#[Duskruin] Mania Replacement

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abstract cedar
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The celicing is much higher for non pure classes due to itemization and the avability of that.

turbid pelican
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Dual runestaffing is da future!

tropic monolith
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physical combat doesn't "need" all the gear either in a PSM world, but it has it available anyway, they certainly don't "need" 1s swings, but hey they got those now too for the most reasonable price it's ever been at.

Pures tho? We just stuck out in the cold, fighting over potentially a single unique item at the auction.

abstract cedar
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even if we look at 515 SK for a pure that's a good bump in power but its not like being able to itemize to 1K+ AS, getting myself on a node 30 seconds faster isnt breaking the game for anyone I dont think.

tropic monolith
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honestly if I got sks 515, I'd mainly use it to do silly things like just spam 702 an entire hunt and crap. It's not like I can't already kill just about as fast as creatures spawn. But it'd be fun to play with

shy jackal
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As a square..I really only use one weapon. I think the idea of having multiple weapons and/or runestaves probably would have been a valid reason to have such high gear scores. Force people to not have everything on one item.. but then we just asked for higher skill pots and suffusion 😄

turbid pelican
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also, someone needs to script combine their sigil staff with the mount script and go full Harry Potter before DR end, You're a wizard Harry! (Zhagen floats in riding his cobra head staff)

amber hazel
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Sigil is so leaps and bounds ahead of any other offering for pures, it's great but also kind of sad. Like it is the no-brainer choice if you want to spend for it. And that's because it was actually designed for pures. A valence/animal/daybringer/spore runestaff is just a runestaff equipped with a script that was probably built for melee combat.

shy jackal
final palm
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Didn't realize splitter wasnt allowed. It's a hard one to decide, but I guess having a lot of the unique scripts being off limits helps narrow that.

shy jackal
bleak crypt
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Aside from 515 (since that's been mentioned already), what would pures like to buy? I ask in the brainstorming sense. Just trying to get ideas going.

ocean crypt
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MKs? I feel like I haven’t heard much of MKs at all in this conversation.

sour raft
tropic monolith
ocean crypt
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I imagine we’ll see it at the next DR

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MK light armor mastery

tropic monolith
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but a big part of the problem for every 10 things designed for physical combat there might be 1 for spells, which is kinda the underlyning problem

abstract cedar
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in looking at the cman list the only things that might intrest me are
true strike(if it worked for spells), tainted bond, spell parry, inner harmony , combat focus, combat movement

Those listed I doubt I'd pay the price we'd want for them, they're all sort of this would be nice but nothing like omg so strong.

sour raft
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Part of my frustration is that there are some people, players and staff that can totally be off topic in a thread and it's fine. Someone else comes in and posts one thing and a GM quickly steps in and prods the topic. It feels unbalanced and often targeted at some.

Definitely hard to keep up and keep straight the information, the speculation and what's what with how Discord works. As I've said before I loathe Discord as a medium for communication, it's like being at a convention with a bunch of folks all talking at once. It can be maddening.

ocean crypt
tropic monolith
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that's just... a bit more TD basically right? so meh it's not bad but I sit at 500+ TD in elemental/spirit already, very few things even in hinterwilds can ward me
and nothing is fixing my lack of mental TD

ocean crypt
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+evade bonuses

abstract cedar
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ehhhhhh

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15% chance to get evasiveness when evading an attack, does that mean its only when you evade an attack that the 15% has a chance to proc cuz that doesnt sound great.

ocean crypt
abstract cedar
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its still just DS and TD

ocean crypt
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And increased chance of evasion. But yeah.

abstract cedar
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      Evade: 181 DS, 36% avoidance
      Parry: 335 DS, 33% avoidance
      Total: 915 DS, 57% avoidance

    Spell:
      Evade: 272 DS, 18% avoidance
      Parry: 168 DS, 33% avoidance
      Total: 874 DS, 45% avoidance

    Ranged:
      Evade: 272 DS, 18% avoidance
      Parry: 168 DS, 33% avoidance
      Total: 839 DS, 45% avoidance```
```      Generic = TD: +300 - CvA: -8 == 308

    Elemental = TD: +493 - CvA: -8 == 501
    Spiritual = TD: +477 - CvA: -8 == 485
       Mental = TD: +409 - CvA: -8 == 417

      Ele/Spr = TD: +494 - CvA: -8 == 502
      Men/Spr = TD: +443 - CvA: -8 == 451
      Men/Ele = TD: +450 - CvA: -8 == 458``` self spelled.
ocean crypt
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MK perfect self; silent strike; vanish.

gaunt dagger
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I don't know that I would say it's a "similar" upgrade for pures.

Because CS spells are so powerful, it's a significant upgrade in terms of TTK. Which is apparently Dev's most trusted source of balance.

I'll point out how Wizards are barely allowed to have 515.

abstract cedar
ocean crypt
turbid pelican
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MK perfect self would be amazing.... and expensive

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I know gear and items can help swingers excel at bother POWER and SPEED whereas most casters can only improve power through items. That being said, I luv the fact that I can hunt until majorly encumbered and still cast at the same rate.... that is a tradeoff of locked in RT vs higher ceiling as well.

abstract cedar
turbid pelican
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It would free up a bunch of enhancive spots, definitely something I personally would treasure.

abstract cedar
turbid pelican
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For hinterwilds maybe but I think that understates the huge QoL casters have with locked in RT.

gaunt dagger
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Archers get it too

tropic monolith
gaunt dagger
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I'll give you its the closest comparison.

abstract cedar
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also what changes if vaemyr and me are scooting about with 515 for anyone else? I get to loot cap a bit faster every month and spend 30 seconds more time on a node? 🤷

turbid pelican
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I for one don't like the idea of wizard's 515 in the hands of non-wizards on principal plus I dont want to compete with other 3x faster casters in Hintwerwilds. Two selfish reasons but I will speak my truth!

gaunt dagger
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I think its a mistake to release 506 or 515 to nonwizards, but balance doesn't matter any more so...

abstract cedar
tropic monolith
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Like I just want to support the game with a few thousand dollars and get a cool toy for my character to play with, without necessarily having to compete with the other 2 or 3 people that want to do the same thing and only one of us is sorta happy at the end.

oblique otter
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FWIW - 506 is presently available via imbeds, 515 is not. Opening 515 to people willing to spend the $ for it is arguably more "unbalancing" than opening 506 to people willing to spend $ for it imho. If they were going to open it up they should?/would? open it for imbeds as well.

abstract cedar
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515 was basically open to anyone with a wizard alt till recently

gaunt dagger
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Yes I believe when people were found using it at duskruin it was changed shortly after

oblique otter
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Sure - MAing will always impact balance a little, but I think balance should probably be wrought from the perspective of a single account, rather than assuming everyone carries around a bard and a paladin (or wizard or whatever).

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if <single sorcerer who spends $> has tool <single sorcerer who does not> cannot have. That feels more unbalancing (to me) than <single warrior who spends $> has tool that <single warrior who does not> can also have but with less convenience.

abstract cedar
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just add a non native caster effect like 506 job done. 1 min of up time 5 minutes of down time, you cant get to 100% anyhow because of how EMC works like a lore for a major spell circle

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theres already a ton of 515SK out there though, all we're asking is can we please not spend 12g on it.

oblique otter
abstract cedar
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like I can go an point out the people who have it and your gonna be like huh really? because them having it doesnt effect you at all.

oblique otter
amber hazel
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updates SK515_registry.xls

abstract cedar
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according to wyroms numbers theres only even a hand full of people holding enough script to go buy it. so its not like everyone and there mom is getting one if it happens. and then we're assuming everyone holding enough wants it

oblique otter
abstract cedar
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could you show me where I'm comparing 506 to 515?

spiral spade
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💧 🤤 🍿

oblique otter
# abstract cedar could you show me where I'm comparing 506 to 515?

That's fair. It's just being broadly compared.
That said - your position exactly is... "It should be there because why not - it doesn't hurt others" - despite presumably recognizing that SK of a non imbeddable/otherwise achievable spell is more imbalancing than the other existing SK offerings? Am I misunderstanding?

abstract cedar
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what are we imbalancing?

eager cobalt
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wizard feelings

turbid pelican
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you are imbalancing my feeeelings!

oblique otter
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Oh my. The feelings of any other caster wizards, sorcerers, clerics, empaths, etc who can not get the same thing the SK grants without spending $.

abstract cedar
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like really I see people say balance all the time dev include but I cant seem to get a good straight answer on what we mean by balance. whats the standard whats the goal?

turbid pelican
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Balance is when I can do all the things easily and watch you struggle with the things and then give you holier-than-thou advice about what you are doing wrong

abstract cedar
tropic monolith
oblique otter
turbid pelican
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We need 2 line graphic of GM hours on P2W coding vs. core update coding (would be cool to differentiate fluff vs mechanial P2W)

tropic monolith
oblique otter
abstract cedar
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I'm just stupid and would dump 1m bs on it when in reality all its going to do for me is make my hunts slightly faster maybe, and allow me to deal with swarms better.

tropic monolith
turbid pelican
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I just fear non-wizards aren't ready for 515.... it could lead to injury and maybe death, you guys don't understand how strong your index finger needs to be to press the cast key once per second. I had to go to the gym extra nights when i first returned to GS.... ☝️ 💪

modest mauve
abstract cedar
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I got a wizard alt at 30m exp I'm ready!

hexed canopy
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Wizards should lose 506 and 515 and both should be moved to the 1700s circle

modest mauve
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Wow. Ragz woke up and chose violence

abstract cedar
wooden geode
hexed canopy
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I’ve said that for awhile wrt to 506 but really 515 should go too. Then fix the kit

abstract cedar
hexed canopy
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Introduce qcast to all professions etc etc

tropic monolith
gaunt dagger
abstract cedar
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maybe!

gaunt dagger
# abstract cedar maybe!

Some might say, definitely.

I wouldn't be surprised if the 2 days after the whale-barrow was released, a lot has been generated per day.

indigo cipher
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no, Leafi has been pretty upfront about the fact that she's added like 5000 entries to her quota

abstract cedar
turbid pelican
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We been hitting the 800s in players lately which is pretty good, It will be interesting to see how many players logged in for Shenanigans

tropic monolith
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800
in the same room

summer fiber
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Also here: a lot of other players.

tropic monolith
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hmmm.... you know I've actually been wondering, I wonder if shenanigans cost a simu coin ticket or something to enter (something cheep like 400 coins or something) with of course the guarantee of getting a 4x RPA so that'd be what you are paying for, if that would not only potentially lower the # of people there, but also help fund doing cool fun stuff

indigo cipher
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Shenanigans costs bloodscrip if you are selected, any more will be a massive angst builder

warped stump
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When enhancive combining was announced you saw a surge.
Then when the SK/SMs hit second surge.

covert rivet
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New Simucoin item, the Fixangst potion!

tropic monolith
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probably wouldn't change much? I dunno, just a pondering

Well the point is you would be "buying" the 4x RPA, if you didn't want to do so you wouldn't come.

abstract cedar
tropic monolith
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anyways, it's just a thought of how you deal with something like that, with 800 characters in a room when it's probably closer to 100-150 people

abstract cedar
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3 bucks is a deal for 4x RPA!

warped stump
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They've done it in the past, but an attuned coin/slip/pass/etc could be provided with any simucoin booklet purchase. If you spent any sum of money on duskruin booklets, even a buck. You get in.

summer fiber
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You know, i'm willing to pay to go and not get anything, just to RP and play games with people to be truthful.

indigo cipher
plain anvil
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Gladiator + wyrom = all the free exp
5k turns into 25k+ real fast

tropic monolith
# indigo cipher The XP Carrot is already being moved out of shenanigans to prevent people from b...

that's not really what I'm getting at, the carrot for this one, is that from what we've heard, at least a lot of things are going to be spins for chances to "play" which means having the most characters there, at the event possible, gives you the best chance to win. Even if you only give your alts like 25k bloodscrip or whatever that's prolly enough for a lot of things. So people will do that as there is absolutely nothing they are giving up. The point of having an entry fee, and saying it's for the exp orb is to try to lesson that number and put some cost even if small to it.

Not saying it's a great solution, I don't even know if it'd solve anything TBH. It's just a thought to the problem that we're going to inevitably have on Saturday.

The other way to solve this, would be you either can stay at shennanigans OR get the 4x RPA, but not both. But I feel that, while probably pretty effective, would be less desired?

indigo cipher
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I'm hoping Wyrom will release the "amount to bring" and that will settle things. he implied that some games need HESS level entry fees, so you'd be putting 400k chunks on all your characters

tropic monolith
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I highly doubt he'll release an amount, for exactly the reason it could vary and so to make it harder to split on a bunch of alts

turbid pelican
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is the auction part of Shenanigans or a separate event?

indigo cipher
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it's a pre-show effectively

oblique otter
summer fiber
tropic monolith
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yeah auction is first, he wants to get it "out of the way"

indigo cipher
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Yeah, the schedule was auction first, and then he'd announce the second segment so people could arrive since you won't know exactly when it finishes.

oblique otter
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I kind of want to go to the auction even though I'm BS poor just to see what awesome stuff people get.

tropic monolith
indigo cipher
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it's mostly private properties, with a few surprise items (in the quite possibly 4 range). The 4 may not be accurate, but he's mentioned many times "smol"

summer fiber
tropic monolith
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there are six private properties that have MB 400k, and a few unique things that probably have 1m+ costs just for expectations

summer fiber
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Wyrom mentioned the potential for 515 items to be in the auction as well, since people wanted it to be available in the wheelbarrow, he will look into it. (I am guessing since it is so late now to add to it)

tropic monolith
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for the shennagins stuff, there will be some services or such like WPS, so have stuff you think you might need on your character, this also includes having a skin of every WL landing graveyard creature 🙂 haha

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may wish to have things like chipped bricks, table legs and other random nonsense

indigo cipher
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"I need you to bring me a chipped brick. Why are 5 of you lighting fuses?"

summer fiber
tropic monolith
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well those are just potentially some things that might be used IN the game, you should have just as much a chance to get chosen to play as anyone else, also part of why I'm mentioning them now ahead of time, ALWAYS have a ghoul nail with you to a wyrom thing... just in case

summer fiber
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Speaking of the Auction, this will be my first one. Where is the auction normally held?

gaunt dagger
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Probably outside hess there will be an entrance

indigo cipher
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if the auction feels a little ad-hoc, that's because it is, it wasn't plan A but a pivot was needed

sour raft
# oblique otter Sure - MAing will always impact balance a little, but I think balance should pro...

Actually, from my point of view. It appears that the Dev Team has allowed MAing to impact how they go about game design. See the changes to Bless and other spells that have been changed. It is a thing. My issue is that the line gets drawn in odd places and like a string of spaghetti twists all over the place with no true understanding of how Balance works in Gemstone or is supposed to work.

Basically, Game Balance feels like a foggy bog, you know it's deep and wide but you can't make out much nor how to traverse it. You never know when your about to take a step off into a deep hole. One side Estild shuts doors and on other Wyrom throws open the doors and says come on in. Its odd and confusing.

Also, wow this thread is busy this morning.

summer fiber
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Yeah, i realize he mentioned the Auction location might be somewhere else, I just asked for more clarity about the auction and Shenanigan timings also for the Platinum instance in the Shenanigans thread.

Thanks for the answers.

abstract cedar
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clarity isnt something we do overly well here hahah.

mighty phoenix
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so we can bring our alts at the beginning, take them out for the RPA and just leave our main to participate in the auction/games, etc? if I'm interpreting that correctly, it's a great way to keep the extra crowd down

tropic monolith
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yes you "can" do that, or your alts can have 25-50k BS on them and maybe also get to win game participation

indigo cipher
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In short yes. If you're not interested in the games on that character you can take your boost and go

hybrid garden
turbid pelican
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Lets all pinky promise to keep it civil with only mains, okay guys?

abstract cedar
indigo cipher
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I mean, I don't have any alts. I play them all equally. So I'm good

turbid pelican
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Wyrom needs to create a verified Social Security number portal so that only mains in the room. Whisper to portal 126-349-4055

marsh pollen
turbid pelican
hybrid garden
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In all seriousness, I actually don't know what I'll bring until I finish filling out this spreadsheet. Not all of them necessarily want to win anything.

mighty phoenix
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is there a limit to how many games one character can participate in?

tropic monolith
hybrid garden
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I'm excited for February Shenanigans, when I'll be more prepared spreadsheet-wise after getting a feel for how this goes!

Currently it very much feels like I'm winging it, assembling hypotheticals of what could be there.

olive warren
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February's event will just be competitive powernapping.

elder pivot
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Yessssss.

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I will win.

marsh pollen
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Dang I need to get back into practice, just good at sleeping through loud noises for now

median echo
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wait, you guys are getting sleep?

hybrid garden
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Sleep during Duskruin died with the heist.

tropic monolith
abstract cedar
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haven you even played this game if you havent set a sound file up for when goblyn shows up at EG and just put your headphones on and take a nap at your desk for a few hours?

mighty phoenix
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anyone know? can one character participate in more than one of the games for the event? or is it once per character?

indigo cipher
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those specifics have not been shared

feral stone
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In the past the location announces and gets locked. One person and not leaving or re-entering

olive warren
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It will be once and done. Prizes won't be equal, but if you're selected, that's the only time you'll be selected.

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Unless only 1 person shows up.

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Then that person wins everything.

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That includes the exp. So if only one person passes through the portal, that's our grand prize winner. Feel free to collude.

abstract cedar
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selling me not showing up for 100k BS per account

hybrid garden
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starts deleting the "interested only if discounted to 33% or less" rows

indigo cipher
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will the spinner basically only pick people with the entry fee on them per game?

pallid axle
torpid shale
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Will passing be allowed? 🙂

olive warren
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I need to make a decision on the silencing stuff, running out of time though.

indigo cipher
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I ask to confirm how you'll know the person selected can pay the entry fee

eager cobalt
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Booo no passing!

abstract cedar
turbid pelican
hybrid garden
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Hmm, no smart spinners...

starts deleting the "interested only if discounted to 50% or less" rows

olive warren
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Spectators and people without enough bloodscrip will sort of just have to work through it.

abstract cedar
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make a viewing room people can move in and out of announce the price let people move, strike fear into the hearts of those 20 account MAer, make sure the portal to the viewing room breaks groups

tropic monolith
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WIll you be by chance finishing up the round of wheelbarrow redemptions today Wyrom? (I know the enhancives take a bit, just curious)

olive warren
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Lag is with seeing things, so viewing rooms are bad. Splitting the rooms with multiple hundreds of people would probably kill us dead.

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Like big dead.

indigo cipher
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I remember that EG

abstract cedar
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You're selling me more on this idea not less

hybrid garden
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Too late to move to a Tivvy Spin Night style thing where people have to join a group to try to win?

torpid shale
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If we get picked for something and don't want to participate for that particular prize. Can we skip it and still remain eligible? Or get what you get and don't throw a fit!

marsh pollen
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Quickly code a bouncer who will only let you in if you have over X amount of bs redeemed

indigo cipher
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He's too busy for that, just draft a player and everybody hands them their scrip for checking

tropic monolith
abstract cedar
plain anvil
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Door fee, with guaranteed value for the cost. Apartments for all!

abstract cedar
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Please no gemstone cover fees

hearty barn
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A grumpy bouncers says, "A lot of peoples girlfriends are in there..."

marsh pollen
plain anvil
turbid pelican
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Having a whale club table with GM-bottle girls would be hilarious (and also terrible)

indigo cipher
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Cause that'll convince him to not silence the room. People bringing snacks. Again.

haughty socket
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a group of rooms to spread people out, all with one of those gimmicks to PEER/WATCH/VIEW a room with the circus ring leader in it. probably breaks any normal spinner routines, but allows people to be spread out and watch the same thing

indigo cipher
haughty socket
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only in GS is that somehow worse lol

marsh pollen
warped stump
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I wonder if its possible to code a musical chairs game for Gemstone.
Random chairs electrocute, implode, immolate, etc people.

haughty socket
next magnet
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I’m still pro holding the entire event in team endless

indigo cipher
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No room at all. Anybody in the game may be randomly grabbed by the claw. A log is posted at the end.

haughty socket
next magnet
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the real fishhook, drops in on you, inflicts a puncture critical, and throws you into the game

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hope you have herbs on you

indigo cipher
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You know as well as I that it should be a harpoon.

feral stone
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Tikba is onto something. Scripts > people though

proud pulsar
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I'm telling you, it's time to code "The Button (tm)"

The button sits on the floor in the room, Wyrom says, ok, next item, a Phang Only dwarf empath tattoo. You'll need a minimum of 100kbs to participate. If you're interested, PUSH THE BUTTON in the next 30 seconds.

After 30 seconds, the button randomly selects someone who has pressed it and then automatically resets for the next required press. If you are picked, you're out for the rest of the event, so if you push the button without enough bloodscrip on you and get picked, you just disqualified yourself, good job dummy. The end.

Obviously the timing and disqualification can be adjusted for events as needed. But make people opt in so they aren't sitting afk and actually want the thing they are being spun for.

haughty socket
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same, but the gimmick from The Box (mostly just to watch all the death messaging as EVERYONE chooses to open it)

next cove
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No whammies!

haughty socket
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I really like The Button conceptually, but it has a lot of issues (maybe solved by just not echoing in the room?) with how GS plays out -
after the first time its announced it will turn into a sea of sprawl as you see
X pushes THE BUTTON
and it instantly wipes off the announcement of what its for

hybrid garden
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Would just need the messaging of people pushing the button to be invisible to others!

proud pulsar
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yeah, just squelch that messaging, easy

haughty socket
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i'm not going out of my way to help myself, how dare you make such a suggestion

indigo cipher
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They don't have to make 3rd party messaging

proud pulsar
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but if people are worried about optics, you could make it so LOOKing at the button shows you a list (I'm not worried about optics but I'm a solution guy)

haughty socket
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yeah like a "join list" version 2.0 or whatever version of lists it is

proud pulsar
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yeah, its kind of a hybrid between lists and spinners.

pallid axle
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and take away the experience of "spinning for adding a fusion slot to item" and going through 37 people who don't have fusion armor? Not my mania.

haughty socket
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yeah I think we collectivelly need to take a step back and ask ourselves "are we trying to take the mania out of mania?"

feral stone
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Folks with 5 slot fusion. You all wild

proud pulsar
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Oh I fully believe that many people will push the button when they shouldn't push the button

next magnet
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pushing the button should cost 1 spirit

haughty socket
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who gets to keep the spirit?

next magnet
proud pulsar
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The spirit goes into an item that gets auctioned at the end, nobody knows what the item does, but the spirit is all in there.

zenith fractal
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it is a necklace of preserved fingers...called "spirit fingers"

haughty socket
pallid axle
glacial talon
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Hey @olive warren, got a question IG about my redemption when you have a minute! Thanks, by the way!

proud pulsar
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but I've always thought that some sort of opt in added to the spinner code somehow would be handy...a button seems like the easiest way to go.

Maybe the room has 2 buttons in it and they switch places once in a while and if you push the wrong button you get imploded and dropped in icemule

dim jasper
# next magnet pushing the button should cost 1 spirit

...except when it costs 15 spirit. However, for each spirit drained you get 500 bloodscrip off! But it also takes 10 deeds. However, you also receive 10m silvers! But the silvers are cursed. However, the curse can be easily removed!

proven trail
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That only applies to the ice cream churn.

haughty socket
gaunt dagger
# hybrid garden Too late to move to a Tivvy Spin Night style thing where people have to join a g...

This would be my suggestion.

We've made these mistakes before and changed things so the mistakes stopped. Let's not repeat bad historical practices.

This game will be played for ... PRIZE ... Join if you'd like to play for this prize.

Or we sit there for spin after spin after spin after spin after spin. Or Beldannon wins the spin but doesn't want the prize and you give him a veniom thread because he won and wants any kind of prize.

gaunt dagger
manic bone
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that's a pretty dang good idea honestly

summer fiber
vast tinsel
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Is there a time/date for this yet?

eager cobalt
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Tomorrow. 4pm eastern

cold cosmos
tropic monolith
abstract cedar
cold cosmos
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Not so much for this DR's event, but maybe for February's

manic bone
hexed canopy
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I think there's a tendency to think of the RT after a kill as the RT it took to kill something instead of registering a single cast kill as a 0s kill

feral stone
olive warren
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Just a couple odds and ends responses.

Something like the button is an okay idea, but it's essentially a raffle. Updating a raffle system is a huge undertaking. Some of you may have been around long enough to see the raffle system we debuted that was intended to be used for MHOs and CHEs. That was years in the making and it didn't work out well in the live instance. We had to ditch it.

A SimuCoin Store item seems like a double whammy only because you already spent money on the event. Having the portal to enter cost bloodscrip could achieve the same thing. Granted we muddy things a bit with GIFTBOX and EVENT BOX, but it's all still some value.

Knowing the prize isn't something for this event. That's part of the fun. But I hope expectations meet where things are going. This thing tomorrow is taking the place of random spins, some of the cheaper things, and the silliness that happens at Mania. So think a nexus orb or silver booklet. The auction ahead of time is just solving the unique items I wanted to add to the wheelbarrow, so it wasn't the fastest buyer wins. The reserve will be about what I would have put them for sale.

Reading threads take a turn like this makes me nervous, because I don't think expectations are where this event will be.

cold cosmos
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Deleted question.

haughty socket
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only one person is going to play at a time it seems

cold cosmos
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haughty socket
cold cosmos
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Yes, he clearly says it there

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I’ll delete my question

haughty socket
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idk, its good in case someone else has the same one to see the response.
I'll add - bring nails and wraps and stuff from the graveyard, because you might be selected and asked to supply that still

cold cosmos
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Yup

haughty socket
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is the auction going to be before or after shenanigans

misty linden
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before

haughty socket
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so it could happen at any moment then

stark hazel
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(just aim for 4)

haughty socket
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thats shenanigans though
V that make more sense

misty linden
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Sounds like the auction will be kicking off the shenanigans, then move to real shenanigans

tropic monolith
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yeah auction starts at 4:00ish, shennagins will follow it

cyan jay
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yeah slightly confusing that the announcement says auction before shennanigans but shennanigans start at 4

stark hazel
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It says "around 4" in the original message.

hot mesa
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If your going to switch to grabbing an attuned orb at shenanigans, can you change the way the orbs work? I'm sitting on a ginormous crap ton of experience in my head. It might be a month before I can rub an orb.

green pewter
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Think of how excited future you will be to have that orb!

dusky blaze
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I also wish we could rub an exp orb after our head is at saturated.

eager cobalt
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Changing the exp from simply overwriting what you have and boosting it to the best we have, on top of letting you activate whenever you choose, is a huge step up.
I read this as you can use it while saturated ... but I could absolutely be wrong.

indigo cipher
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I doubt he's changed the behavior of XP orbs, the whenever you chose just means you can coordinate the rub with weekly resources and the like.

eager cobalt
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I was actually referring to the changing the exp from overwriting and boosting to the best. But like I said, just my interpretation. It would be a heavy lift.
exp orbs have never overwritten another exp orb as far as I know.

indigo cipher
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GM Triggered RPA's always overwrite your current boost, ,if it's equal or lesser than the one they are granting. Otherwise it just fizzles. When they do it it forces over.

mighty phoenix
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T - 10 mins?

stark hazel
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Roughly.

toxic stump
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Is the location announced, I don't see it mentioned in any of the summary posts.

indigo cipher
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We keep saying "Probably Outside HESS" and nobody has corrected us, which is about... 70% accurate

toxic stump
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There's a massive crowd there and its silenced, so it seems a good bet.

fierce flint
ocean crypt
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You can now TOUCH grass for a violet orb.
>
>touch grass
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This is not an appropriate place for that.```
eager cobalt
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too many folks

lament ridge
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unsilence please

keen idol
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Time for a little polite queueing

lament ridge
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thank you for the orb!

stark hazel
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FYI

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During this, I'm only going to be monitoring the Duskruin Channel.

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So I recommend going there for questions.

thin crag
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@olive warren can we transmute temporal weapons?

olive warren
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Nope

pearl cloud
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aren't they supposed to inspect as air and be extra light?

heavy lintel
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You can tell that the warblade is as light as it can get.

You see 1 Duskruin, Phoenatos 5123 stamp upon the warblade.
>inspect warb
You carefully inspect your temporal warblade.

After a careful inspection you determine that a red temporal warblade vibrating with translucent coils is a falchion and requires skill in edged weapons to use effectively.

You remember that you registered this item about an hour ago.

It looks like this item has been mainly crafted out of air.```
brazen glacier
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do the wheelbarrow redemptions go into your duskruin hess cert list thingy, or is just, wait for wyrom kinda thing

eager cobalt
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wait for wyrom kind of thing

brazen glacier
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gotcha

olive warren
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The mind wrack pricing is reduced to 800k

drifting hamlet
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oo 600k perfect then??

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Roundtime: 3 sec.``` do we get this if we add mind wrack to shield?
vale spear
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good question, LS does come with 2 flares normally

olive warren
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Not sure if that's the material or the flare.

drifting hamlet
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is there any difference between death flare and the xaz one?

boreal pollen
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Just touching base about the spell book redeemptions? me and a few others have had them out there awhile with no movement, should i assist this?

olive warren
boreal pollen
olive warren
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Oh, those should be in the DUSKRUIN system, I'll nudge it to see who is working on those.

brazen glacier
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i did a wheelbarrow redeem myself tonight wyrom if you happen to have a moment

boreal pollen
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ok ty, mine havent been out there as long as other, someone said they have had theirs since last saturday but as its getting close to the end i wasnt sure if i needed to do anything

i did a wheelbarrow too for a tattoo

brazen glacier
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515 tattoo whayle? 😏

boreal pollen
olive warren
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I'm working through the redeems, I stepped away from the PC though.

brazen glacier
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sounds like the wheelbarrow was a hit overall! ^.^

dim jasper
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I’m so happy that Melivn got 515

ocean crypt
gaunt dagger
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$1920 is expensive for a flare, but ty. It sold for 500k or below at auction multiple times.
(I am frugal.)

amber hazel
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Mind Wrack is really neat and powerful but even after the reduction they seem really high. Would be curious if there are any takers if that information ends up being shared with us.

warped stump
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The lower price at auction could be attributed to specific applications versus now being available to anyone on anything

indigo cipher
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The Price-O-Tron may have gotten skittish after the Enhancive Combiner

gaunt dagger
modest mauve
gaunt dagger
modest mauve
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And that's a fair argument

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I'm specifically commenting on the plat comparison

gaunt dagger
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I think it's fair to point out how I'm being charged 4x the amount because I'm simply in a different instance of the game.

final palm
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I'm not condoning it but haven't a lot of things from mania increased in price over time? Isn't that just the way things tend to go as people learn the "value" of them?

modest mauve
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Your argument is much stronger when comparing to past auctions.

gaunt dagger
eager cobalt
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Apples to Oranges is all there is sometimes. 😂

haughty socket
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new ranger spell - vegetation transmute

modest mauve
eager cobalt
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Sorry, I was just making a joke. I have no idea what was actually said.

modest mauve
gaunt dagger
haughty socket
final palm
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The realest take. Pin this.

modest mauve
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Nihilism is off topic here in materialism corner

final palm
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I think they can be best friends.

torn dawn
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do mind wrack flares have the standard flare chance?

gaunt dagger
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Yes.

haughty socket
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There was adjustments to BS generation over the three years that the post references the pricing at. not sure the specific amount that it adjusted but I'm sure that factored in somehow. We've also been hit with "unlimited makes the price go up".
overall, it would be nice if prices were unlimited and standardized towards a bulk sales dynamic, meaning the pricing comes down a bit.
The most likely concern is "ok but how sustainable is that really", specifically with the concern of "how long will that make people happy before they ask for harder challenges and the loop starts over with new effects/bonuses" which... I think is already happening but doesn't seem to be much more beyond verbal complaints - most if not all that complain about lack of challenges still log in and grind it out so... v0v

gaunt dagger
haughty socket
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it would be interesting to see part of the post mortem on the temporal weapons and flesh pricing. I get that they were going to be unique/one offs, and I like the concept, but the pricing change between silver and BS seemed extremely off and I'm not sure what the rational was on that.

indigo cipher
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Until I hear otherwise I'm going with "Wyrom was too busy and those are his items so if they don't sell no GM is upset at him, bigger fish to focus on"

abstract cedar
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I respect the move to stick to his guns those items were slated to sell at 1m on the cart he didnt back down.

final palm
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And by that he means expanding the fishing system to include marlins.

haughty socket
abstract cedar
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I wouldnt mind seeing the auction happen ealier in DR for the stuff we did this time and then putting anything that didnt move on the cart limited, some people might bite if they can think about it more or if the end comes and they got scrip burning a hole in there pocket

gaunt dagger
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I too would like an auction at the start, rather then the end.

tropic monolith
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if it uses the automated, I think that would make sense, last couple DRs the automated ones ran in the middleish, then you have the shennagins/fun night as the finale kinda thing perhaps

ocean crypt
proud pulsar
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the non existant ratio was very different

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also a difference this DR is that the time factor has been removed almost completely with regard to generation.

viscid bolt
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I think it's pretty clear that there is a price to be paid for "You can have this thing whenever you stop by" vs. "You can have this thing IF you make the auction, and IF you do not get outbid, and IF we even offer it." My general feeling is that equating past auction prices to current list prices does not work very well.

hot mesa
indigo cipher
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Isn't Leafi an example of that segment? she seems to be doing just fine

viscid bolt
hybrid garden
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Things did pick up on the books for bloodscrip front in the eleventh hour, but only because suddenly SKs and enhancive combiners popped up for 1 million so late that nobody had time to farm.

However, what's fascinating to me is that the books for silver market was basically dead. I managed 17,953 entries this run, but that's a far cry from the 36,377 of August 2022, heh... and that's despite me being faster at the arena than ever by a long shot.

indigo cipher
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I also used to sell my time doing arena runs and sewer runs, but that was 5 years ago, things were very different back then (I got my BoH parts for free effectively)

proud pulsar
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my gut might also be tainted by its effect on me personally, but it's here, so I'm not gonna cry about it, just adapt (Not saying you're crying about it Kerl, not at all, really its more about me complaining about it being seen as me crying about my gravy train being over.)

abstract cedar
proud pulsar
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Leafi is relatively unique!

hybrid garden
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Also relatively insane. 😄

viscid bolt
proud pulsar
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I do, you're right! Also what's circumspect mean?

Also I bought a bunch of 25 count books before the shop closed. How risky!

abstract cedar
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last year I went from running about 9k runs per char I run down to only running my main now and running ~1600 runs, all for silvers, and ~600 from event boxes only

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I think I ran sub 100 in feb

manic bone
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All I have standing in HESS is decision paralysis because I need 500k bs, but have 250k bs because the whalebarrow OHKO'd the BS seller market

torpid shale
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There is still a lot of bs moving hands. But the need to sell books to move that bs has kind of ceased to be.

hybrid garden
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I mean, make strong enough silver offers and I'm sure people who play the long game will sell BS, but the typical 800:1 offer might not move people. Heh.

manic bone
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do people want silvers again

torpid shale
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I like silver! But I don't really need it much yet. 🙂

next magnet
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People are literally constantly trading things for silvers!

hybrid garden
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People who play the long game want silvers. Or at least I do. But not at a rate where I'd just convert it back into the exact same amout of bloodscrip later. 🤷

Edit: I should probably elaborate on what I mean by the long game. Give me a bit. (In a new comment.)

manic bone
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Death to silvers pitchforkandtorch pitchforkandtorch CH_PepeRage1CH_PepeRage2CH_PepeRage3 CH_CoinSilver CH_CoinSilver

torpid shale
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Yeah if i even begane to consider trading my bs for silver. it would need to be closer to 1:1

next magnet
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after book sales have closed and less than 24 hours before HESS closes is probably not the optimal moment to be buying bloodscrip haha

manic bone
turbid pelican
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In years past it was since farmers wanted to liquidate some. now there are few pro farmers

eager cobalt
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Oh how the tables have shifted. It's a new world.

manic bone
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The market is really weird right now, Roblar is quitting, amok, amok, the world is ending

turbid pelican
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Simu put all those honest blue collar arena farmers out of business.... the humanity of it all!

hybrid garden
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The long game:

There will eventually be silver auctions again. When? No one knows. That's why it's the long game. But you can either hold on to silvers in advance or acquire them right before an auction with far more difficulty and/or expense than acquiring them now.

Also, via event boxes, it's easier to convert silver into soul shards or raikhen than it would be to trade bloodscrip for soul shards or raikhen (while the applicable event for those currencies is running). So it offers a level of flexibility to hedge against the dual uncertainties of which event might have things you want and how much they'd cost.

manic bone
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well, I have plenty of silvers, I just don't like spending them because I like looking at the commas

eager cobalt
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I can make you a script to give you all the commas.

abstract cedar
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alterative take is auctions are just the pre sale of items they'll show at DR for BS, most of my buys at the auction were stuff they just sell for BS anyhow. Only it was cheaper to get them with silvers.

manic bone
torpid shale
abstract cedar
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still not sold those books are worth it even at the BS cost 😄

manic bone
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there is no value that can be placed upon max tier thamuturgy tome and the mailbox it provides

covert rivet
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100k! 🤪

abstract cedar
turbid pelican
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I mean both, not being serious. (There probably was some farmers who relied on that income though no lie)

proud pulsar
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my new baby won't be able to eat!

abstract cedar
proud pulsar
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its true!

abstract cedar
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I also super appreciate anyone selling books no matter the cost really, as they are taking all the risk here really.

proud pulsar
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its still fun for me, so I'll keep doing it as long as the silver for books market holds up

turbid pelican
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GP Corp & Leafiara Unlimited need to merge as the last 2 bookseller monopolies

hybrid garden
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You mean Goat Unlimited? I buy books, not sell them!

Edit: Oh, five minute timer. Sudden and total change of subject, then:
Did anyone actually buy a script combiner in Prime or was it all about the enhancive combiners and SKs?

proud pulsar
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5 minute timer!? I'm outta here!

dim jasper
tropic monolith
hybrid garden
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Will squee for stats when they happen!

dim jasper
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Love juicy stats!

hot mesa
silk trout
olive warren
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Just a quick heads up. Just finished with Shattered. I'll be working through the wheelbarrow stuff over the next few days. The important part if that you redeem it before tomorrow as they expire.

daring halo
olive warren
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No

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These are an extra I did, I get an email on all of them and then work on it. If you whispered all the details, I can do it remotely.

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But you do need to be logged in for some stuff.

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Well, most stuff.

tropic monolith
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just wanna say thanks again, super appreciate all the crazy work you've done for the wheelbarrow this run, and all the really cool offerings

brazen glacier
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wheelbarrow script update for next run - instead of an email it can ping your smart car - honk the horn

modest mauve
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I'm always curious: how come these need to be Wyrom specials?

olive warren
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Yeah. Just so it's known. The enhancive thing probably didn't work we envisioned it. So if it ever is offered again, it will need to be refined. That's the biggest slow down service. No script combiner in Prime so far. But there was only 1 or 2 people who had that level of bloodscrip anyway. Lot of millionaires toward the end, but most have spent their dragon hoards. The SK tat will likely have tiers moving forward if we offer that again. So some of the bigger spells will be on the more expensive side. I don't think SK tats will come back though, if I'm being honest.

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So HESS is a project, everything in there needs to be coded in. This was a late addition. Even if I thought of the wheelbarrow in February, I don't know if we'd have the time to add this to how HESS works by August.

modest mauve
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Tiered SKs makes all kinds of sense (and makes it much more likely I'll be able to afford the "utility" tier).

olive warren
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Anything you see us pivot last minute usually means manually done or no sleep sessions.

olive warren
indigo cipher
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I'm really hoping the tats etc. can become a stable offering. Unstable markets lead people to hoard and it's just rough

olive warren
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SK tats at 1mil are not sustainable long term without a lot more refining.

silk trout
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not sure if your kidding but my buddy just left fantasy football draft in a 1996 honda accord

olive warren
brazen glacier
warped stump
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Is the enhancive combiner likely to be the same price or more expensive?

tropic monolith
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I'm curious of the total wheelbarrow sales and yeah what of each if possible, and if we basically drained all the feburary excess (I know it drained all mine)

amber hazel
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SK tats being a one and done doesn’t feel great for anyone who didn’t have a pile of BS this run. Oh well.

olive warren
eager cobalt
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But he gets to do what he loves and deal with us children!

olive warren
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Yeah, I was referring to players as the homeschool part (I'm kidding).

indigo cipher
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I really like the ideas behind the enhancive combiner. Reducing the fiddlyness of enhancives has huge draw. Also this thread got set back up to 5 minutes, probably to discourage chatter earlier.. Also, seriously I hope that 1,000 a month is pretty far in the mirror for what you do, or the bonuses are giant cakes

elder pivot
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!!!

brazen glacier
daring halo
viscid bolt
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I mean a personalized license plate on the lambo the reads DUSKRUIN would be sweet.

olive warren
brazen glacier
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i was curious why it was 5 mins, sounds like i may have missed some SWEET TEA and need to scroll up

olive warren
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I think things started to become more like the channel here. I wasn't here this morning though. I was snoozing until noon today.

tropic monolith
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yeah all the chats have seemed to revert to 5mins, so it might of been a global thing

torpid shale
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I really like the idea of Tiered SK items. There are lots I would entertain for under that million price points. 117. Not worth a million to me. But I'd grab that at 500k I wager.

boreal pollen
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Tiered SK would be great.
I guess I’m sad I didn’t do the 6 combiner enhancive now though :/

drifting hamlet
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u got time

vale spear
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i just got an announce for some prize pile to touch but it says I have received my orb already? there's another grass somewhere? edit: reading is hard, sorry

olive warren
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The prize pile is out that lets you SEARCH it for 1,000,000 silver. It's where the grass is, and if you haven't used the grass you still have time.

plain anvil
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holds back "grass" jokes

candid oxide
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Oooh. What kinda prizes?

hybrid oasis
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guild packs, adg voucher packs, mangled spoons, nexus orbs, reim orbs, DR booklets, capsules, wisp amulets, rpa orbs

final palm
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Tiered SK/SM would be nice. There's some that'd I'd enjoy having, but nothing worth 1mil bs. At the moment I'm mostly done with everything except crit weighting/padding and some armor resistance stuff. Unless next DR has some nifty locksmith stuff!

haughty socket
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did the mangled knives become a real thing and make it into the pile?

gaunt dagger
pallid vortex
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Where is the grass?

hybrid oasis
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outside hess

brazen glacier
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i didnt realize what redeem did on my wheelbarrow purchase, or i would have given more details - im sorry =/

hybrid oasis
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it happens.

indigo cipher
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because I could use a laugh, care to share about how much you DID put in?

brazen glacier
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i cant access it or i'd update it 😛 but it was pretty bad....something like, "im gonna combine 6 enhancives, let me know if you need me to list all the items in here or not"....and that was it >.> and then i was like, what does redeem do - whoops

indigo cipher
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I'm sure he'll know exactly what you meant

fallen tundra
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Seen worse. “Please transmute my mithril dagger to vultite”. proceeds to have six mithril daggers on them

brazen glacier
torpid shale
final palm
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1315 would be interesting to have SK..but not 1m bs interesting. Was there a 1315 auctioned off this year?

olive warren
# gaunt dagger How many sold?

31 orbs sold, but around 30% are SM requests, and there have been other SK requests than 506. We've had 215, 1202, and a couple others I can't think of off the top of my head.

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One fused pendant sold in Prime at this point as well.

indigo cipher
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that and the enhancive combiners.. there was a lot of pool to drain

tropic monolith
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I assume a lot of enhancive combiners?

olive warren
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There isn't a whole lot of millionaires out there unless people start pooling resources.

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6 people left.

brazen glacier
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what was the pendant used to make!

hybrid oasis
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Are you still staking out the prize pile in plat?
ETA: You were, as of a few minutes ago, standing guard over it in plat.
ETAA: still are!

olive warren
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I did announce it late in Platinum though.

torpid shale
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I’m broke!!

olive warren
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Oh I'm visible!

proud pulsar
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me too - broke and visible

warped stump
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For the enhancive prop you can't just take a bonus and convert it to the same amount for base and vice versa right?

olive warren
indigo cipher
vale spear
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is GP the new CEO? Why is he yellow?

olive warren
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He created everything you see today.

tropic monolith
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so if we're comparing to past mania/multi-mania sounds like we broke records for those with the wheelbarral which is pretty cool, probably does mean we drained a lot of the excess scrip around

proud pulsar
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Hey Wyrom I've been doing a great job of being in charge of Gemstone. Everyone is very happy with my work so far. You made the right choice!

brazen glacier
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Gp can you give me a 506 + 515 tattoo

indigo cipher
olive warren
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Giantphang told me he wants Divergence 3.0 though.

misty linden
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Gotta trust our leadership, bring it on.

vale spear
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Divergence 3.0 is where the spells get stronger in the hunting areas right?

olive warren
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Divergence 3.0 is DragonRealms.

hybrid oasis
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Oh dear god no.

tropic monolith
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Time to fire GP then... it was a nice run

manic bone
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Sorry GP but your vision doesn't align with ours for the game
5️⃣ : 0️⃣ 0️⃣

proud pulsar
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I do, Divergence 3.0 is a divergence from previous divergence mechanics. We're gonna just make all spells cast 506. Also, we're gonna make 506 Manna, but there's no RT for casting Manna. Everybody wins. Also, 5 minutes is too long to wait to post these witty responses that I come up with in seconds!

next magnet
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Critical support for crossing the streams

pallid axle
fallen tundra
proud pulsar
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Mel loves fancy hats.

viscid bolt
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This new leadership is working out well.

next cove
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Drop a whalebarrow certificate to retcon the Gemstone lore to prevent Elanthia from being destroyed by the dragon thus preventing the events leading to DR and wiping all DR servers, please.

boreal pollen
gaunt dagger
tropic monolith
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my average for them is about a week after DR closes

boreal pollen
turbid pelican
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everyone is DR poor now, equality achieved in only a couple short years!

boreal pollen
tropic monolith
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yeah, unless additional GMs have started redeeming them, Estild usually waits for them all redeemed then attempts to knock them all out in a couple days

torpid shale
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Yep. It’s normal. Just waits a bit.

rain timber
warped stump
#

Prior to that post he mentioned that some of the bigger spells would be more expensive but then said that SK tats probably won't be back.

The quick thing when releasing SK/SMs is to say we're using the scroll treasure feeder list. The problem is that there's really only a couple of spells that will actually sell from that list and Wyrom pretty much listed them:
31 orbs sold, but around 30% are SM requests, and there have been other SK requests than 506. We've had 215, 1202, and a couple others I can't think of off the top of my head.
When folks want SKs in particular its a relatively small list.

506, 215, 211, 606, 1606, 1109, 515, 1202, and probably 1 or 2 others.

This list is probably what he meant would need to be on the expensive side.

There are a lot of other spells that folks may buy but should probably be priced a lot lower, maybe as much as 100k like 101. What really needs to happen is a hard look at each spell what exactly it does and how accessible is it to others already and then recategorize spells by that list.

https://gswiki.play.net/Spell_Collection_Guide_(scroll_infusion)
This list categorizes a lot of scrolls based on player opinions but would be a good starting point at addressing the value of each potential spell as an SK.

indigo cipher
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I would clarify as "when folks want sk at this price" it's a pretty small list. I'd love a lot of less valuable spells, but not priced for the highest value combat spells.

warped stump
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It's an SK so there has to be a bottom and for certain SKs, even in prime, I'd say 100k to 250k. Someone buying an SK101 isn't exactly game breaking as an example.

bleak crypt
warped stump
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Ya I know, that list is what folks always seem to want

turbid pelican
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Although a tailored SK price list would be nicer than flat price, I tend to agree with Alastir a little that putting up spell sever and then selling us the solution (SK) at high prices isn't the best thing. Sure 1m BS for 506 or 515 is more character defining than spell sever related but if the prices were low enough that people are walking around with invoker levels of SK in Hintwerwilds then that isn't great.

cyan jay
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I just hope that even at the low(er) end, prices remain quite high so that SKs don't become very common. I'm fine with x/days being fairly cheap and easy to get but SM/SK, even less desirable spells like maybe 509/511 for example, should be quite rare overall imo.

warped stump
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Eh, I don't see the correlation between spell sever and selling SKs. The Rift had a stripping mechanic long long before spell sever and people also sought out SKs simply for convenience.

The mutant swingers need the extra spells for HW and Moonsedge but all of the other capped hunting grounds can be hunted just fine without too many outside spells. We just want the spells because most of us get annoyed by death and don't want to deal with it. Spell yourself up to the gills and just have untouchable DS and TD for the most part.

Every profession can hunt in HW or MS if they are traditionally trained to expectation, let's leave the HW wyrm out of this for now as we know there's an issue with that thing and TD.

Folks cried over spell sever but spell burst has existed for a long long time and folks either ignored spells to hunt with a challenge or went the invoker path to be able to cheese their way to cap. HW and MS are meant to be challenging for everyone and you just can't do that if you allow folks to continue to use 5, 10, 15, 20+ outside spells. If you did the folks that already skew using all those spells would absolutely get wrecked.

This is why krodersine soul folks are having an easier time of it because most of those folks skewed spells to begin with and were better hunters to begin with.

warped stump
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The other thing is quite a few folks script hunt and bigshot and the more spells you can wear the less attentive you can be without making it obvious. If you can just steam roll through and wreck stuff without getting hit scripts tend to work real smooth. They get into trouble when you get stunned, RT'ed, acquire wounds that prevent you from casting and searching, etc.

hexed canopy
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For sure, scripts can’t account for being stunned

manic bone
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Well they can, but bigshot is fairly primitive as far as automated hunting goes, compared to other muds.

I was working on a mudlet hunting script that's a bit more reactive to what's happening but it's not really a 1 man project and mudlet is really underutilized.

warped stump
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Scripts can account for a lot and we definitely have some very highly skilled players that have scripts that account for a lot of different scenarios.

Some of those players have even released public versions like bigshot.

I'm just saying a lot of end users run in to trouble when using these scripts due to setup errors and a lack of understanding and thinking through all the possible situations that might arise during a hunt. Order of operations becomes pretty big imo.

wooden geode
# manic bone Well they can, but bigshot is fairly primitive as far as automated hunting goes,...

Mudlet is great, but no one is going to switch until either it can be launched with Lich support or all of the basic Lich functionality most people use have alternatives already built out for Mudlet. Last time I looked, there isn't a decent plugin for Mudlet that can parse the XML stream to make playing Simu IFE games on Mudlet not a gauge your eyeballs out due to everything being scrolled like crazy. Also needs a simple way to onboard people to using mudlet that doesn't require hand holding for getting it setup.

manic bone
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I would love a community shift to mudlet or traditional mud FEs. Wrayth is OK, but I don't like having lich as a medium to connect with the scripting community, native launcher scripts/aliases/macros are much better, and Lua is a lot easier to work with. Yeah setup is a nightmare. I was working on a plug in that was a total UI overhaul with a built in map, GUIetc, but its all kind of on hiatus until I have more time.

wooden geode
manic bone
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Oof, yeah, that's not ideal lol

It would be a rather huge shift in general, I defintely don't expect it, but it would be one of those things that would be nice imo

modest mauve
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The FE/scripting conversation should probably move to #scripting

final palm
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There's a few SK spells I'd like. None of them are hunting boosters so it's not something I'd drop "make your own SK from this large list" money on. Dunno how I feel about the ones I want being available in unlimited quantity at the price I'd pay.

olive warren
cyan jay
indigo cipher
final palm
warped stump
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Also in regard to balance I think really the only competitive aspect is whether you hit loot cap or not. Someone getting an sk 515 or 506 really isn't gaining anymore advantage other than hitting loot cap in less time due to being able to hunt faster.

Perhaps being able to complete kill bounties faster as well.

Id say it's more an issue of consistency in communication in regard to the availability of future offerings. I would appreciate more consistency in knowing what will be offered each event rather than the mid or last minute auctions, surprises, etc.

If I'm going to drop a couple thousand bucks for a paid event I think most folks would like a few months notice to budget for it.

flat wasp
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to be fair, it's only new stuff that's not known up front. They tell us which shops/offerings are being pulled.

thin crag
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@olive warren I have another question about temporal weapons. If they're made out of air...shouldn't they be virtually weightless?

thin crag
ocean crypt
thin crag
ocean crypt
modest mauve
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That sounds like a @olive warren question.

olive warren
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Yeah, they get reduced to the absolute minimum once the update goes live.

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Which is the weight of a gem

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1/10th a pound.

indigo cipher
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for some reason I thought it was 1/16. Oh.. 1/10 is the weight of 16 coins. whoops. Well then Bags of holding are even lower absolute max items at 2000

manic bone
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Not to feature creep, but some draw/sheathe messages on the temporal weapons would be sweet... pulling a flaming lance out of my leather sheath the old fashioned way isn't nearly cool enough!

next magnet
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That's weird. Was Renaden always holding that temporal warlance?

gaunt pike
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then your sheath catches fire?

modest mauve
olive warren
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You don't want draw/sheathe messaging, then it limits on where you can put the item. Like the weapon displayers

drifting hamlet
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are there a lot of wheelbarrow redemptions left?

olive warren
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Yes, a bunch. I was also out yesterday.

#

The enhancive charms take anywhere between 10 minutes to 60 minutes to get through, so they've been slowing me down.

hot mesa
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I've been trying to stay logged in for your convenience. And my expedited entertainment value.

brazen glacier
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Oof, ill try to keep mine quick when we get there - is it just time consuming to code all the swaps?

indigo cipher
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making sure he doesn't leave you with the original items intact or with way more on the target item than intended I imagine. Wait, they thought you'd just make enhancive bonus out of nothing?

olive warren
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Most people didn't whisper, or don't have the enhancives.

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I guess I wasn't clear that you needed the enhancives to swap.

amber hazel
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...

next magnet
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I don't know why I didn't think of requesting the enhancives off of somebody else's item

eager cobalt
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You can skip all them and do my tattoo!!

next magnet
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that really expands the utility of the service

modest mauve
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I want the +20 from that one staff, six times

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I'll hit the limit, but I'll be so shiny

brazen glacier
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My whisper sucked - i would have been much better if id realized i couldnt touch it after redeem - apologies RIP

I have the staff 😏

pallid axle
olive warren
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Yeah, I saw the error in my ways when I got "why would anyone choose less than +50?"

modest mauve
indigo cipher
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Look, I've joked about your ability to be the Devil in a bargain before, but that's just... special. Yeah, no, it was plenty clear, people be trying to pull a fast one. Note that none of these say they DON'T come with a billion bonus bloodscrip either.

next magnet
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I did personally think "combiner" implies the possession of items, which would be combined

olive warren
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Things that speed it up though, have all the enhancives in a container with nothing else. Don't save the item the enhancives are coming from, haha.

modest mauve
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You should offer the other one, too. Mostly because I'm curious what the price tag would be

#

Eight digits?

amber hazel
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I may not recover from this one. "Wait, I can pay a flat sum and create my dream enhancive from thin air? Hot damn, my ship just came in!"

next magnet
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you could theoretically have done that with premium enhancives/HESS enhancive boosts and then the normal combiner

#

it would have taken a lot of math

#

you would probably just want to whisper your google sheets spreadsheet link to the redemption item

olive warren
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Haha

brazen glacier
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I was only confused about some details of the destination item, but the fact you needed to own the enhancives to combine seemed quite clear

hot mesa
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I debated a lot on whether or not to get the enhancive charm or the SK. Both very nice.

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Maybe next time instead of a charm it should be a sack, with instructions to put the items in the sack and whisper which enhancives are to be used on each item. I thought it was reasonably clear. But can see people making mistakes since there are quite a few steps

amber hazel
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It's honestly not fair that I can't find out who thought you could create an enhancive using the combiner without owning any of the enhancives. Not cool

indigo cipher
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At least next time I have a sticker for when something like this happens.

eager cobalt
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Maybe they just like to troll Wyrom

pallid axle
turbid pelican
# modest mauve Eight digits?

We should just go full blown godly mirror with 1 use "duplicates any item in game" for 10m BS. Item must be physically in your left hand. "Mirror of Kalandra" is the most expensive item in Path of Exile and does that.

brazen glacier
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been playing since beta, never had a mirror drop

turbid pelican
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And you never will..... scream_goat (Worse drop rate than a GS jackpot lol)

manic bone
olive warren
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Anything that has messaging/abilities from the container side usually overrides the weapon side, or vice versa, so there is all sorts of complications with stuff there. Usually the best thing to do is block them.

manic bone
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Ahh, that stinks

boreal pollen
modest mauve
boreal pollen
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exactly what my thought was, naket barbarian time

modest mauve
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I keep coming back to needing to supply the enhancives. Do you need to supply the target item? Can you ask to have six enhancives merged into something legendary that you don't own?

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"I'd like these combined into a +75 lance, please"

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(You cannot, I'm just following the train of thought)

boreal pollen
olive warren
pallid axle
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follow up question: can i bring in 9 alts and combine all of their mystic tats into one? I know the source item is lost, It's fine you can demonic them.

next magnet
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I’ll just list the character names, don’t worry they’re all mine

boreal pollen
modest mauve
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Good thing I don't have anything worth looting my corpse for

brazen glacier
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so how many +50x6 enhancives did you end up having to make Wyrom?

hot mesa
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Thanks for taking care of my whalebarrow item!

proud pulsar
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I just did 6x +3 spirit

brazen glacier
proud pulsar
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thats the only way I can get my AS over 300

olive warren
boreal pollen
mortal ledge
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I know the enhancive combiner is a pain in the butt to do, but it’s a super desirable service. Couldn’t afford it this time, but I’ve been doing some hardcore enhancive hoarding/management in hopes that it’s offered in the future. Definitely something I would save towards as part of a long-term item strategy

tropic monolith
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Also hope the enhancives thing comes back in some form. Been thinking maybe it's a bag and you put all your fodder into the bag to redeem or something. The bag eats the items and records the enhancives as numbers. So like 1. 5 agi, 2. 10 dex, 3. 7 lockpicking. Then you select the numbers you want and it creates an item.

Probably a ton of work to code, but just thinking of kinda automated ways.

Maybe even copy the fusion merchant that creates single enhancive fodder items, and you insert x number of those to create your thing.

Anyways just a couple ideas.

abstract cedar
turbid pelican
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Monk T6 service, ship it!

abstract cedar
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I was thinking like ranger tiered, can only move +25 to anyone item before its locked forever.

we should give it to savants

warped stump
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Since that is never going to ship, give it to empaths

haughty socket
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empaths get the service ability to stitch additional limbs to someone. +1 arm/shoulder slots

abstract cedar
haughty socket
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Fair, and your body naturally starts to reject the donor limb over time so you have to renew it or it falls off

turbid pelican
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giantman arm +5 str, halfling arm +5 dex.... dark elf arm, -10 discipline, +25% shop prices

tropic monolith
olive warren
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Just an update for those waiting, I knocked out about 30% of the redemptions on Tuesday and into Wednesday. Hopefully I'll get most of them Wednesday into Thursday.

drifting hamlet
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we need our toys now!!!

olive warren
indigo cipher
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I'd complain that you've gotten that song stuck in my head again, but the secret is it's been stuck in there for the last 22 years

plain anvil
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And its because of that commercial, specifically, unlike 1-800-karsforkids

haughty socket
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that just came up in work convo yesterday

indigo cipher
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Yup. When we solve death and everybody is an immortal dementia vampires it'll just be a sea of mindless zombies shouting "JG Wentworth!"

agile spire
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Maybe I'm just weird, but I've always mentally changed that to 877-CASH-COW because I feel like that's how JG Wentworth sees us.

boreal pollen
drifting hamlet
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anyone still waiting for wheelbarrow stuff?

hot mesa
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Nope. Waiting on some HESS stuff still, but not wheelbarrow.

elder pivot
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Yes, a few people we're still trying to catch.

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down to the last couple, though!

summer fiber
indigo cipher
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You wanted the same item combined with itself 18 times?

summer fiber
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nah its the dual script combine

brazen glacier
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what two?

summer fiber
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Blink + Relic

thin crag
thin crag
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Any sense of when we might see that temporal weapon update @olive warren?

summer fiber
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@olive warren If i need to do a follow up on the Script combiner or have a question about it... is it best just to Ping you? I think its frowned upon to direct ping GM's yes? Would it be best to send an e-mail out to you on it?

tropic yacht
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@olive warren Is 506SM still required to be attuned with the offering for 506sk and 515sk?

gaunt dagger
tropic yacht
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That was prior to offering the SKs, so i was curious if the restriction on the sm would also change

gaunt dagger
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The SM never changed, only the SK.

tropic yacht
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Alright, Then I'll ask if 506SM can be unattuned and wait for a GM to respond

gaunt dagger
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Sure, this is the UN-attuned list he provided:

101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108, 109, 110, 111, 112, 113, 114, 117
201, 202, 203, 204, 205, 206, 207, 209, 210, 211
301, 302, 303, 304, 305, 306, 308, 309, 315
401, 402, 403, 404, 405, 406, 407, 408, 409, 410, 411, 412, 413, 414
501, 502, 503, 504, 507, 508, 509, 510, 511, 512
601, 602, 603, 604, 609, 611
701, 702, 703, 704, 705, 706, 708, 709
801, 802, 803, 804, 805, 806, 807, 808, 809, 810, 811, 812, 813, 814, 815, 816, 817, 818, 819, 820
901, 902, 903, 904, 905, 906, 907, 908, 909, 910, 911, 916
1101, 1102, 1103, 1104, 1105, 1106, 1107, 1108, 1110, 1111, 1112, 1113, 1114
1201, 1202, 1203, 1204, 1205, 1206, 1207, 1208, 1209, 1210, 1211, 1214, 1215
1601, 1602, 1604, 1607, 1608
1700, 1701, 1704, 1705, 1706, 1707, 1708, 1709, 1710, 1716

506 isn't on the UN-attuned list, but it's found on scrolls so it could be attuned.

He may change the rules for you if you ask though 🤷‍♂️