft
^
Also from my experience there is no way to kill VK fast, I've seen it but I'll never be able to pull it off
deft flame
yeah
i suck and i managed to
you hit it at max jump height then do 2 fireball quick casts, another nail hit and another fireball
sand raft
But I'm worse
hasty moat
it's very easy to mess it up
I've gotten ok at it, but I know a lot of runners around my time on 1221 or even better that still mess it up
hearty adder
i can pull it off but i get hit almost every time
deft flame
oh yeah, when i say i manage to, i definitely dont mean consistently lmao
hasty moat
just gotta find your own visual cues and get used to the rhythm, at least that's what I did
rotund jackal
digital jewel
lol
cinder bison
yee
I’ve been learning any% cp from kanra’s twitch vods since a week or so ago n got 58min a couple days ago
So sub hour is very attainable @ person from before
deft flame
so is second fireball skip like much harder than the first or is it just me?
raven holly
Is it 2nd fireball skip for 1221 or cp
deft flame
cp
raven holly
yeah that one is pretty hard until you get good at not bonking
If you can manage to not bonk, then the turn around for the fireballs is pretty lenient which is nice
Definitely hated that one the most when I started out
deft flame
If you can manage to not bonk, then the turn around for the fireballs is pretty ...
yeah, that was the impression i got
but im still bonking most of the times
raven holly
just get some practice in and you'll become the master of not bonking
haughty fossil
maybe <@!196347053100630016> has a better explanation, I think he was good at it
@deft flame can't record a clip right now but iirc you want to make sure that after you fail the fireball skip, you hold left and don't stop, otherwise the husk will walk too far right before you get there. you then do a mid-height jump to where your eyes are about in line with the corner of the platform. This gets the husk to charge at you; you then buffer a jump as you land and go a little left so you don't get hit, and pogo on your way up around the height of the base of the platform
it's also totally consistent on cp and only loses like 1-2s, so worth going for
deft flame
<@!243906805254586369> can't record a clip right now but iirc you want to make s...
thats a really good explanation, thanks!
haughty fossil
that's an mkv that won't embed because 🥴 obs settings
deft flame
that opens as a 2 second video for me
cold geyser
4th finished run!
all skills 1.2.2.1
i choked real bad on THK for no reason but besides that im happy
first try hornet 2, messed up watcher knights a bit but got through them, died on ismas once
hearty adder
All that gold 
cold geyser
yeah, a lot of those golds were by like 1-10 seconds
which means im getting better at movement
small magnet
I'm still just trying to get even remotely consistent at WK on any%. I don't mind failing once or even twice, but if I'm sat there running back to WK for an hour then it's hardly even worth pretending it's a run lol. At that point it's just WK practice
thorn jasper
WK practice is a huge part of any% learning anyway
hearty adder
Listening to some bgm while practising WKs is good
I listen to lofi hiphop because it's very chill music you don't gotta pay attention to
thorn jasper
if you want REALLY good music for wk practice, check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1SHOAmV9zQ
neon island
^
vocal dove
you ever kill vengefly king during the scream?
neon island
Softlock
vocal dove
i'm kind of mad because that was my first time getting a fireball skip in a run
twin swallow
It won't be the last /o/
small magnet
So is it normal to be 20+ hours into pure WK practice and to still feel like a glue sniffer? lol
Or am I missing something huge here
steady lynx
Nah, WK are just wack
small magnet
Excellent lol
thorn jasper
Or am I missing something huge here
have you watched the guide(s) ?
fierce fjord
do you know the skip from forgotten crossroads to fog canyon?
lyric viper
I’m a filthy casual but this glitch happened
short spire
yeah that's called wallcling storage
interesting method to get it though
is that consistent?
short spire
yeah couldnt tell you why it happens there
it can kinda happen randomly all over the place
keen cedar
howdy, if there are any AG runners on, I had a quick question about an mms tech. How do you get the three dirtmouth saves at the beginning? Grabbing the second save always resets me back to KP. I've noticed if I spam click the steel soul, I can manipulate the knight's position before I gain control, but that's about it
cinder bison
@small magnet I’m new too but it took me something like 200 tries before I could even finish the fight for the first time, prob have done it about 400 times now and can finish it almost always now but takes 2-3 minutes... its hard ur not the only one
Just practicing dodging was a big breakthrough for me, also avoiding the corners and listening for the roll
small magnet
have you watched the guide(s) ?
I have. I'm getting more consistent, but I make some dumb decisions sometimes when the knights are separated
gray epoch
any decent guides to downpatching now that steam decided to break it
twin swallow
Imagine missing dank 420 geo source
analog monolith
hey i tried to do dream nail without mantis claw once before too
steady lynx
TE shade skip 
cold geyser
speedrunning is hard
random pelican
Hey, when it comes to speedrunning. Am i allowed to use mods like the speedrunning mod that lets you inventory drop and go through text faster on the current patch of the game? Just sondering cause i was watching somone the other day saying it is fine to use it, so i just wanted to be sure as by what i can see, there isnt really anything on the speedrun.com page saying if its ok or not. Or if there is, i cant find anything
raven holly
Yeah other than the modded board all mods must be uninstalled for submitted runs including the modding api
cold geyser
https://youtu.be/cV0S0tNofcY
at like 39:58 my recording got a bit messed up, just making sure, is the run still valid to submit?
formal bough
You would have to wait for an srcom mod to actually weigh in, but it doesn't seem bad enough to invalidate but I'm not sure enough to be able to say so.
cold geyser
it’s pretty obviously not a good run and wouldn’t be worth faking but still
analog monolith
yeo
did an any% cp nmg up to thk bench (since i literally have not beat the game and want to do that first) and got 47:22
which is probably pretty good for not having beaten the game
(note: this is only up to thk bench)
analog monolith
also, would a full run with a super laggy recording (dropping under 1fps at times) be accepted if there was uncut game and mic audio the entire time
formal bough
1fps might be far too low. If it's still clear what's happening sure, but 1fps is too abysmal for verification I believe
jagged vault
are you playing on 1221?
with that performance on the recording you might want to try running on current patch instead
the game performance was greatly improved in later patches
CP can't do all the glitches that 1221 can, but has it's own separate leaderboards in Any% and All Skills to provide even competition
analog monolith
i'm running cp
mainly bc i don't have the space on my laptop to have 2 installs but
but like
i was streaming hornet sentinel in a casual run
and the stream dropped to like
1 frame per 10 seconds
because of the wind fx
frigid rapids
what quality were you encoding your stream into? (bitrate, resolution, framerate)
blazing talon
how do i set up the live split
analog monolith
what quality were you encoding your stream into? (bitrate, resolution, framerate...
720p 30fps 2500kbps
frigid rapids
you should aim for a lower resolution, then
when i was recording HK on a laptop, i would use 480p 30fps, but i can't remember the bitrate
apparently 1500 is enough
analog monolith
i don't think going under 720 would be a good idea for streaming at the very least
maybe for run recording
the thing is
my laptop cpu caps out
with only task manager and hk open
so idk what to do tbh
frigid rapids
i don't think going under 720 would be a good idea for streaming at the very lea...
tbh, people care more about fluidity than resolution
analog monolith
below 720 on a computer though starts to get hard to watch
frigid rapids
by watching some of your VODs, even in less demanding areas, your stream looks choppy (which is not your fault, obviously)
frigid rapids
yeah, the lack of fluidity isn't due to the 30fps, it's due to your encoder dropping frames
analog monolith
below 1fps in demanding areas
snow dome
You will just need a better encoder at that point. (Or like... An encoder at all.)
If you're using your CPU to encode you're going to have a rough time.
snow dome
Yeah, I tried running on a Laptop once and it was unplayable for me, never mind recording
small magnet
@blazing talon https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/cg9vl
frigid rapids
so yeah sadly, there aren't many things you can do, reducing your bitrate and your resolution is the only way, and it won't make your stream any less watchable than its current state
blazing talon
<@285941915415871489> https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/cg9vl
thank you
small magnet
Np, make sure to check out the guides and resources there. Covers most questions and troubleshooting for getting started
blazing talon
ok
knotty vigil
?rank randomizer racer
sick ravenBOT
@knotty vigil, you joined Randomizer Racer.
mossy jay
Hey, I made a WR playlist for world records uploaded to youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoBNY2OO3i-TvIkruDvcYHLYDrsD5tVgE
rotund jackal
Nice!
mossy jay
yes
limpid ruin
so yeah sadly, there aren't many things you can do, reducing your bitrate and yo...
This. If your computer is choking while streaming/recording, changing encoder settings is a must. Also smooth 240p >>>>> choppy 720p
steady lynx
Hey, I made a WR playlist for world records uploaded to youtube: https://www.you...
Will it be updated when WR's get beaten?
steady lynx
I click on it and already have half of them watched 🥴
mossy jay
oh damn, that's fast, are you gonna beat the WR in watching HK Wr's? 😂
mossy jay
oh nice, GL man
austere terrace
Hi here ! Glad to finally decided to get intp "trying" to speedrun HK ... :p Just going threw the TON of guide content on speedrun.com. Just on fireb0rn setup guide that Steam downpatch is broken and new way to do it is aweful. Do you rather recommend import my steam HK to GoG and go GoG way ? (if its even possible)
haughty fossil
that doesn't work
jagged vault
you'd have to buy the game again on GOG in that case
haughty fossil
https://github.com/fifty-six/zig.SteamManifestPatcher/releases/latest fixes steam method
austere terrace
Thanks a lot !
After installing the patch, I'm following "pre-steam-issue" instruction ?
limpid ruin
yea, i believe so
austere terrace
yea, i believe so
Thx
whole meadow
ifl56
normal aspen
amhfl56
analog monolith
This. If your computer is choking while streaming/recording, changing encoder se...
fr? i thought the choppy 720 might be more viewable
limpid ruin
240p is bordering on too pixelated, but if that lets you have consistent 30 ish fps in the recording thats way better. HK is a very simple looking game, so you dont need much detail
analog monolith
hmm
i think the lowest i'd ever go is 360
past that it becomes too blurry to make out important things
and idk if that would help
bc uhh
even just the game caps out my cpu
chrome bramble
is wall cling storage possible in cp im guessing not
digital jewel
minimum settings would be somewhere around 240p 20fps
cerpin is totally right that consistent framerate is better than choppy
neon island
is wall cling storage possible in cp im guessing not
It is but it doesn't quite work the same
burnt grove
I have. I'm getting more consistent, but I make some dumb decisions sometimes wh...
welcome to the "wks still kill me when I do dumb things" club
dull birch
The wks just really do be like that
twin swallow
honestly you don't have to do dumb things to die to wks
sometimes they just say "fuck you"
dull birch
Lol yeah. That fight can go sideways real quick
burnt grove
sometimes they just say "fuck you"
that's a mood
still, at certain points your dog brain gets trained well enough that you can spend cycles noticing what you can do about randomly dying to them
e.g. I noticed that if one is bouncing and the other is on the ground, I can almost always pogo+dash over and not get hit by the bouncer unless the one on the ground starts slashing and the pogo parries him - and in those cases I should back off
dog brain is currently working on recognizing when, and almost has it
watching videos of them killing you can also help a lot
harsh pasture
Hey hey! I am working on getting everything setup to start running. I have gotten everything working except Dream Gate doesn't work at all in the debug version. Has anyone ever had this happen?
digital jewel
you need essence to use it
sonic crane
are you in a dg locked room?
harsh pasture
Doesn't seem like it, I have tried it everywhere.
harsh mason
do you only have dg
harsh pasture
I tried with all skills and with just dream nail and dg
Let me try remaking the debug version
Maybe something happened during the setup.
chrome bramble
It is but it doesn't quite work the same
how would you perform it there are no videos on it
neon island
You would perform it the same way as on 1221 but when you get it, you do not get sped up like in 1221
but to get it, you need to dash through a door as it is opening or you can get it using elevators
chrome bramble
how do you get elavator storage
neon island
fireb0rn has a video on that: https://youtu.be/wBBJjSxl-pg
but just know that it is not really that useful in cp
dash refreshing doesn't work afaik
harsh pasture
Thanks everyone for the help. I got the dream gate working with a fresh copy.
hearty adder
Can elevator wallcling storage be used on NMG if you don't do shit like infinite jumps with it? Basically using it the same way you would wallcling storage on a gate
neon island
Yes, it is allowed under NMG rulesets but there are certain applications of it that have been banned
harsh mason
wallcling is allowed as long as you dont get somewhere you couldnt get to otherwise
vocal dove
question for my switch runners- are you guys using the pro controller? if not, any recommendations for a good controller?
dull birch
:D https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/mr93d24m am I able to ask for the runner role?
Thanks!!
snow dome
Welcome to the rest of the Discord
Now download Rando, the real reason anybody gets a blue name 👀
dull birch
Heck yeah! Lol
snow dome
Nice first submission!
floral ferry
Thanks! I ran it a bit before I felt comfortable submitting lol
I'm hoping to improve my time with everyone's help
digital jewel
harsh mason
i was watching that pog reylea content 😤
dull birch
Mods are a no go if you're planning on submitting a run.
Unless you're submitting it to hollow knight mods
digital jewel
if it's the run I'm thinking of you also had enemy hp bars
and yes mods are not allowed
it's in the rules
real flame
I don’t think it is the run you’re thinking of. I only had multiplayer and customknight installed
haughty fossil
moddingAPI cannot be enabled for main board runs because it changes the way the game works, and also src rules state that you should avoid running modded versions unless it is necessary as a community
real flame
Huh. Didn’t know. How drastic are the changes?
hearty adder
Depends on your specs
digital jewel
reading the rules for a game beforehand is a good habit to get into
limpid ruin
Any modification is against the rules unless explicitly stated otherwise, because any modification pushes the game further away from the intended, original product
real flame
I just figured that custom knight would’ve been allowed. I swore I saw fireb0rn use custom knight in one of his runs, though that might have been him practicing.
limpid ruin
Running modded hollow knight isnt running hollow knight, bc its not the same code anymore
trim ferry
can you hit that lever in current patch?
limpid ruin
its similar, but not the same
real flame
Hm
trim ferry
im a he/him if thats important
hearty adder
If you wanna use mods, there's the hollow knight mod leaderboards
limpid ruin
Which lever, cosmo?
uneven scarab
heads up: the great husks take 6 fireballs and about 12 hits to kill
trim ferry
i ran a route that excludes shade skip and includes Desolate&Descending. I got 1hr 23min.
I say this because I used Ddark on almost all toughies
im leaning towards shade skip tho
Practice
twin swallow
ddark definitely makes bosses much less stressful
but you have to do sanctum in exchange which is stressful and time-consuming
trim ferry
I raced others, we are more casual but they include all the major skips and i didnt. We near matched in times
my point tho is Im trying to get a sense of time exchanges between my route and the "optimal" route
twin swallow
I don't think it's quite that simple, someone at the top of their game could possibly still execute a slower route with fewer skips faster than a less experienced runner doing the optimal route
getting ddark as early as possible requires you to make an extra trip to city for dive, and not quit out after getting cdash to get ddark itself, and that's quite a lot of time added up
optimally it will lose many minutes that aren't clawed back just by having the extra damage for bosses
but if not having ddark causes you to die to bosses and lose a lot of time, then obviously it might be faster to get it
pure vault
play for short term results - keep getting ddark
play to eventually climb the leaderboard - run the optimal route and get comfortable with it
analog monolith
my friend runs 1 nail upgrade + ddark + isma's
pure vault
isma's is kinda a huge waste of time
the crossroads acid skip is super easy relative to other skips and you can just not do QGA
rugged crow
if you got ismas to skip crossroads acid then I assume you didn't do spike tunnel skip either, which is just an even bigger waste of time.
pure vault
yea the skips to get to isma's are all much harder than the xroads acid skip, and if you didn't do those then you killed dung defender and went all the way around
which is so much time for no reason
trim ferry
yea i find fun in racing casually. Their mistakes vs my longer route makes it pretty fair
thorn talon
hello guys so i started speedrunning path of pain but i need to start the timer when I go into path of pain and i don't know how to do it, there's a way to do it automatically ? thanks in advance 
digital jewel
are you on pc?
thorn talon
yes
thorn talon
i already have autosplit but i'll check the guide then thanks !
twin swallow
the timer will only autosplit at the end of the run
you need to start it manually on the load into the first room
make sure you're using loadless / game time and not real time
thorn talon
oh so i need to start it manually but i can't start it when i'm in-game with hotkeys
but thats what i wanted to know thanks !
digital jewel
you can start it in-game with hotkeys
turn global hotkeys on in livesplit settings
gray epoch
whenever i start a new save on 1.2.2.1 my nail doesnt work, im using keybinds where the nail is bound to the mouse
grizzled maple
that is why
gray epoch
is there way to have it so it will work
digital jewel
don't use mouse binds or use a program that lets your mouse mimic keyboard inputs
grizzled maple
i think this should work
#resources message
generally recommended to just not use mouse though
gray epoch
ok i just changed what would be mouse keybinds to arrow keys cause it doesnt feel too different so i will still be able to do platforming with wasd like i like
i realized my mouse has a built in remapper so i just made it so with a click of a button i can change the what would normally be clicks as h and j
blazing talon
what an easy way to hit the astrids with the spike
i keep hitting it just off and having to kill them normally
costs me alot of time
leaden python
patch 1221 torden?
leaden python
how exactly are you failing?
blazing talon
im hitting it either just a frame early or late each time and i cant seem to time it right
leaden python
I'm surprised because it's actually very lenient on pc
Can you record some videos of you failing it?
blazing talon
i cant try yeah
snow dome
Stand on the centre lower platform
As soon as you see any orange appear on screen jump onto the other platform, then immediately jump turn and hit
leaden python
you need to press one of default keybindings to get up. It's a known bug
gray epoch
ok thanks
snow dome
you need to press one of default keybindings to get up. It's a known bug
I did not know this, thank you
leaden python
yeah it's a pretty annoying one if you don't know about it
snow dome
This might explain why my getting up seems inconsistent
limpid ruin
you need to press one of default keybindings to get up. It's a known bug
Feature*
snow dome
[hollow knight bug joke]
blazing talon
oh i just realized i had enemies on inf health so i could practice
nvm then im hitting the astrids
leaden python
good, glad you resolved it
neon island
aapids
blazing talon
sorry i type aspids and it auto corrects me everytime
snow dome
blazing talon
shouldve bowed
snow dome
Ah, after it happened a couple of times I felt I needed to say something
blazing talon
yeah sometimes i just get lazy and dont correct myself
vocal dove
i'm just gonna call aspids Astrid Levinson from now on
knotty vigil
crystal meth
real flame
crystal meth
analog monolith
yea the skips to get to isma's are all much harder than the xroads acid skip, an...
yeah he does defender
he also goes the pilgrim's way route
hollow kestrel
Started practice runs today. Died to Hornet twice and then once on the way
I forgot i was bad at this game
hearty adder
Started practice runs today. Died to Hornet twice and then once on the way
I fo...
it's all about practice and perseverance
analog monolith
hornet is one where it's really beneficial to learn how to get fast staggers
dusk timber
@real flame "pieces of shit" LOL
hollow kestrel
I was very close to killing her and then i got combo'd cause i jumped into her
But from beginning of the game to False Knight i did fairly well so ya know, you win some you lose some (gotta practice damn aspid skip tho because my stupid brain was hitting the stalactite way too early)
real flame
@dusk timber my split names are one of my greatest achievements
dusk timber
@real flame love it
real flame
dull birch
Hornet can be a bit tricky to learn, just keep at it!
hexed heath
planning on trying a warpless SS any% tomorrow
first timer too
are those splits fine?
stray kestrel
is soup man soul master?
formal bough
shaw man? Hornet is specifically the gendered child use the proper one thank you very much.
i don't actually care and I understand that man can be used gender neutrally (though it's strange that that only works for one of them)
narrow crater
any tips for getting wk skip consistent other than do it a billion times
real flame
@narrow crater watcher knights skip?
just to be sure
the hitbox of the thing you pogo off of is a lot bigger than you might think. you pogo off the very top of that and dash into the wall, jump off that, and it's easy from there
jagged vault
They’re talking about glitched category watchers skip i think
Like skipping the fight
dry sluice
just practice
its the one real hard trick in the run so as long as you have that decently solid you should be pretty set
keen cedar
howdy folks, I had a question for any AG runners online: how do you move your knight while mms is up without clicking the menu?
dry sluice
keyboard doesn't affect the menu so if kb problem solved. if controller bind to keyboard buttons
keen cedar
oh dope thanks
rich gull
Quick question, is inventory drop timing random or its has consistency
formal bough
It's like the physics frame or smth you leave a platform. You can get good at it, on cp I doubt you can be 100% consistent (because the game is 🍝 )
rich gull
So it's actually tied to fixed update ? Nice thanks for quick answer
haughty fossil
its somewhere around 1-2 physics frames before leaving a plat iirc, which is 50fps. you can get some like the gruzzer room drop more consistently by first lining up so you're already half off the edge of the platform, then tapping left and inv at the same time
hallow orchid
I'm pretty sure all the inventory drops are consistent, just hard. You need to learn the timing for each one though because the ledges aren't always as they appear
harsh mason
i think its 1 physics frame or however many it takes for the frame you pressed it on
just because i think rb.velocity gets queued by the physics processor so it takes a frame to actually set your vel to 0 after you open inv
analog monolith
on 1221 it's easy as shit
harsh mason
there isnt a check on 1221
analog monolith
press inventory to inventory drop
analog monolith
hmm should i keep doing nail 1 or try to learn nail 0 strats
median gull
is there any way to reduce inconsistent quitouts? playing on cp if that matters
analog monolith
wym inconsistent
like you do the same inputs, sometimes you quit out sometimes you don't?
median gull
Sometimes I quitout, come back and buy a mask shard at sly
the split is literally that
quitout > load save > sly > buy shard
I'm always losing 1 to 1.7s every time compared to wr (4ms cp)
analog monolith
either text mashing, movement, or loads
or inputs for the quitout
hmm
my best guess
would be movement after the bench
because you need to make sure you jump in dirtmouth
median gull
so, am I basically stuck trying to run against a short run losing 2.5 to 3.5s every time?
median gull
:c
haughty fossil
run a longer run so quitouts matter less
like low% te
median gull
i'm still waiting btw
harsh mason
median gull
Well, clearing registry didn't work and restarting game also didn't.
I knew I would definitely lose time every run but 3s+ is just too much :c
median gull
Deleted them
I can record one tomorrow tho
4am rn i won't run now
only have golds recorded in case of a 4ms cp spreadsheet comsob, even though I don't think I would get them, but just in case
short spire
so do you have a video of your gold for the last split
median gull
Last split is basically a quitout + buying 1 shard from sly
I don't think I can gold that split lmao
median gull
👀
@ ax
from my last input (so my inputs don't matters) it took exact 4s (16.86 to 20.86), from https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes/run/zpl25rnm 8:31, jb's last input was 0.72, and 3.71 it started working back, so 2.99.
normal aspen
^
pure vault
timer running during main menu mashing is so wack
fiery trail
Quick question. Do you have to run HK in windowed mode to see your splits? or, can you run it in full screen? I prefer running in full screen.
austere terrace
Hi there,
Just started practicing speedrunning HK (thanks to awesome community content). But I only have one monitor, and even with livesplit running and OBS integration working, I still can't see my time (of if it started or splitted correctly) while playing ... (Have to alt-tab or check stream). Is there any way to make like a picture-in-picture style ? (Running 1.2.2.1, on Windows 10)
Thanks in advance !
fiery trail
I have the same question, interestingly.
austere terrace
Quick question. Do you have to run HK in windowed mode to see your splits? or, c...
Lol, didn't saw ur question :p
austere terrace
I have the same question, interestingly.
I'm in there with u, but seem I can't run windowed, can't change in menu (mb debug mode issue)
verbal stag
go to hk properties in steam and add -popupwindow as a launch option
it makes it open in borderless windowed
fiery trail
I run via gog.
haughty fossil
you can use Alt+Enter while ingame to toggle fullscreen
that should allow livesplit to show up on top
austere terrace
Thanks ! Im at work but will check tonight
@fiery trail GL on finding a GOG solution
hasty moat
is there any way to reduce inconsistent quitouts? playing on cp if that matters
pretty sure quitouts are slower on cp
I always load in significantly later on the timer in my any% runs compared to 1221
limpid ruin
I run via gog.
GOG Galaxy?
fiery trail
Ok, interesting. If I run 1.2.2.1 via gog galaxy with -popupwindow and switch it to windowed via alt-enter, it actually functions as desired.
limpid ruin
yea, thats what i was gonna tell you to do 
the -popupwindow argument isnt actually launcher related at all, its just an argument to how unity should start the game
so it'll work for (i think) all other unity games as well
verbal stag
oh that's cool
leaden python
quitouts are different between patches, yeah, but they are also rng within the same patch. The timer advances a random amount after you confirm exit 
So someties you can lose like over a second for absolutely no reason
frigid rapids
So someties you can lose like over a second for absolutely no reason
over a second sounds like a stretch, but more than 0.5s, definitely
leaden python
I meant CP, but on 1221 yeah, usually if you lose something, it's within 0.3-0.7, I don't think I recall something more than that
frigid rapids
oh on CP it's up to 1s? fucked up
leaden python
yeah the difference is def more on CP. Although to me personally it happens quite rarely. I can distinctly remember 2 times I was sure I lost over a second to quitout like that. Usually it's the same as 1.2.2.1 - annoying but doesn't really matter at my level anyway
I'd be glad if it's possible to fix it somehow - like to stop the timer right away after you confirm the exit and only start it when you gain the control in the main menu. But it's not something I would push myself for
boreal elm
is there any way to do the like inventory fall thing on ps4?
limpid ruin
try to open it right as you walk of a ledge
if you check a current patch run you can see some uses of CP inv drop
boreal elm
ok thanks
wicked garnet
Yo I've gotten consistent with the first 10 mins of my run so far
snow dome
Aluba% wr incoming <_<
deft thorn
I wish the first 10 mins of my 4ms runs were consistent >_>
jagged vault
that's great, hoovy!
winged chasm
hey how do you get the role of a speedrunner?
rotund jackal
You must have a run on the speedrun.com leaderboards
sturdy junco
I'm trying to downpatch on the tutorial stated in the pinned msg
But I get stuck at Steam/cmd
sturdy junco
and on cmd it says: Unable to dump stack trace: Filenotfound
It's been like that for about 10 mins tho
digital jewel
ok
sturdy junco
This one here
frigid rapids
It's been like that for about 10 mins tho
it can take that with this method
do you have a non-zero download speed on the download page?
sturdy junco
Is there a possible easier method?
digital jewel
it'll print a message in that console when it's finished
and you can go to the downloads tab to see the activity
sturdy junco
ahhh k
question, what did I open up cmd for
And it says I have to patch steam after every restart, does that always take up 1 more gb of space? since the original download rn takes 1.2 gb
limpid ruin
you only have to patch steam every time you wnat to download something like the downpatching here
the game is being downloaded and doing as the rest of the guide tells you when ready means itll be playable until your comptuter breaks pm
digital jewel
hk installs take around 9-10gb of space
sturdy junco
I found one for Any%
steady lynx
You ever just die to Hornet 2 on PB pace?
limpid ruin
is there any other way to play?
twin swallow
it's the right thing to do.
drowsy tangle
i have a cool idea for a speedrun haha. Multiplayer! Someone has prob already thought of it lol. But like one player could pogo on the other, instead of doing fireball skips etc, the rules would probably be a big mess though, but it opens up a TON of possibilities
heavy spear
Oh shit I forgot the timer this speedrun is invalid
drowsy tangle
wdym
formal bough
Without livesplit it would just be timed by realtime
heavy spear
???
hearty adder
Livesplit can time your in-game time without loads but if you aren't recording with livesplit up then mods just use your real time (time with loads) to get your time on the leaderboards
formal bough
Basically there are two ways to time it - Loadless, or real time. Loadless is what the timer is used for, and it allows you to not have loads added on to your time. Without that timer, it would be timed realtime, just saying that the run has two hours of footage and is so 2 hous
analog monolith
console runs are always timed by real time as they can't use livesplit autosplitting
hearty adder
🍝
median gull
hk being hk yhtsi
dull birch
Lmao sometimes it really do be like that
formal bough
Think you got wcs off of the mushroom
dull birch
Probably. It's the only thing I can think of. It sending me backwards though just made me laugh
hearty adder
Yeah i'm 99% sure it briefly detected the collision on the side of the mushroom as a climbable wall
steady lynx
Guys, it finally happened, I got torch game
I also died to Soul Master but ignore that
formal bough
what is torch game? I've seen that before but don't understand it
thorn jasper
side-slashing between two close-by breakable objects below the ancestral mound entrance
while walking, without breaking either. it's a tight window
lucid stirrup
Any idea why I got that there?
the bigger question is what was the intention behind the sideslash 
thorn jasper
what is torch game? I've seen that before but don't understand it
torch game
steady lynx
People say it's pixel perfect but I really feel like it's bigger
lucid stirrup
slaurent do you have an input display for that? 
thorn jasper
uggggh don't make me do obs gwonkee (I see the but my point still stands)
short spire
theres no such thing as pixel perfect in hk
its certainly harder than it looks though
lucid stirrup
People say it's pixel perfect but I really feel like it's bigger
people say path of pain thorn skip is pixel perfect, god pixel is pixel perfect, people even say cp inv drops are frame perfect
short spire
yeah thats why ive always preferred just calling it god cycle
god pixel is misleading
steady lynx
cp inv drops are not frame perfect, they're way too easy for that
lucid stirrup
plus you can inv drop different lengths away from the ledges
like it can be much further away than other times
short spire
maybe its just that you need to open inv during coyote frames
which to be fair barely exist in hk because tc but yea
lucid stirrup
yeah im p sure thats true ax
harsh mason
nah
lucid stirrup
nah
harsh mason
return (!this.gm.isPaused && this.hero_state != ActorStates.airborne && !this.controlReqlinquished && !this.cState.recoiling && !this.cState.transitioning && !this.cState.hazardDeath && !this.cState.hazardRespawning && !this.playerData.GetBool("disablePause") && this.CanInput()) || this.playerData.GetBool("atBench");
``` is open inventory codeah i see 
🍷
harsh mason
this.ledgeBufferSteps is coyote time
lucid stirrup
of course that makes sense katie
harsh mason
this.hero_state != ActorStates.airborne is the bug
thorn jasper
People say it's pixel perfect but I really feel like it's bigger
it's a thicc window
short spire
yea the fact that youre moving will make it considerably tighter
thorn jasper
nail is out for a while
oh that's a good point
drowsy tangle
`this.hero_state != ActorStates.airborne` is the bug
what's "wrong" with it?
thorn jasper
I wonder if torch game is doable with Sprintmaster
harsh mason
it gets check in hc update
lucid stirrup
the actors live in the wrong states
harsh mason
which isnt the function that moves the knight, or the function that checks for inventory input
lucid stirrup
cant be airborne in florida, new mexico, and wisconson
steady lynx
Can it be airborne in California?
harsh mason
and fallcheck only checks if you're falling if you have gravity
private void FallCheck()
{
if (this.rb2d.velocity.y <= -1E-06f)
{
no no not even close
steady lynx
On other good news, I'm finally consistent at statue pogo
lucid stirrup
katie currently calculating the gravity in hallownest
drowsy tangle
oh ok, i guess that makes sense
steady lynx
Time to find out if Hallownest exists on an earthlike planet
harsh mason
gravity is like 74 pixels per second
lucid stirrup
did you use knight's height to calculate?
steady lynx
I think the main issue is that we don't have any idea how tall or wide anything in Hallownest is
steady lynx
Like, we can't check how tall an Elderbug is in the real world
short spire
what does a pixel even mean in this context
drowsy tangle
unless
short spire
it's not like the gravity depends on your resolution
harsh mason
the game doesn't run at higher res
its runs at 720p
and its 0.74 units
at 100ppu
drowsy tangle
the fall speed gets higher over time right?
harsh mason
thats how acceleration works yes
lucid stirrup
its in sly's room, where you get nmg
harsh mason
are you asking for how gravity is coded
lucid stirrup
thats where all the code goes
drowsy tangle
no just wondering whether team cherry implemented that themselves or if it's built-in unity code
harsh mason
its built into rb2d
drowsy tangle
oki 
sand raft
Ok so I'm watching Skurry's video about saving and naming every grub, mainly because Elegy% seems like a fun category, mainly because there's no difficult bosses in it besides BV which isn't even difficult in the first place
steady lynx
BV is about the only boss I've not died to... Yet
sand raft
I've died to every single boss in the game besides MMC
short spire
do you have an actual question or something or are you just informing us that you're watching a video
sand raft
I'm just curious, is it worth learning Elegy%?
steady lynx
Yeah, it's a neat category
short spire
do you want to learn elegy%
sand raft
Yea but I have no clue what the route is
steady lynx
Who has the pastebin?
short spire
then yes it is worth it
lucid stirrup
sand raft
Who has the pastebin?
What pastebin lol
sand raft
Yea that's what I thought it was but yea who does have it
lucid stirrup
elegy% has a hard skip to nosk as well
thorn jasper
sand raft
Thank
thorn jasper
from up here, may want to scroll up to see if there was any worthwhile discussion
steady lynx
Speedrunners and pastebin, name a more iconic duo
thorn jasper
speedrunners and saying "why am I like this?"
steady lynx
Speedrunners and not talking to Elderbug
thorn jasper
speedrunners and not switching to #sr-offtopic
steady lynx
shh
sand raft
Speedrunners and pastebin, name a more iconic duo
My fist and your face
harsh mason
actually i rechecked and its 79pxs^2 
grizzled maple
i once listened to "why am i like this?" by the word alive for 7 hours practicing colo after a series of deaths in a row there
sand raft
below Zote Arena (5)
Which one is this?
steady lynx
Deepnest Zote
formal bough
Would it be the one with all those spikes that you pogo to get there and that strange geo chest location?
digital jewel
you should have a map with all the grubs open if you're going to read that kind of route
sand raft
Ok
digital jewel
there's no way in text to describe the locations easily
steady lynx
Unless you have a great mental map of Hallownest
sand raft
I normally do, there are only a few areas that I don't remember well
lucid stirrup
i think describing hk locations isn't too bad in text
median gull
^
small scaffold
Hello <@&284848710960021504>. Can I have the speedrunner role please? Here is a link to one of my verified runs. https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/mr4jj4dz
Sorry if wrong channel for this
median gull
this is the right channel dw
lucid stirrup
right channel
harsh mason
i mean text is how most trackers do locations
lucid stirrup
you can be like: "the spot under the fake dive egg in KE with the great hoppers
median gull
grub below zote relic is just spike grub, isn't it?
lucid stirrup
and you know exactly what im talking
harsh mason
like oot tracker just says
sand raft
OH MY GOD LMAO
harsh mason
vines isn't exactly descriptive but you know where it is
sand raft
I'm just watching something and then it's just "Evasive Move", it's like badly translated all over again
twin swallow
never lucky
limpid ruin
thats okay, its completely understandable in spite of that
zenith sorrel
snow bloom
when i tried activating autosplitter it said this what can i do to fix it?
median mauve
Elegy% is the best run, free
raven holly
I think you might be getting that error because you have 2 autosplits with the same name selected in the list @snow bloom
sand raft
Currently learning Nosk Skip, wow this is hard
After finishing Deepnest, do you go right to get to the grub faster or do you go left like normal?
Oh nvm
You have to go left because of skipping FK
finite heart
Welp that run is dead now.
thorny steppe
hey guys just beat the game in 37 seconds no big deal
formal bough
the ingame timer is garbage
thorny steppe
woosh
neon island
^
limpid ruin
"hey speedrunners who spend significant amount of time on this hobby, hahahahahhaha, omg listen, i beat the game fast hahahahahha orignial joke god im funny"
?srpsa
sick ravenBOT
Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602
formal bough
i just assumed that the ingame timer said 37 seconds because I would believe that
limpid ruin
just trying is more than enough. Youll get there with practice and patience if you want 
formal bough
I'm second to last place and 25 minutes behind the next person, more competitive than me. low% cp real time :)))
cold geyser
low% cp real time is a category
rugged crow
more competitive then me, I havent submitted anything to the main leaderboard because I havent done many runs :)
thorny steppe
"hey speedrunners who spend significant amount of time on this hobby, hahahahahh...
im knew didnt know this was anything serious sorry
new
short spire
fulfill your dreams mango
rugged crow
people dont really appreciate jokes in this channel, its more used to help people get into running the game and answer any questions they have.
short spire
start practicing and one day you will be the 37 second pb holder the legends told about
thorny steppe
doubt
rugged crow
why stop at 37 seconds? just find a wrongwarp to send the knight to the last thk scream
twin swallow
practice it with the lantern first
digital jewel
which dark room
sand raft
Right before DDark
twin swallow
grizzled maple
it sure do be like that
neon island
It is also one of those things that just clicks
Keep practicing and you'll get it down 👍
stray kestrel
is this still your warpless route?
hexed heath
yeah
stray kestrel
who's soup man again lol
hexed heath
soup man is the soul man
hexed heath
the first is through FK city crest yeah
stray kestrel
i definitely forgot that way in existed lol
hexed heath
did it lanternless which is why I didn't go to cp right away
stray kestrel
is that faster?
hexed heath
idk I got the nail 1 on the way to ease thk fight
the main timesave is not having to go save sly and getting the lantern which also means you don't have to get wk cash and lemm relics
felt like it was faster to go through the deepnest from the prophet
the deepnest was the most tense part but overall still very doable if you know the layout
mighty trellis
I think it isn't faster
stray kestrel
going through qg is faster in regular any% but idk what your route changes exactly so it could be diff
mighty trellis
if your route just changes the nail you should go through QG
hexed heath
I don't know the layout of qg tunnel 
stray kestrel
like in deepnest from qg?
hexed heath
yeah that feels like a complete maze unlike the straightforward horizontal ones
stray kestrel
its really not that hard
i learned like the whole dark room part qg to dv yesterday in like 30-45 mins
hexed heath
nice
stray kestrel
i've always been like super scared of dark rooms but as you said the horizontal rooms were surprisingly straightforward
hexed heath
yeah the only problem was getting hit by the deeplings
hollow kestrel
Quick question about the early game aspid skip: do you strike the stalactite up or side? Also do you hit it right as it falls or let it fall a sec
Having a lot of trouble trying it, and i cant find a video explaining it anywhere
mighty trellis
side
if you hit up it's destroyed
also try to time when they spawn
you can take a look at fireb0rn's guide on youtube
hollow kestrel
Okay, i just hit it for the first time, but it was a little low
mighty trellis
if I remember well it's part 1 or 2 of the speedrun achievement
hollow kestrel
Ohhhh i tried the any% nmg guide but because its on 1.2.2.1 (i think), he just uses a quick kill method instead of going for the skip because its inconsistent
Thank you, i will look that up
leaden python
I'm actually somewhat interested in warpless routing. that is, without using s/q to warp to the bench
neon island
Any% 0SQ NMG when?
leaden python
s/q, while optimal, takes away some fun movement sometimes I think
leaden python
yeah
neon island
it is just nice because you save and quit in most cats
limpid ruin
you should run zote%, sedic
mild moon
I did no save quit a while ago.
#speedrunning message
It wasn't that much slower than the other steel soul routes.
short spire
would non ss no save quits still just shade skip tho
mild moon
Hard to say, since there are a lot of ways to route it. Any% with death warps is still a very strong route though.
hearty adder
It would really depend on whether using a death on purpose would be qualified as a sq or not
short spire
oh yea i guess death warps would be an option true
leaden python
Like, the purpose is just to discover some fun movement that isn't really used
mild moon
The purpose does not seem well-aligned with the constraints
leaden python
Like Hornet 1 to claw
mild moon
Hornet 1 to claw is definitely fastest by death warping
leaden python
I guess I'm thinking not about warpless at all
like, the point is not to find the fastest route by banning s/q
And without substituting s/q with a deathwarp
because otherwise it would be almost the same route but with less soul
stray kestrel
geo would be a pain tho
short spire
steel soul def seems like the logical additional constraint
i dont like rules based solely on intent like no deaths for the purpose of warping
leaden python
But I don't want to ban death either, because I don't want to start over if I die on accident
short spire
leaden python
Like, it's not something I would be running competitively. It's just for fun of discovering new movement/routing exercise. inb4 dab
short spire
yeah i know, i still like consistent rules though even for personal challenges
mild moon
I recommend looking at that city crest ssnsq route I posted. That sounds like what you're looking for
very good for vanilla bingo/geo routing, if that were a skill that had any real life applications
mild moon
I did not, because I also like consistent rules
short spire
true true
did trinomi do one? i feel like i remember someone doing something like that
leaden python
I don't really like "skipless" naming cuz it's so wack
Like mantis pogo is kinda skip and I'm peepoLeave if I can't do it
mild moon
There isn't any "kinda" about it. Pogo is skip, full stop
fury of the fallen requires Cdash skipless cmm
leaden python
Although if we're just removing 100% obvious sequence breaks it might be kinda interesting. Like no second FB skip, no epogo, no shade skip
harsh mason
if you define a skip as getting somewhere you couldn't otherwise then pogo would be allowed
leaden python
Yeah I guess I'm fine if "skip" == "sequence break"
stray kestrel
dont you need claw to get up to that point otherwise?
leaden python
although I'm not going as far 🙂
I guess I can also play some rando-rando without bench warp
same spirit
short spire
itd be just a meme but yeah to me skipless would just be literally not using any movement tech or doing anything that can be interpreted as not the intended casual experience
leaden python
yeah it's too much meme for me
harsh mason
no dashing or spell either
leaden python
lmao
harsh mason
and not dying to a boss 100 times is skipping the intended casual experience
leaden python
you are only allowed to dash through areas you already visited
and only sporadically
dull lion
specifically constrained as every dash at least .75 seconds late and only in places where you should be C-dashing anyways. Obviously you can't C-dash unless required
However, to balance this, sprintmaster will be a required charm after first Salubra visit
stray kestrel
dont forget compass and/or gathering swarm
dull lion
good point. Maybe we should also add the constraint that you hit every well with your nail to make sure that its not breakable too
Oh and quick cast isn't allowed, only tapping the focus button for spells
neon island
So is this new idea just turning a speedrun into casual play but fast?
stray kestrel
but no spells except where required like baldurs so it wouldnt even matter much
cinder bison
did my first run after a few days of practicing / taking a break
can u tell what i forgot to practice lmao 
nocturne field
neon island
Oh my gosh, that emote is horrible
cinder bison
raven holly
grizzled maple
Go here: https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight#Any_Steel_Soul
and watch a couple of runs.
deft flame
so this might be a bit off topic but
grizzled maple
And if you have more specific questions we can help here
deft flame
how do people show keyboard input overlays on stream? do they make custom layouts or is there like a premade one for the obs plugins?
grizzled maple
gamepad viewer is the one for controller. its a browser source. theres a similar app for kb inputs
deft flame
assuming im using standard controls
nocturne field
Hey everyone, does version 1.2.2.1 support a switch pro controller?
grizzled maple
no ender it wasnt at the time of the patch
neon island
You can use something like BetterJoy or JoyToKey and bind your controller inputs to keyboard inputs
nocturne field
rip ok
grizzled maple
nohboard is the one i think most people use for kb input display. i had to google but that sounds familiar
it is possible to customize either of those if you know a little of the code
deft flame
oh thanks, i was trying to use one named input-overlay but apparently it needs you to make a custom texture for your layout
i'll try nohboard
nocturne field
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shit sorry my cat decided to talk to yall
stray kestrel
hi ender's cat
nocturne field
Here's payment
For his sins
Could I theoretically add a downpatch 1.2.2.1 as a non steam game so that I can use steams built in controller remapper (I forget what its called lol)
nocturne field
Alright sweet thanks
trim ferry
XDDD Im watching a old SS speedrun from fireborn to see the route and I was not expecting
So Im watching this trying to see what they do without shade skip and...
the guy just ascends up to the platform
jagged vault
Which run are you watching?
Steel soul runs usually do the tram pass route into right city
You’re watching an Nsoob run
trim ferry
ok ok
jagged vault
the glitches fire uses there to get up are banned in no major glitches
trim ferry
Whats a decent time for steel soul?