career-advice

[peak halo]

what is your goal?

[small sleet]

ive just started i think that any field, i can learn and accquire knowledge
what do you think is good as of current ?

[deep wharf]

in my 12th grade i fcked a very important maths viva becoz i got extremenly nervous in front of teacher and went blank and now i am in college 1st year and i somehow managed to fck up almost every viva as you can guess .. how do i overcome this ? i became very nervous in front of the teacher and i fear that it will affect me a heck lot in coming years and during my placement interviews time too ?

[junior valley]

But shcool in poland are lil diffrent than in USA

theres no SAT and GPA so only window is olimpiads

[fringe sphinx]

Isn't acceptance first driven by grades or exams? Usually extracurriculars are 'extra' not the main factor, as far as I know (but I don't know Poland)

[keen phoenix]

see a therapist it helps

[fringe sphinx]

What's a 'viva'?

But agree with Soulucid; anxiety (or whatever it is) is a real thing. Ignoring it is not healthy.

[junior valley]

We have test at the end of High School better procentege u get better college you can go into and it also depends how many % you get from every subject

[keen phoenix]

im not joking?

[deep wharf]

umm like a interview the professor ask question and you get grade based on that

[deep wharf]

Mb I didn't read properly sorry

[true turtle]

viva voce/oral examination

[drifting pawn]

ehh

if only

[fringe sphinx]

What else is it primarily about?

[drifting pawn]

extracurriculars, essays

[fringe sphinx]

I don't believe those are more important than coursework. (grades + difficulty of schedule)

[drifting pawn]

as someone who had to go through the college admission process recently, at least in the us, this isn't really true

[fringe sphinx]

Well, we can agree to disagree then. I'm drawing my conclusion based on my experience (as parent of a college freshman), and from what I heard fairly unanimously from college advisors & admissions.

[drifting pawn]

fwiw I had a perfect SAT, perfect gpa and took ~= 20 aps and still got rejected from a large portion of places, same with many of my friends

at a lot of places there's just too few spots and too many people with good enough grades

[fringe sphinx]

I know one kid with a perfect SAT and solid GPA. Just got Harvard. And her extracurriculars were fairly normal (sports + one summer college thing at a local U).

[fringe sphinx]

But, the above wasn't to prove anything, just wasn't my experience, but: If you have a small chance with a perfect SAT and solid GPA, then my point is: you have a zero chance without it. Extra's may make the difference, but alone they won't carry you.

[drifting pawn]

fair enough

also ^_^ might be worth reading: https://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/applying_sideways/

[junior valley]

Ohh thanks

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, that's more of what I meant (but said much better).

[junior valley]

Ok

[gleaming gust]

Hello I hope everyone is well. For my University assignment they would like me to interview someone in the field im studying for (Software Development) I have a few basic questions about the field that I would like to ask. If someone here would be willing to talk (Voice or DM) for roughly 15 minutes who is in the field I would greatly appreciate it. My dms are open. I hope it wouldn’t be too much but to share a company they worked for. Thank you in advance

[peak halo]

I won't remove this message, but for future reference, we don't really allow this kind of soliciting.

[gleaming gust]

I understand my apologies

[peak halo]

If you want, you can post all your questions in this chat, and then anyone who wants to can answer them, without having to DM you to find out what they are.

[lyric field]

am i cooked as a CS major with a 3.5 GPA

[peak halo]

That's fine. What's more important is what you're doing in addition to courses. What are you doing that would break the tie between you and another 3.5er?

[lyric field]

i do some clubs

[gleaming gust]

It’s ok thank you though

[peak halo]

such as? this channel has a high slow mode, so don't be coy.

[lyric field]

no sport though, i do that outside of school

[peak halo]

No one who hires developers cares what sports you do.

[lyric field]

i do ACM and there is another club for programming

[true harness]

when every applicant has similar grades and course load, you need to look at other factors to distinguish them

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, maybe we're debating semantics. The first filter is: do they have the grades & course load.

[true harness]

i mean, yeah...but you need more than that

[drifting pawn]

to be fair you also need more than good extracurriculars on top of your grades💀

you need a good helping of luck too

[white relic]

There are plenty of schools out there that accept people with "just" grades.
Sometimes I get the impression that the zeitgeist of the age is that if you can't be the 0.1%, you might as well give up. You can have a successful career without going to CMU or Caltech

[cloud fulcrum]

Hii

[deft plaza]

Is it worth applying to a bunch of internships as a freshman in college, or should I just focus on upskilling? Is there any chance of landing an internship, and if there is, is it worth the time?

[peak halo]

People spoke as if this was the case when I was a teen (early 2010s). But as we know, most of the people who are successful are not in the top n (for 0< n << 1)

[smoky quest]

It is worth doing both, and yes, it is worth the time

[glass silo]

Hi guys, I want to understand how resumes are shortlisted (as mine never gets shortlisted). Consider you are applying for a job with a lot of fellow applicants. Apart from referrals, how do I get my resume shortlisted

[peak halo]

Your resume should highlight experience that you do actually have that is relevant to the position.

[glass silo]

did you consider ATS

[fringe sphinx]

"Worth it" is always a weird question: What does it "cost" you to apply? Seems like it's a low cost effort for a potentially high reward... regardless of the statistics involved.

[fringe sphinx]

There's a lot of factors. First, does it pass the "sniff" test: is it actually professional, well phrased, and have an appropriate background.

[glass silo]

It's a 85+ on resumeworded (for the sniff test)

[peak halo]

I'm not convinced that ATS optimization is as big a deal as it's made out to be.

[fringe sphinx]

You might get 5-10 seconds to pass that test. Otherwise, nope.

[deft herald]

What is ats?

[smoky quest]

Applicant Tracking System. Just a fancy spreadsheet/DB of candidates

[fringe sphinx]

That doesn't mean anything to me. Get human feedback. You can post anonymized here if you like.

[deft herald]

got it

[smoky quest]

It's based on which resume makes it like the best candidate for the job.
Feel free to post an anonymized version of your resume for feedback and review

[glass silo]

Sure, I'll have to anonymize it first
I feel resumeworded is a good website

[glass silo]

Sure, I will post mine soon, thanks!

[fringe sphinx]

I've never heard of it.

[smoky quest]

Playing the devil's advocate: if resumeworded was so great, we wouldn't be having this conversation 😉

[fringe sphinx]

And, last time it was mentioned in this server was, apparently, 2022.

[glass silo]

I didn't say it is great, I feel like it gets the sniff test part done

Like the stuff with the layout, vocab, wording, bullets etc.

[smoky quest]

alright, let me rephrase it:

Playing the devil's advocate: if resumeworded was so good, we wouldn't be having this conversation 😉

but yeah, let's wait and see your resume so we can help on what really matters

[glass silo]

Okay, it will take time for my resume, but I have something more to ask. What are the typical qualifications for an "Applied ML Scientist" kinda' roles in FAANG

[smoky quest]

Anything more specific than the requirements listed on their job?

[glass silo]

My uncle works at Amazon and he gave me a slightly weird answer

[fringe sphinx]

You won't like our answer. But, "typical" is almost meaningless in any engineering related field, because job titles are terribly non-standard.

[glass silo]

Okay, lemme ask this: did you see any bachelors (and not phds) working in those roles

[deft herald]

Yes. And Master's degrees

"Applied ML Scientist" to me means they have some data set that they want to apply ML to get useful, actionable, information out of. Maybe the data set exists already, maybe it doesn't and you need to figure out how to obtain it. That's about all i can say without seeing the actual job description

[glass silo]

Any idea how they got there? Do they see any published work to evaluate Masters/Bachelor people?

[deft herald]

I was not involved in their hiring process, but i doubt they required any sort of published work

[fringe sphinx]

What answer did he give?

[glass silo]

that he only saw phds

[deft herald]

And I haven't seen phds yet. So now you have 2 data points offsetting each other

[glass silo]

let it pass

[outer lichen]

How can i have more creativity for creating programs? I already did alot of cliche exercises with radius of a circle and vowels and i’m done with those

[deft herald]

!kindling

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[fringe sphinx]

Practice (above), Education (learn things) and Socializing (including watching conference videos to see what other interesting people are working on).

Besides projects... you can also use practice sites like exercism and codewars. For education, depends on what you want to learn. For socializing, hang out in #python-discussion , post your code for review in #1035199133436354600 , or watch PyCon/EuroPython videos

[hallow fossil]

so can sb teach me how to execute a script

[fringe sphinx]

Start in #python-discussion

[sacred furnace]

Hello all! I just recently obtained my CompTIA Security+ and I have the Google Cybersecurity Professional Certificate. I have nearly 0 IT employment experience, but currently am doing a part time internship (1-2 a week) at my current place of employment (my current job role has nothing to do with IT/Cyber).

I’m feeling a bit lost in terms of career progression, and I’m trying to figure out what the most optimal way is to make a break into this industry. Should I apply for a Help Desk position? How much weight do these certificates actually hold? What should I be prioritizing now?

[modest panther]

hi guys! Is it normal to ask someone to do an entire microservice as a take home project for an interview?

[modest panther]

Your internship is experience sir! Please refrain from underselling yourself

[fringe sphinx]

Does it matter if we say yes or no?

[buoyant seal]

That is how I got my first job 😁
Otherwise answer it depends on amount of requirements/wording of exercise

[summer roost]

People complain about algorithms heavy Leetcode style interviews because they test for skills that aren't the most relevant to the job. People complain about take-home assessments building realistic applications because they're a lot of work and time consuming. There's just no winning

[balmy spade]

I'm not sure why it would be a take-home assessment, myself. Let's sit down for an hour, jam-session out the high level details, and we can figure out if we work together well.

[summer roost]

Different interview approaches select for different skill sets. If your interview only sees if people can sketch out high level details, you never find out if they can actually deliver a finished product

(and there definitely are people who take more than an hour to wrap their head around some problem, but then deliver something beautiful after mulling it over for a day or so)

[balmy spade]

The amount of legitimate work I'd be able to accomplish to build a realistic application isn't going to be that different than what I'd deliver at the table. Unless I'm handed a complete set of acceptance criteria, performance goals, scaling demands, client demands, and infra availability.

But then it feels less like a take-home assessment and more like that one task on the backlog that nobody else wants to do.

I could be looking at it from the wrong angle.

I'm a few years out of touch with the interview process. Getting back into it will be a learning experience (and hopefully fun).

[summer roost]

I think all you can really do is acknowledge that every type of interview introduces its own biases

[fringe sphinx]

tbh, I think a lot of people would appreciate a difficult realistic/practice test rather than more leetcode. Especially people who are trying to prove their worth vs people with more credentials.

[summer roost]

Algorithms style interviews select for people who study better and test better, take home tests select for people with more time, "let's have a conversation" style interviews select for people who have better social skills. There's downsides to all of them

[modest panther]

just wondering if it's a legitimate thing that companies do, the fear is that the company is using me for slave labour

but i guess i keep the codebase too so what the heck, it's a win/win regardless of the outcome

[summer roost]

It is a real thing that companies do

[balmy spade]

True true. For as introverted as I've always been, I will always excel more in the conversation than the exam.

[modest panther]

sounds good!

[deft plaza]

Should you only apply (online) through referrals?

[sacred furnace]

Haha! I appreciate it. It just feels like I’m going no where, or I’m not doing enough/doing something wrong.

[summer roost]

no, you should apply for any job that seems to match your interests and skill set

[deft plaza]

Should I wait to get a referral, and if so how long should I wait before I just submit a normal application?

[summer roost]

you should not wait to get a referral. A referral from someone who doesn't actually know you and can't personally vouch for your skills is worthless

[deft plaza]

I trust you and will take your advice. But how do you properly get a referral?

[summer roost]

you talk to people you know about their jobs, and ask them to refer you if the job sounds interesting to you

[flint bolt]

Hey guys, I am trained in Python programming, Machine learning and AI engineering; but I am still looking for job. Please anybody help me.

[harsh river]

this isn't a place for recruiting or such, but you can send your resume and we can give you pointers on how to improve it and have better chances at getting hired

[peak halo]

what training did you do for these topics? do you have a scientific degree?

[flint bolt]

@peak halo yes I have degree

[peak halo]

can you elaborate on what the degree is and what coursework you did as it pertains to ML and AI? Please write a detailed answer in one message.

[flint bolt]

I did course on coursera. And I take certificate in AI engineering and Machine learning. Also I take advantage of YouTube to be better in this.

[peak halo]

you didn't mention what your degree is in.

[flint bolt]

In MBA

[peak halo]

it's sounding very unlikely that you'll be able to get a job in AI/ML with these credentials. you'll probably need to get a masters in CS that focuses on AI/ML.

What is your current job?

[flint bolt]

I am freelancer

[peak halo]

A freelancer who does what? Please try to be detailed when you answer questions here.

[flint bolt]

Please Sorry! I have to go. There's a fight going on in my house

[daring ivy]

should i choose cs or data science for ai engineering?theres no ML or ai engineer courses in the college im going to

[peak halo]

please post links to the requirements pages for both programs.

[daring ivy]

u mean the requirement classes for both programs?

[peak halo]

the requirements that you need to fulfill to get into the program

[daring ivy]

i dont think theres a specific requirements u need for those programs its also a community college

[peak halo]

You can't seek employment here. you'll have to look at a job board.

[peak halo]

if you want to work in AI/ML, you should only use community college as a stepping stone to a bachelors degree. so you need to look at bachelors degrees, and then figure out which community college courses will help you towards that.

[daring ivy]

honestly i actually dont know how colleges and unis work could i get a bachelor's degree specifically for AI/ML in uni and is it possible for me to pursue those after choosing cs or data science in college

[peak halo]

it's okay that you don't know how colleges and unis work. that's what this channel is for.
AI/ML hasn't been enough of a thing for long enough for there to be widely-agreed-upon requirements for what an AI degree should cover. So the large majority of the time, the best degree that a university offers for AI is their computer science degree.

so unless you find a specific university with a specific AI/ML/DS degree that has a good reputation, you should probably go for a CS degree

[spice karma]

Hi

Hour to learn python

[true harness]

what country are you in? education systems vary, so it's important

[daring ivy]

oh thank you

[daring ivy]

im going to a community college in US

[fringe sphinx]

Look at the course differences between each program. A degree is simply a collection of courses that you must take. I bet that both programs have very similar courses, especially for first semester, so it may not be such a critical decision.

[true harness]

i agree with stelercus then. some community colleges have processes that let you automatically (or very easily) transfer to 4 year schools once you graduate. you should look to see if those exist at your school

[fringe sphinx]

In my state, the big state U has automatic acceptance and transfer if you maintain a certain gpa.

[daring ivy]

yes it does but it only guarantee for bachelors in cs if i chose cs in college and same with data science but i think this is smth i should ask the college

[true harness]

good idea

[fringe sphinx]

This is the right questions to be asking. And look on the website of your state Uni, they'll often have information about transfer from the local CCs. Take your time to make sure you maximize your transfer credits (or degree transfer) so you don't have to take additional classes to fill a gap

[white relic]

note that, although they may only guarantee conversion for certain majors, that doesn't mean you can't take whatever classes you want at CC and transfer them, it just means you have to check with the university yourself about what will transfer for a particular program.

I'm not sure if guaranteed means you are also guaranteed acceptance to the university by maintaining a certain GPA at CC, that is another thing to take into account.

[fringe sphinx]

To your original question: CS vs "DS for AI"... I think (but just my opinion / Others may disagree): CS is the more flexible undergrad degree -if- you're unsure of your interests but know you want to be involved in software engineering/coding, even if it's ML/AI related in the future. I'm biased, ofc, as a SWE with a CS background.

[daring ivy]

honestly im not sure about that too but they said u get 60 credits in the cc and i think ill only have to do 2 more years in uni for a bachelor degree

[daring ivy]

thank you i was really lost after seeing so many stuff abt cs job market is so cooked and started thinking if i should get into data science cuz i read that it is also needed for ai and ml

[glass silo]

hi all, I have finally anonymised my resume, please let me know if this is doable using a PDF

[white relic]

most people take a screenshot

you can also post a link somewhere but images are the easiest way for people in the channel to see it

[glass silo]

sure 1/2 [[removed resume]]

2/2 [[removed resume]]

[white relic]

Where are you looking for jobs? Within India? Anywhere?

[glass silo]

within india, yes

[maiden crypt]

Hi

[glass silo]

why do you ask, do you have anything country specific 😅

[white relic]

just in general, advice may be different depending on where you're looking.

[glass silo]

yea fine, any advice is appreciated

[glass silo]

could I know if this can fit a junior SDE/MLE?

[white relic]

it looks pretty solid, IMO. Have you been applying with this resume?

It's a bit wordy, maybe

[glass silo]

I thought this is weak for some reason. Was depressed due to personal problems. So will start applying.

[white relic]

I suppose "institute of national importance" means something specific, but to my ears it sounds kind of silly, like, if your university were really of National Importance people would know it without being told

[glass silo]

its nascent so, yeah

[white relic]

ah, well, maybe get someone more local to review it for more targeted advice, but I don't think it's weak at all.

[glass silo]

thanks a lot!

[white relic]

Maybe some others in this channel will have constructive criticism.

[glass silo]

billibobby, ~~ but he isn;t here apparently ~~

[white relic]

I'll be surprised if he doesn't see it.

[glass silo]

there's this factor of an AI revewing and filtering candidates and also hiring managers are mostly non technical (india) so theres some forcefully injected stuff in the first few bullets

[abstract coral]

Is the web development channel always so quiet?

[glass silo]

just post in #python-discussion

[white relic]

I wonder if you can reduce it to 1 page. That can make a difference and you definitely want to make sure your most proud achievements are on the first page, even if the whole thing doesn't fit

[abstract coral]

a ok

[glass silo]

nice idea will try to do it

heyy billibobby/other mods, if you get to look at my resume, and have any suggestions, please @-me. thanks in advance!

[fringe sphinx]

This is a complicated topic.. "cooked" is an exaggeration. The job market is "tighter" than it was, for a variety of reasons, but CS graduates are finding jobs. The last few years have been an economic roller coaster with recession fears & rising interest rates, so it's unfair to attribute all job problems directly to the field.

[fringe sphinx]

In other words: don't believe everything you hear from social media about the job market. Do continue to think critically and look for high quality sources of information.

[fringe sphinx]

I'm not sure you need to say: "An Institue of National Importance" next to IIT. I think everyone knows what IIT is 🙂

[glass silo]

It is a IIIT 😦 with a 25% placement %age

[fringe sphinx]

First off: It's good. Can always be improved, so here's some ideas:

• a little too much bolding of keywords. If you want someone to see something, put it in an earlier bullet (first bullet, for instance) or earlier in the bullet (one of the leading words). I never care about the whole performance impact stuff; "by 80% and ... 50%", that just isn't terribly interesting to me. Could probably combine 1st and 3rd bullet.
• I do like the first bullet about reducing time... but that's a lot of words to say: Cut processing time from 3 hours to 4 seconds, or something like that. Be brief.
• Would be nice to throw in a bullet about unit testing, CI/CD, or any other devops or systems-related stuff.
• In general, good ML and data skills here, but this can also be a turnoff for people looking for, say, a data engineer or more SWE skills. You could create three versions of this resume to target different opportunities

[glass silo]

1.1 About the performance impact stuff, a single bullet of that sort can consume up to 2 to 3 minutes in the interview- I can just say how I did it and what it used to be.
1.2 About the bolding, it is to help the non-technical readers
3. Sure, but I actually had to remove it as this went two pages already
4. Yes, I will have to work in that direction (more work). Honestly, I never aimed for a ML/SW role. I thought I can do well in cybersec and it didn't work for some reason. So now I am here with a mix of ML and SWE skills.

Thanks a lot!

[fringe sphinx]

My general point is just about the readers impression: they're quickly forming an opinion / idea of you. You can shape that by emphasizing different things. Want to sound more like a SWE? Then, add some space for testing / documentation / CI-CD, etc and de-emphasize some of the model keywords. etc.

[glass silo]

alright, sounds like an easier way to target specific roles

[white relic]

"Fronting" important information (moving it to the beginning of the page/paragraph/bullet point/etc.) is very effective and, I think, underutilized

[outer lichen]

Is webdev viable in the future?

[smoky quest]

sure

[abstract isle]

What do you guys use for multi language support?

[limpid shoal]

Could you be more specific?

Like, what part of your code would need multi-language support built in?

[abstract isle]

if you want your application support multiple language, what tool/library would you use for it ?

[abstract isle]

basically my entire app i would like to be able to change language

[limpid shoal]

In theory, you could just use JSON files to do that, with your app just:

{
  "en":{...},
  "es":{...},
  ...
  "jp":{...},
}

And having a part of your app able to manualy change languages

https://docs.python.org/3/library/locale.html
Alternatively, you can use this to figure out what the machine's language is

[drowsy sphinx]

Hi guys

[cobalt harbor]

Sup

[drowsy sphinx]

Thanks good to see you

I need a little help if you can

[pine sleet]

if it's a python question you should ask in #1035199133436354600

this channel is for career questions

[drowsy sphinx]

Oh

Ok robin thanks

[pine sleet]

no worries

[reef glacier]

is python the best starter in learning code? for future job purposes(i dont know anything about coding yet)

[pine sleet]

python is a great starter language

[reef glacier]

would u suggest like mastering phyton before trying out any other languages?

[pine sleet]

you can, but you don't have to

[reef glacier]

im not a fast learner so im asking to learn better😭

[pine sleet]

there isn't really a single optimal path to learning, as long as you're learning something new every day that's good enough. people often overthink it by trying to optimize everything "what is the best course" or "what is the best way to learn"

[reef glacier]

uh last question where do i learn?

[pine sleet]

!res

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[reef glacier]

thanku!

[limpid shoal]

people often overthink it by trying to optimize everything "what is the best course" or "what is the best way to learn"
I mean, the "easiest" way to learn any programing language is by actually doing something outside of any tutorial.

[pine sleet]

yeah, i just mean it's far too common for people to spend way too much time overanalyzing what they should do and plan everything out exactly while they really should just dive into a project or book

[reef glacier]

my brain aint working, what u mean by doing something outaide of a tutorial?

[pine sleet]

anything where you aren't following a tutorial step by step

[limpid shoal]

Like figuring out how to extract data from this text string:

"(15:00) Gronotte,Trey kickoff 57 yards to the NAVY08, out of bounds at NAVY08."

[reef glacier]

like uh reading or watching something then applying that to your own idea?

[pine sleet]

that's one, yeah

[limpid shoal]

something like that

[reef glacier]

what js that lol

[limpid shoal]

First play, 2024 Army-Navy game

[terse epoch]

What would a good job for work experience

[reef glacier]

im confused alr, i think learning all this stuff would take years for me to understand 🤣

[fringe sphinx]

You're in the wrong channel. Use #python-discussion

[fringe sphinx]

Everyone starts at the beginning

[limpid shoal]

Was just posting that to demonstrate how to expand one's knowledge of python by solving problems that would clearly not be covered in a "advanced python" tutorial.

[reef glacier]

you also go through print("hello world") ? 🤣

[limpid shoal]

and I was going to demonstrate a solution to parsing that string using RegEx.

[reef glacier]

thats gon blow my brain if i even try to understand

@limpid shoal yo joe i sent u dm would u mind checking? thanku

[limpid shoal]

Regular Expressions (regex) does have a learning curve and is absolutely not beginner friendly, but if you understand the systems/keywords behind it, it becomes significantly easier to work with.

Also, regex is why this website is super popular https://regex101.com/

[eternal summit]

Hello everyone, I’m a Junior Information Science and Tech major. I’m currently aiming for a summer internship I know this is a stretch but I haven’t lost hope, I’m trying to decide which language I want to prioritize at the moment (python or java). I have some experience working with databases and .NET but i’m trying to just interview prep, leetcode and build resume projects what do you guys think is the best route ? I’m tryin to be prepared for March because that’s when I’ll be attending a conference?

[fringe sphinx]

There's not much you can accomplish in short term that'll make a difference for summer internships, since interviews would be soonish. Resume, interview prep, etc are important. In terms of -next year- prep, that's perhaps more interesting and something people could advise on

In that regards: Java, Python and/or Database are all good skills to develop. Building some substantial project, or a series of smaller skill-based projects, are both valid strategies. When in doubt, choose breadth over depth: do a series of exploratory projects. For example, check out Kaggle.com/learn for data ideas

[long solar]

Guys should I graduate in spring or fall

[vagrant fiber]

What do top university such as Oxford camebridge and imperial look for

[deft herald]

Yes

[long solar]

If I go for fall I'll be able to do an internship over the summer first

[deft herald]

Or you could just get a full time job

[long solar]

People seem to have a better time getting the job they want if they first have an internship

[deft herald]

True. Do you not have any internships yet? How much do you need to cram to graduate in the spring? You literally told us nothing so...

[long solar]

I have to do this spring semester taking 5 classes, and haven't applied anywhere yet, but I made a resume, but I feel like it might not be good enough because I haven't had a job in 1.5 years (because I've been doing personal projects). Picked 5 easy classes so it'd be feasible

[twilit violet]

Man I graduate in 2026 June. I have a bit of time left. Doing a computer science degree and I've secured no academic internship yet. If I can ever secure one it'll only be for 3 months in the summer. I just need some advice on what to major in. I want to make the most amount of money possible asap I enjoy all things to do with code and maths. Most of my skills are in swe. But I need to prepare for worst case scenarios that I get no internships before I graduate, I get mid grades, and I don't even think projects can take you far anymore. So I'm looking at AI. But again without an internship right of the bag can I get a job in AI? Are there even many opportunities in say Ireland or remote. How would I even build up my skills for that it'd seem all these projects I can do with ml would either require an expensive PC. Then I'm thinking about cyber security. I don't need high end PC, idek about projects but hacking right? (Idk anything about cyber security) I have incredible work ethic tho and I can learn things fast. Any ops on the current job market for new grads in different sectors?

[plush summit]

Ml doesn t need an expensive pc to learn you can do it on the gpu and cpu it is fast faster if you have a fast gpu and better if you have nvidia (nvidia is better with cuda so will perform better than amd)

[twilit violet]

Can I get a job with just bachelor's in Cs majoring in AI? Will it be high paying as well, too often I hear people needing masters or phds

[plush summit]

Don t know aboit that im a student myself Just answered the part that i knew 🤷‍♂️

[twilit violet]

Brother even ik that much 😭🙏

[plush summit]

You said you need a high end machine for ml and it isn t needed

[supple sphinx]

No

you need masters or phd to actually get good sallaries, i suggest just grinding until then because there is no other way

[smoky quest]

<@&831776746206265384> scam

[nocturne harbor]

!cban 1170717405346021470 scam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @dim iron permanently.

[wind cedar]

Nvm your not really helping

[fringe sphinx]

You don't need a graduate degree to make the big bucks, but I'd generally say: plan to work on your masters part time (online or evening) after landing your first job. It keeps your educational journey going while you gain practical experience.

[twilit violet]

Can I not self learn or is that too hard? I rly can't be arsed to go to classes hate college

[near ocean]

You can self learn, can you get a job in AI without the grad degree? 🤷‍♀️

[near ocean]

Give it a go then

[fringe sphinx]

If you're asking whether you should get a bachelors? Yes. Get a bachelor's. Otherwise, you'll find a lot of doors are closed and a much harder/longer path. As a wise person said: "A degree will be the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation."

[twilit violet]

No no I'm getting a bachelor's I don't wanna do masters anyway I could compensate with self study and might this self study be faster than college part time?

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, yah, for the masters: it's not about 'speed'. Just take it slowly.

[twilit prairie]

You don’t need a expensive computer because you use google collab or a Mac mini M4 is very cheap

[twilit violet]

Thanks for the help so far mate, I'm just unsure if masters would be more efficient then self study.

[solar epoch]

Figure out the sort of job you would like, then go on job boards and see what the people advertising those jobs are looking for in a candidate. That will help you tailor your skillset and figure out the level of education/graduate certification you need.

[twilit violet]

How can I beat someone with a masters on their CV? I'm a bit dishearted cause my projects have been better than my class but still no internship lol

Unsure how much it rly matters

[deft herald]

Physical violence is not the answer here

/joke

IME, early on in a career, a Masters is roughly equivalent to 2 years experience

[twilit violet]

Wow

2 times exp event

[fringe sphinx]

This is the wrong way to look at it. Forget about the masters for a moment: there's three things you do to maximize your job prospects:

1. Prepare the best resume you can. Most resumes aren't very good. This includes tailoring it to specific jobs or opportunities... rather than blasting the same resume very time.
2. Practice your interview skills... an interview isn't just technical "what do you know" quetions. This is hard and takes time.
3. Network: Talk to friends, family, friends of friends of family, classmates... graduating classmates... etc. Join clubs and other activities. This isn't just about finding jobs, but hearing other peoples experiences is important.

Separately: volunteering, good career-relevant projects or contributions, and expanding your knowledge (I'm a huge fan of watching conference videos... there's so many great videos by really interesting people).

[rose yew]

I come from an arts background and plan to apply for the fall intake at universities, preferably for programs in Data Science, AI, or Machine Learning. I've already enrolled in a Data Science, AI, ML, and Python course that requires just one hour of my day. Could you suggest what else I can do in the meantime? Are there any other certifications or courses I should consider?

[peak halo]

what country are you in?

[rose yew]

india

[marsh copper]

if any one senior devloper her so please help me to working with this pocket option api

https://github.com/ChipaDevTeam/BinaryOptionsToolsV1

please give me script for giving historical data of particular asset

[deft herald]

1: this channel is for career discussion

2:

please give me script for giving historical data of particular asset

That's not how it works here. If you want help doing it yourself, you can open a help channel #❓｜how-to-get-help

[marsh copper]

soory bro , i will keep in mind next time

[rose yew]

I come from an arts background and plan to apply for the fall intake at universities, preferably for programs in Data Science, AI, or Machine Learning. I've already enrolled in a Data Science, AI, ML, and Python course that requires just one hour of my day. Could you suggest what else I can do in the meantime? Are there any other certifications or courses I should consider?

[fringe sphinx]

I'm a little confused... are you in Uni now and changing programs?

[junior valley]

Hi i have a question can i get a job knowing python?

Only python

and is it worthy after learning py is it worthy to learn java n html

[smoky quest]

languages are tools.
So your question is like asking if you can get a job only knowing about screwdrivers. What matters is not the tool, but what you can do with them.

In terms of career, a CS degree will be the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[junior valley]

Bro im just trying to get to MIT badly and i have a lot of work as foregainer

Im so thankful

[smoky quest]

bro time to lock in! Let's do it

[junior valley]

Nah cuz im gona be him on winter break

https://tenor.com/view/tired-gif-27193368

Nah cuz i want that cs degree at MIT so badly bruv

someone gonna make my parents proud dawg

[buoyant seal]

!rule 6 9 , not a place for this spam. delete your msg

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[buoyant seal]

<@&831776746206265384>

[manic flint]

New to Python but catching on quickly. Anyone in marketing?

[nocturne harbor]

This is not a job board, please don't post this here.

[fringe yacht]

😦

[cobalt harbor]

What do you do if your parents force you to do what career you want, wont let you go out, wont let you volunteer, wont let you do extra curricular, does not let you have freedom, does not let you have opinion and are "always right"... and more

[placid hill]

Step 1. Go to r/raisedbynarcissists /s

[pine sleet]

having a conversation with them is the most you can do. if they don't budge just wait until you're in college

[fringe sphinx]

Dad answer: Be thankful for what you do have, and remember you'll be an adult soon enough and you'll likely have a different perspective

[cobalt harbor]

Its been like that my whole life.

[pine sleet]

it won't always be

[manic flint]

First of all. How old are you?

[cobalt harbor]

15. My parents legit want to use me and said stuff to me that completly changed my whole life

[dense vault]

Keep doing what you're passionate about in secrecy. Once you become successful in the field you're passionate about and make the dough even the strictest parents would budge.
Think from their perspective: all they want is for you to be monetarily independent and successful

[manic flint]

Prove them wrong. Show them you can do it.

[cobalt harbor]

they dont, after what they said.

it comeplety changed me and the way i think. i don't even see them as parents anymore after what i heard.

[dense vault]

[fringe sphinx]

To be clear, this is a career channel. This isn't the right place for family problems. There are great resources out there: seek counseling, advice from other adults at your school, and your parents. Don't rely on discord or Reddit for life advice.

[cobalt harbor]

okay 👍

[pine sleet]

specifically with regard to careers though, you can do stuff like contribute to open source now. though if you're 15 the most you really need to do is expore the fields of CS, and keep up good grades in school

you'll have more oppurtunities and freedom once you're in college

[cobalt harbor]

My grades are top notch

[fringe sphinx]

But, focus on what's in your control. You can educate yourself, learn about the world, and engage in communities in a positive way.

[pine sleet]

awesome, keep it up so you can get into a good CS program

[deft plaza]

For students trying to land an internship, how many applications do you send per day?

[deft herald]

all of them

I mean for real though, why not apply to the maximum number you can?

[deft plaza]

I want to get an idea, but you're right. I want to balance applying and learning.

[near ocean]

You want to download a token grabber?

!rule 5 grow up

[inner wren]

Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may violate terms of service, or that may be deemed inappropriate, malicious, or illegal.

[radiant vortex]

!cban 1275979483429736563 Only here to get help with creating malware

[inner wren]

:ok_hand: applied ban to @potent citrus permanently.

[eternal musk]

i started learning python recently (know fundementals up to maybe a bit of POO, just basics tho, and a little bit of os module), so for work, what are important things to know and learn?

[peak halo]

by POO, do you mean object-oriented programming?

[eternal musk]

yeah !!

in spanish the acronym is that sorry, didnt really consider the language difference

[peak halo]

putting adjectives first actually decreases the cognitive load. but oh well.

[peak halo]

in this market, a computer science degree (or another scientific degree) is virtually a requirement.

[eternal musk]

yeah i would imagine so, but i was referring more to python things i should learn, like idk, file management?

[fringe sphinx]

There's a lot of topics like that, but there's no complete list because it generally depends on what you're trying to do.

[fringe sphinx]

Many of us suggest starting with projects, which will force you to learn the essentials.

!kin

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[fringe sphinx]

I also like https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/ to give you an idea of some intermediate topics to learn

[steady osprey]

Are there any roles utilizing python that are a little less saturated with applications? If you see a junior or entry anything on LinkedIn these days it's going to have 100+ applicants or people who clicked apply I'm trying to find niche areas that I could focus on.

[smoky quest]

There are actually thousands of applicants for each job.
And with that volume, there aren't any niche, unless you count the one of a kind job that requires a phd.

As such the main advice would be to focus on a CS degree as it is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation. And from there, make sure you have great internships and projects to stand out

[steady osprey]

For my BS in CS I have one more class which is my capstone project. I decided to put it off in order to stay in school to fulfill the requirement for internships that I still be enrolled and also the class can be fulfilled with an internship. I took your guy's advice from last time to change my resume up a bit to include projects I still haven't heard anything back but I understand it's the end of the year and hasn't been much time since I changed it. Are there certain project's that look really good for entry or junior roles or did you have anything that they said stood out when you were just getting started?

[smoky quest]

Ask around your classmates about their projects or their resumes, and then one up them :p

Main thing I would want to see are things only someone with a bsc in cs can do. So don't try to make a simple todo list app that everyone, including bootcamp have. Instead show me your expertise and your theory by doing your own compiler, implement your own database or query engine, or distributed raytracer, or paxos, etc.

[steady osprey]

I think our colleges were vastly different. I do understand not making a simple todo list app though lol

[smoky quest]

it's not about your college or mine. It's about the thousands resumes each job receives.
Average profile (ie. projects) means you will be rank average among the applicants

And at the end of the day, you are about to be finished with college. So it's not about your college, it's about you. Your college won't care

And note the examples I listed are from actual resumes. I did not make these projects up

So regardless of what you do, I will continue to receive these resumes and compare them to yours

One way to find such projects is to pick a (text)book on a topic you are interested in and to implement it. Like go through https://dataintensive.net/ and actually implement what it is talking about. You will end up with some pretty cool stuff to show

[steady osprey]

Yeah I see what you are saying you have to create something that really stands above the thousands of competitors. What projects did you have when first starting?

[vagrant fiber]

Whata data science

[harsh river]

i like IBMs explanation:
https://www.ibm.com/think/topics/data-science

[astral fable]

Can I get into the tech world successfully with a commerce degree?

[winged fable]

Hi guys, I am looking for a job and I would be glad if you subscribe to my github. https://github.com/wArahh

[tribal falcon]

Help

Things I have going for me:
Im young (21)
$55,000 in savings
Finished my associates degree with a 3.8 GPA
I drive a nice 2024 Honda civic

Things I have against me:
I have friends but I don't like any of them
I want to change my major, I am unsure of my career path/plan
I hate my job and I want to change

Goals for next year:
Transfer to university
Change my job
Improve my social life

Does anyone have words of advice

[near ocean]

if you have questions regarding your job/industry change that'd be nice, otherwise this is general life advice and kind of offtopic

[pastel ruin]

I hope this message finds you well. My name is Yaseen, and I am a developer currently working on a project that I believe could be of interest to you and your team. I would appreciate the opportunity to showcase my project and discuss its potential applications.

Could you kindly advise on the appropriate person or department I should contact for this purpose? I look forward to your guidance and the possibility of sharing more details.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Just to be formal, i thought to make it sound clear!

[buoyant seal]

try to describe it in #community-meta then. try to avoid making it advertisement spam looking like

[pastel ruin]

Alright! thank you

[woeful stump]

Hi

Where is the channel for normal chat?

[whole flare]

!ot

[inner wren]

Off-topic channel

#ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

Please read our off-topic etiquette before participating in conversations.

[fringe sphinx]

#python-discussion if Python

[woeful stump]

Ah thanks 🙏

[thick shell]

Hi guys! I have a hard time understanding one thing about coding. So I am learning the basics for now, and I come across an idea that i can't make sense of. Every time i write a code, imagin we are talking about a binary search algorithm for example. when I write that algorithm I always think, the code itself is completly useless, unless I actually have a UserInterface so, someone can actually use it. The struggle arises when I think that what I am learning is not exactly how to code in a user-friendly way (even though that's what i am working for), or in a way where I will migrate what i am learning about coding into a more professional state of my career. This means that all i am learning is for the sake of understanding syntax, basic structures and all the basics or smtg, but eventually even my comprehension of what a code is will change! That is kinda weird to think. It's like trying to see with a pair of eyes that is not mine!! It's weird, fucking weird.
In my perspective, what i believe will happen is something like this, for now I learn the basic understanding of the language, then i will use it just to get used to it, then i will learn how to actually make a more complex project, even though it is completely useless, then i will learn a new technology, understand how it intercommunicates with the actual language i am working on, then i will again start creating project that are useless, but will eventually give me a more in depth comprehension of what i will be actually doing with the things i learned in a profession. Am I delusional ? or does this make sense ?

[peak halo]

keep in mind that for the majority of code, the interface is more code, not something graphical.

I would just keep practicing. remember that you'll very likely need a degree to start working professionally.

[thick shell]

I like to believe, that creating a good portfolio or smtg that shows my skills, will be useful considering I don't have a degree! Of course, a degree might had to the curriculum in a way it states I had a certified method of learning, but a portfolio can also state that, in a different way of course, but nonetheless states a path and learning in itself, also the capability of one driving himself through the path, with no directive entity

[peak halo]

I'm concerned that your resume will be discarded any time you apply to a position that a degree holder also applies to, before anyone actually takes the time to look at your portfolio.

[thick shell]

Have you got any intel on that process ? I consider it can be somewhat of a bad practice, nonetheless possible. Of course I also am concerned about that, but there are numerous positions, to which one can apply, and that might be something to consider, when applying

So you ahve some intel

from the inside

Uau ! That is of value indeed. I hope i run into someone like that eventually !

[white relic]

and not just FAANG. Most companies that hire for SWE or adjacent positions have plenty of applicants with degrees, and it's an easy thing to filter on.

[white relic]

Do you think people who have degrees don't also have portfolios to show their skills?

[thick shell]

what was that school ? something like codecademy ?

[thick shell]

No I don't, it makes total sense

[near ocean]

Codecademy doesnt issue degrees
If it's not accredited it's not a degree

[thick shell]

So you bought a cheap one just to compelment ? i didnt get that

[white relic]

ok, just checking.
People with university education also do portfolio projects, have internships, and with connections and general hustle often have as good or better resumes than people without degrees, plus the degree itself, so it's an uphill battle to try to stand out without one.

[vapid jay]

You need some kind of degree. Even if you are insanely cracked, no one will care. You have to actually like it too. Be prepared to put thousands of hours into this with absolutely no direction at all. I am not saying that to be rude, I am being honest. If you wanted to do this, you just would. That simple.

[thick shell]

i am on my way

not the first but related to the area yes

let me phrase it correctly ! Not my first job, but related to the area it is the first

yes

[vapid jay]

what field?

[thick shell]

prob will be web dev

[vapid jay]

my degree was not in data science because 1: the programs were so different across states and also it just was not old enough and I graduated in 2018. Made life harder, but not that much.

oh, the point of why I said that?

it still helped tremendously with a unrelated-ish degree

yes, why?

[fringe sphinx]

I think mixed up who was OP.

[thick shell]

do i have to know that before getting to learn even the first language ? I am learning python, and clearly none of those questions seemed to be an important aspect, or answering them! The point i completely off that ! The point is walking the path really

[vapid jay]

Do you have a plan? When did this come into your head to pursue this? It is a pipedream if you do not have a plan or are doing it for moeny.

[thick shell]

I am not sure what i will be doing ! But the dream is related with geographic freedom and I like coding! always found it interesting since i first had contact with it

I am starting with python! I enjoy it ! I am starting ADV Data structures and algorithms and it feels good, to face the challenge of learning that. It is kinda of like bringing an abstract idea into something you can actually see !

Appreciate the insight guys! Really helps to have a different prespective!

When I look at the things I save! I feel like I have done a lot hahaha
All garbage really hahah

Are you a senior rn ? Many years of experience I mean

When you look back, if you could describe your path in a few words, or many, what would you emphasize as standing out ? Approach wise, Method, what describes your way of walking the path. The amount of time you spent or the way you spent it ? I dunno, i'd love an insight from someone with experience!

[summer plover]

What the ?

I'm sorry but what is that doing here? I don't see what it has to do with careers.

[next spruce]

Bro is coding inside his phone

[finite crag]

You will not outcompete someone using this model to their advantage, you will fall behind. Start building and get creative

[fringe sphinx]

Good thing SWEing isn't anything like CP

[balmy spade]

LLMs are good at solving solved problems. More news at 11.

[buoyant seal]

At university level it is inevitably solving different asks that are useful only for teaching you.
At low level of skill it is inevitably to write code that willl be thrown away and was written only for learning.

At some level of maturity, person could start making projects that are actually going potentially persisting through his career
As he iteratively improves and maintenance them, i wrote some words how to pick such projects here https://darklab8.github.io/blog/choosing_pet_projects.html

But the problem is.. as your skill is bad in the beginning, you are unevitably going to write such bad code
that it will be easier to rewrite from zero than to maintain further. That will happen a lot 😅 Some continue doing it their all career

If you wish to grow up sooner, learn Code quality stuff https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#CodeCompleteAPracticalHandbookofSoftwareConstruction
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#TestDrivenDevelopmentByExample
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#UnitTestingPrinciplesPracticesandPatterns
Learn writing unit testing code. Code with that will be reaching with good chance an average passable quality eventually. As long as u design code with unit testing in mind and will be having good coverage for that, including unit testing code related to database interactions if they are present.
But for learning all that u need a certain level of minimal skill in order to get that.

It is unevitable that for learning good code writing u will make a plethora of corpses at a graveyard.
Doctors can't start healing people too right away, they need plenty of learning and training as interns and etc
As your expertise growth, u will be able freely change interfaces of thousands code lines without a problem in a single go if necessary.
And having even all the code potentially working and maintainable. It is just a matter of a lot of practice and learning code quality stuff (and not doing completely bad anti patterns)

[finite crag]

Do you know what Code force is?

[fringe sphinx]

CP right?

[finite crag]

The news is that you are more replaceable then ever.

[finite crag]

Yes. Why did you say the good thing is that it’s nothing like CP?

[balmy spade]

I keep getting told that and I keep getting jobs so I think I'll trust the latter.

[fringe sphinx]

I said: software engineering is not anything like competitive programming

[finite crag]

Because the models weren’t that good until now 😂

Yeah when the car first came out people used horses for sometime yes 😂

[smoky quest]

It's like comparing holding a spoon to crafting a full meal end to end

[finite crag]

You do realize using this makes that process faster right?

Like much faster

[balmy spade]

Well check back with me in 6 months, or 12, or however long this round will take to replace me.

Honestly, it's a ridiculous statement that only speaks of someone's lack of knowledge at what software engineering involves. It's like telling my buddy that latest hammer is going to replace her as a carpenter.

[smoky quest]

You could indeed hold your spoon much faster with it

[fringe sphinx]

How much time do you think we spend on competitive programming like problems?

[finite crag]

The latest hammer isn’t gonna build half the house for you 😂

[fringe sphinx]

Centering a div, sure? But algorithms? Nah

[balmy spade]

The lastest LLM isn't going to solve the problems for me.

[finite crag]

Also you act like this is any LLM. No LLM is close. Not trash Claude, no other one. This actually shows your lack of knowledge regarding these models 😂

[fringe sphinx]

Just to level set, are you in Uni as a CS major?

[balmy spade]

I act like someone who has access to it, is actively working on teams developing with it, and knows what it can and cannot do. ;)

[finite crag]

It certainty will for mathematicians or anyone in any complex field.

[finite crag]

What team are you in? 😂

[balmy spade]

Again. LLMs are good at solving solved problems. This is hardly news.

"Computers do math fast." I don't see the science community in a panic over it.

[finite crag]

You obviously don’t. You literally said no LLM will solve a problem for you. Anyone in the space would realize that’s a delusional statement. Maybe it applies to 4o but not the o serious obviously

[smoky quest]

!ot

[inner wren]

Off-topic channel

#ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

Please read our off-topic etiquette before participating in conversations.

[finite crag]

Except LLMs are not good at solving problems.

You are just wrong

Traditionally they suck at math and reasoning problems.

Until now 😂

[fringe sphinx]

I think you're looking for an argument, and over focusing on some general comments. There's a lot of nuance to AI conversations. Many of us don't think CS grads are 'cooked'. But, yah, this really isn't a career discussion.

[smoky quest]

I am super happy for you being so excited about it!
But this has nothing to do with #career-advice

[balmy spade]

Well, I had an answer for you but at this point if you want to chat you can take it to OT. You're welcome to believe in what you want.

[finite crag]

Saying LLMs solve problems then following up with “computer does math fast” is one of the most delusional things I’ve ever heard.

You do you lil bro

but yeah CS majors are cooked

[fringe sphinx]

Anyway, where are you in your career journey?

[balmy spade]

Myself, I'm working on refreshing the resume this weekend. Haven't dusted it off in a bit. So much to revisit xD

[near ocean]

Why are you here?

[radiant vortex]

Any further discussions on LLM that aren't directly careers related needs to go in an ot channel please

[woeful stump]

Hi guys

[tribal falcon]

I feel like I don't have a future. But I'm doing pretty well at the moment. I'm 21 years old I drive a 2025 Honda civic I have $55,000 in savings I got my associates degree this December with a 3.8 GPA. Am I being delusional

[peak halo]

I would have bought a used car if I were you. I'm looking at new civic listings near me, and you could have saved about 10k if you bought one with <80k miles.
Do you have any debt associated with your associates degree? what is it in? what will you do next?

[tribal falcon]

I have no debt

[peak halo]

(I finished an associates when I was like 22, and I had a used civic at the time.)

[peak halo]

it's easier/faster if you answer all the questions at the same time.

[tribal falcon]

My associates degree to me is meaningless because I want to change my major it's only helpful or important to me as it's my only ticket to transfer to a four university

My goal for next year is to absolutely get into a four year university

[peak halo]

do you want to get a CS bachelors degree? if not, what do you want to get a degree in? if yes, have you taken calculus? (please answer all of this in one message.)

[tribal falcon]

No I do not want to get a bachelors in cs I want to change my major and do a different degree no I haven't taken calculus I don't know what major I want to be

[peak halo]

I see. I can't offer you any useful advice about career directions that don't involve CS.

[tribal falcon]

Do you think I'm in a good spot though right now?

[peak halo]

It could definitely be worse. Being in debt with a useless associates degree is worse than not having one at all. And getting an associates degree, but having a bad GPA from it, can sometimes be worse than not having one.

[tribal falcon]

Well even if it's a useless associates degree it's still pretty important

As you wouldn't be able to transfer to a four year university without one at all

[supple sphinx]

or just get masters after your undergrad studies

[tribal falcon]

And if you ever do transfer you can just change your degree/major

[peak halo]

then it wouldn't be useless. I'm talking about ones that are.

[tribal falcon]

There is no such thing as a useless associates degree

Because regardless of whatever it is you can always transfer to a four year university to continue your studies or change whatever you studied initially

That's my opinion atleast

[peak halo]

let me switch "useless" with "unused". if you take out debt to get an associates degree, and then you don't use it to either get a job that you couldn't get without it, or to get into a bachelors degree program, then you're worse off than if you had done nothing

and if your grades from that associates are bad, you've made it harder for yourself to get accepted to programs in the future than if you had done nothing.

[tribal falcon]

Yes that's pretty bad

So my plan is to go to a four year university with the associates then change my major and degree when I get accepted into a university

My ultimate plan 🌚

[fringe sphinx]

What's your associates degree in? What major?

[summer roost]

Some associates degrees will advance you further along the path towards a Computer Science BS than others would. If your associate's degree is in Bilingual Childhood Education, it probably won't be nearly as helpful as an associate's degree in Economics

[tribal falcon]

Billy

Let's say you have an associates degree in communications and you apply to a school with a 50% acceptance rate

[fringe sphinx]

Is that what you have?

[tribal falcon]

Will you get rejected or accepted depending on whether or not your transcript meets their major/degree standard

No I do not it's a hypothetical but my question is like when admissions look at applications are they going to judge you on your transcript and degree to their own major

So let's say someone with a computer science degree tries to get in but some of their coding classes they didn't do too well does that mean they're gonna get rejected

Or do would they accept you but you have to just actually apply for their major like I'm very confused

[fringe sphinx]

I don't know the specifics. I would expect acceptance and transferability are separate decisions

[tribal falcon]

Does that make sense it's kind of a lot

[fringe sphinx]

You really have to deal in specifics, I think

[tribal falcon]

Ok let me try to make it more clear

Someone majored in English has an associates degree in English and apply to a school with a 50% acceptance rate. Will this person get accepted from admissions if it reaches their standards for their own English major department or is it a completely different decision where you can get accepted because you met all the general requirements then you actually have to apply for their English degree to see if you get accepted that way or not

[fringe sphinx]

I understand your question. If you're applying to a university, and they accept you, your associates may or may not transfer as 2 years towards the new degree. I think that's a solid 'it depends'

[tribal falcon]

That's not my question

[fringe sphinx]

And, if it's a selective program, they may factor in the relevance of your associates in their acceptance criteria.

[tribal falcon]

My question is admissions and acceptance rate not whether or not your associates can count as two years of progress towards x degree

[fringe sphinx]

But, for the rest of schools? I image it'd be GPA, and you'd have to take any missing classes

[fringe sphinx]

That's two different questions

Admissions vs transfer

[tribal falcon]

So

[fringe sphinx]

If your associates is in a different subject, it likely won't count as 2 years. And, then they'd do a course by course comparison to see which courses they'll transfer in.

[tribal falcon]

Well I'm gonna stop typing this 20 second cooldown is really fucking annoying me

[fringe sphinx]

Could you just tell us what subject your associates is in?

[summer roost]

or is it a completely different decision where you can get accepted because you met all the general requirements then you actually have to apply for their English degree to see if you get accepted that way or not
no, you apply to enroll in a particular degree program when transferring in

in fact, some schools make it pretty difficult for a student who transferred in to change majors

[tribal falcon]

Why do you want to know what I majored in

[summer roost]

it's directly relevant to the question of whether the courses will transfer over to a CS degree program or not

[tribal falcon]

Your missing the point I don't want to keep continuing doing cs

I think you guys are all assuming I want to continue doing it but no I don't want to keep continue it and do something else

[summer roost]

when you transfer, you'll need to declare what major you're pursuing. The courses you have already taken may or may not advance you on the path towards that major, depending on the university's course requirements for that major

[tribal falcon]

Ok

[fringe sphinx]

Can you just be specific? Your questions hypothesized transferring to a CS program. We're engineers, we like concrete questions 🙂

[tribal falcon]

But as long as you have an associates you can always transfer yea it doesn't matter as long as you completed it and if some of the courses don't transfer you just have to take them their to fulfill the requirement?

[summer roost]

yes, anyone can apply to enroll in a university

[tribal falcon]

Ok perfect

[summer roost]

have an associates, don't have an associates, have an associate's that not at all relevant to the major you're applying for - doesn't matter.

[tribal falcon]

So I have an associates yes

Do the schools reject for accept people if their transcript and application is up for par with their own standards for the same degree

[fringe sphinx]

in some cases, schools count the associates as 'two years done'.... and you start as a junior, otherwise it's just transfer courses. Look up 'articulation agreements': specifically, if your school has an articulation agreement with your target school

[tribal falcon]

So like an English major will they get accepted cause it does meet up to standard for their own English department

[summer roost]

schools reject or accept people based on the school's acceptance criteria, not based on the student's transcript. The student's transcript only comes into play when determining how many courses the student transferring in can skip, basically

[tribal falcon]

Ok so general requirements

So like it doesn't matter as long as they have the gpa and a nice essay and some letters of recommendation they're gonna get in even if they have easy classes in their transcript

Obviously this excludes ivy leagues who care about course rigors but besides that most schools aren't ivy leagues

[summer roost]

plenty of schools will care about rigor, but I wouldn't expect a student with an associate's degree to be in a worse position when applying to a university than a student with just a high school degree

[tribal falcon]

I think only ivy leagues care about rigor

[summer roost]

no

but anyway, depending on what associate's you have and what degree program you're applying for at the university, the worst case scenario would be that none of your credits transfer over and you're starting from the same place as an incoming freshman

[tribal falcon]

Then how do communication majors get in

Let's say someone with an associates degree in communications and they get into a good school how is that possible surely that has had to happen before..

[summer roost]

fresh high school grads get into good schools, too - why wouldn't associate's degree holders be able to?

[fringe sphinx]

Good grades, essay, recs? How else?

[tribal falcon]

Wait so when I apply can I show both my high school and associates degree transcript

[summer roost]

sure - I'd expect them to ask for both, in fact

[pine sleet]

they usually will

[tribal falcon]

Ok great I recently graduated high school in 2022 so

And got my associates degree this December but the problem is my high school transcript has more course rigor but lower gpa 3.3

[pine sleet]

colleges take into account both gpa and rigor

[tribal falcon]

Omg I really want to get into this school

[fringe sphinx]

I think you're worrying about something out of your control. What options do you have? Apply to a bunch of schools and take the best opportunity.

[tribal falcon]

Ugh my life will be boring and meaningless if I don't get in I will have no meaning in life and I'll die

[fringe sphinx]

You're killing me tho, what major are you interested in?

[tribal falcon]

I dont know

[pine sleet]

you will be dissapointed for a bit, but there is more than one path

[tribal falcon]

Only one that comes up to mind is nursing but to only find Mr future wife there cause 90% of people in nursing are probably women

Also friend is doing it and it would be fun to see them

[peak halo]

Nursing is a challenging occupation. If you're not already sure that being a nurse would be deeply fulfilling for you, I would reconsider your willingness to contend with body fluids, disease, and death.

[summer roost]

I know a nurse who has caught MRSA like 4 separate times

[tribal falcon]

I don't know

If I'm gonna get into this school or not honestly and that's really hurting me right now. My high school transcript is a 3.3 some course rigor like ap chem ap lang ap computer science whatever

My associates degree is computer science 3.8 but really easy classes like they're really easy.. :/

Am I just completely screwed be honest idk what to do...

I'm worried what should I do y'all

It's around a 50% acceptance rate

[peak halo]

You ultimately have to pick something. It doesn't need to be "your passion". It needs to be something that puts bread on the table and which is compatible with the lifestyle you want to have. What's wrong with a career in CS?

[tribal falcon]

Well I basically bullshitted my cs degree

[peak halo]

So?

[tribal falcon]

You can take classes completely unrelated to math and coding and you can still get the degree which is what I did so I don't know any math or coding

So I need to start new and get a different degree also I don't want to spend time in front of a laptop for the rest of my life that sounds so upsetting to me

[summer roost]

decide what degree you want to pursue, research what schools have the best program for that degree, and apply to some of them. Where "best" factors in things like location, instructor quality, class size, etc

[tribal falcon]

I dont know what to do I really need to get into this school... it's the only school I wanna go to

For my state I'd love to go out of state but I can't afford

Do u wanna know the name of the school

Ok be honest do y'all think I have a chance

Or am I just cooked

[summer roost]

no idea, but you're better off applying to multiple schools than just one

[tribal falcon]

Ok so my life isn't over

[summer roost]

definitely not - you're still very young

[tribal falcon]

Thank you all for listening to my story

[true harness]

schools will tell you exactly what they need when you apply to their school. it's up to you to find the requirements and comply with them. you should do research and write down what you need

[atomic pasture]

Heyy guys iam new Iam from India

I want learn data analysis some one can help me

[true harness]

And got my associates degree this December but the problem is my high school transcript has more course rigor but lower gpa 3.3
what you've done more recently will have more impact, especially if it's between high school and community college

I think only ivy leagues care about rigor
this is just not true

Let's say someone with an associates degree in communications and they get into a good school how is that possible surely that has had to happen before..
assuming you mean a STEM program here, they might have taken math courses that weren't required, or were able to demonstrate some significant skill through extracurriculars

[true harness]

@tribal falcon ^

[warm tree]

Anyone have a Linux tutorial?

[white relic]

Aren't you putting the cart way before the horse here? How can you know what school you want to go to if you don't even know what you want to study? What if the school doesn't have a good program you want to be in?

[white relic]

Try in off-topic

[white relic]

And if you don't know what you want to study, it's too early to be worrying about transfer credits, anyway

[warm tree]

Where’s that? I don’t see a channel under that name

[white relic]

!ot sorry, there are three

[inner wren]

Off-topic channel

#ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

Please read our off-topic etiquette before participating in conversations.

[warm tree]

Ohh thanks

[white relic]

that one will do

[fierce parrot]

i have a confession. i was a principal engineer in django - got burnt out on django. switched to a mid-level full stack engineer java job... now I hate my life. do I go back to django?

[peak halo]

how many years of experience did you have with django?

[fierce parrot]

9

[open ivy]

If my next job is a toxic environment I will have to know when to quit.

Too early, and it's like job hopping too much.

Too late, and I burnout and performance tanks. Note that this would be an emergency measure to preserve mental health.

I am guessing 6-12 months?

Note that I wouldn't burn out from being overworked. I would, preserving my mental health in the process, avoid that condition by disassociating. A very useful trauma survival skill. But it means my performance would not be as good.

I could stay at good performance for 6 months or so, if I had a definite end date and thought of it as a right of passage.

[balmy spade]

The correct time to quit a toxic work environment is the moment you have secured the next offer.

[smoky quest]

I wouldn't over think it. Cross the bridge when you get there

[open ivy]

People often say I am overthinking stuff.

But if I "go with the flow" too much, I will just waste time online and get deppressed, with the sense that I will never get a job.

I guess there is a balance.

[smoky quest]

I mean, you can always fill your time with made up scenario, but I would think there would be a more productive use of your time. Especially when what you think about is toxic workplaces

[open ivy]

That is true. It also goes the other way.

For example, when discussing my personal projects with others, some people invent made-up future-disaster scenerios where something fails about it. Like why can't I just have fun doing it and not worry that down the road there will be some disaster or that no one will care etc.

Has this happened to anyone else? It does make sense to anticipate the road ahead, but don't let boogeyman prevent you all from trying something novel.

[smoky quest]

for what purpose? The scenario you portray and imagine are pretty much guaranteed to never happen

[open ivy]

Yes so I don't know why people often think my personal projects could completely be worthless if there are problems that I encounter? Maybe it is sour grapes for them since they don't have any?

I am curious, how do you deal with "haters" for your personal projects? You make a good point that overthinking disasters is not a good habit to get into.

[smoky quest]

How does that relate to imagining a scenario of a toxic place that is guaranteed to never happen (not being toxic, but in the way it would happen)?

[open ivy]

It's a similar logical fallacy. I imagine bad future thing. They imagine bad future thing. In both cases, the extreme disaster is unlikely but a few bumps on the road are expected and don't sweat them too much.

[smoky quest]

And why would people hate on your personal projects?

[open ivy]

Because we all encounter people who dislike things that are different than the status quo. Thousands of years of manual farming, all over the world, has given us all a desire for sameness that we something have to break out of.

[smoky quest]

and so why do you care about what random people think?

[open ivy]

I shouldn't. But humans are social animals and animals have instincts.

It's like spicy food: An illusion of something painful is still painful. In a small farming village bieng hated on was a very dangerous situation.

But random haters online today does not mean much. It is fake, a hot pepper is not really thermally hot.

So it's an instinctual relic. But hard to shake.

[smoky quest]

sounds like you got your answer: learn to not care about what others think

[fringe sphinx]

"What Do You Care What Other People Think?": Further Adventures of a Curious Character https://a.co/d/ekPiet6

[open ivy]

How can you do this while staying compassionate and caring with others?

[fringe sphinx]

(Was an enjoyable read, altho colorful)

[balmy spade]

You can be kind and remove negativity from your life.

[smoky quest]

Why would they be opposed?

[open ivy]

This is difficult.

But I used a strategy of my own (am an curious if RecursiveError has a better strat): In no particular order.

1. Remind myself that I need not lash out at other commoners, they are not at fault for getting sucked into the Vortex.

2. Seek communities where there is a better balance.

3. Learn that some humans are super rigid and in that way it's like a brick wall. Strange, to think of people as sometimes bieng this way since they aren't machines. But it allows me to move on more easily.

4. Improve my "sales pitch" to get less haters.

5. Remind myself all the ways instincts can mislead me, since I do not have thousands of years of ancestry that lived with 2020 tech levels.

6. Take short breaks.

7. Avoid recreactional activities for a few minutes if a bought of deppression hits, these can be very intense but for minutes only (for me).

And other smaller points.

[smoky quest]

If I am asshole to you, would it make you not compassionate and caring with others if you ignore me?

[open ivy]

If people were a python script than def calulate_compassion(person:Person): would be a pure function that does not depend on other people not input into this function.

But we aren't and thus we are prone to lateral oppression. Just look at how people start treating each-other in a toxic environment (workplace, ghetto, etc).

Thankfully, I have a partial natural resistance to falling into this trap, which I am honing further since there is so much anger online. But I am not perfect.

[balmy spade]

Seems to be hitting multiple topics here. I'm a simple egg. If someone is a negative influence to me, I remove them from my sphere of influence. Quite simple.

[open ivy]

It was hard to do that in my previous environment (toxic and in-person). Since there were not that many people. Now with more stuff online and 10x more in-person people within 120 minutes travel time it is easer for me. Makes me sad that others aren't always so lucky.

[smoky quest]

the main thing here is to treat these as input. You don't have to follow order or believe in them. You only have to treat them as input and filter out or transform it

[open ivy]

Reminding myself of this helps. But it is still hard to break out of deppression completly, and I don't want to accidentally shut off compassion.

We are complex and it's hard to just "activate filter-out-toxic.exe".

[smoky quest]

I think you are looking at things the wrong way. None of these are in opposition to compassion. Also way out of topic comparing to #career-advice .

In terms of dealing with compassion and depression and how to relate to others, this would be better approached with a therapist if it is affecting your life.

[open ivy]

We need a more gentle path, I guess. Maybe another day I will talk more about it in another channel.

[fading barn]

Hi I'm not exactly the most skillful person on earth but I'm not giving up, I'm pretty young and only use Scratch at the time being (moving on to Roblox Studio) and I also thought Python would be a great part of my career. I'll soon be doing GCSES and don't know my career entirely... Any advice?

[heavy bramble]

hi (I would like to sincerely apologize for any mistakes or misunderstandings that might be caused by my flawed use of the English language. I understand that my writing or speaking might not be up to the expected standard in countries such as the United States of America, United kingdom, Australia, ect. and I regret any confusion or misunderstandings that may arise because of such knowledge i have not in fact reached. English is not my first language, and while I am constantly striving to improve, I know there is always room for growth. I truly appreciate your understanding and patience as I continue to learn and refine my english language skills. Your feedback and any corrections you offer are valuable to me for as long as i still experience existence of atoms and molecules in my body, as they help me become more proficient and confident in my communication. once more, I deeply apologize for any inconvenience my knowledgeable errors may have caused, and I thank you for your continued support till this point.)

[stone shoal]

Hello. Good day everyone

[gritty plume]

Hello

[brazen anvil]

Any1 get linkvertise premium ??

[wanton wind]

hello everyone, how do you think python can be used in devops, so far it has not been used, I would like to correct this assumption

[harsh river]

python is a common tool in devops

[wanton wind]

yes but i use it in ansible

are there any other tools where python is used and how to use it as efficiently as possible?

[white relic]

As many as you need to showcase your brilliance and no more

[peak halo]

is this something you wanted to send to the mods? please use @severe widget

[spice willow]

wait the guy using the slur is the one reporting something to the mods?

[peak halo]

it's not necessary to speculate about this.

[white relic]

3-6 maybe a good average number.

[small kite]

well hes the one that dmed me

[spice willow]

in any case just use @severe widget yeah

[peak halo]

please don't send a single additional message about this in this or any other channel. please only use @severe widget for this.

[fringe sphinx]

Advice? If you like programming, find a good tutorial (ask for advice in #python-discussion ) to learn the basics and do small projects that you find interesting (also, ask for ideas). Learning programming is something to learn over time, not something you need to grind out, so have fun with it and ask lots of questions

[fading barn]

Thank you :D

[cobalt harbor]

I'm 15 can i even get a remote job UK

[harsh river]

not really.

[cobalt harbor]

oh,

[wicked gazelle]

hi, looking for advice from freelancers, i studied web development basic front end (CSS/Html no js) and back end with flask and Mysql no ORM also learned how i can host a website on a VPS using docker, i'm looking to work on small projects to get some $ for a while then i can advance my skill set thinking i'll learn fastapi next, maybe svelt for fullstack projects in the future.
anyway i worked a few gigs before on fiverr as front end just css html, but didn't wanna go there again i want that to be a last resort so i made an upwork profile and started looking for jobs but i cant find any jobs that fit my skillset.
thinking of looking for other freelance websites but the whole search on upwrok got me thinking am i even in a right path?

[fast fossil]

so you had some success on Fiverr and you decided to ditch that?

[wicked gazelle]

i wouldn't call it success and it wasn't back end it was html css design based on figma / photoshop thing for like 5$ (i did like 3 or 4 jobs was a long time ago before i learned python and flask) i want to work back end it feels right for me and don't want to go back to fiverr cause i didn't really like it, i want to look for other or better options if i cant find or fiverr is the best option i would go back and try there yea

[fast fossil]

mmm, there is this option of getting a full/part time job

[fringe sphinx]

The next step is to try to find direct clients who have bigger needs. That's how I grew my consulting and contract dev business: by looking for problems I could solve

[wicked gazelle]

locally no (working on fiverr with $5 per gig would pay better honestly hhh) and other than that not sure if i'm qualified for fulltime jobs online

[wicked gazelle]

do you mean on fiverr or where would you look for clients

[lone kelp]

sohow you all learn python like i have been learning for a month now and my brain only really remembers how to do print("") ot the if stuff so yea i feel stupid and dumm as fuck right now

[pure merlin]

I am looking for partner who can develop x bot with me.

[fast fossil]

What does your learning entail? How many beginner projects have you created already?

[cobalt harbor]

You're stuck in tutorial/learning hell Ig

[spice willow]

There's a learning curve obviously, you'll get over it as you code more

[fringe sphinx]

I mean in real life: talking to friends, family, friends of family, etc. if you want to go in business for yourself, you need to talk to people

[fringe sphinx]

Ask questions in #python-discussion . Ask lots of questions to make sure you understand what you're doing: this is the most efficient way to learn.

[lone kelp]

I understand the code I feel like I just don't know how to type it like if I look at code it's easy to know what dose what but when I m supposed to code something my typos or I just don't know where to start or what to type for this and this outcome

[smoky quest]

Do small exercises like leetcode/codingame to practice the fundamentals of writing code. And then expand over time to full blown projects

[lone kelp]

I have done these things a few times now but seam to be stuck with no progress

[smoky quest]

are you able to solve leetcode medium on your own, without looking up anything (including chatgpt), in less than 20min?

[fringe sphinx]

(They just started a month ago, they said)

[smoky quest]

(I thought you would have realized by now that I already know the answers to most of my questions)

[fast fossil]

What would be your response when they inevitably say "no"? I don't quite understand the point of that question

[smoky quest]

Two main points:

• It's a nice and easy filter for engagement. I am not gonna write a book of an answer if I am gonna be left on read
• In short, it's more productive to lead people to the answer through pointed questions than giving an answer directly. It helps take apart their thought process, assumptions and objections. And sometimes, you do get surprised by some answer, which helps you course correct rather than talking past each others.

Had they replied no, it would have been an opportunity to realize that their bar for "have done" is lower than what it should be and to dig further into where and how they get stuck.

And given they did not follow up, it has saved me time and energy in avoiding listing all the possible ways in which one might get stuck and guessing and making assumptions about their situation

[fair token]

So the point is seeing what they’d do not why

[tribal falcon]

How do I increase my earning potential im 21 and have $60,000 in savings

[fringe sphinx]

We talked at length about this. It seems you're not interested in a career in tech, right?

[tribal falcon]

Yes

[fringe sphinx]

Then this is really the wrong server to ask for advice for non tech related careers or life advice. We talked about nursing yesterday, but this is certainly the wrong place to ask about careers in nursing.

[tribal falcon]

Oh ok

Sorry I'll stop asking then I hope you are not mad at me

[fringe sphinx]

Not mad, I want you to get good advice from people who have the relevant experience. Seek advice from people who have experience in the field you're interested in.

For example, maybe start here for nursing: https://www.reddit.com/r/nursing/

[smoky quest]

also financial literacy, while distinct from career, will help you increase your earning potential

[true harness]

an extra 5000 since a few days ago?

[molten shore]

Can anyone give me some python projects to work on
I have just completed a cs50 course

I like math and physics too,
I'd be happy to write some code there anyway can i get an internship perhaps?

[vapid jay]

guys

[near ocean]

Here? In general?

[molten shore]

Yes

[near ocean]

Yes to which one

[thorny sandal]

hello guys how can i learn pythin in core

python

[karmic stirrup]

What is the best plan to learn Python?

[molten shore]

That one

[cobalt harbor]

If i volunteer for something digitally like on the internet can i use it in CV's and College and Uni Applications?

[thorny sandal]

i want too learn core python

where i can start from

[buoyant seal]

CVs are written fully at your own discretion. If it is worthy for your resume, then add
Can't say about college/uni applications, such practice is not present in my country or I did not see it (I mean text applications do not exist at all in my country for those two)

[cobalt harbor]

Oh

[harsh river]

<@&831776746206265384>

[fringe yacht]

lol

[royal radish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqSA-SY5Hro&list=RDEMYEDI-kajloeVnnqMuX9GgQ&start_radio=1&rv=oK5dWQS03F8

[peak halo]

@royal radish this is the career discussion channel. you can discuss country music and political commentary in one of the three off-topic channels.

@thick hinge I removed your message for containing recruitment, which is not allowed.

[peak hill]

Hi guys

Im new here how can you talk in the vcs

[peak halo]

see #voice-verification. there are requirements that you must meet; you will be banned from the voice chat if you spam to meet the requirements.

[peak hill]

Oh damn 3 Days💀

[peak hill]

Ty for the help

[open ivy]

The more unfair the world is, the more interesting and useful ideas and prototypes are neglected.

In a fair world, if someone has a better algorithm, they will be rewarded. But if you think "life isn't fair" is accurate, then this isn't necessarily true.

By looking to the margins of computer programmer society, you can find ideas few others know about. What can we all learn from them?

[arctic iron]

Hey, is it possible to build a drag and drop kind of thing for implementing backend as we can do drag and drop to build frontend applications

[open ivy]

Drag and drop is useful for the tool heavy world and backend is very tool heavy (as opposed to algorithm heavy). So it would be possible to build a tool, and since backend is a very well-trodden path it has probably been done a dozen times. Which tool would best suit you?

Ask around in #tools-and-devops and someone will recommend something.

[peak halo]

yes, but if drag and drop really were easier, that's what developers would use instead of code.

[open ivy]

They often don't use full-fledged code.

Remember that most "configuration as code" such as Terraform is using a highly simplified language. Because it is simplified it is limited in ways that Python, Haskell, C++, Java(script), Go, etc are not. For example, how would you write Tetris or Conway's life in Terraform?

The next logical step of such a simplification is to make a graphical interface. That is what AWS/Axure/etc provides in their console but it's user-friendliness is nothing to write home about.

Sure, anything that is not working in a general purpose language (i.e. Python + boto3) is limited. But in a tool heavy world where just using tools the way they are supposed to be used is difficult (due to them being very complex) these limitations can help keep people on the rails.

If you have any questions post them in #tools-and-devops

[opaque cipher]

is there a way to make comissions from python
i used to do a different coding language and there was communties where there was comssions n stuff where youd do jobs for them for in game/ irl currency or gift carss

[fringe sphinx]

Fiverr and upwork perhaps?

[opaque cipher]

yeah but i feel like fiverr is a bit dead no? and what is upwork never heard of it

[fringe sphinx]

What communities did you see that were significantly active in other langs/platforms?

[opaque cipher]

they are discord servers called
HiddenDev
RSC

theese r the 2 main ones i can think of and ppl would have protfolios set up there n stuff and make alot of cash
hiddendevs and RSC are roblox developing communties that uses the coding language called "LUAU/LUA" ppl would make such tasks as inventory systems or combat systems or algorithms ect for there customers and there customers would pay the person making with whats acceptable on there protfolio

sorry if i judged fiverr to quickly but i dont rlly see it as somthing really mainly for coding since theres multiple other sections in it of other stuff ;-;

oh wow

then that mean the market is actually alive and thriving but in a bad way aswell for new programmers

idk i still dont really like fiver 😭 i was really comftrable on how the system worked when i used to program on lua
especially after you said how people are really advanced and have the upperhand

well am not gonna go to comission anytime soon though since am relatively new to this language i was just curious to ask ill just make money from my other language 😼

[balmy spade]

There were people more skilled than you yesterday. Why does your outlook have to change today?

[opaque cipher]

outlook as in view?

[balmy spade]

Yes.

[opaque cipher]

i mean nothing really changed or demotivated me am still gonna program?
am still relatively new to even do fiverr and comissons
i was just curious to ask

in what

i didnt say i want to make money i was just asking how the system works bc am curious if i did want to make money id just go to the language i have a year for now i just want to take my time in python and have fun develop projects and make as many mistakes as i can and learn from them and try to do big leaps with projects and try to hopefully not stop and try to atleast be consistent with atleast 15 mintues a day

ty

[balmy spade]

I've never explored the commission space of python (or any other language). I've done commissioned work but only through word-of-mouth and within a circle of known friends. I've done contract work but, again, that was all word-of-mouth and through colleagues.

The game mod and dev world is a slightly different atmosphere than where I usually work.

[shrewd ginkgo]

hey im a semi beginner, having completed my gcse NEA code but am now looking for a further learning, what should my next prodject be ?

[soft void]

hey guys, looking for some help with CSS. should be simple. can someone help me?

[near ocean]

not in #career-advice , try #ot1-perplexing-regexing

[soft void]

thanks

[outer rivet]

Just got my AWS Cloud Practitioner Certification last week. I wasn't ever going to get a real chance to use cloud at work, and I know lots of companies are looking for cloud experience, so I guess it might help for applications? At the very least, I can put a whole bunch of AWS tools on my resume. Already planning to talk with a recruiter (from a company where I failed the interview with back in August) in January, and their whole IT infrastructure is AWS. I know I only got the basic cert, but honestly, it's better than nothing.

Wish me luck...

[trim garden]

wish the best for you

[spark hornet]

If I fail the technical interview but have a good personality will they hire me?

[peak halo]

only if every single other candidate that they interview does worse.

[spark hornet]

what are those chances?

[peak halo]

if you did as badly as you alluded to, then they're probably close to none.

[spark hornet]

So what now

[peak halo]

keep applying

[spark hornet]

If this keeps happenning then im wasting my time

[summer roost]

and learn from your mistakes

[peak halo]

can you show your anonymized resume in this chat?

[summer roost]

if you keep failing technical interviews, you're applying for jobs that are above your current skill level

[spark hornet]

they are entry level...

[summer roost]

then you may not yet have the skills required for an entry level position

but - what do you mean by "failing"?

[spark hornet]

Whats does this mean? anonymized

[peak halo]

remove your name, phone number, email address, and anything that could be used to uniquely identify you in the real world.

[spark hornet]

Like idk how to program it well and there are syntax errors everywhere. Maybe the logic is good but thats about it

[summer roost]

oh. Yeah - sounds like you're not ready for a job yet

[spark hornet]

im about to graduate tho

[summer roost]

they're hiring people to write code that solves their problems, though - it doesn't matter that you're about to graduate if you can't write code that solves their problems

[spark hornet]

What if i told them I am eager to learn

[summer roost]

they'd probably wonder why you haven't learned already, given that you've had 4 years of university already

[spark hornet]

Hey at least I have a good personality

[gritty rivet]

Then maybe you should apply for sales jobs

[spark hornet]

Tru

[gritty rivet]

You have some technical background... If sales appeals to you, that background will be an asset in relevant roles

[spark hornet]

damn

[summer roost]

or, practice and get better at programming. Maybe try Advent of Code - the problems it gives are fairly similar to the ones you might get in interviews

[wanton birch]

Does hiring slow down in December?

[smoky quest]

indeed it does

[true harness]

everything slows down

[warm parcel]

I love this month, I can just clear my backlog

[weak kindle]

How many backlogs?

[warm parcel]

I was at around 30 tickets in the beginning of the month and almost done with all.

[gloomy yoke]

Hey Im 16yr old, beginner here, I have learnt basics of python and Im in commerce student planning to take BCA in college and meanwhile taking a good course for data science/analysis. Is this path good or any better alternative

[past siren]

Guys what is the best python IDE for iphone (which I can download packages in without paying for a premium version)

[lethal junco]

there's pyto IDE, it's paid but does have a free trail. Also Juno and Libterm. Both are free, except that Juno has in-app purchases while libterm doesn't

[burnt glade]

Hey guys!

[boreal dirge]

hello

[burnt glade]

I notice how python so easier to
Learn so quickly! Is just the ways and tricks you can use it, became a masterpiece at it

[regal axle]

Sounds great! … too bad that some items in my backlog can only be solved during this month since everyone else isn’t working … yay … so it’s more like intense “crunch” for me. It’s ok, I’ll take time off after I’m done. Probably. Maybe.

[harsh river]

that "Probably. Maybe." hurts

[warm parcel]

I'm building a new backlog for the next month since everyone I would need to progress more important tasks are away for the next 1-2 weeks.

Of course when they come back to work I will have all those tasks as priority 1 because I'm a wizard that can stop the flow of time to work on these things.

[odd cairn]

Hey everyone I have a program called pyrich

I teach python and how to earn from it DM me let's get you started

If you have any questions you could ask here be willing to know your thoughts 🤔

[fleet reef]

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[inner wren]

Rules

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9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[odd cairn]

Ooo okay sorry about that

[warm merlin]

hey guys

a question about my career , so im a fy cs student and i have almost mastered front end development, now i will go towards the backend part to become a full stack, but is full stack really going to be worth it when i graduate in 2028? or should i get into another stream which is aiml because the council i am in is all about aiml and i will have to learn ml in my fy to be a part of it, so should i make my main stream to be aiml or full stack web dev?

[buoyant seal]

Frontend development is common choice for online course people. One of easiest to enter type of development considered.
Not really recommending tbh for cs graduate to go frontend, because you can do more than that within full education, and because it will be hard to stand out.

Fullstack is better, but people tend to be having alignment who they are frontend devs, or backend devs first regardless of their full stackness. So again, u could be actually frontend dev under the hood if u will pursue full stack development too much.
You could become vauable dev in this direction though, viable enough direction in comparison to frontend.

It would be simpler to aim for more complicated directions like just backend development, data engineering, devops engineering, mobile (with some desktop development in addition)

[buoyant seal]

aiml is very hypish, not really good in terms of job security. Data engineering powering aiml is more secure choice. (and on top of that building aiml if desiring)

full stack development as i mentioned u could do, but i would warn that... current "web frontend" development is very messy node.js based situation. it can be not very fulfilling at all to go into this direction.
It is not known for code quality at all, more like for always not code quality usually

rolling with backend development only / or just going to different direction can be more fullfilling in terms of achievable code quality and dev sanity to maintain result
Because web frontend development is locked onto js/ts only. While other directions like backend, data engineering, mobile,desktop have far more language choices, or at least not js choices

[buoyant seal]

Within normal areas of software development, not related to web js frontend, you are more likely to encounter usage of higher quality languages (if u will be desiring to switch to them), u are more likely to have all the code properly auto tested with unit tests. That alone makes development easy breathy (or at least sanely possible) because u have thousands easy entrypoint to start development of a specific features for a specific local part of a code, and having always up to date documented as a code how to work with a specific code. Smth u are very unlikely to encounter in a current modern web frontend js

TLDR: my advice to learn unit testing
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#TestDrivenDevelopmentByExample
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#UnitTestingPrinciplesPracticesandPatterns
And other code quality stuff properly https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#CodeCompleteAPracticalHandbookofSoftwareConstruction
if u aim at least working in fully fledged software development roles, and using those things to achieve sane to extend and maintain code bases 😋
As your expertise will grow in code quality and architecture, this solid fundamental basis on unit testing will make a pretty managable code base to work with.
And picking job roles more likely to use it, than not using it (at least if your aim for job roles more among lines of a regular software development)

Being Not in web frontend development will mean u will learn common tricks and knowledge to this area of development regardless of a language you are using. You will have a choice to transition smoothly enough to different languages and having better fulfillment from using what u wish.
(Because u will need only relearn how to apply language X to same area of experise you already acquired, instead of starting from complete zero)

While being in web frontend development can make you with good chance stuck with it for your entire career working with node.js. Some people manage to learn several specializations of course, but still it will be hard to move out of web frontend and not every person can do that

[warm merlin]

so what do you suggest, should i switch my mainstream focus to software dev, i will still learn full stack web, as its my hobby but I also need a stream that pays good and will make my next four years worth it

[buoyant seal]

should i switch my mainstream focus to software dev
=> i advice if u pick software dev related job roles, learn them to code properly with learning stuff for code quality (unit testing yay)
i will still learn full stack web
web development is good and in high demand. My advice is just not concentrating onto web frontend development. If u will discover you absolutely love web frontend for some reason, then pick anyway
as its my hobby but I also need a stream that pays good and will make my next four years worth it
Since you are still in university, my advice is actually just to try different job role areas and picking the one u like more to work with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6rP-YP4c5I
My Extra advice on this topic, being careful and not getting overly excited from smth being too easy in the beginning, which could be too easy only in begining, but in a long way this job role/software development area could be having difficult code quality problems incuring less fullfillment for devs in this area (Hint hint onto web frontend development stuck with working only with js/ts and rarely having unit testing present)

[warm merlin]

woah you are so professional, have u graduated already?

[hearty island]

my office has reinstated an RTO policy, 2 days a week starting april. 1 day a week in march.

people are going insane, they're saying they're gonna leave

i'm like great dawg, more job opps for me 🙂

[buoyant seal]

yup. I am backend dev/devops engineer https://darklab8.github.io/blog/index.html
I love to find things that make software development as comfortable as possible for devs.
(p.s. for some time i worked with web js frontend too... i just prefer to approach it from backend dev point of view at this time)

[warm merlin]

sheesh

[warm merlin]

dang bro i hope i reach ur level of knowledge till my last year

[hearty island]

i'm an internal consultant at a financial regulatory firm 🗿

[warm merlin]

crazy yall got jobs

[hearty island]

hang on lemme show you how ridiculous my job search was

[warm merlin]

my sem 1 finished and i only know html css python js react

[warm merlin]

the thing that this gona be me in 4 years

how do u even apply to 4000 jobs manually

[hearty island]

pain. just pain.

[warm merlin]

did u put it through a bot or u manually applied to 4000

[hearty island]

manual

[warm merlin]

via linked in?

[hearty island]

mostly, yea. i avoided easy apply a lot

[warm merlin]

oh crazy when did u graduate

[hearty island]

may 2024 🙂. got my job in june, started july.

[warm merlin]

ohh shii cool bro congrats

[hearty island]

thx!

[warm merlin]

np

[hearty island]

i was one of the only kids in my undergrad degree to get an fte job... shit was insane

[warm merlin]

aura++++

[hearty island]

i also recommend doing as many internships as you can

[warm merlin]

how hard was the interview, whjere there also any coding rounds

[warm merlin]

yeah im applying through some on solvearn, but i only know much of frontend and python

[hearty island]

iirc it was 3 interviews, no coding. but the final round was a case study.

[warm merlin]

wooa 😯

[wanton birch]

Any of you ever worked in academia?

I feel like the more time I spend in it, the less companies might want to hire me

[buoyant seal]

https://mastery.games/post/flexboxzombies2/
Fair enough would be to say that some web frontend devs are so awesome that they make such useful and graphical online game to learn CSS flexboxes for example 😅
Web frontend is attractive for ability to make pretty things
it is just very hard to make in a good quality and maintainable.

[warm merlin]

frontend is like english, you never get full marks

[buoyant seal]

And the same js/ts frontend devs made the most universal and free to use vscode IDE 😅 (Visual Studio Code)
Through electron approach

[warm merlin]

wow but through javascript only, how

[buoyant seal]

they initially made it with js, but remade with typescript
https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/tree/main
electron is basically application of a mini browser, making possible desktop apps being built with same means as web frontend.
Those devs are high grade enough to manage implementing auto testing and all possible related quality to implement in a sane way

[warm merlin]

smart

[cinder osprey]

Had some interviews. No job. I need to add my Github to it and mention that I'm working on Security + certification.

[peak halo]

@cinder osprey Under Freelance Software Engineer, give at least some examples of what tasks you trained models for and what kind of data you generated. And don't say that you demonstrated "deep expertise" in data management--say what you did that involved data management. I would also delete the last bullet.

It looks like your bullet points for Business Analyst I and Internship are the same and that the analyst position was a full-time continuation of the internship. Listing the same stuff twice probably comes off as very strange to readers of your resume, and is a waste of space. I would just list them as one position. You can say Internship May 2023 - Aug 2023, Full-time Aug 2023 - Feb 2024

[astral dock]

Hey, I was wondering if by starting my own website and creating a coding blog with daily updated projects of my machine learning engineering and data science journey, I would be able to find more career opportunities

[near ocean]

Is this deja vu?

[harsh river]

hi senior

[vast mirage]

Hi

[graceful bolt]

Anyone here worked in BIM?

[vast mirage]

I am learning python and data science.

[dull belfry]

HI,Takashi kindly go to upwork

[vast mirage]

Why statistics is so difficult

[dull belfry]

math?

[vast mirage]

Yes

Just doing EDA thing these days

[cinder osprey]

I got an a in every type of mathematics except for statistics. It’s just ridiculously hard for some reason.

[buoyant seal]

!rule ad paid , <@&831776746206265384>

[inner wren]

Rules

The rules and guidelines that apply to this community can be found on our rules page. We expect all members of the community to have read and understood these.

[rancid hawk]

hey guy's

[dull belfry]

hi

[thick widget]

i learned how to code in python, javascript, c#, html, css... but rn i'm almost giving up for a tech career until i start a graduation, after a bunch of applies on some jobs i think the industry will not take someone without a graduation, i was thinking about pay to join a random university just to get a job, but i think the best will be to study to try to join a good university course here instead joining a random one, i was thinking about try to develop projects that solve real world problems and monetize to get money from my code skills, but i cant figure out what people would pay for... for people curious about my skills: https://diegolima.vercel.app/projects.html, i think i'll be 1 year off doing some random work to get money and studying to get in a university, when i get inside one i back to job applications, i dont know if this is the right move but the industry dont looks friendly for a no-graduated person getting a junior position

[merry pond]

if I have a random object foo can I always just do foo.bar = "baz" or cna you somehow overwrite this functionality?

[merry pond]

I doubt you need a degree but if you don't, you need to be fucking good and be able to show that with proejcts. And that doesn't mean your basic tutorial made thing but something proper. Alternatively show that you participated in (open source) projects. Going the entrepreneurial route is probably the wrong approach: You just create stuff without the though of money in your mind. It's to proof your skills.

So you can go and get a degree, maybe you can also just go and get a bunch of random certificates? No idea.

You can also just try freelancing on one of the hundred freelancing portals.

IF you really really really wanna go the entrepreneurial route: indiehacker.com and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIZ_MXutC0o

also "a bunch of applications" isn't a lot. try 50-100 and then reevaluate.

[harsh river]

#python-discussion for these sort of questions, this is for career discussion.

[vapid jay]

So at the moment I’m self teaching myself programming for my own purposes. However, it has sparked my interest potentially making this a career as I feel this is coming naturally. I currently work at a restaurant, granted it’s a good one but still not a path I want to go down forever I’m 22. Anyways atm im learning python but then moving into full stack / UI UX.
Is this enough to get a paying career out of? And how does one even get into these jobs? I don’t know anyone in the industry

[peak halo]

the path of least resistance that most people use and find success in is to get a CS degree. In addition to the course work, you'll get opportunities to build skills and network with employers in ways that wouldn't be available to you otherwise.

[vapid jay]

What does CS even entail?

[peak halo]

you learn how to program and about software design techniques. and the theory of algorithms and what problems they can solve. and some stuff about hardware as it pertains to writing programs.

[open ivy]

New term: "networked outcast". In programming that means all of these must be true:

1. Longstanding passion for programming, lasting for years at least.
2. Continues to work on complex personal projects, and/or help out with open source projects. Freely talks about said projects if given the chance.
3. Activity builds and maintains relationships with other people particularly other programmers.
4. Flexible as to the specific job, and willing to work.
5. Long-term unemployed and open-to-work, despite no other obvious red flags. Say for at least 6 months.

I have never heard of these people existing. The "networking doesn't work" stories are confusing a single coffee date with two-way, mutual benefit relationship building. If you actually build relationships, it seems to always work.

I have all boxes checked except the "long term" part. If my relationship building strat fails for another year, I will be one of these outcasts. Because these people seem so rare, I will host a 1 hour AMA session on Winter Solstice 2025 if I remember or am reminded. If instead I succeed, I can still briefly mention how I succeeded.

Does anyone out there consider yourself a "networked outcast"?

[burnt glade]

Hey!

[devout zenith]

I am for 2 years come Jan 2025

[open ivy]

Are you building relationships with programmers, over a period of time, with repeated interactions? For example I have two weekly VC discord groups in gamedev. (and friendships with non-programmers doesn't hurt).

[devout zenith]

Have a best friend who is retired programmer

Working a package for V Language to learn the language.

Have one client that I do work for on the side to support his website business

[open ivy]

Can your friend link you to other people? Do you participate in any weekly/biweekly meetups (online or in-person)?

A project to "learn a language" is good for a secondary project (Cloud is my secondary). Expanding your knowledge in a domain your are new to. Do you also have a complex, involved project in a language you know very well?

[devout zenith]

No weekly/biweekly meetups that I know of.

Looking to make V a static typed language be my primary language outside Python

[open ivy]

Knowing a statically typed language is a good idea.

[devout zenith]

Know many computer languages

Fortran, Assembler, RPG, COBOL, C, C#, Pascal, Smalltalk, Python and Java(which I hate)

[open ivy]

What is your most complex project? Not "complexity for complexities sake". I mean tackling a difficult problem. Where even with simplifications it requires lots of thinking, refactoring, data-structure design, etc.

[devout zenith]

Probably the optimizing/rewrite of the processing of insurance policy matching system about 9 years ago

That was in done in C#

[open ivy]

I see. That is quite complex buisness code.

I am currently working on a physics simulation (game physics). I plan on making it fully-featured (as much as bullet) and it uses a different approach to resolving collisions and rigid-body motion than standard engines such as bullet. There is quite a bit of math. I also plan on writing domain-specific compilers using Python's AST library to allow for both human-friendly and machine-friendly (performant) code.

I still think your 9 years old project is a bit more complex still.

[devout zenith]

Got a Master's degree in data science for AI/ML work got a job doing that for two years before I was laid off none that was real complex. Currently don't do any gamedev. Most messy work was project migrating requirements from internal system to cloud based system 4 different languages were involved. Sometimes I would get my syntax confused when switching languages.

[valid geode]

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[vapid jay]

But you think it’s how difficult if it was scaled out of 10 without an official degree.

Could a portfolio and maybe some certifications work?

[smoky quest]

Think about it this way:

• Degree is easy mode
• Without a degree is extreme hardcore difficulty

[errant thicket]

i see mate but why does so many people say i got a cs degree and couldn’t land a job?

[smoky quest]

Two things at play here:

• If it is difficult for people with a degree and have studied it full time, every day, for 4-5 years, how difficult would it be for someone who has not done that? Far more!
• By definition, you will hear far more complaints from people who have not found a job than people who have

[smoky quest]

That's one of the worst career advice one might give

[ashen wraith]

 def function_name(parameters):
    # Code block (function body)
    return value  # Optional

Is this code a good example for how functions work in python or programming in general?

[ashen wraith]

I agree with you but could you explain why?

[smoky quest]

Two main things:

• This is a decision that will follow your whole life and has a huge magnitude in terms of impact
• A degree remains the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

The distinction here is about a job. These paths are different and do not lead to the same outcomes (ie. same jobs)

The discussions here can affect people livelihood and career. This is not a channel for shitposting or giving bad advice

What experience do you have?

[warm parcel]

In my experience right now having a degree helps with HR/AI not throwing your application straight to the bin.

[smoky quest]

Note I do absolutely deny what you said 🙂

[pine sleet]

its not uncommon for your resume to not even get looked at by a person if you don't have a degree. but beside that, you're discrediting the amount of work that goes into getting one

so saying "it's just a piece of paper" is not really the whole story

its similar to telling anyone who's received a medal or trophy for some achievement that it doesn't mean anything because its just a piece of metal. its about what it signifies

not really, though. the majority of people working in the SWE field have a CS degree so in that particular metric it's not really diverse. mostly everyone does the same thing

[smoky quest]

not really. There is no equivalence. The degree path leads to far more opportunities and compensation, while the other leads to lower opportunities and compensation.
As such, these are no equivalent paths

[pine sleet]

i dont think they ever said there were no alternatives

[harsh river]

I'm just speaking from experience.
so you've gotten a CS / SWE job without a degree?

to be clear: i'm not saying there's no other path, i took an alternative path and have a SWE role without a degree, so it's definitely possible.

but i wouldn't recommend it.

[smoky quest]

I never said there is no alternative.
I only said that the paths of degree and self teaching are not equivalent. They lead to different outcomes

[harsh river]

it's definitely possible, but i wouldnt recommend it, it's not for everyone and it makes the road taken much more difficult.

[harsh river]

it's like starting a game in ultra hard mode.

[kindred oyster]

(just FYI , almost every single time i have thought myself as "built different" , turns out , i am not . You just realize it a bit too late when the damage has been done )

[devout zenith]

In 1982-83 graduated with Associate degree got hired by a small software consulting business. Couldn’t afford to get a Bachelor degree at the time. By 1987 the small company went bankrupt and had to look for new job. Nobody would interview me without a Bachelor’s degree even though I had experience working. Fortunately I was living near town that had a 4 year degree programs. Once I graduated in 1990 the doors opened and I got interviews no problem.

Roll forward today now can’t even get interviews even with vast experience. Business are stupid from what I can see.

[peak halo]

!cleanban 1171837714291761233 clearly you are only here to solicit a business relationship.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @thick hinge permanently.

[thick widget]

being on the side of no degree, for me looks like the HR/AI don't even look my cv, I can't get a single interview and when sent my cv to a HR guy, that was helping some ppl, he said my cv was good but the industry need someone with a degree, I already give up, next year I'll take a random common job and study to get into a good univ because this run of no degree is definitely hard, harder than join a random university

[devout zenith]

Same experience from 1980's. Some jobs want Master's degree and/or PhD's

[dull belfry]

where can i get remote jobs or internships

why can u explain there are like tons of junior roles remote ones on linkedin??

[true harness]

just anecdata, but most of my friends are in remote positions. out of like 7ish, 5 are fully remote

[dull belfry]

i did but idk how legit these jobs are.. so was confirming here and is there any other platform than linkedin

[lapis wind]

Normally I just look at Indeed or LinkedIn, although It's been a while since I've looked through there

[median coyote]

hey guys, which one is better in ur opinion for back end, typescript with node js or python with django?

[lapis wind]

Are you asking this as what to learn or what to use for a project?

[vapid jay]

is aws ai practitioner exam worthit

[balmy spade]

Worth it for what?

If the AI Practitioner cert is anything like the other practitioner certs, it's good knowledge if you are working in an AWS powered shop. The cert doesn't go deep into how to use the cloud solutions but it does cover why and when you would use them.

Is it worth it? That depends on what you seek to achieve with it.

[vapid jay]

not working but thinking about it

[median coyote]

to learn

[digital fjord]

I would expect that you'll be happy with either choice.

[lapis wind]

I mean I would learn both Typescript and Python

[median coyote]

oh really

and like for exemple should i use typescript even if im learning the fundamentals ?

From what I’ve researched, it seems like it could be beneficial for me, as TypeScript helps strengthen my JavaScript skills, improves code quality, and prepares me for more complex projects in the future.

[lapis wind]

I think learning typescript is good because it'll teach you about static typing and force some good habbits

[median coyote]

so there's no problem starting to implement TypeScript even while im still learning the fundamentals of JavaScript, right?

[lapis wind]

not really

[median coyote]

and like would u start first learning, ts/node or python/django

[crimson summit]

hey guys i have a question what can job can a teenager get when he or she has learned python

[lapis wind]

Idk why you are brining django into the mix, it isn't equivalent to node

[median coyote]

cuz python without django for back end is basically useless

[lapis wind]

a job at a local shop/supermarket or retail job

[crimson summit]

for real you got anyone for online?

[lapis wind]

nodejs isn't a webframework, and there is more than just Django

[median coyote]

node js is a must, if u wanna do back end with js.

[lapis wind]

no one is going to reasonably hire a teenager for actual programming jobs

[crimson summit]

Yeah true but...

[lapis wind]

I mean no, but nodejs is a runtime it is a must because you can't run the code

[median coyote]

exactly

[crimson summit]

how do these relate to Python?

[lapis wind]

It is like saying typescript/node and python/cypython

[median coyote]

and python with django as well especially for large projects.

[lapis wind]

they dont, but they're the most common jobs accessable to teens

[crimson summit]

oh so basically there's no way for a teen to earn money through programming

[lapis wind]

Django is just a framework, it isn't the only one and only one of many you'd see in the real world, Don't get too fixated on it while you're learning

[lapis wind]

Not really, no proper programming related job is going to higher teenagers

[median coyote]

for back end django is one of the most popular for back end if not the most popular.

fast api is also really good

[lapis wind]

You are tunnel visioning a bit too much about frameworks and less about learning the language and good fundamentals

[median coyote]

so would u start with typescript or with python?

[crimson summit]

well i will start with python

[lapis wind]

Either works, i'd probably lean a bit towards Python because it doesn't have some of the more janky things in it.

[median coyote]

i almost finished the fundamentals the thing is that i cant really decide between typescript and python 💀

[crimson summit]

am also learning java tho

[fleet iris]

Javascript

[median coyote]

u are learning java and python at the same time ?!💀

[median coyote]

u said typescript?

[fleet iris]

What's wrong

[crimson summit]

Well if you put it that way... yh😅

but java haven't grasped yet cause it's quite complex

[median coyote]

Learning Java and Python at the same time is generally not recommended, especially if you're still a beginner, for several reasons. but yh if u wanna learn them at the same time u will do it ig .

its possible but not recommended for sure

[median coyote]

thats why u should focus on one of them

[crimson summit]

although i already learned Python before and understand it fully to some extent

[median coyote]

oh alr

[crimson summit]

yh but am still good in java also

have used java to create the interface of a vehicle info system

[median coyote]

and which one do u prefer ?

[crimson summit]

python bro😅

[median coyote]

cuz its easier ?

[crimson summit]

yh it is have used Python to plot a graph:

[buoyant seal]

• Python Django is highly likely better if your responsibility is to develop backend ONLY.
• if under your own responsibility to develop both Backend and Modern JS Frontend, then consider typescript to utilize. It could be simpler solution due to easier code reusage and data structs reusage, and it will simplify code for communications a lot

[median coyote]

so typescript it could be simpler solution due to easier code reusage?

[glass silo]

develop backend ONLY
FastAPI?

[glass silo]

build maintainable frontend components in ts

javascript does not have types, so additional mental overhead remembering stuff

[buoyant seal]

Yes. There is power in using single same language both for backend and frontend.
I get very enjoyable results using Golang both for backend, and rendering with Templ for frontend.
Makes things super duper easy. Templ is allowing to write html/css stuff with static typing, as i can reuse same data structs of golang to render stuff ^_^
https://github.com/darklab8/fl-darkstat/blob/4751a21f2d2ba80f8e0ba2d2df9901789e7ef196/darkstat/front/ammo.templ#L54 i literally use same data structs to print html pages, having easy easy access to all attributes. All is validated on Compile time! (and with Vscode ide integration for templ, i see all mistakes before runtime)

[median coyote]

so for just back u guys think that python with djando would be better than typescript ?

[median coyote]

didnt know u could do it with GO

[glass silo]

which role are you looking for?
I would suggest not to look only for backend, go with full-stack
and for full-stack you need typescript & javascript

[glass silo]

how transferable is templ to a recruiter

[median coyote]

im looking for back end, and cybersecurity

[buoyant seal]

Projects in Go will be just accounted as Golang portfolio.
Templ is literally golang code pretty much under the hood, so it will count as another golang stuff.
obviously projects in Go with Templ will benefit the most Goland Backend devs 😏 Although they could benefit other web development related job roles as well

[glass silo]

I don't see a lot of golang jobs, most are java/javascript

[buoyant seal]

Golang is only raising in its popularity and its market share from country to country varies yeah.
For that reason i dive into Java as well next, for more market share capture
It is still very enjoyable to use Golang and so much productive 😋 i love it (Because i am clean code fanatic). I will try to find job with it regardless of their smaller amount

[glass silo]

we know that they are, but if their background is just ts/js, they might not know that templ is a thing
it's fine I like golang too

[median coyote]

Java is really good there are a lot of jobs

[glass silo]

go for it

[buoyant seal]

Shrugs. JS/TS is not the only thing existing in job vacancies. i don't aim for frontend job roles at all. (i don't like modern js frontend demanded for it)
I just wish for jobs related to backend development and devops engineering. For me golang is perfect in those terms, because it is popular for backend and devops stuff

[glass silo]

ok, fine. but we are talking in a career-discussion channel.

[buoyant seal]

Recruiters are usually very... not dev smart at all. They will not even be able to categorize what is it i think 😏 And they don't look at dev portfolio projects anyway
We can expect your portfolio looked only during/after tech interview, by devs.

[glass silo]

I think the same too 😅
but we can't adjust them, we should adjust ourselves to their skill sets.
So if a recruiter is filtering out resumes, only templ would not catch their eye.

[buoyant seal]

i just have added in my repositories .gitattributes file

sortable.js linguist-vendored
htmx.* linguist-vendored
*.templ linguist-language=go

That tells to Github to consider templ files as golang stuff 😏 And ignoring js added vendored in files
That helps my projects rendering correct language situation of what is used in them

[buoyant seal]

but we can't adjust them, we should adjust ourselves to their skill sets.
So if a recruiter is filtering out resumes, only templ would not catch their eye.
to be fair tech details like that are irellevant anyway. You are supposed to list more important generic dev skills
Like working with Postgresql, implementing bla bla bla backend stuff, with unit testing, git, htmx and etc.
over specific hard to recognize details like exact libraries are not important

[glass silo]

8.4% js won't appeal a frontend dev (recruiter) is what I feel
and there's no TS.
I can believe that golang can be a better alternative to build a full stack application.
But we can keep this enthusiasm aside, and focus on highlighting a transferable skill to a recruiter

[glass silo]

this is more on the backend side, I was talking about frontend

[buoyant seal]

Ugh, i should clarify once again... my projects are part of Backend Dev portfolio.
I am proud in having less than 3% code related to js in my web project (by using htmx and templating by backend means we can say)
I design projects through Static Site Generation, through Requests/Responses, through htmx, by things that backend dev would use
I don't aim for modern js frontend dev stuff at all

[glass silo]

cool, I don't make many websites, most of my work is into ML

[buoyant seal]

But we can keep this enthusiasm aside, and focus on highlighting a transferable skill to a recruiter
stuff i make fits perfectly my aim for building Backend dev portfolio (and even devops engineering portfolio in a round about way)
if u wish aiming for modern js frontend dev job roles, sure, u will need other stuff