#[Duskruin] Mania Replacement

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tropic monolith
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I have sk518, on my sorc, it's pretty fun if you got some extra ways of boosting your bolt AS for sure

torpid shale
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Maybe i buy SK506 and fixprof to warrior!

eager cobalt
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It would be more of a statement if you bought it and stayed a wizard!

candid oxide
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SK 710..would that be viable?

hexed canopy
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36 mana elemental bolt aoe yikes

ocean crypt
tropic monolith
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not sure what sk 710 would do? it's not very good currently, and if/when it changes to SMR it'll probably need sorc ranks

median echo
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a wizard should buy the SM version and wear plate

ocean crypt
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How many simucoins would it cost to SK tattoo yourself with all the options, and become the most powerful magic user in the history of the game? Can multiple spells be added to one tattoo? Or do you have to become fully tatted?

amber hazel
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Altheren is working on it

tropic monolith
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you could have 2 on the same one

candid oxide
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710 is mostly lore/SA focused on boosting it. I agree it's not the most powerful, but open cast 710 still does some work in HW. Basically, it'd feel just like more flares 😆

drifting hamlet
turbid pelican
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Roblar is turning in his graves, all these new SK506 fake swingers

ocean crypt
candid oxide
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Already have a paladin!

median echo
drifting hamlet
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rapid u mean?

candid oxide
median echo
# drifting hamlet rapid u mean?

no - people said a wizard should buy 506 to show dominance. I joked it should be SM so they could wear plate and not have hindrance while keeping the spell knowledge lore.

The blink wandolier does work with 515 and it amazing.

dim jasper
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Blink wandolier? 😮

median echo
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one of the manias sold a wandolier that lets you cast a spell at it, then generates a 40 charge wand 1x/min with +20 AS (possibly CS too). It's incredible

tropic monolith
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yeah, 20% double cast too, it was really stronk

median echo
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works with 515 too.

tropic monolith
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there was also the once an hour version, that had +50as/30cs 100% doublestrike 100% flares, but again only 40 charges an hour, so more limited

The once a minute one was super sweet

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if I remember they even still triggered your runestaff stuff case it acted like you were casting the spell

turbid pelican
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That 40 charge wandolier would fck the wyrm up, Melivn missed his 1 chance...

indigo cipher
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if it triggers staff flares, that wasn't intended, wands aren't supposed to trigger staves (it was in the questions we asked when the item released)

turbid pelican
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Do the current base wandoliers trigger your runestaff flares?

indigo cipher
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I don't think so, I can double check. They have their own flares

tropic monolith
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I don't believe so, it was only those ones that you put your own spells into

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and I guess maybe that was unintended and/or fixed? I don't own either of the two

median echo
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They did not trigger runestaff flares for me iirc, I'll check logs to confirm

abstract cedar
indigo cipher
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I got my hands on the 906 wandolier aftermarket. It's just a plain 906 wand, doesn't flare etc. It's still good for my use case. But yeah, it doesn't trigger flares or anything

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(I don't WANT the wandoliers to be OP, I want them priced as a convenience except for the few exceptions)

pallid axle
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i think the whole thing is a bit of lolfest but it is pretty funny we were like "hey, we need itemization of magical people" and wyrom was like "i gotchu" and i guess technically warriors with 40m+ exp are magical people?

eager cobalt
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Yeah that got me off too. Oh so more spells is what spell casters want!

pallid axle
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but i dunno...get your sk....i dunno, 102 on your wizard! much free ds.

boreal pollen
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wonder if you could game the herb bounty system with sk

indigo cipher
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I do really want 1202 on my Wizard and Empath, but I already tapped out of further spending.

amber hazel
abstract cedar
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Theres one spell I want as a pure and its never offered.

candid oxide
# tropic monolith not sure what sk 710 would do? it's not very good currently, and if/when it chan... 
A brawny gigas shield-maiden deftly avoids the raging tempest.
A lightning bolt arcs out at a niveous giant warg!
   ... 50 points of damage!
   Electrical charge toasts foe!  You get a sharp whiff of burning hair.
A niveous giant warg rolls over onto its side with a whimper before surrendering to death.
A lightning bolt arcs out at a niveous giant warg!
   ... 5 points of damage!
   Light shock to neck.  That stings!
A lightning bolt arcs out at a niveous giant warg!
   ... 20 points of damage!
   Heavy shock gives the giant warg fits!
   The giant warg is stunned!
A lightning bolt arcs out at a tattooed gigas berserker!
   ... 15 points of damage!
   Nasty shock to the neck.  Gonna be stiff for awhile.
   The gigas berserker is stunned!
A grim gigas skald deftly avoids the raging tempest.
A brawny gigas shield-maiden deftly avoids the raging tempest.```

That's with just a 710 imbedded rod, on my ranger 🙂
abstract cedar
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I dont think adding SKs and SM items are really for pures either. I def can find a lot more uses for my semis and squares with them.

pallid axle
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if it works like other MIu spells you might be getting sorc ranks effectively for that on the cast, might be one of those weird it's better imbeded than sk

candid oxide
abstract cedar
candid oxide
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TBH if 125 worked like 710, I wouldn't even be thinking about this at all 😆

abstract cedar
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cant change 125 pures couldnt do endless/s

torn dawn
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just some thoughts and feelings:

I like chasing power and optimizing my character, and I get that power is being sold to support GS and make it successful. SK506 for 1 mil does seem a bit cheap though. If this were to be available regularly at DR, it would behoove me to simply save silver/BS/budget for the next year or two - because it's so powerful that other upgrades (e.g. intermediate transmute to star song) would no longer make sense. I also worry that, if I did buy it, it would trivialize so many aspects of gameplay to the point where I might have less fun. Why bother casting ranger spells when I can fire off 3 aimed shots instead? Of course, I could just not buy it or not use it, but it'd be weird. I think it would become my eventual goal.

I suppose I want to seek power relative to others in a way that doesn't completely out-pace the difficulty of current hunting options. So, overall, I feel a bit conflicted regarding the offering. In hindsight, I think I found it comforting that SK506 was limited and clearly outside my budget for GS.

I'm still having tons of fun with GS and this DR in particular. Guess I just felt compelled to get this out there. And maybe it really will remain somewhat limited given the 1k BS price tag. Maybe this is all just my own inner conflict. 🤔 🤷‍♂️

eager cobalt
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One thing Ranger has going for it is Arcane Reflex. 1s shots means more 1s casts.

torn dawn
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for sure 🙂

cyan jay
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my understanding from Wyrom's response is that while 1m may be relatively cheap, there are only a handful of people who have that BS - so he probably did some math on "how many people can afford to buy this offering and how many of them will pick 506...is that an acceptable number go to out?" just my guess

abstract cedar
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I'm pretty sure his 6 people holding 1m BS is people logged in

cyan jay
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1m BS may be "not expensive in cash" to a lot of people but you can't convert cash to 1m BS all THAT quickly (at least not on average once people have bought up other's BS in large amounts)

torn dawn
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totally

tropic monolith
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1 premium account with the book exchanger can convert cash to BS pretty darn quick

abstract cedar
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1m BS is 2400 bucks, its expensive, 1m for 506SK is Cheap in relation to what it has gone out for

candid oxide
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Melivn did the math on 5m, it's not that quick for a single account to exchange with the gladiator

eager cobalt
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Ah, I didn't think about filling all these character slots out to exchange.
Yep. 360k per character per 24 hours! Heh

torn dawn
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oh the exchange is per character? every 30 min?

median echo
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The perception of this offering being "cheap" is still a bit mind boggling to me.

manic bone
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more than I've spent on my entire star citizen account but that's a scam ;D

wooden geode
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SK 401 for 1m BS... not cheap. SK 506 for 1m BS... cheaper than previously sold for. It's all in perspective of what spell you're getting.

agile spire
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To me, this conversation highlights the fact that it's impossible to make everyone happy. I guess that's normal to see around here though.

turbid pelican
candid oxide
torn dawn
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yep, it'd become a long-term goal

manic bone
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Personally I'm pleased that this stuff is options for people that want it, I'm never going to buy any of it, but if it was 2 years ago I definitely would have at least picked up a SK and a perfect cert

warm viper
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so when do we find out 506 will be subject to the same 2 sec rt floor the 1035 is after the bard review and all SK's will be updated?

turbid pelican
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We need to have a SK mystery bag at shenanigans where you pay only 100K BS and you pull out 1 random SK from that list of ~50... good luck and it is attuned to your character

pallid axle
# median echo The perception of this offering being "cheap" is still a bit mind boggling to me...

i think this is incredibly relevant. and people arguing this somehow invalidates other balance things are kinda ignoring it. it's not like every warrior is gonna suddenly have this. it's basically just gonna be the same 10 people that already have enough gear and items to invalidate any challenge from the game. even "unlimited" it's no real impact on the game that exists for the vast majority of players.

ocean crypt
amber hazel
turbid pelican
eager cobalt
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Didn't you hear about Zhagen's 3 SK 101's?

pallid axle
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SK 801. gonna acantha so hard.

turbid pelican
warm viper
pallid axle
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but i'd point out a few days ago we were losing it over how script combines omg and apparently we sold....0 of them. So, ya know. Maybe this "i'm spending 2500 per item all the time" player base isn't quite as pervasive as we assume (i am, of course aware they'll likely move more of all the wheelbarrow stuff after the auction)

turbid pelican
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Combiner was the red herring to make the 1-2m BS items look "cheap" and it worked. Alasitr level marketing strategies by Wyrom.....

warm viper
abstract cedar
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most of these items are better severed on getting to cap and not once you at cap, the value of them drops off big time as you get more EXP.

wooden geode
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Especially considering we're still waiting for the carrots of ascension hunting to make hunting in those areas worthwhile. Most all current capped hunting grounds do not need all these super high-end things to be good at hunting there.

warm viper
turbid pelican
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That statement makes me think they should auction an item "training harness" that increases your RT by 1-2 seconds, lowers your attack and defense by 20% but lets you absorb +20% experience while worn... thoughts?

warm viper
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just bring back the meditation chimes

eager cobalt
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About these tattoos. How descriptive can they be? Just a 15/15/15? A long? A show?

candid oxide
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I assumed you just got a stock tattoo if you weren't applying to an existing one

manic bone
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I think one of the killers of the script combiner was Wyrom saying some of the ones that sold in the past still haven't been delivered

Instant-adjacent is much more satisfying

pallid axle
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You see Nisugi
They have a tattoo that says 101 -1 in old english font on their lower back, a tattoo that says 101 -2 in old english font on their even lower back, a tattoo that says 101 -3 in old english font on their lowest back```
abstract cedar
manic bone
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Well that's certainly part of it too

pallid axle
radiant cove
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for an SK cone of elements, does one get the different bolt options with just lores, or do you need to actually have SK of the underlying bolt themselves?

candid oxide
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It's available via scrolls and such, so it can't be relying on known spells. I assume it just follows the lore rules

manic bone
candid oxide
pallid axle
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sure but the scope of it is pretty well defined, which is the big slow down. it's just "it does this and this, i smash them together" vs negotiating on scope and vision of a wholly new thing.

it takes apparently like 6 months+ of back and forth just to get a custom property designed (which blows my mind for a LOT of reasons). So yeah.... highly particular nerds fighting over project scope kinda takes a while....he says while staring at his meeting calendar, quietly weeping

indigo cipher
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Wyrom also mentioned that the idea phase is where a lot of the delay comes in, and the combine isn't really an idea service, you get what you get when he crams them together (which is what Far just said, I was distracted by a moth)

tropic monolith
# radiant cove for an SK cone of elements, does one get the different bolt options with just lo...

I have an sk518, if you have the lores you can specify

You gesture at a velnalin.
You hurl a hissing stream of acid at a velnalin!
  AS: +387 vs DS: +4 with AvD: +40 + d100 roll: +65 = +488
   ... and hit for 235 points of damage!
   Large swig of acid enters mouth.  Swelling cuts off essential breathing!
The velnalin collapses to the ground, emits a final sigh, and dies.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.```
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whereas normally I have the earth attuned one, and it's full lore benefits for the DF's on the bolts even though you don't "know" the underlining bolts as well

radiant cove
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thanks vaemyr, that's helpful.

tropic monolith
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yup np

next magnet
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Man people woke up grouchy

bleak crypt
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i blame it on my child who was sent to the principal's office yesterday

dim jasper
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To be fair, Wyrom did say that this would be trial by fire

boreal pollen
ocean crypt
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Sorry Thandiwe. Pokes bear. Kicks dead horse. Satisfies his conflict lust by rereading #pickpocketing and #divergence from start to finish. Goes back to work.

thin crag
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unless they've changed it, this can land you in some massive RT afterwards if you're not careful

next magnet
modest mauve
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So who's going to set up shop as a full time invoker?

dim jasper
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I nominate Warclaidh

modest mauve
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Sell full spell ups in GC for 100k a pop. Do you pay off the SKs before the heat death of the universe?

candid oxide
pallid axle
modest mauve
next magnet
turbid pelican
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Convince Wyrom for mystery SK bag at Shenanigans for 100K BS per random pull instant attune to character

timber pasture
indigo cipher
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I mean... 100k... I'd possibly consider it just for the fun of it

turbid pelican
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Congratz Zhagen you pulled 506, 506SK wizard! so nice I know it twice

spiral spade
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Then you can fix prof

torpid shale
indigo cipher
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it's less risky than a casino as you have a chance of winning

turbid pelican
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definitely needs a price tweak but I would pull if it wasnt insanely priced

spiral spade
indigo cipher
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if we know the spells are stacked to be gags, yes, if it's fair and random, no

turbid pelican
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True, you could get some absolute duds so maybe 100k is right for the risk, I meant it might be priced higher

warped stump
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I need a 3 move enhancive combiner for half the cost so bad

modest mauve
turbid pelican
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I just want my 101 dammit!

modest mauve
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101 is obviously positive value unless you already know it

next magnet
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there's like 300 spells so grabbing one out of a bag would be a pretty high level of randomness

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also the odds of getting an empath healing spell would be pretty high and almost all of those would be hilarious pranks as SK

turbid pelican
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Someone would have to do an analysis of X% are basically worthless, Y% give an avg of Z def

next magnet
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since I don't think non-empaths get CURE

dim jasper
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hmm, can you also cast the spell? heal nerves would be nice

I guess herbs are pretty cheap though 😄

modest mauve
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The 800s work as SKs, I think

next magnet
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you can just cast the healing spells but I believe (it doesn't come up a lot) that if you use CAST you are subject to injuries preventing casting

turbid pelican
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The great zhagen who knows how to heal his own injured feet! This is epic character building stuff!

pallid axle
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800s are what herbs cast. they're just old empaths ground up and made into a poultice.

next magnet
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oh no I'm wrong, apparently casting with injuries is a characteristic of the whole empath base circle

amber hazel
dim jasper
pallid axle
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#1078074152352759900 message <--- that policy could likely use some reminding to people right now just as like, a random non "OMG HASTE" (specifically) thought.

wooden geode
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And having it added to the various MK and SK wiki pages wouldn't hurt too

torpid shale
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Mania fun times at 4pm eastern. Gonna make it real hard for me to drink a giant cocktail and make bad decisions. Guess I’ll be sober!

covert rivet
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Think globally... it's after 5PM somewhere

haughty socket
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why bother with restrictions? drink the drink when thirsty

green pewter
hybrid garden
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I still have two and a half hours of messages to get through, but I see the sleeping giant has awakened.

Edit: Oh, the most recent two and a half hours were a lot less feisty than the two and a half hours before then. 😂

hybrid garden
abstract cedar
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I'm sure you'll catch back up to feisty times. it goes in waves. we need to tag people in and out.

sour raft
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I think SGM Warden, someplace is rolling over in his sleep while muttering something about a disturbance in the force of balance. Personally I'm a bit frustrated and annoyed that I am starting to side on the side of the the altar of balance that Warden worshipped at. The offerings are feeling bonkers and waaay over the top unbalanced. I don't like feeling that way personally, but damn what's going on?

I find myself torn, wondering about the future viability of the game or if there is a future. Is this a short term cash out/cash grab being pushed by Stillfront? Is this just bad management decisions in order to please the customers? It's equal parts fascinating and frustrating to observe and speculate on.

As someone who left after monks came out in 2012 and didn't return until November 2019, the amount of improvements and changes have been wonderful. The games sooooooo much better than it was 10, 20 or 30 years ago. Heck even the last almost four years have been major significant improvements. Which does nothing but impress and please me.

This Monty Haul level of gear access and distribution on the other hand is batsh@#t crazy for the long term game balance and survivability in my opinion. I'm starting to feel that DR is breaking the game. While I'm loving the game more than ever these day, I have growing concerns because I am invested more than ever. The escalation and inflation in game mechanics is real and the balance issues are starting to feel more pronounced. I wouldn't want to be on the dev team and having to deal with this.

pallid axle
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thats the thing. you don't. if people want to pay 50k to plug a game genie into gemstone they can. and you ignore them, because they don't matter for the most part. then you keep desinging the game for the other 99% of the players. which are not in this channel.

turbid pelican
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The best way "improve" your survivability in GS is to spend $$$ on P2W OR cry so hard they nerf your hunting ground.... both have had some success but 1 requires alot more blood, sweat, and tears (but is free)

vast tinsel
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I’ve been back regularly since 2020/2021, and every DR I’ve been to since then has been proclaimed the last cash grab before shutting down.

next magnet
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yeah I have observed a pattern that goes something like 1. some people ask for a thing 2. GMs do that thing 3. people say "they must need money or they would never do that thing"

pallid axle
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  1. people react angrily to the very foreseeable repercussions of thing they asked for (see: unlimited supply and the secondary player to player market for gear)
dim jasper
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what is 5 tho

next magnet
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People ask for more things

pallid axle
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5 is go to 1

viscid bolt
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If we had 6 things, we could put them all into 1 thing.

pallid axle
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for 5m bloodscrip you can combine all of this into one thing. Which remarkably changes the landscape because instead of 1, 2,3, 4, 5 it's 1a, 1b, 1c, 1d, 1e. 🤯

turbid pelican
vast tinsel
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I see this as a big BS drain attempt, which isn’t a bad thing

abstract cedar
dim jasper
pallid axle
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amusingly enough i think the not offering anything useful for pures to breakgemstone as much is a bigger problem than letting the dude with 900+ AS finish their hunt 7 seconds faster.

haughty socket
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I'm just here to petition for a spell casting dahcre box
and a property
and maybe some funny new script ideas
and this lamp

ocean crypt
next magnet
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I would like to see some bonkers things for pures for sure

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Double spell knowledge, all your casts are double casts if you know the spell twice

pallid axle
turbid pelican
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I am getting 101 3x ya fools, my bolt defense going to be insane

modest mauve
green pewter
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I always though a neat idea for pures would be the ability to 'flare' a second spell cast of (possibly significantly) lower level. Like you cast 317 and then have a chance to flare a cast of 302, or something like that.

modest mauve
dim jasper
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Or like, paladin bonding for pures

abstract cedar
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yea thats basically blink

green pewter
# modest mauve Which is blink, right?

Yeah, but possibly more customized - like the ability to have 317 proc 302, and 312 proc 309 or something. So you could create different combinations. Or maybe even with spells you don't natively know, up to a certain threshold.

torpid shale
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What year did they offer unlimited unattuned SKs for 400k BS? Which included 506 and 515? Yes I know BS was harder to get. But that didn't break the game then. I doubt it breaks the game now.

abstract cedar
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I think at that time you would have had a harder time finding someone with 400k BS than you would right now with 1m BS, we're not living in the same times.

turbid pelican
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I think wandolier should have been a "support" item for runestaffs and not a standalone twinflare yadda yadda, should have been if you cast a spell you get X% chance for bandolier wand to cast in addition or "wave wand flares" etc

haughty socket
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it adds a flare to your attack "oops a wand fell out and fired off at the critter"
a sentient floating wand that follows you around like clippy "i see you want to kill this thing"

turbid pelican
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It would be like dual wield, caster casts spell and waves wand at same time, why dont we have this??

abstract cedar
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get wand from my bando
hurl wand at kob
yell "FIRE BALL"

This is how I want them to work.

haughty socket
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is there anything stopping anyone from doing it now?
can you hurl the temp wands?
This would be a great gimmick for a character that pretends to cast spells

turbid pelican
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Spite attack, your 1hr wand explodes and all 40 charges rain on the kobold...

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But real talk, how cool would it be to have a TWC caster equivalent skill for runestaff in right have and magic item/scroll in left hand for chance at double attack or attack plus support attack. These are ideas that get sold for high prices but should be the normal game progression in current mode or ascension.

haughty socket
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that would be fun, to cast a spell and get the runestaff bonus and a second attack like TWC with a magic item in the off hand
I guess the trade off is there is a minor defense loss with having something in offhand right?

turbid pelican
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You would probably need a new TWC magic skill for TPs and be really good at MUI/AS. So you would be TP strained more just like normal TWC.

next magnet
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I don’t think there is any defense loss for holding a wand in your offhand with a runestaff in your main hand. I love the idea of two handed casting

hexed canopy
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They started to do something like that with a few items but none have yet come to fruition (spell rings/blades)

haughty socket
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bias I know, but I like my idea of a spell focus in the offhand that modifies the spells you cast
weighting, sighting, things like that

turbid pelican
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Caster's left hand is an untapped market... mucho monetization potential!

next magnet
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I would also love having a TM focus (oh no crossing the streams) that you can weight up

candid oxide
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🤞 for MK whalebarrow next. Need me some coup.

pallid axle
# next magnet I don’t think there is any defense loss for holding a wand in your offhand with ...

we started down this path of maybe getting a non-runestaff caster item that was going to be a more offensive, "empty handed" option (spell rings).

and after like a solid 24 hours of players trying to break everything about it by talking about everything other than just using it like it was obviously intended the devs were like "lol, i'm gonna go do literally anything else instead"

We are why we can't have nice things.

hybrid garden
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Hot take:

Release all the craziness. I don't mind. I don't care. In fact, if anything, I like it.

I don't have 15x and probably never will, but I do have 10x and that would have been unthinkable a decade ago. I don't have doubled-up Frankenscripts and probably never will, but I do have really cool single scripts and that would have been unthinkable a decade ago. I don't have SKs and... might eventually...? But I do have MKs and those didn't even exist a few years ago.

I embrace the power creep. The rising tide lifts all boats!

Edit: Also, I'm super excited for the (hopefully likely) prospect of things like script adds (and ideally TD and/or ASG changes too? 😄 ) getting reduced costs to be more in line with the new paradigm of transmute-style pricing. Even though it would mean I wildly overpaid for script adds I already did (much like I wildly overpaid for enchanting my zelnorn armor back when that could only be done with premium points), I had my 1.5-2.5 years with them and it's cool. Costs can drop over time!

candid oxide
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Speaking of - I am surprised we haven't seen super enchants return in full (maxed at 12x in current state)

next magnet
hexed canopy
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The spell rings were unequivocally better for squares and semis

tropic monolith
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with loot cap being a thing, I really don't mind that a few people whom were probably already hitting loot cap, destroy stuff and can hit it a little faster

It doesn't bother me at all, doesn't affect my playing the game. Doesn't remove the enjoyment I get from RPing and everything else. So if spending 5k on a couple OP things makes some people have more fun? Go for it I say.

People should do what they enjoy, spend money on happiness, never spend money you can't afford

pallid axle
modest mauve
next magnet
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Wait no that’s still too much brawling for squares

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How do we reduce the circles natively known by squares

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No more minor spiritual for you

haughty socket
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I'm not sure we can accurately use the term power creep in its most explicit form - nothing being added is directly making anything else worthless with the existing content. And nothing being added is 100% required for any existing or new content.
I'm not trying to be pedantic (but probably succeeding), but considering the situation here verses other games, its not like that.

tropic monolith
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The other thing I've learned, being a small? whale these past couple DRs, is there will always be another cool thing, it might not be the same thing, but it'll be another "omg that's cool I want that" later too. So I wouldn't splurg on something here that you can't afford, you'll regret it later.

tropic monolith
dim jasper
haughty socket
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for sure, and I probably shouldn't have posted at all. because its very clear that players can and are becoming more powerful in general.
But its still a PvE game first and foremost, and good PvE games let players grow in power to become near unstoppable death machines, thats part of the fun

hybrid garden
cyan jay
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As much as I could let this rile me up, the fact is that no matter how many bonkers things have been sold to the high-end buyers, my gameplay and experience in GS hasn't really changed...so I think it's fine to let the whales have their toys, let Simu make money to keep the game alive, and I won't worry about whether someone else is having a balanced or unbalanced experience that doesn't affect me.

dim jasper
pallid axle
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it is getting a bit ridiculous. at a certain point you just gotta stop making new stuff. it's becoming a seemingly increasingly frustrating thing to keep finding MORE MORE MORE for the same handful of people to sate the blood(scrip) god.

edit: at the DR cadence we have

next magnet
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Yeah I would be pretty concerned if I thought game balance was going to center on squares with sk 506 going forward but my assumption is it won’t

haughty socket
#

As long as any of this doesn't prevent the introduction of new crafting/cooking/RP items I say let it go until it can't anymore and then figure out how to slow it down. I dont know the back end and the real reasons. but I'm happy to spend large amounts of BS, in the aggragate, on RP items to support those being made even if they are a drop in the collective bucket.
different streaks for different freaks and all that.

tropic monolith
haughty socket
#

I kinda would like a super cheap SK telekinesis item though to throw muffins, not 1mil bs want though.

modest mauve
haughty socket
#

I was shocked that both boxes went that high and that multiple people were game for it. Happy shocked. Dissapointed but not devestated I didn't get one. I am glad to see other crazy people lurking in the shadows wanting those things

candid oxide
hybrid garden
#

Further distinction into Minor and Major SKs in the future, price-wise, would be cool.

Of course, I'm still waiting and hoping for distinction of Minor and Major +TD adds (dispel style) and making the ASG change into AG change while then releasing a new ASG change cert that's cheaper.

sleek onyx
#

Next is 50 cer anything for a flat fee of 8 million bloodscrip

modest mauve
haughty socket
#

isn't that the disk box? I mean you still have to feed it but not hoard them

hybrid garden
#

Listen, man, SK 511 is basically just buying enough 511 x/days.

candid oxide
#

I recognize the obvious mechanical superiority of 506/215/etc as what I should want, but SK 710 sounds so much more fun

modest mauve
pallid axle
boreal pollen
#

While we are got on the topic is 506
Is there anyway to get someone to take a look at it breaking during assaults

I know it’s nothing new but seemed like a good time lol

tropic monolith
modest mauve
next cove
hybrid garden
next magnet
#

I thought they did look at 506 and assaults and that’s why it ends haha

boreal pollen
#

Whelp there we go

pallid axle
#

You have been weighed. You have been measured. And you have been left wanting more roundtime reduction.

tropic monolith
#

that's why tonis is better, for now at least

next magnet
#

It’s literally too fast too furious

hybrid garden
#

This is probably exactly why it's only 1m, to be honest. 🤣

Edit: Also, I clearly need to apply for Envoy next time because this one minute timer stuff is the worst.

modest mauve
#

I didn't get any takers earlier. What's the lowest value SK that actually does something?

silk trout
modest mauve
cyan jay
boreal pollen
pallid axle
hybrid garden
candid oxide
#

104 would be a very low value SK. Most classes can learn it. The number of places in the game where it's relevent may be lower than the number of classes that can cast it

pallid axle
#

the other trick to herb bounties is just don't hunt as or near MA groups. one ma group left atoll and shockingly the grotto herb bounties have been a non-issue since.

boreal pollen
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I have an invisibility lol it’s pretty niche

modest mauve
#

I meant as opposed to like a warrior getting a bolt spell.

pallid axle
#

sk 203. much mana, wow...very baker

modest mauve
#

I'd love to have 213 and 604, but I'm not sure I'd pay for them

candid oxide
haughty socket
#

sk 203 is another SK that I would buy but not for much, because its mostly the gimmick of muffins
50k? I did buy the X per day and slap it on a tattoo so its less important its SK now

wooden geode
#

I really feel a lot more currency could have been drained if the SK/SM certs were in low/mid/high tier certs. Something like SK 203 should not cost 1m BS.

indigo cipher
#

That "choose the SK" always goes to the most cost efficient is one of my complaints about them. There's a lot of B and C list spells I want for fun, but never can because they're attached to the potential for more

wooden geode
#

The hard part would be trying to categorize what is considered low vs mid vs high end

indigo cipher
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If it's never been chosen for choose your own SK, it's at most mid?

tropic monolith
#

I did like the options at last mania, where it was specific circles, which kinda let people get some more unique things I thought for less than the "well this has to be XYZ to be worth the $$"

wooden geode
next magnet
#

SK price 250k per player in the mania thread who says “that’s a good choice”

hybrid garden
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Yeah, the time consuming factor is the problem.
This sounds like a job for Envoys. Organize a thread so we can figure out the most broken possible use of each SK spell to set the ceiling, thus outsourcing the work to players!

pallid axle
vale spear
#

when does the wheelbarrow leave

hybrid garden
#

Cost-benefit, risk-reward:

"What's the worst that could possibly happen if we allow SK 203 for 100k?"
"A sorcerer with 145 Blessings could give +50 mana to an MA army that's all wearing T3 sprite armor and can thus convert the 50 mana into 180."
"What's the best that could possibly happen if we allow SK 203 for 100k?"
"People who really like fluff or RPing as bakers buy it, then buy 100 manna bread customizations from Rumor Woods and Ebon Gate."

tropic monolith
haughty socket
#

I think there is also a factor that involves "not going to an actual cleric or empath who can cast it instead" to a degree
Otherwise, yeah thats spot on. its a sales opportunity at other areas for some spells

tropic monolith
#

I think you could do sk 100's and 400's spells 1-10 for 100k, and let people get whatever. Nothin there that is gonna break much of anything.

haughty socket
#

plus all the sales of charging potions and stuff in the simucoin store

tropic monolith
#

note I think this would be something you'd wanna do as part of hess, not the whalecart where Wyrom has to handle everything.

hybrid garden
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Yeah, keep the wheelbarrow for the top end stuff.

vale spear
#

so both the HESS and wheelbarrow should be here through the 3rd?

haughty socket
#

yes

tropic monolith
#

but like specific SK tattoos in Hess and just release like 10 or something of them, for whatever prices similar to spellbound, could even rotate them every 2 runs or something (writes this down to suggest to the HESS request form)

#

Something else I pondered, is if you could make an x/day work like a SK scroll. It'd still be potentially limited by your MIU on how long you could keep the knowledge and thus use it in spell sever, but it would be a cool option for some further user out of x/days and perhaps people who spent a bunch on them in the past might feel better about said purchases.

turbid pelican
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If they do offer lower priced SK then that is also scary because the game is becoming "design our own profession" based on money

hybrid garden
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"Becoming"?

tropic monolith
#

I mean... profession change potions exist... ?

turbid pelican
proud pulsar
#

is there a way where we can get rid of all this crazy powercreep for everyone except me? Also I don't want to pay 1m bloodscrip. kthx

tropic monolith
#

also the "design your own profession" is returning back to the heart of rolemaster, where if you wanted to spend enough TPs you could totally go train in cleric spells as a sorcerer. You'd be crazy, and there were a lot of draw backs potentially, but it was possible haha

daring halo
#

It's actually when I first started learning what the definition of hyperbolic was.

green pewter
hearty barn
muted void
cold cosmos
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I don’t think I’ve ever agreed with Alastair before ;-). But I think he’s right. This is not good for the game. A few go out, fine, who cares? But offering SKs freely at such a low price point…not a good idea. But I like Nidal’s solution for 506. But this cat has now escaped it seems.

None of my chars have 1 mil BS. But across my chars and accounts, I have well over that. I’d be quite surprised if I was unique.

pallid axle
#

it's 2400 dollars michael. how much can it cost, 1 banana?

vale spear
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Does 506 make the game more fun? Definitely. Does it affect the game overall? In what meaningful way, though? Once you become super effective at PvE all you're doing is getting to the loot cap faster.

amber hazel
turbid pelican
olive warren
#

So the wheelbarrow is my doing. I had people review my craziness before putting it out. And yes, I sat on the SM/SK thing because I wasn't sure what restrictions to apply. It wasn't a "whatever lol" and threw it out there, which I admit, it looks like. It was more going back and forth of doing what we did before with the attuned list of spells. The feeder list is just a quick and easy thing to say. It likely needs to be refined a whole lot more. But don't get mad at anyone other than me for the wheelbarrow. I set out to try to accomplish a few things this Duskruin. I knew it wouldn't be our best run because we had a lot of bloodscrip out there to soak up, there was a lack of buyer confidence due to new materials going out, project pieces were becoming overwhelming, and pricing was getting high in auction formats. So we wanted to try to restore some confidence in what we offer. I'm not looking for this comment to get picked apart, I know there is a lot I can always do here. I put the SK thing on a trend graph to see what sort of pricing I should aim for. I probably should have moved it up a smidge, but 1mil is a lot. That is not a "everyone has it" price point.

I spent about 2 months of onduty time in the last week and a half making good on the material issues coming from RW. I'm still not even close to finishing everyone who has a referral because I haven't caught them online. But I plan to get through it. If you miss something because it waited too long, we can work out something there and shop through me with the refunded stuff. No big deal there.

Spells over 20 are always easy to block out, but 515 does get hit. Maybe we can auction a few off for now, I'll see. But the FOMO, limits, etc have been comments we see that we tried to address. I might have missed the mark here, not saying I'm perfect in this, far from it. I'm just trying to push something out that has been asked for. I don't know if this wheelbarrow thing will come back. Reading this and what people have shared with me in DMs, I probably don't want to revisit it as is. But I think some positive stuff came from it.

turbid pelican
olive warren
#

To touch on Celtar's comment about SGM Warden, I avoid dark alleyways at night because I worry he's waiting for me.

haughty socket
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coulda made a quick 300k bs for a spell casting dahcre box and been done with it...
I'd even buy the broken version

turbid pelican
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I think if you say 3-5 ppl bought SK506 then ppl will grumble whales.... but if like 20-25 get SK506 then the crowd would go ape (seems like more the former)

hybrid garden
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This might actually be my favorite Duskruin ever for all that it represents in terms of more access to power and more sensible costs on some things--mostly transmutes, which remain shocking to me even weeks later.

This is despite it nearly killing the player market of books for bloodscrip/silvers, mind you!

haughty socket
#

I do kind of wish I cared more about mechanics, because this is the best time to make changes at what appears to be "reasonable" prices.
Lot of really good changes this DR, not sure how we ended up in this worrying situation since its basically exactly what a lot of people have been asking for

viscid bolt
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The transmutes win. I'd have never started a set of adamantine plate, or a somnis weapon, having put so much into my current gear. You get my money, I get something that makes me happy.

cold cosmos
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I agree, there’s a lot to like about this Duskruin. And frankly, I really like the wheelbarrow idea. The big thing to change is to announce most of the items and pricing at the start so people can prepare or invest as they wish. Separate SK pricing into obvious tiers if they are offered again.

But make it clear you are retaining the right to add things if you think it’s useful to do so.

I do not believe, even for a moment, that SIMU is “gaming the system” by adding something like spell sever, then a way around it. Even the biggest whales aren’t going to be outfitted with all the spells they could have had before sever.

hybrid garden
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Literally just now, someone DMed me about transmuting their weapons to somnis and I'm like "that's absolutely perfect for your Ronan follower character."

warped stump
#

I disagree on a lot of the "fluff" pricing still. This Duskruin nailed the mechanical pricing though. I had zero intentions of spending money but ended up buying $2k in simucoins. You restored my confidence.

indigo cipher
#

I personally think it should come back, because confidence in availabiilty is important. If we don't know when another chance will come, then people will hoard their millions because they need to jump when it happens, and that's where some of the loop comes from. I want to live in a world where I feel no concerns about spending my scrip when I feel like it, and don't hoard it "in case a good deal" happens because that is what leads to the large blocks just sitting out unabsorbed. Once people adjust to the wheelbarrow, they'll get use to it. In my day everybody was freaking out about 5 runestaves in a shop, and shortly after everybody was freaking out about the HESS. Stability is the most important thing.

candid oxide
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I think a lot of great things happened this DR, I’m over the moon with my starsong bow, and finished a lot of other side projects to boot. I am not a huge fan of the overall “maybe this will stick around, maybe not” only because the price points demand pretty careful consideration and planning. I recognize that sometimes the water needs testing, but the more ability we have to prepare for big purchases, the better

ocean crypt
hot mesa
olive warren
#

Haha Crushbone!

tropic monolith
#

I, had a lot of... skeptism about the wheelbarrow initially, but when you decided to listen to feedback and make things unlimited, it really became something really cool. I'm sitting on several million BS and I will certainly buy some things from the wheelbarrow but I didn't feel the need to rush to buy the second it came out either.

I just want to really say that I highly appreciate that decision, even if that is causing some of the issues with "omg unlimited SK"

pallid axle
#

Frankly if you want to restore confidence stop killing people with making p2w / event stuff and finish the disabler review. finish divine inspiration. make a final deciesion one way or the other on bard and wizard changes. make empaths a real boy, and sorcs too.

Those things hanging over people's heads have been impacting confidence in investment substantially more than "i dunno DO i need a 5th SK?"

#

half the classes in the game are sitting on major pending changes or at least the spectre of them for....2+ years. That makes dropping lumps of bloodscrip on a character you might not even enjoy in the near future slightly more difficult to justify.

tropic monolith
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I don't think anything here in the wheelbarrow has impacted dev on reviews, as it has sounded like this has 100% been wyrom doing this one, also been him doing all the redemptions

hybrid garden
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I get what you're saying, but, I mean, Wyrom's not dev.

olive warren
pallid axle
#

I know he can't snap his fingers and make that happen.

He also can't physically make enough stuff to hide it.

stark hazel
#

Trust me, they don't want me in Dev Code.

olive warren
#

Tivvy is a mini me in terms of her role. She's my replacement on the GM side. Isten is a training/QC leader.

gaunt dagger
vale spear
#

who are the heavy weight dev GMs?

olive warren
#

It's on the wiki, you can look at that list of who works on things like spell disabler.

turbid pelican
#

Mirror mirror on the wall, who is the best coder in all the lands?

haughty socket
#

Avaluka, clearly (not picking favorites)

fierce flint
stark hazel
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That's a loaded question because everyone has their niche that they are amazing at.

olive warren
#

Some Dev GMs dabble in the other side of the game.

hybrid garden
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Playing the game?

haughty socket
#

oh and sleeper cell Modrian for keeping pennant chase alive and actually updated a bit.

stark hazel
#

I think he meant CE-side.

olive warren
#

Other side meaning customer/player experience side.

#

Modrian is the game engine.

tropic monolith
#

You can't really equate pay events, which are generally part of the revenue process, and overall dev work like the disabler review and class reviews and such. Those are things that are generally worked by different teams. Saying "stop team A from working until team B finishes things" is not a good thing to do either for the business or for the GMs or for the players.

Obviously everyone wants those dev things to come out, but that doesn't mean they should stop their other teams from doing their jobs too.

next magnet
#

I think we can all agree we hope to see or at least know more about spell disabler and other updates soon

#

I certainly would like to see them

indigo cipher
haughty socket
#

show up and play PC to support Modrian

sleek onyx
#

@olive warren are you adding splitter to the wheel barrel

hybrid garden
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I certainly won't deny that my Duskruin gear progression notes for years have included caveats like "wait to see what happens with bard/empath/wizard review before any major upgrades to this item."

But yeah, I don't think that stuff (or spell disablers, DI, etc.) is being slowed down at all by people making DR things and EG things who aren't on dev anyway.

tropic monolith
#

I also say that we should "free" GMs if they wish to do RP stuff unrelated to pay events during pay events... (again completely up to only the GM descresion, sometimes GMs need breaks for RP planning/building and such) but that's a whole nother thing

next magnet
granite beacon
#

Am I in the right places for my free SK?

stark hazel
#

What are these breaks you speak of?

vale spear
sleek onyx
#

I concur with brute

stark hazel
#

I've been doing EG Planning, Storyline Prep, and DR (as have several people around me). If we had to keep up an RP schedule during DR I'd be dead.

turbid pelican
#

10mil BS buy-in for whale pennant chase and each pennant is a random SK item

next magnet
#

I will submit the dev feedback that helsfeld needs buffs

indigo cipher
#

I think a lot of people over-focus on the 'prohibition' side of no RP during pay events and aren't realizing that there's a lot of plusses to scheduling that helps all parties

green pewter
haughty socket
turbid pelican
#

9 whales and 1 Ordim enter...

tropic monolith
# stark hazel What are these breaks you speak of?

haha, the best example, I have was during RW, where Kenstrom seemed to get reprimanded? or something for putting out a voting booth while RW was still going on, and had to take it down.

I totally understand that GMs need breaks and pay events make a great chance to do all that planning and work too. But if there are small things that fit in there too? I think it should be up to the GM in question I guess. anyways I'm off topic, back to farming another million bloodscript...

next magnet
#

Yeah I am sympathetic to the RP discussion but it doesn’t belong in this thread for sure

torpid shale
#

All these GMs chatting. I think it may be time for some more teasers for the fun stuff on saturday! 😛

tropic monolith
stark hazel
#

You know, Vaemyr, as well as I do that if one Guru or GM does RP stuff then the rest of us will get piled on for not continuing during DR. While it sounds good of "Oh, letting Joey go out and play." It would b bad. It is better to keep things even across the board.

bleak crypt
torpid shale
indigo cipher
#

Isn't that the same reason why the time limit on merchant sessions is important, to prevent people from pressuring gms' that need to take a break against gm's that are part camel?

stark hazel
#

The 2-hour limit is for many things. Mental Health, exhaustion, etc.

plain anvil
#

OSHA

stark hazel
#

You start to make some serious mistakes after 2 hours of merchanting.

#

Especially if you happen to be that lucky merchant that everyone says, "Here, I like blue. Go."

tropic monolith
indigo cipher
#

Creativity is a prison

stark hazel
#

::pout:: no shackles emoji.

tropic monolith
indigo cipher
stark hazel
#

hehe

pallid axle
#

my main point is: I don't think people were lacking STUFF to buy at dr (transmute was a good and needed change that fixed a new wrinkle cause of rw stuff), but more that they were lacking confidence in the characters they're buying STUFF for.

cloud steeple
# gaunt dagger New-Wyrom.

Dealing with the lot of us must feel hopeless some days without a retirement plan to put light at the end of the tunnel.

drifting hamlet
#

i don't think that is really fair because we were spoiled during the naijin era where we were getting insane amount development. but after divergence stuff there was definitely a lot of negative energy for year or so. I think this dr help a lot in terms of restoring confidence. in both spending and the game overall

modest mauve
pallid axle
#

estild devours GMs to stay young. change my mind.

indigo cipher
#

any jokes I make in response to that would be mean

hybrid garden
#

I hope the new crop of GMs is amazing.

cloud steeple
pallid axle
#

boy did he pick the wrong soul farm then

gaunt dagger
#

So my tl;dr for everything that's been said in the last ... 6-7 hours.

Pick a direction.

Either balance doesn't matter, or it does. But pick one or the other.

Don't pretend balance matters in some aspects (Spell Sever + X/days), and completely ignore it, in others. (Unlimited SK)

If you're going to claim something is going to be limited "by price" then limit it "by price" and don't sell it for 50% off (the last time it was auctioned). If only 6 people had 1 million, then the price should have been at least 2 million for one of the biggest upgrades a square can possibly buy.

sleek onyx
#

whaaaaaayle

boreal pollen
haughty socket
sleek onyx
boreal pollen
sour raft
indigo cipher
#

It's not the first time he's said that too

dense mesa
#

You know it’s terrible when I left this morning alastir was typing and I just got home and he is still typing

gaunt dagger
#

Since it was brought up to me privately. I'd like to state some positive things ...

I was one of the original voices calling for an unlimited HESS (As Hoy points out)(with power creep surcharges). So I do think, overall, the whale-barrow and HESS changes are great. No more script-buying because it's FCFS, no more reselling of limited SPIN night spins. It's a whole lot less frustrating for everyone. Having high cost offerings also helps to create demand, and encourages player to player commerce.

The transmutations for reasonable prices is game-changing and will hopefully help to address some of the issues on the secondary market with "dead projects" because you did something out of order. Keep them available, add more/new options as they're created. I did ghezyte because it fits an RP theme. I think more people would do that if given the option ... What's a Faendryl material, what's a Ronan material (lol), etc.

sleek onyx
#

it took you 22 minutes to type that out?

gaunt dagger
#

I took out a lot.

dense mesa
#

i think this was the BEST DR ever hands down

olive warren
cyan jay
#

I think you're doing a great job Wyrom - and I trust your judgment. Keep it up (but also sleep please) 🙂

dense mesa
#

i don't think wyrom has slept in at least two days i can see so far

vale spear
#

While transmutations were a huge step to reviving dead projects, another big step would be addressing the gear difficulty that is order dependent. Many old projects are now dead solely because they were done in the wrong order (before services came out) and the difficulty is just astronomical. I hope they give another look to how that gear difficulty is handled. It would be nice if each service had it's own difficulty scale independent of the others.

amber hazel
#

Changing Ensorcell to 50 for tier 1, 20 each for tiers 2-5 would help a lot. Ensorcell is the killer.

gaunt dagger
amber hazel
gaunt dagger
#

It doesn't fix anything, they just sell you a bandaid.

abstract cedar
pallid axle
next magnet
#

gear difficulty definitely a conversation to raise, I thought it was a good sign that the bard service moved to a trinket

viscid bolt
#

I'd buy that pot. Just sayin.

vale spear
bleak crypt
#

I just wish FFN would stop going around claiming I’m the best fisherman he’s ever met

pallid axle
#

god no, i'd never do that.
i mean pester you to subsciribe. it's assumed you would due to the amazing content.

bleak crypt
#

Oh FFN you flatter me

abstract cedar
vale spear
#

Spend the first 5 min talking about how amazing it feels to reach a subscriber milestone, how your cat is doing, when you're planning to move, and don't forget to hit that like button also. Every 15 sec "how to" video on youtube.

bleak crypt
drifting hamlet
#

oo selling self mana 1109 (single mana ) 1m bs

dim jasper
abstract cedar
#

Its not something I ever expect to get. Def not at this stage of the game either.

gaunt dagger
#

If you're offering 506 unlimited (for squares) it's only fair that 515 unlimited (for pures) also be offered.

(Yes, that was painful to say.)

I was told this game was PureStone but it's pretty obviously SquareStone.

boreal pollen
abstract cedar
#

Yup Id have done so already

drifting hamlet
#

death flares add for ucs and shield too plz

boreal pollen
bleak crypt
#

Death shields are fun. And I like turtles

gaunt dagger
#

At this point, power only determines how quickly you loot cap. So why are there any limits to anything. If someone wants to hit loot cap 2 hours faster by spending $$. 🤷‍♂️

warped stump
#

The gear score needs to go away and you just need to be cap to max any profession service.

No idea how to handle grit. Not advocating you make it easy to get to above 10 cer

modest mauve
abstract cedar
viscid bolt
#

I would change that proposal to be....there is a max ceiling for every class that, once you reach it, it's done. This is without enhancives. Like for a warrior, once you have maxxed your 3 weapons, it is over, and you can grit anything.

warped stump
#

The time component is fine imo if the difficulty goes down to where a warrior could even improve a claidhmore 1 service at a time.

bleak crypt
# gaunt dagger At this point, power only determines how quickly you loot cap. So why are there...

I agree, but my only issue with what you’re saying is that I wish Gemstone could grow into something where power actually was more meaningful. It would take a rather big expansion of the game, but I think one of Gemstone’s biggest problems is how much revolves around hunting. I wish there were more avenues of meaningful character development. Other games have things like raids, PvP, etc. Having more levers for dev to pull would solve a lot of the game’s problems IMO.

gaunt dagger
proven trail
modest mauve
warped stump
#

Not really. Max enchant is just further gated. There's plenty of items you can't enchant without a skill pot.

I'm using a +2000 pot to finish my armor.

proven trail
#

Sure, or something. I'm just saying, there's precedent.

modest mauve
eager cobalt
#

And they've given a way to "save up" for the more difficult services. Not saying it's perfect, just pointing out there has been progress. Referring to suffusion of course.

vale spear
#

The real problem is difficulty being tied to the amount of crap on the item, so if you don't know what you're doing and you do it in the wrong order, or you started on your item before services came out, you're screwed. There's no reason to have it that way. If you want to gate higher tiers, by all means, do it, I don't mind at all. Just have them all on their own scales. I don't care if T5 ensorcell was like 1200 difficulty. As long as it's its own thing.

bleak crypt
#

Like a cap on difficulty

vale spear
#

or that, yeah

summer fiber
sleek onyx
#

the wheel barrel stuff doesn't show in dusk view account?

gaunt dagger
#

It's outside HESS

sleek onyx
#

thanks Allie

dim jasper
#

For what it’s worth, I would echo what others have said that I think that the offerings at this DR have been the best ever. HESS introductions have been amazing.

I’ll admit I was skeptical of losing the big mania auction, but I think that the wheelbarrow is just straight better. I have notes but they’re all just iterative tweaks.

sleek onyx
#

and you got to spend that 44 million bloodscrip you've been saving

dim jasper
#

Ha. I’m not even close to the biggest hoarder

vale spear
dim jasper
#

The real bloodscrip is the friends we made along the way

summer fiber
#

What this duskruin has been, is build your own project or legendary item, the fact that i even had a chance at obtaining anything has been amazing. I've always missed out on every auction that Simutronics in all of their game lineups have held. And the HESS lineup and the wheelbarrow has been an awesome thing.

I just want to say thank you to the entire community and the staff for tolerating and running any event for us. Thanks.

drifting hamlet
dim jasper
gaunt dagger
#

I'm looking forward to future profession review discussions now that balance doesn't matter.

Could Spell AIMING finally allow for actual AIMING of bolt spells?

Could 513 be a generic +AS booster since a huge AS + 506 is okay?

manic bone
#

The only thing that bugs me was stepping back from long held GS traditions. Like I believe a couple years back add shadowdeath to a bracer was turned down as a possibility because shadowdeath has always been available as 1 offs from auctions/raffles/games... well so has pure coraesine, but here it is in hess

sleek onyx
#

anyone selling enhancive jewelry with 21 ranks of air lore

haughty socket
#

best I can offer is doing >exhale helsfeld

amber hazel
gaunt dagger
olive warren
#

I'd try to avoid the hyperbole because of some SK items selling, since that's not really changing. As I mentioned, I don't see there suddenly being a number of players spending 20x to 25x more because of SK 506. Maybe some of the reserve go to it that hold out.

silk trout
#

If this Wyrom guy won’t sell sk 1130
Why do they even keep him around

olive warren
#

Bagels.

#

I test out all the bagels.

dim jasper
#

Sounds like a good gig. I want a bagel.

manic bone
#

Come visit NY we got bagels for days

olive warren
#

I'm the resident former NYer on staff, that's how I got the gig.

manic bone
#

Ahh that tracks that tracks

NY really is the best. Bagels, Pizza, Wings, Garbage Plates... like what does NJ have pork sandwiches?

summer fiber
#

Hotdogs.

dim jasper
#

I will have to look into this “Garbage Plate”

bleak crypt
#

NYC‘s dearth of quality breakfast tacos is incomprehensible.

manic bone
#

I dunno man we've got Zweigles and Hoffmans.

Garbage plate = a bed of french/home fries, Mac salad and baked beans, with 2 cheeseburgers/hotdogs on top, covered in ketchup, mustard, onions and meat hot sauce.

dim jasper
#

Um

next magnet
#

The term garbage plate may present some branding challenges

urban jetty
#

Taylor ham

muted void
#

thats just sparkling pork roll

cold cosmos
manic bone
#

Well everyone's got their own branding on the garbage plate, but they're all garbage plates

warped stump
#

Glaes plate equals garbage plate

urban jetty
#

What if I RP a dwarven masochist

#

There was somebody long ago who was stocking up on glaes stuff in preparation for breakage's imminent return

abstract cedar
urban jetty
#

He went on to invest heavily in NFTs

manic bone
#

I made quite a bit of money off of NFT's, they were dumb, but that was kind of the point... there's always someone dumber you can sell to when value starts tanking

the HODL crew though, there's no saving them

dim jasper
#

I miss pogs

manic bone
#

Isn't Gemstone just a failing NFT marketplace at this point anyways? Buy virtual things that don't hold their value at all and you can only recoup 25% to 70% of your cost

indigo cipher
#

That's a normal economy

urban jetty
#

Oh, I've always viewed my GS spending as just disposable entertainment expenses. I have no expectation of recouping anything lol

#

Like going to a concert or something 💸

haughty socket
#

I measure all value in how many negative emojis I get on discord

manic bone
#

I'm pretty heavily invested in a lot of hobbies and GS is the only one that's really hard to get anything back out of anymore

In silvers, naturally 🫢

urban jetty
#

It's like going to Wacken. Spend hundreds on plane ticket + hotel room + the festival itself + merch, see amazing bands, get puked on by a Scandinavian dude in a Motorhead t-shirt, lose one of your shoes crowdsurfing, drink until you puke yourself and accidentally lock yourself out of your hotel room, return flight gets delayed for 6 days, then look back and wonder if it was all worth it (the answer is always yes)

haughty socket
#

There are questions about if there will be a silvers treasure search pile at all coming back

manic bone
#

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them continue to try and distance themselves from silvers as a currency

gaunt dagger
olive warren
next magnet
#

They just did a whole silvers auction! That’s not very distanced!

urban jetty
#

I saved this clip from the last time.


Speaking deeply to a pile of mania prizes, Roblar exclaims, "Go away!"

Roblar scowls at a pile of mania prizes.

Roblar swears under his breath.```
haughty socket
#

i guess put it up for a vote? I mean I'd search once, a few people asked. didn't knwo there was drama with it but I guess there always is. I just didnt cause it this time heh

manic bone
slow canyon
#

Democracy in gemstone events is the road to hell

haughty socket
manic bone
#

Just tape a big "NO REFUNDS" sign to the pile

olive warren
slow canyon
urban jetty
#

My mangled spoon collection needs a few dozen more pieces though

haughty socket
olive warren
hybrid oasis
#

sometimes you get a capsule, sometimes you get a mangled spoon.

next magnet
#

The prize pile discriminates against clerics and anybody who already bought SK heroism

#

KIDDING

desert hamlet
urban jetty
indigo cipher
#

I'm still trying to see how people could be upset about the prize pile... like.. it's a fun way to spend a million and then you realize why gambling was awful

next magnet
#

Can you use mangled spoons to eat soup, new status symbol idea

olive warren
olive warren
haughty socket
# olive warren Mangled forks and knives?

this would be amazing to complete Ordim's silverware set. Ordim eats as many things as I can remember with his mangled spoon, never uses it for the spell in it.
OMG this delay is killing my jokes! tibka stealing them 😛
NOT EVEN! you just have to have it in your hand with the food and it uses it automagically!

slow canyon
#

I swear. You could put fame points in a pile and people would drop silvers to get some

next magnet
#

Prize pile saved

feral stone
#

I'd settle for 1109 at Spellbound for 100K again. It wasn't great value at the time

urban jetty
olive warren
#

You just have to type EAT SOUP WITH SPOON.

manic bone
#

Mmm, respectfully there has been a pretty big shift away from silvers as a usable currency for anything other than player-to-player interactions and the occasional auction, every major event is pay currency only now, there are occasional silvers things which are nice, but largely I have struggled to do anything with my silvers except pay for player services, why people still accept them for player services confuses me a little bit but I'll work with it.

Maybe that's not the intent, but that's the perception by myself and quite a few others.

gaunt dagger
#

The only things I hate getting are the guild vouchers.

warped stump
#

Can we get a random enhancive pile for silvers...

hybrid oasis
#

I think that was tried at BMC. it didn't go over well.

haughty socket
#

The eating system is so awesom you can either specify the item or just have it in your hand to use it if the food is appropriate

urban jetty
olive warren
hybrid garden
#

If this Duskruin has proved nothing else, it's that the future enhancive reroller will be an insane silver drain. 🤣

next magnet
#

In any case there are already some specifically teased ideas on making silvers more valuable, including the enhancive reroller

slow canyon
manic bone
next magnet
#

Spife

gaunt dagger
#

Put out enhancive piles - but stagger them by +level.
Level 0 = 1m
Level 5 = 5m
Level 10 = 25m

(Level meaning power level), like original duskruin enhancives

urban jetty
#

In the immortal words of Alan Rickman's Sheriff of Nottingham

next magnet
#

I can’t believe I have to wait a whole minute to hear the rest of this joke

haughty socket
#

new script idea for lower end , with maybe high end options some how - a multi tool eating utensil - Gnomish army "knife"
You pull out a spoon, fork, knife as needed by the food

urban jetty
modest mauve
pallid axle
daring halo
#

Let us use our silvers to build our own equippable mobs to send against eachother.

next magnet
#

I still want them to do the vaalorian army knife which is a weapon base that requires every weapon skill

#

I guess you could also put a spoon on it

modest mauve
urban jetty
#

Make an item that allows you to use silver as a weapon, a la Setzer's Gil Toss from FF6

indigo cipher
#

Yeah, he put that on hold after making it

urban jetty
#

I should've known he'd already thought of that. lol

indigo cipher
#

I wasn't sure if you were joking and knew or didn't. But yes, he made that.

urban jetty
#

There's something (sort of) similar in BG3. You'd have to reverse pickpocket the intended target first, though

manic bone
#

Don't get me wrong the event boxes are very much appreciated, as are the auctions and everything, and I know there's been a huge (and pretty successful) push to drain silvers... aaand I'm just going to put the pin back in here and go play AC6.

wintry plank
cyan jay
#

and it's not that silvers have just been magically drained - players found reasons to spend 200b silvers in less than 3 years so they've been pretty useful I'd say - I assume that was Wyrom's point

wintry plank
#

I do love haste spoons as well even though I have a ton already but can never have enough heroism.

manic bone
cyan jay
#

a lot less than that

indigo cipher
#

We are down to less than 30 bill in circulation I beleive

plain anvil
#

I figure monthly silver generation in the 200m area for prime

haughty socket
#

there was a lot of posts about how most remaining silvers are pooled into a limited amount of accounts and going into the auction having 100m liquid silvers was a rarity.
the majority of players are in fact silvers poor

olive warren
#

Gross silver generation is in the billions every month, but the game does a good job at draining a lot of silver on its own these days.

plain anvil
#

10 figures, or 11?

slow canyon
#

That number makes me feel so poor. Lol

indigo cipher
#

Oh good, wyrom made me not have to overshare

olive warren
#

Well we have over 25,000 characters log in each day too.

manic bone
#

Yeah the event boxes have been huge for that, I just hope they stick around and don't go the way of the dodo because they are eating into profits

daring halo
torpid shale
#

25k log ins. Or individual characters?

hybrid garden
#

Billions doesn't surprise me, given the soft cap is 16m and the past figure given for median for actively hunting characters was 1m per month with thousands of active characters (though not all hunting, obviously).

granite beacon
#

On 50 accounts 😄

olive warren
cyan jay
#

is EVENT BOX 2 doing as well as #1 did?

indigo cipher
#

I'm curious what passive drains are helping at present

plain anvil
#

I think he meant do people like me who login 6 times a day get counted 6 times?

manic bone
#

I make 2-3m a month easy just hunting out my RoL brooch every day + a saturate or two, granted the bowels/rift are pretty wealthy

olive warren
slow canyon
#

God. How? #

final palm
#

Yay boats

daring halo
#

I was going to say, man'o'war isn't cheap.

hybrid oasis
#

...I need to replace my sloop.

tropic monolith
#

people buying ships, repairing ships, moving them around and so on, all silvers

manic bone
#

Time to code a Housing OSA with Shacks/Hovels/Apartments/Bungalows/Mansions/Estates

olive warren
next magnet
#

OSA spawns enemies!

slow canyon
#

Who is still buying big boats?

daring halo
cyan jay
#

how can we celebrate #1000?

final palm
indigo cipher
olive warren
next magnet
#

I am pro a player housing system that spawns kids on my lawn that I can kill for experience and poor loot

manic bone
slow canyon
#

Id pay for a mowable lawn.

hybrid garden
olive warren
cyan jay
# 
EVENT BOX 1 took over 2.9 bil silver, 969 boxes.```
haughty socket
#

nice

gaunt dagger
indigo cipher
#

As far as the event boxes unsustainable, you seemed to imply the most likely change would be the rpa orbs coming out, if something had to. Is that still the case?

manic bone
#

I own a fledgling landscaping business and I don't even like mowing my own lawn, I am ever more shocked that people enjoy doing it FOR FREE

slow canyon
final palm
#

Are mowers even in genre? You need like a scythe or a goat.

zenith fractal
#

gnomes could invent one.

daring halo
indigo cipher
slow canyon
manic bone
#

Reel mowers are pretty simple in theory

fallen tundra
#

Just get a halfling dizzy and hand them a scythe. Easy peasy.

shy jackal
#

Next private property cart... landscaping materials

indigo cipher
urban jetty
#

What we need is the well-documented medieval pastime of Lawn Bowling

daring halo
final palm
#

To be fair, you need a lawn for lawn bowling.

hybrid oasis
#

and lawn darts

slow canyon
#

look lawn
This lawn isn’t just a lawn. It is a perfectly leveled and squared section of pristine beauty. Like proud soldiers on display, every blade of near-corbeau grass reaches for the sky, as though daring the gods themselves to test them.

urban jetty
#

Throwing bowls, as they say

hybrid oasis
#

...some people love the smell of botanical distress signals just that much?

zenith fractal
daring halo
#

Readily kept by someone with a scythe.

manic bone
indigo cipher
urban jetty
#

Missoni says "get ON my lawn"

zenith fractal
#

i know Jay will treat her right

hybrid garden
indigo cipher
tropic monolith
manic bone
#

It's funny how grass lawns caught on, it all started with aristocrats being like "We're better than you because we have to actively maintain our lawn." and then the middle class was like "Ummm we can have pretty lawns too" and then instead of gardeners, when they got home from their 60+ hour shifts at work, they tirelessly toil to make their lawns pretty instead of just leaving them as clover/wildflower lawns that are so dang pretty

hybrid garden
#

Honestly, the people overpaying is probably how this one's setting a record. Gonna be even nuttier with the third box since it'll be active during a period where book sales for Simucoins have stopped!

shy jackal
haughty socket
#

I only had to mow my yard once so far this year, its mostly clover. thats my contribution to the lawn chat

manic bone
#

Not a concern if you don't live in a HOA 😉 neither my house or my duplex, got enough regulations with town/state codes and the feds without some busybody who thinks they're important telling me what I can/can't do

manic bone
shy jackal
next magnet
#

just tell them you'll be the "before" house in the ad

vale spear
#

could we extend the shimu shop sale through the 3rd?

manic bone
vast tinsel
#

I recently had all of my lawn ripped up and replaced with turf. Best decision ever (for me, not the environment)

haughty socket
#

clearly there is an untapped market for maintaining a fantasy lawn too

manic bone
#

personally I would rather die

[Whining Elf, Brawl Pit]    
The area behind the tavern is muddy, with all hints of vegetation trampled. A brawling ring is vaguely delineated in the mud pit by a sprinkling of chalk, but largely indistinguishable from the rest of the area. Tacked onto the fence is a crude wooden sign reciting the rules of the ring. A paved patio provides relief from the mud, and a narrow alleyway leads back around the corner of the tavern.``` my front yard

just the way I like it
haughty socket
#

you'd buy one

cold cosmos
narrow stump
#

My only real concern is the embrace of any amount of power increase via DR spending, coupled with a "clearly must nerf for the sake of game" philosophy on professional reviews. It's hard to take away something other than power is fine, so long as you pay sufficiently for it.

haughty socket
# manic bone personally I would rather die ``` [Whining Elf, Brawl Pit] The area behind ...

Let me upsell you on this -
Lawn addition to properties that make sense to support it. Requires maintenance every so often as the lawn grows out. As it does, it changes a few things - You could find a limited set of bugs when the lawn is in various states of growth. The more overgrown the lawn, the more of a chance to find "rarer" foragables for the climate. A clean lawn has less.
stages would be:
Recently cut
"normal"
slightly overgrown
wildly overgrown

When the lawn is "recently cut" or "normal" you get a minor buff called "sense of pride" it does nothing but exist on your spell bar

manic bone
olive warren
# gaunt dagger How is the "drain" portion of this calculated? Can't you only see silvers when ...

Log in once since I started tracking, though I slowed down on tracking because I can follow some other metrics better now. We can see the majority of silver out there, unless you have it under a mattress somewhere. Anytime you use a shop in town, it's tracked. For example, today the locksmith NPC has made 618,552 silver, random shops around the game have made 3,659,980 silver plus 2,000 silver from some older one that likely needs to be updated, and misc shopping has done 72,975,000 silver (last one is in a week). So we can go through a lot of data these days to see how things are going. Most months see it climb about 2bil or 3bil until a pay event hits with EVENT BOX, Premium Fest, random town festivals, or a larger scale event. The prize pile that I'll put out drained several billion last time, not sure how it will do this time.

tropic monolith
#

I always really love the metrics you share, I ❤️ data

olive warren
#

We've had on average multiple events or auctions each year draining billions. Newsby has a lot of this saved. So hearing things like "nothing to spend on, that's why we had an auction in March/April" is really weird to me. The game is light years ahead of where it was.

indigo cipher
#

Yeah, people can say what they want about secondary effects, but the silvers really are down

gaunt dagger
olive warren
drifting hamlet
#

gasp

indigo cipher
#

I We feel judged!

dense mesa
olive warren
#

I don't know if FFNG wants to share this Disocrd server with the poors, sorry.

dense mesa
warped stump
#

I think we should really just celebrate the ridiculous and silly things this enhancive combiner enabled.

drifting hamlet
#

we all getting sk tattoos now

dense mesa
#

Combiner is way past now

olive warren
#

Mangled knives are the next big thing.

tropic monolith
warped stump
#

What's the SK hotness? I haven't got one of those yet

Also, my only regret with enhancive combining is the money spent on 6 slot fusion and I cant ADD an enhancive to it.

boreal pollen
tropic monolith
#

just a measily 1m BS for some sk506 action, or like 215 or whatnot if you already got 506

warped stump
#

Ah, I'm fully stocked on essential goods from the major elemental circle.

drifting hamlet
boreal pollen
gaunt dagger
#

I abandoned my super long post earlier, but I'd like to see ...

`Dett exclaims, "First one up is a MENTAL SPELL CIRCLE SK tattoo.  So that is spell circles 1000, 1100, 1200, and 1400 that are found on scrolls!"`
`Dett says, "Okay, same thing but ELEMENTAL SPELL CIRCLES SK tattoo.  So 400s, 500s, 700s, 900s.  Needs to be on scrolls.  No 506 this time around."`
`Dett exclaims, "Okay next is SPIRITUAL SPELL CIRLCES.  That's 100s, 200s, 300s, 600s, and 1600s!  Has to be on scrolls!"`
And I think that's a fairly good way to do it.

Return.

Prices were trending down and SK215 was heading toward the, I might buy this price.
I want a 100s tattoo, a 200s tattoo, a 300s tattoo.
Separate offerings.
Separate prices for offensive vs defensive vs utility.

I realize it's way more work, but the modularity is what makes a lot of the things being sold, popular, affordable, obtainable.

mortal ledge
#

I think demand will determine how fair the price is

drifting hamlet
#

i'm buying perfect weapon thing for 750k

gaunt dagger
drifting hamlet
#

reverse auction for the stuff that doesn't sell in wheelbarrow?

hybrid garden
#

It's kinda amusing how the locksmith NPCs making 618,552 silver could probably have been people dumping boxes into the locksmith pool for like 500 silver total if they updated their scripts. 🤣

(Keep in mind it's the end of the month--during Duskruin, no less--and the pool is cleaned out, so 1 silver boxes do get picked immediately.)

indigo cipher
#

I use the locksmith when I fry the lock on my own boxes, it's not all scripters

tropic monolith
#

one of my Hess requests for next time is definitely gonna be SK tat spellbound, specific ones, priced accordingly, like if we're gonna go down this route lets just go. be cool to see some like sk203 for like 75k or something.

gaunt dagger
tropic monolith
#

I also really would like to see the MIU/AS for extra spell slots in spell-sever areas happen, so we could use more of the fun x-days and stuff out there

gaunt dagger
#

It might happen, we just need to keep pointing out how Dev nerfs x/days just to resell SK at 10x the price.

next magnet
#

not sure about the cause effect relationship there lol

tropic monolith
#

the other thing that could happen is if there was a way they could just not strip spells if you cast them, whether it be from an imbed or scroll or item. Like if you used your MIU/AS just let it stay

gaunt dagger
next magnet
#

no, I meant the other cause effect relationship!

#

I'm the one who reads the comments!

abstract cedar
#

you can use them for everything you used them for at the time you bought them dude, give it up

gaunt dagger
#

I prefer my version of the story.

turbid pelican
#

Estilid said he might maybe probably hopefully raise the spell sever limit based on mui/AS. You gotta believe...

tropic monolith
#

yeah that was in the plans, just hasn't happened yet, it'd be nice though

oblique otter
gaunt dagger
abstract cedar
#

you dont buy a computer and then 20 years later complain about how your computer cant run new games.

oblique otter
boreal pollen
gaunt dagger
#

I think that analogy is a little off.

indigo cipher
#

You don't buy an apple product and then complain it can't play new games

oblique otter
# gaunt dagger I think that analogy is a little off.

The better analogy is that you took a risk on a market, like buying a stock, now the stock is down and you're super pissed. We get it, you've spoken it about 50000 different ways and we're drowning in a sea of your tears dude.

gaunt dagger
#

I didn't take a risk on anything. I just want to use the things I paid for. But giddy-up cowboy, I see you want to take a ride

abstract cedar
#

they still work on all the stuff that was around when you bought them

hexed canopy
#

I wonder if they'd consider x/day SK tats (similar in function to SK scrolls but with a little more forgiving duration)

oblique otter
indigo cipher
#

Honestly, other than offensive items and utility items, I've wondered why anybody buys the x/days myself because of burst/sever/storm

drifting hamlet
#

not everyone could buy the 1m option

boreal pollen
#

just pick 2 x/day you like and run those

gaunt dagger
oblique otter
gaunt dagger
#

I'm just going to ignore you before I take the bait and get myself in trouble. Good chats tho!

oblique otter
#

A minor miracle.

indigo cipher
#

... I feel as though I just saw a ponycorn

hexed canopy
gaunt dagger
hexed canopy
#

the tats are already uses/day I think? The MIU ones are recharges/day, right?

warped stump
#

I agree in that an extra spell in spell sever areas from a combination of arcane symbols and magic item use would be good.
200 ranks for + 1 spell
400 ranks for + 2 spells

indigo cipher
#

or give the slots per skill rather than combined, to encourage using both systems

warped stump
#

That would work too but I kind of want squares to get 1 extra spell
I think pures should have an edge wearing outside spells though.

hexed canopy
#

that would give pures an edge, though
maybe something more like:
200 ranks of MIU/AS +1
200 ranks of FA/survival +1

turbid pelican
#

Hot take, Sell Sever should be zero spells UNTIL you train in MUI/AS and then 1 spell per 100 ranks of either

tropic monolith
#

I thought the point was kinda to give pures a bit of an edge, due to them generally being a lot squishier in those zones

indigo cipher
#

I'm not entirely sure if pures having an edge on outside spells is inappropriate though.

hexed canopy
#

that was one of the explicitly stated goals of spell sever, so seems unlikely 🤷

indigo cipher
#

bah. I'm still in the "remove all the limits and balance around having them all" camp

turbid pelican
#

When you start to notice the avg. AS/DS of Hinterwilds critters increase by 30-40 for no reason then +2 spell sever on its way RSN

hexed canopy
#

maybe the Hive will be a spell free for all

eager cobalt
#

I much prefer being self spelled than logging on another account to spell myself up.

gaunt dagger
hexed canopy
#

I don't mind that stance, I just think if they add scaling at all they'll want everyone to have a fairly equitable shot at the scaling

warped stump
#

Squares are always going to have redux. That is untouchable. Pures should be able to wear more spells through training just like squares can take better hits through training.

The +2 extra spells for pures would allow 215, 606, 211, and 1606. All the standard AS spells.

tropic monolith
#

Personally, I actually enjoy spell sever, and the fact that after getting to the point I can hunt it I just, don't need to care about things like invoker or spellups and whatever.

I like things being designed in that wheelhouse, but I also don't think I'd mind everyone having like an "miu/as" slot or whatever, just not really sure how it would work/be coded. But you could probably figure a way to tag something as invoked/MIU'd

I was kinda originally in yeah, balance all the things... but now I think I've been converted to the "lets just let people have fun" I still want stuff to be hardish, current diff in HW is pretty great IMO, but playing with toys is fun for a lot of people.

gaunt dagger
tropic monolith
#

yeah as a sorcerer (which has a lot of good tools in HW, and I hope reviews help provide everyone else with those things)

warped stump
#

1 extra slot for squares with 100as/100miu is better than nothing and the 2 extra for pures should pretty much cover the MIU stuff most folks bought from spellbound or acquired via other means.

gaunt dagger
hexed canopy
#

warmages and 519 are both solid there

gaunt dagger
#

I had a premonition that was coming.

tropic monolith
#

I mean Earthdiver blows me outta the water in HW with his bow

next magnet
#

No, you had a temporal reversion that it was coming

warped stump
#

Or release the first elite ascension skills.

10 ascension points to wear 1 extra spell in burst (OTF), sever (HW), self spell (Rift) without penalty.
20 ascension points to wear a total 2 extra spells in burst (OTF), sever (HW), self spell (Rift) without penalty.
30 ascension points to wear a total 3 extra spells in burst (OTF), sever (HW), self spell (Rift) without penalty.

gaunt dagger
next magnet
#

The discussion of additional spell sever slots is all to the good but it’s for another thread

#

Unless you’re proposing putting spell sever slots in the whalebarrow

tropic monolith
#

I mean...

hexed canopy
#

that's sorta how it started but yeah tangents and all

turbid pelican
#

I can't understand why more ascension "general" skills like packmule aren't being put out to satiate our hunger, even mundane ones under the guise of "things can/will change in the future"

gaunt dagger
warped stump
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1 million bloodscrip to make an x/day an SK item?

tropic monolith
gaunt dagger
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It's great that events is putting out all this new, expensive stuff. But what we really need is for Dev to finish, like, anything. Any of the various reviews (disabler/sorcerer/wizard/bard). Until the basics are done, all the extra stuff is hard to get to.

It's dangerous to make big purchases when any/all of the pure classes could be competely different then they are today.

You're pretty safe as a square, and bonus for squares, because all the upgrades are square-focused.

turbid pelican
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The spending on PF and str for a halfling mage is so awkward I still dont have packmule.... so much wasted ascension on PF/str that I dont need and wont benefit me.

tropic monolith
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two different teams, not that I don't disagree, like the HSN premium things were neat, I enjoyed them, but boy are players starved for a lot of the juicy stuff that's been cooking.

turbid pelican
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The HSN stuff had the 2 things I enjoy most in this game, bounties and enhancives..... I am satisfied for awhile with premie. The uptick in exp/hour from 10m bounties has been meaningful if you throw in LTE drains to speed it up.

tropic monolith
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but yeah as far as the whalecart, let's drop some 515's in there

agile spire
manic bone
modest mauve
manic bone
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Clearly you have not met my character xD

modest mauve
hybrid oasis
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mass share at TSC

olive warren
# manic bone I didn't mean that as a "there aren't outlets to spend silver on" in general, I...

If you'd like to start a thread about this, tag me so I see it. When tossing out ideas, think of incremental stuff that isn't shoot the moon. I'm all for exploring reasonable outlets. But the wealth gap in GS is pretty big after the last 3 years. Looking over daily active users, you'll see tons of people under 1mil silver, a good junk in the 1mil to 10mil, and then it's a dry zone until larger numbers.

proud pulsar
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I'll look for the thread but the immediate thought I have on silver drain is WPS wagon out all the time. Windows still keep the timeframe reasonable, it wouldn't hurt warriors, both because grit is outside of wps windows and also because grit is mostly useless for our own gear...and then you make WPS merchants also operate outside of windows, but at higher prices. That's an easy way to drain silvers on a regular basis that wouldn't be shoot the moon at all based on the way windows work.

olive warren
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Would have to be the other way around. Incremental more expensive when always there, merchants show up with the cheaper window pricing. The window jazz was never part of the original plan. The window, in my opinion, ruined it.

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Very few people go beyond 25 services a month.

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But those very few people are why we drain billions on WPS still.

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It's like Adv Guild recharging for silver. Does like 500mil.

warped stump
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I'd look at very low hanging fruit (doesn't sell much) in the simucoin store and shift to silver sinks.

proud pulsar
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Maybe just give everyone the ability to get up to 10 services per window each month for silvers for reasonable pricing, and then if you wanna go beyond 10, you pay the premium at a merchant, festival etc.

olive warren
olive warren
manic bone
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I would like to see as a small option, maybe an AG task assignement option that eats 50 or 100k from my bank account but lets me choose my next bounty. Sometimes I just really am not in the mood for hunting and would drain some silvers just to do gem bounties back to back

olive warren
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And I already give them out and sell them a lot.

spiral spade
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npc healer that doesn't leave scars and heal instantly...

olive warren
spiral spade
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npc corpse collector ... like being imploded but no wounds

spiral spade
proud pulsar
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expensive instant cross realm travel

manic bone
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No worries, I figured the task thing was a long shot. Food buffs or the like would be fun to explore, maybe with the already existing cooking system and rare ingredients that have to be found or purchased for a larger amount, for like strength, AS or CS, exp absorption. Or maybe a gold saucer where we can gamble or play minigames for rare alter fodder/unique outfit items or rewards (though that would probably pretty code heavy)

Actually, let me make a thread before I doze off and forget and everything gets lost here

modest mauve
proud pulsar
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I thought it was limited in some way, I'll have to look into it

manic bone
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and it caps out at 10 a month doesn't it?

modest mauve
manic bone
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it's 50/75/100k for the first 3 and 100k for the rest, I use it pretty heavily, but the 10 per limit is a bummer sometimes especially if there's a festival or something in the EN that I'm going back and forth to

modest mauve
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Want me to start the thread?

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There's some good stuff here.

manic bone
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If you want to, I was starting to pool some stuff in one I just made in general but if you want to make it by all means! I'll go deleto that one ;D

spiral spade
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rent sk506 by the hour - 1m

proud pulsar
modest mauve
manic bone
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If people want to repost their ideas in there that'd be great too 'cause I'm exhausted and probably have missed some stuff

gaunt dagger
gaunt dagger
indigo cipher
# olive warren Would have to be the other way around. Incremental more expensive when always t...

I'd really like to know more detail on how the non window worked before I form too many opinions. If the window was gone but the scaling pricing remains (e.g. evry service add just raises the price forever), it's completely non viable in my mind. If instead the price was just utterly fixed with no window or scaling, I'm curious at what breakpoint in the current window/scaling the price would be fixed at. Is every service at the current 20th price or higher? It does seem like that's where the big challenge comes from, pricing it to be an attractive option enough to use without being a steal. The window accomplishes this, although I don't like it in general. So yeah, that's one data point I don't know I've ever seen, does "no window" mean price would just keep scaling forever, or price is fixed at x services in the current window model.

boreal pollen
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Any chance someone can take a look at the outstanding spell book redeems?

torpid shale
boreal pollen
oblique otter
boreal pollen
warped stump
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For the enhancive combining, were you able to use premium enhancives?

dim jasper
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I didn't try. Which stat/skill are you having a hard time finding as fodder? (I guess you're plat - I can't help =/)

indigo cipher
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I could see somebody at plat prices just wanting the simplicity of slamming together their enhancives

bleak crypt
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in Prime I would avoid using a premium enhancive because I hypothetically may want to sell it one day. Even though realistically I almost certainly never will. But in Platinum I'd think that's less of a concern. There's less of a market to sell just about everything, so why not attune it. But you probably know more about that than I.

warped stump
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That's my main thought is if using the premium enhancive would attune the whole thing
Was curious if anyone had done it

abstract cedar
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I to am still in the delusion that people want to buy my stuff and I can recoup costs. 😄

warped stump
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I traded a +6/+5 zelnorn arm greave for 75k bs to give ya an idea of how stuff moves second hand

hexed canopy
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In plat though right?

warped stump
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Yes

cold cosmos
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For what it's worth, I'm going to agree with some of the other folks in saying this is the best DR ever. For me personally, I will miss the auction part of mania (I didn't get excited about the game parts of mania or the freebies so much but that's because my luck is worse than Beldannons!). But when I look at the overall enthusiasm and excitement...this all-in-all was pretty good.

I thought a bit about (I forget who it was who was advocating for this) the idea of the game being balanced around everyone having every spell (an exaggeration I'm sure) vs. having mechanisms like spell sever. Rebalancing the entire game this way is a LOT of work. Moreover, sever's never bothered me personally-and I probably have more spellbound x/days than Alastir!-but more importantly, I don't want to have to go through all the work of trying to get craploads of spells on my toons before they hunt. I like the idea of knowing I'm only gonna get 2 to stick. I DO think we need a mechanism where we can get more to stick though. And maybe that's a way to use up silvers-pay for a special blessing that lasts for a day (and through death) that protects one more spell from being severed. Or whatever (I'm not advocating for that, just giving it as a possibility aside from the Ascension ideas already mentioned).

The SK pricing was whacked in my view, yes. But I think the concept, and the pricing overall, is exciting and does open up a lot of possibilities for a lot of folks who would never have been there with a higher entry price. So, though I think there should be 3 tiers, say 500k, 1m, 3m or maybe 4 tiers with truly ultra SKs like 515 for 5m at the top tier, the general idea and general entry price is great. If the less exciting SKs were dropped to 500k (or even 300k), a lot of them would be picked up but not change the game balance a lot (I'm assuming most people might get at most a couple and no one's going to go get them all-but if they did, great! Simu will love you most! ;-).

hot mesa
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It's worth remembering that these particular SKs are tattoos, so they can't be sold. And most of the field activation spells lose a lot of appeal for a square, so they aren't the panacea some seem to think they are.

cold cosmos
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good point

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Why are two of my sentences in red above?

dim jasper
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Usually means they weren't received by discord (so we likely can't see them)

indigo cipher
cold cosmos
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Thanks. I'll do this differently ;-)...
and, for a square, you really likely need two (an SM and an SK)...or a pocket Paladin
and, these are not guaranteed not to change when (if) profession reviews actually happen

cold cosmos
dim jasper
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One minute I believe

indigo cipher
cold cosmos
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That avoids the problem of a game-wide rebalancing too

indigo cipher
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The person with 5 x/day items may feel "I just run one macro to activate them all, this is less fiddly than managing sever slots"

cold cosmos
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So, let's all agree, within the next 5 years we'll have a spelled-to-the-wazoo-or-you'll-just-die area!

😉

indigo cipher
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We should put Kenstrom on it

cold cosmos
indigo cipher
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I don't know, and if he was, there would be a general taboo around confirming it, so you get to wonder forever now

bleak crypt
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Maybe he could indirectly confirm it by telling us his wife is Barbiestrom

cold cosmos
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lol

I had no idea that was the case. I know a number of gms in real life-but I guess that's in part because I knew them when they were players.

cold cosmos
rain timber
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Is the reason why anyone would choose a SM tattoo over an SK because of armor hindrance concerns?

amber hazel
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Different spell availabilities, I think

cold cosmos
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Aside from what's available (so that might dictate it), yes, that's the only reason I know of. Not sure that helps you though, lol. Alastir would likely know definitively though.

indigo cipher
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Do SM's have charge needs?? I honestly don't know much at all about them, they're not well documented

cold cosmos
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no. Most SMs just take the mana cost ("self mana") from your mana pool and that's your only limit. An x/day uses it's own self-generated charges, but unlike an SM, once you use the charges for the day or 24 hr period (some go by that, not by a change at midnight). An SK works like an SM accept you know the spell natively rather than using the item (the SM) to cast it from. Hope that explains the 3 well enough.

The one caveat is, some SMs require double mana for the spell being cast. This appears to be a designer factor not a required system factor.

indigo cipher
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then maybe for arcane or offensive spells it doesn't matter and not having hindrance is enough of a bonus. But not having the manage charges has value there too.

final palm
hot mesa
boreal pollen
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^ bingo

pallid axle
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so you get the SK then get imbeds. ezpz

sour raft
# olive warren Would have to be the other way around. Incremental more expensive when always t...

I'm pushing 20k in suffused grit as a warrior because I find it to much of a PITA system to get much use. All of my padding on armor projects have come via Sadie since returning. BTW since returning I enchant, ensorcell and now I'm working on doing my first 330 projects. Why? Because those systems are better.

BTW did you make the Wear Wear gear? Love it, but man really bites that the gloves and boots don't have even a small pocket for my dirk!

abstract cedar
# cold cosmos For what it's worth, I'm going to agree with some of the other folks in saying t...

the rest of the game is already balanced around having all the spells for the most part, spell sever is just spell burst that doesnt suck because you dont need to train in something so they just used spell sever to be fair and not have to tune up ascension mobs that much more, honestly though even if they did I dont think it would change very much anyhow. 5m for an OTS top tier SK is $12g thats wild its beyond wild, I'll never agree that casting a spell 2 seconds faster is worth any sort of money like that ever.

sour raft
cold cosmos
cold cosmos
amber hazel
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I actually like sever too. It's a lot better than burst. I don't like having to put a huge amount of spells on before hunting. I do think there should be a path to additional sever slots via training and really hope that gets some traction.

boreal pollen
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i agree pures should get extra slots too tbh

turbid pelican
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I had such a nice curated set of MRs that gave me something ridiculous like +170 DS and +110 spirit TD

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(I can't what until next HSN when premies get 2 more spell sever slots and a third arm)

sour raft
# boreal pollen i agree pures should get extra slots too tbh

Honestly, now that I'm playing all the professions again (damn alt-fever) and I have more of a clue on all the various mechanics that were tweaked, added or what have you while I was gone from 2012 to 2019, if they really wanted to help pures and semis to a lesser extent they could review some of the training point costs for many of the skills that feel mandatory and yet cost so much. Ugh.

cold cosmos
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But in the end you can always learn everything, regardless of the cost. In other words, in the end it hardly matters. I know getting there's a question but I haven't found it hard and I've always leveled my own chars, never bought any.
I think the only char I've never played was a monk so I can't speak to that really.

sour raft
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Eventually, sure. Problem is quality of life as you level at times leaves a bit to be desired due to mechanics changes in my opinion.

half sparrow
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Min mstrike RT is 5, right? So if you do 1 sec swing and 3 sec cast RT, you get an extra swing per 4 swings (EDIT: if you have targeted 5-strike like me). Which seems a lot better than coraesine double-strikes, if only in that specific scenario (material, not the relic script). But more than that, you can spend about 75% of your time in guarded stance. Just gotta watch your stamina!

I will have an easy time of air lore, if I get this, but I would have a lot of work to do on stamina recovery. The good news is the "fallback" is 1 second swings.

hybrid garden
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Yeah, exactly. Although I was also thinking of more the opposite scenario, where someone's mstriking with a lance in 10 seconds. 😂

half sparrow
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Suckers. My lance mstrike is 8 seconds 🙂 I was thinking (above) about my nagi with 5-second MSTRIKES. But 1-second lance mstrikes are within possibility, too.

modest mauve
hot mesa
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It doesn't make a lot of sense to use 506 with mstrike when you can pew pew pew at 1 second per and no stamina cost.

half sparrow
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Naginatas are exactly 20 AvD better than a weapon that is about 20 AvD too low to be worth using 😁

modest mauve
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And I love my spear. Just continually curious why naginatas keep getting surcharged

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And I keep wondering if it's because someone (side-eyes Goat) has a crazy one

warped stump
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No, naginatas make zero sense on the restrictions.
The AvD this is decent against cloth and scale but plenty of weapons beat it at chain and plate

hot mesa
modest mauve
next magnet
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no

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they are genuinely just not that great haha

indigo cipher
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The game is just operating under a blood curse. Somebody's dying will was that nobody else would ever get to enjoy naginata like he did.

tropic monolith
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Naginata's are one of my favorite leveling weapons, I have a 6x flaring naginata that has gotten probably more use than any other weapon I own

hot mesa
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What really makes zero sense is Lance DFs. "Nope, no horse required? Nope, you just stand there and thrust like it's the Rocky Horror Picture Show.

hearty barn
pallid axle
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you already paid a bunch for it to use one handed. almost 100% puncture damage if you're aiming.

next magnet
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lances also require 68 agidex to maximize, spears require 23

viscid bolt
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You could basically not be able to walk in a straight line because your dex and agi were so bad and still aim a spear. My claid takes 83 combined for me to max it at 5 sec aim. I do wish it was less.

eager cobalt
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Man 68 isn't much at all. Just a few enhancives.

modest mauve
manic bone
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Lance might be slower but it hits way better

sour raft
modest mauve
amber hazel
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nice

granite beacon
next cove
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Do away with naginatas and make them all halberds and modify halberd avd to +20 and remove restrictions

hot mesa
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Or just do away with the restrictions

warped stump
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Really hope we see enhancive combining come back next DR. Would honestly prefer just a 1 move combining cert in HESS between 150k and 200k bs.

vital basin
bleak crypt
abstract cedar
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Have we opened 515 for the cart yet?

boreal pollen
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September 4th at 00:01

half sparrow
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On the dark gold spell book you see
(402) Presence
(418) Mana Focus
(507) Elemental Deflection
(508) Elemental Bias
(515) Rapid Fire

(Edit: Don't mind me, I'm just over here trolling with my 515, 1109, and 318 scrolls)

eager cobalt
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Glad I haven't bought the 506 yet. 515 nature's fury sounds much more fun.

hybrid oasis
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waves around her sk 318 scythe in plat

half sparrow
daring halo
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I'm curious and I'm sure someone here would know. Do SM items get affected by hinderance as well when used?

indigo cipher
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we had an earlier discussion, hindrance bypass is a bonus of SM

half sparrow
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The SK tattoo... do you choose a tattoo from the stock tattoo list and location? Or custom? Or is it not a visible thing? (Asking for a friend)

eager cobalt
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It is a visible tatto. It works when hidden. I'm curious about if it can be custom as well.

vale spear
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i chose stock but apparently you can do custom

half sparrow
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You just put that info in the message you whispered to the orb?

eager cobalt
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And when we say custom what are we talking? 15/15/15 or can it be a long? Maybe a show?

hybrid garden
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Wake me up when SKs are attached to charms so they can go straight into character-bound menu systems. 😄

Edit: I'm sort of saying this tongue in cheek, but also not. If the manual redemptions are too much of a pain, maybe this would be better served with a different system in future runs. Wyrom's comment about the enhancive combiner working better in the DUSKRUIN verb made me think of it.

hybrid oasis
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It has to be unscripted.
None of the moving/morphing/shifting ones or the flypaper ones with verbs.
I have spells on four custom tattoos currently.

eager cobalt
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Nice. Do you know the character limits?

hybrid oasis
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All four are 15/15/15 and show.

indigo cipher
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Totally read that as "flapper" ones

hybrid oasis
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standard character limits, but the 15/15/15 has to be clear that it's a tattoo. so a something/something/tattoo or a tattooed/something/something or the like.

gaunt dagger
manic bone
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I like that idea, I'd contemplate picking up some cheaper SK's for basic defensive spells just to keep them through spell burst/sever

#

... well actually I could just learn those for the most part given enough time to generate endless exp xD

which leads me back to "Sell me 7.5m exp potions"

gaunt dagger
vale spear
#

how much for direct database access

indigo cipher
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9.32 Billion SEK

vale spear
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ya'll wanna chip in

vale spear
thin crag
vale spear
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I think "nothing to spend on" probably refers to daily mechanics rather than pay events. There are some decent suggestions that were thrown around over the years for money sinks:

  1. unlimited cross realm travel at a silver cost
  2. 30 day stat/skill boosts that cost silvers
  3. pay silvers to get invokered on demand 24/7 in FWI
  4. full time WPS wagon that lets you do something like 10 service a month with silvers

prolly others I'm forgetting. People want constant silver drains available.

gaunt dagger
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You have to have drains if you want anything to remain sustainable. First thing I would do is lower generation, then figure out how to get people to spend a portion/all of their generation.

... but the little guys will never catch up -- They're never going to catch up anyway. People with more will always have more. (You're paying event currency for anything of real value anyway.)
... but it will feel bad for diamonds to sell for 1k. -- That 1k will have higher value when everyone has less. 10k is just a bigger number without an actual higher value.

cold cosmos
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I think you're spot on

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You know, I really don't like this agreeing with you. What the heck's happened in the world. Everything is all topsy-turvy! 😉

gaunt dagger
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People generally like what I say, just not how I say it.

rain timber
slow canyon
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Except the moment you do that, you lock in the value of existing silvers at a higher value because new silvers are harder to generate. It would be a fully regressive tax. It could never happen. Staff could never spring this on the game with no warning. That means those in a position to generate maximum funds in silver would do so instantly and perpetually. Hoarding would be the move, in anticipation of the upcoming forced deflation. It would devastate low silver holders, who would also see no benefit

oblique otter
slow canyon
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Eh. Uncertainty creates unwillingness to spend.

oblique otter
slow canyon
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So i think it would just as easily increase silver hoarding. After all…what are staff gonna let me do with my silvers?

abstract cedar
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as long as there are people willing to grind and sell silver people who have the cash to buy silver will get the nice things for silvers.

slow canyon
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If staff were gonna do ‘gold’, it needs to drop with no warning and alongside silver. It would need to have specific uses that silver cant do. Its gacha mechanics 101

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Gold would need to be loot pressure neutral and drop in all grounds. This would facilitate silver transfers from silver havers to gold havers of all levels

gaunt dagger
# slow canyon Except the moment you do that, you lock in the value of existing silvers at a hi...

So we're just stuck with things the way they are because "regressive tax" and "existing silvers become more valuable" in your opinion?

Those with means to generate funds, already generate maximum funds. It doesn't change anything, it just compresses how far apart the 1m and 35m earners are from each other.

They could continue to offer drains (big drains) for those with the most, until things eventually level out.

It would take time, but the "low silver holders" would eventually be on more equal terms as the generation is compressed to smaller numbers and the divide shrinks.

I will also point out, poor people will never catch up to those with the most. Never. No matter how hard you work. You will never catch up.

slow canyon
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Except this is a game. Its not real life. I dont have to accept it. I can unsub and walk away if i feel like the game suddenly became less accessible

gaunt dagger
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Or you could realize this might actually help you and not throw a hissy fit. (This is not an insinuation that you're throwing a hissy fit, this is a statement that unsubbing because you don't like something would be having a hissy fit.)

You will never earn your way to beating the hordes of silver. It has to be drained, generation has to be tamed, so it can be controlled.

slow canyon
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Or it might not help me. It might harm me. Your predictions are speculative and non reverseable

indigo cipher
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Before the drain efforts, the total silver was north of 200 billion, it's now below 30 billion. The idea that they haven't drained down is pretty hard to agree with. Also, the goals of this discussion are strarting to get very convoluted. Is the goal to equalize wealth, drain wealth, or just give "low silver" people more bang for their buck, while trying to somehow magically prevent people with lots of silver from getting more? you can't have all that

abstract cedar
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The drain has worked, but I'm still waiting to see what that means for anyone because as far as I can tell its nothing.

gaunt dagger
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Btw, it will never happen, because it would require Dev work, and they are already trying to do too much. So don't get too upset over theoretical fixes.

indigo cipher
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The last auction had a massive number of things go out for way less than anybody ever expected. Those items were steals. Yeah, people with < 5 million still didn't get anything, but the prices on that last auction were low

abstract cedar
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were they low because people didnt have the silvers to spend or because the market is saturated with amazing gear now?

slow canyon
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I have yet to see anyone on staff explain the tangible outcomes of any of this. If the goal is, ‘we can give 10 players a fighting chance at auctions’, i honestly think dev time is better spent elsewhwere

gaunt dagger
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The goal is a manageable economy. You can't fix anything when billions are generated each month.

amber hazel
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So far the existence of Event Box is the tangible result of silver drain and loot cap. I don't think there's anything else

slow canyon
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Give me 5 benefits that are tangible and specific of the ‘manageable economy’. Event boxes is the only one i know of. And its form is …shaky. They are staying, with unknown forms

gaunt dagger
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Tell me what you think silvers are getting you.

None of the really nice stuff is sold for silvers.

abstract cedar
slow canyon
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Nothing. If i had them, theyd get me event currency. And they are never going to sell the really nice stuff for silver.

gaunt dagger
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They get you nothing, because we generate billions each month and they have no value.

abstract cedar
indigo cipher
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You are saying that as somebody with like.. 800 million silvers of boat to your name though

amber hazel
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I honestly don't really understand why players are still accepting silvers for services but I'll keep paying for services with silvers as long as I'm able to

slow canyon
tropic monolith
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I mean silvers have been pretty reliable trading at 800k per 1k BS this DR, if they were so "worthless" noone would dare trade them for event currency

abstract cedar
candid oxide
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>beg silver

stark hazel
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Let's not accuse people of having hissy fits at (checks the clock) 8:25 in the morning because we think someone isn't going to step in. Lets remember to be civil of opinions and not accusatory.

abstract cedar
#

tone joke
What is a more acceptable time to do this?

slow canyon
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Im having a great morning. My student loans were forgiven. I cant fit a hissy if i tried right now🙂

indigo cipher
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the people who want silver are fueling the economy, and those people are the ones being described as broke, but they're just super liquid and spend as they earn etc. It doesn't mean they don't exist just because they're not saving in a game

gaunt dagger
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I didn't see anyone accuse someone of having a hissy fit.

Unsubbing would be throwing a hissy fit, but he hasn't done that.

abstract cedar
# candid oxide `>beg silver`

Fashioned from black material, the bag has been expertly embroidered in silver lettering with the words "Mo silver, mo problems." It is currently open.

sour raft
amber hazel
gaunt dagger
gaunt dagger
gaunt dagger
abstract cedar
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silvers hold value as a result of pay events.

covert rivet
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sips coffee

gaunt dagger
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It helps that you can buy event boxes, but it doesn't hit the loot cappers.

abstract cedar
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waves Hi I get pretty deep into loot cap every month, I have also spent just about all my silvers on buying event boxes and books for silvers this run.

stark hazel
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Can I ask why this conversation is happening here and not in the Silver Thread?

#

I'm probably missing some nuance.

gaunt dagger
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Which Silver thread are you referring to.

stark hazel
indigo cipher
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I mean, it's there too

gaunt dagger
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These aren't silver sink ideas, also I blame @slow canyon.

abstract cedar
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you should prob blame brute if we're scrolling up

covert rivet
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i am just here for morning coffee amusement

stark hazel
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I'm not looking to assign blame. Just trying to get the conversation back on the Titled Topic.

slow canyon
covert rivet
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I am Manic about coffee... there, Topicus Targetemus!
Narrator: Erek just totally made up some Latin

sour raft
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The talk of silver, value, currency, balance, I feel are going to come up in a conversation about ideas for a pay event. It’s just going to. Might as well just shut down the topic if you can’t accept that fact.

tropic monolith
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back on topic... sk515 in the wheelbarrow yet? 🙂

covert rivet
plain anvil
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Ad Victorium

covert rivet
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took 3 years of Latin in school and all he learned was how to make up words so they look vaguely Latin

eager cobalt
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Some people get away with murder on the daily eh. Too hard to be an adult.

plain anvil
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Took 1 year, learned V = W and vini vidi vici sounds a whole lot funnier

abstract cedar
plain anvil
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Then price match the upscaled cost

abstract cedar
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you gotta fomo buy in, and pray and hope that its offered then just look at your dragon hoard of BS after and be like now what. It's a great system were you need to spend your money upfront. But we have got away from MOST of that in a lot of places so thats great, someday we'll be there fully maybe.

tropic monolith
abstract cedar
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I'd be beside myself right now if it dropped and it was over 1m though in that cart now that book sales have ended.

sour raft
abstract cedar
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they're tats for SK so yea

tropic monolith
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SK tattoos, are tied to the character

sour raft
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Oh, right. Brain fart on my part. Guess I should get out of bed and go make some coffee. Wow, that was thick of me. lol

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I had totally forgotten that all of this was limited to tattoos only.

gaunt dagger
gaunt dagger
amber hazel
tropic monolith
turbid pelican
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Its a doubled edged sword, we don't need gear to thrive but our top-end might suffer

tropic monolith
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because we're competing for the slimist of pickings, like the whalecart is awesome to combat the "competing vs each other" feeling, which is why it would of been nice for just one of the things there to be pure enticing

amber hazel
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Pures are less gear dependant than physical professions for sure. But gear is just fun. Pures is "got a runestaff? Got armor? You're done" and that's not really fun if you're the kind of person who enjoys working on projects/new scripts/etc

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Like there's really no point in owning more than one runestaff. Your spells all work the same way. Physical classes have multiple weapon types, armor accessories to take advantage of, etc. I know I'll get yelled at about "wrong thread" eventually but hey this is where people are actually chatting so here I am.