career-advice

[hollow mist]

if you want to really help out Go on dark Web thier are many Chat Box Where you can Get info

[spice ocean]

I don't know how to enter on that web, and i think it's illegal.

[hollow mist]

why you want to help out your friend, can't he go to the police, isn't is illegal?

[fringe sphinx]

This isn't the channel or server to discuss this.

[spice ocean]

Romania doesn't care about these stuff, and you gotta pay between 3-15k euros to lawyers. Doesn't worth it.

[hollow mist]

ok i'm not speaking more sorry to intruppt

[spice ocean]

How if statements work?

[hollow mist]

.

[fringe sphinx]

This is the careers channel. How about #python-discussion for if statements?

[spice ocean]

Alright, didn't see that. I'm new here by the way.

[grave maple]

Where can I ask about IPPC?

[crisp stream]

What is it?

[grave maple]

Icpc I meant

It is an international programming contest

[near ocean]

<@&831776746206265384>

[still condor]

!cleanban @empty zodiac scam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @empty zodiac permanently.

[peak halo]

!warn @rain cosmos your message was removed for offering a job, which is not allowed.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @rain cosmos.

[dense panther]

hi

[kindred oyster]

<@&831776746206265384>

[viral abyss]

anyone from. US?

[fringe sphinx]

Lots of ppl. Why?

[viral abyss]

Id like to make some good friends here for my business

[fast prawn]

hello everyone, im a SOC analist trying to learn python for future carreers

[viral abyss]

cool

[vapid jay]

Yeah... Just sent two connections to senior roboticist and they accepted but didn't respond. I guess the best way is to go to networking events.

One from humanoid, and the other a CTO of a robotics company, one didn't really accept from Figure AI . No worries, robotics is a fast evolving field. It won't be surprising to me if they're very busy.

[echo prairie]

ah i see

what country are u from if u don’t mind me asking ?

[vapid jay]

UK, why?

[slate solstice]

how badly did i f up here? I passed HR interview and Tech interview with flying colors, third round I had an interview with the Cheif Product Officer. Talked with him for about 40mins. 20mins he was trying to get to know me 20 mins he talked about the company it went really well. Thing is during this chat he literally answered all my questions about the company, and I kind froze up at the end and I said "I have no questions, you basically answered everything I was planning to ask" could this cost me the job?

[vapid jay]

In my opinion, no.

[slate solstice]

I think im just overthinking it 😅😅

[vapid jay]

I guess it also depends on who else is applying for the job, too. So I hope you succeed!

[slate solstice]

Thank you, i appreciate it! I had a strong referral and did really well overall so i think i have a good chance but not going to get my hopes up just yet 😅

[vapid jay]

Well, no matter what happens, you gave it your all 🫡 Success is only a milestone, and every failure is simply a step that carries you closer to it. So if you do succeed, don't stop there 💪

[fringe sphinx]

You're overthinking it, yes.

[sturdy bronze]

You're probably fine. But next time end it with a "Can I email you, if I have more questions" 😝

[languid rose]

heyy

[visual flax]

Hey I want to redeem myself for not being super successful in life. What are some ideas on how I can catch up and potientially get on 30 under 30 using my engineering skills

I have 4 years to achieve this

[hardy horizon]

Work 12h a day? So you can catch up who is ahead and is working 8h a day?

[regal axle]

This doesn’t work. You can sustain this for maybe a month. A few if you are really lucky. But the backlash on your mind and body will set you back even more. Burn out is real and lowers your productivity. Doing more sometimes results in less

[visual flax]

My apologies this is an inapporiate question lol. I get like this when I compare myself to others who most definitely had more opportunities than I do and ever will.

[regal axle]

Become a criminal. The 30 under 30 to prison pipeline is very real. And for the most part, you “pay” to get on that list. It isn’t very respected anymore

[visual flax]

What do you guys think of self made billionairs liek Alexandr Wang who made billions at 25

Like why is it possible for him but not others

[regal axle]

He got lucky. Simple as that. I mean, and he was not 100% “self made”. But that doesn’t matter so much as the pure luck part. That level of success is not reliably reproducible

[visual flax]

that's also very true. I noticed that some of them ended up in jail or were scamming

Is it normal to be arrogant accquiring that level of success at such a young age?

[regal axle]

Very normal. It’s basically impossible to not get any arrogance with such quick success

[visual flax]

I know I couldn't stay humble being that rich and that powerful while a great portion of kids my age are trying to afford milk

[regal axle]

Besides, once you are that successful, you will end up surrounded by an echo chamber. Almost impossible to avoid that. Because of the power dynamics at play.

[visual flax]

I'd literally talk down to everyone and every thing.

[regal axle]

Well you would probably get training on how to not do that in public at least

[visual flax]

Indeed, but being a 25 year old billionaire sounds like so much fun. Plus unlike most people you can be a bad person make millions off it instead of looking like a broke loser.

[regal axle]

? Not sure what your last sentence means.

Anyways, you are very clearly guided by the wrong stars. A better North Star might be in order

[visual flax]

Anyway I'm off topic thank you for answering me Joshie when I was out of line( I let my insecurities spill out too often

[hardy horizon]

Well I'll have to disagree with you in parts, like I don't know nor care about liek Alexandr Wang. But there surely are Self made Millionares all around the world. People that went from 0 to 1.000.000 and are actually good people, I might be wrong, but I get a feeling that @visual flax is probably refering to those people.

[visual flax]

Alexander is not a good person not by my standards. But I'm wondering about those people yes. I noticed that those who did come form 0 to 10000000 were super talented and super lucky. But hard work is an important component but not the only one. God must smile on you as they say

[regal axle]

It isn't that off topic. Its fine

[regal axle]

I agree that there are lots of self made millionaires . My response was to billionaires

[visual flax]

I will answer this largely because I started the conversation but it is off topic. From what the asian community has said about he his is a unauthentic, exploit's poorer income nations, and is essientially doing whatever he can for money.

[fringe sphinx]

For every outlier billionaire there's a billion broke people. But, life isn't about the extremes. Use the tools you've got, and do something with it that's in your control.

[visual flax]

Indeed

[fringe sphinx]

And, as they say, chance favors the prepared mind.

Or as John Wick, fortune favors the bold. I prefer the first.

[clear coyote]

Hey everyone

[frank orchid]

anyone want learn python with me i am new i know alil i need someone learn python with me

[west fractal]

is there any benefit of pursuing masters, PhD degree?

[smoky quest]

#career-advice message

[smoky quest]

Multiple people have already answered your question. Do you expect a different answer every time?

[visual flax]

I'm sorry to tell you this but this is a personal question you gotta ask yourself. No one can answer if for you. If you mean will you get a bang for your buck probably not maybe with a masters definitely not with a phd.

[west fractal]

my bachelors university is bad

[visual flax]

What is it in?

[west fractal]

CS

[visual flax]

Nah I doubt it man.

[west fractal]

what you doubt

[sage grotto]

👍

[west fractal]

i'm confused

[visual flax]

That a masters or PhD would help with job search.

[smoky quest]

about?

[west fractal]

i mean for high paying job, not average

[visual flax]

Yea still connections are better.

[west fractal]

should i pursue masters or Phd for a better high paying job

[smoky quest]

The same question will yield the very same answers.
Thus you may want to ask different questions about topics not already answered if there lies your confusion

[west fractal]

so master or PhD from a top university will not help in getting a high paying job considering my bachelors university is shithole?

[peak halo]

getting a masters or PhD in CS is more about unlocking jobs that require that extra education. not making yourself more eligible for the same jobs that bachelors degree holders are applying for.

[west fractal]

what jobs will get unlocked? are they more high paying?

[peak halo]

a lot of degrees in ML require those higher degrees. maybe some in cybersecurity?
I'm not aware of general software engineering jobs that benefit from a PhD.

[visual flax]

In theory.

[west fractal]

what

[west fractal]

so for ML, I need masters in AI?

[peak halo]

usually yes

[visual flax]

Maybe the phd job is higher paying or maybe it's lower than what a person with a bachelors could get. No certainity.

[west fractal]

huhh

i have to prepare for exam now and do lot of maths and useless things which is not going to get used anywhere in project building

shit education system

[west fractal]

how can this be not certain

[pine sleet]

nothing is certain

[fringe sphinx]

U sure?

[vapid jay]

I feel like masters or PhD is only useful to an extent to specific fields, so long as you have a good portfolio and show passion in the field you want to get into and have relevant experience. That alone should be good for increasing the liklihood of getting a job. However, I've noticed there is no roadmap that gurantees you a job. Sometimes, it's just about luck and who you know, or when opportunity meets someone who is well-prepared.

[untold wagon]

plz help me

I’m about to go to America, but my English isn’t very good.
I’d like to learn from a native English speaker from the U.S.
U only need to teach me 30 minutes per day, and I’ll pay $25 per day.

[vapid jay]

This isn't the appropriate channel for this, you're technically breaking the rules whereby you can't offer jobs on here.

This channel is simple, you ask for career advice or recommandations.

[smoky quest]

That day has happened: I am about to use AI to filter out candidates 🕶️

[untold wagon]

what?

[smoky quest]

?

[untold wagon]

So you mean AI is better than teacher?

[smoky quest]

how did you come to that conclusion from my message?

[jovial solstice]

hola amigos

[deft herald]

I'm using it to write peer reviews

In fact, we're sort of being told to use it to write peer reviews

[peak halo]

really?

[deft herald]

I even made a chart for the process
It's a bit silly

[fringe sphinx]

oh man, when I had to write performance reviews. I would've loved gpt.

[deft herald]

Yeah i mean it's useful sure, but why can't we just provide the concise 3-4 sentence summary directly to the manager

[near ocean]

Because theyre too easy and we don't do things because they're easy

[regal axle]

But using gpt is just as easy. Are we really better off with this workflow vs just providing each other the concise input?

[west fractal]

Is education from a top 50 QS ranking university not improve my chances?

[spice ocean]

Yo guys, should i leave college and go into programming?

[fringe sphinx]

Please don't.

[spice ocean]

I got a low profile anyways..

[fringe sphinx]

Many things affect your career prospects. A good school helps, sometimes more than a graduate degree. It's not just the degree but what you do.

[fringe sphinx]

If you want to be a software engineer, a degree is important.

[spice ocean]

I don't know man, i'm going to mechanic for cars profile. And i don't like it. I can't find what i like, i'm just around programming

[charred pasture]

I lost my job as an art teacher due to COVID on my second week and I'm going into learning programming to try and find work there. hopefully that turns out better

[upbeat bobcat]

How can one get a job as a freelancer, or even work for a company?

After you learn the language, what would people usually have you do?

[peak halo]

there isn't really a freelance market for people who just learned a programming language.
you have to be more experienced than a junior developer to freelance, because you have to be a one-person show who is running your own business.

[pine sleet]

you work on some projects, and then you make a good resume showing off your education, previous work experience, and projects, and you apply on places like linkedin

[upbeat bobcat]

ty

[wide sequoia]

I want to get a more professional job writing python, building docker containers, or managing containerized environments.

This is a docker stack with a custom app (on the right) I put this together by mashing a few old projects together + writing a system for managing multiple docker compose files and easily installing / preconfigured packages from a git repo (called a "depot", this way you can set your own up for a group / company to user). It's effectively a pre-configured appstore for docker.

I use my app design / scripting skills daily, but I'm working far above my paygrade (I make only a little above minimum wage here). How would I best get myself in front of someone in hiring / use this to explain what I can do? I have about 8 years of daily python/html/js and a few IT / Programming certificates but have had no luck even getting an interview.

This is Bootstrap + Flask for anybody who cares

[lilac yoke]

It sounds like you might want to be a devops engineer or SRE, I would recommend investing in a home lab to put on your resume and applying for those jobs specifically, granted you get referrals

[wide sequoia]

I have two Dell R620's, reverse-proxy, ~60 subdomains with group-based acls, multiple public game servers (Garry's Mod, CS2), and experience with ESXi and Kubernetes already

I don't mention the game servers on the cover letter but yeah

[tame bobcat]

Hey guys, i am a junior analyst in python and i only know python. i am working in finance and i was asking myself if i need to learn another langage and if yes which one beetween rust C++ and C# or java. Which one do you recommend to learn it fast. i am ready to spend hours per day/week to learn i am ready for that

[smoky quest]

what do you plan to do with this new language?

[tame bobcat]

would like to move in front office job or work in a tech / start up company. Also want to learn a new langage because having only python as a junior in this current job market is pretty "bad" in the eyes of the recruiter

[smoky quest]

and what do you plan to do with this new language in either case?

[tame bobcat]

Either doing pricing in finance but i am afraid that my mathematic level is too bad even if i have a mathematic degree, or working for building the app that the trader used even me i dont really know

[smoky quest]

So it sounds like:

• For the finance part, you may want to look at whether or not pricing libraries are in python or some other language
• For building app, the language will depend on what you want to do, such as mobile, frontend, backend, etc. Once you have picked something, look at which one is the most popular in your area

[fringe sphinx]

There's a few ways to get better, but it generally comes down to doing something meaningful... not the language. Find something relevant or adjacent to your experience and double down by contributing to an open source project or developing something that'll help you. Finance math happens to be fairly convenient in Python, so it's hard to imagine a scenario where I'd be jumping to rust for analytics... maybe for real time pricing per tick or at high granularity or something

[tacit pewter]

@steel tide

[west fractal]

guys is this true?

[strong lava]

why? demands from management to put AI somewhere in the process? too many junk applications for humans to look through?

[strong lava]

where'd you get this from?

[west fractal]

chatgpt

[strong lava]

is all this just to avoid going to university?

[west fractal]

what do you mean

i'm going to university, dw

[rocky igloo]

hello guys

I do not know the python but wont to learn it

but idk witch course is the best I think itd codecademy but i need a recomandation what do you think?

[crisp stream]

!res general
We generally recommend the Automate the Boring Stuff and A Byte of Python books.
For courses, you can take a look at the CS50P course from Harvard.
All of these are free resources.
-# This is also the wrong channel for your question. Try #python-discussion instead.

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[drifting bobcat]

I’m currently in computer school learning HTML, CSS, JavaScript, Python, and Django. After graduation, I want to keep improving my skills.

Someone is willing to sponsor me for further paid courses — they’re mainly considering this school for the certificate, but I feel it might be overpriced. They mentioned cybersecurity or data analytics as possible options.

👉 Which path (cybersecurity, data analytics, or something else) would you recommend after Python/Django that’s actually worth the investment and could help me build real skills or even start making money?

[trim crypt]

Do you have any interest in any of those paths or others?

I don't like doing sales/marketing/administration/finance. But I'm in a young, small, inexperienced startup as their CTO, who did 100% of the technical work, and they did nothing to bring in sales/revenue. The only formal documentation I have with them is forming the company together, identifying us as owners of the company. There is no NDA or Partnership agreement or anything to state that whatever I made belongs to the company. So in a way, I could take my AI chatbot and run it with someone else who can at least do sales/marketing. My partners have a meeting with, potentially a favorable, company that we can do business with. If that fails, I might leave.

The only reason I stayed this long with them is because they have the seed fund to fund the development work (server hosting, domain name, etc) and I am gambling my time on their marketing/sales/pitching skills to get some revenue in. Started since March. Seed fund came in in May. It is now September. Product is now MVP ready and after communicating this with them, they turned to crickets. No questions. Like as if they understood how it all works.

I think the problem with them is their commitment levels. Excluding me, there are 5 of them. 3 of them are students; 2 undergraduates and 1 post-graduate. 1 is in between jobs since COVID. And the last one is taking a government internship.

My question here is, should I stay and try something new with them? If so, what can/should I do? If I leave, it will definitely leave a nasty image and reputation of me with them, but more importantly, since the idea was originally theirs and I executed it, and the seed funding is still with them, how bad will things get from a legal standpoint if I left with my hardwork?

[fringe sphinx]

DSA is part of a CS program. This is equivalent to saying you need a CS degree.

[fringe sphinx]

Are you in us?

[trim crypt]

I'm from Brunei. Working in a Brunei Startup.

Legally, we follow the standards from UK law. Colonisation and all that.

[fringe sphinx]

What they're doing is terribly unprofessional from US standards. I'd -never- allow code to be contributed my company without a clear legal assignment of rights or contract.

Assuming UK law behaves the same, it's a sign they have no idea what they're doing.

Why would it leave a nasty image? Any one of them would, I bet, take a job or better opportunity if it arose.

Identifying as owners of a company: do you have a defined amount of equity in the company? (Shares?)

[trim crypt]

No, there's no mention of shares in the company registration. Just equal partners.

After spending a bit of time with them, despite their "busy" schedule in the past months, it does look like they have no idea what they're doing. I did remind them that we have access to mentors from the people who gave us the seed fund. Just ask them for help for the sales/marketing/etc.

Any advise to salvage this or give them one last chance to improve something in their efforts in sales/marketing?

[fringe sphinx]

Sure, you can make it clear that: you've done your part, but if they can't land a customer or funding, there's nothing more you can do

You're probably putting in far more hours than they are

Which also undermines your value

In startups I've worked for, the two people who matter are: the ppl who built it, and the ppl who sold it. Everybody else was overhead

[smoky cairn]

holy fuck langchain is slow to import

[trim crypt]

The most I've seen them do was attend workshops, and build corporate social responsibility, but none that I see that brings us closer to getting a sale. Right now, the upcoming meeting is the only thing I can see that might close the deal. So I guess if that falls through, I guess I'll leave. But can I shutdown the product and take my code with me?

[fringe sphinx]

But a 6 person equal partnership of college students sounds like a recipe for disaster

[smoky cairn]

and unstructured

[fringe sphinx]

Wrong channel, I think

[smoky cairn]

oops

[trim crypt]

Them and I were in a startup hackathon. They won the seed fund with their pitch. I didn't. They invited me to join them because they didn't have the technical skillset to make it for real. I accepted the invite because it looked like a clear indicator that they will get the support and know where and how we're going to achieve this thing. Apparently, I lost that bet. 😓 It's like a losing streak for me (and also makes me doubt the judges from that hackathon too).

Just had a thought. What if, because there's no partnership agreement, I draft one up, where it clearly states that I own the company as primary, and the rest are silent partners? They take a really small share, doing nothing but using their name. I use all the resources of the company and seed fund to find myself a new marketing partner/consultant or something. But that would be like a 1 vs 5 where my only leverage is the solution I built and they still have access to the seed fund bank account. Could cause a fight but I really don't want to come to that and hope to do this peacefully.

[fringe sphinx]

This is the very core issue with partnerships - what happens when the "partners" don't work out or contribute equally?

Lawyers make a lot of money with this problem. Heck, this is how you got the Winklevoss problem.

[trim crypt]

Lol I forgot how he managed to get out of that situation

[fringe sphinx]

Money. It's always money.

[trim crypt]

It won't be a similar situation as they are still part of the company. They're just there by name and not need to contribute if I drafted a parternship agreement where I take 80% of the shares, 19% goes to the company, and they take the remaining 1%. Or are those figures overdoing it?

[fringe sphinx]

lol, I doubt anyone would accept that.

Which, by the way, one of the first things "professional" investors do (ie: VCs) is blow up the cap table and reset it to something sane anyway.

[trim crypt]

Maybe pay them an exit fee?

[fringe sphinx]

based on what?

fwiw, you have a very normal problem that tends to not have easy answers.

[trim crypt]

Damn... No idea. None of what they did shows anything.

[fringe sphinx]

The problem is, this is a "consult a lawyer" phase.

[trim crypt]

😭 Ugh

[fringe sphinx]

You could sit with them and point out the disparity, that you still believe in the company, etc. Anyone who "walks" would need to sign a general release (or similar) to avoid a winklevoss.

[trim crypt]

I think that's the proper way. Talk it out. Once I get the better understanding of their current position to see if they are willing to commit or not after the upcoming customer lead meeting's outcome, I guess I could take the opportunity to announce how I feel about how we're getting this far.

Thanks BB

[drifting bobcat]

Yes, I do. Mostly, Cybersecurity. I want to focus on web development and start making money with it first. But my mum is saying I should grab this opportunity.

[trim crypt]

If you're serious about Cybersec, you could look into bug bounty

[drifting bobcat]

Bug bounty? Where? I am not very good at web development yet

[trim crypt]

Its not web dev. You have to google where to find the bug bounties. Each company would have their own bug bounty program. E.g. for Google https://bughunters.google.com/

[drifting bobcat]

Oh. I will check it out thank you so much

[drifting bobcat]

But I don't know cybersecurity

[trim crypt]

I thought you were gonna have access to paid courses and support to CyberSec stuff?

[drifting bobcat]

Oh yeah thanks. I have seen the bug hunters academy

[fringe sphinx]

The important thing, I think, is: Figure out what you want before the meeting, and don't agree with anything unexpected on-the-fly. Be purposeful. Soemtimes engineers get crossed up when dealing with non-engineers, especially those with really good social / manipulative skills.

[trim crypt]

This is what I have thought of so far. Tell me what you think.

I have worked long and hard to building this product. It is now at a MVP stage. This means that you should be able to sell it as is. If there are new feature requests, it will be put into a "wishlist" as it will not be developed until we start seeing money coming in. If and when the seed fund has run out, I will take the product offline.

[fringe sphinx]

It's somewhat confrontational and aggressive, tbh

[trim crypt]

You're right. Lemme try if I can rephrase it

[fringe sphinx]

The first part, I'd put it on them - Are they committed to taking this to market? ie: "I've done my part, now it's yours"

The second part, I'd say: "We need a business plan and roadmap, we'll map out new feature requests to the appropriate place in the roadmap."

And last part, I'm not sure I'd call that out. That puts them on notice... and if it was their idea, that'll trigger them, I bet.

(rightfully so, I might argue)

[spring surge]

hello

[peak halo]

you can't offer jobs here. this is your only warning.

[spring surge]

ok sorry

[open ivy]

For me, maintaining personal projects, at least at some level, is a necessity not a luxury. Meaning that maximum work productivity long term is sustained when I have enough down time to live and stay healthy.

Anyone else this way?

[fringe sphinx]

for me, it's an inevitability... neither a necessity or luxury.

[near ocean]

Maintaining projects is definitely a luxury once you get to a 9-5
My github essentially died the first day of employment

[fringe sphinx]

hmm. my projects are all somewhat work related, tbf

[stray mural]

hello world
i wanna know if there is scope in learning python, and how soon can i get a job if im starting today

[peak halo]

probably in about four years. most jobs require that you have a degree in something like computer science.

[stray mural]

im doing bcom

[peak halo]

can you switch?

[stray mural]

i doubt

[peak halo]

I think you would have a very challenging time competing with CS degree holders for developer jobs, but python can still help you be more efficient in any computer-facing job.

[stray mural]

what about something like an analyst?

or if i have a bcom degree could i do sumt business/ecommerce related?

[peak halo]

I've never heard of bcom degrees and idk what people with that degree do

[stray mural]

bachelors in commerce, ur not helping me cope brother

idc who im competing with, i will definitely get myself a good job

[peak halo]

I'm trying to give you useful advice, and part of that means being transparent about what I do and don't know.

[stray mural]

yeah i know but bcom isnt considered the best of degrees so it was dagger to the heart when u said u dont know what it is, thanks for the advice btw

[peak halo]

are you in India? I don't think we have bcom in the US.

[stray mural]

yep

[long solar]

Under the education section of a resume, should you list a few courses as "relevant coursework" ?

[peak halo]

sure

but you should basically only use that for electives. they already have a pretty good idea of what courses you're required to take @long solar

[long solar]

Yeah, I would just list my ML course, my RL course, and my advanced ML course (all electives)

[smoky quest]

the latter

too many AI generated resumes

[west fractal]

Is deep maths used at job?

[smoky quest]

depends on the job if it requires deep math

[fringe sphinx]

Truly living up to your name.

[west fractal]

I saw few job profiles Paying 300-500k

[fringe sphinx]

You're asking unanswerable vague questions, so you're not going to get useful specific answers.

[smoky quest]

Adulthood is far more blurry than school. There aren't any rails. You can make your own adventure.
Companies want to solve problems and hire people to solve these problems. They may rely on archetypes for hiring but at the end of the day, they want someone to solve their problems.

As such, someone developing video codecs will require more "deep math" than your run of the mill wix website for your local restaurant

[smoky quest]

Sure. People are paid for results and impact, not effort. You can even get paid higher

[fringe sphinx]

What's deep maths? What job? Part of good engineering is asking clear and unambiguous questions.

[west fractal]

They have deep maths as requirement and they prefer candidates with high gpd in university courses which are mostly theoretical and proofs

[fringe sphinx]

Then why did you ask? What did you want to know?

[kindred oyster]

can you maybe send a link to said jobs so we get a better idea of what jobs you are talking about ?

[west fractal]

I thought maths is not used at job

[kindred oyster]

if the job requires maths , you use maths

[fringe sphinx]

At any job anywhere?

[smoky quest]

have you seen the math behind Z3 or the math behind coccinelle or the math behind VP9?

[fringe sphinx]

I sure hope rocket engineers use math, as well as financial developers

[west fractal]

For ML job I thought they use only frameworks and technologies idk man they asking maths now and high gpa in subjects which are math heavy I thought they would prefer practical skills more

[fringe sphinx]

There are many jobs. At every level.

[west fractal]

😭

[kindred oyster]

is math not a practical skill ??

there are TONS of fields where you need to actively use maths , its not just a therotical subject you learn

[west fractal]

No what's this

[smoky quest]

It's a good thing. It means the world is far bigger

[smoky quest]

these are things that require math. I encourage you to explore them

[west fractal]

They need maths knowledge for deploying AI models I thought they want backend knowledge

[fringe sphinx]

Some jobs need deep maths. Some jobs don't.

[west fractal]

They want high gpa in ML subjects which are theoretical and useless proofs

Idk where are they going to use that knowledge in deployment of AI models

[smoky quest]

You have many kind of skills involved in there:

• Collecting, shipping and shaping the data
• Building the models based on that data
• Hosting these models
• Using these models
  ...

[cyan fulcrum]

Yup correct I feel you should know maths only work specific

[kindred oyster]

i can assure you companies dont actually care about your GPA as long as you have the skills

they use GPA most of the times as a filter to filter out weaker candidates.

once you are in the interview , they dont ask you "whats your GPA" , they ask "how well do you know stuff"

[smoky quest]

and many of them will require math

[cyan fulcrum]

Yeah but mostly if you go on LinkedIn or job hunting platforms people post they want skills you should know how to work with models and stuff

[smoky quest]

each of these would be a different role and job

[west fractal]

Yeah they said how to work with models but they also mentioned maths knowledge

[cyan fulcrum]

The thing is that companies these days doesn’t require any degrees they require skill though they mention about the degree like after completion of degree they gonna give the job even if we are more skilled then the graduates

[smoky quest]

For instance, if you want to work with time series, being aware of ARIMA and GARCH might be useful

[smoky quest]

Usually it's a degree or equivalent experience.
The main issue is that latter part is far more difficult to acquire and demonstrate. As such a degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[cyan fulcrum]

Agree that’s the thing depends on our skill you should find the job like the skills you have and you can relate that skills with company requirements then just hope if interview goes well

[smoky quest]

sure and for the jobs that do require math, math will be helpful

[cyan fulcrum]

Yup the equivalent experience is also the thing

[cyan fulcrum]

Yeah that’s why you should have knowledge of maths neither deep nor basic

[west fractal]

I think for AI job they need math

It's not just about doing AI backend and doing frameworks

[cyan fulcrum]

Like you should have knowledge such that even if you learn a new thing in maths it shouldn’t take much time

[smoky quest]

some jobs do, some jobs don't

[wraith harbor]

several of my coworkers dont have a degree, its definitely possible. pretty hard though, they all had their own semi successful startups on their own

[cyan fulcrum]

Depends some company don’t even require maths to do AI work they asks for LLM’s and stuff to be used to create AI agents

[west fractal]

I think I'll have to get masters and PhD now

I thought maths and proofs taught at university courses are only for researchers and not used at job while building and deploying projects but I was wrong

[kindred oyster]

it depends

you dont necessarily have to know every single thing you learn , justt knowing what math concepts are there , what they do , how to use them is enough imo , you dont have to know every single formula or proof

[cyan fulcrum]

I feel these days you have access to internet AI YouTube multiple things I feel instead of getting degree’s do more certifications because they will teach you course specific things and like you can learn things on your own saves money too

[smoky quest]

nah, that's a terrible thing

[kindred oyster]

i dont think learning things is a problem

landing jobs that way is the bigger issue

[smoky quest]

A good bar is that you should be able to pick up a research paper and implement it. So in your professional life, you won't really have to demonstrate any math proof (unless you go into research), but more likely to have understand the math and how to use them in the context of creating a new solution

[cyan fulcrum]

Yup learning things these days is very easy having job is the issue because of competitions as like even non technical people also see scope in technical field

[smoky quest]

Even learning would be a problem. I seldom see self taught reading papers or textbooks.
They are different shapes of people attracted to different kinds of jobs

[cyan fulcrum]

Due to which they try to switch and that’s the reason these days job are less and the ones which are available is like hard to crack

[cyan fulcrum]

Like learning depends on you how you feel to learn like by reading or watching videos people have different strategies which suits them better to learn things so it’s easy

[smoky quest]

you won't find the kind of content in books/papers as videos. So restricting yourself to not reading is going to be a severe limiter to your skills and career

Maybe in a few years, once genAI for videos is cheap and plentiful, it will be easier to have hatsune miku explain the latest papers in tiktok dances.
But for now, it's far too costly to produce videos for the reward

[cyan fulcrum]

Yeah that’s what I am saying there are so many videos you can go through and certification courses too

[smoky quest]

I am saying the complete opposite

[cyan fulcrum]

Ohh ok

[smoky quest]

you cannot find videos of what you can find in books/papers

[cyan fulcrum]

Yeah books does have much great content but like depends some people search few things on videos then they search about it on gpt or any AI bots and while searching it helps them explore which is like you go deep learning but in just the way you want where as books contain amazing stuff but it’s like you learning multiple things

[foggy cloud]

https://www.linkedin.com/company/acuron-ai-solutions/
Hi 5 new openings soon for freshers and interns , follow and stay tuned

[wraith harbor]

It's very hard to sort the good videos from the bad, and there are a lot of bad videos

[cyan fulcrum]

Yeah so you can like go with certifications courses as like main thing which I want to conclude was learning by your own is much cheaper and nicer then having degree’s

[west fractal]

Bro those ML jobs are professional life only and they are not research jobs.
They want practical skills as well with maths heavy subjects

[smoky quest]

what about it?

[smoky quest]

This is far more work and far less efficient than learning to read.
If someone doesn't want to read, that's a skill issue

[cyan fulcrum]

Yeah that’s what I said either you read watch videos but doing things on your own rather going to colleges for getting higher and higher degree is I feel like waste of time and money when you have so many resources

[smoky quest]

how would you be wasting your time?

[cyan fulcrum]

Like the things you gonna learn in colleges you can learn it way earlier by the resources we have today

And if you enjoy your work then you just explore and have fun learning and that makes us better in what we do so yeah colleges will also give you a nice education they will take tests and stuff to check your knowledge but if you love what you do then you by yourself will learn the things which college won’t teach

[smoky quest]

how do you know the things you need to learn? How do you know what you don't know?

If you love what you do, then why wouldn't you love going to a dedicated school to learning what you love with teachers who are at the forefront of their field and with other students who also love what they do? Plus that school can provide means and opportunities that are far beyond those of random people

[cyan fulcrum]

See I am not saying that going to school is wrong but if you know your path and you know what job you want to have you already get your answers from companies role requirements which already tells you what you need to do and in this world education is like you can get it from anywhere yeah schools are the best means to get education but if you know what you want to do you learn it from even a gpt or AI bots with the resources and more like it’s free too

[smoky quest]

No sure I understand why you wouldn't want to be the best you can be.
These paths are not equivalent and would lead to different jobs

[cyan fulcrum]

See I am saying is once you completed your bachelor’s after that if you think still you are not good enough that means you have wasted 4 years because of you calculate 4 years is enough to go with the trend and learn from school and by yourself after that having multiple degree’s after that is what I am saying is unnecessary until you live somewhere where you think you have reached the highest earning and you want to move to another place or country so masters and stuff becomes a bridge to increase your area

[west fractal]

I'll be doing master and PhD now

I won't listen to anyone who says maths or theory is not used at job

[wooden obsidian]

meow.

[near ocean]

i dont think anybody says that, especially for ML jobs

[smoky quest]

It's a lot like the 5 blind men and the elephant.
People will have different experience and draw different conclusions.

So you will hear from people who do not use math that they don't need it. But it doesn't mean there aren't any jobs that do need/use math

[smoky quest]

What makes you think you aren't good enough after completing your degree?

[cyan fulcrum]

No that’s the same thing I said what makes you think you aren’t good enough after completing the degree if you are focused and enthusiast then there isn’t any

[smoky quest]

enthusiasm is not a substitute for skill

[cyan fulcrum]

Yeah but if you have enthusiasm and you really enjoy doing what you do that that’s an extra thing helping you in achieving goals right

[smoky quest]

Sure, but that won't make it an equivalent to a degree

[cyan fulcrum]

Depends bro that’s the part of luck some people achieve things early without even going to college and some people just keep studying and achieve things way later

[smoky quest]

There are statistics that do correlate income with education, assuming you use income as a proxy for success

[cyan fulcrum]

Yeah either income or like the things you want to achieve

[rose shadow]

Hello

Can y’all tell me how you found your first job after graduation

Im having a hard time right now

[smoky quest]

You find the job by applying to job ads or through your network.
However competition is quite fierce right now.

You could post an anonymized version of your resume for feedback and additional context

[west fractal]

i thought math and hardcore theoretical knowledge is only required by researchers publishing papers but I see that for ML job, working on compilers you need all of that even if you are building on top of existing things or optimizing already existing stuff

[west fractal]

i thought open source contributions is valuable for that

never knew hardcore maths and theoretical proofs will be used while working on building systems that require tools and technologies experience

[fringe sphinx]

You're using these terms like they have real definitions. What's "hardcore theoretical knowledge"? We all use theory to different degrees, in different ways, etc. You're trying to fit "jobs" into buckets that don't exist.

"hardcore maths" too... what's hardcore vs not hardcore?

🤘🏻

[near ocean]

I think they're confusing actual ML work with glueing different apis together

[primal comet]

Can someone help me apply to tech jobs I’m extremely desperate and facing financial crisis. I have a bachelors degree in mechatronics engineering.

[peak halo]

What kind of help? A resume review?

[primal comet]

That would be awesome, I keep getting my applications thrown away because I can’t seem to beat the AI reviewer.

Some tips and tricks in this regard would be highly valuable

[peak halo]

try posting a large, readable screenshot of your resume with certain details removed.

[primal comet]

Omg this is genius 🤯

[primal comet]

Oh I see so you can review makes sense okay will do

[open ivy]

Since my mental health depends on maintaining projects, if I abandon them too long my work performance will plummet.

[deft cobalt]

@vapid jay such a shameless liar

[smoky quest]

How does it relate to #career-advice ?

[west fractal]

i mean

is mathematical theory of subjects like operating system , compilers with practical skills like programming , devops , cloud , systme desogn required while working on OS development or compiler development projects? Or only practical stuff is required and not theoretical mathematics of how things work

[smoky quest]

wat

[kindred oyster]

how do you get "practical knowledge" if you have no base of the "therotical knowledge" of your relevent field

[west fractal]

i said

[west fractal]

no i mean like i thought you just need theoretical understanding to be able to work and not like mathematics behind it

but i was wrong

[tribal falcon]

i feel like i'm going to college for all the wrong reasons i'm starting later this month; im not going because i care about higher education or a degree im only going because college can give me opportunities to make my life more interesting, busy, fun, and exciting

[regal axle]

Are you going into debt for this?

[tribal falcon]

Yes

[fringe sphinx]

This is a misperception among many people. We often simplify things and say: 'a degree opens doors', but there's many more benefits that are hard to explain. First; theory, history and abstract work is an important foundation: building this knowledge on your own sounds possible but is, in practical terms, going to end up with a lot of gaps. Second, you're still cooking: it seems like you know everything at this age and you can just pick things up, but the mental challenge of university courses is part of growing and valuable... like going to the gym, you get stronger in ways that are hard to precisely define in a short discord interaction. Third, part of Uni is growing socially: you'll discount this, but meeting, interacting, studying, living, joining clubs, discussing with people from diverse backgrounds is an important part of your growth.

[tribal falcon]

The only reason why I’m going to college is because it’s giving me many opportunities to better my social life

And make my life a lot more interesting busy and exciting not for the academics I don’t care about education frankly

[fringe sphinx]

There's a reason why a degree is a prerequisite to most SWE jobs: it's not just a piece of paper, there's a correlation with professional ability and success

[fringe sphinx]

What career do you want?

[tribal falcon]

What does swe mean

[fringe sphinx]

This is a programming discord channel, so we're talking about programming jobs.

[tribal falcon]

Idc about programming

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, then why are you asking in this server? This is Python discord

[tribal falcon]

Idk

[west fractal]

what you care about then

[grave maple]

I just got a part time job with an average work load of about 22 hrs / week
How sustainable is this? I'm a freshman so i don't know how hard it would be

[west fractal]

nice

what work will you be doing

[grave maple]

it would be like mentoring

it's for an english center

[west fractal]

ohh

goodluck, i would say to get a tech job rather

[grave maple]

yeah that's for later though, it's tough getting an internship when you don't really know coding yet lol

[regal axle]

Depends on how many credit hours you are doing. But this is very manageable. Would be better if you already did your first year. That way you can have a better understanding of school workload and balance

[grave maple]

im plannin to do that though but i was thinking doing this for extra income in my freshman year

[grave maple]

what are credit hours

[proud glacier]

how many class hours you have, basically

most universities operate on the principle that a course which has N credits has N hours of lectures each week

[grave maple]

is this what you're talking about?

[peak halo]

so it's basically 138 hours of lecture per week, but spread out over 8 semesters

[proud glacier]

kinda
that is the same concept of credits, but you want to know how many credits you have to do this semester, not overall

[grave maple]

i have no clue where to check them

[proud glacier]

you know how many hours of classes you have each week, right?

that's all we're talking about

[grave maple]

for now no, my school start 22nd of this month

like the semester doesn't start until then, and i don't see any timetable yet

[proud glacier]

I see
do you know which courses you're required to do in your first semester?

[peak halo]

@grave maple I recommend you make a diagram of all your courses like this, where each course points to the ones that require it. that will make it easier for you to figure out the order you need to take them

[west fractal]

when will you learn it

i'll go MIT one day

i want to install linux on my macos , should i do it?

[grave maple]

I will now? lol, my major teaches it

[peak halo]

macos is the os, so you can't install linux on it. it might be possible to install linux on a mac, but I think apple locks that shit down.

[west fractal]

if that's the case then windows is also a os

[peak halo]

yes, it is.

[west fractal]

but you install linux on it

[proud glacier]

you don't
you install Linux alongside Windows, as a separate OS, divided by partitions or physical disks

[peak halo]

you don't

[west fractal]

then what you do?

[proud glacier]

(maybe you're referring to WSL? that's more like an integrated VM)

[peak halo]

it seems we're no longer talking about careers; this can continue in #unix

[west fractal]

dual boot?

[grave maple]

I think this this for the class enrolled last year, so i think the same or similiar would be applied to mine

[grave maple]

I think first semester, the compulsory ones are these?

[proud glacier]

16 courses in one semester?

[grave maple]

okay wait there's something wrong

[grave maple]

how can I check this without a timetable

[proud glacier]

ask your seniors, I suppose

[outer vessel]

is python useful in blockchain?

[grave maple]

so i asked

and they said
Programming Fundamentals
Introduction to the Major
Discrete Mathematics
Calculus I
are the courses

[peak halo]

you could implement a blockchain in python. setting aside that mining crypto is a bad idea, it would be an especially bad idea to do it with python, since higher performance increases your chances of winning.
but also, don't get involved in blockchain or crypto.

[outer vessel]

I thought blockchain was the future

[ashen nova]

yall should i try to go to college for computer science or join the marine corps

[peak halo]

scammers/grifters want you to think that.

[peak halo]

is joining the military the only way you'd be able to afford a degree?

[outer vessel]

is decentralisation useful/good?

[ashen nova]

no, i free lance rn for editing and coding and i have job offers in other places but im only 13 so i cant take it

[peak halo]

there are arguments for and against, but even if you agree in principal that there should be a currency that isn't controlled by a government/country/state, most of the cryptocurrencies that exist were created just to trick people into spending "real money" (US dollars, euros, etc.) to get them, with no expectation that they'd actually be used to exchange goods and services.

[outer vessel]

do you have any business ideas?

[peak halo]

No, I have a full-time job that pays well enough.

||so I spend the rest of my time on this Discord||

[outer vessel]

makes sense
but richer is always better

[peak halo]

not necessarily. you get a limited amount of time under the sun. if you spend all your time trying to get more and more money, and therefore necessarily spend less time enjoying it, that's a net loss for your life.

[outer vessel]

if you build a business

you can delink time and money

you can make exponentially more money working lesser

[peak halo]

why are you putting a bunch of extra blank lines in what you're saying?
starting a business requires tons of your time up-front and has a relatively high chance of failure. I'll stick to my current gig where I get 401k matching and healthcare.

[outer vessel]

but if you are 17 you can afford to fail
and if it doesnt work out, then jyst join a job

[peak halo]

I'm 30 and I have a mortgage.

[outer vessel]

makes sense
I am 17, applying to uni

[jagged brook]

who can check the program?

[peak halo]

you can ask for help in #1035199133436354600 by making a new thread

[jagged brook]

what?

[peak halo]

you are asking for help, right?

[jagged brook]

no i want someone to check my program

[peak halo]

you can use #1035199133436354600 for that, too.

[jagged brook]

ok

[vapid jay]

No, not really.

[vapid jay]

Don't quit Uni, maybe take a gap year to find out what you want to do but don't quit it.

What billy suggested whereby a degree is important. A-lot of jobs require a minimum of a BEng degree.

[west fractal]

hell

this is why i don't like university, idiots teaching chemistry to CS graduates

[peak halo]

@ocean sinew this isn't a meme/shitposting server, so I removed your message

[frank dew]

Excited to have started a course on Python to get my career started! I’m using boot.dev to learn the fundamentals while simultaneously tackling the coursera IT course. Waiting to see if I can get enough knowledge and experience under my belt this next year to hopefully start a career in the industry, if not I’ll look around for CS classes for an associates. Does anyone have experience getting into the career field without a degree of some kind?

Or can determination and experience alone be enough to land a job eventually?

[west fractal]

don't do coursera

[wraith harbor]

I have colleagues without degrees. It's a lot harder to get your first job, you need some really compelling projects on your resume and it will definitely take you longer

[jagged brook]

im made a chat

[frank dew]

Why not?

[frank dew]

Yeah, the thing is I have a full time job and a kid on the way, I’m debating whether or not to try classes at my local community college but that’s a lot at once, I could do it though

[west fractal]

it's not good

[frank dew]

Are there any alternatives you’d suggest?

[west fractal]

read books

think python

3rd edition

[frank dew]

I’ll definitely look into that one, but the coursera was for the google IT support certificate, not Python

[summer roost]

This violates rule 6 and rule 9. Please delete this message, @spice fossil

[still condor]

!cleanban @spice fossil Advertising a bundle of programming courses for sale

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @spice fossil permanently.

[tired axle]

I'm in CS world for a few years and I lost my path trying to learn things. Now i feel like i dont know coding and also anything at all. Can anybody help me to fix my mind and kinda help me a bit on path into AI engineering from zero. Maybe I can start from python again, i dont even know how to build a portfolio because i dont have any ideas at all and I'm kinda stuck in tutorial hell.

[fast fossil]

Well, the typical advice is that you should go for a degree in CS, going to university can give you a bit of a boost in motivation by somewhat forcing you to learn stuff and such, also helps you make new connections and expand your network which helps immensely when looking for jobs and such

[drowsy hull]

French = DM / Français = DM

[fast fossil]

what are you trying to do?
most importantly, why did you decide to post that in this channel in particular?

[still condor]

Presumably a death match with the French. That can definitely be part of your career

[tranquil canyon]

do yall put your github links on your resume? or like does anyone ask to see your code?

like in an interview?

[near ocean]

i have a link
no one has asked to see my code

[west fractal]

I think you never knew the path and weren't serious about it that's why you lost it

Otherwise it would have never happened

I will say to take a break for few days and decide or make your plan

Then start working hard and always take break when necessary to make the process sustainable

like I'm doing 16 hours DSA coding + 2 hours development daily

Similarly you can choose your own path and fine tune it as per needs and goals

Okay I'm sleeping now

Bye, take care.

[tranquil canyon]

like never ever? did they like asked if they could try it out or something?

[finite crag]

Claude sucks compared to codex

[near ocean]

No, one place asked about the project, what it does, what I used etc, but not to see the code

[regal axle]

Only ever high level conversations. Never had anyone want to actually see code.
Although, after you have gotten passed the filter round(s), your resume might be passed around and some bored people might look at the links. That is about the only time they get looked at. Not like they typically come up in the interview.
Although, to be fair, my links are not pointing to anything exceiting.

[sand patio]

do yall typically have a "brief" section on your resume?

e.g an introduction type thing'

my first career fair's tomorrow, so I figured it's about time I properly set up a resume

I'll send it here in a bit for feedback 👀

[fleet reef]

The night before?
Is this how you do all your homework?

[sand patio]

it's fiiine

[fleet reef]

My dad hyped it up a lot and said it was big important
But no one else even mentions it
I don't see them very often, at least not more than a sentence or two

[peak halo]

Is that the same thing as an objective statement?

[sand patio]

yeah kind of

[regal axle]

I personally don't. Have had good success so far

[sand patio]

yeah im leaning towards leaving it out

[fringe sphinx]

If it doesn't convey new information, leave it out.

[sand patio]

gotcha

what about a list of skills?

[peak halo]

An objective statement is potentially useful at a university career fair where some students are looking for internships, some are looking for full time employment after graduation, etc., and they need to keep track of which resume is for what kind of position.

[peak halo]

But this.

[fringe sphinx]

Preferably, these skills are already covered in your experience or project bullets

[sand patio]

makes sense

maybe if i need to make it seem more full

[fringe sphinx]

We don't allow recruiting, see #rules Your post has been removed

[sand patio]

although that might not be a great mindset

[fringe sphinx]

The most important thing on your resume is the first bullet of your most recent experience

[sand patio]

I see, that makes sense

[vapid jay]

yo! i love turning ideas into reality. coding is my playground for creativity and problem solving. i enjoy taking projects from concept all the way to launch, and i’m always exploring new tech and frameworks along the way. excited to connect, collaborate, and see what everyone here is building. if you’d like to team up or chat, feel free to reach out!

[peak halo]

!ban 1411353776534851704 only here to ask for jobs

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @robust grail permanently.

[peak halo]

I guess that message was slightly less job-asky than the previous one.

[sand patio]

what would I do at this career fair? do I need an elevator pitch? some people are going on about that here

[peak halo]

Pretty much. You're very unlikely to get a job or anything at this career fair as a first semester freshman. This is just practice.

[fringe sphinx]

For a career fair, it's not really a "pitch", but you should have a succinct answer to: "Tell me about yourself".

Or "Why did you major in CS?"

Which, by the way, are things you can and should practice. I have to practice them, as I stumble on trying to define myself to different audiences.

[sand patio]

I see

makes sense

[formal ermine]

Hey hii guys any interested to communicate and learn new technologies i need help in typscript and aws node js frontend react

[willow trout]

Welcome

[wise raft]

Hi guys

I am a freshman in High School, I know basic Python and have done a course on it. I also learnt how to make basic classifier and linear regression models a while back! Could any of y'all recommend a good course for ML using python. I wanted one that could allow me to get a certificate that I can add to my portfolio. (Please keep in mind, I am just in HS and not very very experienced with python)

[tired axle]

im already in CS now starting 3rd year

[smoky quest]

what makes you think or come to the conclusion you don't know coding while being in your 3rd year?
What has happened to the first 2 years?

[tired axle]

i dont know, fell in too much ai i guess or jumping back an forth between new projects

[smoky quest]

I see. Don't even try to use AI when learning

[tired axle]

you can study anything again ofc but feeling more like a exhausted mind, too many options dont know what to stick with

everything is interesting yet time is scarce

[smoky quest]

Focus on the topics from school and to catch up on what you have missed on

[tired axle]

thats what will i do probably

the real issue is passion i guess

[stark canyon]

Didn't you just say everything is interesting?

[tired axle]

yeah but no continuity or persistance

when work shift is over my desire to learn extra just vanishes

[stark canyon]

That's a different issue from time being scarce.

[smoky quest]

unfortunately, not everything will be engaging and fun. And you will have to go through it nonetheless

[stark canyon]

Would you say you're completely drained by your work, unable to do almost anything at all, or do you just not feel motivated to do more work?

[tired axle]

both, the 9 - 5 job i've got into draines my energy and the repeating documenting stuff kill motivation (business intelligence in logistics, normally part time but idk I work full time for the money),
also now im starting in a big data company that will give me weekly jobs as a side job

maybe i should quit and only focus on personal work and school

[stark canyon]

Hold on. You're in third year of CS but also working a 9-5. It sounds to me like you're saying that you're reliant on your job for money, but it's also causing you to not take advantage of your studies because you've got too much on your plate from work. That sounds in a rough situation to be in, and my advice would be to think about what each of these things mean to you and try to find a way to get out of that situation in a way that makes you both able to get by and do what you want to do with your life.

Which is easier said than done, I admit. One suggestion might be, could you manage to reduce the amount of time you work in order to free up time and energy for studying? (Assuming studying CS is important to you on some level.)

[tired axle]

yeah you are right, all in one plate doesn't work mentally and causing a loop of FOMO. I should think about priorities indeed

[smoky quest]

it is a common issue for people trying to do both school and work. It is not easy

[stark canyon]

Another possible suggestion: If you're reliant on your work for money, could you pause your studies for some time to save up enough to support full-time studying later?

[tired axle]

I was working since end of 1st year, full time on summers part time on semesters. Kinda got used to it, my grades are good but I want to do extra for myself
maybe I can reduce work time and sacrifice a bit of financial freedom, pausing studies is not an option unfortunately

Thank you for clearing my mind

I do want to be a good engineer

[stark canyon]

I hope you succeed in your endeavors 😄 Good luck!

[tired axle]

Still unsure about the topic but AI seems fascinating, I need to gather my will and work.

[willow trout]

I agree! It is very interesting. Im so out of the loop with it all. I wish I was more math minded.

[earnest dirge]

Guys what freelance jobs can I land with python

[safe marsh]

i have a question, is there any point sending your CV to remote internship offers, which are getting thousands of CVs, or just focus on opportunities i got on site?

[near ocean]

on site are probably worth more
i cant imagine anybody caring about remote interns in the slightest

[kindred ivy]

what bachelor should I get to have a good high paying job. Like, what's the best bachelor that I should get

I'm going to be a college student soon and wanted to know what are the jobs that I can just make a script to run automatically and sleep on the job? I don't prefer this but wanted to know. I plan/dream on running my own company with my friends after I get a job that has a very long deadline and that I can do some side hustles(building my own thing)

[near ocean]

Is this a serious question? You're asking which jobs let you do nothing and just get paid? So that you can do other work?

[kindred ivy]

Just when I become a senior, I of course am passionate about programming

[near ocean]

It sure doesnt sound like it

[kindred ivy]

I'm passionate because of the money I'll make

I'm in poverty so idc really. I am already working in a restaurant paying below average 14hrs a day on weekends and vacations

[kindred ivy]

I just want an answer

[near ocean]

Basically any engineering degree can lead to a well paid career
Youre not going to find a job that pays and lets you sit on your ass

[kindred ivy]

Not Bachelor of Science in Computer Science?

[near ocean]

Yes that works too

A lot of degrees can lead to good careers

[kindred ivy]

But what would you think would have the highest pay on new graduate

[kindred ivy]

My parents and my money combined can only afford 1 I think. And I don't have time to get more than 1, we'll be homeless then

[near ocean]

Just pick one you like
I said "can", not will, the degree itself wont give you money

[analog sun]

Probably highest paid college degree is Petroleum Engineer or something like that. At least it was around a decade ago when I graduated

You could also go for a law degree and pass the BAR exam, lawyers make good money

Or a medical degree, but you have to sink 12 years into that first

[kindred ivy]

A big reason why I chose CS is because I'm an introvert. Medical Degree I'll drown in debt, idk what Petroleum Engineer is but I'll put that in my best paying job list

[near ocean]

Youre not getting away from people by hiding behind a screen

Possibly the biggest misconception about working as a software dev or even studying CS

Humans live in societies, the sooner you learn to deal with others the better for you and your career

[severe vault]

my dads in IT and hes been doing it since his late 20s. he went to university and got a masters. ive decided that i want to do IT as well as a career and hes always been slightly on the fence about supporting the idea. i went through my first year of college and starting my second year tomorrow and hes saying that i should possibly consider taking up a trade doing electricals or carpentry. is there something about IT thats so bad that im being recommended a career change by my own dad?

im passionate about IT and do enjoy it. im going to do it no matter what he says but its getting me worried of whats to come.

[analog sun]

Currently the market seems to be saturated, so there appears to be more people looking for a job in that space than jobs available. This is sorta true all across the board though, and varies on your specific location. Skilled trades people are always in demand, but they are also subject to the whims of the economy (if the economy is in a recession and people don't have spare savings, they likely aren't doing construction or new project builds)

[near ocean]

Theres a lot of competition in software development
But trades are really hard to start out in, you gotta apprentice, they pay you basically nothing, you work on site, etc

[analog sun]

Skilled trades is a viable option, but it is definitely something that you have to "pay your dues" before you get enough experience and can justify a higher hourly wage

[severe vault]

im up for the competition. im actively looking for work experience doing anything IT related, looking mainly for help desk because its very hands on and might look good on my CV. in this second year im going to keep my head down and properly learn all that the course provides and possibly learn some linux stuff in my own time.

[near ocean]

You say youre up for it now but this competition looks like a whole bunch of rejection emails day after day

[severe vault]

and im getting these emails
im still sending more

[severe vault]

i agree that trades are good money but its not something im passionate about. theres a couple people in my dad's team who have started working with the business as an apprentice and are in the same role my dad is in their early 20s. what matters more in IT, work experience or education?

[analog sun]

I'm not in a hiring position in IT, so I can't really say

But probably experience is a better indicator of someone's capabilities. In the case of education it would be projects / papers / internships

[severe vault]

alright. im going to continue but if he keeps mentioning trades im tempted to tell him to bugger off. not the first time hes done it.

[analog sun]

Sure, its up to you

[hollow hull]

rate my project

[inner wren]

Click here to see this code in our pastebin.

[analog sun]

!cleanban 1413475646960570580 some kind of scam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @somber flare permanently.

[outer vessel]

OMG

!cleanban brad90four

[molten spoke]

@cinder cave advertising is against rule 9 here, apologies

[rough cliff]

Yoooo anyone here?

[peak halo]

hello, just ask your question.

[rough cliff]

This might be off topic but is this good?

@peak halo hi hope you are having a good day

[peak halo]

congratulations on being master of the universe!
this is the career discussion channel, so please make sure all your messages are about that.

[rough cliff]

Ok my bad sorry

[vale nest]

Hello, I am looking forward to learning any coding language, modeling, building, anything just to make my own game. I just want the game to be really good in most aspects. Does anyone here have any experience

[fast fossil]

as far as I have heard, trades are the biggest scam out there

[true harness]

why?

[peak halo]

can you be more specific?

[cobalt abyss]

yo what is the best job in computer science feild

[cobalt abyss]

fr they are scams

[peak halo]

there isn't a single "best" one across all possible parameters.

can you explain what you mean without saying "scam"?

[cobalt abyss]

ok what is ur job rn

[peak halo]

AI scientist

[cobalt abyss]

nice whats ur pay

sorry if u cant answer that

[peak halo]

I started right around 100k, and that was four years ago.

[cobalt abyss]

now is gonna be way more than 100k

[peak halo]

Something like that.
Jobs in AI (where you're actually developing AI, not just making API calls to AI services) require a lot of education before you're ready for entry-level.

[cobalt abyss]

btw can u add me so if iam facing any problems u can help me

[peak halo]

No one in the staff here is on-call to answer questions. The best way to get help is to ask questions in the server to no one in particular.

[cobalt abyss]

oh ok thx for ur time

[fast fossil]

Fair, "trades" may have been way too general, I more so meant "trade schools"
See also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYJDBDZURro

[cobalt abyss]

ur the kindest person

i gtg cya

[peak halo]

is there a tldr for this?
my sister decided that she wanted to be a plumber, and she was hired directly into an apprenticeship program run by the company that she now works for. I'm not sure how common that is.

[near ocean]

arent apprenticeships the usual way to get into the trades?

[fast fossil]

Uhhh, basically don't go to a "trade school", but rather directly to an apprenticeship I think, that's basically what it seemed to boil down to me, and like allegedly the contractor would pay for any learning that needs to be done for qualifications or whatever

from 3:00 until like 6:00 is pretty much that
(3 minutes is a TL;DR, right? right?)

[near ocean]

Ok yea i get that, its like the bootcamp deal with software dev

[analog sun]

Thats a pretty good comparison

Its a bit fuzzy with licenses though. AFAIK software developers don't have licensing

[near ocean]

8000h as an apprentice is fucking rough tho

[vapid hull]

someone pls suggest me study material for intermediate and advanced python.

[analog sun]

Fluent Python is pretty great

[vapid hull]

i see , thx and also if you know suggest a YT channel for the same.

[analog sun]

For anything beyond a beginner level overview of something, I wouldn't recommend youtube

[vapid hull]

oh 😭 ok , ty for help though !!!

[sullen laurel]

https://github.com/firecold944

[snow thorn]

Hello, is there any channel to discuss AI?

[deft herald]

In whac context? I've seen it discussed in almost every channel here...

[peak halo]

#data-science-and-ml

[mossy helm]

this is a great suggestion - thanks

[fast fossil]

<@&831776746206265384>

[still condor]

well well well

[waxen hare]

In you guys's opinion if someones hiring for python interns in machine learning what's the skillset that their looking for
like sure theirs python and ur standrd ml libraries and whatnot but like is their anything else apart from that. Iev been internship hunting and iam just getting ignored so i was wondering if iam missing anything

[smoky quest]

Am looking for neither. I am looking for 👏 demonstrated 👏 skills 👏 related to ML. So that means ML education, projects, etc.
Libraries or languages are just tools, means to an end. As such I care more about the end than the means

[bleak robin]

hi

message

[waxen hare]

ok so basically whattever is in the skills section make a project out of it and put it on the resume?

[smoky quest]

no, it means that as reader, I want to build the confidence you know about ML (the math, the techniques, etc.). Having that demonstrated as how you applied them in a project is the usual way to go

[waxen hare]

so the "if you havent built a project on it it doesnt count"

[smoky quest]

not necessarily

[waxen hare]

ok now iam confused

[smoky quest]

you are not strictly incorrect, but you are taking some pretty big shortcuts

[waxen hare]

could you elaborate a bit more

[smoky quest]

let's do something even simpler: why don't you post an anonymized version of your resume so we can review it and give you direct feedback?

[waxen hare]

ok do i send it here or in dm's? and does a png work?

[rocky igloo]

Yo guys I'm looking for deweloper

[smoky quest]

here is great!

[rocky igloo]

AI dev

[waxen hare]

png works?

[rocky igloo]

png?

[waxen hare]

i was asking recursive

[rocky igloo]

Look I've got an idea for produkt and I need to ask few questions so, anyone maybe gonna have few minuts for it

[smoky quest]

sure

[rocky igloo]

Okey so dm?

[smoky quest]

no just here

[waxen hare]

here we go

[rocky igloo]

where i can get a co founder to my startup guys?

[smoky quest]

This server does not allow hiring

[rocky igloo]

a okey where i should go?

[smoky quest]

no idea, but somewhere that isn't here

I would also discourage to look for cofounder in random internet forums. You should rather look in local meetups or your professional network

[dry bridge]

Just a quick question that also might help give context, do you have a portfolio or any kind of project showcases? Not always necessary but those might also help recursive_error with trying to explain because those are what you use for demonstrating skill a lot of the times outside of interviews and stuff.

[smoky quest]

It sounds like you have some cool stuff to talk about!

Some notes:

• Show, don't tell. Don't just tell me you built a pose estimation module, show me how by also including the cool or interesting or difficult parts and help me quantify its scale and impact
• Imagine the reader is another teacher or technical friend to whom you want to brag about the cool stuff you did
• Links to projects on github can be useful. You should not expect to be read or checked out, but it wouldn't hurt

[waxen hare]

my linkdin and github are hyperlinked at the top

[smoky quest]

Don't expect anyone to dig in there to figure out where are the projects you mention.
Rule of thumb is your resume as 30-45s to convince the reader you should not be rejected. So make it easy for the reader to get the most relevant information quickly

[waxen hare]

well iam working on my portfolio site should have it done as soon as iam done with my exams ill put it up their with my git

[waxen hare]

ok so when you say show dont tell how much detail do i need to get into

cuz arnt resumes like supposed to be 1 page tops

[smoky quest]

You could look at the STAR method for inspiration.
There is no detail police either. So you should put as much as it makes sense to do so.

And yes, your resume must be under one page

[fringe iris]

Chat I'm 17, I only know basics I got alot of free time I wanna be able to go abroad for university by funding it myself WILL I BE ABLE TO LAND A JOB in year or 2

[smoky quest]

it depends on the job

[waxen hare]

ok so if i take say the snake game project what kind of details do i add to it

[fringe iris]

what should I learn

Data Science?

[smoky quest]

it depends on the job you want to do

[smoky quest]

What was difficult or interesting there?
Reading as is, it makes it sound as if you just plugged a standard algo and that was it

[fringe iris]

I'm lost, I just had a hour long chat with chat gpt

[waxen hare]

so what issues i ran into what i did to solve them?

[smoky quest]

Sure. And if you had any cool twist to the algo or its scale

[smoky quest]

In terms of tech career, a degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[waxen hare]

oh ok that way i think i get it, i have clg now can i ping u towards the evening with an updated version?

or dm it to you whatever works

[smoky quest]

sure, just ping here. Others can review too. Also look up the STAR method

[fringe iris]

I wanna be able to make some project on my own to showcase it, but what project I do not know I learned Abit of Tkinter but I asked myself do I need it if I'm trying to do Data Science/ ML

[waxen hare]

ill do that thanks a bunch

[smoky quest]

DS/ML would typically require a masters degree

[waxen hare]

wait what

[fringe iris]

I wanna earn from like internship or something like that

[smoky quest]

I would suggest to focus on the career first. You don't want to fall in the "penny wise, pounds foolish"

[fringe iris]

I would have to learn at some point tho

I will indeed get a degree, but I wanna be able to make something which will help me

[smoky quest]

indeed and they are orthogonal problems

[fringe iris]

What do I do

[smoky quest]

you are more likely to find a student job than someone willing to pay you like that.
It's still good to learn about programming anyway

[fringe iris]

That's my goal, to work and intern with small local businesses, but what do I do should I get started with Pandas Numpy and learn Data Science

[smoky quest]

do you want your career to be in data science after you graduate?

[fringe iris]

As for now yes

[smoky quest]

then you could look at the resources pinned in #data-science-and-ml

[fringe iris]

Thank you

[open ivy]

LinkedIn doesn't care about giving everyone their fair share of attention. Which is why they keep telling me to follow famous CEOs instead of obscure hidden gems.

I would gladly pay 30/month premium price on social media that actually makes things fair rather than algorithms that create 0.9+ Gini indexes.

So, shut up and take my money and I will earn it back many times over through the better networking and exposure opportunities a fairer algorithm creates.

Or if it doesn't exist I should create one and get 60k/yr CEO salary for this startup idea from VC money.

Either way it is a living...

[open ivy]

Why do so many people ask technical stuff here? This channel is much more social and communication as it is about convincing a human to get a job.

[rose robin]

Sorry I will delete it in a moment

[violet osprey]

Hey everyone.
I wanted to know I code in my free time and I really appreciate it but I would like to follow a better approach than just hand crafting everything. I did the Python 4 Everybody certification on Coursera and the IBM Data Science Professional certificate. And I was thinking of going one step further what would you guys recommend ? I saw the Microsoft Python Development Professional Certificate is it good ?

[nocturne harbor]

!warn 1414175585852325949 Recruiting is not allowed on this server.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @coarse cipher.

[near ocean]

Why isn't it already fair? Big names attract more engagement so they're pushed more by the algorithm, sounds fair
Also this isnt really careers related, nobody in the history of employment got their job because of linkedin posting

[steel umbra]

Is it worth learning to code nowadays?

[near ocean]

Yes, you dont need to make a career out of it

[steel umbra]

What if we want to earn from it?

[trim crypt]

Make something, and sell it. Apps, plugins, some automation service, etc.

[near ocean]

then go through the usual route, degree, internships, job

[ashen vortex]

whats the idea dude
mind sharing?

[graceful sparrow]

Hey guys. So I'm a 12th grade student in germany and I would like to start a dual study program in computer science next year. The problem is that there isnt much time left for applications and I didnt get any approvals from the companies, i applied for. I don't know what to do. I keep trying to send more applications but they wont answer. Well two of them declined me. I don't know what to do

[graceful sparrow]

So if no company wants me I have to sit around for one year and try to apply again for the year 2027 which i dont want. I want to start studying in fall 2026 since I will graduate from school in summer 2026

[steel umbra]

How much time left?

[steel umbra]

Aren't the new guys getting cooked nowadays?

[graceful sparrow]

Until mid october

[graceful sparrow]

It might sound much. But so many companies dont accept anymore applications

[steel umbra]

When you say companies, do you mean universities?

@graceful sparrow

[steel umbra]

What I'm basically trying to say is that after covid when companies tried to trim down and started firing a lot of their staff and chatgpt made its debut, the markets been pretty tough especially for interns since when the experts with 20 YOE etc got let go, they might be competing for jobs that new guys go for

Someone correct me if what I said about the layoffs and market etc isn't right

[near ocean]

yea the market is rough now, but who knows in 4 years how things will be

it certainly wasnt like this 4 years ago, it'd be silly to think it'd be like this 4 years from now

[steel umbra]

@near ocean what domains are lucrative nowadays? (web dev, game dev, ML etc) and what are people normally getting paid these days?

[near ocean]

all of these are good careers and pay much more than the average wage

[west fractal]

I'm doing 16 hours DSA daily in a hope to be able to crack faang interviews at the end of 2025. Is it right?

[near ocean]

🤷‍♀️ have you cracked faang interviews yet?
Maybe you need 17 hours daily

[west fractal]

No

I started preparing few days ago

[near ocean]

Do you even get invited to faang interviews?

[west fractal]

I'm a beginner man

[near ocean]

Possibly 18 hours daily

[west fractal]

No one is inviting me when I can't even write for loop to print star patterns

[near ocean]

Youre doing 16 straight hours of DSA and still printing star patterns and failing?
Should definitely up that to 19h daily

[west fractal]

I'm learning c++

I started few days ago, I already said I'm a beginner

[noble locust]

I am coding in python as a hobbie

[near ocean]

How long do you think you'll last doing 16h a day before deciding on something more sane?

[noble locust]

I work with abap

[fringe sphinx]

I think you keep asking the wrong questions. Don't spend so much time thinking about the destination. Spend more time on today - learning and doing.

[west fractal]

I have decided it for 4 months atleast

I'll be doing till I don't reach grandmaster on codeforces and that can take somewhere close to 1 year with 16 hours practice

And ofcourse I take breaks like 1 day off when needed to recover from burnout

[west fractal]

Okay

❤️ ❤️

[visual flax]

Is it valuable to learn ROS and wrestle with the documentation

[graceful sparrow]

Well i mean colleges which have some collaborations with companies. For example in the first semester you're in the college and the second semester in the company. During the whole study you get paid. And when you get ur bachelor you can start working in the company or u search for another company. That's what we call dual study

[west fractal]

Which university are you from?

[graceful sparrow]

None. I'm searching for a company which does collaborations with colleges. So basically dual study

[west fractal]

There's internship in university

[steel umbra]

But can they potentially get you a pay of 10 or 20k usd?

[west fractal]

What you are talking of is for people who have very high experience in industry and they do both university and job

Idk if any such thing what you are talking of exists

If it exists then that would be soo cool and shows that world is changing

I also hate going to university

I could do much better without going to university since the education has become online and accessible to everyone

So now it's no more about going to a good university then only you can learn things

[steel umbra]

@graceful sparrow Can you give me a quick idea of what the requirements are, who you're sending the application to etc?

Like are you only required to send applications to the company, not the college? and if they accept then you can start a dual degree?

[graceful sparrow]

Nah ofc it exists. It a very common thing in germany

[west fractal]

Even in top german universities?

Like Technical university of Munich

[graceful sparrow]

Well for example the company bmw does some collaborations with colleges. So u apply for a dual study so u can work, study and get paid at the same time. As in dual study you don't have semester holidays. It like a full time job.

[steel umbra]

I get that but what's the application process like?

[graceful sparrow]

Yep

[graceful sparrow]

Just ur your school certificate and CV

[steel umbra]

Have you applied to any colleges for just the degree?

And are you deadset on a dual degree and are willing to wait a year incase you don't get it this time?

[graceful sparrow]

No I don't think so. But I'm sure you can still do some internships

[graceful sparrow]

That's the problem. I really want to start next year and not in 2027. So I really hope that they will accept me

[steel umbra]

Is a transfer from a regular degree to a dual degree possible in the middle?

by middle I mean while your studying for the regular degree, is it possible to switch to a dual one?

[graceful sparrow]

Uuff I'm not sure but I don't think that's possible. It's even hard to transfer for a dual degree to another dual degree. Since they pay most of ur tuition fees

But the problem is that there is too much demand and too little supply since companies can't just accept as much students as normal universities

[steel umbra]

So would you wait a year to try again or do you not want to spend a year on this?

[graceful sparrow]

Well if everything goes wrong and I won't get accepted then I think I'll wait for a year. Since normal Universities are so boring and "dry"

My mom tells me to wait for a year since I just turned 17 in June. She says I'm too young and that I could just sit at home for a year and do some usefull stuff. But I was against that all the time. Well ig she'll get what she wanted lol

[steel umbra]

Try to apply to as many companies as you can

incase you don't get in this time, try to see what kind of students the companies are accepting, what they bring to the table and the ideal candidate they're looking for

then in this one year try to become as close as possible to that ideal candidate

You said time is short for this year so... idk what game plan to bring for that

gtg, I'll be back soon 👍

[graceful sparrow]

Yep my sister also does dual study in Siemens and I applied there as well. But they didn't want me lol. I mean my grades aren't bad to be honest and I have experience in programming and doing some hardware stuff. I'm actually their ideal student and I bring a lot to the table. But yeah they didn't want me

[graceful sparrow]

Sure bye

[regal vine]

il ya des français ??

[tame fjord]

do yall think the acceleration of ai should deter someone from startng a computer science degree

@peak halo y tho

[peak halo]

we get this question a few times a day, every day. I'm in a meeting right now, but you can scroll up in this channel and find different answers.

[tame fjord]

aiii

[tame fjord]

i looked thru and even searched terms in the channel and maybe im just slow but i see people tryna get into ai but no one asking about the concerns, idk what id wanna do in comp sci yet but i just enjoy programming, id enjoy hearing anybodys opinions on how they feel about the way it will impact the market realistically and if the degree is worth investing money into

[sturdy bronze]

did the invention of the spreadsheet app deter people from pursuing accounting and finance degrees 🙂 yes, AI will change stuff, but it won't go away for sure.

Excel is the most used programming language 🚀

speaking of which... claude can now generate xls files for you 😄

[tame fjord]

honestly fair

[wraith harbor]

Any junior developer who didn't vibe code their way through college should be capable of doing more than AI, and AI has shown little progress of getting better at doing complicated tasks on its own

[tame fjord]

whos to say that its always gonna be like that tho

we dont know the behind the scenes of the development of ai

[sturdy bronze]

I had a professor that would detect cheating this way. He would delete a random 10-line snippet and ask you to write it again. Instant vibe code killer 😄 😄

it would be nice if we started seeing more AI classes in college curricula though. and I mean not only LLM crap, classic ML and neural nets for example.

[wraith harbor]

My point is there is no reason to think it will get better. Sure it's gotten better at "make me tic tac toe", but AI models completely collapse when the task gets complicated enough, and that threshold has not moved much if at all over the last 5 years

[tame fjord]

arent there robots that now that can complete tasks humans can do in simpler jobs rn

if theres robots that can for lack of better terms "think for themselves" whos to say that they wouldnt start programming themselves

LMFAOOOOOOO

real

[deft herald]

Just have a kid instead

[tame fjord]

calling cps rn

[deft herald]

lol. 🤷‍♂️ My kids do laundry...albeit poorly

[sturdy bronze]

I was gonna say the same. My kids' laundry and cooking need improvement too

[deft herald]

It's a long term play

[tame fjord]

next stop a 2 story 3 bedroom house

[steel umbra]

No way you actually believe that

Not all colleges are the same, my college made me write basic C++ code on paper for my exams

There was a group project where we had to make a website, we left it all to one dude who later explained the code to us on the final day so that we could do the viva

They spent an entire semester teaching us ms word, power point and excel

[balmy mural]

I agree that college is priceless. I would not be where I am today without it, and I didn't go to any fancy top of the line university

[steel umbra]

Took 4 or so months to teach some C++ and java that could’ve been done in one or so week each

[steel umbra]

Ok

[tropic atlas]

hello i am a beginner in python can someone help me

[balmy mural]

University is what you make of it. If you just coast it, it won't mean much. If you delve deep into all the topics also taught in class, make use of the extra resources given to you, network, it'll be priceless

[tropic atlas]

tell me one thing why i cant see template option in replate idk whats wrong with app there is only chat option

[steel umbra]

So you learned outside of uni?

But doesn’t that count as time spent learning outside of college?

Yea that’s why I’m doing it too

But like… I don’t think you necessarily will learn something from it

Maybe you might depending on your university but I haven’t learned anything I can use on the job yet, even my professor said that

[steel umbra]

Did you compare yourself with the students they accepted? And what about in comparison with your sister?

[worldly bloom]

Guys, I don't think I would land a job if I depend on my college. I know I should rather learn by myself, but the thing is, my family expects me to take AIML, because my uncle is in a big company and he also recommended this.

And as for my interest, I just like programming in general, (not any particular field). But I don't like Maths (I am not bad at it tho) and I have heard the coding part is less in ML, so I don't feel any interest towards it.

What should I do? My tier 3 college is not as I thought it would be.

[regal axle]

Yea, “real” ML is all math. I say real because some ML/AI jobs are about connecting wires. You are not making anything new. Just using existing tech.

IMO, learn to program. And not focused on ML. You will get further if you actually care about what you are working on. I mean, passion doesn’t drive you forever though. So regardless, you will need to learn methods of discipline to get things done in your chosen space.

[worldly bloom]

So you mean explore different areas even if I wanna settle with ML at last?

[regal axle]

Yea. I would say. There are tons of high quality, free resources.
But do note that higher level ML/AI jobs do require higher schooling. Idk what country you are in. In the states, it would be either a masters or a phd.

[smoky quest]

There are two main things to account for:

• People will seldom read textbooks outside of college
• It is extremely difficult to demonstrate you have acquired equivalent skills in the short amount of time your resume will be reviewed

[worldly bloom]

India and our education system is

[strong marsh]

Hello everyone, I'm SysRedux!
I am a software dev and I want to expand my network & meet fellow devs to have conversations with!
If you're interested, please, hmu!!

[deft herald]

Well i mean, this is literally a place where fellow devs have conversations

[strong marsh]

That's perfect! I'm new to the social aspect of development so I just wanted to say that I'm open to communication & contributing

[smoky quest]

I believe they were referring to the simpler jobs where you just call some ready made APIs that abstract away all the difficult problems. This is typically done by lower skilled employees and prioritize throughput over expertise.
Which is quite different from the level of expertise and math required when solving problems themselves

[smoky quest]

it's really not a debate.
There are jobs that call for one and jobs that call for the other.

you do not see the difference between either of #career-advice message and calling :

from openai import OpenAI
client = OpenAI()

response = client.responses.create(
    model="gpt-5",
    input="Write a one-sentence bedtime story about a unicorn."
)
```?

then your level of abstraction is flawed

a level of abstraction is supposed to abstract you away, with the intent to make it easier for you. If your abstraction is making the problem more complex than without that level of abstraction then it would make sense to forego that level of abstraction

And in this case, I am surprised you are stating these two examples do not have any difference in complexity and requirement to use. The first one would require someone with deep expertise to even know what is a transformer, while the other is just a simple api/http call away without any of the technical baggage of AI

none of this is related to the current discussion though

let's try one last time:

• There are jobs that have to deal with complex problems, such as training your own transformer, using graph based approaches and implementing your own guard rails and reasoning. For these jobs, you hire highly skilled people (ex: masters degree)
• There are jobs where you just need to call openai API and if you want guard rails and reasoning, you will wait for openai to provide that API or use another provider (ex: gemini, aws, etc.). Or even use a nocode solution like n8n. And yes, that means you are limited in terms of what you can do. For these jobs, you hire cheap low skilled people (ex: bootcamp)

There are many jobs, many companies and many needs. So both of these exist at the same time.

sure, I don't think anyone meant to say the nocode/wiring people don't build anything. They do build something new and of value, and often quite complex behaviors.
But the technical difficulty itself will not be on par with the people that have to deal with technically challenging problems.

And if you were to hire highly technical people for the simple jobs, they would not only be under paid but also super bored. Which often frequently result in them not joining or just leaving for a more interesting job

[unborn turret]

Hey folks, I’m working on a project that involves heavy math + Python (think linear algebra, probability, and algorithm optimization). Looking for someone who’s strong in both math and Python (NumPy / SciPy / SymPy / PyTorch etc.) to collaborate with me.

Remote, flexible terms — could be freelance or ongoing collab.
DM me if interested and share a bit about your background + GitHub/portfolio!

[kindred oyster]

this is a server to help you learn python , not for hiring someone

[tepid pecan]

Sorry I couldnt find any data analyst chaneel thats why posting it here

how much python is need for data analyst after basics should I straight jump to libaries like numpy , pandas, matplotlib and seaborn

or any suggestions to guys have please let me know

[graceful sparrow]

Yeah. Well my sister went to a vocational high school (like a technical school and they learned much more about IT etc.) and I visit a normal school (we only have one IT subject and that's it. It's like more generalized yk

[haughty dagger]

yo

i have a folder with a python file and other files (sound e.g.)

how do i get a perma link from this folder?

sorry wrong channel

[wheat hearth]

such a good bio uk like it

[fading plank]

my first code if you wanna call it that
0 tutorials
0 knowledge

can i work at google now?

[near ocean]

This isnt a shitposting channel

[white relic]

@vapid sparrow Hi, this is the Python server. In this channel we talk about career advice and discuss Python in professional settings.

[gentle remnant]

hi, im studying mathematics b.sc and i dont know what i can do with my little to none python knowledge and where to go with it. Any ideas or past experiences? Im currently in my 2nd semester soon 3rd

[vapid jay]

print("hello")

[deft herald]

What do you want to do? Do you want to study programming or math?

[dense sequoia]

Is anyone there?

[peak halo]

Hello, always just ask your question.

[vapid jay]

Woah

[zenith flare]

Hi, I study Photography and Python for Gcse. I want to make a game where you take pictures of things like little bugs and other cool stuff. I would like to make alot of assets pictures I take in real life. Is this a good idea?

[near ocean]

What on earth is an LLM trainer

[peak halo]

@dull tulip your message was removed for advertizing.

[smoky quest]

How do you measure a good idea?

[zenith flare]

Fun levels.

[smoky quest]

fun for whom: you or users?

[zenith flare]

Players. I was thinking this game to be like content warning but without the fear factor and the rather things you take photos of the more money you get.

[languid moat]

Charlie Kirk got shot 🙏 🙏

[smoky quest]

how does that impact careers?

[languid moat]

Idk rlly just wanted to say

[smoky quest]

I mean, it can be fun, but the best action is to validate it with a test or minimum product

[smoky quest]

why in #career-advice though?

[languid moat]

Couldn’t find general

[zenith flare]

Ok! Thanks!

[deft herald]

!ot

[inner wren]

Off-topic channel

#ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

Please read our off-topic etiquette before participating in conversations.

[vapid jay]

IIIII iiiiiiiiiiii

[still gust]

hey, i am really a beginner in python. and i want to make some projects for my github. what should i make first ❓

[fringe sphinx]

Ask in #python-discussion plz!

[vapid jay]

@dull patrol yo dude, what are you planning on doing with python? [if anyone is curious why i joined just to ping someone, this is someone i know, and is very close to me]

[dull patrol]

I plan to use python to make potential projects. Earlier this week I was conceptualizng about making a turn based code. Kind of like a final fantasy or Pokémon based turn system.

[steel umbra]

Any more differences? and what about in comparison to other students?

[left blade]

Technologia

[graceful sparrow]

Nah not really any more differences. I'll just keep applying idk

[steel umbra]

•_•

[lilac sundial]

They have actual languages where u can do stuff like this and be a fun little idiot, look up brainf**k

[lost walrus]

Spamming several servers, why?

[west fractal]

mind your own business

i asked only in two servers

[kindred oyster]

but what exactly is your question ?

we are just looking at a random chatgpt screenshot, dont know what the question is

[white relic]

this channel is for career advice and discussion

[west fractal]

i mean DSA is important, right?

[kindred oyster]

I think you know the answer to that yourself after so many hours of "dsa is very important " discussions you have had

[near ocean]

The 16h on DSA guy? Or was that another person?
How is studying going for you? Got any callbacks?

[regal axle]

So,,, I know that most companies don't like to give out reasons for rejections. But would it be bad to ask for (or more like, do you think I would get a response) some insight into why they didn't go with me. I spent about 10 hours with this company. So, you know, feeback would be nice. And they def would have feedback ,,, or would they not want to share due to liability?

[kindred oyster]

never hurts to ask

[west fractal]

from where?

[west fractal]

i'm leaving DSA

I don't want to be grandmaster anymore

[kindred oyster]

after 8 hours of daily DSA and other hours spent in worshipping DSA ? 💀

[west fractal]

no

i mean i'm doing 12-16 hours daily

and that's a overkill. I saw a video on youtube where meta engineers told that it's a overkill

[kindred oyster]

welcome to what people have been telling you from day 1

[west fractal]

being good at DSA is nice and important but like grandmaster and then legendary grandmaster is just overkill

[pine sleet]

that many hours of straight studying anything will not be effective

[kindred oyster]

#python-discussion message
#python-discussion message
#python-discussion message
#python-discussion message
#python-discussion message

but....

[west fractal]

and spending 12 hours daily doing that and not learning real world engineering to be able to make softwares , products and like amazing open source contribution is bad

[west fractal]

i mean i still be doing 8 hours till the time i don't become atleast good to be able to crack DSA rounds

after that i might slow down

[kindred oyster]

overworking yourself doesnt gurantee outstanding results

you can overwork yourself and get bad results too

instead do realistic but consistent work and get guranteed results

[near ocean]

Anywhere, are you applying to jobs?

[west fractal]

right now i'm thinking to do 8 hours DSA + 10 hours development. Is it good since I have to get prepared for google coding rounds in 6 months? Or should i reduce DSA time even more

[kindred oyster]

18 hours of studying per day

yep , thats a fantastic recipe for disaster

[west fractal]

i study 18 hours

when i get job, i might reduce it to 12 since i have to do 6 hours of work

[vital bloom]

GM all

[near ocean]

Why stay at 18 hours? Go further

[west fractal]

no i mean i'm able to work 18 hours but i was just asking about whether i should reduce my DSA time even further?

[west fractal]

no, i'm learning skills

[west fractal]

i have to sleep 6 hours which is necessary

[kindred oyster]

12 hours of constant focus on one subject is overkill for anything , you should like divide it up into chunks and do like 2 hours max sessions in one go and do 2-3 sessions per day at the max

[near ocean]

Ok, you should try 18 hours then and see how long you last and how much you can retain

[west fractal]

i tried

i last for 1-2 weeks then i take a day off and then back

[west fractal]

yeah i do mix a dsa and development

[near ocean]

Are you learning a lot? Are you applying to jobs? Are you getting calls back, interviews?

[west fractal]

Man I had started learning computer science for the first time since last few weeks

How will I get job now

[near ocean]

You won't, not like this

[fast fossil]

Are you trying to speedrun burnout?

[west fractal]

yeah definitely not in the 1st month of computer science

[west fractal]

No

I want to ask something

I'm new to programming and currently at a very beginner level in both c++ and DSA.

How many hours do I need to practice daily to be able to clear Google or big tech difficult DSA rounds in 6 months seeing my current level?

[pine sleet]

it doesnt work that way

[fast fossil]

Well, at least the statement "if you can practice DSA for 25 hours a day, you can land a job at google" is true, not particularly useful, but true nonetheless

[west fractal]

then how does it work?

[west fractal]

What do you mean

[pine sleet]

there's a lot to it, but it essentially boils down to being able to prove that you're more capable than the thousands of other applicants with college degrees, impactful projects, and previous work experience

[west fractal]

Google values DSA a lot but it doesn't mean all they do is DSA like 25 hours

[west fractal]

I'm talking of DSA/coding rounds

[icy pagoda]

good luck hyperoptimizing for roles which recruit only through DSA i guess

[pine sleet]

right, but are you confident you'll actually get to the interview stage?

[fast fossil]

you need to get that far first

[pine sleet]

what will you do in the behaviourals, or the system design, or the other kinds of interviews you may have to do?

[fast fossil]

(assuming your resume is getting past initial screening)

[west fractal]

Yes

[west fractal]

what

[pine sleet]

i find it strange that you feel confident your resume will get past all the initial filters and get to the interview stage, but still feel like you need to practice DSA for 18 hours a day

[west fractal]

Can you tell what I asked for😭 😭

[pine sleet]

no because there's no concrete number that guarantees you'll land a job at big tech with X hours of DSA practice every day

[icy pagoda]

you're also placing too much stake on companies which hire solely through DSA for new grad roles

these companies are far less than ones who'll ask you other things too (as people said already)

[west fractal]

Yeah but that wasn't what I asked, I asked how many hours do I need to crack Google or any other big tech difficult DSA rounds seeing my current level - beginner in both DSA and c++

[wraith harbor]

What about your resume makes you think they won't throw it away after an AI scans it for 0.5 seconds?

[pine sleet]

it is impossible to answer this question accurately

[fast fossil]

like at least 3000

[pine sleet]

I could say somewhere between 0 and 24 hours a day, and I'd be 100% right. Is it useful to you?

[icy pagoda]

in general, a lot of people ace DSA rounds with a university level credit course and some practice before interviews ~110 hours total assuming 90 hours of coursework

[west fractal]

Per day in 6 months?

[pine sleet]

they weren't giving you an actual answer

[true harness]

yes

[fast fossil]

yeah, if you can squeeze in 3000 hours of DSA practice in a single day, you should go for it /s
(also share your time machine with the rest of us, thanks)

[proud glacier]

we don't know how much time you take to learn, how you use those hours, what you need to focus on, etc.
so us telling you "how many hours" is useless. at best you can get an answer to "this is the approximate level of problems you need to be prepared to solve", and how you get to that level is up to you.

[west fractal]

I think I should ask chatgpt now

No point in talking to humans

[pine sleet]

i would re-evaluate your confidence in getting to the interview...

[fast fossil]

It might be worthwhile still to set some goals for yourself, but something more tangible than "passing the hardest DSA interviews", for instance, solving a 1000 problems on leetcode (or codewars or exercism) in 6 months
(okay, upon further reflection, that's like 5.5 problems per day, which I doubt is very feasible once you start doing the harder problems, but still, point stands)

[wraith harbor]

This guy only accepts answers he wants to hear

[icy pagoda]

I think a few heavily algorithmic thinking/logic focused companies offer interview invitations to some codeforces contest winners

[pine sleet]

they also need some practice with behavioral interviews it seems

[fast fossil]

AI can help with that /s /hj
but actually maybe it can, honestly, almost seems like a good use case for an LLM

[west fractal]

8 hours or 12 hours?

[pine sleet]

this is just going in circles

[fast fossil]

I don't understand your question, like 8 or 12 hours for what?

[pine sleet]

we already told you it's impossible for us to tell you how many hours to practice. but if you really really want one, pull up a random number generator and pick a number between 0 and 24. some practice is better than none