questions-2

[long whale]

I don't see any difference in meaning. It's just if you're writing something about your family home, you wouldn't want to start every sentence with "Wir". Or they may have been talking about their house first (how old, how many rooms), and then, if they wanted to talk about their garden, it would be natural to start that sentence with "Im Garten..." (as opposed to the house). :)

[fossil otter]

Oh. Right, that makes sense... Thank you so much!

So, when the sentence is being restructured, how would the positions of the verb, subject and object change (when the locative phrase is put first, as in this instance)?

Does the verb form necessarily occur before the subject (as in the case of 'haben wir'), or is there no hard and fast rule?

[long whale]

Nothing else would change, since the main point in German syntax is the position of the verb (always in Pos. 2)

[upper lynx]

In german there are usually a bunch of possible orders for your sentences. Only some hard rules

[long whale]

And if the subject isn't in 1, then it must be in 3, yes.

[fossil otter]

Ooh, okay! So that's always a constant

[long whale]

(in a main clause, that is) :)

[fossil otter]

Okay...

[long whale]

Yeah, the position [of the conjugated part] of the verb is the constant - 2nd in a main clause, last in a subordinate clause.

[fossil otter]

Right, so even if there's an infinitive, I'm guessing it should occur before the verb in the subordinate clause-?

[long whale]

For the rest, TeKaMoLo applies: time, cause, modus, location. I.e. if time is being mentioned, it's in Pos 1 or 3.

[long whale]

Not sure what you mean here?

Ich kann heute nicht ins Kino gehen (kann = conjugated -> Pos. 2; gehen = infinitive -> last position)

[fossil otter]

Oh, no, I got a little confused

[fossil otter]

Right

I got that one

Thank you so so much!

[fossil otter]

I think I got the root of my doubt

If there's a gerund as well as an infinitive in the sentence, like 'I wanted to go dancing' where 'to go' is the infinitive and 'dancing' in the gerund, does the infinitive precede the gerund just like it works in English? 'Ich möchte gehen tanzen'

[long whale]

No - ich möchte tanzen gehen (and tanzen is not a gerund, not in German, anyway, not to my knowledge) :)

[lunar crown]

Meine Deutsch Lehrerin hat mir gesagt, das toj toj toj 'viel Glück' bedeutet, aber ich habe nicht verstanden wie es geschreibt ist und ich finde es nicht über Internet. Ist toj toj richtig?

[upper lynx]

toi, toi, toi https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/toi__toi__toi
Du sagst es immer 3 mal.

[fossil otter]

🤔 Oh, I'd been told otherwise

[long whale]

By whom?

Not that it matters much - it just won't work. :)

[fossil otter]

Right... that might've been elsewhere

But, again, thank you so much for all your help!!

The sentence order thing was a bit hazy, it's all clear now

Vielen dank!

[celest pollen]

Warscheinlich denke ich fährt der Zug nach Biegen pünktlich ab✅ ❌

[long whale]

"I'm probably thinking..." - ?

[celest pollen]

ye

[long whale]

Wahrscheinlich denke ich, der Zug nach B. fährt pünktlich ab = I'm probably thinking the train for B. will be leavingn on time -> doesn't make much sense. Unless you aren't sure what you're thinking. 🤷

@celest pollen

Didn't you rather want to say "I think the train for B. will probably leave on time"?

[whole karma]

was ist das Gegenteil von "irgendwelche" ?

[celest pollen]

even just "probably" - "Werscheinlich" is enough
I wanted to make it better and with this "denke" and I ruined it.

so
Warscheinlich fährt der Zug nach Biegen pünktlich ab✅

[long whale]

What do you mean? Would "some" be the opposite of "any"?

[long whale]

Missing the verb.

[whole portal]

Keine ...=

[wise pendant]

Bestimmte ...=

[long whale]

einige/manche - ? 😹

[austere lily]

Wenn du Englisch üben willst, könnten wir uns privat auf Englisch unterhalten

Ich hab ne Frage. Soll ich "könnten" oder "können" schreiben? Ich weiß, dass "könnten" Konjunktiv 2 ist, aber ich verstehe wenig Konjunktiv 2

(I want to say "If you want to practice English, we could chat in English in private")

[mellow nova]

könnten doesn't make much sense to me there since it's 'wir'

[austere lily]

Is it not "Wir könnten" ?

[mellow nova]

that's the correct conjugation yes

but you should use können

[wise pendant]

both makes perfect sense
könnten - could
können - can

[mellow nova]

what reason would you ever say könnten there

[austere lily]

I just feel like können doesn't fully convey what I want to mean

[wise pendant]

Konjunktiv makes things more polite and makes something less assertive

[austere lily]

With könnten I wanted to be saying "we could (theoretically)" and also I wanted it to be more polite

[austere lily]

Danke!

[lunar crown]

Danke!!

[ancient pulsar]

Er hört nie auf das, was ich ihm sage.

i thought this would be darauf

instead of auf das

why is it so?

[narrow pier]

okay so subject is always Nominativ, is that why in this sentence ( die Tasse steht auf dem Tisch) the ( die Tasse ) did not become ( der Tasse )

so understood it like if sentence is dativ cause obviously there is no motion here, then the start of the sentence has to be dativ too

[long whale]

For suggestions, KII is what you'll use. ;)

[long whale]

There's a relative clause, and the relative pronoun can't refer to a da-compound. :)

[sly ferry]

Would you use this in spoken language though ? 🤔

[long whale]

Frankly, that's nonsense. :) A sentence cannot "be Dativ". Think: He loves her. It will never be "Him loves her". Why not? Because a sentence usually needs a subject (he) and the subject ist usually in Nominativ. :)

[narrow pier]

okay so is there always a subject like ALWAYS?

[long whale]

Puh... in this particular case... when not concentrating... perhaps. It would still be wrong, I'm afraid. :)

[sly ferry]

No, not when the sentence uses the passive voice, e.g. the chair has been moved
No subject

[long whale]

Wouldn't worry about whether or not it's always ALWAYS. You'll get to that later on. :)

[narrow pier]

what do you mean , is it not important?

[long whale]

I did NOT say it wasn't important. I did say I wouldn't worry about it right now. :)

[sly ferry]

Or well, to follow up on this to make it clearer, technically there is a subject but it's the same as the direct object

[narrow pier]

because if the subject is just a pronoun like ich and in the sentence it says ich lege den Löffel , here its accusativ cause its after an accusativ verb

[narrow pier]

what should i search about

to learn it

[long whale]

Yes. And "ich" is the subject, and it's in Nominativ.

[narrow pier]

I cant help myself to not learn any grammer

[long whale]

Yeah. But if you had a kid who was having problems with 2 + 3 = 5, would you really encourage them to get into how to find out what x is in 2 + x = 5?

[narrow pier]

i get you but its been a long time since i started so I am kinda concerned i dont know those things

I said i will only practice German on Deutsch Test books to pass the exam, but it seems my mind can't accept it

[long whale]

The thing is, when I read #questions-2 message, I pretty much know you're still having huge problems with 2 + 3. 🤷

[narrow pier]

yeah

😢

i did not study grammer that good tbh

[long whale]

Evidently. Look, basically, there are 2 ways of learning a language: either by input only (works well with small children, requires enormous amounts of time when adults try it), or you consciously learn grammar and vocab (step by step, bit by bit), supplement them by input (reading/listening) and practice (speaking/writing). The second version takes some effort, and also time, yes. But with the first method, you'd need hundreds, if not thousands of hours where 10 hours would get get you with the 2nd method. 🤷

So, I'd suggest opening a beginner's book and studying everything you ignored/overlooked the first time round. :)

[narrow pier]

you are absolutely correct for this one

I may have to take the test in a few months so I hope i get there , thanks @long whale

[wise pendant]

Representing them as 2 different methods really is not stating how it actual is.
The amount of (comprehensible) input you need is always similar. You cannot substitute listening and reading with grammar.

Learning vocab is useful yes. Why is that? Because it makes input comprehensible. Vocab itself won't give you the skills you need. Only comprehensible input in the end achieves that (especially in the long run). Grammar also only serves that purpose imo.
Going only for input is usually not feasible, as most of it will not be comprehensible.
But heavily focusing on input is key nonetheless. It needs to be or made to be comprehensible tho

[narrow pier]

by input you mean you getting a lot of German shows or idk , like getting new contents

I might need to invest more time into it then

[wise pendant]

Input is everything produced in German. Like everything

[narrow pier]

ohhh

[wise pendant]

It should be from a native or atleast C level speaker produced though. So that it actual is natural real German

[swift bough]

I feel like every time you use the word input to describe that, nobody knows what you mean, no offense

[wise pendant]

Input is a fixed term for that in the context of second language acquisition

Btw. since consciously learning grammar works kinda like training wheels on a bike, you could theoretically completely leave it out, if it would otherwise make it even much worse for you.
If grammar would be the reason why you might completely stop learning German it might be an idea to try to read and listen to stuff (videos, articles, shows, books etc) without learning much Grammar anymore, as reading and listening can also make you get used to grammar patterns.

[wise pendant]

If I would always leave out words, just because someone doesn't understands them, I'd not even give you a chance of learning that word if you don't know it yet. Conversations are about communication and communication also includes sharing words and expressions you might not have heard in certain context. I don't think it's bad to use scientific terminology.

[swift bough]

Well if nobody knows what you’re talking about at first, I don’t see how it’s the most effective way to explain things anymore.

At least explain what it means if you’re going to use it.

Don’t just assume everyone knows.

[narrow pier]

I will get myself to bit more Grammer and get more input , thanks btw for explaining

[swift bough]

I remember the first time I saw you use it, I had no clue what you were talking about (but I do now).

[narrow pier]

Vielen dank susana

[mellow nova]

if it makes you feel better i understand that word andré

[swift bough]

So do I

[wise pendant]

I'm explaining it in a way where it describes it most accurately. I don't know what the other understands or doesn't understand. For me input has always been the term for it that everyone uses. So how can I know which words to leave out, when they make sense for me, a non-native english speaker?

[wise pendant]

You got it! Have fun!

[swift bough]

Don’t you me @mellow nova

[fervent kernel]

[narrow pier]

[swift bough]

off topic now though

[wise pendant]

Sure

[fervent kernel]

I understand the word too, Andre

[swift bough]

I was just pointing out every time I see him use it, the person he’s talking to says „what do you mean by input“.

[icy flax]

isn't it clear what "input" is? I mean, English is not my mother language but it is extremely clear to me. Even in Portuguese we could use this word mid-sentence, most would get the meaning.

[swift bough]

Although since I do know what you mean, I must say, my study abroad experience was what taught me the most. I was speaking German the majority of the time, I spoke English only to the other American students really. @wise pendant

[swift bough]

Apparently not.

[icy flax]

exactly

[icy flax]

thank you

[wise pendant]

Maybe I do leave it in anyways. Because when a person asks about it, and I'm answering, that person has actively engaged in conversation with that word, actively thinking about it, which would make the thing consciously cleared up much more memorable, as if I were to put everything in text.

[whole portal]

What are you guys talking about

[swift bough]

Just saying the word „input“ feels extremely ambiguous. @icy flax

That’s mostly why

[icy flax]

whether "input" is understandable in a language learning context.

[swift bough]

It could mean a multitude of things

[fervent kernel]

Yes, it was the same in my case. English is not my native language, but i could understand pretty well what he meant by input
I guess we've been exposed to a lot of these terms by learning german.

[whole portal]

As in the word input ...?

[wise pendant]

Study abroad experience is really good, as the amount of times you need to consciously figure out things in the other language, ie. reading/listening and trying/needing to understand, really high, like important for daily necessaties even.

[icy flax]

yeah, literally "in-put"

[whole portal]

I don't get why there would be a discussion about this ...?

[fervent kernel]

Einfach so yoshi

[whole portal]

It's a word, it exists ... what now?

[spiral vapor]

Well, if you don't know what a word means, you can always just ask about it?

[swift bough]

necessities*

[wise pendant]

I used that word in explanation and Cursed Alien said, I shouldn't use it if people don't understand what I mean

[wise pendant]

thx

[whole portal]

no that's illegal

[wise pendant]

This!

[wise pendant]

I mean it can be very broad sure. But in language learning context it is pretty clearly defined imo

[swift bough]

When I explain things I try to go for an approach where the person almost always understands it the first time.

[spiral vapor]

And if the person doesn't know about it, and asks for explanation, it shall be granted. No need to disallow the usage of a word.

[swift bough]

Nobody was wanting to disallow anything.

[narrow pier]

what the fuq

[wise pendant]

No further engagement = less conscious time spend trying to understand = less sticks in the long term memory

[swift bough]

I was just saying I don’t agree with using that word

[spiral vapor]

yeah, I just realised I didn't express myself well enough

[whole portal]

yes I will come to your house and beat you up

[fervent kernel]

Then, what should he replace the word input with?

[narrow pier]

are you guys being serious `?

[spiral vapor]

I meant there is no need to switch this word for another one or try to go around it

[wise pendant]

I mean I could always just say "reading and listening"

[swift bough]

It would depend on the exact sentence. I just wouldn’t use it.

[wise pendant]

But thats always such a mouthful

[swift bough]

I would need an example

[worldly portal]

exposure maybe

[narrow pier]

this is tunrning into a philisophical discussion ,

[swift bough]

This is a much better word IMO

[worldly portal]

we like linguistics 😁

[narrow pier]

input is better

[swift bough]

Is that bad?

[mellow nova]

that's not what input means

[narrow pier]

no its fun

kinda

[swift bough]

ok

[wise pendant]

As input is really everything, like from reading the back side of your juice box or watching a movie, to getting yelled at in the starbucks queue from an old lady

[swift bough]

It is but ok

[swift bough]

If you describe this as input, the word exposure works perfectly for this as well.

[narrow pier]

have you guys all graduated from University ?

[narrow pier]

exposing yourself to the language, nicee

[swift bough]

You can’t get language input without being exposed to the language

[mellow nova]

you can't eat without some sort of food preparation but preparing food =/= eating

[fervent kernel]

Nate 😅 why are you so against the word input

[fierce idol]

I don't think this discussion should be here actually, since it's not really about learning German, or is it?

[swift bough]

Why are you so into convincing me that it‘s the best word?

[fervent kernel]

Shut up bulli, this is a serious discussion

[fierce idol]

Well, have it elsewhere

[wise pendant]

I use input to use it in the combination with comprehensible. I could say "comprehensible exposure" but that would not be it.
Exposure is not being giving attention.

Comprehensible input needs your attention and intention of trying to understand.
Just hearing the news from the tv next room or listening to music is not "comprehensible input" as I would put it

[swift bough]

Huh? Did not understand this analogy whatsoever

[mellow nova]

can't help you then

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wise pendant]

As long as questions that come don't get spammed into oblivion it should be fine

[swift bough]

ok just forget it bye

[fierce idol]

Naww, people already complained, so let's end it here. Feel free to use #general-2

[wise pendant]

Oh, sry. I always enjoy debates. Especially when people are of different opinion as there will always be an opportunity to learn when we explain our pov to each other in detail.
But I guess it's not the right time now, take care!

[swift bough]

It’s not really fun debating against 4 people for me

[wise pendant]

oh if you feel like we were debating against you, you misunderstood. It would have been a killer move, from you providing us your reasoning and make us all change our minds though. I'm sad people don't always see it like that

[ancient pulsar]

i will decode this sentence later

but thanks

[fervent kernel]

Hey i've got a question. Which one is correct?
(1) du hast einen Salatkopf in deinem Mund kleben
(2) du hast einen Salatkopf in deinem Mund klebend

@worldly portal 😂 salad is good

[worldly portal]

love it 😋

my guess would be kleben

[fervent kernel]

Yes, my gut feelings say kleben too. But the problem is, idk what kind of grammar it is 😂

I would like to read more about it. But i dont even know what to search for

[wise pendant]

That sentence is weird like do you really mean to say that? or is that just grammar wise?

[mellow nova]

partizip 1?

[fervent kernel]

No i heard it from a song

[wise pendant]

The thing is
"A head of lettuce is sticking inside of your mouth"
is kinda weird ykno

[fervent kernel]

https://youtu.be/YcP5MEnPGyM 6:00

[wise pendant]

"Du hast Salat zwischen den Zähnen"

[worldly portal]

ist das anni

[fervent kernel]

I know, it does sound kind of weird. But sentence structure wise, i just want to know what kind of grammar that is

[wise pendant]

The -nd ending makes it into an adverb

[feral rivet]

klebend is Partizip 1

[fervent kernel]

Should it be klebend then?

[wise pendant]

"Ich laufe Salat zwischen den Zähnen klebend nach vorne" where the whole italic part is just describing the verb action

[mellow nova]

idk your native language but in english it's the exact same thing as -ing

[fervent kernel]

Found this
https://www.deutsch-als-fremdsprache.de/austausch/forum/read.php%3F4,91429

Apparently you can use haben with infinitive

But it's not schriftdeutsch

Rather umgangssprache

[worldly portal]

I look forward to learning Partizip 1 after this

[mellow nova]

it's pretty simple

it's the same exact thing in english

past participle is one type of adjective, present participle is a different type of adjective

stuck vs sticking

(or in germans case, also an adverb)

[fervent kernel]

That means, you can say ich habe es an der Wand hängen

[worldly portal]

damn

[fervent kernel]

But then, what's the difference between:
(1) ich hab es an der Wand hängen
(2) ich hab es an der Wand hängend

this makes me want to cry

[wise pendant]

You could say both and there seems to be a slight difference there but you would translate both with the -ing form in english

maybe this

1. I have it hanging on the wall
2. Ich have it on the wall hanging

[fervent kernel]

Oh lord.. this is confusing

[worldly portal]

ah so it's not "i hung it on the wall"

[feral rivet]

Maybe this helps 🤔
Du kannst das Partizip I verwenden, wenn das Verb eine aktive Handlung oder einen Vorgang beschreibt (Aktiv) und die Handlung / der Vorgang in der Gegenwart stattfindet (Präsens).
(https://learngerman.dw.com/de/partizip-i-1/gr-39131663)

[fervent kernel]

No, that would be: ich habs an die Wand gehängt

[worldly portal]

mhm

[wise pendant]

more or less, kinda, in a sense, perhaps

[worldly portal]

your example made sense to me 👍

[lunar crown]

Warum schreibt man manchmal 'ich habe' und manchmal 'ich hab'?

[spiral vapor]

ich hab is colloquial (umgangsprache)

in this case, people made the word shorter so it's easier/quicker to pronounce

cuz they're lazy

[lunar crown]

ohh, okok makes sense ahah. Danke schön :))

[whole portal]

ich hab' the ' indicates that the e went missing but it can be omitted when omitting the e is very common

[long whale]

If you ask me, the difference is 1 is so much more common, mentioning 2 wouldn't even have occurred to me. ;)

[whole portal]

using participles is weird like 80 % of the time just avoid it tbh

[long whale]

Edit: I checked and only 1 is correct (Der Infinitiv steht nach haben bei den Verben stehen, stecken, liegen, hängen u.a) ;)

[wise pendant]

Ich hätte jetzt auch gesagt, dass 2 so wahrscheinlich niemand sagen würde

[queen oyster]

Hi, to make this to become a imperative

einen Termin mit Herrn Schmidt vereinbaren

for du, can I say

Vereinbarst einen Termin mit Herrn Schmidt!

for ihr

Vereinbart einen Termin mit Herrn Schmidt!

??

[mellow nova]

the du one is wrong

[queen oyster]

oh... why?

[mellow nova]

that's not how you conjugate du imperative, check the conjugation again

[queen oyster]

Should it be Vereinbar einen Termin mit Herrn Schmidt!

?

@mellow nova?

[devout needle]

may i know why the words in german are switch like the other way around, and how do i write sentences or say a sentence like that

[mellow nova]

yes

[acoustic breach]

you mean something like
ich mag Fußball
Fußball mag ich
?

or hauptsatz vs nebensatz thing

[devout needle]

yeah

thats right

[queen oyster]

thanks

[acoustic breach]

the general rule is that the verb must be in 2nd position
so i could say something like these:

ich spiele am Abend Fußball
Fußball spiele ich am Abend
am Abend spiele ich Fußball

[acoustic breach]

so long your verb is in second position, it’s accepted (also with correct word order of course. that’s another topic)
except in nebensatz, where the verb is put at the end

and the part that is mentioned first would be the emphasis
Fußball spiele ich am Abend (Fußball is emphasises)
ich spiele am Abend Fußball (Ich)
am Abend spiele ich Fußball (am Abend)

[devout needle]

ok thanks, might need more questions on that but ok i understand the basics, (might ask some more questions later) but for now thanks it means a lot

[devout needle]

btw i see your nickname and it says und di si right and und du ist not acceptable in a long run, may i know why

[acoustic breach]

in this context, you need to say „und dir“. some context may need du or dich

when someone asks you „wie geht es dir“

you say „mir geht es gut“
then you want to ask the person the same question as well
your question would be „und wie geht es dir ”, so it would be „und dir ”

mir geht es gut. und (wie geht es) dir?
.

in some other situations, you may need the other form (e.g.: du)

someone asks: was machst du?
you say: ich spiele ein Videospiel. und (was machst) du?

here you should use „und du“.

[novel mural]

how do u say he likes soccer

is it er mag fußball?

[charred harbor]

Yes! But don't forget to capitalise nouns in German :D

Fußball

[novel mural]

oki

[novel mural]

sorry but what is we both like school

[long whale]

Please do not post the same question in more than one channel. I hadn't seen your 1st question had already been answered -> I could have saved myself the trouble. :)

[novel mural]

sowwwyy

[long whale]

The infinitive, the form you'll find in the dictionary, is vorgehen :)

It's a separable verb. I.e. the prefix (vor- is a prefix here, not a preposition) can get separated from its main/root verb. :)

[potent cloud]

I can imagine it as vorzugehen in an um...zu sentence for example, right? (:

[long whale]

What about it?

[long whale]

Yup. Whenever you have an infinitive with zu, the "zu" gets stuck between the separable prefix and the main/root verb.

Like... aufstehen = to get up

Präsens/Present tense: I get up = ich stehe auf

Yes, that's a good way of looking at it. ;)

[potent cloud]

Ich brauche ein paar Minuten, um aufzustehen.

😉

I need a couple of minutes to get up

[long whale]

It isn't really terribly difficult, just takes some practice to get used to it: I need a couple of minutes to up-to-get ;)

[narrow pier]

What does expression mean?
(Ach, du liebe Zeit!)

[long whale]

It's like "Oh dear" or "My goodness"

[narrow pier]

the second one was more obvious to me thankss

[thin prism]

Very offtopic (and hello guys), but does any of you know what those table thingies they bring in food with in hotels are called in german

I dont even know what they're called in english to be honest😅

Or any language for that matter..

The ones that are made of metal and they can roll around

They have multiple compartments

[whole portal]

Hm

Servierwagen?

https://static.betzold.de/images/prod/51856/Betzold-Servierwagen-mit-3-Ebenen-51856_a-XL.jpg

This?

[near folio]

du meinst sowas?

[thin prism]

Yeesss

Ty guys🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[near folio]

service trolley/cart auf Englisch, Servierwagen auf Deutsch

[narrow pier]

stellen, mean to put but fragen stellen means to ask questions, does stellen mean to ask in any other situations

and if you wanna say I am laying / putting my hand on your head , you would say ( Ich lege meine Hand über deinen Körper )

[whole portal]

auf

[whole portal]

Stellen can mean provide

so you're providing questions basically

[narrow pier]

ohh thanks

is there a website that checks grammer

[wise pendant]

Ehm, discord... 😅

[narrow pier]

well i cant ask too much or if i ask some, i will get used to it

Ich lege meinen hand auf den Tisch

[mellow nova]

grammar is so fluid and up to interpretation that I don't think there is any (at least free) program that can fully check grammar

[narrow pier]

so always sentences like this , like after the ( ich lege ) you have make the adj or pronoun or adv acc if the verb is acc, ( which most of the time is)

?

[narrow pier]

okay dankee

i try to make sentences on my own that why i ask that

[mellow nova]

Yes but there is no adv or pronoun and adverbs can't be accusative

it's a noun here

and Kopf is accusative because of the preposition auf

[acoustic breach]

You mean Hand or Tisch is accusativ...?

[narrow pier]

i meant when gross becomes grossen, like that prefix

großen

[acoustic breach]

Let me send you the table

[mellow nova]

both but I was just skimming their first sentence was Körper

[wise pendant]

*groß also has the ß
It's always used after long vowels

[mellow nova]

that's still neither of those things

that's an adjective

[narrow pier]

so for example that senctence above ( ich lege meinen) the prefix of the mein becomes meinen from meiner , i asked if most of the time when the verb you are using is akkusativ, like this sentence the pronoun after the verb gets the prefix of the akkusativ

[narrow pier]

okay 👍

[narrow pier]

I mentiond adjektiv too?

[acoustic breach]

(actually in Nominativ, it's mein Hand)

[acoustic breach]

Do you mean this thingy?

[narrow pier]

yeah yeah

[narrow pier]

totally i meant that

[acoustic breach]

I dont understand the part you say "gets the prefix of the Akkusativ"
Im not sure if what im understand is what you meant

[narrow pier]

whats the topic called in english ( the book i am reading on german grammer is english)

[acoustic breach]

German its called Adjektivendungen
So english...adjective endings?

[mellow nova]

suffix would be the closest but its called declension technically

prefix- before suffix - after

[narrow pier]

okay its ( mein hand) but it becomes ( dem hand liegt auf dem Tisch ) i dont know if that sentence is correct but i wanted to explain

[mellow nova]

It would be Der hand because it's the subject

nearly everything that comes before a noun is declined

idk really what your question is

mein meinen meinem meines
Der. Den. dem. des

[narrow pier]

i will read about it to be more clear

[narrow pier]

dankeschön

[acoustic breach]

Ill just send you a table (again), not sure if it's what you want

[narrow pier]

this is good👍

[native breach]

Ok how are y’all making bold text

[ancient pulsar]

**** sdfdf ** **, double asterisk on each side

[whole portal]

~~durchgestrichen~~
*kursiv* _kursiv_
__unterstrichen__
**fett**
`blocksatz` ``blocksatz``
```Sprache
Code
```
||Spoiler||
> Zitat
>>> Die gesamte Nachricht zum Zitat machen
<Link nicht einbetten>

[final marlin]

Bitte schreib auf Englisch auch.

[native breach]

Danke

[ancient pulsar]

If I am debating some1 then i am jdm zuhören-ing him while he is speaking, if i am listening to Trump's speech then i am sich jdn/etwas anhören-ing his speech

is that right?

[mellow nova]

I just asked something like this and I believe the answer I got was you zuhören to people talking and anhören to things like music etc

[mellow nova]

but idk if i grasped the whole concept they were trying to tell me tbh

[long whale]

Yup, that's correct. :)

[long whale]

Delli, it's jemandem zuhören -> people talking to each other. If it's canned (music, tv, podcasts, etc.), it's sich etwas anhören. :)

[whole portal]

Jemanden anhören is like in front of a court

[tropic thistle]

"Luis, hör dir das an!" zeigt eine CD mit dem Titel "150 Beste Wahlreden von Kommunalpolitikern" vor "Du wirst danach bestimmt einschlafen können!"

[whole portal]

eine

[tropic thistle]

Danke dir, ich verwechsle das oft :|

[cerulean comet]

So, I've been translating some articles and I've come across something I'm not sure how to handle. The sentence has the words Freitod and Selbsmord which as I understand are synonyms. Can someone explain if there's a difference between these words? What I've found from googling seems to suggest that one of them is more 'taboo'. Is that correct? I'm sorry if this isn't the place for questions like these.

[tropic thistle]

Freitod is more of a euphemism, in terms of usage -- part of it is that there's an underlying judgment in the (still common, general) term Selbstmord

[undone verge]

Selbstmord sounds rather extreme to me.

[fervent kernel]

Selbstmord is the common word

along with Suizid

[tropic thistle]

So while Selbstmord is still the neutral word (and as Junker points out the latin-derived Suizid, which Selbstmord is element-for-element translated from), in certain narrative contexts Freitod may feel less blunt (Duden's usage note notes that it seems to come from Nietzsche's works, and given his relationship to conventional/religious morality one might be able to see why it's associated with a particular attitude towards e.g. religious condemnations of suicide)

[undone verge]

Freitod I've never heard until toda<y

[fervent kernel]

It's definitely a very rare term

outside of books, at least

[cerulean comet]

Thank you so much for the information! It definitely gives me a few ideas for how to translate it.

[native breach]

Hey y’all, how would I use the words du dir dich? I’m not quite sure of the difference?

[whole portal]

du = Nominativ
(deiner/deines = Genitiv)
dir = Dativ
dich = Akkusativ

[native breach]

Along with:
Mir = Dativ
Mich = Akkusativ
So what is the nominative form

Cause mu sure does not sound right

[mellow nova]

I think you wrote akk instead of gen

[mellow nova]

ich

[whole portal]

yea I did

[whole portal]

Ich lmao

[native breach]

Makes sense

[whole portal]

just like english has I and me

[mellow nova]

I me my mine

it's very similar just missing a case

germanic languages and all

[native breach]

So I’ve had it explained that nominative is “who is verbing”. Accusative is “who is being verbed”. And Dative is “who is the verb being done for”.
But what is Genetiv? Is it like possessive?

[whole portal]

yes

[mellow nova]

Mein Buch

[native breach]

Aight

[regal rover]

what does unbedingt mean

i have it in my notes without any explanation

[whole portal]

absolutely, necessarily

bedingt = under a certain condition

unbedingt = condition doesn't matter

[fervent kernel]

Which phrase is more common in everyday talk?

Ich bin hungrig

Ich habe Hunger

[glossy marsh]

It might depend on the area. I hear the latter more often.

[long whale]

I agree. "Ich bin hungrig" doesn't literally mean "I'm starving", but I think it's more like "I'm ravenous" :)

[regal rover]

danke

so like

ich muss jeden Tag unbedingt essen

or

Essen ist unbedingt

[whole portal]

Definitely 2

[narrow pier]

(i thought you guys said it like that ) do you say ( ich habe gedacht euch sagtet es wie das )

?

and if you say have manners do would you say Manieren haben?

[mellow nova]

Ich dachte, ihr hättet es so gesagt

[mellow nova]

this I think depends? if you're talking about a kid you can say "er/sie ist brav" I think but idk the whole context

[narrow pier]

thanks delli

[narrow pier]

i looked up Weise and one of its meanings were manner so thats why i asked

[mellow nova]

here you could also say
Ich dachte, ihr sagt das so
but it's a little different in meaning

[narrow pier]

the translator is wrong lol, i wrote ( er ist brav ) which translates to he is good/ well behaved

[mellow nova]

that's what it means but like well-behaved is having good manners no?

for a kid

[narrow pier]

if its helping for the meaning, the context is , someone says ich bin hungrig, and for example the other one says ( hast du hunger ) like he corrects him , and he says ( ich dachte ihr sagt das so)

i think i think of somethings that arent very important and are longg

[mellow nova]

I think there you would use the first one I said

it's like "I thought you would have said it like that"

[narrow pier]

oh I meant, ich english when you say (have manners) it means you dont have it and you should have manners

[mellow nova]

oh like you wanna tell someone "show some manners" as like a reprimand?

I'm not sure how that would translate tbh

[narrow pier]

yes

[long whale]

Benimm dich!

;)

[mellow nova]

@narrow pier

[fading smelt]

Can

ich bin

[mellow nova]

yes

[fading smelt]

mean i'm?

or is that different

[mellow nova]

it only means I'm yes

[fading smelt]

can it mean I am

[mellow nova]

those are the same thing

[fading smelt]

i know

I am groggy

[mellow nova]

well yes you can choose to transla6e it with or without the contraction

up to you

[fading smelt]

thanks

[fading smelt]

is it the same with you're? or any contractions?

[mellow nova]

yes all contractions are optional in english (except in some very specific circumstances, like you can't say "that's how you're")

[fading smelt]

alright, thanks a bunch!

[fervent kernel]

Please edit this

''O Kanada!
Unser Heim und Heimatland!
Wahre patriotische Liebe in uns allen gebietet.

Mit glühenden Herzen sehen wir dich auferstehen,
Der wahre Norden, stark und frei!

Von weit und breit,
Oh Kanada, wir halten Wache für dich.

Gott beschütze unser Land ruhmreich und frei!
Oh Kanada, wir halten Wache für dich.

Oh Kanada, wir halten Wache für dich.''

English
''O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all of us command.

With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!

From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.''

[charred harbor]

I’m pretty sure you can??

That looks valid to me

[mellow nova]

definitely can't, it's called clitics

not if the sentence ends there

[charred harbor]

Oh I thought you meant as a sentence fragment

Yeah if it ends there it’s wrong

Sorry, misunderstood

[fervent kernel]

hallo i have a question

whats the difference between

"glaube ich" und "ich glaube"

idk when to use the two

[swift bough]

Context makes the difference

[fervent kernel]

Ok, hmm are you able to think of times where youve said either

[swift bough]

I say them all of the time

It has to do with where it is in the sentence

If it’s in the main clause you say „ich glaube“

If you make a statement and then want to say „I think“, it’s „glaube ich“

[fervent kernel]

OH i see

Danke!!

[novel mural]

What do you like is?

[celest pollen]

Es sind doch nur noch zwei Wochen bis Ostern. How do we know that "sind" will be used here?

[potent cloud]

because sind is connected to zwei Wochen(two weeks) so you have to use plural.

es can have a lot of functions in a sentence, not only as a subject.

Let me send you the full screen shot

[potent cloud]

It depends on the context, you can say it in multiple ways. Was magst du? or Was gefällt dir? , for example

[rigid wagon]

What is the difference between im and in

[toxic hatch]

Guten morgen

[rigid wagon]

can someone help me!/

[wise pendant]

Don't ask the same question in multiple channels at the same time please

[narrow pier]

if you say I am covered in oil or something like like do you use bedecken

and (zusammenzuwohnen ) is this word commonly used? i feel like this story book is language is a bit different, which is more common ( der Boden ) oder ( Fußboden)

[wise pendant]

context?

[wise pendant]

Both are common

[narrow pier]

Die Sofas waren bedeckt mit T-Shirts

[celest pollen]

Btw name of site? Seems very usefull

[potent cloud]

Moment mal

[potent cloud]

https://dict.leo.org/grammatik/deutsch/Wort/Pronomen/FRegeln-P/Pron-es.html?lang=de#id=Anchor-es-sein

[acoustic breach]

hallo, eine Frage hier
ist meine Sätze richtig? (ich versuche, die Verben „hinabsehen“ und „herabsehen“ richtig zu benutzen )

ich sehe auf die Sicht der Stadt auf einem Berg hinab
sie sieht auf mich von der 2. Etage herab

[narrow pier]

@wise pendant reminding you to send the list please ( of the youtubers )

[wise pendant]

I'm not yet home again. But I'll do it as soon as I get there

[narrow pier]

okay ,

[spiral vapor]

#questions message

this list?

[wise pendant]

I updated it a bit recently but yes that one

[narrow pier]

thanks

[narrow pier]

whenever you can , send it please, I am reminding you, cause I dont wanna forget it myself

[wise pendant]

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Battle Bros
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Rahmschnitzel
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Paluten
byStegi
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Maudado
MrMoreGame
Pietsmiet (Gameshows)
Senioren Zocken (Old people play games)
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_Comedy/Sketches:
Varion
IBlali
YTitty (Permanently inactive)
Coldmirror
DerDrogg
Alexi Bexi
Browser Ballett
Space Frogs
RobBubble
Phil Laude

_German/Austrian TV broadcasting:
ZDF heute Show (Satirical news show)
NDR Doku (Various documentaries, slice of life)
NDR-Ratgeber (Miscellaneous)
TerraX Lesch und Co (Science)
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DW Deutsch (News)
ZDF Comedy
Extra 3 (Satirical news show)
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_Edutainment:
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Hensslers Schnelle Nummer
CALLEkocht - Grandma's Recipes
kein Stress kochen
AhmetKocht
Rosins Restaurants (Similar to Gordon Ramsay Hells Kitchen)

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KELLY //missesvlog
Malwanne
Rezo (Music)

• Renzo (Commentary)
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Die Ravennas Deutschrap (Music Analysis / Commentary)
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[toxic iron]

Is „Hauptschulabschluss“ what you get after passing Abitur?

[jagged steppe]

Hi! What exactly does zeugen von mean? Like in this sentence ‘zeugt dieser Film von Nostalgie?’

[proven sphinx]

Germany has like three different types of "high schools". "Hauptschule" is just one of them.

Realschule, Hauptschule and Gymnasium

[proven sphinx]

It means like "it shows nostalgia", "it includes nostalgia".

[toxic iron]

Hmm

Weisst du vielleicht welche ich muss dann hier wählen wenn ich brauche ein Anerkennung von meiner Oberschuleabschluss um ein Ausbildung zu bewerben?

[proven sphinx]

Was für eine Ausbildung? Meinst du ein Studium?

Oder eine Arbeitsstelle?

[toxic iron]

Zb Pflegefachmann

[proven sphinx]

Verstehe.

[toxic iron]

Glaube die Hauptschulabschluss würde dann hier richtig sein

[proven sphinx]

Wahrscheinlich, ja.

[toxic iron]

Ich werde mich noch bei der Einrichtung erkundigen, aber danke für die Hilfe

[whole portal]

nah it's for Baumschule

[jagged steppe]

Great thanks!

[dapper steeple]

I have question:
Did you knows anything about north Europe?

[mellow nova]

well Germany is in North Europe so probably

[dapper steeple]

I think about Finland, Sweed, etc.

[mellow nova]

nordic countries?

[eager sequoia]

depends what you mean with that, sure we know some things but prob. just pieces of the cake

[dapper steeple]

Yes.

Eg.

Also.

[fervent kernel]

are there any jokes like sugma/sawcon/gargalon/doctor mah in german?

[eager sequoia]

not really i think

[upper lynx]

Not aware of any either

[eager sequoia]

maybe the wer?

but thats not the "real" thing

[fervent kernel]

What about "hast du den Film Luca gesehen? Pronunced Lutch ia And If He answers what you Say lutsch meinen Schwanz

[fervent kernel]

How about learning German that would help you communicating with normal day to day Germans

[stone marsh]

what is the difference between Tschüß
and auf wiedersehen

[feral jewel]

Reposting this here from questions 1 since there seems to be something going on there

What's the difference between Altersheim and Altenheim? They both mean the same thing and sound so similar too

[stoic mauve]

@fervent kernel, your message has been redirected here from #lessons:

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Hey, I am a South African, 14 y.o , looking to learn about this awesome language. I'd very much like it if someone could please help or teach me this beautiful language, or give me advice or apps that I can use to learn German. 🙂

Mar 30, 2022, 9:49 PM

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Hey! There's definitely people with better advice than this but I've found that apps like Duolingo are good for vocab but aren't great with grammar and other things, having a textbook/workbook is usually pretty helpful and personally I've found that consuming German media/ listening to German music/ whatever in the same way you would you're native language is rreally good

Mar 30, 2022, 9:50 PM

[stone marsh]

oh ok, that's all im new to German so im just now looking at the language

sorry lol

[stable junco]

Same thing, just a different grammatical case

[feral jewel]

What do you mean grammatical case?

[plain umbra]

Tschüss is casual and it's kinda like "bye" or "ciao" and auf Wiedersehen is a bit more formal and means something like "see you later".

[unique dune]

theyre synonyms

[stable junco]

It's lateeeeee, mind tired! Yes, indeed synonyms

[unique dune]

gehirn müde gehirn schlafen

[feral jewel]

I see, so they're basically the exact same

[unique dune]

yes

[feral jewel]

Got it, thanks!

[unique dune]

[feral jewel]

What's the difference between Abitur and Abschluss?

They seem kind of similar to me

[upper lynx]

Well, Abitur is a very specific type of Abschluss

[stable junco]

Abitur is a type of higher education degree and abschluss is a general degree, can be any school type

[mellow nova]

abitur is the final exam you take in order to attend Uni in germany

[feral jewel]

Ok then my anki definition was wrong...the wordbank def for Abschluss was 'school graduation or result'

And Abitur was 'degree, completion, termination'

[stable junco]

Technically speaking, the origin of Abitur is latin and refers to a general completion of school. But in the german language it's a specific type

[feral jewel]

So... Abitur is a college degree, and Abschluss is any degree in general?

[swift bough]

No Abitur is like a high school diploma

But in Germany

Not college

[feral jewel]

Ok, and Abschluss is any type of degree then right?

[stable junco]

It technically is like a college degree

[swift bough]

???

I don’t think you know what a college degree is

College is not equal to primary school

[feral jewel]

Is this completely wrong as a definition?

[stable junco]

You can get your Abitur at a "Kolleg" so yeah...

[swift bough]

College = Universität

For me anyway

In the USA University is called college

[upper lynx]

We don't really have Colleges in germany, i think universities are a bit different too.

[swift bough]

University and college are synonyms in the USA

No difference

[upper lynx]

interesting

[stable junco]

Different school systems really

[swift bough]

And honestly

[stable junco]

We have both kolleg and universität which are different things

[swift bough]

99% of people here do not even say „university“

[upper lynx]

I thought colleges don't usually offer doctorates and stuff

[swift bough]

Unless of course they refer to the specific name of the college

Which often has the word university in it

[feral jewel]

I kinda feel like this conversation has gone off on a tangent

[swift bough]

I don’t even understand what a Kolleg is then @stable junco @upper lynx

[stable junco]

A Berufskolleg f.e. offers a way to get an Abitur but with specialized experiences in a certain field like accounting or engineering

[swift bough]

Here they do

[upper lynx]

I don't really know what a kolleg is either, I think it is a sort of a school of business related studies

[swift bough]

But…is it still primary school?

[upper lynx]

business school i guess

[swift bough]

How old are the students there?

Is it like even more advanced than a gymnasium?

[tropic thistle]

historically in the US the distinction has been that universities award graduate degrees, and colleges focus on undergraduates (though this is increasingly permeable)

[stable junco]

18-20-ish
It's like a specialized form of Gymnasium

[upper lynx]

Yeah I thought something like that as well

[swift bough]

For me they have always been used interchangeably

[feral jewel]

I thought the difference was that multiple colleges could be a part of a university

[tropic thistle]

a Kolleg in the German system, in my understanding, is that it tends to be for people who didn't come through a German Gymnasium for whatever reason (b/c foreign or got streamed separately) to be prepared for university admission -- kind of like GED classes

[swift bough]

What is the point of it if you can just go to a real university though?

[upper lynx]

I guess the main institutions of higher education in germany are Fachhochschulen and Universitäten.

[tropic thistle]

the point is that kolleg != universität -- you need to get the paper before you can be admitted into university

[upper lynx]

I believe Fachhochschule is usually translated to university of applied sciences.

[swift bough]

Hmm, ok

[feral jewel]

This is all great

[swift bough]

So it’s not for German citizens?

[feral jewel]

But what does Abitur mean

[upper lynx]

It is a certain degree

[mellow nova]

bruh

[feral jewel]

And what does Abschluss mean

[mellow nova]

like I already told u xd

it's the exam required to go to uni

[stable junco]

You need an abitur to get to university

[feral jewel]

No you guys keep saying different things

[upper lynx]

And abschluss is degree in general

[feral jewel]

I just need a definite answer

[mellow nova]

no you didn't read what i said

[swift bough]

Well yes, I know that…but I don’t know what Kolleg is

[tropic thistle]

the reason for this is related to the earlier distinction - e.g. for universities with this kind of compound structure, often one or multiple colleges (e.g. college of arts and sciences within nyu) will focus on undergrads, whereas a different structure is responsible for grads (e.g. graduate school of arts and sciences for nyu)

[mellow nova]

I said exam required to go to Uni and you repeated 'Uni degree'

[upper lynx]

People gave you your answer already

[feral jewel]

Sorry, my bad then

[swift bough]

Not to my last question

[upper lynx]

Talking to fern lol

[swift bough]

Is it only for foreigners?

Oh

K

[upper lynx]

I don't know your answer, we don't even have those in my state I think

[tropic thistle]

no, because there are some adults who will have come out of a realschule/hauptschule, and want to go to university -- the kolleg is functionally the equivalent of daytime classes to get your GED in the states would be, it's just that the states doesn't have a lot of such institutions

[stable junco]

Which state?

[upper lynx]

Schleswig Holstein

[swift bough]

So if I wanted to go to a German university as an actual German student then first I would essentially have no other choice than to go to a Kolleg

I mean I KNOW you need an Abitur to study

[stable junco]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berufskolleg

[swift bough]

But I don’t know how you go about getting it

[upper lynx]

We don't even have realschulen and hauptschulen in my state for example, each state has a completely different school system

[tropic thistle]

yes and no, because it depends on how equivalences are handled between your home country's high school system and germany's -- i never had trouble directly enrolling, though that was usually handled as exchange/research stay agreement. but i think i know americans who entered directly without doing the studienkolleg, it's just that the onus is on you to demonstrate abitur equivalence in a way comprehensible to both the german state and your particular university

[swift bough]

So basically…it’s complicated

[stable junco]

I was merely pointing out that a thing with the same name exists in my state

This all just evolved into a heated debate hah

[swift bough]

The German school system always confused the hell out of me

[stable junco]

American one is just as confusing to us

[upper lynx]

Each state in germany got their own education system, there is very little they actually have in common

[swift bough]

XD

[mellow nova]

you can just have an equivalent degree from your country

like an associates degree in the US is equivalent to the abitur

you can apply to a german Uni as a normal student

[tropic thistle]

yup - or you can do it in combination with AP credits

(anabin has these requirements in a big list)

[fervent kernel]

would you say Fenster-Shop oder Schaufensterbummel lol (seeing multiple translations), im trying to write "one can window shop"

[upper lynx]

Schaufensterbummel. I've never heard "Fenster-Shop" in my life.

[fervent kernel]

ok reverso context being weird

would i say

[upper lynx]

Fenster-Shop sounds to me like a store that sells windows

[fervent kernel]

"ein man kann einen Schaufensterbummel machen"

[swift bough]

In my experience reverso context is actually pretty bad

Sadly

[fervent kernel]

darn

[tropic thistle]

(just to circle back) so yeah, that's one case, but there are plenty of small liberal arts colleges that don't offer graduate degrees and aren't affiliated with a different university, so

[fervent kernel]

for french it was ok for some things

[swift bough]

It’s flat out wrong a lot of times

[tropic thistle]

the problem with Reverso is that it's only as good as whatever bilingual websites it scrapes

[upper lynx]

If you drop the first word, yes

[fervent kernel]

ok

[tropic thistle]

and sometimes the quality of that input is... questionable at best

[fervent kernel]

oh yeah idk why i added that here

[swift bough]

Man does not equal Mann

Two different words

[fervent kernel]

yeah i wrote completely different than waht i put on my powerpoint LOL

idk why i did that

wouldnt it be tho

man kann

[swift bough]

Yes

[fervent kernel]

i have a slide about

getreidegasse

[upper lynx]

If you want to use english verbs in german you usually add an -en. So to shop, shoppen, to chill, chillen...

[tropic thistle]

the one in Salzburg?

[fervent kernel]

ja

[swift bough]

I’ve seen things on there multiple times that were literally so bad, like 120% incorrect

[fervent kernel]

ich habe ein Salzburg Präsentation

[swift bough]

Which is why I never use to

It*

[fervent kernel]

hmm

ein?

[swift bough]

I don’t think this is entirely wrong but I would have said „Ich halte ein Referat über Salzburg“

[fervent kernel]

ok yeah sure

my sentence doesnt even sound good in english

idk why i talk like that

lol

[swift bough]

I just know „ein Referat halten“ is what i was taught to say in Germany

[fervent kernel]

ohhh

danke

[swift bough]

To be fair

In English i myself would also usually say „I have a presentation about…“ so it sounds normal in English at least

Imo

[upper lynx]

I would say the older people become the more common the term Presentation becomes compared to Referat. Not sure if that is just my experience or if that is a general thing. But In school they call it Referat, and in business and university they call it Präsenatation.

[swift bough]

I have a question myself

Can you say „eine Präsentation halten“ or not really? Cuz I’ve never heard that before, only ever heard it with „Referat“

[fervent kernel]

tbh i usually say like i have a "german" presentation or i have a salzburg presentation

idk why

[fervent kernel]

ooooo

[swift bough]

I would also say that honestly

Sounds normal

[upper lynx]

I think you can say that, yeah. A lot of people also say "Vortrag halten", instead. "Presentation halten" sounds just slightly strange to me for some reason.

[shut briar]

I'm really confused by Ausgehen von

Im Wörterbuch gibt es [Hoffnung etc.] with this entry

Could someone form a sentence so i know what is actually up with this term

[swift bough]

„von etwas ausgehen“ simply means „to assume“

To make an assumption, in that sense

Ich gehe davon aus, dass dir übel ist.

[shut briar]

What's the role of hoffnung here?

[swift bough]

I don’t understand your question…what does it have to do with the ausgehen von part

[shut briar]

@swift bough

[swift bough]

No clue

„Ich gehe davon aus“ does not mean „Ich hoffe“ afaik

[shut briar]

Okay

[fervent kernel]

can someone translate a sentence for me

[shut briar]

I'll worry about that tomorrow then

[swift bough]

@autumn marsh any idea

[fervent kernel]

I was wondering how to say

[upper lynx]

"Seine Handlungen gehen von tiefem Pflichtbewusstsein aus.", perhaps they mean that sort of thing

[fervent kernel]

"This is why they don't sound as smooth as French Horns, which are related"

this sentence too hard for me in german LOL

[swift bough]

Try using this https://www.deepl.com/translator

[fervent kernel]

thank you!

[swift bough]

I read the translation myself and I would word it differently for actual spoken language

Deshalb klingen sie nicht so weich wie „French Horns“, die mit ihnen verwandten sind.

[autumn marsh]

sure you can, or what was the question

[swift bough]

I meant instead of using the word Referat

Since I have only ever heard that with the word Referat

So I didn’t know if the expression was only set with Referat

[autumn marsh]

eine Rede/Präsentation halten, ein Referat halten, einen Vortrag halten

eine Ansprache halten

[swift bough]

I think I heard it with rede before too but rustling

That’s it*

But that’s good to know

Thanks

[autumn marsh]

[narrow pier]

hi, i want to search for ( what are clauses in german ) but leo.cc said clause is der Satz, is that true??

[novel jackal]

What do you mean, as in main and secondary clause or?

[narrow pier]

well basically I mean all of them

do they have different names

[novel jackal]

In German, you have the main clause (Hauptsatz) and the subordinate clause (Nebensatz) and grammatical rules based around them

[novel jackal]

Der Satz usually means a sentence

[narrow pier]

thank you

[novel jackal]

You are welcome

[narrow pier]

what does denen mean please ?

.

[undone verge]

denen is the relative pronoun for dative plural

Die sind die Leute, von denen ich so viel gehört habe.

[narrow pier]

i translated denen as which ( from which you can choose from )

[narrow pier]

so its a pronoun but what do you mean by relativ?

[undone verge]

it's 'relative' because it is referring back to an object (or subject) in the Hauptsatz.
von denen = von (den Leuten)

[narrow pier]

okay i get now

Vielen dank

[long whale]

Yes, that's correct.

main clause = Hauptsatz; subordinate clause = untergeordneter Nebensatz

[narrow pier]

thanks

[narrow pier]

( so )what are you doing, i think that so exists in German to with that meaning, is it ( so ) in German too?

[sly ferry]

ex so und also

[stoic mauve]

so und also

The German “also”
This word means “so, therefore”. It is used in the beginning of a sentence to show that what you’re about to say follows from what you said before:
(1) Er war müde, also ging er schlafen. (He was tired, so he went to sleep.)

You can put it in the middle of a sentence too, then it shows that you’re going back a topic or are reminding of it:
(2) Ich habe also mit ihm geredet… (and so/as I said, I spoke to him…)

A very similar use is also to start a sentence with a dragged out aaalso (=aaanyway).

⚠ You cannot use so in these sentences!

The German “so”
So has a few uses. Most of them correspond pretty directly to English “like this/that”. Perhaps the most normal use of it is to answer a “how” (wie) question:
(3) Wie geht das? — So! (How does one do that? — Like this!)

You can of course also use it this way if no one asked you a question:
(4) Er lief so herum. (He walked around like that. [could indicate e.g. walking style or clothing, depends on context])

Together with an indefinite noun it indicates that you care about the properties of that noun, and not the noun itself:
(5) Ich will so ein Haus. (I want a house like that [but not necessarily this particular one].)

Note that here, the proper question is not wie but was für ein:
(6) Was für ein Spiel willst du spielen? — So eins. (What kind of game do you want to play? — One like that)

Another very common way to use it is for emphasizing a size or amount. Just like in English, you may drag out the so for a bit to emphasize it even more:
(7) Das ist so schön! (This is so beautiful!)

The English “also”
English “also/too” straigtforwardly translates to German auch. There is no relation to German so/also here:
(8) Ich habe ihn auch gesehen. (I also saw him. / I saw him too.)

[narrow pier]

can you use them in formal letters ?

[half arch]

Yes

[shut briar]

jemanden, etwas mit den Fingern oder Armen [und Beinen] fest umschließen und sich so festzuhalten suchen

This is the definition of Klammern

I understood it all except suchen. What does it mean

[wise pendant]

It also seems a bit strange to me, but in this case I would just interpret it as "versuchen"

on DWDS

[shut briar]

That makes sense. Idk why they've written suchen then, on Duden of all things

[wise pendant]

It's not that common though

[shut briar]

Does it mean that adding zu gives ot the meaning of versuchen?

[wise pendant]

yes

[shut briar]

Zu here is with festhalten though

[wise pendant]

festzuhalten is the Infinitiv with zu

[shut briar]

Oh okay, got it

[serene birch]

"Toll! Empfehlen Sie andere Attraktionen, während ich bliebe?" Is this correct use of Imperf. Subj.?

[long whale]

What are you trying to say? Using Konjunktiv II (I would stay) here makes no sense whatsoever.

[celest pollen]

Gefallen dir Reisen mit dem Zug?
Ja Reisen mit dem Zug gefalle mir sehr, wahrend das Reise ich schlafen kann
✅ ❌

[serene birch]

Warend ich bliebe = while i stay?

[potent cloud]

Do you mean to say, I like trips with the train because I can sleep during the trip?

[celest pollen]

ja

I wanted to answer the above question
But you can see that I didn't do it

"Gefallen dir Reisen mit dem Zug?"

[potent cloud]

okay.. maybe try to make a weil-sentence then

after the main one

also, the preposition während goes with the genitive case (:

[celest pollen]

Gefallen dir Reisen mit dem Zug?

Ja. Reisen mit dem Zug gefallen mir sehr, weil ich schalfen kann✅ ❌

[potent cloud]

It is der Zug in nominativ (:

@celest pollen

mit takes dativ

[potent cloud]

just fix the typo with schlafen and you are golden

you can also add während der Reise if you want it is okay, just remember it goes with genitiv

[hardy zinc]

Ist das korrekt "Sie trägt ein Kleid"?

Tragen braucht Akkusativ, richtig?

[stable junco]

Ja das ist korrekt

[fervent kernel]

Könntet ihr erklaeren wie und wenn man modalpartikel benutzen sollte

[hardy zinc]

Aber "Ich trage einen Anzug"?

[potent cloud]

faq modal verbs

[stoic mauve]

FAQ not found. I found the following similar entry: verbs.

[mellow nova]

wrong thing

[potent cloud]

🤷‍♀️ i tried

oh shit

sorry

My brain cells have been fried all day I guess

[mellow nova]

I pinged him in questions 1 dw

[potent cloud]

good

i swear my brain saw Modalverben, maybe I should go sleep soon

[hardy zinc]

Weil das Akkusativ ist, oder?

[potent cloud]

der Anzug, yes

[hardy zinc]

So "Ich trage einen Anzug"?

[potent cloud]

Yup

[hardy zinc]

Wait, how do we do Nominativ for plural?

E. g. Handschuhe

Is it "Eine Handschuhe"?

[potent cloud]

eine/ein means one..you cannot use it in plural

[hardy zinc]

Oh right

Is there indefinite article for plural?

Do I say "Ich trage Handshuhe"?

[wintry geode]

*Handschuhe
but yes

[hardy zinc]

Yeah, okay, got it

[potent cloud]

you can only use kein in plural

not ein

[hardy zinc]

Speaking of Handschuhe, do I say "bla bla Handschuhe. Sie sind schwarz"?

[potent cloud]

Sure you can say that

[hardy zinc]

But not "Handschuhe ist schwarz" right?

[potent cloud]

Handschuhe is plural, you cannot put ist.. You can say die Handschuhe sind schwarz

[long whale]

Während ich bliebe = while I would stay

[frank comet]

translate doesnt work what does kitschig mean?

[undone verge]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kitsch#:~:text=Definition of kitsch,from kitsch Did you know%3F

[brittle jungle]

guten morgen. wer von euch kennt den Unterschied zw. "statt" und "anstatt"? Ich kann da keinen Unterschied feststellen.

[long whale]

They are synonyms. (I prefer "statt", but that's a personal preference.) :)

[acoustic breach]

Hallo,
i cut my own hair:
ich schneide mir die Haare
Ich schneide mir meine Haare
Ich schneide meine eigene Haare

Which is/are correct, which is/are preferred?

[brittle jungle]

vielen Dank 🙂

[violet fog]

First 2 are fine

Last one is not common

[acoustic breach]

Thank you!@violet fog

[long whale]

1st one is the most common/preferred one. 3rd one contains an error. ;)

[acoustic breach]

Is the "mir" necessary?

[violet fog]

Depends

[long whale]

Yep.

[acoustic breach]

Oh meine eigenen Haare, because It's plural

[violet fog]

If you cut YOUR hair, yes

[acoustic breach]

Oh ya i just realised mir is necessary

[violet fog]

Basicly it is correct as well

But very unlikly to use

[hardy zinc]

Ist das "Wir haben gar nichts eingekauft" korrekt?

[long whale]

If you wanted to emphasize you do it yourself, you can add "selbst": Ich schneide mir die Haare selbst. :)

[long whale]

Yes.

[hardy zinc]

What about "Sie hat ihre Kinder noch nicht abgeholt."?

Hmmm as far as I understand it should be somehow different

It's called weak verbs right?

And strong verbs are, e. g. "Wann hat er angerufen?"

I'm a bit lost bc they behave the same when I'm building a sentence...

[long whale]

Mm... Not sure whether I understand you. The thing about German verbs is - you can either learn them separately, on a need-to-know basis (holen, holte geholt vs. rufen, rief, gerufen), or you can sort them into categories. I once met a guy who claimed there was only a single truly irregular verb in German (sein), the rest could all be sorted into about 16 or 32 categories (the exact number escapes me). Depends on the individual learner how they like to learn them, I think. :)

[long whale]

No... "gehend" is a present participle/Partizip Präsens/Partizip I

-> if you have a prefix + "gehen", this is the way of making the verb into an adjective. "weitgehend" is a bit of an exception within that rule, because there is no verb weitgehen.

@fervent kernel

[wise pendant]

Yes more or less

[long whale]

Only if the verb consists of "prefix + gehen" :)

Exactly.

"schossen" is the Präteritum form. I guess you could check on a website like verbix what the infinitive is?

Okay, I was wrong. The infinitive is schießen :)

Wrong in the sense that verbix doesn't work for that. :)

[cyan nymph]

hi guys) very glad to get to you. please help me translate from the Bavarian dialect to Hochdeutsch. Please have a good mood to everyone)https://youtu.be/Lhc_2crQL8U

[potent cloud]

Please do not post the same thing to 3 different channels. If someone can help you, give it some time and they will get back to you.

[wise pendant]

I'm also more or less active over there, but I don't think I'm known for speaking latin there as I don't really

[cyan nymph]

Sorry, I'm just learning to use

[novel jackal]

Are you otherwise known for not knowing how to join vcs? What's up with that role

[stoic mauve]

@novel jackal, please read the Roles section in #getting-started for info on how to join VC and more.

[wise pendant]

Yes I'm completely new.

I don't think I am good at this april fools though.

Having only posted 13678 messages here, from Mid 2017 onwards.

[novel jackal]

Yes, reasonably new, I agree

[feral jewel]

Does anyone know where I can find German versions of Enid Blyton's Noddy books?

[long whale]

For free? Probably not. German copyright laws are strict. Used/vintage: https://www.abebooks.de/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=30477217461&searchurl=an%3DEnid%2BBlyton%26sortby%3D17%26tn%3DNicki&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title2 Depending on where you live, postage would be pretty expensive, though. 🤷

[brittle onyx]

hello i need help for german

[long whale]

What do you need help with?

Exactly?

[tight mesa]

hello can someone help me with transforming sentences into past tense perfect, putting haben and sein in the present tense, putting the correct modal verb, putting the verb in the correct form and composing scattered sentences?

[plain umbra]

Which one do you want to start with?

[potent cloud]

Sure we can, just send us your own attempt first and we will keep going from that

[plain umbra]

Some German libraries can be accessed online for free. No idea if those books would be there though.

[tight mesa]

okay, so I have a exercise where i have transfom sentences into past tense Perfect.
6. Fabian kauft einen Ring. Fabiat hat einen Ring gekaufen
7. Amelie geht mit Harald aus. Amelie hat mit Harald aus gemaht
8. Gudrun arbeitet am Samstag. Gudrun hat am Samstag gearbeitet
9. Am Wochenende fahren meine Freunde nach Berlin. ?
10. Luis studiert in Bonn. Luis hat in Bonn gestudieren

1. Sie fotografiert Dokumente. Sie hat Dokumente fotografiet
2. Ola stellt ihr Buch auf den Tisch. Ola hat ihr Buch auf den tisch gestellt
3. Der Lehrer antwortet auf die Frage. ?
4. Die Kinder stehen um 7 Uhr auf. ?
5. Ich springe am Montag. Ich habe am Montag gespring
6. Wir schwimmen sehr schnell. Wir haben sehr schnell geschwimmen
7. Ich finde ein Geldbeutel. Ich habe ein Geldbeutel gefindet
8. Lukas und Zosia schreiben einen Brief. Lukas und Zosia haben einen Brief geschriben
9. Sie reden sehr laut. ?
10. Meine Mutter kocht eine Suppe. Meine Mutter hat eine Suppe gekocht

[plain umbra]

Do you know how to find the past participle of a verb?

faq past tense

[stoic mauve]

Perfekt

How to form the Perfekt tense

The Perfekt tense is formed by combining an auxiliary verb (haben or sein) with the past participle form of the main verb.

For example, if I want to write the past tense of “essen”/“to eat”, such as in the English sentence “I ate”, I first need to know the auxiliary verb that goes with essen (which happens to be haben), and the past participle form of essen (which is gegessen).

I can then combine them with the usual verb conjugation and word order rules, as such:
Ich habe gegessen. -> I ate. / I have eaten.
Ich habe das Brot gegessen. -> I ate the bread. / I have eaten the bread.

How to determine the past participle?

Just look it up in the dictionary! There are a few general patterns you can also learn about, but a dictionary will pretty much always list the past participle somewhere near the verb itself.

When to use haben and when to use sein as the auxiliary verb?

The basic rules are:
• Transitive verbs (verbs which take an accusative object) use haben
• Intransitive verbs which describe a change of location or change of state use sein
• Other intransitive verbs use haben

This may not be a 100% reliable set of rules, so if in doubt, you can always use a dictionary to verify the correct auxiliary. Also note that there are a few regional variations.

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[plain umbra]

This faq explains in basic terms how to form Perfekt tense. Start by reading that and see if it makes sense. If you're still stuck, explain what part you're confused about.

[tight mesa]

okay thx

[feral jewel]

Thanks! This is probably too expensive for me though, I was hoping to get my hands on free versions

[feral jewel]

Could you please send me some links?

[plain umbra]

https://www.goethe.de/ins/au/en/kul/kon/onl.html

[worldly portal]

Is this correct thinking?

Antworten: answer someone
Beantworten: answer something

Trying to understand how to differentiate between the two

[long whale]

Yeah. Adding "jemandem antworten" is often helpful, though. :)

[worldly portal]

Danke 🙂

[long whale]

Verbs with the prefix be- often make a verb transitive, i.e. it can take a direct object. :)

[worldly portal]

Ooh

[long whale]

(instead of requiring a preposition)

[worldly portal]

I've so far only used the be- prefix to determine if it's separable or not

[narrow pier]

hi i have a question( kann ich am Samstag leider nicht kommen), correct or false?

[worldly portal]

Swap the position of the subject and the (conjugated) verb, now it sounds like a question

Otherwise correct

[narrow pier]

so its ( ich kann ) and the rest of the sentence

[worldly portal]

Yep

With "kann" first like that, it becomes a question

Kann ich später am Samstag kommen?

[narrow pier]

can you use gerne at the end of the sentence , something like ( I'm gladly waiting on your answr ) if thats normal idk

[proven sphinx]

Not in this particular sentence.

"Ich warte gerne auf Ihre Antwort"

[narrow pier]

so this is correct?

thanksss man

[celest pollen]

Hallo. Ich hatte gerne ein Doppelzimmer in Ihnen Hotel für zwei Erwachsene buchen.
Ich möchte vom zweiten bis zum siebten April Übernachtung kaufen. 🔴✅

[proven sphinx]

Neither of those, really.

"Ich würde gerne ein Doppelzimmer für zwei Erwachsene vom zweiten bis zum siebten April reservieren."

[undone verge]

Guten Tag. Ich möchte vom 2.-7. April ein Doppelzimmer bei Ihnen buchen.

[proven sphinx]

It would be "in Ihrem Hotel", but that's not really necessary here because it's obvious from the context.

[undone verge]

if you wanted to add the 'in Ihrem Hotel', where would it make the most sense/sound most natural for word order? 😅

[proven sphinx]

Right at the end before "reservieren/buchen".

[undone verge]

thanks! With this many prepositional phrases it gets confusing 😂

[celest pollen]

I inserted these "hatte" based on a sentence like this that I saw

[undone verge]

hatte =/= hätte

and it's fine to say 'hätte gerne' for 'möchten', however it only works for a thing. Not for a verb.
Ich möchte Schach spielen. vs. Ich hätte gerne ein Schachbrett.

[celest pollen]

So in this it can be hätte ?

Zimmer is a „thing”

[undone verge]

not with buchen.
Ich hätte gerne ein Doppelzimmer in Ihrem Hotel. (in this case, it seems still a bit weird to me, because you won't actually buy this hotel room but rather reserve it for a time)

Ich würde gerne ein Doppelzimmer buchen <-- this works

würde gerne = möchte
hätte gerne --> for buying things

[feral jewel]

Is there a huge difference b/w Austrian and standard German? Or are they mostly the same?

[undone verge]

There's for example some differences in vocabulary, but overall you'll be fine in Austria with Hochdeutsch. Austria also has dialectics in more rural areas that may be less intelligible, but the people there will have learned hochdeutsch in school.

[whole portal]

German = Beautiful
Austrian = Inconceivable rambling that sounds like someone shouldn't have had 10 litres of beer in addition to the already thin air in the mountains

[feral jewel]

hmmm that sounds like a very balanced and unbiased appraisal haha

[feral jewel]

I see, I'm just wondering if watching Austrian shows will give me bad habits and internalize incorrect grammar if I'm trying to learn hochdeutsch

[whole portal]

Grammar wise not much I think

Pronunciation wise yes definitely and absolutely

I think not knowing the difference between als and wie is a thing in Austria tho but not sure

[feral jewel]

right, so I'll just focus on adding new words to my vocab and look somewhere else for the correct pronunciation.

thanks

'correct' as in according to hochdeutsch, no offense to any Austrian people here 😅

[mellow nova]

when I listen to Austrian german the difference reminds me of regular English vs Cajun english

[feral jewel]

huh, interesting

[celest pollen]

Bist du jetz zu Hause und machst du vielleicht nichts interesant?
Ich würde gerne zu dir kommen um spreche zu alles.🔴✅

[undone verge]

what are you trying to say?

[celest pollen]

Are you perhaps at home and not doing anything interesting?
I'd like to come over and talk to you

[undone verge]

nominalisation would make it 'nichts interessantes'

and check in your second sentence...what there says 'talk to you'?

[celest pollen]

Because I want to talk to the person mmm to discuss etc

And i used „um .. zu „

Maybe. Damit über alles sprechen 🗣️ Bist du jetz zu Hause und machst du vielleicht nichts interesantes?
Ich würde gerne zu dir kommen, damit über alles sprechen

[undone verge]

um...zu is for an infinitive verb. um mit dir zu sprechen

[proven sphinx]

No, you have to use "um...zu" here.

[mystic cedar]

100. Nur einen Brief an meine Eltern oder an meine Freunde schließe ich:
     A) Mit herzlichem Gruß.
     B) Mit herzlichen Grüßen.
     C) Mit herzlicher Gruß.
     D) Mit herzlicher Grüßen.
     E) Mit herzlichem Grüßen.
     Whats the right answer guys?

[narrow pier]

i only heard (B) so far

[stable junco]

A and B are correct

[narrow pier]

hi guys the fourth point where it says ( Wann sind Sie wieder im Kurs ) what does it mean?

whats it asking?

Aufgabe A

like when do they begin the kurs after the exam, is that what its asking?

[topaz cape]

i think you should write when you are again joining the lessons, or when you are planing to do so. i hope it is correct... would interpenetrate in like this 🙂

[proven sphinx]

I don't think "interpenetrate" is a word. 😅

[topaz cape]

oh sorry i typed something wrong, i meant interpret ...😂

[narrow pier]

thankss

[swift bough]

I honestly didn't know it's a word either but here you go lmao

[final marlin]

I can understand what it might mean.

[swift bough]

but now you know what it really means

[thorn zodiac]

Can someone tell me what is being omitted from this sentence because I can’t understand it

„dann schneid die gut auf“ (in context of a bottle being frozen)

[swift bough]

Flasche

it's not really being omitted though

die is just another way to say sie, a lot of times

which translates to "it", so

[thorn zodiac]

Danke, after rereading it made sense, I think I thought there was something going on when there wasn’t

[fervent kernel]

Hallo can you ask other questions that aren't related to the language here?

[narrow pier]

is there a specific verb that describes to come back again ( to come back to the course )?

[swift bough]

what is it related to

[fervent kernel]

For volunteering in Germany

[swift bough]

as in to attend it again?

[swift bough]

this is a question for #archived-culture-study-visa

[narrow pier]

yes like attending the classes

[fervent kernel]

Okay thank you so much

[swift bough]

probably besuchen

den Kurs werde ich nochmal besuchen

[narrow pier]

thanks, but do you think this sentence is somewhat awkward ( when the classes begin, so will i ( i will begin to attend the classes again ) but i put ( darüber hinaus ) instead of the so will I , idk if it works

[swift bough]

uh

could you actually write out the sentence

not sure i understand

[narrow pier]

ok

Wenn die Unterrichten anfängt, darüber hinaus ist mich auch,

i wanted to say when the classes begin again, so will I or something like that but then i thought it sounds weird

[swift bough]

there are multiple things wrong with it

firstly you need to know "Unterricht" only works in the context of a school

not a university

so are you talking about school or ui

uni

[narrow pier]

its ( Deutschkurs )

[swift bough]

then why did you write Unterricht

[narrow pier]

well I didnt know

[swift bough]

btw "Unterricht" is a collective noun. if you say "Unterricht" it already refers to all of your classes

[narrow pier]

the Aufgabe A says Unterricht too

[swift bough]

see the thing is that you can have a Deutschkurs outside of school