questions-2

[narrow pier]

thanks

but is there a difference between jackett and jacke in germany ?

[mellow nova]

Das Jackett is a suit jacket

[narrow pier]

sakko is the same thing right

[mellow nova]

no idea what that is

[narrow pier]

saw it on duolingo,

[narrow pier]

danke

[radiant pilot]

what does "Bord" in "Genießen Sie an Bord eines Traumschiffs die Fahrt über das Meer" mean?

is it like the edge of a cruise or something?

[long whale]

board = Bord

[scenic drift]

On board, like in English

[radiant pilot]

thanks both of you

[slim yew]

why is “man” used instead of the forms of “du”

[long whale]

When speaking in general, using "man" is customary in German. :)

[scenic drift]

Well, dein certainly doesn’t work there

[radiant pilot]

does "rundum" in " sich rundum erholen" mean all day?

not "all around"?

[long whale]

It does mean "all around".

[radiant pilot]

thought "um" can sometimes suggest time

[long whale]

Sure. "rund um die Uhr" = around the clock; all day long. But there needs to be some indication of time. :)

And "um 7" = at 7 o'clock

[radiant pilot]

so the indication doesn't come from "um" itself

[long whale]

Correct.

[radiant pilot]

Vielen Dank für die Erklärung!

[celest pollen]

I made a couple of sentences because I finally ( I think ) caught the sentence structure

Ich habe mein zimmer aufgeräume,obwohl ich wenig zeit gehabt
Du fahren mit meine Mutta in die Stadt
Ich musse nehmen ab, weil ich 5 Kilo zugenommen habe

[rugged swift]

They look gramatically right but they aren't fully corect:

Ich habe mein Zimmer aufgeräumt, obwohl ich wenig Zeit hatte.
Du fährst mit meiner Mutter in die Stadt.
Ich muss abnehmen, weil ich 5 Kilo zugenommen habe.

[celest pollen]

(first sentence )
in a sentence can't be 2 times perfekt that you changed my "gehabt" to hatte ?

[radiant pilot]

you can also say: obwohl ich wenig Zeit gehabt habe

[mellow nova]

you can but you really shouldn't

[celest pollen]

good to know

[radiant pilot]

why not,

?*

[mellow nova]

because you simply don't use Perfekt for haben ¯_(ツ)_/¯

much more common to use Präteritum

[radiant pilot]

fucking germans

[mellow nova]

just like how you say war instead of bin gewesen

[radiant pilot]

just like in english, i guess

thanks Herr mürrischer Vampir

[mellow nova]

ehhh kinda, but present perfect is actually semantically different to simple past, unlike german

[celest pollen]

Penguin sentence = Ich muss abnehmen, weil ich 5 Kilo zugenommen habe.

My sentence = Ich musse nehmen ab, weil ich 5 Kilo zugenommen habe

why in last sentence
we dont split nehmen | ab

[radiant pilot]

hmm

the same reason you didn't split zugenommen

[celest pollen]

i dont split zugennomen cuz weil

[radiant pilot]

hmm

both Sätze already have a conjugated verb

muss and habe

[mellow nova]

modals are helping verbs, the other verb stays in the infinitive

infinitive = not split

[radiant pilot]

i thinked he mixed Präteritum with Perfekt

[celest pollen]

😎

jeden Tag ein bisschen Wissen

[radiant pilot]

[mellow nova]

muss abnehmen is neither of those x)

[radiant pilot]

nah, he was talking about why he didn't split zugenommen

and he said because "weil"

[mellow nova]

but they asked why not to split abnhemen and it's not the same reason as zugenommen

[thorny surge]

Does und = and?

[mellow nova]

yes

[celest pollen]

abnehmen = separably compound

[thorny surge]

Kk danke

[radiant pilot]

@celest pollen if you had used Präteritum, it would have been "zunahm", not "nahm zu" and THAT is because of "weil"

[celest pollen]

I'm still at too low a level to explain to others

[radiant pilot]

eh sorry if i made it sound difficult

[celest pollen]

weil doing that
we dont split separably compound verbs

[radiant pilot]

wdym?

zum Beispiel?

[celest pollen]

Du musst morgen früh aufstehen
~~Du musst stehen morgen fruh auf ~~

[radiant pilot]

richtig

[celest pollen]

all subjunctive conjunctions
do so that we do not separate, separably compound

[radiant pilot]

but, can you do the same sentence without the modal verb and in Präteritum?

[celest pollen]

hmm lets try

I need a little more time because I haven't processed prateritum very much

[radiant pilot]

ok, forget about it

sorry

was trying to clarify things for you

[celest pollen]

but I'm going to try it anyway

[radiant pilot]

ok then

Präteritum for Stehen is Stand

[celest pollen]

Ich hatte morgen standen fruh auf

without modal is hard

[radiant pilot]

you still didn't learn Präteritum right?

[celest pollen]

ye

[radiant pilot]

i see

[celest pollen]

show me right sentence then

[radiant pilot]

it's equivalent of :

i have => i had

i see=> i saw

i am=> i was

in english

[celest pollen]

this is such a second way to talk about the past

[radiant pilot]

and Perfekt in german is the equivalent of:

i have eaten

i have borrowed

i have pooped

in english

take your time

go step by step

[celest pollen]

I know I know
I just figured out all these conjunctions and it enlightened me a lot.

[radiant pilot]

Das schaffst du bestimmt!

[celest pollen]

And you can correctly make in prateritum this sentence?

Du musst morgen früh aufstehen

[radiant pilot]

i can try

with the modal verb, it would be

[celest pollen]

because you really put me out when you said not to. And I don't really have an alternative

[radiant pilot]

Du Müsstest früh aufstehen

without the modal verb

[mellow nova]

again: they're not equivalents

perfekt and präteritum have the same exact meaning

not the same as in english

[radiant pilot]

D

just for the sake of simplifying

doesn't it work?

[celest pollen]

ok then we better not tell each other here how what works. Cause we're gonna mess up both

[radiant pilot]

@celest pollen without the modal verb

Du standest früh auf

[celest pollen]

which means you can't say that
I had to get up quickly

without modal

[radiant pilot]

it's not about the meaning

i was trying to showcase the past tense

[celest pollen]

ok ok
i get it

gotcha cheif

btw

[radiant pilot]

[celest pollen]

standst auf

[radiant pilot]

easy on the tongue

standest is too 🤮

[fervent kernel]

it sounds really like slang.... in written language "standest" is better

[celest pollen]

i belive that you dont have a headache today

thx for explain

[fervent kernel]

in spoken language the "Präteritum" is not very common but it's important for Texts and formal convos

[radiant pilot]

ich habe starke Arschschmerzen

[celest pollen]

I heard that

-in southern Germany the Perfekt is more popular

• in northern Germany they more often and willingly use the Präteritum

[fervent kernel]

absolutly (as someone from southern Germany)

[scenic drift]

it's worth noting that the big general distinction is that the Präteritum is the written form, Perfekt is spoken form

[exotic cape]

Hello there , could someone check this short text for me? "Der Text geht darüber, dass persönliche Daten missbraucht werden können durch großen Firmen. Er beschreibt, wie populär "Big Data" geworden ist in letzter Zeit. Große massenhaften Daten sind nicht mehr überschaubar für den "normalen Mensch". Um die Gefahren zu zeigen, wird ein Beispiel erwähnt. Das Beispiel beschreibt eine Situation während die Präsidentschaftswahlen. Wobei Donald Trump die Daten genutzt hat, um seinen Gegner zu besiegen."

[heady vault]

Is the condensed word "betr." used for denoting "Directive on" or for saying "regarding"?

[icy flax]

regarding I suppose -> https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/betr.#:~:text=Abkürzung,1] betreffend%2C betreffs%2C betrifft

Betr. Ihrer Anfrage teile ich Ihnen Folgendes mit.
With regard to your inquiry, I would like to inform you of the following.

Und ich hätte auch ne Frage zu stellen 😄

Sind abtrünnige Staaten Staaten, die sich emanzipiert haben and noch nicht völlig anerkannt sind, wie zB Taiwan-China?

[paper mango]

Halts Maul, VooDoo

du labberst zu viel

[icy flax]

@merry python, hilf uns bidde

[long whale]

"abtrünnig" means somebody or something (a state/region) which was supposed to be loyal to someone, but isn't anymore.

(always as seen from the perspective of those expecting loyalty, of course)

[fervent kernel]

@long whale tut dir dein muskel weh?

@icy flax tut dir deine sehne weh?

muskel ist just a single muscle?

[long whale]

If you're asking about hurting/aching muscles, like the day after you started doing some unfamiliar sports/exercises, it's got a special, funny name in German: der Muskelkater

[fervent kernel]

Tut dir dein Muskelkater weh?

[long whale]

No. Hast du Muskelkater?

[fervent kernel]

I see 🧐

[zealous rampart]

so hi guys, im very new to this server so im curious where can i learn very basics of german? i dont really know german i know only a few words so please navigate me to right channel (and when you're answering please ping me)

[icy flax]

achsooo, sowas hab ich vermutet. Danke Dir, Susana! ❤️

[long whale]

-> #resources :)

[zealous rampart]

thanks

[shut briar]

Kater is a male cat right, and you also use it for hangovers 🤔

[mellow nova]

hangover yes

[shut briar]

What did they ever do to you

[mellow nova]

well muscle hangover makes sense imo

[scenic drift]

Muskelkater, omg 😆 i love it

[long whale]

We aim to please. ;)

[fervent kernel]

If i want to say ive been learning german for one and a half years, is it "seit eineinhalb Jahren" or is it "seit anderthalb Jahren"?

[scenic drift]

they're synonyms, right? 🤔

[wise pendant]

eineinhalb gets often pronounced anderthalb so they are essentially the same thing

Afaik

[swift bough]

Oh really? I thought people just intentionally said anderthalb 😂

[fervent kernel]

Oh okay so both are okay?

Do I not need to decline anderthalb ? So „ich lerne seit anderthalben Jahren deutsch“ that’s not right is it?

[swift bough]

I feel like anderthalb is so strange. Like you have the rest of these words zweieinhalb dreißigeinhalb siebzehneinhalb etc but then you just randomly have anderthalb because why not

[swift bough]

Nah you don’t decline it

[fervent kernel]

Danke!

[swift bough]

It’s basically just a number

[fervent kernel]

This is why I was confused whether anderthalb was right or not lol

[swift bough]

You wouldn’t say „ich lerne seit fünfen Jahren“ righr

Makes no sense

[fervent kernel]

Yeah you’re right just wanted to check! Thank you so much for the help

[swift bough]

Np!

[fervent kernel]

@swift bough ich habe Thunfisch und Kartoffeln gegessen

Hast du gegessen @swift bough?

[swift bough]

Heute nicht

[delicate mica]

hey guys - im really confused so i wanted to know if any grammar heros can help me out. im a bit confused as to when demonstrative pronouns (dies, diese, dieser ... ) are used what exact part of the sentence do i take the case and gender from? my exact sentence is "Im Laufe des Textes wird es immer klarer, dass die Hauptperson ein ganz spezifischen Typ sucht: Männer. Dies kann auf der Autobahn zum Problem werden, (...)". Is this correct and why / why not?

i get confused generally when demonstrative pronouns refer back to the entire sentence - what do i do then ._.

if someone could help that would be much appreciated <3

[long whale]

*einen ganz spezifischen... Yes, that's correct, since "dies" refers to the act of looking/searching. - I'm not quite sure your sentence makes sense, though. I mean, could you really say "somebody is looking for a specific type: men" - ??

[delicate mica]

its a very wierd text im analysing - its basically about this girl that picks up "trampern" (dont know what its called in english), but only the male one's and she has some secret plan to like seduce them or kill them or something: we're not quite sure what her intentions are. but she is really ... eh ... something of her own

[long whale]

der/die Tramper = hitchhiker/s :)

[delicate mica]

idk if youve read it

its milena moser

[long whale]

No. Okay, she's quite a good writer, so I stand corrected. :)

Anyway, as to your original question, I don't think you have to worry much. While it's certainly possible to refer to a man or a masculine object and start a sentence by saying "Dieser" + verb + rest of sentence, it's quite, quite unusual. :)

Same for a woman or a feminine object, of course. :)

[delicate mica]

but then demonstrative pronouns can refer to verbs? (my confusion inhere lies that verbs dont have genders (as far as im aware?))

[long whale]

Referring back to an action, or a circumstance by saying "Dies" + verb, etc. is quite normal.

[delicate mica]

if it does is it then always dies

[long whale]

Well... I'm sure you're aware you can nominalize any verb (das Gehen, das Trinken, das Bezahlen) and those nominalized verbs will always be neuter and mean "the action of walking/drinking/paying", so... Does that answer your question?

@delicate mica

[delicate mica]

yes :D thank u so much - i was really confused and your explaination really helped

[long whale]

I mean, if you say something like "She knocked him over the head with a feather and he fell to the floor, unconscious. This led to her arrest." then "this" refers to the action of knocking someone down, and maybe also the fact he was hurt by it, right? And that's exactly what "dies" would also refer to. :)

[delicate mica]

you're the best! - i think i get it :D

[fervent kernel]

hi can someone give an example sentence with the word "folglich" in it

pls"

[mellow nova]

ich habe zu viel gelernt, und folglich kann ich nicht mehr lernen

i think it's rather formal though

[fervent kernel]

ok thank you so much

[long whale]

A bit, yes. BTW, you wouldn't need the "und". :)

[mellow nova]

hm I thought it was a regular adverb

can i say 'und kann folglich nicht mehr lernen'

if i for some reason had the desire to use that word

[long whale]

Sure. :)

[cursive rain]

"Was pustest du?"
"Den Kaffee." oder "Der Kaffee."?

[long whale]

🤔 I'd say "Auf was pustest du?" - "Auf den Kaffee."

[cursive rain]

The question, more generally: do you answer in the nominative even if the reply would fit somewhere else, semantically?

[long whale]

No. You'd used the appropriate case. :)

[cursive rain]

"Wem beschenkst du diese Schokolade?"
"Meiner Frau"

Like this?

[long whale]

*Wem beschenkst schenkst - Yeah, exactly.

[cursive rain]

That's awesome. I really like that.

[cursive rain]

"Was pustest du?"
"Zigarettenrauch."
"Auf was pustest du das?"
"Die Vorhänge."
"Bitte nicht."

[long whale]

Yes - apart from the fact it's a pretty unnatural conversation. :D

[cursive rain]

There's no short form for Auf was?

Worauf?

[long whale]

Yes. :)

[heavy viper]

hello, how do you say subscripts in german? for example, in english we have for A_b, A sub b. How would it be in german? A unter b??

[whole portal]

Subscript?

@heavy viper can you elaborate

[fervent kernel]

The way you say it in mathematics

Or chemistry

[whole portal]

Just say the two things

[fervent kernel]

Like O_2 for Oxygen and O_3 for Ozone

[whole portal]

O-Zwei

t₀ = T-Null

[fervent kernel]

But what if I want to stress that it is actually O subscript Two to avoid confusion

[whole portal]

CO₂ = C-O-Zwei, just like in english

[heavy viper]

in mathematics you say a sub b, i guess you are right in chemistry but i mean in mathematics

[whole portal]

I haven't encountered that ever tbh but I guess you would say A Indize B

[mellow nova]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiefstellung @heavy viper

[whole portal]

Well that's the thing in german but you don't say A tiefgestellt B

[mellow nova]

read the article

it's about subscripts

specifically in math

[whole portal]

Nowhere does the article mention how to say it out loud

It's just notation

[mellow nova]

if that's what you think that's fine

[tribal lance]

Ich habe eine Frage. Mein Freund arbeitet teilzeitlich bei Doordash. Ich will ihn sagen "viel Glück bei den Ablieferungen."
Meine frage:
Ist hier "Ablieferung" das richtige Wort? Oder gibt's etwas besser?

[long whale]

You'd use Lieferungen :)

Or beim Abliefern

BTW, teilzeitlich doesn't exist, it would be arbeitet in Teilzeit or hat einen Teilzeitjob bei... :)

[whole portal]

Idk Abliefern seems a little inappropriate

Von wegen Arbeit abliefern which sounds a little disregarding

[long whale]

What?

[whole portal]

〈in übertragener Bedeutung:〉 sie hat eine bemerkenswerte Show abgeliefert (präsentiert, dargeboten)

like this

[fervent kernel]

Eure Augen tun euch weh?

Seine Kopf tut mir weh 🙄

Ihre Nägel tun mir weh

Ihre Haare tun uns weh

[fierce idol]

Ist da auch eine Deutschfrage? @fervent kernel

[fervent kernel]

Yes if these are correct

I think I got them grammatically right now

[fierce idol]

*Sein Kopf

Try to make it clearer, so that you actually get answers

[fervent kernel]

Ohh damn der kopf

[fierce idol]

Yes

[fervent kernel]

OK thx

[nimble viper]

Würden Deutschen eigentlch "Alles OK?" statt "Wie geht's?" sagen, oder gibt's einen echten Unterschied dazwischen?

[charred harbor]

Unterschied is masculine so it would be "einen echten" :)

[nimble viper]

Thought es gibt was nominative for some reason, strange

[charred harbor]

It's accusative because what follows is the grammatical object of what "es" gives

Es gibt einen Mann, es gibt eine Frau, etc etc

[nimble viper]

usw könntest du gerne wissen

verstehe ich dich, halt ein Unfall meiner Errinerung

aber was bringt einige Leute zum lachen werde ich nie verstehen...

[civic bronze]

Can someone explain the n-deklination to me please??

[plain umbra]

faq n declension

[stoic mauve]

FAQ not found. I found the following similar entries: N-Declension, Adjective Declension.

[plain umbra]

faq N-Declension

[stoic mauve]

Weak Nouns

Weak nouns are called this way because they receive the same endings as adjectives inflected with weak endings. They take an additional ending -n in every case except nominative singular. This is also known as N-Declension and affects almost exclusively masculine nouns.

Nominativ: der Junge, die Junge__n__
Genitiv: des Junge__n__, der Junge__n__
Dativ: dem Junge__n__, den Junge__n__
Akkusativ: den Junge__n__, die Junge__n__

Some nouns end with a suffix -en to make the pronunciation easier:
der Mensch, den Mensch__en__

‼ Das Herz is the only non-masculine (neuter) noun with N-Declension❣

So how do we recognize these nouns? We can divide them into 3 big groups:

1. nouns of Greek and Latin origin,
2. nouns ending with -e (most of these refer to people or animals),
3. other random German nouns (Mensch, Herr, Student, Nachbar, Prinz etc.)

Another way to divide the groups could be:

1. nouns denoting male beings in general (der Bauer, der Knabe, der Herr, der Junge, der Kunde etc.)
2. nouns indicating nationality or religious affiliation (der Chinese, der Russe, der Türke, der Jude, der Katholik, der Protestant)
3. nouns designating male beings and ending in the foreign suffixes (-ant, -arch, -ast, -ege, -ent, -ist, -oge, -om, -oph, -ot: der Kollege, der Student, der Psychologe, der Polizist, der Philosoph)

‼ der Käse and words ending with -ee aren’t weak nouns.

Genitive of Weak Nouns
You might have noticed from the examples above that weak nouns don’t have the additional -s in genitive like other masculine nouns.
Some exceptions are das Herz and nouns of group 3 that don’t refer to people nor animals (Name, Wille, Glaube, Buchstabe etc.), which take both the -n and -s endings.
Example: der Name, des Name__ns__.

[plain umbra]

@civic bronze

[long whale]

*Würden Deutsche (this is indeed Nom. -> no -n) - Not instead, I think. I might ask "Alles okay?" if I had reason to believe something was not okay.

[nimble viper]

Ok, Cheers! Yeah, N°Declination strikes again

[jagged steppe]

Hello does this make sense? Frankreich leidet unter extrem hohen Touristenzahlen – so schlimm ist es hier nicht, aber im Sommer ist es schwierig, ein Hotelzimmer zu bekommen.

[long whale]

Not a single error. 🎆

[jagged steppe]

Amazing thank you so much!

[celest pollen]

❌ ✅ CHECK CHECK

Liebst du mich? - Ich liebe dich nicht.
Ich freue mich, dass du dises Video aufgenommen hast. Vielen dank

[long whale]

nicht is for negating verbs. kein is for negating nouns, where you could use "no" in English. kein does not work with pronouns. 2nd sentence is okay, except for the typo: dieses

[celest pollen]

ok will [ try] to fix first sentence

Liebst du mich? - Ich liebe dich nicht.

Jetzt?

SUPER

[shut briar]

Es fällt mir schwer, mich beim Lesen auf Deutsch zu konzentrieren. Also lese ich mit dem Hörbuch mit. Glaubt ihr, dass es hilfreich ist, oder wäre es nachteilig oder kontraproduktiv

[long whale]

You mean you're reading a German book alongside its German audio version? If so, that's an excellent idea! :)

[shut briar]

Ah Gott sei Dank! Und danke dir 😊

[long whale]

There's actually something called the R/L method: https://www.reddit.com/r/languagelearning/comments/sokkyx/attempting_the_l_r_method_curious_if_im_doing/ (not so much the post itself, but the 1st comment) I love this method, by the way. :)

[shut briar]

Wouldn't reading in native language but listening in target be confusing. Translations aren't always direct. And knowing the content is a good tip, but unfortunately i get bored if I know what's gonna happen ahead 😅

But I'm glad it's a method, i thought it might be counter productive if you're not actively reading

[long whale]

Well, having the version in your native language at hand is useful as long as you're in the early stages of learning (provided you can get the material at all, which can be quite problematic, depending on the L you're learning). The guy who re-invented this particular wheel thought this could be used as the method to teach yourself a language, you see.

I was just trying to show you it wasn't only my personal opinion when I said it was an excellent idea. ;)

[shut briar]

I think I should get the book in English too then

[shut briar]

Das freut mich :).

[long whale]

Why? Do you often struggle to make out the meaning?

[shut briar]

Yeah a couple of places are like, what the hell do you want to say

But I would use it as less as possible

[long whale]

Okay... Well, depends. You could ask about those bits here, but of course, with the English version, you may get an instant answer. They do suggest working on precisely those bits, though - with the help of grammar books, dictionaries, or, presumably, by asking someone. :)

[shut briar]

Yea thanks to all you wonderful people here

[long whale]

Obviously, the WTF-bits are the ones containing vocab/expressions/grammar you haven't encountered/understood yet, so, those are the ones you'll most need to understand to progress. 🤷

[shut briar]

I am highlighting all those parts, the ones I need help with

[shut briar]

Exactly, but even where I understand the vocab and grammar structure, reading them reenforces them, and not to mention how good it feels to understand a different langauge

[long whale]

Couldn't agree more. ❤️

[fervent kernel]

Wäre mega dankbar für Eure Hilfe 👍

[upper ember]

Verstehst du keinen Teil des Absatzes?

[fervent kernel]

doch

der erste Satz schon. Aber ab dem 2ten fällt es mir schwer

[radiant pilot]

me while reading that text

tut mir leid Omilein

[fervent kernel]

mach nichts

[upper ember]

Woran geht die Geschichte, von der geschrieben wird?

[fervent kernel]

ich bin Versuchung erlegen, und hab den Übersetzer in ANspruch genommen

[upper ember]

Dem Wörterbuch nach bedeutet Geschick "Kraft"

[fervent kernel]

also habe ein grobes Gefühl bekommen, was der Absatz für Bedeutung in sich haben kann

danke trotzdem ^^

ich lösche das Bild jetzt wegen Urheberrecht 😄

[spark vine]

Ich glaube, dass das wort "Geschicke" hier an Schicksal verweist

bin aber nicht sicher

[fervent kernel]

ja das denke ich auch

[upper ember]

Ich war damit beschäftigt, ins Spanische zu übersetzen! 🤯

[fervent kernel]

haha muss aber nicht xD

[upper ember]

War ein bißchen Übersetzungsübung für mich

Geschick scheint Schicksal zu bedeuten, ja

[fervent kernel]

kann beides bedeuten

[upper ember]

Wie heißt allerdings dieses Buch?

[fervent kernel]

je nachm kontext

es heißt Allerseelen

[spark vine]

ich glaube, der Text wollte nur sagen, dass einige glauben, dass dieses Schicksal unvorhersehbar war, und andere, dass es unvermeidbar war

[upper ember]

Ist es von Nooteboom geschrieben worden?

[fervent kernel]

ja du hast recht

[upper ember]

Die ursprüngliche Sprache scheint, Niederländisch gewesen zu sein.

[spark vine]

ehrlich gesagt war das der komplizirteste Satz, den ich je gelesen habe lol

Liest du das zum Spaß oder für die Arbeit_

?*

[fervent kernel]

das ist nur ein selbstauferlegtes Projekt xD

[upper ember]

Der Satz war nicht soooooo kompliziert

Sicherlich gibts Komplizierteres :))

[fervent kernel]

ja freilich!

[spark vine]

good luck with that lol

[radiant pilot]

[fervent kernel]

man lernt nie aus! irgendwann stoßt man wiederum auf andere komplizierte Satzkonstruktion

[fervent kernel]

lel thanks

[upper ember]

Deutsch mag es, extrem lange Nebensätze anzuwenden... 🙈

[fervent kernel]

[fervent hollow]

Wäre der Satz, den ich gerade geschrieben habe, Grammatikalisch korrekt? Auf der Oberfläche scheint es ziemlich gut

[zealous violet]

welcher Satz?

[fervent hollow]

Auf der Oberfläche scheint es ziemlich gut

Oder solle ich einen unterschiedlichen Satz verwenden, Oberfläche betrachtet scheint es ziemlich gut zu sein

[long whale]

If you meant "superficially", then it's just the same in German. "Die Oberfläche" is a noun (surface) :)

[fervent hollow]

Ok

[long whale]

... and the literal translation of "on the surface" doesn't really mean "superficially", not in German. :)

[fervent hollow]

Oh ok

[fervent kernel]

Hello

I saw someone ask how to say "night" in their dialect

And they said "Umds oder Nacht"

Any idea as for "Umds"? What does it look like in Standard?

[lone olive]

How can I become a German Instructor?

[merry python]

If you want to offer lessons, you can contact the mods using #report-issue.
Make sure to check out this message in #info, it explains how the lessons work here.
#info message

[long whale]

Probably "abends" :)

[fervent kernel]

Dankeschön!!!

[shut briar]

Die Menschen haben sich um mich gekümmert

Ich wurde gekümmert

Is the passiv version odd? Somehow it seems so, like something's missing

[fervent kernel]

Maybe like this "Sie haben sich um mich gekümmert" - (Sie = die Menschen)

[shut briar]

Yeah this is active, I want to write something like, I have been taken care of

[fervent kernel]

"Ich wurde gekümmert" sounds wrong to me. I'm missing the information who has taken care of you.

You could say something like "Sie haben sich mir angenommen" but you will always have the passive form

[shut briar]

But that's the point of passiv no? The emphasis on the do-er is taken away

[long whale]

Unfortunately, verbs without an object can not be put into the passive the same way transitive verbs can.

You'll have to choose one of these: https://sprachekulturkommunikation.com/passiversatzformen-formen-funktion-und-beispiele-umschreibungen/

With "sich um jemanden kümmern", pretty much the only possibility is with "man/jemand": Man/Jemand wird/kann/muss/soll sich um ihn kümmern. 🤷

[shut briar]

Sie haben mir geholfen, mir isn't a direct object here right? but it can be made into passiv?

Bit confused about this point

[shut briar]

This is helpful, i didn't know you could use lassen like that

[long whale]

Yikes! Without an object - edited accordingly. 😳

[shut briar]

So passive for this would be "mir wurde angenommen " am i correct?

[long whale]

No. This would have to be: Sie haben sich meiner angenommen, I'm afraid. :)

[long whale]

No, and es wurde sich meiner angenommen just sounds unspeakably awkward/wrong. 🤷

[shut briar]

Hmm, so ' me' in 'take care of me ' wouldn't be an object?

[long whale]

No, there's only the prepositional "um jemanden", that doesn't count as an object, I'm afraid.

[shut briar]

Ach so 😯

[long whale]

But, you know, generally speaking, German isn't as much in favour of the passive voice as English is. :)

[shut briar]

That's good, it has been killing me

[long whale]

It's even considered pretty bad style in essays where it's unnecessary.

I mean, sure, you'd want to say "Die Kirche wurde im 13. Jahrhundert erbaut", because, well, we don't know who the agent was, right?

But otherwise, it's for Beamtendeutsch. :)

[shut briar]

Right, so this one's natural to use

[shut briar]

Official German?

[long whale]

But those Ersatz-forms, like the one with "lassen" are really popular. :)

Those you'd use where you'd say "I'm having/getting this done" in English.

[shut briar]

This is interesting. I have seen structures like these. I found them odd cause I was literally translating them with one, but I guess man has a wider use. So when you use man here, you remove the emphasis from the doer without making it passive

[fervent kernel]

@shut briar but maybe "mir wurde geholfen" could work for your question.

[shut briar]

Looking forward to using them, I'm starting B2 soon

[long whale]

Definitely. Except, well, it sounds a bit strange. Why not mention who helped you? :)

[shut briar]

Just one more thing, what's meiner here exactly? Never seen it before

[long whale]

Don't worry about it. That's C1 stuff, I think. ;)

And pretty rare to boot.

Lots of native German speakers around who'd rather run a mile than be forced to used a construction which requires it. :D

It's the genitive pronoun.

"sich jemandes annehmen"

[shut briar]

That's hilarious

[long whale]

-> Genitiv required

[fervent kernel]

you would only use it in contex. Like i had an car accident. The fire department showed up and "mir wurde geholfen".

[shut briar]

Yeah I've heard everything with genitiv that's also necessary, just gets replaced by dativ in spoken

[long whale]

... or by a different construction. That's probably why "sich jemandes/einer Sache annehmen" is a lot less popular than "sich um jemanden kümmern". :D

[fervent kernel]

... or "jemanden helfen"

[long whale]

But that's not quite the same as to meaning. :)

[proven sphinx]

Does "jemanden helfen" even exist? I've never heard it before. It should be "jemandem helfen".

[shut briar]

Genitiv is almost redundant I guess? I do like it's use in Titles cause I don't have to say von then

More elegant

[long whale]

No, no. It isn't, trust me.

[shut briar]

I mean in spoken

[long whale]

Yes, definitely more elegant, and almost unavoidable if you have a double Genitiv.

[long whale]

Very much depends on who you're talking to (and where they're from).

[shut briar]

Ach so

[long whale]

I mean, most people will baulk at something like Die Tür vom Auto vom Freund von meinem Vater

[shut briar]

Mom’s pancakes’ taste’s complexity is unparalleled.

[fervent kernel]

@long whale Aber "I have been taken care of" könnte ja auch in einem "medizinischen" Umfeld eher mit mir wurde geholfen übersetzt werden...

[shut briar]

How would you personally say it? With genitiv?

[shut briar]

This one too

[long whale]

Die geschmackliche Komplexität der Pfannkuchen meiner Mutter?

[fervent kernel]

"Die Pfannkuchen meiner Mutter schmecken unvergleichlich gut." ?

[whole portal]

Die geschmackliche Komplexität deiner Mutter.*

[shut briar]

Ah you made taste an adjective

[long whale]

Die Tür vom Auto des Freundes meines Vaters, probably.

[shut briar]

Oh so a mixture von beiden

Okay

[fervent kernel]

Sounds weird to me ^^

I guess first of all you would say Autotür insteed of Die Tür vom Auto

[long whale]

Not if you'd gotten it as a replacement, after an accident, for example. I wouldn't, at any rate. 🤷

[fervent kernel]

But if i´m getting it as a replacement then im still getting a car door and not a door from a car... ?

because a Autotür can only come from a Auto...

and not from a bus. otherwise it would be a bus door

wir haben deutsch gerlernen
or
wir haben deutsch gerlernt

[sweet moon]

Deutsch großgeschrieben und gelernt

[mellow nova]

Only ask in one channel.

[fervent kernel]

@mellow nova he first asked in the first channel but got ignored pretty good. ^^

[mellow nova]

He was answered.

[solemn helm]

Hello, I have a question on when I need to use 'dass' and when not.

English sentence:

I think I've already learned about it.

My translation:
Ich glaube, dass ich schon über es gelernt habe.

Deepl:

Ich glaube, ich habe bereits davon erfahren.

Ignoring the word vocabulary changes, what kind of sentence structure is Deepl using? It's just a second main clause, right? What allows them to do this?

[mellow nova]

saying dass can be omitted with some verbs

that's just how it is

[solemn helm]

Interesting.

Is that colloquial?

[mellow nova]

no idea ¯_(ツ)_/¯

probably

[solemn helm]

Like "I hope I don't die" Vs. "I hope that I don't die"?

[sweet moon]

It's the same in english there. I think I've already learned about it vs. I think "that" I've already learned about it

[solemn helm]

I'm not even sure in English now.

[sweet moon]

you can think of it that way

[solemn helm]

you can think of it way

[sweet moon]

haha

[mellow nova]

I mean the reason it's omitted in English is different

but yeah it lines up in this case

[solemn helm]

Ok can I try to restructure my sentance then?

[long whale]

Omitting the "dass" where possible is actually rather more elegant. ;)

[solemn helm]

Ich glaube, ich habe schon über es gelernt.

[long whale]

This will never work, because "über" isn't the right preposition here. :)

[fervent kernel]

Ich glaube, ich habe schon darüber gelernt.

[solemn helm]

I guess davon is required

[long whale]

Ich glaube, ich habe schon etwas darüber gelernt. :)

And yes, the "etwas" needs to be included. :)

[solemn helm]

So whenever I have an itch to use über es I should definitely translate it as darüber ?

[fervent kernel]

@solemn helm you could use davon in case of hören. Ich haben schon davon gehört.

[solemn helm]

So just confirming: Losing the dass simply means I'm chaining together two Hauptsätze.

And that's considered preferable.

[long whale]

Where possible, yes. :)

[solemn helm]

And the ability to do so (as opposed to using Nebensätze) is driven both by conjunctions (like aber), or some verbs (like glaube)?

[long whale]

The verb decides whether you can omit the "dass". If you do use a conjunction, it's the conjunction which requires a particular construction. :)

[fervent kernel]

@long whale Where are the two Hauptsätze on Ich glaube, dass ich schon etwas darüber gelernt habe. Is "Ich glaube" the first Hauptsatzt?

[solemn helm]

Yes

[long whale]

We were talking about "Ich glaube, ich habe schon etwas darüber gelernt" :)

[solemn helm]

"I believe"

Subject, verb.

All that is required.

Makes more sense than you use something like "I run" or "I swim"

Knowing where, or why, or when, or with whom is adding to the sentence, but isn't required.

[mellow nova]

good to remember that subject + verb =/= hauptsatz

but it can be, of course

[fervent kernel]

Yeah but believing is a big word. I can belive in god or i belive i´ve heard about that before are like two different pairs of shoes

[mellow nova]

that makes 0 difference as to the type of clause

[fervent kernel]

Yeah, by clause not buy meaning alot. Yes i swim is a Hauptsatz and i belive also. But just the sentence I belive sounds wrong to me. Eventhough it is proper german

[swift bough]

@long whale btw I asked one of my friends who is actually younger than me and they also think it sounds totally normal to say „in Erinnerungen schwelgen“ so it doesn’t seem like it’s a generational saying

[quasi remnant]

Guten Morgen

I'm curious to understand the difference between 3 adjectives:

Komisch

Lustig

Merkwürdig

.
Do they have different implications and grammar uses?

[mellow nova]

lustig - funny/fun
komisch - funny in a weird way (think: that's odd, that's peculiar)
merkwürdig - strange, bizarre

as far as i know ^^

[quasi remnant]

So komisch is like a strange but in a lightly manner

A little arbitrary

Danke schön!

[placid token]

Komisch is like that, yeah- Consider a word like "albern", too, as in the right context it can get the same point across 🙂

Also when thinking about fun- In German, something has to make the fun. It can't just be fun.

[quasi remnant]

?

Is it funny because it made a funny act per example? Not because of the appearance or previous opinions?

[placid token]

Pardon?

Oh no- Lustig can be lusting

Funny is funny, but with fun it must be made

[mellow nova]

If someone speaks in Old English for no reason: that would be komisch
If someone scrunches their face after eating something sour: that could be komisch

[quasi remnant]

damn

[fervent kernel]

Or if something unexpected happens than it could be komisch as well

[quasi remnant]

It remembers "comical"

I'm brazilian, so we use the word "cômico" to describe something tragic or funny too

[quasi remnant]

I see, so it is extremely flexible

[quasi remnant]

Understood

[mellow nova]

all of them have the same (very very old) origin

German got it from French comique

[quasi remnant]

Oh my, thanks everyone for the contribution to understand this so far

[fervent kernel]

komisch can be strange, funny, weird. It depends on context...

[quasi remnant]

I like it even more now

[mellow nova]

If you like podcasts, there is one aimed at beginner learners called 'speaking of Berlin', there's a good example there. A guy gets his arm hit really hard at a mosh pit and it swells up due to a blood clot or something: he called that komisch

[quasi remnant]

I shall give that a try, it's incredibly awful sometimes to search for recommendations without any reference such as advanced/native speakers

[mellow nova]

There is a whole channel for that here! #resources

Or you can go to the r/German sub and look at their FAQ/wiki, it has a ton of sources (including self study resources) aimed at all levels of learning

[quasi remnant]

Marvelous

[fervent kernel]

Yeah because he did not expect that.. but is was definitely not funny for him.

[mellow nova]

exactly

[fervent kernel]

Which link?

[fervent kernel]

@mellow nova deine Hand tut weh von viel schreiben?

[olive sluice]

Gibt es eigentlich einen Unterschied zwischen „anlagern“ und „ablagern“? Kann ich hier die beiden Wörter austauschen?

z. B:
Das Experiment belegte, dass die Placebos die Ausschüttung körpereigener Opioide bewirkt hatten, die sich im Gehirn an den gleichen Stellen anlagern wie das synthetisch hergestellte Morphin.

Zudem lagert sich Wasserdampf an ihnen ab.

[long whale]

Mm... no, they can't really be used interchangeably, not to my knowledge. "anlagern" is used in chemistry, for "to connect" or for "to absorb". "ablagern" is for "to store and gain/lose quality" (e.g. food) and in geology for sediments, when things (sand, particles) sink to the ground, in a river or lake.

This is a good site to check such things: https://www.dwds.de/wb/anlagern :)

[random crypt]

Können Sie mir erklären. What is der Unterschied? Ich denke, dass die Lösung "Ihm" ist, aber vielleicht ist "Er"

[long whale]

Do not post the same question in more than one channel. People may not realize the question has already been answered elsewhere -> waste of time and effort. :)

[azure smelt]

I need help about translation a short English text to German. Could you correct my mistakes please?

<ENGLISH>

Dental procedures can be overwhelming. Difficult patients, time pressures, regulatory pressures, team issues…it can cause a long, tiring day.
However, the challenge of helping others to overcome their fears, concerns and emotions not only makes them feel blissful, the opportunity to guide someone who emotionally wants to change something with my knowledge and experience makes me even happier.
During the course of my education and an internship at a private clinic, I have been taught the many aspects of dental practice. From interviewing patients to preparing them for dental
surgeries, I am knowledgeable of the many duties that dental assistants perform. As an
effective chair-side assistant, I am capable of providing support in treating patients and
providing assistance in sanitizing instruments.

<GERMAN>

Zahnbehandlungen können überwältigend sein. Schwierige Patienten, Zeitdruck,
regulatorischer Druck, Teamprobleme … das kann einen langen, ermüdenden Tag
verursachen.
Die Herausforderung, anderen zu helfen, ihre Ängste, Sorgen und Emotionen zu
überwinden, macht sie jedoch nicht nur glücklich, die Möglichkeit, jemanden, der
emotional etwas verändern möchte, mit meinem Wissen und meiner Erfahrung zu
begleiten, macht mich noch glücklicher.
Im Rahmen meiner Ausbildung und eines Praktikums in einer Privatklinik wurden mir viele Facetten der zahnärztlichen Praxis vermittelt. Von der Befragung von Patienten
bis zur Vorbereitung auf die Zahnarztpraxis kenne ich die vielen Aufgaben, die Zahnarzthelferinnen erfüllen. Als effektive Assistentin am Behandlungsstuhl bin ich
in der Lage, Patienten bei der Behandlung von Patienten zu unterstützen und bei der Desinfektion von Instrumenten zu helfen.

[long whale]

It's fine, grammar-wise. Did you write the English version yourself? If so, I'd warmly recommend simplifying the "challenge"-sentence (perhaps cut it up into 2 or even 3 sentences). Had to read the German version more than once, it's that complicated. :)

[fervent kernel]

Zahnbehandlungen können überwältigend sein. Schwierige Patienten, Zeitdruck,
regulatorischer Druck, Teamprobleme … das kann einen langen, ermüdenden Tag
verursachen.
Die Herausforderung, anderen zu helfen, ihre Ängste, Sorgen und Emotionen zu
überwinden, macht sie jedoch nicht nur glücklich, die Möglichkeit, jemanden, der
emotional etwas verändern möchte, mit meinem Wissen und meiner Erfahrung zu
begleiten, macht mich noch glücklicher.
Im Rahmen meiner Ausbildung und eines Praktikums in einer Privatklinik wurden mir viele Facetten der zahnärztlichen Praxis vermittelt. Von der Befragung von Patienten
bis zur Vorbereitung auf die Zahnarztpraxis kenne ich die vielen Aufgaben, die Zahnarzthelferinnen erfüllen müssen. Als effektive Assistentin am Behandlungsstuhl bin ich
in der Lage, Patienten bei der Behandlung von Patienten zu unterstützen und bei der Desinfektion von Instrumenten zu helfen.

I'd add "müssen" because it sounds nicer this way. Otherwise it's a great text. I didn't spot any mistakes

[azure smelt]

Thank you, I will add it

[azure smelt]

Thank you, you are right. Do you have any suggestion about how to simplify? Conjuction or something else, I don't know

[fervent kernel]

Also something I've noticed: If you are male and referring to yourself as dental assistant, then I'd use Zahnarzthelfer instead of Zahnarzthelferinnen. If you just want to talk about dental assistants in generel (including all genders) I'd use Zahnarzthelfer*innen

[fervent kernel]

Zahnbehandlungen können überwältigend sein. Schwierige Patienten, Zeitdruck,
regulatorischer Druck, Teamprobleme … das kann einen langen, ermüdenden Tag
verursachen.
Die Herausforderung, anderen zu helfen, ihre Ängste, Sorgen und Emotionen zu
überwinden, macht sie jedoch nicht nur glücklich. Auch die Möglichkeit, jemanden, der
emotional etwas verändern möchte mit meinem Wissen und meiner Erfahrung zu
begleiten, macht mich glücklich.
Im Rahmen meiner Ausbildung und eines Praktikums in einer Privatklinik wurden mir viele Facetten der zahnärztlichen Praxis vermittelt. Von der Befragung von Patienten bis zur Vorbereitung auf die Zahnarztpraxis kenne ich die vielen Aufgaben, die Zahnarzthelfer*innen erfüllen müssen. Als effektive Assistentin am Behandlungsstuhl bin ich in der Lage, Ärzt'innen bei der Behandlung von Patienten zu unterstützen und bei der Desinfektion von Instrumenten zu helfen.

I've shortened the very long sentences

[olive sluice]

Vielen Dank für deine klare Erklärung!

[azure smelt]

Thank you very much!

[fervent kernel]

In my mind "Als **effektive **Assistentin am Behandlungsstuhl bin ich in der Lage, Patienten bei der Behandlung von Patienten zu unterstützen und bei der Desinfektion von Instrumenten zu helfen." the effektive is too much. I would not hire an assistant how is not effektiv. So why do you emphasize it?

[celest pollen]

Why is the final array not used here if I have "während "?

"Ich trinke dort während meiner Mittagspause ein Bierchen mit meinem Chef.

[fervent kernel]

What do you mean by final array?

[celest pollen]

verb at the end of a sentence

[long whale]

That's for subordinate clauses. Here, you've got 1 main clause.

In this sentence, während means "during", not "while".

[celest pollen]

mmmmm, that's a little messed up in my head right now.

because I was only set on the verb at the end and now you're talking about this.

What do you call this type of sentence, and what order do you use in it?

I'll google how to make one, but I don't know where to start

[long whale]

main clause = Hauptsatz

[long whale]

What? It's the normal run-of-the-mill kind of sentence. 🤷

The one with the [conjugated] verb in Pos. 2. As it is.

[celest pollen]

I don't know because.,...., I knew that there is always a final array after conjunctions

And so now you've written it, and as if I were to make a sentence with just such a conjunction

I wouldn't know where to put it to be correct.

[long whale]

The point is, "während" is NOT a conjunction here.

As opposed to a sentence like "Ich trinke in der Mittagspause ein Bier, während mein Chef die Buchhaltung macht". Here, your main clause is you drinking beer, and your boss doing the accounting is the subordinate clause/Nebensatz.

[celest pollen]

so this was "Einfacher Satz" type of word order in my sentence

[long whale]

Yeah. Just with a lot of info.

[celest pollen]

Vater - Warum schlafst du nicht ? < main clause ??

Ich - Weil ich nicht kann < subordinate clause ???

Btw can we start a sentence with Konjunktionen?

[proven sphinx]

Warum du nicht schlafen? Something is definitely missing there.

[celest pollen]

hmmm dont write
i will try to fix this

[proven sphinx]

Do you mean "Warum schläfst du nicht?" (Why aren't you sleeping?)

[celest pollen]

aaa

[proven sphinx]

Oh, too late. 😂

[celest pollen]

yes i mean this
but my sentence was totally wrong?

[proven sphinx]

But yes, you can start a sentence with a conjunction if it's an answer to a question.

[proven sphinx]

Uh, yes.

In questions, the verb has to come second.

Just like in English.

[celest pollen]

well
I'm still mixing up English and German

But I try to remove it

[proven sphinx]

Your original sentence could indeed be correct if you added a modal verb, though:

"Warum willst/kannst du nicht schlafen?"

[celest pollen]

und second question

On what basis is it conjugated

letztes and nächstes? e.g.

Seit letztem Jahr trinke ich ein Bier mit dem Chef

Seit nächstes Jahr trinke ich kein bier mit dem Cheft <<and please check this gramatic cuz i build this sentence

[proven sphinx]

"Seit letztem Jahr trinke ich ein Bier mit dem Chef"

That sounds like you've been drinking your beer so slowly that it's taken you a whole year. 😅

letztes Jahr = last year
nächstes Jahr = next year

[celest pollen]

and the first one isn't mine, it's from the website of a person who speaks German in my language

[proven sphinx]

I see.

[proven sphinx]

So what exactly is your question here?

What part do you have trouble with?

For starters, you can't say "seit nächstem Jahr" because "seit" always refers to something in the past. It has to be "ab nächstem Jahr".

[celest pollen]

the ending nächst | es / letzt | es
because I saw a table on the internet but I don't know how it changes

Because a year is "das" and from him?

[proven sphinx]

"seit" requires the dative. That's why it's "seit letztem Jahr"

Your second sentence should correctly be: "Ab nächstem Jahr trinke ich kein Bier mehr mit dem Chef."

[celest pollen]

I was about to ask why not the -em ending in nachstem

But you corrected it

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, both are possible, but the version with the dative is far more common, actually.

[proven sphinx]

That is correct. What is your point, though? 🤔

[celest pollen]

yes yes yes
I did this before you corrected it

[proven sphinx]

Basically, you just need to know which case a preposition requires. "ab" and "seit" require the dative, so you need to use the corresponding dative form.

[celest pollen]

ah so, the notes of the instructor in my language are too small

because the ab is missing

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, "ab" is used for "starting from that date".

[celest pollen]

Ich habe nie kein bier getrunken❌ ✅

to much Bier sentences for today

[proven sphinx]

Nah, you can't combine "nie" and "kein" like that.

Ich habe noch nie ein Bier getrunken.

[next narwhal]

Hmm, ich denke schon das das geht... doppelte Verneinung oder nicht? @proven sphinx

[proven sphinx]

Ich habe noch nie kein Bier getrunken? Kein Mensch würde das sagen.

Ich habe noch nie (ein) Bier getrunken.

[next narwhal]

Das stimmt, eher dann "Ich habe immer Bier getrunken" oder so.

[proven sphinx]

Ja, natürlich. Das Deutsche mag keine doppelten Verneinungen.

[fervent kernel]

@proven sphinx tut dir etwas weh?

Rückenschmerzen?

[neon merlin]

does während take dativ ? as i see from this picture

[upper ember]

Während regiert Genitiv.

[neon merlin]

thanks

[celest pollen]

Du bist wiser als aussehen❌ ✅

[rotund thorn]

Ich habe auf einer Familienfeier noch nie kein Bier getrunken. So würde es gehen

[fervent kernel]

Well in bavarian dialekt it can happen, not to often but it is possible

[midnight osprey]

Ich würde mich hiermit gerne um ein Praktikum in Universität München bewerben.
Is this sentence correct?

[modest plover]

no, universität is missing an article.
This would be correct:
Ich würde mich hiermit gerne um ein Praktikum in der Universität München bewerben.

[midnight osprey]

Danke

[past juniper]

Hello #questions-2-dwellers. If you use the questions channels, either to ask questions or help people out, you might be interested in checking out the latest announcement in #announcements.

If you're annoyed by these, this is the last time I'm reposting it. Just wanted the night shift to see it too.

[kind knoll]

I clicked on interested and it told me I’ll be dmed soon but when I refer edged the interested button appeared again do i press it again or did it send the first time

[past juniper]

We got your response don't worry. It's the same button for everyone so it can't just disappear as soon as one person presses it.

[kind knoll]

Oki

[upper ember]

Ist die Stellung im Mittelfeld wirklich so frei?

[icy flax]

Wenn das Buch nicht imstande ist, Dinge zu geben, schon.
Ich glaub, sie haben "relativ" geschrieben, weil manchmal die Satzteile nicht so einfach von Stellungen gewechselt werden können, ohne dass Doppelbedeutungen entstehen.

[upper ember]

Ja, in diesem Satz kommt es klar vor, welche syntaktische Rolle die Satzteile im Satz spielen.

Deswegen ist es möglich, die Stellungen davon abzuwechseln.

Der Deutschsprechende muss dazu bereit sein, solchen einen Satz zu begreifen.

[icy flax]

@upper ember, bei "weil das Buch der Frau der Mann gibt" würde mir mittlerweile schwerfallen, zu schätzen, ob das Buch der Frau gehört oder nicht

[long whale]

Voodoo, "geben" without an indirect object would only make sense in the very specific context of donating to a charity, or in a fixed expression like "Trinkgeld geben". :)

[pliant pelican]

how could ı say ,,because of the Problem, i can not sleep" in german

[fervent kernel]

Wegen des Problems kann ich nicht schlafen

[rocky shard]

ich würde wegen dem Problem sagen aber kein plan

[long whale]

wegen + Dativ = colloquial, spoken German; wegen + Genitiv = formal, written German :)

[fervent kernel]

Der Genetiv ist dem Dativ sein Tod lol

[rocky shard]

isser wohl, habe das buch aber nie gelesen

[shut briar]

“Es gab welche, die groß waren wie ein Fußballstadion, und kleinere, in die nur ein paar hundert Zuschauer paßten.”

Wenn ich diesen Satz schreiben müsste, würde ich manche oder einige schreiben. Ist die Verwendung von welche hier alt oder was

[long whale]

No, not at all. I mean, using "einige" or "manche" would work, but would put (undue) emphasis on their number. I'd translate "welche" here as "There were those which were big and those which were small" or rather "There were big ones and small ones" Does that help?

[shut briar]

I just read the whole sentence

Look

“Es gab welche, die groß waren wie ein Fußballstadion, und kleinere, in die nur ein paar hundert Zuschauer paßten. Es gab prächtige, mit Säulen und Figuren verzierte, und solche, die schlicht und schmucklos waren.”

They use solche in the next part

[long whale]

Yeah. There were magnificent ones, decorated with...

[shut briar]

'those' i would write solche

[long whale]

Mm... Yeah, I see, using "ones" would become impractical where they say "solche".

Ende could have used that right from the start, btw: Es gab solche, die...

[shut briar]

Right. But the end result is that welche and solche are synonymous?

[long whale]

Mm, yeah. Except (as you probably know) you couldn't use "solche" as a question word.

[shut briar]

Right, so just in this case

[long whale]

Yeah, for enumerating different kinds.

[shut briar]

My mind actually keeps going to 'which', So I'll probably stick to solche

Übrigens, is this why there is was für welche?

[long whale]

Exactly.

Ich brauche ein paar Äpfel. - Was für welche? (What kind?) (sweet, sharp, large, red - whatever).

Or "Welche wollen Sie?" (which of those I have on offer)

[shut briar]

Maybe he didn't wanna be repetitive?

[long whale]

Yup, exactly.

That's my main quarrel with this book (as recommended for learners): the language is a bit too lovely. :D

[shut briar]

I don't come across this anywhere, written or spoken, it's just was für ein

[long whale]

It's not unusual, though. 🤔

[shut briar]

Yeah, but at-least it's fun, i almost decided to leave German because of this book I got in a Thriftshop

[shut briar]

Are the meanings exactly same?

[long whale]

Well, you couldn't use "Welche/r/s?" unless there was a limited choice.

[shut briar]

Wait I meant was für ein and was für welche

[shut briar]

But i didn't know that either

[long whale]

Oh, right. Well, "was für welche" only works with plural.

[shut briar]

Ach so

[long whale]

Was für Äpfel? Was für welche (not wanting to repeat "apples")?

[fervent kernel]

@shut briar Welche Wange tut weh?

Welches Auge tut weh?

[shut briar]

Hmm, German is pretty repetition averse like English i see

[edgy hemlock]

Hi there guys, I have a question. Can someone explain what is the difference between ''zurückhaltend'' and ''widerwillig'', they seem to have the same meaning and can be used interchangeably

[coral garden]

do you say Ich bin ein Ausländer

or Ich bin Ausländer

[long whale]

No article -2nd is correct.

[coral garden]

is that a general rule?

Ich bin NOUN

[long whale]

widerwillig = reluctant/ly; without wanting to vs. zurückhaltend = restrained, reserved

[coral garden]

takes no article?

[long whale]

Correct. Like job titles or nationalities: Ich bin Lehrerin. Ich bin Deutsche. :)

[coral garden]

ok that is like one of the other langs i know

but unlike the other lang i know

fun times

[edgy hemlock]

Thanks:)

[fervent kernel]

Leute habt schöne Valentinstag gehabt?

[whole portal]

Ist halt nicht viel passiert.

(ihr einen schönen)

[fervent kernel]

Fragst du uns oder ist das eine Frage bezüglich der Grammatik?

[celest pollen]

Im Montag mache ich nur Grammatik, aber im Dienstag höre ich Videos im Deutsch.
Weil ich nicht will, damit mein Deutsch lerne session langweilig wird❌ ✅

[wise pendant]

*Am Montag
*am Dienstag
*dass

[celest pollen]

really damit doesnt fit

in my langueage damit is like " so that, in order to,"

[wise pendant]

Using 1 on 1 translations never works. There are things in a language you can't just translate based on dictionaries

[celest pollen]

If I talked to you like that in real life, would you know what I meant?
i mean damit, no dass

Weil ich nicht will, um mein Deutsch lerne session zu langweilig werden

what about um... zu

[wise pendant]

Using um zu or damit would be like in English:
Because I don't want, so that my German learning session gets boring

[celest pollen]

Well, when I read it, it's "understandable" to me and I know what it's about

But it's probably not correct, like you said

[wise pendant]

Sure but very awkward

[brave hazel]

What's the Plural of choice in german? in translator choice is "Wahl" and choices is "Auswahlmöglichkeiten"

[noble yacht]

Depends on context.
Wahl - Wahlen
Auswahlmöglichkeit - Auswahlmöglichkeiten
^^

[frosty heart]

How do you say “will we make our train(or like any timed event)?” In German because Google translate says “machen wir unseren Zug” but I’m not sure if it means it literally or not

[proven sphinx]

Wir werden es auf den Zug schaffen.

[frosty heart]

Thanks!

So “we will make the bus” would be “wir werden es auf den Bus schaffen”

[proven sphinx]

Yep.

[proven sphinx]

@wise pendant @autumn marsh Hey, ihr beide. Was haltet ihr von "Wir werden es auf den Zug schaffen"? Ich habe das gegooglet, aber ich finde vor allem Resultate auf Schweizer Websites. Würde man in Deutschland vielleicht eher "Wir werden den Zug schaffen?" sagen? 😅

[wise pendant]

"Wir werden es in den Zug schaffen" vllt

[proven sphinx]

Hmm, interessant...

[autumn marsh]

hmmm

i'd avoid both

"Wir werden den Zug bekommen"

[proven sphinx]

Ja, vielleicht wäre das die beste Lösung.

[autumn marsh]

or "kriegen"

[wise pendant]

jep

[kind knoll]

Is that a formal way of saying it?

[autumn marsh]

what now?

[kind knoll]

This

[proven sphinx]

Maybe it sounds more formal than "kriegen", yeah.

[autumn marsh]

maybe very slightly more formal but i'd use it in informal speech just as much

if anything, it's more formal because it includes the unnecessary future form, i'd just say:

"Wir bekommen den Zug", or "Wir kriegen den Zug"

[cobalt oriole]

Wir erwischen den Zug

lol

[autumn marsh]

"Wir schaffen den Zug" works aswell

erwischen is also fine ye

[cobalt oriole]

that sounds odd to me

[autumn marsh]

yea just realized that aswell

but

"Wir schaffen den Zug um 19:15" sounds fine 😄

[cobalt oriole]

Yup!

[kind knoll]

Erwischen is my favorite verb for that sentence

[fervent kernel]

erwischen is your fav german verb?

mine is amplifizieren

[kind knoll]

No my favorite verb is probably the past tense of gehen

Gegangen

[upper ember]

Mein Lieblingsverb ist: VERGÖNNEN

[kind knoll]

Was bedeutet das

[upper ember]

Schlag das mal nach, so findest du's heraus :)

[long whale]

Please don't post the same question in more than one channel, as people may not realize it has already been answered elsewhere -> waste of time and effort. :)

[rotund viper]

okay 🙂

[tall hull]

wie normalisiert man diese Temporal-Angebe?
Wenn die Regenzeit beginnt,...

1. Bei Beginn der Regenzeit?
2. Mit Beginn...
3. Zu Beginn...

do all of them work? which one is more natural?

[fervent kernel]

all of them work, i personally would use Zu Beginn

[frail wraith]

Hallo,Was bedeutet k o sein und hundemude?

[quasi remnant]

Hallo!

What is the difference between aussehen and simply sehen?

[swift bough]

aussehen = to look like
sehen = to see, to look

[quasi remnant]

Oh, so you use "aussehen" in construction like "I look like a fool" and things like that?

[swift bough]

Yes

With sehen that does not work

Only with aussehen

[quasi remnant]

Danke!

[long whale]

If you spell the words correctly: k. o. and hundemüde, you'll find them in any dictionary. ;)

[steep sleet]

hallo ich habe eine Frage.

[fervent kernel]

na dann mal los

[steep sleet]

"Die Hälfte der Malaysianer magt/mögen Fußball." Welche Form des Verbs sollen wir hier benutzen?

[steep sleet]

mag*/mögen

[fervent kernel]

both sound correct

[ancient pulsar]

Er sagte, dass du Frank hast singen hören.
Er sagte, dass du Frank hast singen gehört.

Er sagte, dass du Frank singen hören hast.
Er sagte, dass du Frank singen gehört hast.

welche ist richtig?

[steel patrol]

The last one sounds the best to me.

[ancient pulsar]

When the double infinitive construction occurs in dependent clauses, the conjugated form of the auxiliary haben or werden is not moved into final position

but deepl shows it does

[fervent kernel]

last one

[steel patrol]

Yes, haben or werden will go last

[wise pendant]

1, 4 and perhaps 2

[ancient pulsar]

so both conjugated and non conjugated hören is correct

so there is this rule where you dont conjugate the verb if you have double infinitive

but!

you can also conjugate it

Wir haben sie sprechen hören.
Wir haben sie sprechen gehört.

both correct here

but then the second question is where to put haben in a dependent clause

the book says before the double infitives

[ancient pulsar]

therefore first two seems the correct option

this is all an assumption based on the rules i know

[long whale]

Not 2 (in case you're interested)

[long whale]

Only 1 and 4 work. :)

[wise pendant]

Seems to me like some people maybe dialectally might say that though

But it's definitely not the standard way

[ancient pulsar]

why do we have non conjugateed hören in the first one and conjugated in the fourth

why is it allowed in the fourth but not in the first?

ok dont tell i know

you can use both conjugated and non conjugated
when it is not conjugated it is double infitive, therefore haben should be before double infitive
but when it is a conjugated then haben goes to the end bcz it is a normal strucutre and not double infitive

[long whale]

That sounds about right, thanks! :D

[ancient pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-wow-yay-omg-really-gif-15731645

wait

i forgot to thank you @long whale

vielen Dank

:D

i was a bit excited

[charred fog]

So I came across this sentence in a book and I do not understand how it works. War essen? What?!
Einmal war ich nach einer Party um zwei Uhr morgens Döner essen

[long whale]

Yes, this works with activities. In spoken German, it's not an uncommon construction. :)

[charred fog]

Ok thanks 👍

just when i thought i was done with grammar...

[long whale]

It's related to the ->faq Omission of movement verbs

[charred fog]

Does german have the oxford comma? or is it like english with no consensus?

[long whale]

No, no Oxford comma in German. :)

The only case where there's a comma before "und" is when it's followed by a full main clause with subject and verb.

[icy flax]

-- Stand vs Zustand --

Was ist der aktuelle Stand zu Coronainfektionen in den Vereinigten Staaten?
Was ist gerade der Zustand/Stand deines Opas im Krankenhaus?
Mit dem Deutschen Klimavorsorgeportal bleiben wir auf dem neuesten Zustand/Stand der Klimafolgenforschung.
Nach DWDS gibt es eine gewisse Überlagerung zwischen Stand und Zustand hinsichtlich der Bedeutung. Ist es so, dass "Zustand" immer gegen "Stand" eingetäuscht werden kann?

[small garden]

How do u say "i cant remember" in german

[dense dock]

Ich kann mich nicht erinnern

[small garden]

Thanks

[dense dock]

No problem :)

[long whale]

No, definitely not. "auf dem neuesten Stand sein/bleiben" is a fixed expression. Gesundheitszustand (state of someone's health) cannot be changed, either: Wie ist der Gesundheitszustand/gesundheitliche Zustand deines Großvaters (you wouldn't talk about somebody else's grandfather by saying "Opa", I mean, you don't say to a grownup "How is your Mommy?", do you?). Right now, not a single instance occurs to me where you could use "Zustand" as a synonym for "Stand". 🤷

[wise pendant]

Same

[icy flax]

Nein, ich glaub nicht, wir sagen "opa" nicht. Jetzt ist es mir klar. Bei Zustand geht es um die Qualität von etwas; bei Stand, um etwas konkreter ||es sei denn, dass es als ein fester Ausdruck steht||.

[lusty harness]

Hallo! Quick question. I found the following sentence in an exercise: "Das Geschäft ist von morgens bis abends geöffnet". I'm a little confused as to why the words "morgens" and "abends" end with the S and are written without the capital letter. Is it an error of the excercise itself or there's an actual explanation?😅

[proven sphinx]

morgens/abends = jeden Morgen/Abend

Morgens bin ich immer in der Schule.
Abends lese ich immer ein Buch.

[lusty harness]

ohh so it's like a contraction?

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, it comes from "des Morgens" (genitive singular of "Morgen"), but it was contracted to "morgens" a long time ago.

morgens, abends, nachts

They all works like that.

[lusty harness]

Got it! Danke schön✨

[swift bough]

Perhaps not, but „how’s your mom“ is fine 😅

[long whale]

It may be normal in English. But I can't help it, in German, I find that weird. Sounds like Kindergarten to me. 🤷

In general, I mean, referring to other grown-ups' relatives by some generic pet name.

[swift bough]

But if you want to ask how their relative is doing is that weird?

[long whale]

No, of course not, but what's wrong with saying "Wie geht es deiner Mutter/Großmutter?"

[swift bough]

How is Opa a pet name though

Isn’t it a synonym to Großvater

[long whale]

It's like... Grandad, or something.

[swift bough]

I mean is it really to the same extreme of saying mommy instead of mom?

[long whale]

Totally.

[swift bough]

TIL

[long whale]

I mean, Opa is the male counterpart of Oma. And that's definitely "granny" as opposed to grandmother. 🤷

[swift bough]

But in German it doesn’t sound cute imo

But granny does

😂

[long whale]

Yeah, exactly. Same for Opa. It's totally lacking in respect. 🤷

[wise pendant]

It's the same relation with all these words
Mutter - Mama
Vater - Papa
Großvater - Opa
Großmutter - Oma

That's because Opa comes from Opapa and Oma from Omama, the equivalents to Mama and Papa

[swift bough]

Yeah, I think because we also have mama and papa in English I also would have found it weird to say „how is your mama/papa“

[long whale]

(Let me tell you, I plan on getting a stout walking stick, for the express purpose of whacking people who call me "Oma" without being my non-existent grandchildren.)

[swift bough]

[wise pendant]

Opa is just familiar language, that could be used with kids, too. But if you are not a kid and you don't talk about your own dear grandfather you never say Opa.

[swift bough]

I think in English for some people it’s not at all weird to say granddad or grandma to refer to other people‘s grandparents, but for most people it’s definitely weird to say mama or papa to refer to other‘s parents

[wise pendant]

It's like Pops for grandfather in english

or was it poppop

[swift bough]

Yeah that bridges a bit more on weird

[olive kiln]

Is there a difference between Bibliothek und Bücherei?

[royal wyvern]

I think the same as in english

[proven sphinx]

They're synonyms, but "Bibliothek" may be more common nowadays, I think.

[night dagger]

Bücherei ist kleiner, glaub ich.

[proven sphinx]

Duden sagt eine Bücherei ist eine "kleine, öffentliche Bibliothek".

[unique dune]

wow ich hab bis jetzt gedacht dass es da nen unterschied gibt den ich nur nicht kenn

[royal wyvern]

Hm, I was thinking Bibliothek might be a place one may rent out books and bring them back, or come for free study, whereas a Bücherei was more just a place you come and buy books permanantly

[olive kiln]

Interessant

[proven sphinx]

Vielleicht ist das nur ein regionaler Unterschied, aber hier in der Schweiz habe ich noch nie eine "Bücherei" gesehen, sondern nur Bibliotheken.

[unique dune]

ich denk bei bibliotheken immer an sowas wie in der uni

und büchereien als so n öffentliches ding

aber ist ja nicht so

[proven sphinx]

In der Primarschule gingen wir oft zur Dorfbibliothek. Die war recht klein.

Ich kann mir fast nicht vorstellen, dass eine Primarlehrerin in Deutschland zu ihren Schülern sagt: "Also, Kinder. Heute gehen wir in die Bücherei!", aber vielleicht sagen die das tatsächlich. 😂

[unique dune]

joa schon

[proven sphinx]

Dachte ich mir doch.

Gibt es also in Deutschland "Dorfbüchereien" statt Dorfbibliotheken?

[unique dune]

das weiß ich nicht

hab beides vorher noch nie gehört

[proven sphinx]

No, if you buy books, then it's a bookshop. In German, that's called "Bücherladen".

[proven sphinx]

Haben Dörfer in Deutschland denn weder Büchereien noch Bibliotheken? 😂

[night dagger]

ja ich kenne Leute, die aus Baden Württemberg kommen und sagen, dass die Übersetzung von "Library" "Bücherei" ist. ich dachte, es war halt "Bibliothek", deswegen hab ich es vor 2 Monaten nachgeschlagen.

[unique dune]

ich wohn nicht in nem dorf dementsprechend hab ich noch nie gehört wie jemand drüber gesprochen hat

[proven sphinx]

Verstehe.

[royal wyvern]

AaaHHH that's the word I was thinking of!

Oops

[proven sphinx]

Es ist schon interessant, dass wenn ich nach "Bücherei" suche, ich eigentlich nur Resultate aus Österreich oder Deutschland bekomme. Offenbar verwendet man in der Schweiz tatsächlich fast ausschließlich das Wort "Bibliothek" dazu. Da habe ich mal wieder etwas gelernt...

[night dagger]

wow

Duolingo hatte mir "Bibliothek" beigebracht lol

komisch

[proven sphinx]

Dieses Wort wird in den allermeisten europäischen Sprachen gebraucht. Englisch ist hier wieder einmal die Ausnahme.

la bibliothèque, la biblioteca usw.

[night dagger]

ah, ja macht Sinn

[proven sphinx]

Mich würde es also nicht wundern, wenn der französische Einfluss etwas damit zu tun hat, dass "Bibliothek" in der Schweiz so dominant gegenüber "Bücherei" ist.

[night dagger]

Deutsch (in DE) ist auch hier ne Ausnahme, wegen "Bücherei" lol.

[proven sphinx]

"Bibliothek" gibt es aber trotzdem als Wort und es wird von jedem verstanden. Auf Englisch gibt es aber das Wort einfach in keiner Form.

[night dagger]

klar

[olive kiln]

Anyway you can thank Peppa Pig for this question they were using it in an episode about going to the library lol

[proven sphinx]

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bibliotheca#Latin

Das Wort wird eigentlich in sehr vielen Sprachen benutzt. Da gibt es eine Liste.

Englisch ist also wirklich die große Ausnahme hier.

Und das Lustige ist, dass das Wort "library" mit dem Wort "livrairie, livraria, libreria" und anderen ähnlichen Worten in den romanischen Sprachen verwandt ist, aber in den romanischen Sprachen heißt das immer "Bücherladen" und nicht "Bibliothek" 😂

[night dagger]

lol

perfekt

[cedar dome]

Im letzten Sommer (habe - hatte) ich einen Job gesucht

Die Antwort ist habe, aber warum benutze ich nicht hatte?

[night dagger]

bitte vermeide Cross-Posting @cedar dome

[cedar dome]

Klar 🙏

[proven sphinx]

Please don't post the same question in two channels.

Okay, thank you.

[cedar dome]

I have deleted it

[cedar dome]

Np, sorry didn't know about that but just wanted to know the answer quickly

[proven sphinx]

Man benutzt hier das Perfekt, weil das Plusquamperfekt nur dann benutzt wird, wenn es vor etwas anderem in der Vergangenheit passiert.

Ich hatte letztes Jahr einen Job gesucht, bevor ich meine aktuelle Stelle fand.

So würde es gehen.

Plusquamperfekt + Präteritum/Perfekt

Aber das Plusquamperfekt benutzt man praktisch nie allein.

[night dagger]

ich kenne diese Regel, die lebt in meim Kopf lol, aber irgendwie mache ich trotzdem jeden Tag diesen Fehler. vielleicht sollte ich das vermeiden.

[cedar dome]

Dankeschön ich hab verstanden ❤

Eine andere Frage

[proven sphinx]

Mit was für Sätzen machst du denn diesen Fehler?

[cedar dome]

Wenn jemand fragt mich: "wann hast du ... gemacht?"
Und Ich möchte mit einem Jahr antworten, sage ich "in 2010" oder nur "2010"?

[proven sphinx]

"In 2010" ist ein Anglizismus, der vermieden werden sollte. Auf Deutsch sagt man einfach das Jahr, also "2010".

Ich war 2010 in Paris.

2010 war ich noch in der Schule.

usw.

[cedar dome]

Vielen vielen Dank 🙏

[night dagger]

vielleicht ist es kein Fehler, ich meine, niemand korrigiert mich. z.B. vielleicht fragt jemand: "was hast du am Wochenende gemacht?" ich würde vielleicht antworten: "ich hatte ne neue Jacke gekauft. und was sonst.. hmmm.. oh, ich hatte nen neuen Film geguckt."

[proven sphinx]

You can also say "im Jahre 2010". That's also acceptable.

[proven sphinx]

Ja, das ist definitiv ein Fehler. Wahrscheinlich will dich einfach niemand korrigieren. 😅

[night dagger]

lmao

nie wieder.

[proven sphinx]

Du solltest da das Perfekt benutzen.

[night dagger]

na klar

[proven sphinx]

Was hast du am Wochenende gemacht?
Ich habe eine neue Jacke gekauft und einen neuen Film geguckt.

[cedar dome]

Und welche ist besser ich hab einen Film geguckt oder angeschaut oder geschaut?

[proven sphinx]

Es geht wirklich alles.

[night dagger]

dieses Gespräch wird helfen auf jeden Fall lol. statt "hatte", wird dieses Gespräch in meinem Kopf leben ;)

[proven sphinx]

"geguckt" ist einfach recht umgangssprachlich.

Ich habe einen neuen Film geschaut/angeschaut/geguckt/gesehen.

[night dagger]

gesehen

[proven sphinx]

Es ist alles möglich. Sie sind Synonyme.

[proven sphinx]

Ja, das natürlich auch.

[night dagger]

ich glaub, das ist alles lol, was Optionen angeht.

[proven sphinx]

Aber für "What are you watching?" würde ich eher "Was schaust du dir an?" sagen.

"Was schaust/guckst du?" klingt eher wie "Wieso schaust du mich so dumm an?". 😂

[night dagger]

lol

"was guckst du gerne?" passt aber für Filme, Serien, usw

[proven sphinx]

Ja, stimmt.

Es gibt auch, soweit ich weiß, einen kleinen regionalen Unterschied, wobei "gucken" öfter im Norden vorkommt und "schauen" öfter im Süden.

[royal wyvern]

'Ich kann nicht gut Deutsch sprechen' - 'Ich kann gut Deutsch nicht sprechen' Welcher Satz klingt euch besser?

[upper ember]

Der Erste. Siehe auch... Mein Deutsch ist noch nicht so gut :P

[royal wyvern]

Ist die zweite falsch oder nur komisch? ^^"

[upper ember]

Da wird gut adjektiv benutzt, glaube ich, weswegen man gutes sagen müsste. Vielleicht "gutes Deutsch spreche ich nicht" o.O

[mellow nova]

It sounds weird to me yeah. It's like 'I don't speak good German [but rather bad German]'

but it would have to be gutes yep

[royal wyvern]

I see ^^"

[mellow nova]

Also 'kann sprechen' sounds bad in general

Either just 'Ich spreche' or 'Ich kann' is usually better ^^

[royal wyvern]

I was right to question myself then, I waned to see if I embarrassed myself at the airport taking to natives, haha

[mellow nova]

kann sprechen is like ok, you can speak it, but can you not write it as well?

[royal wyvern]

Hmm interesting

Thanks for the help!

[ancient pulsar]

Why cant we say
Ich habe ihm schwimmen helfen for i have helped him swim

[violet ore]

Because "ich habe ihm schwimmen helfen" is grammatically not correct. "I have helped him swim" is the past so you need the past in german too. Means the sentence would be "ich habe ihm beim schwimmen geholfen". "helfen (help)" is the present and "geholfen (helped)" is the past. (Hope it helped a little bit) 😊

[kind knoll]

Don’t forgot to capitalize Schwimmen because of Verb Normalisierung

[fervent kernel]

Hi can someone explain to me what Bestand means in this context? I though it means "portfolio, inventory, stock" but i dont understand this sentence altogether lol : Die Europameisterschaft löst aktuell so einige Fußballweisheiten auf, die eigentlich über Jahrzehnte Bestand hatten.

[wise pendant]

"Bestand haben" is the same as "bestehen"

[fervent kernel]

Ohhh thankyou! can i ask, in this sentence there isnt "haben". what does Bestand mean here: Bestand ist auch das nach über 60 Jahren auch kein Mythos mehr – da konnte selbst Weltmeister Frankreich nichts ausrichten.

[wise pendant]

That sentence seems weird

[rough furnace]

Did I make any mistakes ?

[wise pendant]

Please don't ask your questions in multiple channels ad once

[rough furnace]

Okay

[fervent kernel]

Right? Its from an article on the EM but I just cant fully understand that sentence lol

[wise pendant]

I neither

[fervent kernel]

Oh ok ty though! x

[ancient pulsar]

yh i see, i thought one could make a double infinitive sentence, where it doesn't change into participle but stays infinitive
like, Ich habe ihn singen hören.

tho one can also say gehört

or to make it better
Ich habe ihn singen lassen.

[long whale]

Yes, you can, but this is restricted to very few verbs, chiefly lassen, sehen, hören. That's why only "Ich habe ihm geholfen zu schwimmen" would be correct, grammar-wise. The more idiomatic version of this particular sentence would be "Ich habe ihm beim Schwimmen geholfen", though - as indicated in the first answer you got. :)

[ancient pulsar]

in addition to those words helfen was also mentioned in my book

like, Er hat ihm das Auto reparieren helfen. maybe

or** Wir werden den Kindern zeichnen helfen.**
instead of
Wir werden den Kindern beim Zeichnen helfen.

[ancient pulsar]

btw, just to make clear, you can put a comma after geholfen, zu... right?

[autumn marsh]

unless you copied it wrong (which I do not assume), that sentence is simply wrong

[pure walrus]

Do germans say "Lastwagen" for truck?

[brittle acorn]

yep

or "LKW" which is short for "Lastkraftwagen"

[flat ivy]

"Ich kenne einen Investor, den ich mal anrufen und fragen kann."
Can someone explain the usage and meaning of mal here

[wise pendant]

Modalpartikel:

wohl - Vermutung

• Da hast du wohl recht. => I guess you're right.

ja - Bekannte Tatsache

• Wie du ja weißt, ist zu viel Zucker ungesund für dich. => As you already know, too much sugar is bad for you.

doch - Widerspruch

• Ich habe doch die ganz Zeit gewusst, dass ich Recht habe. => I always knew I was right.

mal/eben/ mal eben - Erhöhte Höflichkeit [in Fragen]

• Kannst du da mal eben für mich nachfragen? => Could you please inquire that for me?

mal - Ergreifung einer Gelegenheit [in Aussagen]

• Ich gehe mal die Hausaufgaben machen. => I'm gonna do my homework. (There is nothing else to do)

nämlich - Grund / Erklärung

• Die kaufen uns nämlich alles weg! => Because they are buying it all from us.

eigentlich - Unsichere Tatsache (Es wird ein "aber" danach erwartet) [in Aussagen]

• Sprachen lernen ist eigentlich ganz einfach. => It's actually quite easy to learn languages

eigentlich - Allgemeine höfliche Verstärkung (Signalisiert Interesse) [in Fragen]

• Was hast du eigentlich gestern gemacht? => Tell me what did you do yesterday?

eben/halt/eben halt - Sichere Tatsache

• Die Welt ist eben/halt unfair. => The world is unfair, you know.

denn - Scheinbar unbekannte Sache [nur in Fragen]
(Der Sprecher ist verwundert, das es nicht bekannt war)

• Willst du das denn gar nicht essen? => Don't you want to eat?

denn - Generelle Verstärkung der Frage // Hartnäckiges Hinterfragen [nur in Fragem]

• Was willst du denn machen? => What are you going to do?

eh - Erwartung das etwas auf jeden Fall/ohne Frage passiert/so ist

• Das hab ich eh nie verstanden. => I never understood that anyways.

ja/aber - Überraschung

• Das freut mich aber, dass du wieder gesund bist. => I'm glad to hear, you are back up again.

bloß/ja/nur - Warnung (Es wird ein "sonst" erwartet.) [in Aussagen]

• Hör bloß damit auf! Lass das ja sein! => Stop that!

bloß/nur - Vorahnung von etwas Schlechtem [in Fragen]

• Was hat er bloß/nur getan? => What did he do (to deserve that)?

ruhig/schon - Ermunterung

• Kopf hoch, das wird schon wieder! => Chin high, it's gonna get better.

vielleicht - Verärgerung (selten)

• Das ist vielleicht eine Zumutung. => That's an imposition!

[flat ivy]

Thanks. You see I am trying to learn by myself by watching and reading so without human interaction it is pretty hard to get it 😄

[wise pendant]

This is the relevant entry

[flat ivy]

would you further explain the example I gave

I still can't see what "mal" adds to that sentence

[celest pollen]

CHECK CHECK✅ ❌

Ich habe nicht begrenzt Schuhe im NewBalance gekaufen, weil mich der Wachmann wegstoßen

Morgen musse ich früh aufstehen, damit ich Schuhe in Wrocław kaufen

Ich fahre nach Wrocław, und ich möchte Schuhe kaufen

[proven sphinx]

You should be careful about verb conjugations. Don't forget that the Perfekt requires two verbs (haben/sein + Partizip II).

"kaufen" is a perfectly regular verb, so the Partizip II is "gekauft", not "gekaufen"
It's "ich muss", not "ich musse".

The second sentence is somewhat weird, even if you do conjugate the verbs properly. I'd rather say "Morgen muss ich früh aufstehen, um Schuhe in Wrocław zu kaufen". It works better than with "damit".

Also, what is "begrenzt Schuhe" in the first sentence even supposed to mean?

[mellow nova]

do (most) europeans understand how to pronounce foreign-language cities like that?

i would have no clue how to say Wrocław

[mellow nova]

probably like limited-time-offer

[proven sphinx]

Most Germans would pronounce that as "Wrotzlaf", but it's actually more correctly "Vrotswaf" if written in English.

[mellow nova]

oh wow I was more wrong than initially expected

[proven sphinx]

I can't speak Polish, but I at least know how to read it, more or less. 😂

The German name is "Breslau" anyway.

[fervent kernel]

"Obwohl ich habe schwimmen einmal pro Woche gegangen bin, [insert end of sentence here]"

Should the "habe" in this phrase be there?

[proven sphinx]

"habe" is the least of this sentence's problems, I'm afraid. 😅

Obwohl ich einmal pro Woche schwimmen gegangen bin, ...

[fervent kernel]

Yeah, it's the start of the sentence

[proven sphinx]

So, no. No "haben" here.

[fervent kernel]

Excellent - thanks.

[proven sphinx]

You choose either "sein" or "haben" as an auxiliary verb for the Perfekt, but never both.

Ich bin gegangen vs ich habe gesehen

[narrow pier]

How can you say ( in a A1 email) I can't attend the appointment,

[wintry geode]

How formal does it have to be

[kind knoll]

ich kann nicht an der Sitzung teilnehmen

[near folio]

sehr cool, hast du die Liste selber erstellt?

[wise pendant]

Yep

[kind knoll]

it should be pinned tbh

[proven sphinx]

It could also be added to Bottfried's FAQ inventory.

[near folio]

Man könnte eine FAQ daraus machen.

Raven hat sich eben freiwillig gemeldet.

[proven sphinx]

LOL

[near folio]

@wise pendant btw, Chin high --> Chin up

[celest pollen]

limited ediotion schuhe
that's what the translator said

[wise pendant]

Oh ja