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[plush pelican]

You can even move verbs from the rechte Satzklammer (verbs at the end of the sentence) into position 1:

Ich habe heute mit ihm gespielt.

Gespielt habe ich heute mit ihm.

But not conjugated verbs from position 2

The exception to this is a colloquial way of speaking, I believe, where you put the verb "tun" into position 2 and conjugate it, and then put the verb that had been in position 2 into position 1.

Ich schwimme heute.

Schwimmen tue ich heute.

[vernal ermine]

But for unconjugated verb, how we do topikalisierung? @plush pelican

[plush pelican]

I think I already answered this question with the "gespielt" example

[vernal ermine]

But that is in partizip 2

[plush pelican]

partizip 2 isn't conjugated

but I take it you're asking for how to do it with a verb in infinitive form?

"spielen"?

It's the same idea:

Ich kann heute mit ihm spielen.

Spielen kann ich heute mit ihm.

[vernal ermine]

@plush pelican Vielen Dank ❤ . Now I understand but I have some doubts regarding this topic.

[plush pelican]

Which doubts?

Btw, a better English sentence would be, "I still have some questions regarding this topic"

[vernal ermine]

I have to learn further this topic and will ask you bro. I got the basic idea now. Thanks bro ❤

[pine grove]

Hallo

Goten morgen

[rugged chasm]

Ich suche jemanden, der beabsichtigt, sein Studium an der TU Berlin, TU Darmstadt oder einer anderen renommierten Universität durch das Studienkolleg zu verfolgen.

im looking for a person who is aiming to study in tu berlin, darmstadt or any reputated uni through studienkolleg

[upbeat thicket]

You can say both, although in "Pizza isst man in Italien" the Pizza part is stressed.

So in German, the part at the start of a sentence is stressed and because of the existing case system you can switch the individual parts of a sentence quite freely

[long whale]

-> #1033125270217048246

[jade hawk]

I love saying "it's a whole new era" in english; tried translating it in my head, then checked with DeepL
Es ist eine ganz neue Ära - Why is ganz not declined to ganze? Is it because it's an adverb or something here?

[long whale]

Yes, "ganz" modifies "neu/e", not the era. (Think of saying "the X is wholly/completely new")

[jade hawk]

Alright ty

[leaden cobalt]

with the verb "möchten" is it only used in the present tense?

im making anki cards but i cant find the imperfect or perfect past tense for it and its confusing me

[long whale]

Basically, "möchten" is a special form (Konjunktiv II) of the verb "mögen", but which has kind of taken on a life of its own. That is the reason it seems to exist only in the present tense.

[leaden cobalt]

ohhhhhh

that makes sense

VERY STRANGE bt when is german without exceptions

thank u very much

[long whale]

You're very welcome. - I guess it's one of those cases which are confusing whichever way you go about teaching them. 🤷 Congratulations if you managed to make sense of my attempt to explain it. 🧁

[tame atlas]

think of it like the english "would like"

that's exactly what "möchten" is

the Konjunktiv is basically like adding "would" in english

just that usually Konjunktiv forms don't really have an infinitive I believe

but this one does since it's so common

[marsh pendant]

Ich suche auch

[balmy geyser]

Abfahrt!!!

[acoustic breach]

The Infinitiv would be "mögen"

All verbs have their Infinitiv

Könnten -> können
Würden -> werden
Etc

[tame atlas]

I meant the fact that "möchten" is its own infinitive

afaik

[acoustic breach]

In grammtical terms, it's not called the infinitiv

Möchten would be the conjugation of the verb "mögen" for 3rd person plural in Konjunktiv 2

[tame atlas]

I see

[acoustic breach]

I just knew that "gestorben" is also an Adjektiv but how would it be used?

If I say: Der Mann ist gestorben, would it be the Perfekt (he died/er starb) or would mean the state of being dead (er ist tot)?

[tame atlas]

it would at the very least always be interpreted by native speakers as the Perfekt

[acoustic breach]

I checked Wiktionary and the sentences are usually "die gestorbene Prinzessin..."

Is it usually used like that?

[tame atlas]

yeah that's how you would use it

imo it mainly just sounds a lot nicer than "die tote Prinzessin"

[acoustic breach]

Thank you @tame atlas !

[fervent kernel]

I'm kind of confused as to how I can ask this question clearly, so bear with me please, but let's say I want to say, no matter how silly it sounds, something along the lines of: "Bevor es damit begonnen wird*, auf die oben erwähnten Fragen zu antworten [...]". Do I have the make the Finalsatz also passiv?

So: "[...] auf die oben erwähnten Fragen antwortet zu werden [...]"?

Or something alike.

[south zenith]

'begonnen zu werden' just sounds so odd to me and throws me off of the flow of the sentence

[fervent kernel]

Oh right!

"Bevor es damit begonnen wird" should be the correct thing.

My bad.

[south zenith]

it still sounds wrong because then whats the subject thats doing the answering

es?

'before it begins to answer the questions mentioned above'?

[fervent kernel]

Well, "before one begins to answer the questions mentioned above" I suppose.

But I wanna do it with the werden + Partizip II

That's the whole point of the passiv, no? The subject doesn't matter.

[south zenith]

but does the infinitivsatz afterwards work without a subject?

[fervent kernel]

Yea, that I have no idea about.

[south zenith]

using passive id say something like
'Bevor die oben erwähnten Fragen beantwortet werden'

[fervent kernel]

But then I'm not saying "before it's begun to answer the bla bla"

[south zenith]

hmmm, might need a native speaker then, its so nuanced that i cant answer with certainty tbh

'bevor es [damit] begonnen wird, dass die [...] Fragen beantwortet werden'?

[fervent kernel]

That sounds good but I dunno if it's right.

[south zenith]

im not sure either, but having an infinifive clause without an aforementioned subject just sounds so strange to me

admittedly really going off my intuition/sprachgefühl here

[fervent kernel]

Understandable really, I'm doing the same...

I'll give you a tag once I receive an answer though, dun worry.

[south zenith]

yea im kinda interested what a native would have to say tbh

[tame atlas]

this sentence sounds correct to me

maybe without the "es"?

Bevor damit begonnen wird

[south zenith]

it does?

[tame atlas]

but I think it's still correct with "es"

[south zenith]

that sounds sooo weird to me, but im not the native speaker so

[tame atlas]

I would actually just say "bevor begonnen wird, auf die oben erwähnten Fragen zu antworten"

but the original works too

[fervent kernel]

Sounds like you were faster to see the answer, so...

[steel patrol]

I’m confused by “heran” here in the first clause. What does it do / how do you use it?

[south zenith]

Separable verb Heranwachsen

[steel patrol]

I don’t think I know “heranwachsen”… How is it different from just aufwachsen?

[fervent kernel]

imo, the heran is emphasizing the direction of the growth, namely forward to this period of time

[leaden cobalt]

is there any way to know when I should use "machen"? I can't wrap my head around it

[steel patrol]

Interesting. Maybe it’s just one of those words I’ll need to look out for in the future, cause when I look up example sentences from various sources containing it on DWDS, I only end up more confused. Not sure what’s up with that

[jade hawk]

What prepositions should I use with sick? As in sick with [illness] Krank an? Krank mit? Krank vor? I've seen all three versions.

[tame atlas]

"krank mit" im pretty sure

[south zenith]

ive seen an etwas erkrankt

[jade hawk]

Very well

[tame atlas]

well most often I just see "has [illness]" tbh

lol

[jade hawk]

Yeah but knowing a different way of saying something doesn't hurt

In any case, thanks

[granite spade]

"Können Sie mir über den Inhalt des Kurses beraten?" is that a reasonable use of beraten?

Would "Können Sie mir etwas zum Inhalt des Kurses sagen?" be better

[verbal girder]

so.... uhhh why does gruselig work both with für preposition (yellow) but also with a dative(oranj)?

works with any adjective?

[verbal girder]

maybe it's a free dative

[undone verge]

it's like that with a lot of things

often, für X and X (dative) can be used interchangeably

[verbal girder]

found this but the paragraph is not very conclusive
but thanks hallo for the input

[plush pelican]

Frustratingly, what I've seen is that sometimes, you can use either, but not all of the time, but also there's not a super clear rule for how to tell what's allowed. 😵‍💫

[lament merlin]

https://gyazo.com/cf089d88ed75507f855c8979d854ec4b i chose Guten Abend, this says i got it wrong. Am i correct?

[south zenith]

Abend is evening

[lament merlin]

thats what im saying but my german test said the asnwer was "Guten Tag"

[south zenith]

it asked which one means good afternoon, not good evening

[lament merlin]

are those not the same

[south zenith]

no

abend is between afternoon and night

[lament merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-gif-24664106

[long whale]

Might have to think about it for a little longer, but I feel we usually use "aufwachsen" to refer to the specific circumstances of someone's childhood: Er ist in München aufgewachsen. Sie wuchs bei ihren Großeltern auf, while "heranwachsen" is more about reaching a certain state, kind of like "to ripen": Das Küken wuchs zu einem stattlichen Vogel heran.

[steel patrol]

I think I’ll still have to come across this word (and attempt to use it myself) at least a few more times, but I have a better idea of the meaning now. As always, your explanations are splendid. Thank you!

[crude tusk]

is "hätte gern" the formal form of "möchte"?

[delicate tiger]

it's more polite when asking for something

[crude tusk]

danke liebe

[opaque jewel]

Is it like "I would have"?

[tame atlas]

more like I would like to have

because of the "gern"

[opaque jewel]

Ohhhh, got it!

It's just that "ich hätte gern" doesn't really have a perfect translation in French

[rapid crest]

hi i saw the word bitte and i see they use it in alot of like words it kinda got me confused

[long whale]

It can be used in different kinds of context -> its English translation will change. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-fHDIK9cemA/maxresdefault.jpg

[rapid crest]

thats all its use?

danke haha

[signal finch]

how do i ask myself in relativsatze what do i need to replace with dessen, derren, dessen etc?

[scarlet stirrup]

haben sie ein Paar Tips für dsd2 (c1) prüfung

[neat badge]

Whats the Artikel of the objekt that we r referring to, and in genetiv, so if the objekt artikel ist der→des→dessen

Someone correct me if im wrong

[outer edge]

why is it "der ersten" Etage?

[whole portal]

Dativ Femininum

[delicate tiger]

please ask only in one channel

[hushed dawn]

eine Tasse vs ein Becher ?

[long whale]

https://tenor.com/view/coffee-cup-of-coffee-mug-cup-steaming-gif-16378332

^ Tasse (usually has that little plate, called die Untertasse to go with it)

https://tenor.com/view/okay-bears-okay-bear-good-morning-coffee-coffee-cup-gif-26453753

^ Becher (might have a handle, might not)

[hushed dawn]

so it doesn't have anything to do with the material its made of right ?

[coral drift]

Not really

[hushed dawn]

Thanks a lot

[iron rune]

why is the zu clause "anzutreffen" conjugated like an adjective?

[long whale]

You know how you can use participles as adjectives? Works both in German and in English: the written letters = die geschriebenen Briefe (past participle/Partizip 2), resp. die schreibenden Schüler = the writing students (i.e. the students who are writing) (gerund/-ing form/Partizip 1). What you've got here is what is called Gerundiv/Gerundivum in German ([separable prefix] + zu + Partizip 1), and it's an adjective with a passive meaning: die [am häufigsten] anzutreffenden Slimes = the slimes to be met [most frequently] Does that help?

[iron rune]

finally, a name to what this is! Now I can actually google it and find results. Thanks so much!

also it's very interesting that you can use an adjective to imply an action, I don't think english has that

[long whale]

Frankly, I feel we don't use those too often in real life. Those adjectives are most often used in official communication (Beamtendeutsch ~ clerks' German). In real life, we'd just use a relative clause: die Slimes, die man am häufigsten sieht (... you see most often), possibly with some kind of Ersatzpassiv: die Slimes, die am häufigsten zu sehen sind (to be seen most often)

[iron rune]

is it okay if, while you're here, I ask what an Ersatzpassiv is?

[iron rune]

thanks again, very well explained

[long whale]

Just like English, German also has various ways of making a sentence passive (it's just that we've got even more, I'm afraid). The "real" passive is the one which works like this: die Pizza wird/wurde gegessen = the pizza is/was being eaten. But then, you get things like "He's having his hair cut", "He's getting his car repaired", right? Those are also passive in meaning, since the guy isn't doing things himself, he's having other people do them for him. A very common form of Ersatzpassiv in German uses "lassen": Er lässt sich die Haare (von seiner Schwester) schneiden = He's having/getting his hair cut (by his sister)

[iron rune]

I think I see, in the sentence "die Slimes, die am häufigsten zu sehen sind" the slimes are being seen, but it's not stated by whom.

I'm rusty on what passive/active is in english. Thanks for the refresher! Jetzt, ich werde gehe und studiere die Gerundiv auf deutsch, und zu mit infinitiv auf deutsch (hope that sentance isnt too broke lol)

[long whale]

*Jetzt gehe ich und... ;)

[iron rune]

danke ^^

[flint shale]

@iron rune your screenshot triggered my curiosity, what are your reading that has Slimeologie? 😄

[iron rune]

the slimapedia, of course! ^^

[flint shale]

ohhhh it's from Slime Rancher ahahaha lol ... super geil!

[iron rune]

Ich denke, Slime rancher ist ein gutes Spiel um deutsch zu lernen, weil es viele Adjektiv oft benuntzen und Comparativ/Superlativ auch.

[flint shale]

Hmm interessant, vielleicht möchtest du auch die Spiele von Daedelic. Das ist ein Deutschen gamestudio und hatten die Deponia Spiele gemacht. Sie haben jetzt 90% Rabatt https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/2268/Daedalic_Artist_Selection_Bundle/

Ich habe selbst die Armageddon Bundle gekauft

[iron rune]

Weißt du, ob es ein gutes spiel um deutsch zu lernen ist?

[flint shale]

Replying in English because I haven't learned words related to 'advice' or 'recommendation'. The Deponia games are fairly recommended actually, because both the audio and the subtitles are in German. These are point and click so you have time to think, analyze the language, etc etc. and they are storytelling games. As a player, you become part of the story.

[iron rune]

audio? In german? gee, I´m sold!

[flint shale]

I had these on my wishlist for a while and today I saw the sale, the bundle I have are 11 games for 9 Euro

[iron rune]

ok, ich habe das Bundle gekauft. Welches ist das erste Spiel?

[flint shale]

Which bundle, the one I linked or the same one I bought?

[iron rune]

The one you linked

[noble plank]

hallo, es ist eine einfache frage aber warum schreibt wir "es"?

[long whale]

The verb is "etwas (Akk) einsehen" -> the verb requires some sort of object. Just as in "Andrea just totally doesn't accept it", the sentence doesn't work without the es/it. And the others are Genitiv pronouns, resp. article -> wrong case.

[noble plank]

ahh okay, thank you so much for the help <33

[flint shale]

Those are all separate stories but I would start with Deponia, the main recommended title/series.

[fervent kernel]

Can I use Konj I for anything übertrieben? I came across two sentences, namely: "Es lässt sich aus verschiedenen Studien Schluss ziehen, dass abcmedikamente hochwirksam sind." and "Der Wissenschaftler legt Beweise vor, dass seine Theorie richtig ist." and was wondering why not use seien und sei respectively.

Or have I understood Konjunktiv 1 wrong?

[long whale]

Mm... I'd say you understood it wrong. K1 is used in very formal context (news, court reports) for reported speech, i.e. to make it clear who said what.

[tender echo]

"Es lässt sich aus verschiedenen Studien Schluss ziehen, dass abcmedikamente hochwirksam seien." but this is allowed right?

[long whale]

-> Der Wissenschaftler behauptet/sagt/erklärt, dass seine Theorie richtig sei.

[long whale]

Not to my knowledge, no.

*der Schluss ziehen

[fervent kernel]

Cool stuff, thanks!

[charred harbor]

schreibt man
schreibt ihr
schreiben wir

[blissful wigeon]

"Dieser herr, dieses haus ihm gehört,ist ein weltberühmter schriftsteller"Is this relativsatz correct or not?

[delicate tiger]

upper case not optional, middle part between commas needs a rework

[native summit]

guys i can write "im Streß" instead of "im Stress"?

[south zenith]

no

ß can be written as 'ss' when ß isnt an option, but words that by default are 'ss' cant be made to ß

[native summit]

got it, thank u so much

[south zenith]

ill mention it just in case youre not aware but you might see things like Waßer/müßen in older texts because there was a spelling reform in the 90s that changes some words to 'ss'

doesnt mean its correct to do today

[long whale]

Even before the reform, Waßer would have been incorrect. ;)

(Spelling was just a little different then. This doesn't mean it was possible to just spell ss as ß whenever you felt like it.)

[long whale]

ß shows the preceding vowel is long, that's why ss and ß are not interchangeable. 🧁

[native summit]

thx u so much

[sturdy pulsar]

Is hallöchen something people actually say?

Just wondering lol

[daring fern]

Yes

[sturdy pulsar]

Hurray

[long whale]

Yes, but... 👀

[daring fern]

it's informal,
I would NOT write:
Hallöchen Damen und Herren,

[sturdy pulsar]

Yesss I thought thought maybe it was like outdated or something

I saw it in a funny video once lol

[daring fern]

It's like the cute!? (verniedlichte) Form of "Hallo"

[sturdy pulsar]

Hallöchen popöchen

Lolllll

I just looked that up

[daring fern]

Yes, in this combination it's used most of the time

[sturdy pulsar]

Hurray! This is some amazing knowledge

Is there a good bye version of this lol

[daring fern]

Idk, sometimes I hear like "Tschüssilein"

[daring fern]

But there are much better ones

Tschau Kakao
Bis Spatersilie
usw.

Tschüss mit üss

There are so many

[sturdy pulsar]

Lolll thank you I’ll be saving these to tell my German friends

[daring fern]

Bis denne Antenne
Bundesgartenciao
Tschüsli Müsli

[sturdy pulsar]

Those sound good as well ^-^

I like the tschüsli Müsli lol

[earnest night]

Tschüsseldorf

[outer edge]

hi can someone help me with this sentence please:
Entschuldigung, Wo Geht es zum Schloss?
I don't understand the way the question is made
Wouldn't it mean something like where does the castle go?

[delicate tiger]

"where does it go to the castle"

[outer edge]

is that a common way to ask how to go to a certain place?

[pure crescent]

I would say that it's common. "wo geht's zum Bahnhof" "wo geht's zum Klo" "wo gehts zum nächsten Aldi"... but i'd never say it like that personally. "Wo ist der Bahnhof?/das Klo?/der nächste Aldi?" I would either say, or "können Sie mir den Weg zum Bahnhof beschreiben?".

[charred harbor]

I have a question for myself, actually
How would you determine the article of for example store chains that wouldn’t be listed in the dictionary?

[long whale]

Not nova, but I think it's always masculine if you're talking about 1 store, and if you're talking about the whole chain, it's usually "die X-Kette" (at least in the news), or "die X-Läden, die X-Geschäfte" in speaking.

[pure crescent]

Sometimes, I would also say "zu" for going to the store, which afaik is used independently of gender. "Ich gehe zu Karstadt" works just as well as "Ich gehe zum Karstadt".

[steel patrol]

Is “die Kneipentour” an accurate/idiomatic term for “pub crawl”?

[delicate tiger]

It's ok, but the concept of a pub crawl is relatively new in Germany, so often the English term is used (about 6x the results on German Google)

[steel patrol]

Got it, thanks 👍

[long whale]

Not all that new, I'd say... Anyway, would you say "um die Häuser ziehen" isn't used anymore? Or was it just a regional expression to begin with?

[delicate tiger]

"um die Häuser ziehen" ist für mich eher so was wie "mit einem Rucksack voll Bier im Park entspannen und wenns dunkel wird in einer Kneipe versacken", was wenig mit einem "pub crawl" zu tun hat wie ich mir ihn vorstelle

[long whale]

Hmm... So, you feel it's changed its meaning? https://www.dwds.de/wb/um die Häuser ziehen - ?

[vague rain]

hallo! is it wrong to say: Magst du die goldenen Rollschuhe besser? (do you like the golden roller skates better)

or should i say Gefallen dir die goldenen Rollschuhe besser?

[shrewd fern]

with the first one you'd say "mehr" instead of "besser" i think

[vague rain]

ok danke 🙂

[long whale]

Yes, it's wrong: besser lieber

[vague rain]

danke sehr. with gefallen is it wrong to use besser?

[long whale]

Your alternative sentence was correct. ;)

[vague rain]

awesome danke!!! 🙂

[shrewd fern]

wait would mehr also be correct?

or am i wrong on that lol

[long whale]

Sounds pretty off to me. 🤷

[shrewd fern]

tbh same

lieber didnt come to mind...

[long whale]

It's usually: etwas gern/lieber/am liebsten mögen

[long whale]

Yeah, that happens. 🧁

[tulip granite]

Hallo, ich habe dieses Zitat von Heinrich Heine gefunden
"Der Tod trennet nicht, der Tod vereinigt. Das Leben ist's, das uns gewaltsam trennt"
Aber ich verstehe nicht warum er sagt "trennet" und nicht "trennt", und auch was das 's in "ist's" bedeutet?

[long whale]

This 2nd e in "trennet" has become obsolete. ist's = ist es

[tulip granite]

Ah, vielen dank!

[brisk kettle]

what does this word mean in this context

[terse frigate]

a busy road - on the street is a lot going on

[terse frigate]

Autos fahren auf der Straße; and, like already said, if there are many cars driving along the street it´s called stark befahrene Straße

😂

[delicate tiger]

">faq digger" in #botchannel

[plain umbra]

faq digger

[stoic mauve]

Digger / Digga

You might have heard a native say this or otherwise stumbled across it, but are you sure about its meaning and usage in sentences?

Digger, also spelt Digga, is an informal word similar in usage to bro in colloquial English.
It likely comes from the Hamburger-dialect version of the word Dicker, literally fatty; note however that in this case it is closer in meaning to buddy than a comment on a person's build.

• 🇩🇪 | "Was ist los, Digger?"

• 🇬🇧 | "What's up, bro?"

• 🇩🇪 | "Ich hatte viel zu tun, tut mir leid, Digger."

• 🇬🇧 | "I was busy, sorry bro."

• 🇩🇪 | "Klar, Digga."

• 🇬🇧 | "Sure, bro."

• 🇩🇪 | "Willst du einen Film sehen, Digga?"

• 🇬🇧 | "Do you want to watch a film, bro?"

[plain umbra]

@fervent kernel Don't make that joke.

Please read #rules

I'll give you one warning not to make generalisations or reference racial slurs.

[brisk kettle]

what does this word mean here

[long whale]

es gibt ein Video von der Rettungstat -> es gibt ein Video davon (of this/it; literally: there-of)

[pseudo flume]

😦

I cannot get a CEFR role from ⁠頻道與身分組

[long whale]

Huh? What do you mean?

[south zenith]

Asian languages aren’t cefr, they have a different scale

Hsk levels

[hushed dawn]

Frohe Weihnachten

what is the difference between zutreffen auf and zutreffen für

[long whale]

Zero.

[hushed dawn]

thanks

[acoustic breach]

(that's Just Mandarin)

[acoustic breach]

Didnt you get "level C"?

Oh sorry im 13 hours late

[pseudo flume]

Ja,

[lyric python]

guys what is the difference between them?

[celest scroll]

between what exactly? the top one is for a landline number and the bottom is for a cell phone

[lyric python]

oh thankies

[barren jungle]

Wie geht es

[fervent kernel]

You know how there are some "saying"-kinda things in English that are used with prepositions? Like, "I have lost my way in my confusion.". Let's say I want to use this in German, but I'm not at a level to know the "true" way to say it. I can just directly translate "in meiner Verwirrung" but that sounds like it will not work at all, I could alter the meaning in a way that I know "als Folge von meiner Verwirrung" but that's "as a result of my confusion", not "in my confusion", maybe I could even say "während meiner Verwirrung" but that also sounds crooked.

The question is, how do I go about this other than to learn the right ways to express sayings in English, in German?

Would some of the ways above be acceptable when conversating in im Alltag gesprochenen Deutsch?

The example may not work properly, but in that case I'd think there are many more examples that are similar.

[long whale]

"in meiner Verwirrung [fand ich den Ausgang nicht]" is not just acceptable, it's perfectly correct and idiomatic.

How to go about it - you try to read as much as possible (input), whenever you write you don't guess, you check a good dictionary (output). Do this for long enough, and you'll have mastered German. 🤷

[fervent kernel]

Yea I suppose that's the only way...

Thanks anyways.

I could use DeepL right now but I wanna ask one more thing, as an example.

Let's say "at the height of his fame"

[long whale]

Had you been hoping for some kind of magic potion? 🧚‍♀️

[fervent kernel]

"an der Spitze seiner Beliebheit" or something sounds silly, right?

[fervent kernel]

Honestly yea, I have TestDaF in 2 weeks and my butt is on fire for the Ausdruck parts.

But that aside!

[long whale]

Yup. I.e. it doesn't work. Ehh - where's the problem with using a dictionary? https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/englisch-deutsch/height (You'll have to scroll down a little, but it's there.)

[desert sleet]

kann eine Ampel zu rot "wechseln"?

[fervent kernel]

There's no problem of course, I just wanted to ask in this specific instance!

[fervent kernel]

I think so, yes.

[long whale]

It's just that in my experience, if you try to find out for yourself, it tends to stick more than if somebody simply tells you. 🤷

[fervent kernel]

True true.

As in, agreed.

[long whale]

I'd say it's possible, but I feel the more commonly used expression is "auf Rot schalten"

[pure crescent]

I feel like in spoken language it's even more common that it "wird rot"

[vague rain]

hallo, im practicing verbs and im trying to figure out which verbs require mich/dich etc and i cant seem to work it out

im trying to memorize them but if i cant recall, is there a certain dictionary that can help me?

the dictionary ive been using doesnt say whether or not you use mich dich sich

[long whale]

Some verbs, the truly reflexive ones, echte reflexive Verben always require the reflexive, and any good dictionary will show this. Try https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/deutsch-englisch/entschuldigen (there are more bilingual versions if your native language is not English, hope it's in there!) As you can see, the verb exists in different versions, one of them reflexive. See where it says refl at the end of the 1st line for II.?

[plain umbra]

faq dict

[stoic mauve]

What does this word mean?

The best way to understand the meaning of a word is to use a dictionary. Monolingual dictionaries such as dwds.de, de.wiktionary.org and duden.de will often provide the most accurate definitions and examples for a word. If you are not yet comfortable with using a monolingual dictionary, bilingual dictionaries are also an option (dict.cc, dict.leo.org, pons.com).

The key here is to empower yourself to find the answer on your own. Using the many examples provided in dictionaries like DWDS, Wiki and Duden can help you confidently understand the word, and how to use it. If you still have trouble; don't worry! You can use #questions, #questions-2 or the #942470380692590632 to ask someone for further clarification.

[plain umbra]

Here's a list of some of the most popular dictionaries.

Feel free to try them all and see if one suits you the best.

[long whale]

Sometimes, the reflexive is optional. For those, have a look at #1189050621995798578 message and the following posts where I tried to explain about this. 🧁

[vague rain]

ok i found the refl

am i just missing it or does this dictionary not have that? https://www.verbformen.com/

thats the one ive been useing

[vague rain]

vielen dank 🙂

[long whale]

Have a close look at the 1st box, where the verb and its forms appear in really large script. See the last 2 lines in this box? Read those: https://www.verbformen.com/?w=entschuldigen

[vague rain]

ok yes i found it 😄 thank you

this was the second to last line for me in the box (sich+A, acc., mit+D, für+A, bei+D, von+D, wegen+G, wegen+D)

should i have any clue what that means? 😅

[long whale]

Yup, and below that, there's the example: Ich entschuldige mich + translation.

[vague rain]

yep i found that 🙂

[long whale]

Mehh... yeah... that's why I'd rather use Pons which offers useful examples for each of those under the different headings. These abbreviations in verbformen are certainly helpful, provided you already have some idea of how to use this verb.

Like... You can say "I apologize". Or, you could say "I apologized to this person (bei + Dativ)". "I apologized for something/because of something (für + Akkusativ, resp. wegen + Genitiv)"

Does this give you an idea of what those abbreviations are for?

[vague rain]

oh yes it gives me a great idea, but i only know so much German right now

i havent go to the genetiv case yet either but yes your example definitely makes sense

so thank you very much 🙂

und frohe Weihnachten 🎄

[long whale]

Danke, gleichfalls!

[velvet whale]

Hello, People around me have recommended me to hear german songs as they help alot in learning. Can someone tell me some german artists or songs?

[icy flax]

Haben wir iwo eine FAQ Erklärung zu den verschiedenen Adjektivendungen? -haft, -ig, -isch

Heute stolperte ich über rüpelig und rüpelhaft. Die Variante -lig bedeutet etwas das definitiv es IST, und -haft, dass etwas so aussieht, obwohl es nicht wirklich ist, oder?

[long whale]

No. 🤷

[pure crescent]

Duden hat eine gute Erklärung , aus der man ein FAQ machen könnte?

Mithilfe dieser drei Ableitungssilben werden aus Substantiven Adjektive abgeleitet. Dabei heißt -ig so viel wie „das vom Wortstamm Bezeichnete ist vorhanden“ (nebelig = „Nebel ist vorhanden“). Mit -isch werden oft Adjektive aus Substantiven für Lebewesen gebildet (diebisch, künstlerisch), -isch meint dann so viel wie „in der Art einer/eines bzw. wie ein/eine“ (betrügerisch = „in der Art eines Betrügers bzw. wie ein Betrüger“). Aber auch aus anderen Substantivstämmen bildet man mit -isch Adjektive (grammatisch, karolingisch) und hat dann in etwa die Bedeutung „gehört zu“. Am neutralsten ist -lich, das ganz allgemein nur aussagt „hat irgendetwas zu tun mit“ (ärztlich, ärgerlich, rühmlich).

[fervent kernel]

Grüezi

[whole portal]

@still knot please do not post questions in more than one channel

[still knot]

Sorryy

[long whale]

German copyright laws are very strict and extend to this server -> pirated material or links to it can not be posted here. 🧁

[sharp berry]

Okay.

[rough wraith]

Gutenmorgen! Is there any beginner "A0+" books you'd personally recommend? Learning with my wife together!

[astral granite]

id advise looking into the resources channel

[delicate sapphire]

bit of an odd question: i have noticed in some younger people will randomly add english phrases in there convos its not common at all. i know this comes down to like internatinalzation and like english memes but is there like a study or a name for this concept where not just laon words but like loan phrases

[whole portal]

I hate this lol

No idea what it's called tho

[delicate sapphire]

how common would you feel it is i have only seen it sometimes on youtube with like random interviews

[outer edge]

Are these 2 phrases correct?
Ich finde am besten Nudeln
Ich finde Nudeln am besten

or does any of those phrases sound weird in any sense?

[hidden pebble]

The second one

[delicate sapphire]

yup second one

[gusty silo]

loan phrases are an old hat too, they're not a phenomenon of this century
in certain circles, especially in the past, people say a simple Latin phrase occasionally, two and three centuries ago people said some simple French phrases, some of those have stuck around too
a classic in this regard is the Russian novel War and Peace which consists to a significant portion of untranslated French (which of course serves to characterise the Russian upper class at the time, but the average person now has much more means of coming into contact with English through modern media and their greater comparative wealth than the average Russian two centuries ago)

[delicate sapphire]

neat

thanks for the informative answer

[gusty silo]

the keyword that might help you is code-switching

[delicate sapphire]

code switching nifty phrase

to the google machine

[gusty silo]

have fun

[delicate sapphire]

and after some light googling and jogging my memory looks like my father did that when i was younger while he was learning german and trying to teach us(me and my brother)

[gusty silo]

maybe!

[plush pelican]

Have you ever been to the Discord server for the r/DE subreddit? The people there use English constantly, they use it more than I do when I speak German.

[gusty silo]

in and of itself a linguistically unremarkable thing, someone must have started loaning securus constantly too to give us modern german sicher

(well of course linguistically remarkable as all language use is worth being remarked upon, but it's not a stand-out thing limited to modern english's influence on other language or french's influence on middle english or whatever)

i should really look into what we know about the amoung of french use in germany in the past

[delicate sapphire]

i just thought it was intresting because i basicaly never see code switching in american english

[gusty silo]

indeed

potentially some people who know spanish might code switch

were it not for english being the current linguistic hegemon, i have little faith the average german would be competent enough in any particular foreign language to code switch into (and still be understood by other germans who'd also need to be competent enough in the same, of course), lol

[strange ibex]

Hey guys

How can I get join the vc?

[stoic mauve]

@strange ibex, please read the Roles section in #getting-started for info on how to join VC and more.

[delicate sapphire]

o the bot works in all channles neat

[gusty silo]

language use is in a lot of flux of course, standard german as used by most people doesn't use as many french loans anymore as certain individual dialects do. because there was the push in the 19th century to get rid of the french loans and french later also declined as the prestigeous language many germans learned and that was seen as modern

currently english is seen as modern and widely learned by germans, who knows if this will still be so in fifty, seventy, a hundred years

[delicate sapphire]

might be chinese who knows just was trying to find the word for that concept and looking back at my life i have enocuntered it a suprsingly amount

but that might just have been the places i have chosen to work have been odyl devierse for the given area

[gusty silo]

🤷

[strange ibex]

yo

[gusty silo]

hm?

[strange ibex]

how can I join

Vc*

[gusty silo]

have you done this yet? it says there

[strange ibex]

I dont get this code

[gusty silo]

just click on the #getting-started channel, there's one sentence written in bold that explains what's up with the vc

[strange ibex]

Oh

[lilac relic]

I

[quiet thicket]

Hallo...
Guys...which country gives more opportunities for geology related courses?
Anyone knew...please reply or DM

[steel patrol]

You mean out of the DACH countries? You’d probably be better off asking in #1033125270217048246, on Reddit, or by doing some research using Google.

[plush pelican]

"Oder würde ein neues Übel das alte ersetzen?"

I thought you had to use "durch" with ersetzen?

Context: this is from a fantasy book written by a German native.

Dabei streifte sein Blick die Stadtmauern Wallstadts, die zu einem flimmernden schwarzen Strich in der Ferne zusammengeschmolzen waren. Würden für die Stadt bessere Zeiten anbrechen, oder würde ein neues Übel das alte ersetzen?

[plush pelican]

I see that "ersetzen" has 2 definitions, and I'm guessing the one definition requires "durch" and the other doesn't, but honestly I'm having trouble understanding the difference.

[gusty silo]

who's the subject, basically
X replaces Y - X ersetzt Y (X takes the place of Y)
X replaces Y with Z - X ersetzt Y durch Z (X has Z take the place of Y)

[plush pelican]

WHY, GERMAN, WHY

[gusty silo]

😌 valency is important

you also use a preposition there, with

🤷

[plush pelican]

I have not studied linguistics; I am only vaguely aware of the meaning of "valency"

Something about number of arguments a verb takes?

[gusty silo]

ah i see something potentially confusing by the way: ersetzen without durch can also be used in the sense of having something replaced for someone too, actually
Er ersetzt ihm Vater und Mutter could mean that 'er' is taking the parental role for whoever 'ihm' refers to, or "theoretically" that the 'er' is picking another set of parental units from the clone factory. nonsense in this example of course, but if we say "Er ersetzte ihm das Auto" then er might have given him a replacement car as compensation for some damage

[gusty silo]

spot on

[plush pelican]

All of the "linguistics" I know is on-the-job training for learning German 😅

[gusty silo]

[plush pelican]

By which I mean: I've only ever learned linguistics to the extent that it directly helps with learning German

[gusty silo]

mhm

more than most people already

[long whale]

Doesn't it basically work the same way "to replace" works in English? "x replaced y" (X (Nom) ersetzte Y (Akk)) vs. "he replaced x with y" (Er ersetzte X (Akk) durch Y) - ?

[plush pelican]

Apparently, except all I remember ever seeing was "You have to use durch with ersetzen" and no one explaining that some of the time you don't need durch

[long whale]

I guess a similar thing might happen in English course books: people would be taught it's "to replace sth/so with sth/so", because "to replace sth" is so easy/normal, it isn't considered worth mentioning? 🤔

[plush pelican]

My German learning has been haphazard, so it might also just be an example of the lack of an official course or teacher hurting me.

[vague rain]

hallo, sorry for the silly question...

why do i say ich denke, dass die Person uns versteht, but once its in imperfect its ich denke, dass die Person uns verstanden hat

i thought the correct imperfect wouldve been ich denke dass die Person uns verstand hat

٭(•﹏•)٭

[unique dune]

thats perfect, not imperfect. imperfect would be "...dass die Person uns verstand" but perfect would be "dass die Person uns verstanden hat"

"verstand hat" would be like a mix of the two and its just not correct

[vague rain]

ohhhh i feel so stupid now 😅 of course

[unique dune]

no worries

[vague rain]

danke für deine Hilfe

[unique dune]

für/fuer*

[vague rain]

there we go 😆

[plush pelican]

Do you have a website for looking up forms of the verb for different tenses?

https://conjugator.reverso.net/conjugation-german-verb-verstehen.html

Check out Perfekt vs. Präteritum

[vague rain]

yes i do 🙂 i just literally just forgot perfekt existed 😭

but thank you 😂

[deep flower]

Could somebody tell me the difference between prädikative und atributtive adjektiv?

Why in this sentense es war ein netter abend I have attributive and also prädikative adjektiv?

Or in sentence er trag lila hose

[ripe dust]

a part of the noun

[deep flower]

Why the adjektiv is like both prä und attr?

[plush pelican]

prädikativ Adjektiv = by itself

Er ist groß.

attributiv Adjektiv = in front of a noun, modifying the noun directly

der große Hund.

Only attributive adjectives get declined (have suffixes added on to them.)

[plush pelican]

"Es war ein netter Abend" is the sentence?

"nett" is attributive here, notice the suffix -er added on

[deep flower]

I always understand that when i have an ending i have attr

Ohne ending is prä

[plush pelican]

without ending might also still be attributive, it depends on the gender and case of the noun

but the big clue is just, "Is the adjective in front of a noun? If yes, it is attributive"

[deep flower]

So in this sentence i have only attributive?

[plush pelican]

yes

https://www.germanveryeasy.com/adjective-declension

[deep flower]

Im confused because on vorlesung teacher said that it's also prädikative😭😭😭😭😭

[plush pelican]

"ein netter Abend" is in nominative case, so the "ein" doesn't change at all

[plush pelican]

I don't understand that

Were they possibly talking about a "predicate complement"?

[deep flower]

Netter was also prädikativ und atrributiv

[plush pelican]

That just sounds wrong, as far as I understand it

an adjective cannot be both at the same time

[ripe dust]

"Übrigens, wie in andernen romanischen Sprachen gibt es Arten der Verbkonjugationen: "marcher", auf -er endende Verben, "finir", auf -ir beendende Verben."

Too complicated and could I write additional information about "marcher" und "finir" with the putting a comma after them (like in Russian)?

[deep flower]

But in helbig und buscha there is also a gropu with + atrrib und + präd

And im super confused

[plush pelican]

"helbig und buscha" I don't know what this is

[deep flower]

"Deutsche grammatik für ausländerunterricht" by helbig und buscha

[plush pelican]

Alright, great, but I have not personally read every book on German grammar in existence, so I won't know every detail from your grammar book

You will have to give more details about what you mean

A photo would probably help a lot

[deep flower]

moment

[plush pelican]

What does it say about the other groups?

I know that there are some adjectives which can only be used attributively, or only be used predicatively.

It's possible that they mean this group is the group of adjectives where you can use them either attributively or predicatively, depending on the sentence.
NOT that they are attributive and predicative at the same time.

[plush pelican]

btw, this is a super complicated text to be trying to learn German from, unless you've already been studying linguistics?

[deep flower]

Yes iam studying germanistic

This is my main book on morphology

[plush pelican]

Do you have a picture of it describing the other groups, Groups B and C, I'm guessing?

[deep flower]

Yessss wait a minute

[brisk kettle]

what does this word mean here

[unique dune]

in the amount of

[plush pelican]

yeah, I think they are distinguishing between 3 groups of adjectives:

• Group A: Can be used either attributively or predicatively
• Group B: Can be used attributively, NOT predicatively
• Group C: Can be used predicatively, NOT attributively

[deep flower]

Ok soo es was ein netter Abend ist prä und attr+, because it can be netter oder nett?

[plush pelican]

"nett" can be used either predicatively or attributively, but in that sentence, it's used attributively

[deep flower]

Like das Wetter ist netter?

[plush pelican]

das Wetter ist nett

[deep flower]

Yesss nett

[plush pelican]

when used predicatively, adjectives don't get declined (don't add suffixes)

[deep flower]

Ok thats make sense

[plush pelican]

When I say, "don't add suffixes", I mean, "they don't add suffixes because of the noun."

Adjectives can still be modified to be in comparative or superlative form, so "nett, netter, am nettesten" = nice, nicer, nicest

Dein Bruder ist netter als du = Your brother is nicer than you.

[deep flower]

Danke schoen ich denke, dass ich jetzt diese Ausgabe verstehe

Ja es gibt also subklassen komparierbar

Aber in Satze sie trug ein rosa Hose Ich habe + prä und atrr, aber die Bedeutung ist nur attributive?

[plush pelican]

There are a few adjectives in German that do not get declined even when used attributively. These are exceptions. "rosa" is one of them

[deep flower]

Yeah lila too

[plush pelican]

genau

[deep flower]

Danke schön😍

[plush pelican]

so to be clear, in the sentence, "Sie trug eine rosa Hose", "rosa" is being used attributively here.

But the word could be used predicatively in another sentence: "Die Hose ist rosa."

[deep flower]

Ja, natürlich

Aber in Satz 'sie ist im vierten monat schwanger" ich habe prä- und attr+, ja?

[long whale]

It's der Satz -> im Satz; in dem Satz

in Satz

[deep flower]

ok, danke🥰

[plush pelican]

In that sentence, "vierten" is attributive, "schwanger" is predicative, not sure why you had minus for prä and plus for attr

Also: don't forget to capitalize nouns, it is a part of the spelling

[deep flower]

I remember that satz is der, but i'm thinking in polish and writing in english/german and my brain is on fire🤣🤣🤣

[deep flower]

Sorry, im thinking about vierten

So for vierten prä- and atrr+

[plush pelican]

...why are you saying prä-?

Just say, "vierten is being used attributively"

[long whale]

headdesk

[deep flower]

Yes, but on my exam I have to write only + oder -

[plush pelican]

alright

[deep flower]

Why? I dont know, maybe it's connected with this book by buscha&helbig:D

[plush pelican]

These are questions that perhaps your teacher could answer 😅

[jade hawk]

Is there any German version of It happens to the best of us or does the literal Es passiert den Besten von uns suffice

[pure crescent]

"Kann den Besten passieren" is how I would say it 🤔

[upbeat thicket]

Or „passiert den Besten“

[whole portal]

yeah this is how I know it

[wicked lark]

Both possible and correct.

[dusky acorn]

is there any difference between "mit etw. scheitern" and "an etw. scheitern"?

[whole portal]

Yes

Mit etwas scheitern means you fail at doing something, like your business fails. An etwas scheitern means you fail due to some circumstance, for example you fail due to poor management

Ich bin mit meinem Unternehmen gescheitert, weil ich an der Buchhaltung gescheitert bin.

[desert sleet]

Warum manche Leute sagen "Wollen wir einen Kaffee machen?"

liege ich falsch?

[long whale]

*Warum sagen manche Leute...? - I'm not sure I understand your question?

[desert sleet]

ich habe "wollen wir einen Kaffee machen?" als Einladung gehört

vielleicht irre ich mich

sowohl als "wollen wir gehen"?

steht als Imperativ?

[long whale]

I'll get told off by @plush pelican again, but I'd translate "Wollen wir gehen?" as "Shall we leave?"

😄

[plush pelican]

In American English, you'd say, "Do we want to go (to the park or wherever)?"

It's a polite request

[desert sleet]

ich danke euch😇

[plush pelican]

We need some Brits in this server to talk about how often "shall" is used in British English

Cause in American English, it's mostly only used ironically, to sound old-timey

[desert sleet]

ich verstehe was du meinst

[long whale]

@near folio Hope you don't mind the ping about #questions-2 message ...?

[dusky acorn]

What does "gekantet werden" mean? Can't find anything out there.

"Gergiev wurde von den Menschen gekantet, weil er sich weigerte, diese Meinung zu verurteilen"?

[plush pelican]

@long whale Is it this one? https://www.dwds.de/wb/kanten#d-1-2-1

[long whale]

Colloquially, "jdn kanten" means "to fire, to sack"

[dusky acorn]

thanks!

[plush pelican]

Oh, so that's 2(b), then, 😅

[dusky acorn]

one more question: genitiv for president goes like "seines Präsidenten" - is it because of n-Deklination?

[plush pelican]

yep

[long whale]

Come to think of it, Peaceful Candle had the right idea (and I was wrong): jdn kanten OR gegen jdn kanten = to attack someone verbally

[dusky acorn]

oh

[plush pelican]

Well, but then I googled it, and there was a headline that he was, in fact, fired

[dusky acorn]

but it could also mean "fire" right

[plush pelican]

https://www.handelsblatt.com/arts_und_style/lifestyle/ukraine-krieg-russischer-stardirigent-valery-gergiev-entlassen/28117544.html

[dusky acorn]

it's a bit hard to figure out which one that was looking just at this bit

[long whale]

I mean, it does have that meaning, but it's usually not "Menschen/people" who sack someone, is it? It's far more likely he was verbally attacked by unspecified people, isn't it?

[dusky acorn]

yeah true

[plush pelican]

It had to do with him refusing to denounce Putin's war in the Ukraine

Es werde damit keine weiteren Konzerte der Münchner Philharmoniker unter seiner Leitung geben, sagte Reiter. Gergiev habe sich zu der Aufforderung, „sich eindeutig und unmissverständlich von dem brutalen Angriffskrieg zu distanzieren, den Putin gegen die Ukraine und nun insbesondere auch gegen unsere Partnerstadt Kiew führt“, nicht geäußert, erklärte der OB.

Reiter hatte dem Dirigenten am Freitag ein entsprechendes Ultimatum bis Montagabend gestellt. In der aktuellen Situation wäre „ein klares Signal für das Orchester, sein Publikum, die Öffentlichkeit und die Stadtpolitik unabdingbar gewesen, um weiter zusammenarbeiten zu können“, betonte der Rathauschef.

So there was public pressure involved, I think

[dusky acorn]

so you couldn't say "wurde gekündigt" instead here because of the public pressure right?

you could technically, but it would change the tone of the sentence ig

[dusky acorn]

Let's change "Menschen" to "Deutschland" here and look at it that way then

Cause it was Deutschland originally

[long whale]

As I said: I don't think it means "sacked, fired" here - not anymore. I think it means "verbal attackiert/angegriffen". So, it wouldn't just change the tone, it would change the meaning.

[plush pelican]

but he was fired?

[long whale]

Yeah, well, "Menschen/people" sacking someone was unlikely. Germany sacking someone is plain impossible. 🤷

[long whale]

Doesn't say whether he'd actually been employed. 🤷 Might just have been an agreement on so many concerts. In which case I don't think we would/could use plain "jdm kündigen". We'd rather say sth like "X hat die Zusammenarbeit mit Y aufgekündigt" or "X weigert sich, weiter mit Y zusammenzuarbeiten", or at least "X hat den Vertrag mit X gekündigt" 🤔

[plush pelican]

I didn't even know "aufkündigen" was a word

[plush pelican]

The headline said "entlassen"

[long whale]

Ah, hadn't seen that.

[stone peak]

Hallo

[long whale]

Yeah, I think it's preferably used for terminating relationships outside of employer-employee circumstances.

[plush pelican]

This is also something I have to work on, is not just knowing the vague meaning of words, but the really specific, subtle differences between "entlassen", "kündigen", "aufkündigen", etc

[long whale]

You think so? I mean, unless you want to start translating...?

[plush pelican]

My goal is to speak like a native

I'm not learning 5 foreign languages simultaneously, I'm just learning the one

[dusky acorn]

same tbh

[plush pelican]

Pro-tip: If you're not already, work on listening to podcasts and reading some lighter material

[dusky acorn]

well ultimately I wanna reach C1 but you can't get proper C1 without knowing those little differences

[dusky acorn]

I do already

but thanks for the tip anyways

podcasts don't do too much for me tbh

[plush pelican]

For me, it's an easy way to interact with the language while I'm going for a walk or driving

It's easy

[dusky acorn]

netflix series and YouTube videos work better for me

But I've seen German people joking about the German dub a lot so I'm reconsidering the netflix part

[plush pelican]

I think it depends on the movie or show. I definitely feel like there's often a difference in the depth of the acting performance for a dub versus original sound, but that's because the actor had months to focus on this thing, whereas a voice actor often has almost no time to prepare and may even be sight-reading and reacting as they read.

But that doesn't mean that the voiceacting is bad, just not as good as the original

[dusky acorn]

watching German series is a good compromise

But not too many of them have word-by-word subs sadly

[plush pelican]

Die Kaiserin is a german-original series on Netflix

[desert sleet]

my main problem is that I focus too much on input and not so on output

[dusky acorn]

the subs always have some differences

[plush pelican]

yeah, it seems that German subbing isn't as precise as American closed captioning

[long whale]

Well, me neither (and never have been). It's just... Admittedly, you need a shitload of input to replace hard studying. So, I'm probably just lazy. But then, you don't need a totally huge active vocab to speak like a native, do you? 🤔

[plush pelican]

All I know is, I want to be able to express myself as well in German as I can in English, and I'm definitely not there yet.

[long whale]

I'd say that's only bad if you're on a tight schedule.

[near folio]

Ich stimme dir zu aber "Do we want to/wanna leave" ist auch üblich und irgendwie sanfter.

[long whale]

Noted. Thank you! And a very happy new year to you!

[near folio]

Dir auch ein Frohes Neues!

[plush pelican]

But "shall" does get used often in British English? And not just as a joke?

[long whale]

Well, they did say "auch üblich" (also common)...

[plush pelican]

I know, I just find it difficult to accept 😛

[charred harbor]

I use it a lot as not a joke

[plush pelican]

Are you British?

[charred harbor]

Yes

[plush pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/no-idontbelieveit-dont-believe-it-gif-7698259

😛

[charred harbor]

You say “different than” in American English so now we’re even

[plush pelican]

what?

[charred harbor]

xD

[plush pelican]

In what context are you talking about? What do Brits say?

[gusty silo]

different than... wild, this hasn't lived in my conscious memory in a long time

[gusty silo]

from

i'm not a brit myself but "different than [noun]" is, like, not in my repertoire, you know

atleast if i think about it, i may well say this sometimes and just not notice

[warped oriole]

How would you say "i am different than you"?

[acoustic breach]

"different from"?

[warped oriole]

So what is the correct form in english? Different from or different than?

[acoustic breach]

Google says "different from" is more accepted

One source says because "than" is used after a comparative

[warped oriole]

Different from you.
Anders als du.

More different than you.
Verschiedener als du.

🤔

[long whale]

BE vs. AE 🤷

[acoustic breach]

That's what I understand from google

[whole portal]

Why would you be saying more different

[near folio]

Es ist zwar ungewöhnlich aber es wird unironisch verwendet, ja.

[whole portal]

honse

[acoustic breach]

English is different from German
Mandarin is more different (from German) than English

Ig

[warped oriole]

A monkey is different from a human. But a fish is more different. Can't I say this 😄

[whole portal]

I guess

Unterschiedlicher or verschiedener work but feel weird

[gusty silo]

anderster

[whole portal]

unterscheidet sich stärker

[desert sleet]

Der Rabatt ist bis zum 12.3 eingelöst/einlösbar/einzulösen ??

ich glaube dass "einlösbar" passt besser

aber ich bin mir nicht sicher

[long whale]

Ich glaube*,** dass "einlösbar" besser passt. - That's correct. Because "-bar" usually means as much as "-able": redeem__able__ ;)

[desert sleet]

danke schön, ich glaubte dass "einlösbar" die richtige war, aber weil ich mich so oft verzweifle, habe ich "Trust issues"

[long whale]

*mich Oh dear, you often despair? Here, have a 🍪. 🎄

[desert sleet]

oh nein, ich möchte "verwirre" sagen, sorry

[long whale]

*verwirrt ;)

[desert sleet]

dann "mich verwirre" ist falsch?

weil ich tue es selber

[fervent kernel]

could someone explain what type of object möglichst is ?

gesunder is comparative

moeglichst seems like superlative

[plush pelican]

"möglichst X" = so X wie möglich

möglichst schnell = so schnell wie möglich

There, it's "sleep that's healthy and as uninterrupted as possible."

gesunder because it's modifying Schlaf

guter Schlaf

So I think "möglichst" is an adverb there, modifying "ununterbrochen"?

[fervent kernel]

dam u do be like a deutsch expert tho

[fervent kernel]

thanks

[plush pelican]

I'm working on learning diese verfickte Sprache xD

[fervent kernel]

tf u are only b2

I am doing c1.1 course and confused asf still

[plush pelican]

Well, idk what level I am

[fervent kernel]

dam

so is the life of anime protagnists

[plush pelican]

I've never done an official course and never taken a test

[fervent kernel]

they never know their power level

dam

[desert sleet]

same, ich habe Einstufungstests gemacht, und sie sagen dass ich auf einem B1 Niveau bin

[long whale]

ich verwirre mich = I confuse myself vs. X verwirrt mich = X confuses me

[final marlin]

Don't you think möglichst in an adverb in this sentence ?
Also, in dem Foto, der er oben hochgeladen hat.

[desert sleet]

: )

[long whale]

That is what they said.

[jade hawk]

I am unsure about es gibt. Does it still work after a subordinating conjuction? Like, does it work in a sentence like [...], weil es bla bla bla bla gibt? Or is it some kind of an idomatic phrase that needs to be together

[long whale]

That it's an adverb. And I agree.

[long whale]

Your example is correct. ;)

[final marlin]

Sorry hatte es nicht voll durchgelesen

[jade hawk]

Alright. For some reason it just sounded wrong to me. Thanks

[long whale]

It is an idiomatic phrase, and it does need to appear together, but in the same clause is enough "together" if you get my drift. ;)

[pure crescent]

Saying ", weil es gibt..." is a mistake I've noticed my Spanish friends loooove to make 😂

[jade hawk]

well earlier today I found out that aussehen's aus sometimes doesn't go to the end apparently <#general message>

[jade hawk]

And I think there was one other situation where something was correct in Umgangssprache spoken language, but not in the official written Hochdeutsch. So I wouldnt be surprised if this es gibt was considered fine and perfectly understandable in ugs or something

[long whale]

..., weil es gibt dort die beste Pizza is not correct, but you'll still hear it a lot from German native speakers. It's as if they first consider the answer after having said "weil" (pause) and then come up with a main clause. 🤷

[long whale]

I'm not sure which particular sentence you're referring to, but with "aussehen", you often use "wie", as in "It's a dog, but it looks like a cat". And comparisons usually come in the Nachfeld, i.e. after the verb: Es ist ein Hund, aber er sieht aus wie eine Katze. Was that what you meant?

[desert sleet]

weil dort gitb es (?)

[desert sleet]

ich bin spanierin vielleicht mache ich auch diese Fehler

[long whale]

Yeah, also not correct, but also used a lot.

[desert sleet]

wie ist die korrekte Form?

[jade hawk]

Yeah, if you scroll up a bit you'll see a duolingo sentence with such a comparison

[desert sleet]

meinst du warum "aus" steht nicht nach "katze"?

[long whale]

weil + subordinate clause: ...weil es dort... gibt.

[plush pelican]

"weil" is a subordinating conjunction, like "dass"

It's supposed to force a dependent clause (Nebensatz) word order

That means the verb at the end.

Ich weiß, dass es 8 Planeten gibt.

Ich habe Recht, weil es 8 Planeten gibt.

[desert sleet]

omg so obvious Ich hasse es wenn ich diese Fehler mache, vielen dank

[long whale]

*Meinst du, warum... steht? (same principle for indirect questions) ;)

[shadow ocean]

What is the difference between holen and abholen?

I know that asking 'Hast du das Paket von der Post geholt?' is correct, but would asking 'Hast du das paket von der post abgeholt?' make any difference?

[long whale]

If something/someone (especially someone) is waiting for you to pick them/it up, use "abholen". If it's just you getting up, going somewhere, taking/picking up sth and going back, it's usually "holen". Since you could say the parcel is "waiting" to be picked up at the post office, or not (how can a parcel be waiting? and did you order it, i.e. were you waiting for it? or was it a surprise?), in this particular case, I'd say, both work okay. However, if you're going to fetch a bottle of beer from the fridge, definitely only "holen" works. Does that help?

[shadow ocean]

Yes, thanks a lot 🙂

Haha when will discord change the creepy smile

(:

[rancid valley]

can anybody help with an assigment cover? i looked up for templates but everything is in english, i dont trust the translation it sounds really weird to me. Basically i need the following in german: University name - department name(can it be Fakultät für Erziehungswissenschaften?)- teachers name - Students Name - Students ID nummer - class code number - thema of the assigment:story analysis - date of submission

or if anybody does assigment front pages like this it will be nice to hear how they do it

[pure crescent]

So, what? You need help translating these phrases?

[charred harbor]

I’m different to you (although I’d much more commonly say “I’m not like you”)

[rancid valley]

is what im trying to prepare called deckblatt?

i think i figured it out

[pure crescent]

sounds like it

[fervent kernel]

study plans will be punished, wtf?

[plain umbra]

I think you're mixing strafen and straffen?

[plush pelican]

"gestrafft", not "bestraft"
streamlined

"nach wenigen Semestern"
nach requires dative, dative plural requires additional -n on the noun

"die meist jungen Menschen"
The mostly young people

"meist" here is an adverb modifying the adjective "jung", and thus doesn't get declined.

[fervent kernel]

oh wait let me check

oh lol

I don't get why meist is an adverb

I wrote as meisten

[plush pelican]

Did you see how in English it's "mostly" and not "most"?

[fervent kernel]

I know the phenomna that u can push in adverbs between the adjective and article of nouns

[plush pelican]

-ly indicates an adverb

"die meisten jungen Menschen" = most young people = the majority of young people

They're saying, "the mostly young people" = the people, who are mostly young

Because there are some students who are older, so it's only mostly young people

[fervent kernel]

ig then to answer this u need to know german culture

because normally, where I live, only young people go to uni

there is no age range

[plush pelican]

Where are you from?

[fervent kernel]

india

I think so same in most asian

[plush pelican]

Alright, well, at least in the US you also have older people who go to college. It's not very common, but it happens

[fervent kernel]

dam

[plush pelican]

Have you ever seen the TV show "Community"?

[plain umbra]

Even PhD?

[fervent kernel]

phd is a small subset of people

like teeny

most people do bachelors and then go work

and bachelor it is 99% time young

we have like entrance exam we have to write and I think so age limitation are there on those

strangely enough there is none for medical courses, and there, in very rare occasion u can see super old people

[plush pelican]

I found this for the US:

[fervent kernel]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/education/64-year-old-retired-odisha-banker-cracks-neet-now-a-first-year-mbbs-student/story-EflvVWxtTx4j64FSgVcWEO.html

example

[plain umbra]

Well it's very common in certain fields such as medicine that people need to renew their studies.

Like continuing to take classes in order to keep their qualification.

I don't know how it works exactly.

But I've met people doing that.

[fervent kernel]

I know about this in middle east

[plush pelican]

so approximately 85% of people are under 30, and maybe 5% or less are over 40?

[fervent kernel]

but as far as I understood it, it's not with a uni

the doctors go to some confrence hall, and on succesful participation they got points

u need some threshhold points to be able to keep oyur doctor status or something

and if u get enough, u can ask for salary hike in government job

[desert sleet]

https://deutsch.lingolia.com/de/

jemand kennt diese website?

würdet ihr diese website empfehlen? ich meine ob es dort die ganze Grammatik Regeln gibt

[obtuse brook]

Is it a good idea to communicate with german when i have to use a dict or translator most of the time or should i rather just work a bit more on my german first

[long whale]

I guess they'd probably switch to English if you did that... 🤔

[obtuse brook]

No i was doing that in German only channel💀

I don't think they found out

[verbal girder]

<@&305455824174710787> 🤓
I'd like to report a violation of our rules

hey it's your lucky day there're no mods

two gentlemen having an intelectual discussion on a learning platform , only commendable 👏 🤝 🍿

[drowsy valley]

what happened

ah nvm

[sly ferry]

Please don't engage with trolls

[drowsy valley]

my bad, him copy pasting the USSR anthem brought back memories

[open brook]

kann mir jemand bitte sagen was Schwerpunkt auf Englisch heißt, ich weiß wann man das Wort benutzt in welchem Kontext aber irgendwie habe ich immer noch nicht kapiert was es auch wortwörtlich bedeutet.

[gusty silo]

Fokus

[plush pelican]

"auf Englisch"

[plush pelican]

https://www.dict.cc/?s=Schwerpunkt

[gusty silo]

ich habe großes Vertrauen darin, dass die englische Entsprechung von Fokus recht ersichtlich ist

[plush pelican]

Du sagst das, aber manchmal gibt es falsche Freunde

bekommen != become

[gusty silo]

ja nu

schon

[vague rain]

this might be a silly question but its just an observation i made while learning, when using gebrochen, am I to use "haben" if someone for example broke their bone, and to use "sein" when for example a plastic fork breaks?

[gloomy shoal]

I think the distinction lies with whether or not the verb is being used transitively (ex: He broke the ice.) or intransitively (ex: The ice broke).

Both Duden and DWDS are pretty good about showing when to use which for these sorts of verbs.
https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/brechen

https://www.dwds.de/wb/brechen

[plush pelican]

To dumb this down slightly: using haben or sein depends on if the thing breaking is the subject (Das Eis ist gebrochen.) or the object (Ich habe das Eis gebrochen.)

[shrewd parcel]

hi!! im here to ask if the wasch ab and abgewaschen after abwaschen are grammar/tense conjugations? if so which? (so i can start learning and memorising)

also, is this something exclusive to separable verbs?

well yes i know that

what grammatical concept is abgewaschen tho??

[jade hawk]

Perfekt past tense

[shrewd parcel]

thank you!

mmm

[jade hawk]

Oh and btw

Usually verbs in perfekt get a ge at the beginning but with seperable verb the ge goes between the particles that get seperated

[shrewd parcel]

ohhh okay, makes sense :D

[jade hawk]

Abwaschen is not only seperable but also irregular so you've come across a tough example here

[shrewd parcel]

refreshing

thanks a lot for the help o7

[jade hawk]

Perfekt is one of the two basic past tenses so you should look up the rules for it

[shrewd parcel]

will do

o7

[vague rain]

yes thank you! I understood.

[vague rain]

danke sehr 🙂

hallo wieder... I'm practising the verbs setzen und sitzen. im sorry this is a silly question but could someone break these sentences down and tell me why they either are accusativ oder dativ?

1. "Max will zwischen dich und mich setzen."
2. "Ich will nicht zwischen dir und deinem Bruder sitzen."

[plush pelican]

Today I learned "zwischen" is a two-way preposition 😅

[plush pelican]

As to why: that's to do with how two-way prepositions work. I have a video on it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auWRmuw_AcY

TL;DR You typically use accusative when there's a change of state/change of location.

You use dative when either there is no change of state/no change of location.

Note that this implies you can have dative when there's movement but no change of location, for example.

Thus the sentences:

Ich jogge in den Park.
Ich jogge im Park.

Both are valid, but they mean different things.

"Ich jogge in den Park" means I am jogging into the park. I cross the boundary of the park and change location, going into the location known as "the park", so accusative case.
"Ich jogge im Park" means I am jogging inside of the park. I am jogging around, but all of my movement happens within this one location, so there's no change of location, and thus dative works.

[vague rain]

great thank you 🙂 ill watch that

[plush pelican]

For your stuff: "setzen" is the active process of sitting down. You're changing state/changing your location slightly, going from standing to sitting, so accusative.
"sitzen" is the passive state of being in a seated position. Nothing is changing, you're just sitting there, so dative.

[vague rain]

ok i think i understand now

[plush pelican]

There's a couple of verbs that have pairs like this:

[vague rain]

ill watch the video

and if i end up not understanding ill come back here 😄

[vague rain]

ok yeah it makes sense 🙂 danke sehr

[sly ferry]

The first one should either be Max will sich zwischen dich und mich setzen or Max will zwischen dir und mir sitzen

[vague rain]

oh yeah sorry that was my mistake

[vague rain]

wait so i don't have say "sich" for the latter example?

is it wrong to say "Max will sich zwischen dir und mir sitzen."

[sly ferry]

Yeah

[vague rain]

and thats just because of the verb correct?

[sly ferry]

Uh unfortunately that's where the native curse kicks in , so I'm not sure how to answer that
Setzen is a reflexive verb here, so you need the "sich"
"Sich setzen" is a motion as opposed to a state, so you need accusative as opposed to dative
The "zwischen" however also requires accusative here so I have no idea if that's a yes or no lmao

[vague rain]

ok thanks 😄 ill try to understand!

[south zenith]

Setzen is the act of sitting, sitzen is already laying
Setzen is transitive , sitzen is not

Nachdem man sich setzt, sitzt man

[plush pelican]

the first one is an active process, think of it as, "Max wants to sit himself/put himself between you and me"
the second one is a passive state, "I don't want to be sitting between you and your brother."

Think of the reflexive here as though it were an object he were physically setting in the place between you and me.

It just so happens, that that object is also him.

[pliant narwhal]

is 2 lessons of nico’s weg a good way to spend an hour-hour half learning

[plush pelican]

good compared to what?

Compared to doing nothing involving German, it's fantastic 😄

[warped oriole]

@vague rain
Setzen - you do it to something or yourself. Like schlagen or anfassen.

Sitzen - it is a state you are in. Like stehen, gehen, schlafen. You don't do it to anyone. You just do it.

Du setzt dich zwischen mich und ihn.
Akkusativ because you are not already between me and him. You first put yourself between us. After that you are zwischen mir und ihm.
Also: Du sitzt dann zwischen mir und ihm.

So sometimes the differenz between dativ and akkusativ is that you are already inside or you go inside but arn't already inside.

Ich laufe in den Regen.
I walk into the rain.
Ich laufe in dem Regen.
I walk inside the rain.

Ich setze mich zwischen ihm und ihr auf den Stuhl.
(You are already between him and her and now going to put yourself on the chair)

Ich setze mich zwischen ihn und sie auf den Stuhl.
(You are not already between him and her but are going to be between them and put yourself on the chair.)

[charred harbor]

You pretty much never say "in dem Regen" to be honest.

Realistically it's almost always "im Regen"

[warped oriole]

Ich sag beides. Mal so, mal so. Und Deutsch ist meine Muttersprache. Aber ja, am meisten nutzt man "im".

[vital oasis]

hey does anybody know the difference between "denn", "weil", and "wegen"? they all mean because.

[warped oriole]

Weil=because
Wegen=because of=due to

[icy flax]

Ja, ich kenne den Unterschied und vermute, ich kann es dir auch beibrigen.
Im Grund genommen haben sie alle unterschiedliche grammatikalische Funktionen, und das merkst du in der Position des fettgedruckten Verbs.

1. "denn" leitet einen Hauptsatz ein

Er weiß das, denn er ist der Lehrer.

2. "weil" leitet einen Nebensatz ein (das merkst du in der Position des fettgedruckten Verbs):

Er weiß das, weil er ist der Lehrer ist. (Manche Muttersprachler benutzen weil als denn, aber es ist falsch)

3. "wegen" fungiert als Präposition für einem Substantiv:

Er weiß das wegen seiner Erfahrung als Lehrer.

[warped oriole]

Weil nutzt man immer um auf Fragen zu antworten. Warum? Weil...

Denn nutzt man um sein gesagtes zu begründen.
Ich gehe nach Hause, denn mir ist kalt.
Aber weil kann man auch immer nutzen.
Ich gehe nach Hause, weil mir kalt ist.
Dann ist die Satzstellung aber anders. Kalt ist vs ist kalt.

[vital oasis]

danke! 👍

[warped oriole]

Genau. Weil leitet immer einen Nebensatz ein und man nutzt es um eine Aussage zu begründen oder eine Frage zu beantworten.

Denn leitet einen Hauptsatz ein und man nutzt es ebenfalls um eine Aussage zu begründen.

[hushed jetty]

why is it

Ob nun x oder y ist, man kann ...
instead of
Ob nun x oder y ist, kann man ....

like with other subordinating conjunctions like 'weil'

[gusty silo]

i'd need to see the full sentence that prompted you to think about this

[hushed jetty]

let's take

ob Freitag oder Samstag, Sie können ins Kino gehen
for example

[gusty silo]

i can't think of a full sentence with this set up anyway

ah

[Egal] ob [es] Freitag oder Samstag [ist], Sie können ins Kino gehen
i'd interpret it as more of an apposition (juxtaposing two sentences, even though one is a subordinate clause in this), rather than a well integrated construction

like, it's different from
Ob du wirklich richtig stehst, siehst du, wenn das Licht angeht (to quote a television programme)

which does have the expected word order

[hushed jetty]

oh i see

thanks

is there a more idiomatic way to express this

because maybe this construction is not common in german

[gusty silo]

there may be a better, more technically correct analysis out there, i find the first sentence hard to think about (i wondered briefly if you might not be going for a sentence that should take wenn as the translation of english 'if' and not ob, but Ob Freitag oder Samstag, du kannst bla bla is something i would say occasionally, so)

[gusty silo]

depending on the specific thing you want to communicate, maybe, but "Egal ob X oder Y, [main clause that has something else before the verb]" is natural enough on its own

Egal ob du willst oder nicht, du machst jetzt deine Hausaufgaben!
Egal ob zwei oder drei Uhr, du kommst heut Nachmittag einfach mal vorbei und dann schauen wir.
etc.

[hushed jetty]

yeah that's what my tutor suggested

[jade hawk]

Trying to figure out how to say not a good one, the one referring to Art and DeepL does not understand. So should it be Keine gute. then? Mixed declension nominativ.
Was für eine Art, ein neues Jahr anzufangen/zu beginnen. Keine gute.

[pure crescent]

Keine gute 👍

[blissful wigeon]

When i say "mit meinem freund" is it meaning just a friend or a boyfriend

[charred harbor]

Typically boyfriend

Emphasis on “typically” 😄

[blissful wigeon]

Okay thanks 😂
I was always using it in "friend" way and i will not anymore.
Probably i should just use "ein freund von mein"(idk its true or not)

[pliant narwhal]

i think they just say ein freund

[midnight mica]

"ein Freund von mir"

[charred harbor]

Well mit forces dative case so in this case it would be different

“mit einem Freund von mir”

Heh, in this case it would be different
That pun was awful

[jade hawk]

What sounds more natural when it comes to saying that you've finished playing or reading something
Ich habe das Buch durchgelesen/das Spiel durchgespielt or just a more simple Ich habe das Buch gelesen/zu Ende gelesen Ich habe das Spiel zu Ende gespielt? ngl I find the durch-option to sound cooler

[pure crescent]

agreed, durch sounds cooler. also it feels more natural to me, but "zu Ende" doesn't feel unnatural either.

[long whale]

Another possibility for one or more books (not short texts like letters or articles) would be "auslesen": Ich habe das Buch ausgelesen = I finished reading the book.

[jade hawk]

Oh thats very useful thanks

[whole portal]

Hm do you really use that? 🤔

Sounds like you scanned it

[long whale]

Oh dear. To me, that's kind of what "durchlesen" suggests, except DWDS disagrees. On the other hand, it also disagrees with you as to the meaning of "auslesen": https://www.dwds.de/wb/auslesen 🤕

[whole portal]

durchlesen or just fertig lesen is what I'd say

or zu Ende lesen

[long whale]

(I tend to use "auslesen" in connection with "endlich", I feel: Ich habe endlich das Buch ausgelesen, das mir X geschenkt hatte. Meaning either I'd gotten stuck at some point, or it was just a difficult/boring read)

[whole portal]

🤔

[long whale]

Alternatively, I'd use it for a really avid reader/somebody who seems to know everything: "Er hat ganze Bibliotheken ausgelesen." (I'd have ascribed our different opinions to my age, except usage of "auslesen" seems to have actually increased over the course of my lifetime, so, indeed: 🤔)

[whole portal]

Ich habe auf den Server per FTP zugegriffen und die Logs ausgelesen.

[long whale]

... ah! sigh Of course.

[outer hazel]

Kann mir jemand helfen, die restlichen drei Wörter zu sortieren? Ich habe gesucht, aber nicht die richtige Bedeutung gefunden

[delicate tiger]

GELNSU ist 5 ||LE...||
KLORTHAFM ist 7 ||FL...||
HMSTISMACT ist 4

[south zenith]

ich kenne die Antworten, aber das Wort für 4 hab ich nur einmal gehört in einem Lied und nie in einem echten Gespräch tbh, ich brauchte eine Weile um das zu entschlüsseln

[icy flax]

in meiner Stadt in Brasilien gibt es eine Gruppe mit diesem Namen (:
wir haben uns mal uns monatlich getroffen um Deutsch zu sprechen. Mir wurde gesagt, es ist Teil deutscher Kultur 😛

[pure crescent]

Das Wort ist eher gebräuchlich auf dem Dorf, wo es auch mehr von diesem Ding gibt. 🥲

[leaden cobalt]

what does "dabei" mean

[long whale]

It has several meanings: https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/deutsch-englisch/dabei

[stable veldt]

i just want to learn german so i can speak to my brother

[kind glacier]

was haben sie am letzt__ sonntag gemacht?

[long whale]

Please don't post the same question in more than one channel. Have you seen my answer in #questions - ?

[upper shoal]

Als ich meinen toten Goldfisch gesehen habe, war ich erstaunt.
Is this sentence grammatically correct?

[long whale]

Yes.

[cinder walrus]

was bedeutet erstaunt? danke

[delicate tiger]

https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/erstaunt

[cinder walrus]

danke!

[outer edge]

hi
Ein Stück kostet 1,90 Euro.
is the 1,90 Euro in akkusative?
should the 1 be readen in acusative?
like: Ein Stück kostet einen euro neunzig
?

[south zenith]

stimmt, wenn nicht einfach 'das kostet eins-neunzig'

[last cosmos]

Can I ask for a correction?

"Hallo, ich war in einer Schwulengruppe und einer Queer-Gruppe, warum?"

Someone asked me privately if I've been in such groups and I said yes, but I don't know if it's right.

I don't know if the "warum" was correct either...

[pure crescent]

if you want to ask them why they asked you, that's correct placement. "..., warum [fragst du]?" with the latter implied — just like how it would be in English.

[brave roost]

warum ist das Dativ? "Vor mir" ? Vor = akkusativ and Dativ

Zum Beispiel du warst vor mir da

[blissful wigeon]

Hi everyone,
i have an exam on monday and i'll type 2 mails (a2 level) is there any advice or source to help me out

[celest scroll]

"vor" kann entweder akk oder dat sein, je nachdem ob da eine "Bewegung" ist.

"du warst vor mir da"
"you were there before me"
impliziert keine bewegung

"die Matratze wurde vor mich auf den Boden gelegt"
die Matratze wird bewegt und vor + akk ist richtig

[long whale]

Please don't ask the same question in more than one channel!

[pearl abyss]

Are these irregular?

[long whale]

No, that's a nominalized adjective. I.e. it's a noun, but it gets declined like an adjective. For more on this see https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/AdjectivalNouns/AdjectivalNouns.html

[terse sail]

Kann ich „wie gesagt“ benutzen, wenn ich e Mail schreibe

And it means “like I said” right?

[long whale]

If you're referring to sth you'd told them in a previous letter/email, I'd go for "Wie ich Ihnen bereits mitgeteilt hatte, ..."

[terse sail]

I’m generally referring to something I said in that e mail

So I can use wie gesagt ja?

And what does sicher ist sicher mean

[long whale]

deepl.com is usually excellent at things like this. "Better safe than sorry"

[terse sail]

Oh thank you I googled it but couldn’t trust the site

[long whale]

Yes. Use deepl.com instead.

[terse sail]

Ok thanks

[terse sail]

Can I say “ich freue mich auf deine Nachricht” while writing e mail?

[warped oriole]

Hallo.

Man sagt:
Ich lüge.
Und wenn man es zu jemanden tut:
Ich lüge dich an. Ich belüge dich.

Bei "schlagen" z.B. ändert sich nichts
Ich schlage.
Ich schlage dich. (Kein anschlagen oder beschlagen)
Bei schlagen und z.B. auch treten gibt es dann andere Bedeutungen (anschlagen, beschlagen, antreten, betreten)

Hat das einen Grund oder ist es einfach so? Wieso ist es bei lügen anders?

[delicate tiger]

ist einfach so

[warped oriole]

Danke 👍

[pure crescent]

Yeah, but Antwort makes more sense than Nachricht. And it sounds joyful — more joyful than "I'm looking forward to your message". You shouldn't use it if the message you're expecting won't make you happy.

[terse sail]

I want use it for the schreiben a2 at the end of the e mail just to make it more natural and longer

We are talking about stuff like sports hobbies etc

[blissful wigeon]

"Sie ist nach Deutschland gekommen. Sie lernt deutsch." i should remake this sentence with "seit".
-> Seit sie ist nach Deutschland gekommen. Sie lernt Deutsch.
is it correct

[long whale]

No. "seit" introduces a subordinate clause -> the [conjugated part of the] verb gets shifted to the end of the clause, followed by a comma, followed by the verb in the main clause. Try again?

[blissful wigeon]

Seit sie nach Deutschland gekommen ist, sie lernt Deutsch.

[long whale]

The 1st part is now correct. As to the 2nd, I said: followed by a comma, followed by the verb in the main clause

The whole [Seit... ist] = Pos. 1

[blissful wigeon]

Seit sie nach Deutschland gekommen ist, lernt sie deutsch

[blissful wigeon]

same with "Er ist verheiratet. Er ist sehr glücklich."
->Seit er verheiratet ist, ist er sehr glücklich.

[long whale]

Very good. 💐

[blissful wigeon]

Yay +10 points in the exam by you! 😇

[formal saffron]

was kann man sagen fur "thanks for the outing"?
danke für das ____?

verobte sagt es gibt kein generelles wort

[long whale]

Then she's probably right. What kind of "outing"?

[charred harbor]

I don’t think “Thanks for the outing” even makes sense in English, to be honest.

(At the very least I wouldn’t understand it as a native speaker)

[formal saffron]

well we went bowling, so theres no one size fits all? I have to say bowling?

[formal saffron]

really?? we use it all the time in za

[jade hawk]

it does

[charred harbor]

Well I was brought up in Australia and I wouldn’t understand it at all. I’ve never heard it, even on the internet.

[charred harbor]

Is it a dialect thing? 🤔

[formal saffron]

it makes sense in the context of saying goodbye after doing something with someone who invited you out

i dont know south african english could be considered a dialect i suppose

[charred harbor]

In that instance I’d pretty much always say/expect “Thanks for hanging out”, I think

[gusty silo]

i do understand it; make of that what you will

[long whale]

Danke für die Einladung. Danke, dass Ihr mich mitgenommen habt.

[gusty silo]

yeah i'd express my thanks for something about the event

[formal saffron]

hmm well hanging out to me sounds like you just went and did whatever and were just there for the company, an outing has some specific activity

[gusty silo]

being invited, the evening, that it was nice being around the others, etc.

[formal saffron]

yeah makes sense oki

[gusty silo]

Danke für die Einladung / Das war ein schöner/toller Abend / Ich fand's schön / War echt nett mit euch, etc.

[charred harbor]

“Danke für die Einladung. Ich hasste es.”

😄

[formal saffron]

thanks

[long whale]

Awwwwkward. Ich fand's scheußlich/schrecklich. ;)

[lyric python]

Why is it not 'werden' guys?

[long whale]

And how would that work with a Partizip 2?

[lyric python]

Upsss

Lol

Cool question-question explaining methode just like socrates

[steel patrol]

Is ein belegtes Brötchen any different from just a sandwich? When I look it up on Google, it says it’s belongs to the Swedish cuisine — but what exactly makes it Swedish? At least in the photos I can’t see anything unusual about it that would make the distinction clear.

[long whale]

das Brötchen is a bread roll, not 2 slices of wonderbread.

[steel patrol]

And when I look up the word “belegt” by itself, it doesn’t give me anything even remotely food-related as a result

[steel patrol]

Ok, is that the whole thing about it?

[long whale]

I guess so.

[steel patrol]

Some of the images show it on all kinds of different bread (not necessarily only bread rolls)

But I’ll take your word for it

[long whale]

das Brötchen = bread roll; das Brot = bread -> ein belegtes Brot -> usually an open sandwich, using a slice of whatever kind of bread (rye, wheat, sourdough, seeds - whatever)

[steel patrol]

Oh so basically that as opposed to eating your sandwich with both halves together? (And with whatever’s in the middle, of course)

Got it, thanks!

[thorn needle]

I think belegt just refers to anything with “Belag” on it - so cheese, ham etc.

A sandwich is also belegt

[steel patrol]

Alright I see, thank you

[long whale]

"belegt" is just Partizip 2. Look: https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/deutsch-englisch/belegen

[steel patrol]

I looked it up on dict.cc and DeepL (the in-built dictionary when you highlight a word). Just downloaded the Pons app as well

[night dagger]

wenn ich einen kleinen Kurs belege, darf ich sagen: „das ist ein belegtes Kürschen.“?

[steel patrol]

Since that’s the one that actually showed what I was after

[night dagger]

Wiki, dwds and dict.cc are what I normally use

[long whale]

Oh, ouch...

[steel patrol]

There’s so many dictionaries!!

And not all have the same contents

[night dagger]

I used to use Duden a lot but idk, those three are what I’ve been primarily using for like 2 years and I’m happy

[steel patrol]

I’ll have to keep Wiki in mind as well, I tend to forget about that resource

[plush pelican]

I have bookmarks of all the useful stuff on my browser, and I often keep the most used sites in their own group, permanently open

[steel patrol]

Sounds like a good idea

I’ve tried to do that numerous times before too but then eventually end up with like 2K tabs and can’t find anything again 😄

[plush pelican]

I only keep the like 5 most important websites open, so that means:

Wiktionary, Dict.CC, DWDS, Reverso Conjugation, DeepL

Everything else, I store in a bookmarks folder, with some subfolders, like "the difference between X and Y" or "useful links" or just "general German"

[plain umbra]

Wiktionary has some great tips in the notes section sometimes.

If you ever notice a word has a seemingly weird usage, things like regional differences, spoken vs written, etc. then wiktionary is a good first place to look.

[maiden peak]

I need a tutor to help me with german where are some good places to find them

I need them to be fluent in english as well its for my beginner university course

i checked fiverr but none seemed good 🥲

[plush pelican]

iTalki?

of course, the good ones will be like 20 Euros an hour or more

[maiden peak]

I dont even need a good one though 💀 its like an elementary course

super simple

hmm hard decision to make thats so expensive 🥲

[plush pelican]

Maximize your time: Use the teacher to discuss grammar concepts, and then use time on your own to practice, so that you don't have to spend a ton of time with them per week

[maiden peak]

ah true

[long whale]

@maiden peak verbling and preply are alternatives to italki - not sure whether the lessons will be cheaper, but those platforms tend to skim off a little less from students and teachers.

[maiden peak]

thats why I was looking for someone (I just need them to look over my answers and help me learn wat im getting wrong) in the server that would be willing to help with 6 small assignments for like $60 its been hard to find though

[maiden peak]

ah ok I will check those out tyty

[plain umbra]

Sorry but we simply don't allow that kind of thing on this server.

[maiden peak]

ah I see

[plain umbra]

We prefer people go to platforms like those mentioned above, italki and so on, because we don't want people to misuse this server for advertising, taking advantage of people, etc.

People will gladly help you here for free though. Just use questions channels any time.

[maiden peak]

sounds good thanks

[blissful wigeon]

-beantworten sie die fragen mit "lassen"-
1.Korrigierst du deinen Text selbst?
->Nein,ich lasse meinen text korrigieren
2.wollt ihr euer Haus selbst bauen?
->Nein, wir wollen unser Haus bauen lassen.

are these correct?

[long whale]

Yes. 💐

[blissful wigeon]

Can sb explain me how should i do it?

Its a "verben mit präpositionen übung"

[wicked nova]

you must fill in prepositions (like zu, gegen, mit) and write articles and endings

[long whale]

Yes. And those are fixed. -> go look up the verbs in a dictionary, e.g. https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/deutsch-englisch/vorbereiten

Alternatively, check >faq Verb prepositions in #botchannel

[blissful wigeon]

"Wir müssen uns auf die reise nach prag vorbereiten"

is it correct for first sentence?

and can you do the 2nd sentence for me i couldn't make it

[long whale]

That's correct, yes.